The State Duma of the Russian Federation proposed to reduce the time for recognizing the dead as missing servicemen

Against the backdrop of the SVO in Ukraine, the State Duma proposed to reduce the time limits that, according to the current legislation, are set for recognizing missing servicemen as dead.

Currently, missing servicemen are officially recognized as dead only two years after the end of hostilities. The authors of the bill propose at the legislative level to recognize the dead military personnel two years after they were given the status of missing, regardless of the timing of the end of hostilities. The deputies of the State Duma are ready to support the initiative of the authors of the bill and even call for reducing the time required for this up to six months.

This is reported News.

The authors of the bill propose to amend Art. 42 and 45 of the Civil Code, which will allow for a shorter time at the official level to recognize a serviceman as missing, and if a person is not found, two years after the recognition of a serviceman as missing, officially recognize him as dead.

As of November this year, the Russian branch of the ICRC's Central Tracing Agency bureau on issues related to hostilities in Ukraine reported that they had received more than 40 appeals and 5 applications from citizens looking for those who disappeared during the armed conflict. However, the Red Cross does not specify how many of them are Russian and how many Ukrainian servicemen.

Comments

[voice of reason]

A person in captivity may be, under a false name, in a hospital in a serious condition in a coma, or he has temporarily lost his memory. Then he would return home and he was written off. The apartment was sold, they were fired from work, etc. Here it is necessary not to recognize the dead, but to decide on the status of the missing. So that a pension is paid for him, if during the SVO from the status of a mobilized or volunteer he got into the missing. And distribute some kind of compensation and other benefits, guarantees and compensations. And then, it turns out to quickly recognize the dead and that's it.

[dmi.pris1]

This is true ... There is an example - in the Ulyanovsk region they cannot recognize a person dead or missing. The tanker burned down, according to eyewitnesses. They can’t conduct a DNA examination (although I think this can be done from the smallest remains). this expertise to the neighboring region.

[hellcos]

Paying for the missing person is also risky, because he may turn out to be a deserter, and the temptation to desert will increase. If this fact turns out - what should relatives who have already received payments do? Return spent money?

[dmi.pris1]

Judge the deserter. And let him return the money spent on the cunning

[Postcode]

What does "written off" mean? What does it mean to "be quick to declare dead"? The relatives of the deceased are entitled to certain payments, social guarantees, etc. Nothing to the missing .... Suppose they introduced compensation and payments to the missing, paid someone, after some time, found the body or witnesses of his death. What's next? Payments to equalize with the dead? and if it turns out that he is a deserter, or a traitor? If a person is without memory, in a coma .... for relatives, for him and the country, he, practically dead, someone will take home and take care of him all his life, but for someone, there will be appropriate hospitals, where after the Second World War until the 70s years, some went to "attacks", to "rams went" ...

[9PA]

Logically said listen, you should go there instead of this shantrop

[fa2998]

Quote: voice of reason

And then, it turns out to quickly recognize the dead and that's it.

The family was given monetary compensation for the deceased. And so the family is in a "suspended" state. They are already fired from work, but it can be decided with an apartment (if they return). There were many cases of "resurrection" in the Second World War, it's okay, on the contrary, joy!

[Aaron Zawi]

It is high time. In our country, the families of the missing receive the same monthly payments as the families of the dead, and if suddenly, which almost never happens, a soldier is found alive, then no one will remember this money. No amount of money can pay for the horror of losing a son or father.

[Osmodey]

If the IWC is not disingenuous, then the figure of 40 thousand is frightening.

[voyaka uh]

Recently there was an article on VO that Ukrainians recognized 33 thousand missing in this war as dead.
This is in addition to 14 thousand previously recognized as dead
(body identified and buried).
That is, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the dead approached 50 thousand, which approximately coincides with the estimates of several intelligence agencies.

[mitroha]

Quote: voyaka uh

That is, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the dead approached 50 thousand people.

Total losses have long exceeded 100 thousand, according to several intelligence agencies.

[Postcode]

I don't understand where the 2 year term comes from? This is so much .... a year, with modern information exchange technologies, is quite enough. None of the parties is interested in concealing the names of the prisoners, for both sides it is an "exchange fund", it is not hidden. Whoever is taken prisoner is not killed there in the first hours ... a day or two, will obviously be kept for exchange, who they want to "not take" prisoner, they do not take, or they do not bother with him for a long time. The IWC and those responsible for the observance of human rights must and are obliged to make every possible contact, to do everything possible to establish the data in captivity. If someone is shell-shocked in their hospital, you can ask for a photo, I think there will be interest from both sides.

[Carib]

Grandfather went missing in October 1941. So it hangs, on all sites without a trace. So the grandmother did not hear a good word during her lifetime. And I watched there 922sp (250SD) stood between the swamps, covering the retreat of the army. Almost everyone died, there was no one to compile and submit information about the death, and they are still listed as missing. So the fellow villagers consider them to have run away, as the goat was hinted at by the military commissar, in 1941. So the hut was burned down in 1941, miraculously the grandmother of the 5-month-old father saved, along with her sister and mother-in-law who was not walking.

[Osmodey]

What a strange story ... Are you an hour not the daughter of an officer? And the rhetoric is similar. It should have been added that everyone was exiled to Siberia. And the question is Grandma didn't receive ration cards?

[Carib]

Quote: Osmodey

What a strange story ... Are you an hour not the daughter of an officer? And the rhetoric is similar. It should have been added that everyone was exiled to Siberia. And the question is Grandma didn't receive ration cards?

I can add.
My uncle gave my grandmother in marriage, my great-grandfather and his family were dispossessed and sent to Siberia, They disappeared and are not found. This was the end of the Kopeikin family of fists in the Vyachesky district of the Nizhny Novgorod (Gorky) region. And my grandmother, after the war, with her little son, my father, went to the field to steal frozen collective farm potatoes from herds (heaps of potatoes covered with earth). And then cakes like pancakes were baked from this, and by that they were interrupted from hunger. Yes, but they didn’t give a lot of money in cash, but forced them to buy bonds, now these pieces of paper are a memory of the famine. And there was a collective farm nearby, and there they didn’t starve at all, but they scoffed like a missing grandfather lives well in Europe, according to the military commissar! I live far away, and it's too late to look for that military commissar.
ps not a daughter, a grandson who served in the GSVG, and who already has his own grandchildren.