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Video of the first interception by Russian Su-27P fighters of the American F-35 of the Italian Air Force over the waters of the Baltic appeared on the Web

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Video of the first interception by Russian Su-27P fighters of the American F-35 of the Italian Air Force over the waters of the Baltic appeared on the Web

Russian fighter jets regularly "intercept" American fifth-generation F-35 aircraft near the Russian borders, this has become a common thing for our pilots. But once it happened for the first time and it was in the sky over the Baltic. The video of that first interception appeared on the Web.


In principle, the interception of an F-27 fighter by two Russian Su-35Ps over the waters of the Baltic was not the first, earlier our aircraft "intercepted" American "stealth" in the sky of Syria, where the F-35 met with the Su-35. The Russian plane managed to get close to the American unnoticed, then a pair of Su-30SMs found the F-35s. In general, the Americans considered that it was not entirely comfortable to test stealth aircraft in Syria and removed them from there.

However, the appearance of fifth-generation American aircraft in service with NATO countries in Europe has led to the fact that they began to appear more and more often near Russian borders. The first case of "interception" occurred in June 2021, when Italian Air Force F-35 fighters were raised to intercept Russian Tu-160 bombers over the Baltic, but were themselves "intercepted" by a pair of Russian Su-27Ps from the duty forces of the Baltic fleet.

According to the Fighterbomber TG channel, this was the first interception of a pair of Su-27Ps from the Guards Fighter Regiment named after A.I. Pokryshkin of F-35 fighters in the sky of the Baltic. In general, in June last year, our fighters flew several times to "intercept" Italian F-35s, having worked out everything they could on them. Moreover, flights were carried out both on the Su-27 and on the Su-35.

Then it became a routine, but they were the first

writes Fighterbomber.

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  1. Fangaro
    Fangaro 18 December 2022 16: 56
    -96
    But do 2 sides to intercept one confirm the superiority of our technology? That's right, that numerical superiority.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 18 December 2022 17: 02
      +17
      Quote from Fangaro
      But do 2 sides to intercept one confirm the superiority of our technology? That's right, that numerical superiority.

      The situation is not calm now, it makes sense to send 2 fighters to intercept.
      1. Sith
        Sith 18 December 2022 19: 26
        +6
        I always thought that a couple were sent to intercept ... On the runway near the air defense ... it seems that several ready-made interceptors are always on duty and there are many pilots for them
      2. Argon
        Argon 18 December 2022 20: 16
        -9
        I was the only one who was surprised by a phone (with an American OS) in the hands of a combat pilot ?!
        1. Hog
          Hog 18 December 2022 22: 25
          +5
          Yes, you alone.
          You probably have in every pocket by phone on domestic hardware and with the same OS?
          1. Argon
            Argon 18 December 2022 22: 53
            0
            And the fact that the State Department uses information from phones is according to your standards? More precisely, if it is allowed to use them in such an area as military aviation
            1. Hog
              Hog 19 December 2022 08: 26
              +2
              Well, the CIA and the FBI are probably following you)))
              1. Argon
                Argon 19 December 2022 09: 43
                -4
                How old are you? Why talk nonsense? More or less smart people are aware of how all this is done, and more knowledgeable people know where these data centers are, where all the information flows and when they turn to it.
                1. Hog
                  Hog 19 December 2022 11: 32
                  +3
                  The main thing is that you watch more RenTV and that's it.
                  PS: Any data processing means work on certain markers, but specifically you are controlled 24/7.
                  PPS: It’s better to ask the flyers how it is with communication at 10km +
                  1. Argon
                    Argon 19 December 2022 16: 17
                    -4
                    Do you want to prove something to me? Or is it so, just to blurt out? Or do you think the system only works online
                    I could put everything on the shelves, but it will be long and at the end of gratitude 0! You, like all ignoramuses, will want to remain with your opinion.
                    1. Hog
                      Hog 19 December 2022 16: 27
                      +2
                      Of course, everyone around is ignorant, you alone are an expert)))
                      1. Argon
                        Argon 19 December 2022 16: 40
                        -4
                        Do you consider yourself "ALL"? Many understand perfectly, and you decided to answer for EVERYONE here. Karoch you are already tired of your tediousness.
                      2. Hog
                        Hog 19 December 2022 16: 46
                        +1
                        You, like all ignoramuses, will want to remain with your opinion.

                        1) For all the ignoramuses)))
                        2) There would be someone to understand, but for now there is only a bolobol with your authoritative opinion, you would better write us a new OS for a smartphone, and then you would prove something)
                        PS: Still, all the chips were developed and produced for him, on domestic equipment, but this is already such a dream.
        2. Arisaka
          Arisaka 19 December 2022 01: 22
          0
          He probably also has the PRONebo program installed there;)
    2. Igar
      Igar 18 December 2022 17: 21
      +21
      There were also 2 boards. At 00:18 second of the video you can see the NATO "Gripen"
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 18 December 2022 18: 03
        +5
        Quote: IGAR
        At 00:18 second of the video you can see the NATO "Gripen"

        At first I thought - Eurofighter, and then carefully reviewed, and really Grippen. A strange hodgepodge, a combat pair on different planes, and most likely not flown, such a tandem is clearly not for combat.
    3. RED_ICE
      RED_ICE 18 December 2022 18: 04
      +20
      Boards always work in pairs. Pan ….
      1. LTCNL
        LTCNL 18 December 2022 18: 08
        +7
        Moreover, those are also a couple. But the pan does not understand this.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 December 2022 18: 29
      +7
      Quote from Fangaro
      But do 2 sides to intercept one confirm the superiority of our technology?

      That's not the point. The main thing is that the vaunted "invisible" 5th generation was discovered and intercepted by fighters of the 4th. And how many of them were sent to intercept - the tenth thing
      1. Denis812
        Denis812 18 December 2022 19: 11
        +1
        I really hope that I'm wrong, but it is quite possible that corner reflectors are specially installed on the F-35. For the aircraft to give out an overestimated EPR. For us to relax.

        And I would rather pay attention to the dashboard of our aircraft. From 15 years ago, only GPS was added and everything seems to be. The rest is all the same analog devices ... But if this is a pure Su-27, then it is understandable. It is not clear where the Baltic Fleet Su-27 comes fromП. And why does he need a P modification? :)
        1. Voronezh
          Voronezh 19 December 2022 09: 39
          0
          Just wondering, where do these reflectors hang them?
          1. Denis812
            Denis812 19 December 2022 16: 13
            0
            Sergey, I have no idea where they hang them
      2. solar
        solar 18 December 2022 23: 08
        +2
        Why discover it? It is in peacetime with the included transponder and corner reflector, so as not to create problems for civil aviation flights.
    5. Ded60
      Ded60 18 December 2022 18: 31
      0
      And where is it said (written) about superiority? Aby blurt out what ....
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    7. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 18 December 2022 19: 21
      -3
      Quote from Fangaro
      But do 2 sides to intercept one confirm the superiority of our technology?

      The superiority of our technology is confirmed not by the fact that there are 2 sides, but by the fact that he cannot get away from any laughing
      1. Vic Vic
        Vic Vic 18 December 2022 20: 47
        +2
        Tasks, so there was no such thing, to leave, and his strengths are not in speed
        1. Solomon Murin
          Solomon Murin 18 December 2022 22: 35
          +4
          Exactly. His strengths are impenetrability! Like a cast iron iron.
    8. svoroponov
      svoroponov 18 December 2022 19: 50
      0
      The interception was carried out by a pair of fighters on duty. It has always been so. So does the other side. Their second fighter, and maybe more than one (they have recently begun to fly in threes), is kept somewhere at a distance of 30-40 km within the borders of a NATO country. And this one jumped out into neutral waters to look.
    9. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 18 December 2022 19: 57
      0
      Quote from Fangaro
      But do 2 sides to intercept one confirm the superiority of our technology? That's right, that numerical superiority.

      So, in my opinion, the interception is always carried out by a pair of fighters, the leader and the slave, and in the article there is not a single mention of the interception of one, except for the title. Even to destroy the target, they send two missiles, to be sure.
    10. Jafar
      Jafar 18 December 2022 21: 05
      -2
      our technology

      Does the country have its own equipment?
    11. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 19 December 2022 02: 31
      0
      At the border, in case of violation, the entire outpost is raised into a gun to intercept even one intruder))) This does not mean that our machine guns are worse, or the grenades are not the same)))
    12. Igor Smirnov
      Igor Smirnov 20 December 2022 00: 50
      +1
      Well, given the rubbish that is in service with the Aerospace Forces, this is still a good ratio: 1 to 2.
  2. poquello
    poquello 18 December 2022 17: 01
    +3
    Nice picture, but where does it go?
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 18 December 2022 18: 45
      0
      One hand steers and takes pictures at the same time! Well done!
      1. stankow
        stankow 18 December 2022 19: 01
        -4
        In general, do military aircraft have an autopilot? Let the experts tell, pls!
      2. dauria
        dauria 18 December 2022 19: 20
        +2
        One hand steers and takes pictures at the same time! Well done!

        Why drive? Once the MiG-23 flew all over Europe without a pilot at all ... Where did the opinion come from that it was like a unicycle on a wire in a circus? laughing
        Well, on the topic - the case simply proves that the Europeans have a lot of F-35s. And soon there will be nothing but them.
        1. svoroponov
          svoroponov 18 December 2022 19: 56
          +3
          These are the destroyers of one of the NATO countries that guard the borders of the Baltic countries under an agreement on the basis of rotation at the moment. The Balts do not have their own fighters. And the fighters may not be the F-35, but the fighters of the country that guards, and this is not only the F-35.
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      2. solar
        solar 18 December 2022 23: 17
        +1
        Excuse me, but is the AN / APG-81 noise-immune afar radar not an advantage?
        AN / AAQ-37 - an electron-optical system (EOS) with a distributed aperture (DAS) - is this not an advantage?
        The built-in powerful AN / ASQ-239 electronic warfare station is not an advantage?
        Helmet-Mounted Display System - a helmet-mounted system of full-spherical vision, indication and target designation - isn't that an advantage?
        1. poquello
          poquello 18 December 2022 23: 38
          -2
          Quote from solar
          Helmet-Mounted Display System - a helmet-mounted system of full-spherical vision, indication and target designation - isn't that an advantage?

          but is there a difference in which helmet he will burn when his tail is fried?
          1. solar
            solar 18 December 2022 23: 59
            +2
            If you throw a hat, then the tail will not light up from this.
            But the fact that the combination of a full spherical vision system and target designation in a helmet with a full spherical OES is a great advantage in close maneuverable air combat over a conventional OLS is an undoubted fact.
            1. poquello
              poquello 19 December 2022 00: 03
              -1
              Quote from solar
              If you throw a hat, then the tail will not light up from this.
              But the fact that the combination of a full spherical vision system and target designation in a helmet with a full spherical OES is a great advantage in close maneuverable air combat over a conventional OLS is an undoubted fact.

              an undoubted fact is the speed and maneuverability of the machine, this iron does not fly, so it was important for him to fly slowly
              1. solar
                solar 19 December 2022 01: 53
                -2
                a new generation of fighter aviation assumes full-spherical visibility and target designation and full-spherical launch missiles with high overload capacity and noise-resistant matrix seeker with the ability to capture a target after launch. All together reduces the impact of aircraft maneuverability on its combat capabilities.
                A modern melee missile is still much more maneuverable than an aircraft, and a helmet-mounted target designation system allows aiming without trying to enter the rear hemisphere of the enemy. Where before it was necessary to "twist" the enemy, now it is enough to turn your head.
                1. Comet
                  Comet 19 December 2022 13: 46
                  0
                  Quote from solar
                  a new generation of fighter aviation assumes full-spherical visibility and target designation and full-spherical launch missiles with high overload capacity and noise-resistant matrix seeker with the ability to capture a target after launch. All together reduces the impact of aircraft maneuverability on its combat capabilities.
                  A modern melee missile is still much more maneuverable than an aircraft, and a helmet-mounted target designation system allows aiming without trying to enter the rear hemisphere of the enemy. Where before it was necessary to "twist" the enemy, now it is enough to turn your head.

                  The probability of hitting the target depends on the initial missile guidance error. The larger the error, the lower the probability. Aircraft maneuvering aims to reduce the initial pointing error when launching one's own missile and to increase the initial pointing error of the enemy's missile. In general, defensive maneuvering aims to increase guidance error. It is possible to launch a missile at an enemy hanging on the tail, but the probability of defeat will be significantly lower than that of an enemy missile launched directly into the tail.
                  1. solar
                    solar 19 December 2022 14: 05
                    -2
                    The probability of hitting the target depends on the initial missile guidance error.

                    this is far from the only factor.
                    Aircraft maneuvering aims to reduce the initial pointing error when launching one's own missile and to increase the initial pointing error of the enemy's missile. In general, defensive maneuvering aims to increase guidance error.

                    these are common words. The maneuvering of an aircraft in order to disrupt the guidance of a missile is the more effective, the smaller the difference between the possibilities of their maneuvering, at a short distance - primarily the ratio of overload capabilities. For an airplane, it is 7-9, and taking into account the human factor, even less. If the rocket has 30-40, then maneuvering will not help you much, especially with a pair launch.
                    1. Comet
                      Comet 19 December 2022 17: 52
                      0
                      Quote from solar
                      The probability of hitting the target depends on the initial missile guidance error.

                      this is far from the only factor.

                      K-13 against AIM-9X is not considered.
                      Quote from solar
                      Aircraft maneuvering aims to reduce the initial pointing error when launching one's own missile and to increase the initial pointing error of the enemy's missile. In general, defensive maneuvering aims to increase guidance error.

                      these are common words. The maneuvering of an aircraft in order to disrupt the guidance of a missile is the more effective, the smaller the difference between the possibilities of their maneuvering, at a short distance - primarily the ratio of overload capabilities. For an airplane, it is 7-9, and taking into account the human factor, even less. If the rocket has 30-40, then maneuvering will not help you much, especially with a pair launch.

                      The larger the initial miss, the more energy the rocket will spend to fetch it, and the less energy the rocket will have to fetch the final miss. The available overload directly depends on the available energy. If the one who shoots "forward" and the one who shoots back missiles on energy and seeker of about the same level, there is almost no chance of a favorable outcome when maneuvering the shooter "back" compared to the shooter "forward".
                      1. solar
                        solar 19 December 2022 18: 18
                        -3
                        If the one who shoots "forward" and the one who shoots back missiles on energy and seeker of about the same level, there is almost no chance of a favorable outcome when maneuvering the shooter "back" compared to the shooter "forward".

                        yeah if.
                        If one conducts a maneuverable battle at a direct visual range, and the second at a range of an all-angle ECO, then the first simply will not have a chance to launch a missile at the enemy.
                        If one has the ability to launch a few seconds after the enemy is detected at a distance of the ECO from any angle, and the second first needs to go to visual range, then take a position in relation to the enemy that allows launch, then the launch may not reach.
                        If a rocket with a large overload capacity is not fired at you from the maximum distance for it, then there is very little chance of evading it by maneuver. And if the launch is paired and the second one follows the first one, and you spent the aircraft’s energy on maneuvers against the first one, then nothing at all.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 19 December 2022 18: 41
                        -1
                        Quote from solar
                        If a rocket with a large reloading capacity is not fired at you from the maximum distance for it, then there is very little chance of escaping it with a maneuver.

                        blah, blah, blah, there were figures who tried to prove that you can’t get away from a modern rocket, practice shows the opposite, and yes
                        Quote: Comet
                        The larger the initial miss, the more energy the rocket will spend to fetch it, and the less energy the rocket will have to fetch the final miss.

                        )))))))) they sit down on the tail all-round, and here you are pushing the speech
                      3. solar
                        solar 20 December 2022 12: 48
                        -2
                        la, blah, blah, there were figures who tried to prove that you can’t get away from a modern rocket

                        depending on what and at what distance
                      4. Comet
                        Comet 19 December 2022 18: 42
                        0
                        Quote from solar
                        If the one who shoots "forward" and the one who shoots back missiles on energy and seeker of about the same level, there is almost no chance of a favorable outcome when maneuvering the shooter "back" compared to the shooter "forward".

                        yeah if.
                        If one conducts a maneuverable battle at a direct visual range, and the second at a range of an all-angle ECO, then the first simply will not have a chance to launch a missile at the enemy.
                        If one has the ability to launch a few seconds after the enemy is detected at a distance of the ECO from any angle, and the second first needs to go to visual range, then take a position in relation to the enemy that allows launch, then the launch may not reach.

                        You started talking about launching the URVV back. In this case, the rocket spends a significant amount of energy on a turn, so both the range of destruction and the available overload for this rocket are less than those launched forward. And it does not depend on sensors.
                        Quote from solar

                        If a rocket with a large reloading capacity is not fired at you from the maximum distance for it, then there is very little chance of escaping it with a maneuver.

                        "G-capacity" depends on the available energy of the rocket. After turning "backward", the rocket loses a very significant part of the energy, and, consequently, loses its "high overload capacity".
                        Not from the maximum range for her? So by this time the rocket will already be launched into the tail. A rocket when turning back consumes a lot of energy and no longer flies far.
                        Su-22 in Syria, on a maneuver with shooting IR traps, sent an AMX-9X to these same traps.
                        Quote from solar

                        And if the launch is paired and the first one is followed by the second one, and you spent the aircraft’s energy on maneuvers against the first one, then nothing at all.

                        Again. The probability of hitting the target depends on the initial miss (K-13 against AIM-9X is not considered). Therefore, the probability of hitting the enemy will be greater for someone who has a smaller initial miss at launch. The initial miss during launch is less for a more maneuverable aircraft.
                      5. solar
                        solar 20 December 2022 12: 45
                        -2
                        You started talking about launching the URVV back. In this case, the rocket spends a significant amount of energy on a turn, so both the range of destruction and the available overload for this rocket are less than those launched forward. And it does not depend on sensors.

                        watch the video of the launches of the Israeli Python 5 - at what stage does it turn on the target
                        You started talking about launching the URVV back.

                        didn't write that
                        Again.

                        You seem to be unaware of the existence of the NSC. Otherwise, they would not have written about the connection between the launch and the maneuverability of the aircraft
                      6. Comet
                        Comet 20 December 2022 15: 45
                        +1
                        [quote = solar] [quote] You started talking about launching the URVV back. In this case, the rocket spends a significant amount of energy on a turn, so both the range of destruction and the available overload for this rocket are less than those launched forward. And it does not depend on sensors. [/ Quote]
                        watch the video of the launches of the Israeli Python 5 - at what stage does it turn on the target
                        [/ Quote]
                        So you judge by video on the Internet? Hmmm... Are you trying to deny physics? Do you deny that the maneuver of the rocket leads to the loss of its energy? Or that the probability of hitting a target depends on the energy available to the rocket?
                        [quote=solar][quote]Once again. [/quote]
                        You seem to be unaware of the existence of the NSC. Otherwise, they would not have written about the connection between the launch and the maneuverability of the aircraft [/ quote] [quote]
                        You seem to know nothing about homing URVV (SAM). The NSC does not reduce the initial pointing error. If both used the NCC, then the one who had a smaller initial pointing error will be more likely to hit the enemy. The initial pointing error depends on the relative position and velocity vectors of the aircraft and is independent of the NCS. Launching on the NSC gives the lowest probability of hitting under the same initial launch conditions due to the lack of data on the range to the target and the speed of approach to the target for the URVV.
    2. Yaro Polk
      Yaro Polk 18 December 2022 17: 09
      +32
      Go watch a Superhero movie on Netflix..calm down..America is the best...Satan bless her..
    3. common man
      common man 18 December 2022 17: 15
      +8
      Quote from: 1razvgod
      just what the superiority I did not understand

      I'm not a flyer myself, but I guess, "Feeling" the enemy on your tail is probably no longer ice. And then, to shoot the interception of the enemy on a cell phone, it's cool.
      Once again, I'm not a pilot, I hope to hear them.
      1. Rustic
        Rustic 18 December 2022 18: 28
        +4
        I'm not a flyer myself, but I guess, "Feeling" the enemy on your tail is probably no longer ice. And then, to shoot the interception of the enemy on a cell phone, it's cool.
        Once again, I'm not a pilot, I hope to hear them.
        Taking selfies is more like bullying. But the fact that by giving the right pedal and pressing the trigger, in a second, the NATO ass will be blown to shreds. Yes, we press the point. It's like you know that they won't kill you, but they put a loaded gun to your forehead.
        1. stankow
          stankow 18 December 2022 19: 05
          +2
          Hardly. Most likely they will wave their hands, shake their wings. Things will not go further than light trolling. Why threaten a Swede, an Italian? In neutral space? Well, they won’t show it on the video, otherwise they will be accused of fraternizing with the enemy wink
        2. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 18 December 2022 19: 38
          +1
          Um .... Why give the right pedal?
          1. Rustic
            Rustic 18 December 2022 20: 18
            +3
            Well, he goes to the left and at the same height. There is not enough space to make a shift and get on a turn, IMHO. And purely on the slide just perfect. Plus, it's easier to get away from a torn ass sharply upwards.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 18 December 2022 18: 33
      0
      Quote from: 1razvgod
      As usual, there are no analogues ... One pilot saw two and vice versa, and everything is already the superiority of our technology, epic, however, I just didn’t understand what the superiority was

      CIPSO, don't be a gag. Where in the article is it written about some kind of "superiority"?
    5. svoroponov
      svoroponov 18 December 2022 20: 04
      0
      The fact is that when our fighter turns on the electronic warfare equipment that is installed on board, the F-35 stops tracking the approach of our board with the help of its onboard equipment. He simply does not see him. Accordingly, he cannot use the missile weapon system through the aircraft radar. It can receive data about the approach of our sides and start working only on commands from the command and control center.
      This is not the first case of such F-35 interceptions by our dryers.
      1. solar
        solar 18 December 2022 23: 28
        0
        when our fighter turns on electronic warfare

        any aircraft with active electronic warfare can be seen from afar, such a feature, they radiate.
        Accordingly, the missile weapon system cannot be used through an aircraft radar.

        AFAR radars have high noise immunity, and this is exactly what is on the F-35.
        And in the case you described, you don’t even need to turn on the radar, for this there is a built-in AN / ASQ-239 electronic warfare station and an AN / AAQ-37 OES with a distributed aperture, as well as AAQ-40 - a high-resolution omnidirectional infrared CCD-TV camera connected to helmet-mounted target designation system, allowing target designation and missile launch even without turning on the radar.
        In short, knocking down by throwing a hat will not work.
        1. svoroponov
          svoroponov 19 December 2022 11: 19
          -1
          You can cite many advertising tales of this type. But the fact remains. Drying approached the F-35 unnoticed. He, the F-35, had interference on the radar at that moment. By the way, after this flight, the pilot was forced to turn to a psychologist. The description of this entire process of interaction was recorded from his words.
          According to him, if it were military operations, he would definitely have been shot down, and he would not even have had time to see who shot him down.
          1. solar
            solar 19 December 2022 13: 29
            -2
            But the fact remains. Drying approached the F-35 unnoticed. He, the F-35, had interference on the radar at that moment.

            Let's link to the video, let's see, terribly curious.
            By the way, after this flight, the pilot was forced to turn to a psychologist.

            What is so weak? Write that he has enuresis. You still can't confirm either.
            1. svoroponov
              svoroponov 21 December 2022 12: 42
              -1
              Why is it weak? Already an appeal to the psychologist of a combat pilot is out of the ordinary. Look for the link on YouTube if you haven't lost it. Well, the site glav.su, somewhere there, you can search. Sorry, but I don’t copy all such links, I don’t need it. This incident was also mentioned on our news sites. If there was only one source, I would not mention, always looking for confirmation from others.
  4. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 18 December 2022 17: 05
    +12
    he is * invisible ".. how could he be intercepted wassat
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 December 2022 17: 22
      +11
      On non-combat missions, stealth planes always take off with special lenses that sharply increase the EPR.
      They are called Luneberg lenses.
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      2. cold wind
        cold wind 18 December 2022 17: 52
        +12
        In the screenshot of the video, these lenses are clearly visible.
        1. poquello
          poquello 18 December 2022 18: 51
          +6
          Quote from cold wind
          In the screenshot of the video, these lenses are clearly visible.

          everything is clear, without lenses, his smartphone and eyes do not see)))))))))))))
      3. svoroponov
        svoroponov 18 December 2022 20: 20
        -1
        These lenses are used only when training with allies. But in this case, this is a combat patrol and there are no such lenses there. In addition, these aircraft are poorly visible only in the decimeter range. Longwave capture them without problems. Therefore, locators
        our modern air defense systems operate not only in the decimeter range, but also in the long wave. In addition, these aircraft on the screens of our latest new over-the-horizon radars glow like Christmas trees.
        The only problem is to tie them into a single control loop with other means of air defense systems, they are still in the anti-space defense loop. But I think they will do this if necessary.
        Well, for example, when the Iranians killed the general of the IRGC, the Americans kept their stealth fighters near the borders of Iran to strike. And when the Iranians launched a missile strike at their base in Iraq, their aviation did not retaliate due to the fact that the Iranian air defense received data from our radars about the location of these aircraft, and ours indirectly made it clear to the Americans.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 December 2022 22: 41
          +3
          You also underestimate the danger of stealth aircraft,
          how, until recently, the danger was underestimated
          drones.
          And this underestimation can have catastrophic strategic consequences.
          Do you think that the Americans, the Israelis are not aware of the existence of all these decimeter and meter radars?
          Very aware and regularly train,
          how to deceive, pass and destroy this so-called "layered air defense".
          Considering that Russia's closest neighbors in NATO are switching to stealth:
          Poland and Finland...
          in general, you will not envy Russian air defense.
          1. Shark Lover
            Shark Lover 19 December 2022 02: 47
            +1
            Do you think that ours do not know how yours train how to deceive our air defense?))) It's like playing poker and bluffing. Believe me, no one underestimates even maize growers, everything is dangerous in the right hands and with the right one, the most important thing is for the intended use.
          2. Sergey_52
            Sergey_52 19 December 2022 09: 54
            0
            Of course, you should not underestimate, just as you should not forget how the F-117A prodigy was shot down in Yugoslavia. And I also want to point out that invisible и subtle it's not the same...
        2. spektr9
          spektr9 19 December 2022 03: 58
          +5
          They use these lenses only when training with allies. But in this case, this is a combat patrol and there are no such lenses there.

          How touching it is to read such "experts", especially when a frame from the video was posted above where these same lenses are clearly visible winked
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 19 December 2022 10: 52
            -1
            I am not an expert but a former military pilot. I live in a country abroad. You are shown a photo just from the exercises, where photojournalists are allowed and everything filmed is then moderated by special services.
            Can you state unequivocally that this is a photo of exactly the interceptor we are talking about? And I had to go on excursions to the base where these interceptors (actually, these are tactical fighters) are deployed. I examined them closely.
            By the way, 2 F-117s were destroyed in Yugoslavia. Just one fell on its territory and ,, lit up ,,. The second is outside, in a country that is part of the Western bloc. They are silent about this. And more. The war in Yugoslavia was fought for a short time, but even so, the Western bloc managed to lose aircraft and helicopters from 106 to 108 units of aircraft (the difference in two disputed ones).
            And further. Well, there are no invisible planes. They become visible just a little closer to the radar and this is in the decimeter range. They are quite visible in the meter range, but there are problems in this range already for guidance. Therefore, ours use two ranges and a long-wave one in order to detect in time and a decimeter one to clarify the parameters of the target and guide missiles. There is also an X-range, but according to he has little data. For this range, there are no stealth problems at all.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 19 December 2022 11: 20
              +1
              I have already expressed my thoughts.
              As they say: "The Ministry of Health warned" hi drinks
              1. svoroponov
                svoroponov 19 December 2022 11: 24
                0
                There are all sorts of considerations, but I brought you a fact. So the Ministry of Health has nothing to do with it.
            2. spektr9
              spektr9 20 December 2022 03: 50
              +1
              Can you state unequivocally that this is a photo of exactly the interceptor we are talking about?

              Are you kidding? Above, in the comments, you posted a screen from the video where the lenses are clearly visible on the "intercept" f-35 ...



              And I had to go on excursions to the base where these interceptors (actually, these are tactical fighters) are deployed. I examined them closely.

              If, as well as the video and the comment thread here, then this is clearly not a reason to be proud wink
        3. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 19 December 2022 12: 01
          +1
          In addition, these aircraft are poorly visible only in the decimeter range. Longwave capture them without problems.

          In addition, these aircraft on the screens of our latest new over-the-horizon radars glow like Christmas trees.

          You are not embarrassed by the contradiction, because over-the-horizon radars are short waves.
          The fact is that when our fighter turns on the electronic warfare equipment that is installed on board, the F-35 stops tracking the approach of our board with the help of its onboard equipment

          And what will the electronic warfare equipment do with EOTS?
          Just some set of myths in the messages.
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 19 December 2022 12: 44
            0
            Over-the-horizon are really short waves. They also see stealth. But no one canceled long waves for the visibility of these boats. Once again - there is a problem with these with guidance (accuracy) and height determination. But let the experts clarify this.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 19 December 2022 12: 51
              +1
              Once again, there is a problem.

              The problem is only incompetent users of the forum.
              1. svoroponov
                svoroponov 21 December 2022 12: 47
                0
                Then it’s not for me, but for those who explain how air defense specialists are what’s what. Read about the problems of locating air targets and watch videos with developer answers on this topic. It will be interesting .
      4. solar
        solar 18 December 2022 23: 30
        +1
        And in areas of intensive civil aviation flights, like the Baltic Sea, with the transponder turned on, so as not to create problems for civilians.
  5. Viktoriya Che
    Viktoriya Che 18 December 2022 17: 05
    -15
    At 27, the navigator is stuck on the instrument room .... there is no MFI at all ... slotted radar ... stop fooling people and making people laugh .... the penguin just flies .... and Grippen escaped capture at the beginning ..
    1. Pasus
      Pasus 18 December 2022 17: 27
      +17
      Even ignoring the technical details, guided by elementary logic, the 27th didn’t just accidentally stumble upon a specific echelon in the 3-coordinate system for a penguin, is it a lady?
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 18 December 2022 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: PASus
        The 27th didn’t just accidentally stumble upon a specific train in the 3-coordinate system on a penguin

        So Grippen flew with him, they could have reached him, and found the efka already on the spot. Yes, and with Luneberg lenses efka, which means - a flight purely for the sake of demonstrating the flag, not combat.
        1. Ded60
          Ded60 18 December 2022 18: 39
          +9
          A routine sortie, a routine interception, the flyers on both sides "took a picture", waved their hands to each other (not at the camera) and scattered, but in the "barrel of guano it boiled", whoever is in what much)))
      2. Viktoriya Che
        Viktoriya Che 18 December 2022 22: 07
        -1
        I don’t know what an echelon is .... probably an echelon ... but for the pluses it will do))
    2. Hexenmeister
      Hexenmeister 18 December 2022 17: 38
      +10
      "Slit Radar" - a new type has been opened !!! There is a slot antenna for the radar, but the Su-27 radar never had this type of antenna. MFI - if it was exactly the Su-27, then there are all the necessary indicators for air combat, they are hidden by the "contrast" of the image. And in this situation, the American was hanging in the grip through the OEPS.
      1. Dmitry Tsarevich
        Dmitry Tsarevich 18 December 2022 18: 38
        -8
        Today there is a hellish influx of panheads, apparently they were given light everywhere, suspiciously quickly.
      2. Viktoriya Che
        Viktoriya Che 18 December 2022 22: 02
        +1
        There is nothing there .... analog devices are alone .... earn more pluses, but this will not affect the technical equipment in any way ... about the radar, maybe tell the local audience what the PFAR costs there ??)))
        1. Hexenmeister
          Hexenmeister 18 December 2022 22: 34
          0
          Apparently, your audience does not know at all what type of antenna the Su-27 radar has, but pretend to be experts. And about analog devices - it seems that you generally have little idea of ​​​​the cockpit of the Su-27, especially in terms of SUV controls.
    3. kit88
      kit88 18 December 2022 17: 52
      +13
      No MFIs are needed to launch the R-73. Or do you think the MFI is ours and without it the plane is not an airplane? The entire figure is on the HUD, the entire analogue is on the dashboard, there is a connection. Pointed at the target from the ground - and work.
      yes
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 18 December 2022 18: 12
        +2
        It's just interesting, but the R-73 will work at such a distance. Or will it just be kinetic? And so it is noticeable, approaches the enemy sideways. What if something immediately planted in the ass from the console. I wonder if this is already a habit?
        1. kit88
          kit88 18 December 2022 19: 48
          +7
          We open the RLE - we read:
          ZPS - 0,6 km
          PPS - 1,5 km
      2. Viktoriya Che
        Viktoriya Che 18 December 2022 22: 11
        0
        That's right .... that's why they fly with a sticky navigator ..)) in order to let something go, you first need to see something and 27 will not see 35 first, well, if only on the pages of VO)) throw cons ...
        1. kit88
          kit88 18 December 2022 22: 30
          +11
          Dear, Su-27P just don’t fly by themselves, and they don’t look for anyone.
          This is an air defense interceptor.
          The RTV detected the target, passed it on command to the command post, they decided to raise the Duty Forces into the air. From the ground command post, it is aimed at the target. It can fly at all with the radiation turned off up to a certain point.

          What kind of "navigator" is there in place of the IPV, to be honest, it's not clear. Maybe like a cell phone in a pilot's pocket - "Better to have it and not need it Than to have it and not need it"

          Why "cons". It’s easier to explain how everything happens, you look and a person will understand what’s what. If he wants.
          And in a spherical vacuum, hunting planes from remote sensing do not fly ....
        2. svoroponov
          svoroponov 19 December 2022 11: 32
          -1
          Are you sure that it is the Su-27 and not the board of this family such as the Su-30 or Su-35. Our old boards with weak capabilities will not be kept near the borders with a real enemy. There stands something, armed no worse than what is being opposed. These are bloggers or civilian correspondents, not understanding the intricacies of the types, they can name the Su-27 type aircraft in their articles by appearance. But it may be a more modern type of Su, just similar in appearance. And once again - there are various speculations that come from the brochures of technology, but there are real facts that may not be so optimistic for it.
  6. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 18 December 2022 17: 07
    0
    it was necessary to land this zhirobass somewhere on the territory of Russia ... specialists to dig deeper into his electronic womb)
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 18 December 2022 18: 12
      -3
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      it was necessary to land this zhirobas

      How exactly? To attack? And if pros...would lose? It's one thing to swagger next to the indifferently dissecting 35th, and another thing to attack. There is no flu in the frame, but there are both dryers, which means he covers the efka from behind, practically on the tail of the dryers, so the pilot of the efka does not twitch, he is confident in himself.
      1. svoroponov
        svoroponov 19 December 2022 11: 40
        -1
        If the Italians are on duty on the F-35, then there are no Grippens nearby at all. This is an interception and an on-duty unit or a troika from the contingent of those who are currently guarding the NATO border in the Baltic region flies up to it. Do Italians have Grippens?
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 19 December 2022 15: 50
          0
          Quote: svoroponov
          there are no Grippens there at all

          How about watching the video carefully? laughing
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 21 December 2022 12: 31
            -1
            You can review it, but this is a Swedish Grippen, not an Italian interceptor. They, after the incident, raise their planes from the other side of the Baltic, insure, well, I really want to join NATO. But if something does not get involved yet. Therefore, it can be argued that it is not there.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 21 December 2022 15: 11
              0
              Quote: svoroponov
              You can review it, but this is a Swedish Grippen, not an Italian interceptor. They, after the incident, raise their planes from the other side of the Baltic, insure, well, I really want to join NATO. But if something does not get involved yet. Therefore, it can be argued that it is not there.

              This is what my grandmother said in two. As for me, they have joint patrols, with all the consequences.
              1. svoroponov
                svoroponov 21 December 2022 15: 35
                -1
                Without any consequences. Yes, and they fly there, the Swedes, constantly, on their own. And they have their own interceptors and are on duty with units. Yes, and their aviation is training there. Is our board there or not. They, like the NATO members, now fly along routes over neutral waters every day. So every year.
    2. poquello
      poquello 18 December 2022 19: 01
      -1
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      it was necessary to land this zhirobass somewhere on the territory of Russia ... specialists to dig deeper into his electronic womb)

      too early, very surprised
      1. svoroponov
        svoroponov 21 December 2022 15: 49
        0
        And why is it needed if its data is known. Here are the missile weapons to see and test according to the declared range and maneuverability. Now, realizing that they lose in close combat in terms of the maneuverability of aircraft, they rely on equipment and electronics in terms of range. Be the first to detect and launch missiles. It is the heads of these missiles that are interesting. Someone will say the radar too. He has an active phased array. But firstly, detection and launches are carried out mainly before active maneuvering, and let our aircraft have a sector of 120 degrees. But at a distance of 150 -200 kilometers, imagine the detection zone along the front. Consider that we have almost the same radar array as the enemy.
        And the latest data generally show that the range of the beginning of detection by the enemy of our side is already consistent with the possibility of launching our missile against this enemy.
        1. poquello
          poquello 21 December 2022 20: 21
          0
          Quote: svoroponov
          And why is it needed if its data is known.

          for demonstration
  7. Avsch
    Avsch 18 December 2022 17: 07
    +5
    Krutyak. It's epic on mobile. So, a couple of photos for yourself))
    1. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 18 December 2022 17: 46
      +5
      You can show your children and grandchildren!
      good laughing
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 18 December 2022 18: 16
      -8
      Quote: Avsch
      It's epic on mobile.

      Rather, on the contrary, as if not a combat pilot, but a provincial who first saw a Ferrari in the capital. Somehow it's not solid.
  8. AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship 18 December 2022 17: 09
    0
    Question - to connoisseurs. The fighter inside has three pieces of panoramic mirrors stuck. Is this a self-propelled gun, or is this how the factory produces it? In 96 I had exactly such a mirror in the Oka. My friend joked that even his own body can be seen through him....
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 18 December 2022 17: 44
      +5
      Imagine ... Not like on your "stool", but our grandfathers on the fighters of the Great Patriotic War had a rear-view mirror ... True, not panoramic .. So study the materiel. hi
    2. Dost
      Dost 18 December 2022 18: 01
      +7
      Yes. They come from the factory. 70 years so. Helps keep the rear hemisphere under supervision. Especially in pair flight.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 18 December 2022 18: 30
      -1
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Is this a self-propelled gun, or is this how the factory produces it?

      So many older planes that have a middle braid have better control of the rear hemisphere. Today, it is being replaced everywhere by the "transparent cabin" technology.

      For example, F-4
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 18 December 2022 17: 14
    -14
    As intercepted, he INVISIBLEhow it was spotted, or visually accidentally noticed request
    Such fly, look, penguin! Fuck yourself, flew to intercept!
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 18 December 2022 17: 47
      +2
      He forgot to put on an invisibility hat .. yes belay So he did not become "invisible"
    2. Sergey_52
      Sergey_52 19 December 2022 09: 59
      0
      He not INVISIBLE, he HIGHLY OBSERVED. It's not the same...
  10. KERMET
    KERMET 18 December 2022 17: 14
    +8
    Unobtrusive telegram channel advertising bully
    The pilot is purely like a taxi driver - he controls with one hand, uses a smartphone with the other laughing
    1. HAM
      HAM 18 December 2022 17: 35
      +3
      And where only the traffic police are looking! This is a flight for 3000 rubles laughing her!
    2. hector
      hector 18 December 2022 19: 12
      0
      Quote: KERMET
      Unobtrusive telegram channel advertising bully
      The pilot is purely like a taxi driver - he controls with one hand, uses a smartphone with the other laughing

      Well, right away, Yutubchik also went to Tik-Tok. Bloggers are almost everything now.
  11. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 18 December 2022 17: 15
    0
    the pilot controls Drying with two fingers ....)
  12. maxim1987
    maxim1987 18 December 2022 17: 34
    0
    Yes. we have great guys in the army! I wish there were more pros in the General Staff and fewer unscrupulous "SUVs" and generally good
  13. Fangaro
    Fangaro 18 December 2022 17: 39
    +2
    Why did they throw so many minuses?
    He asked only what he did not understand.
    He also added that 2 to 1 is correct.
    At least don’t stick your head out at VO to a non-professional. (
    1. Cheshire
      Cheshire 18 December 2022 17: 59
      +5
      Don’t worry, it’s like hello here, first they minus, then they think. Get used to it hi.
  14. Father of papa carlo
    Father of papa carlo 18 December 2022 17: 40
    +5
    Vasya Tsymbal would not have taken pictures on his phone, but he definitely dumped fuel on him so that he would not fly in this area again! laughing
  15. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 18 December 2022 17: 41
    +3
    And a smartphone on a sortie is not a flight? Or maybe I'm not aware of the new rules?
    1. cold wind
      cold wind 18 December 2022 17: 53
      +7
      Does the civilian navigator on the panel bother you? Both devices are the norm on our planes and they no longer fly without them.
      1. Cap.nemo58rus
        Cap.nemo58rus 18 December 2022 18: 08
        0
        I just asked. I'll be aware. But in the context of the "secrecy mode" the smartphone is still embarrassing. Especially in the media.
  16. evgen1221
    evgen1221 18 December 2022 17: 59
    +4
    No wonder, firstly, transponders are included; secondly, there are already a lot of them and they no longer keep secret every flight. And if they attack, then one fig from a long distance first and with a massive salvo, which will immediately lead to the glazing of Europe.
  17. break_beats
    break_beats 18 December 2022 18: 11
    -8
    In fact, this video demonstrates that all these songs about the super stealth of the F-35 are just a myth.

    At this stage, Russia is the only country in the world that has mastered 5th generation technologies good
  18. GO-TO-GO-TO-GO
    GO-TO-GO-TO-GO 18 December 2022 18: 35
    -3
    ...... with one little finger we control such a technique. White envy. Behind the wheel of a car more than 100 km / h, you still hold on to the steering wheel with both hands - no matter what happens. White envy. Praise to the designers, to the people who built such equipment, and separately to the pilots. Well done!!!
  19. starpur
    starpur 18 December 2022 18: 50
    +3
    I'm not a pilot after all, to approach the "Grippen" 0,15 - 0,25 With a set and a coup ... Swede is dead, even without RVV, you can do with a gun. And by and large - the usual work.
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  21. Mint Gingerbread
    Mint Gingerbread 18 December 2022 20: 05
    0
    Too bad you can't fly in the air. There was a plane, no plane. And drive away for inspection laughing
  22. Sergey Muravyov
    Sergey Muravyov 18 December 2022 20: 31
    0
    It would be nice to send for interception with missiles equipped with some kind of paint like green paint, or smelly shit, in order to definitely fix that the interception took place (just kidding)
    1. George Miloslavsky
      George Miloslavsky 19 December 2022 12: 12
      0
      What for? They have fuel))) There were cases in history when they were marked like that, and if I'm not mistaken, then in the same region.
  23. George Miloslavsky
    George Miloslavsky 19 December 2022 12: 11
    0
    He still manages to shoot on the phone and with a stack of rapprochement))
  24. iouris
    iouris 19 December 2022 13: 36
    +1
    The Baltic Sea is the "sea of ​​peace". It shoots through everything.
    What happened there is unclear. But on the other hand, when escorting a fighter of a potential partner, the latter must do everything possible so that the means of objective control do not show that the plane was conditionally shot down. Therefore reshalach some other task.
    Objectively, NATO (including Sweden and Finland) has a strong superiority in the region.
  25. Fangaro
    Fangaro 19 December 2022 21: 26
    -1
    Quote from Jafar
    our technology

    Does the country have its own equipment?


    Jafar! I was born in Russia, and as long as I come in handy here.