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The New York Times: Putin's meeting with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense confirms Russia's intention to go on the offensive in Ukraine

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The New York Times: Putin's meeting with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense confirms Russia's intention to go on the offensive in Ukraine

The Russian army is clearly preparing for an offensive, as evidenced by recent events, including a visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to the joint headquarters of the military branches participating in the NVO, according to The New York Times.


The Russian president visited the joint headquarters, where he heard reports from the military leadership, and also held a meeting with the participation of Defense Minister Shoigu, Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov and Commander of the NMD Surovikin. According to the American publication, Putin intends to take the situation under personal control and take more part in planning military operations. In general, as the newspaper suggests, the Russian leadership is clearly planning an offensive in Ukraine.

In the fall, Vladimir Putin focused on resolving economic issues in the country. The meeting on Friday showed that the president has switched to foreign policy (...) This move may be another confirmation of the imminent Russian offensive in Ukraine

- writes the edition.

Now fuel was added to the fire by yesterday's visit to the special operation zone by the head of the military department, Sergei Shoigu, who visited the front lines and held a meeting with the commanders of the main operational areas. Ukrainian resources are already saying that all this is not without reason, Moscow is clearly up to something and an offensive will begin somewhere in the near future. Just where is not yet clear. And then there's the upcoming meeting between Putin and Lukashenko, where the presidents of the two countries can discuss a "new offensive" against Kyiv from Belarus, and the maneuvers of the Belarusian army with Russian troops near the borders with Ukraine.
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  1. codetalker
    codetalker 18 December 2022 11: 11
    +4
    It seems that it is obvious to everyone that this offensive will take place. It is not known only when, in what parameters. It will be interesting if it goes in the same directions as in February.
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 18 December 2022 11: 16
      +22
      Lie! It's not Putin who wants to attack, everyone wants to attack and end this butting with the West while they have a crisis in full swing!
      1. Luka Nord
        Luka Nord 18 December 2022 11: 46
        +9
        Quote: seregatara1969
        Lie! It's not Putin who wants to attack, everyone wants to attack and end this butting with the West while they have a crisis in full swing!

        GDP waited and did the right thing ..! Soon the X hour will come. Ukroreich is exhausted and the West is already too (50 lard invested and everything was wasted)
        So the most interesting thing is ahead, the mobilized main part has not even been involved yet, and horror has been thrashed by Svidomo ..
        PS And the crisis in the West began precisely because of the sanctions and the overlap of free resources from Russia, etc. To spite frostbite ears is called
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 18 December 2022 12: 45
          0
          Quote from Luka Nord
          GDP waited and did the right thing ..!

          What is the correctness? First, it’s right that they flooded with uncovered columns from all sides. We lost a bunch of people and equipment, then it’s right that they suddenly abandoned everything and retreated, retreated is putting it mildly. Then, in general, something not probable was October-November, they drove us so that they abandoned a bunch of equipment and dumped us over the Dnieper. Now the Ukrainians are forming entire units on the BMP-3, T-72B3. (There is a lot of evidence for this on the Military Chronicle) They called up a bunch of people and took them into battle without preparation (not all of them, but enough evidence for that), again losses.
          So what is correct?
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 18 December 2022 12: 59
            -9
            Well, what are you waiting for an answer? Aha shazzzz, they will explain only with minuses.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 18 December 2022 16: 34
              +3
              Quote: YOUR
              Quote: YOUR
              What is the correctness? ... So what's the right thing to do?
              So what are you waiting for an answer? Yep szzzzz...
              "Quietly with yourself ..." or "Conversation of the disappointed with his soul."
          2. Fortress
            Fortress 18 December 2022 13: 03
            +3
            And the correctness lies in the fact that a new remedy has appeared in pharmacies for all-weeders called: "NIPERDIN". I recommend it to all fucking smart and disgruntled guardians. Stalin, creatures, you are not. Unfortunately.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 18 December 2022 13: 04
              0
              Smart very smart answer. Just do not understand what is correct? Or is there no thought on this topic?
            2. Luka Nord
              Luka Nord 18 December 2022 13: 59
              +1
              Quote: Fortress
              And the correctness lies in the fact that a new remedy has appeared in pharmacies for all-weeders called: "NIPERDIN". I recommend it to all fucking smart and disgruntled guardians. Stalin, creatures, you are not. Unfortunately.

              Well done Eugene! Great answer .. And these all provoke katsy))
              1. 28st region
                28st region 18 December 2022 15: 10
                +2
                Quote from Luka Nord
                Well done Eugene! Great answer .. And these all provoke katsy))

                Yes, God bless him with a cool answer, you better explain what is correct
                1. Shark Lover
                  Shark Lover 19 December 2022 02: 19
                  -2
                  Right or wrong, what are you talking about? Is it right to fart in a crowd? For others, this is wrong, for the body, right)). Politics is the art of the possible. Any management, at least with something (including a car), is also the art of the possible. At the first stage, it was possible to finish quickly, but it didn’t work out, for what reasons we don’t understand and don’t know, only guesses and gossip came out. Already ticking near Kharkov, why? There are not enough troops for such a war, it was not possible to avoid it. They left, saved the backbone, the Army. We mobilized, got together, changed the management structure, let's see what happened next. Tell you how the USSR introduced troops into the DRA? What was going on there. This is the USSR, do not compare that Army, that motivation. Read on the internet, the special forces battalion was disheveled, this is 85, or 86, the troops have been fighting for 6 years. War is chaos, you will never be ready for everything. I’m not in defense of the political leadership, it’s just that these vysers are to blame, everything has already gotten bad (this is not for you, the appraiser is shedding tears above, right or wrong) In the State (not in the country) huckster, how does something else turn out.
                  1. 28st region
                    28st region 19 December 2022 08: 02
                    +2
                    How many words, to understand more what it's all about
                    1. Shark Lover
                      Shark Lover 19 December 2022 08: 13
                      0
                      Yes, God bless him with a cool answer, you better explain what is correct

                      And what is wrong. Few words, lots of information
              2. 28st region
                28st region 18 December 2022 15: 11
                +1
                This is also interesting to me, very much.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 18 December 2022 15: 13
                  +1
                  What will he tell you. And that's right, and that's it
            3. Petr_Koldunov
              Petr_Koldunov 18 December 2022 16: 11
              +4
              Quote: Fortress
              Stalin, creatures, you are not. Unfortunately.

              If there was Stalin now, then in the first place, those who surrendered Kherson would not like it. For leaving a whole, undestroyed city, without a fight, in a rather advantageous position, with a huge grouping of troops, without an overwhelming advantage of the enemy ...
              I assure you - EVERYONE who somehow participated in the adoption and implementation of this decision would have been shot!
              1. Oleg Ogorod
                Oleg Ogorod 18 December 2022 19: 20
                0
                For starters, Stalin would have shot a large group of comrades of the military-industrial complex. Who for a long, long time made, made modern weapons, sated, sated the army with them, but could not do anything with the Himers, who were thrashing the bridge in Kherson. And then when only 300 thousand were mobilized, they did not find anything to equip them with.
                But now you can't touch your comrades. One can only scold, maybe now for a lot of money they will give something to the mountain in the army.
                How could Kherson be held if they could not defend the bridge? There was nothing to protect him from shelling, there was nothing to destroy the Himers.
                The U points went to waste, hoping for expensive Iskanders. But the iskander could not do anything with a simple MLRS that shoots at 60-80 km.
                Where are the packs of tigers and wolves now? Everyone stayed under Kuiv?
                You look at the reports from your own, this is how they move around in old civilian UAZs (the military stopped buying after the head of the armored forces tore off the handle on the door of the UAZ in front of Putin). Or on imported jeeps confiscated.
              2. haron
                haron 18 December 2022 22: 39
                -1
                Quote: Peter_Koldunov
                If there was Stalin now, then in the first place, those who surrendered Kherson would not like it. For leaving a whole, undestroyed city, without a fight, with a fairly advantageous position, with a huge grouping of troops,

                in the Second World War Kherson passed in 4 days. More precisely, as "surrendered". Once encircled near Nikolaev, 51 divisions fought their way to their own. During the run through Kherson, one regiment was lost, but the commander of the regiment and the commissar got out. For the loss of the regiment they were shot. For the loss of personnel and not for the surrender of the city. Not a divisional commander, not an army commander ... no one was shot for surrendering TWO large cities.
                I hope you understand Stalin's hint? For the loss of people, not territory. Although not infrequently, one and the other happened together on a much larger scale. But people were valued more than clay.
              3. DrMadfisher_2
                DrMadfisher_2 23 December 2022 05: 44
                0
                Who are you to assure us? Analyst? Vanga?
          3. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 18 December 2022 13: 16
            +1
            Evaluate with the same approach the "correct actions" of the troops of the Kyiv regime?
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 18 December 2022 13: 20
              +1
              The question is not for me. I don’t rate anything at all, this is for LukaNord, he gives grades.
            2. YOUR
              YOUR 18 December 2022 13: 23
              +1
              Although I will answer. All this had to be done back in 2014, when in the same Kharkov there were demonstrations with Russian flags and demanded to join Russia, in 2015 it was still possible to do it, in 2016 the losses were already more difficult but not like now. But they chose 22 correctly.
              1. GUKTU76
                GUKTU76 18 December 2022 14: 15
                +1
                You can't even understand why your advice is amateur advice. Even today, when so much effort, time and money have been spent on preparing the country for action against NATO, we have enough problems. And what would it be like to start a NWO without agreements with China and India, building mutually beneficial relations with dozens of countries, establishing trade in products that are critical for our economy ...
                There are always enough people who want to wave a saber. And it is very good that these many do not make fateful decisions. Otherwise, disaster would not have been avoided.
                Your wishes are understandable. Only desires should always correspond to your capabilities. And nothing else.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 18 December 2022 14: 29
                  +4
                  When did they take Crimea under their own hands with whom did they negotiate? Explain not an amateur you are ours.
                  1. GUKTU76
                    GUKTU76 19 December 2022 14: 59
                    0
                    What can you talk about if you do not see the difference between Crimea and Donbass? A brilliant illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect. If you are not a Ukrainian, then I recommend watching the documentary film "Crimea. The Way Home". Suddenly you will see the difference. If the Ukrainian-it is unlikely to help.
                    1. YOUR
                      YOUR 19 December 2022 15: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: GUKTU76
                      What can you talk about if you do not see the difference between Crimea and Donbass? A brilliant illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect..............................

                      Those. you can't explain.
                  2. sniperino
                    sniperino 20 December 2022 17: 07
                    0
                    Quote: YOUR
                    When did they take Crimea under their own hands with whom did they negotiate?
                    First, with the legitimate authority of the AR, then with all Crimeans. And with whom was it necessary?
              2. BastaKarapuzik And
                BastaKarapuzik And 18 December 2022 21: 04
                -1
                There is also Father Lukashenka. What would it be like to start something like this without securing, at least a restrained, principled consent from him? A coup attempt in Belarus would be successful, as well as in Kazakhstan. Crimea? Building a BRIDGE, an energy bridge? Since the 14th year, THREE new-built frigates, six submarines, many RTOs, and so on have come to the Black Sea. We heard and saw Caliber, Daggers, Vanguard, S-500 and so on in the case! How many Calibers were available for the 14th year? Obviously less, perhaps an order of magnitude. And Syria? You probably know that the delivery of supplies there was not at all so easy? What efforts have been made? Turkey would have closed the Bosphorus in the 14th year, and? Plus an attempt to complete the construction of these gas pipelines.
                It was hoped that this would be successful. As well as hoped for the fundamental possibility of fulfilling Minsk. As they say, a bad peace is better than a good quarrel.
                1. 28st region
                  28st region 19 December 2022 08: 15
                  0
                  Suppose, since 2014, 3 Varshavyanka submarines have come to the Black Sea Fleet, and not as you assert with pathos 6 (six). I won’t even look at the rest by the years, only boats, whatever you call a frigate, a corvette, all the same in the USSR, these were boats. Which were commanded by senior warrant officers or maximum lieutenant commanders. What is the S-500 and when was it put into service? Does the RF Ministry of Defense even know about this?
                  Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                  Turkey would close the Bosphorus in the 14th year,

                  No matter how happy they did it and why they didn’t close it after Crimea was raked under them ..
                  It turns out strange that in order for Crimea to take everything you have listed, wow, what knowledge, it was not necessary, but in order to take the Kharkiv region tighter, where the people voted and took to the streets, you need the mythical S-500. By the way, why, if he has himself, did he not show himself in NWO?
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 23 December 2022 08: 57
                    0
                    Frigates and corvettes are not classified as boats. You would look at the displacement of frigates and corvettes. And it was 6 submarines that the Black Sea Fleet has received since 2014.
              3. Shark Lover
                Shark Lover 19 December 2022 02: 28
                0
                Are you sure about this? In another way, I’ll ask you, you have all the information at that time, the readiness of the Army, industry, economy, if then all the sanctions were introduced, as now, what would be the consequences? What would the NATO countries do at that time (still fattening, there were no increases in gas and oil prices yet) In hindsight, I’ll say this, I should have rushed to Belovezhskaya Pushcha in 91 and shot all this pack in bulk, there was an opportunity, just one geek. But, we live now and do what we can now.
            3. Jean Baptiste
              Jean Baptiste 18 December 2022 14: 47
              -2
              It is worth evaluating the actions not of the Kyiv regime (puppet), but of the West, led by the United States. And from this side, it is obvious that the Kyiv regime at the beginning showed its resilience, which allowed the United States, in the geopolitical trap they created, in addition to the task of cutting Russia off from Europe, to solve the problem of critical undermining of combat capability our country, to drag it into a devastating war where Russia does not have the opportunity to improve its geopolitical position and does not destroy the enemy’s combat potential only by stimulating the development of its defense industry. Well, there’s no need to talk about reputational losses at all, they still believe in us only in Africa.
          4. runway-1
            runway-1 18 December 2022 15: 23
            +2
            Didn't it seem to you that "LukaNord (Z)" is "Meehan/Gonzales" etc.?! The flow of "thoughts" is very similar ... lol
          5. fa2998
            fa2998 18 December 2022 16: 34
            +1
            Quote: YOUR
            First, it’s right that they flooded with uncovered columns from all sides. We lost a bunch of people and equipment, then it’s right that they suddenly abandoned everything and

            There is such an expression - "poper on a show off .." They thought everyone would be scared, confused and give up.
            But of course, going "on show" to a 40 million country is somehow not very good. I think there was an underestimation of the enemy's forces, and an overestimation of our own forces. We thought we would throw hats into the Japanese and Finnish wars.
            Now they decided to fight "according to the rules" - mobilization, training of reserves. And they are already calling it a "people's war." recourse request hi
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 19 December 2022 02: 21
              +1
              Quote: fa2998
              There is such an expression - "poper on a show off .." They thought everyone would be scared, confused and give up.
              But of course, going "on show" to 40 million countries is somehow not very good.

              Already been in Chechnya. They thought they would now enter Grozny and immediately bring Dudu by the mustache.
    2. maiman61
      maiman61 18 December 2022 11: 50
      +8
      War is science! The winner is the one who acts outside the box. I think it will be very interesting how the offensive will develop, and for our sworn "partners", it will be a shock! Otherwise, there is no point in attacking.
      1. GUKTU76
        GUKTU76 18 December 2022 14: 19
        0
        You can win with standard methods. It is known that success is when everything is done correctly. And failure is when almost everything is done correctly. The difference is small, but the result is dramatically different.
    3. Argon
      Argon 18 December 2022 11: 52
      -4
      The funniest thing here is that, just like in February, "they" know everything and will prepare again. Ours seems to have taken into account the "trap" tactics, but they will use a new one. That's exactly what this question is.
  2. ratoborets
    ratoborets 18 December 2022 11: 15
    +2
    where the presidents of the two countries can discuss a "new attack" on Kyiv from Belarus

    I hope that this will not happen. An offensive and an attempt to take a city of 3 million (the population before the start of the NMD) will require and tie up a huge number of Russian soldiers even without the transfer of additional forces from other directions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    How it will be - we'll see, it's too early to guess.

    I would like to:
    Offensive along the Dnieper with the complete cutting off of the Left Bank grouping. How many forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be cut off on the Left Bank (Donbass, Kharkiv, Pavlograd, Lozovaya, other places of deployment in Chernihiv and Sumy regions) is irrelevant. We advance on Zaporozhye and simply destroy all the bridges, then Dnepropetrovsk, Dneprodzerzhinsk, etc.
    How to destroy? A few months ago, I was already downvoted for such proposals. How best to destroy is a task for the General Staff of the Russian Federation, they must think about it and make a decision. With calibers, daggers, air strikes and bombardments, when approaching the city at a distance of a shot from rocket artillery, sabotage, the use of unmanned boats or submarines, etc. The bottom line is that the bridges must be destroyed, the left-bank grouping cut off (which is 100-120 thousand in the Donbass, 30 thousand near Kharkov, 40 thousand near Zaporozhye, and a couple of dozen thousand more in the rest of the Left Bank).
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 18 December 2022 11: 28
      +2
      You can recall the year 1812. The army of Admiral Chichagov went from Bessarabia to Bobruisk. And they went through Volyn. It is possible to probably act in the opposite direction. But there are a lot of risks, and you will have to go through hostile areas. three blows. From the north - from Belarus to Chernihiv, from the south from the Kherson region and from the Donbass
      1. Nikolay310
        Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 24
        -3
        don’t remind me, in 1812, what kind of orbital grouping of reconnaissance satellites did NATO have ??? By the way, why Chichagov? let's repeat the campaigns of Tamerlane and Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great there ...
        1. iouris
          iouris 18 December 2022 12: 38
          +5
          Quote: Nikolay310
          let's repeat the campaigns of Tamerlane and Genghis Khan

          According to the esthete named Zaluzhny, the enemy has the face of "the general of the era of Peter the Great." So, he is waiting for an attack on Poltava.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 18 December 2022 13: 08
            +1
            Quote: iouris
            According to an esthete named Zaluzhny

            Which day I can’t understand how Derzhimorda became the “general of the era of Peter”?
            I understand that Americans don't care. But our journalists studied at school ...
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 18 December 2022 13: 51
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              But our journalists studied at school ...

              Well, then these are the journalists who passed the exam. )))
      2. Fisherman
        Fisherman 18 December 2022 12: 29
        +8
        what difference does it make now through which areas to go in ukraine? It is necessary to cut it off from Poland and shoot at anyone who tries to get in the way or give a tip, and even who holds a blue-yellow "flag". Stop playing liberalism, the enemy must be beaten and so that the population dissatisfied with us can quickly "suitcase-auto-Warsaw" ... only very quickly. Guerrillaism is not terrible for us - just do not relax and destroy everyone who even tries to saw down a pole near the road, who has caches - immediately into consumption - no one will count supposedly "peaceful victims" there. History is written by the winner. In order to win, it is necessary to deprive the ukroreich of the supply of shells and equipment from the west, fuel and lubricants and ammunition, and then he will live for a maximum of a month and a half.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 December 2022 13: 11
          0
          Quote: Fisherman
          To win, it is necessary to deprive the ukroreich of the supply of shells and equipment, fuel and ammunition from the west,

          To do this, you need to solve the logistical problem through the supply channels of the Ukroreich MBT. And even better - cut off country-U from Poland and 5 points of importation of equipment for ZSU with a blow from the allied forces from the north.
          About coming. It must be carried out immediately in 3 directions: to Kharkov; from the Crimea - up along the Dnieper; well, and with allied troops in the direction of Lvov, in order to cut off Poland and prevent it from capturing the "eastern" krezes.
          IMHO.
          1. 1razvgod
            1razvgod 18 December 2022 14: 13
            -2
            300t smeared into three directions? Part will be killed, wounded, part will remain to hold the territory of the rest, it will simply not be enough for an attack on such a wide territory. We need one direction, otherwise we will again fall into the same rake
          2. North Caucasus
            North Caucasus 18 December 2022 14: 20
            +3
            And why up, and not from the north along the rivers? Less dependence on bridges and insurance against undermining dams and flooding territories! Do not take Kyiv, but simply besiege and wait until the white flag is thrown. Otherwise, Kyiv will become like Grozny.
          3. Fisherman
            Fisherman 18 December 2022 14: 33
            +3
            agree! It is precisely to cut off Lvov and other supply channels with a blow from Brest to the south. For this, there is no need to spread forces along the entire border - enough border crossings, roads and railways and interchanges to take a sharp blow .... 30-40 thousand is enough for this ... so that Poland does not have a desire to invade with large forces in order to clamp ours on both sides - just IMMEDIATELY undermine, destroy the entire transport infrastructure on the border with Poland, so that there is nothing to fight for .... wall up the tunnels tightly, destroy bridges and railway lines - after the war we will restore, we now from these communications - one harm and there will be no benefit! Do not listen to any snot "we ourselves will come in handy THEN", this "later" most likely will not happen for 2-3 years. Any road from Poland must be made impassable for trucks, the DRG of our Airborne Forces must blow up at least 3 bridges on each route through which supplies can be delivered. Destroy all power supply in the border area! Destroy the thermal thrust! And then it would not make sense for NATO to enter the war on the border with Poland, because it would take several months to restore the paths, and in 1,5-2 months without the delivery of equipment, ammunition and fuels and lubricants from Poland, dill would weaken to the level of infantry with machine guns, and without artillery and fuels and lubricants it is a crowd of deserters with weapons.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 18 December 2022 13: 12
          +2
          Quote: Fisherman
          In order to win, it is necessary to deprive the ukroreich of the supply of shells and equipment from the west, fuel and lubricants and ammunition, and then he will live for a maximum of a month and a half.

          I read on Ukrainian resources, they calculated. If not for the West, then everything would have ended on April 24th.
          Not me, Svidomo thought.
    2. Comandor777
      Comandor777 18 December 2022 11: 28
      +12
      Quote from: ratoborets
      where the presidents of the two countries can discuss a "new attack" on Kyiv from Belarus

      I hope that this will not happen. An offensive and an attempt to take a city of 3 million (the population before the start of the NMD) will require and tie up a huge number of Russian soldiers even without the transfer of additional forces from other directions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      How it will be - we'll see, it's too early to guess.

      But I think that it is necessary to get up near Kyiv. And you don’t need to take it at the first stage, you just need to stand under it, then we will already tie up a large grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine forced to defend the capital. We will make a second Donbas out of Kyiv, they will sit without light, water, heat and under bombardment. Let them feel for themselves all the delights of the war of Judas. This will be revenge for Donetsk.
    3. Yorgven
      Yorgven 18 December 2022 11: 30
      +9
      For this, political will is needed, but unfortunately it is absent, therefore, instead of declaring war, we have an NVO, instead of destroying submarine cables, a "grain deal".
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 18 December 2022 13: 09
        0
        Whom to declare war on? Ukraine, although it is not said openly, is an illegal state. To declare war on it means to recognize it as an independent territory once again.
        1. haron
          haron 18 December 2022 23: 08
          0
          Quote: Herman 4223
          Ukraine, although it is not said openly, is an illegal state.
          Who decided it and when?
          About the rest of the republics of the former USSR, too, is this "not said"?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 19 December 2022 21: 13
            0
            “The rest of the republics of the former USSR don’t say that either?”
            Absolutely right smile .
      2. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 18 December 2022 14: 29
        0
        The West did not seem to declare war on us either. But he stupidly moved us away from energy supplies as a competitor. He approved his deliveries at any prices higher than ours. Imposed sanctions against us. Pushing away from the market is trying to set a price ceiling for us. For yourself, the price is unlimited. Leads the supply of military equipment to a non-belligerent country, buying up equipment wherever possible. Prior to that, he seized our accounts and property. In general, is there peace in the world? After all, no one has declared war on anyone! Everyone peacefully eat donuts!?
    4. haron
      haron 18 December 2022 23: 05
      0
      Quote from: ratoborets
      How best to destroy is a task for the General Staff of the Russian Federation, they must think about it and make a decision.

      This is your mistake (to put it mildly). How to destroy should be decided by the commander in front of whom the "specific goal" has become an obstacle to the completion of the task. He and only he can demand from the higher authorities the means of destruction if he himself does not have them. If he has, then he is responsible.
      If a fighter is fighting against another fighter, will he request a platoon for each shot, or for throwing a grenade ?? To undermine a large bridge, the coordinated work of a couple of dozen people is often enough. Should the General Staff invent and execute this too?
      This is called the ability to be responsible for one's actions (will and mind power). Both in one direction and in the other. To refuse to execute a deliberately criminal, stupid ... order is also willpower. The rest is cowardice.
  3. maxim1987
    maxim1987 18 December 2022 11: 15
    0
    Yeah, or, rubbed the military about the need for a new grandiose "regrouping". Over the past 20 years, it’s time to get used to the fact that Putin is giving back if he didn’t manage to take full advantage of the moment (Crimea), but there is hard work ahead. At least his administrative apparatus is not capable of this, and has no desire
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 18 December 2022 11: 28
      -1
      Quote: maximNNX
      his administrative apparatus is not capable of this, and has no desire

      The main thing is the lack of long-term resources.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 18 December 2022 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        The main thing is the lack of long-term resources.

        What "resources" are you talking about? Specify, PLZ, in more detail, preferably with justification, so that you can assess the "depth" of thought ...
        1. haron
          haron 18 December 2022 23: 37
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          What "resources" are you talking about?

          Not my question, but I will try modestly and minimally.
          Everything in relation to opponents and imaginary partners (such as China and India)
          1. Human. Both in qualitative and quantitative composition.
          2. The low level of the scientific sphere (to discover REAL breakthrough technologies), higher schools have been planted by conservative godfathers. Students are trained according to the programs of ten years ago at best. Lack of cooperation in the chain university - customer - manufacturer.
          3. Lagging behind in most high-tech areas (to implement breakthrough technologies in hardware). It is connected with the first and with the lack of modern technologies and equipment capable of doing this. In fact, there is no modern machine tool industry.
          ),
          3. In the industrial and production sphere (to establish mass and high-quality production of a new product).
          4. Degradation of industrial intelligence.
          5. Degradation in the sphere of creation and promotion of ideology both in the country and abroad. Loss of image and influence abroad.
          6. Complete instability of the ideological vector - as a result, partners see a primate with a grenade.
          6. For many really former partners, the country turns into a goal, a target ... Everyone is waiting for their time and chance.
          Enough
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2022 11: 17
    -1
    The Russian army is clearly preparing for an offensive ...
    No matter how the brains creaked, and not only in Kyiv, but also in the West. It is possible that another provocation will follow from the other side and that it will thunder all over the world.
  5. Epaulettes
    Epaulettes 18 December 2022 11: 18
    -3
    And why do the generals in the photo have such sour facial expressions?
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 18 December 2022 11: 30
      +1
      I don’t see anything sour. They will be happy after the Victory. Now it’s far from it
    2. opposite28
      opposite28 18 December 2022 22: 23
      0
      And why do the generals in the photo have such sour facial expressions?
      Lemon snack before the start of the meeting fellow
  6. rica1952
    rica1952 18 December 2022 11: 19
    0
    We found someone to listen to the New York Times, he will tell you where and when the offensive will take place. Donbass will be liberated and that's it.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 22
      -2
      and what's all??? Ukrainians will stop shelling the territory of the Russian Federation? or those who do not live in Belgorod, Shebekino, Kursk and Bryansk were not promised anything and they themselves are to blame ??? how is it, everyone who wanted to leave ???
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 18 December 2022 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: rica1952
      We found someone to listen to the New York Times, he will tell you where and when the offensive will be.

      We have Tolya-president at the grocery market not far from home. The president of the market wears felt boots in summer and barefoot in winter. So if the New York Times listens to his "predictions" and "revelations" about mammoths, about the climate, about world politics, about aliens, the entire editorial staff will shoot themselves in an organized manner.
      "Forecasters", damn it ... They would have remembered Churchill's personal astrologer ...
  7. maxim1987
    maxim1987 18 December 2022 11: 20
    0
    Quote from: ratoborets
    I would like to:
    Offensive along the Dnieper with the complete cutting off of the Left Bank grouping. How many forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be cut off on the Left Bank (Donbass, Kharkiv, Pavlograd, Lozovaya, other places of deployment in Chernihiv and Sumy regions) is irrelevant. We advance on Zaporozhye and simply destroy all the bridges, then Dnepropetrovsk, Dneprodzerzhinsk, etc.


    with the latest news from Moldova, the Pridnestrovian-Odessa direction may become more relevant
    1. Cap.nemo58rus
      Cap.nemo58rus 18 December 2022 13: 03
      0
      Yes - yes ... It would not be bad to ask the General Staff about this. Do you think we'll get an answer? lol
    2. opposite28
      opposite28 19 December 2022 02: 55
      0
      with the latest news from Moldova, the Pridnestrovian-Odessa direction may become more relevant
      Hardly, because the Transnistrian problem must be solved at the negotiating table. Also, some "divine personalities" from the "Pridnestrovian coast", "harvesting lovers", lovers of "solving the issue" with a mentality bent incomprehensibly by which the church censer is crying on its back took part in what is happening now in (in) Ukraine. Admirers of "NOBODY", "they don't exist" mainly concerns females who have long confused and confuse white with black, bottom with top, admirers of gossip. Online providing information to both Americans and Russians, and so that the enmity (probably angels with demons) never ends, but for some reason living young males die due to the fact that some fool imagined something or in cards were predicted, lovers of damage to send. And what is most curious, some local politicians take grandmother's gossip for valuable information and use such information in their daily lives, lovers of esotericism and other religionism, lovers of talking with other worlds. The south-east of Ukraine has been famous since ancient times for its peculiarities in terms of the so-called "surzhik" (a local way of transmitting verbal information), all kinds of demonism, especially closer to the territory of present-day Moldova and Romania, called the glorious female genital organ (an obscene word is more suitable). How many people the creatures of life have broken with their folk skills in the field of talking with no one knows who. The Transnistrian issue requires close attention, since if the PEMA or any other outcome of the problem is recognized, they (devils or angels of the Transnistrian and nearby regions of the Odessa region, Moldova and Romania, or whatever they call themselves) will surely have many questions and one should not be surprised if they start people come to the glorious Transnistrian area to return well-deserved debts for a spoiled life or a child or other family member taken away on a witchcraft theme. They will present it so that the ears wrap up ... if they have time. After all, they will become real ... am bully
  8. Comandor777
    Comandor777 18 December 2022 11: 20
    +1
    We are waiting, we hope that this time everything was planned without rose-colored glasses, that we will be met with flowers. You need to act tough, ruthlessly and with lightning speed. We hope that Lukashenko will also make his allied contribution and a united group will enter Ukraine from the territory of Belarus. Then everything will go much faster. I think it will be so, since Poland has fussed.
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 21
      -8
      yeah, of course with flowers ... you leave people without light and heat in winter, and they, apparently, should be happy from this
      1. Comandor777
        Comandor777 18 December 2022 12: 42
        +6
        Quote: Nikolay310
        yeah, of course with flowers ... you leave people without light and heat in winter, and they, apparently, should be happy from this

        They chose war with all the consequences. Therefore, happiness is not our problem. We must think about our own happiness and the happiness of the Russian people.
        1. haron
          haron 19 December 2022 21: 41
          0
          Quote: Comandor777
          They chose war with all the consequences. Therefore, happiness is not our problem.

          Is it like "they chose"? So the fascists at 41 had to be met with flowers by the whole union ... well, so as not to be left without light.
          Both Hitler and Goebels also said that they were not worried about the happiness of the Soviet untermeishes. Did you decide to copy them? Or is it "accidentally" flew off the tongue?
          1. Comandor777
            Comandor777 20 December 2022 08: 50
            0
            Quote: haron
            Quote: Comandor777
            They chose war with all the consequences. Therefore, happiness is not our problem.

            Is it like "they chose"? So the fascists at 41 had to be met with flowers by the whole union ... well, so as not to be left without light.
            Both Hitler and Goebels also said that they were not worried about the happiness of the Soviet untermeishes. Did you decide to copy them? Or is it "accidentally" flew off the tongue?

            Peaceful Minsk agreements were signed by Ukraine, but they were sabotaged and the path of war was chosen. Therefore, direct all claims to your own elite who have chosen this path.
            1. haron
              haron 20 December 2022 09: 19
              0
              Quote: Comandor777
              Ukraine signed the Minsk peace agreements, but they were sabotaged and the path of war was chosen

              Eka you are twisting everything in your favor. Either they are bad, these Minsk agreements, or they are good. Do you remember the Pereslavl Rada, which was signed with a state that was not there. "A treaty on collective security and guarantees of the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine? But they never remembered something.
              1. Comandor777
                Comandor777 20 December 2022 09: 30
                0
                Quote: haron
                Quote: Comandor777
                Ukraine signed the Minsk peace agreements, but they were sabotaged and the path of war was chosen

                Eka you are twisting everything in your favor. Either they are bad, these Minsk agreements, or they are good. Do you remember the Pereslavl Rada, which was signed with a state that was not there. "A treaty on collective security and guarantees of the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine? But they never remembered something.

                What does it mean to twist, it's a fact. The Minsk agreements were signed by the legally elected president, oligarch Poroshenko. Why did they sign papers if they were not going to fulfill them? We decided that the smartest and Russia can be thrown, now get it and sign it. They themselves chose this path, to lie under the Anglo-Saxons and become cannon fodder for them. Where else can you find such fools? Remember my words, as soon as they become reluctant, they will slam you like Afghanistan and you will be left with a broken country and in debt like silk, not to mention hundreds of thousands of dead, and all that would have to be done was to fulfill the obligations assumed. Moreover, de facto Donbas and Crimea were no longer the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, the enemy is in reflection, namely in your corrupt elite, who wanted to spit on their people.
                1. haron
                  haron 20 December 2022 10: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Comandor777
                  they will slam you like Afghanistan and you will be left with a broken country and in debt like

                  They won't slam me and my family, I'm not a Ukrainian.
                  You didn't answer why you "suddenly" forgot the treaty on collective security and not attacking Ukraine, when it gave you all the nuclear weapons in response.
                  You also remember Peryaslavskaya, but there is no Andrusov agreement. Here I remember, but here I do not remember.
                  1. Comandor777
                    Comandor777 20 December 2022 11: 04
                    0
                    Quote: haron
                    Quote: Comandor777
                    they will slam you like Afghanistan and you will be left with a broken country and in debt like

                    They won't slam me and my family, I'm not a Ukrainian.
                    You didn't answer why you "suddenly" forgot the treaty on collective security and not attacking Ukraine, when it gave you all the nuclear weapons in response.
                    You also remember Peryaslavskaya, but there is no Andrusov agreement. Here I remember, but here I do not remember.

                    If you are talking about the Budapest Memorandum, then, like any memorandum, it has no legal force, especially if it has not been ratified by any of the signatory countries. And why the US and Britain insisted on the transfer of Ukraine's nuclear weapons to Russia, it's obvious, cannon fodder should not have nuclear weapons.
                    1. haron
                      haron 20 December 2022 12: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Comandor777
                      If you are talking about the Budapest Memorandum, then, like any memorandum, it has no legal force, especially since it has not been ratified by any of the signatory countries

                      Again your double standards. Nobody ratified the Minsk memorandum either, as well as the March statuses after the Peryaslav Rada.
                      1. Comandor777
                        Comandor777 20 December 2022 13: 36
                        0
                        Quote: haron
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        If you are talking about the Budapest Memorandum, then, like any memorandum, it has no legal force, especially since it has not been ratified by any of the signatory countries

                        Again your double standards. Nobody ratified the Minsk memorandum either, as well as the March statuses after the Peryaslav Rada.

                        What double standards? Do you even know what a memorandum is? Open Wikipedia, check it out. The Minsk agreements were an agreement, not a memorandum. You just apparently do not own the subject or are washed out by your own propaganda.
                      2. haron
                        haron 20 December 2022 13: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        Open Wikipedia, check it out.

                        In-in open. "Treaty" from the word to speak., then what was agreed. And the "memorandum" is what was agreed upon and what is written on paper and what is signed by the parties to the agreement.
                      3. Comandor777
                        Comandor777 20 December 2022 14: 03
                        0
                        Quote: haron
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        Open Wikipedia, check it out.

                        In-in open. "Treaty" from the word to speak., then what was agreed. And the "memorandum" is what was agreed upon and what is written on paper and what is signed by the parties to the agreement.

                        For you not to speculate, read:

                        A memorandum is a type of agreement between legally competent parties that is not mandatory character!!! wink
                        A contract (pl. - contracts) is an agreement between two or more parties (subjects) on any issue with the aim of establishing, changing or terminating legal relations [1]. Serves source of obligations, moral or legal[2]. The contract is one of the oldest legal structures. wink
                        Therefore, you, as a country, are incapable of negotiating and are to blame for what is happening.
                      4. haron
                        haron 20 December 2022 14: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        Therefore, you, as a country, are incapable of negotiating and are to blame for what is happening.

                        Let's start with the fact that Ukraine is not my country.
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        Contract (pl. - contracts)

                        there were no Minsk agreements. There was a protocol and a subsequent memorandum.
                        Read read...
                      5. Comandor777
                        Comandor777 20 December 2022 17: 16
                        0
                        Quote: haron
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        Therefore, you, as a country, are incapable of negotiating and are to blame for what is happening.

                        Let's start with the fact that Ukraine is not my country.
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        Contract (pl. - contracts)

                        there were no Minsk agreements. There was a protocol and a subsequent memorandum.
                        Read read...

                        Especially for the gifted:
                        The Minsk agreements are enshrined in a UN Security Council resolution, and this is the highest international document that is mandatory for implementation.
                      6. haron
                        haron 20 December 2022 17: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        The Minsk agreements are enshrined in a UN Security Council resolution,

                        Here! You can whenever you want. Continue later, this is not the end.
                      7. Comandor777
                        Comandor777 20 December 2022 18: 06
                        0
                        Quote: haron
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        The Minsk agreements are enshrined in a UN Security Council resolution,

                        Here! You can whenever you want. Continue later, this is not the end.

                        This is the end, dear.
                      8. haron
                        haron 20 December 2022 22: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        This is the end, dear.

                        Well, if / you do not want to bring the meanings to the end, then I will do it myself.
                        What did you write.
                        Quote: Comandor777
                        The Minsk agreements are enshrined in a UN Security Council resolution, and this is the highest international document that is mandatory for implementation.

                        Quite right. They are mandatory, but for whom are they mandatory? - for all member countries of the UN. And for countries NOT members of the UN, they are only advisory.
                        The trouble is that the DPR and LPR are not even countries recognized by the UN. These are self-proclaimed entities. And even the Russian Federation recognized these territories as states (unilaterally) only on February 21.02.2021, XNUMX ..
                        When drawing up the protocols, the Russian Federation declared itself to be an intermediary on the part of these republics, and not a participant in the conflict. Although the famous ikhtamnet did the deed near Debaltseve and Ilovaysk.
                        Ukraine was placed in a deliberately unfavorable position, because the fixation of violations on its part required the immediate introduction of anti-sanctions by the Security Council automatically, and if the Ukrainians did start to "liberate" the republics, then the Security Council would be obliged to introduce an international contingent on their territory (as in the Korean war).
                        And the violation of the agreements by the republics could not entail anything "rude" for them on the part of the UN, except for sanctions.
                        Reliable control could be determined by the introduction of "peacekeepers", because then it would be possible to control the entire front line. But the Russian Federation did not want this. They limited themselves to a group of observers who came to the place already after the fact, and could not accurately determine not only "who fired first", but even who fired.
                        So, don’t remember the Minsk agreements, which were allegedly violated by only one side, and that they were beneficial only to Ukraine and the West.
                        PSY. Ka do not remember the Pereyaslav Rada. Because truth is a fact. And everyone has their own truth.
      2. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 18 December 2022 14: 36
        -1
        yeah, of course with flowers ... you leave people without light and heat in winter, and they, apparently, should be happy from this
        In the summer, these people had light and warmth! So what? These people didn't fight then? How did the presence of light and heat stop their warlike fervor? Dreamed of dying to the last Ukrainian? Dreamed! And now the dreams are frightened?
  9. Andy_nsk
    Andy_nsk 18 December 2022 11: 20
    +5
    But what exactly were 300 people mobilized for? Why were they trained for several months? For retreat? It is clear that our armed forces are preparing to attack. The only questions are where and when? - and, of course, we will not know this until the moment when everything starts, but even at the moment "H" it will not be possible to say that this is the place of a general offensive, it is quite possible that this is a distraction strike, and attacks on several plots.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 18 December 2022 11: 32
      +5
      I don’t think so much is enough for an offensive. To cover the rear, rather
      1. North Caucasus
        North Caucasus 18 December 2022 14: 41
        -1
        I don’t think so much is enough for an offensive. To cover the rear, rather
        We will probably wait until the West runs out of money and weapons to supply to the outskirts. That's when we start to attack! Remember the 99th karate move?! Exhausting the enemy by running! Here we are now applying the 99th technique!
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 December 2022 11: 26
    +2
    Ukrainian resources are already saying that all this is not without reason, Moscow is clearly up to something and an offensive will begin somewhere in the near future. Just where is not yet clear.
    Let Lyuska be asked, he knows for sure)) knows! laughing
    1. North Caucasus
      North Caucasus 18 December 2022 14: 44
      +1
      But you don’t know for what purpose they are interested in the date and place of the offensive?! Maybe they want to gather at this place, at this hour, and surrender in an orderly manner! laughing
  11. Normann
    Normann 18 December 2022 11: 30
    +6
    The army of the Republic of Belarus and the offensive will not go, if only partially, it has completely different tasks.
    1. stelltok
      stelltok 18 December 2022 11: 42
      +3
      She has completely different tasks.

      Absolutely.
    2. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 20
      -4
      and why should the army of Belarus die for? for Mazepin, regrouping, etc ??? tempting, sure, but...
      1. Normann
        Normann 18 December 2022 12: 32
        -3
        And nothing that we are a union state, but by and large, one country.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 18 December 2022 13: 29
        -2
        Quote: Nikolay310
        and why should the army of Belarus die for?

        Oh how! Die right away? Maybe -- WIN !
        But for the opposition to choke on its own snot, for Poland not to covet "its" (former) territories. To prevent the capture of 4 Western Ukrainian regions by the Commonwealth ... To reunite the RUSSIAN WORLD of three fraternal peoples. So that Washington does not plan a "limited nuclear strike" on the territory of a state allied with Russia (in order to see how Russia reacts to this!) And a bunch more "because ..." And, of course, the allied debt. And how without it?
  12. HAM
    HAM 18 December 2022 11: 36
    +2
    We have so many strategists and commanders in VO that you don’t know who to listen to .... probably they want to confuse the enemy ...
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 20
      +1
      one should always listen only to Putin and Konashenkov. they don't lie...
    2. Cheshire
      Cheshire 18 December 2022 12: 28
      0
      Quote: HAM
      We have so many strategists and commanders in VO that you don’t know who to listen to ....

      Nobody can be trusted. I can....
      laughing
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 December 2022 11: 46
    0
    And what will the NYT print if Lavrov and Shoigu show the Chinese Ambassador to Russia the command and control center of the Russian Defense Ministry? They got it right with this offensive, and if it doesn’t happen yet! In general, the NYT writes for Americans, not for Russians. In secret, the Snow Maiden was chosen for the new year. Santa Claus is the commander, the Snow Maiden -?
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 18 December 2022 13: 17
      +1
      Putin is a master of unexpected solutions. I'll try to reason. The New York Times and many others believe that Russia is preparing an offensive. So the unexpected solution will be the absence of any attacks. Instead of an offensive - an unexpected gesture of goodwill. Quite in his spirit. The Ukrainians did not expect a gift in the form of the surrender of Kherson, they expected a catch or a provocation. But unexpectedly it came true.
  14. engy
    engy 18 December 2022 11: 47
    0
    Well, the offensive, let's say, in a month. And why, then, was it necessary to leave Kherson? Wouldn't they keep him for 2 - 2,5 months? And now attack again. Either Byzantineism and other intra-elite consensuses, reaching irrationalism, or incorrect conclusions from these events. What exactly?
    1. Comandor777
      Comandor777 18 December 2022 12: 37
      0
      What is not clear, the supply of the group was very difficult due to broken bridges.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 18 December 2022 13: 33
      +1
      Kherson has recently been Russian territory. The motivation for leaving Kherson was the difficulty in supplying troops due to the destruction of the crossings across the Dnieper. Interesting logic. Why didn't Leningrad surrender to the Germans then? There was a blockade and it was oh so difficult to supply both the troops and the population. However, my question is stupid. The only loyal answer - Leningrad is different.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 December 2022 13: 35
      0
      Quote: engy
      And why, then, was it necessary to leave Kherson? Wouldn't they keep him for 2 - 2,5 months? What exactly?

      1. Logistics and supplies are not in the red army ...
      2. real threat of flooding of the defended positions;
      3. to prevent the "meat grinder" in Bakhmut style, but on our part, with the preponderance of forces and means of the ZSU ...
      Something like that.
  15. Ghost1
    Ghost1 18 December 2022 11: 53
    +2
    Something I have doubts about the offensive in the near future. With these regroupings and gestures of goodwill, the offensive somehow doesn't fit in.
  16. Roust
    Roust 18 December 2022 11: 58
    -1
    It is high time to finish this ukrogadyushnik and burn it with all its Nazi giblets.
  17. air wolf
    air wolf 18 December 2022 12: 07
    -1
    Let's hit it to the fullest after the New Year holidays, power outage, and the railway transport system and not take prisoner! Too late, I should have given up!
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 19
      +3
      by calls not to take prisoners, you only force the other side to fight to the end and, if they are surrounded, blow themselves up with grenades along with our fighters ...

      slogans, of course, are beautiful ... but sometimes you have to think, and not just measure yourself with urya-patriotism
  18. Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 18 December 2022 12: 12
    -1
    and it's all interesting. it's clear they're thinking something
  19. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 13
    0
    Quote: codetalker
    if it goes in the same directions as in February.

    Why don't you like these directions? Izyum, Kr. Liman, Kharkiv, Kyiv... Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
    Repetition is the mother of learning.)
    1. igork735
      igork735 18 December 2022 12: 57
      +2
      Distance from Donetsk to Avdiivka in a straight line - 14 km;
      to Marinka - 24 km;
      to Krasnogorovka - 22 km;
      The distance Pesky-Donetsk on the highway is 15 km, and in a straight line - 11 km.


      Experienced village (Bakhmutovsky district).
      Distance to the district center-Bakhmut (Artemovsk): (6 km.)
      Distance to the regional center-Donetsk (64 km.)
      Distance to the capital-Kyiv (592 km.)
      Distances to airports-Donetsk (57 km.)

      ⚡️Front summary for the morning of 18.12.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX⚡️
      On the Donetsk front, Russian troops again conducted assault operations in the area of ​​Novomikhailovka and Pobeda. Fighting continues in the city limits of Marinka. The Ukrainian garrison puts up fierce resistance. In turn, the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked Donetsk, Makiivka and Yasinovataya from cannon and rocket artillery.

      To the south of Bakhmut, PMC "Wagner" conducted assault operations near Andreevka. She also attacks the city from the side of the Experienced. On the eastern outskirts of Bakhmut - oncoming battles. Neither side is going to back down.



      See daily summaries from @wargonzo analytics

  20. ximkim
    ximkim 18 December 2022 12: 14
    -1
    Putin succeeds in inflating and creating, rather than solving problems (which makes the NATO countries very happy)
    Therefore, Kyiv and its producers will work hard and hard until the power in Russia has changed.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 December 2022 13: 55
      -2
      Quote: ximkim
      until the power in Russia has not changed.



      Do not even dream! am
      PUTIN is our helmsman!!! laughing
  21. Old sergeant
    Old sergeant 18 December 2022 12: 15
    +4
    Quote from Andy_nsk
    And actually for what 300 thousand people were mobilized?


    Yes, it did.
    Of my acquaintances, three were returned by reservation a month or two later to work after being called up and learning how to fight.
    So they came back completely different people. Pain and laughter as if it had not happened. Although they never made it to the front.
    1. opposite28
      opposite28 18 December 2022 22: 27
      +1
      Yes, it did.
      Of my acquaintances, three were returned by reservation a month or two later to work after being called up and learning how to fight.
      So they came back completely different people. Pain and laughter as if it had not happened. Although they never made it to the front.
      They probably understood where they got to, what they taught and for whom they tried ... The lucky ones that they recalled. good drinks
  22. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 18 December 2022 12: 15
    0
    Promising direction: Lutsk, thus cutting the shortest supply lines, also, auxiliary, you can get closer to Kyiv and keep it under artillery fire.
  23. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 18 December 2022 12: 17
    -3
    well, if Pu decides on military issues in the same way as economic ones, then we will have obvious "successes" and "breakthroughs" ... but most likely ukrov
    1. GUKTU76
      GUKTU76 18 December 2022 13: 29
      -2
      Well, why so fire? A Ukrainian who pretends to be a Russian looks funny. Looks like your "conservatory" has staffing issues.
  24. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 22
    +1
    Quote: air wolf
    take no prisoners! Too late, I should have given up!

    You are so brave ... Now, if a barrel was sent to the back of your head, what should you do?
    In principle, you are right about something: each fighter has a weapon in his hands ... he can also be turned.
    That's just the guts of the ukroterbats, for 30 years of the "new life" the brains have been emasculated. Away from the word.
  25. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 25
    0
    Quote: HAM
    there are so many strategists and generals in VO

    Maybe they are on the front lines to the headquarters for reinforcement?)
  26. Maz
    Maz 18 December 2022 12: 27
    +1
    Quote: Comandor777
    Quote from: ratoborets
    where the presidents of the two countries can discuss a "new attack" on Kyiv from Belarus

    I hope that this will not happen. An offensive and an attempt to take a city of 3 million (the population before the start of the NMD) will require and tie up a huge number of Russian soldiers even without the transfer of additional forces from other directions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    How it will be - we'll see, it's too early to guess.

    But I think that it is necessary to get up near Kyiv. And you don’t need to take it at the first stage, you just need to stand under it, then we will already tie up a large grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine forced to defend the capital. We will make a second Donbas out of Kyiv, they will sit without light, water, heat and under bombardment. Let them feel for themselves all the delights of the war of Judas. This will be revenge for Donetsk.

    for this it is necessary to advance along the right bank of the Dnieper, from the north and from the south, and the bridges will be intact. Plus move to Odessa and Moldova as a distraction.
  27. sanik2020
    sanik2020 18 December 2022 12: 29
    +3
    According to the American publication, Putin intends to take the situation under personal control and take more part in planning military operations. In general, as the newspaper suggests, the Russian leadership is clearly planning an offensive in Ukraine.

    Funny creatures these SMIstitutes, a fly will fly by and it means something.
    Putin held a meeting, so he himself will command everyone, up to the platoon commander!?
    This is a regular working meeting where positions are compared for further planning, and such meetings are common practice, although not frequent.
    And there will definitely be an offensive, only they won’t blow it to the whole world ahead of time, like a chimney flue.
  28. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 31
    -1
    Quote: Roust
    It's high time to end this bastard

    First, let's "finish" the viper near Artyomovsk, and then ... and again "they took the city with a fight ..." Lvov ..., they passed the whole city "...
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 18 December 2022 13: 24
      +3
      Or maybe even Bakhmut and not Artyomovsk? Dills have no right to the name Bakhmut. Our ancestors called him Bakhmut when he was founded and he was Bakhmut until he entered Ukraine, and only the Ukrainian name entered Artemovsk.
    2. GUKTU76
      GUKTU76 18 December 2022 13: 48
      0
      And what if there is neither the need nor the desire to take Lvov? Do we need territories or denazification and demilitarization? If it is possible to solve these problems without taking cities, then this is how it should be done. And Artemovsk in this sense is not a city, but a stronghold of the enemy. With all the consequences...
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 18 December 2022 22: 44
        0
        Quote: GUKTU76
        And what if there is neither the need nor the desire to take Lvov?

        Lions must be taken. UGS is there. We need them.
        If the Poles get it, Poland will cut us off from the EU on our own gas pipelines.
        1. GUKTU76
          GUKTU76 19 December 2022 15: 02
          0
          Europeans have much easier ways to cut themselves off from Russia. And they use them. Storage without gas is inexpensive. And who will pump gas into them? Slovaks?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 December 2022 23: 13
            0
            LNG supplies are discrete. Consumption is continuous.
            States initiated the construction of reception terminals
            LNG in SPM: in Greece, Romania, etc. And in the Baltic: in Poland and
            the Baltics. These terminals are interconnected.
            And UGS facilities ready for them are only in Western Ukraine ...
  29. Boniface
    Boniface 18 December 2022 12: 34
    +1
    The theme of the attack on Kyiv became popular. While agreeing that Kyiv is not ready for defense like Mariupol and Bakhmut, where for 8 years fortifications were built and positions were targeted, we nevertheless do not consider such an operation justified, because. it does not solve any strategic problem. There are three cities that are more important than Kyiv for Russia in terms of war.

    Lions. The capture of Lviv is guaranteed to solve the issue of war within 2-3 months, because. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are critically dependent on Western military assistance. Moreover, the front will need to be held only from the southeast, because. NATO will definitely not intervene. This became clear after all the incidents. One minus: the Kremlin sleeps and sees how to fuse Galicia to Poland, and in this case it will not work.

    Odessa. The capture of Odessa solves 2 issues at once: access to Transnistria and cutting off Ukraine from ports, which makes it useless from the point of view of agrarian transnationals who trade in grain. To launch grain, they will have to resolve the issue with Moscow, which will immediately transfer them to the side of Russia. Without ports, economically, Ukraine will become a huge anchor for the West. Strategically, the issue will be resolved in 1-2 years in this case, you can just wait. Minus: the deal with Erdogan is broken, and Moscow is not in the situation now to spoil the life of Turkey.

    Kharkiv. Donbass front after the fall of Mariupol shifted to the north. Kharkiv is the logistics and industrial center of the East. The fall of Kharkov will complicate the supply of the entire group (only through Zaporozhye and the Dnieper), which will inevitably lead to a retreat from the most prepared positions. In addition, shelling of the Belgorod region will be weakened. Minus: an ammonia deal, which, however, does not yet exist.
  30. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 12: 35
    +2
    Quote: Comandor777
    We hope that Lukashenka

    As they say, paraphrasing a little: rely on the Old Man, but don’t make a mistake yourself.
  31. vvn_vl
    vvn_vl 18 December 2022 12: 37
    -2
    once again, the minister pleased: he helped the president find the right word on a piece of paper... why did they bring the minister??
  32. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 10
    0
    Quote from igork735
    Distance from Donetsk to Avdiivka in a straight line - 14 km;

    Igor, you did a good job with the ruler.)
    We have one direction - KGBychno, to the West.
    You were confused by the order of listing settlements, well, I'm sorry, I'll get better. We will take ... first
    Artyomovsk, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Kr. Liman, Izyum, Kupyansk, Kharkov... and so on to the Polish border.
  33. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 12
    0
    Quote: Boniface
    The capture of Lviv is guaranteed to solve the issue

    so am i about the same.
  34. Eva Star
    Eva Star 18 December 2022 13: 15
    0
    If this happens, I hope bridges and dams will be demolished, there is no point in attacking without bridges. We need to cut off the east from the west first.
  35. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 18 December 2022 13: 21
    +2
    By the way, Shoigu visited the war zone. Maybe it's true what's going on.
  36. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 18 December 2022 13: 25
    0
    In my logic, I would hardly combine a meeting with an offensive. Usually, if a high boss comes down to you, then this is due to the fact that something has been delayed in work or the case smells of kerosene. And the main goal of such meetings is to find out how it happened and who to put on a hat.
  37. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 39
    0
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    Artemovsk is only a Ukrainian name.

    Sorry Alex, I thought the opposite. Senks.)
  38. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 18 December 2022 13: 40
    +1
    Today I watched the news on "Russia 24", As always, the video sequence goes in a circle. But the resentful and gloomy expression on the face of Shoigu, who flew in a helicopter to inspect a military group in Ukraine immediately after the meeting with Putin, immediately caught my eye. It is clear that a military man with a military academic education should inspect the troops, if on business. issues of warfare are the prerogative of the General Staff. But apparently. Vladimir Vladimirovich ordered him to personally fly to the front.
    As for whether there will be an offensive or not, we'll wait and see.
  39. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 13: 58
    0
    Quote: GUKTU76
    if there is no need or desire

    Vasilyich, so I figuratively.)
    "Why do we need, lieutenant, a foreign land ..."
    So if you don’t take it, then the abscess will ripen again, don’t you think?)
  40. Egeny
    Egeny 18 December 2022 14: 03
    0
    Quote: yuriy1863
    Vladimir Vladimirovich ordered him to personally fly to the front.

    In my opinion, both of them were "kicked" - Gerasimov also has a sad expression on his face, although ... I did not see him smiling.
  41. Pravodel
    Pravodel 18 December 2022 14: 06
    0
    Ukrainian intelligence "did not see" readiness

    All lies. The APU saw nothing. Our people are sitting and preparing to celebrate the New Year with Christmas trees, embroidered shirts, printed gingerbread and lard, how could it be without Ukrainian lard .. Let them now report up to the main Anglo-Saxon.
  42. starley
    starley 18 December 2022 16: 52
    0
    Yes, it is impossible to do without the creation of an air defense base in Transcarpathia.
  43. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 18 December 2022 19: 12
    0
    Quote: codetalker
    It seems that it is obvious to everyone that this offensive will take place. It is not known only when, in what parameters. It will be interesting if it goes in the same directions as in February.
    Was it in vain that Moscow got into Ukraine? We must win now.
  44. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 18 December 2022 19: 14
    -1
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    By the way, Shoigu visited the war zone. Maybe it's true what's going on.

    This is why the Russian Armed Forces have come to the fact that the Minister of Defense does the inspection before the offensive?
  45. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 18 December 2022 19: 16
    -1
    Quote: Herman 4223
    In my logic, I would hardly combine a meeting with an offensive. Usually, if a high boss comes down to you, then this is due to the fact that something has been delayed in work or the case smells of kerosene. And the main goal of such meetings is to find out how it happened and who to put on a hat.

    The usual "rewarding the uninvolved and punishing the innocent." Nothing unusual.
  46. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 18 December 2022 19: 17
    -1
    Quote from Egeni
    Quote from igork735
    Distance from Donetsk to Avdiivka in a straight line - 14 km;

    Igor, you did a good job with the ruler.)
    We have one direction - KGBychno, to the West.
    You were confused by the order of listing settlements, well, I'm sorry, I'll get better. We will take ... first
    Artyomovsk, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Kr. Liman, Izyum, Kupyansk, Kharkov... and so on to the Polish border.

    Who are we"? Are you writing from the trenches, or what?
  47. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 18 December 2022 19: 18
    0
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: ximkim
    until the power in Russia has not changed.



    Do not even dream! am
    PUTIN is our helmsman!!! laughing

    "Heil, mein führer" shout?
  48. Ruudi 34
    Ruudi 34 18 December 2022 19: 21
    0
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: engy
    And why, then, was it necessary to leave Kherson? Wouldn't they keep him for 2 - 2,5 months? What exactly?

    1. Logistics and supplies are not in the red army ...
    2. real threat of flooding of the defended positions;
    3. to prevent the "meat grinder" in Bakhmut style, but on our part, with the preponderance of forces and means of the ZSU ...
    Something like that.

    "You can't shit, don't torment f..pu" they wanted to say?
  49. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 19 December 2022 04: 13
    0
    Quote from Luka Nord
    GDP waited and did the right thing ..! ... Ukroreich is exhausted and the West is already too (50 lard invested and everything was wasted)

    The losses of Ukraine in the defense are not critical: with a number of troops of 500-700 thousand, the benchmark for the loss of 100 thousand killed is enough for 2 years of the war, and yet they still have a further mobilization resource ...

    As for technology, the West supplies it constantly. The Soviet equipment will end - they will put their own, and now MANY newcomers are fighting (from Poland, etc.). And dollars - they can still easily print (from a trillion or more, like on covid).

    So the most interesting is ahead, the mobilized main part is not even involved yet

    Let's see if there will be any sense (perhaps this will turn out to be very insufficient, which will also limit the possibilities).
  50. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 19 December 2022 04: 27
    0
    Quote: YOUR
    Then, in general, something not probable was October-November, they drove us so that they abandoned a bunch of equipment and dumped us over the Dnieper.

    Do not confuse - they left here themselves, and with almost no loss in technology. The reasons were named, including the impossibility of a safe supply of troops (due to shelling of crossings).

    Now the Ukrainians are forming entire units on the BMP-3, T-72B3.

    When retreating from the Kharkov region, they lost ~ 15 tanks and the same number of self-propelled guns (which is not critical), the military knocks them out in 3-5 days.

    They called on a bunch of people and took them without preparation, threw them into battle

    Thrown into battle - the minimum part. But yes, the reason is because the "generals / politicians" relied on "maybe", and because of the mediocrity of the top leadership.