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Journalists received a comment from the military commissar Mikhail Fotin about his words about the term of military conscription in Russia

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Journalists received a comment from the military commissar Mikhail Fotin about his words about the term of military conscription in Russia

Journalists received a comment from Mikhail Fotin, military commissar near Moscow, who, on air on Dmitrov TV, announced a phased transition to a 2-year conscription service in Russia. Recall that Lieutenant Colonel Fotin on the air of the mentioned channel (later the video was deleted from the channel) said that from the spring of 2023 it is planned to increase the term of service for conscripts from a year to a year and a half, and then move on to a 2-year term - by 2024. According to Fotin, this is due to the entry of "northern neighbors into NATO." Such statements have caused a discussion on the network, which is also related to how effective the increase in service life is for preparing a qualified “conscript” soldier.


Meanwhile, on the air Moscow online (MSK1.ru) material appeared, which says that the journalists of the publication got through to Mikhail Fotin and asked him to comment on his statement.

The military commissar of Taldom, Dmitrov and Dubna himself commented as follows:

I have said a lot there. It all depends on how you installed it. You can mount the material you receive in different ways.

A more specific explanation has not yet been provided.

To date, there have been no official comments from the Ministry of Defense and other government agencies regarding the words of Lieutenant Colonel Mikhail Fotin.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 17 December 2022 14: 48
    +6
    Brought clarity is called. Maybe he said. Or maybe not. The authorities know better. And as for the terms of service, this is not at the level of "is it possible to train a fighter" should be discussed. even apart from the question of the intensity of training and the development of work with equipment and weapons. The question is like this. If a professional military personnel complains that the one-year training program is not enough, then maybe it is worth reviewing its content? How many hours and days are allocated for drill training? How much for chores? Learn to make the most of your time. take care of the timing. How much per year is spent on walking, making beds and clearing snow? Use this time more effectively. And service for three years for two is a matter of economic damage to the state. All this mass of conscripts will have to be watered, fed, dressed, shoes, maintained, and they will learn under the guidance of sensitive commanders ... peel potatoes, fill beds and make wall newspapers. And in case of war, they cannot go to the front. that is, in parallel, combat units must also be maintained from mobilized and volunteers.
    1. private person
      private person 17 December 2022 15: 07
      +3
      and they will study under the guidance of sensitive commanders ... peel potatoes, fill beds and make wall newspapers

      For two years of service in 95-97, I never did and never even saw a wall newspaper. Peeling potatoes went to the outfits. But they were also engaged in combat training for half a year in the ShMS of Kungur, and then in the troops they were not in vain. Plant now for the Buk M1 air defense system, I will remember everything. And yes, today's youth would benefit from classes in making beds and many other delights of military service.
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 17 December 2022 15: 44
      +3
      Quote: voice of reason
      And in case of war, they cannot go to the front.

      Conscripts fought in Afghanistan. After training for the war. And nothing, the boys fought with dignity. the spirits still remember that they have never seen such a worthy opponent.
      1. Former soldier
        Former soldier 17 December 2022 20: 13
        0
        Conscripts fought in Afghanistan. After training for the war. And nothing, the boys fought with dignity. the spirits still remember that they have never seen such a worthy opponent.

        Yes, a conscript can be prepared for hostilities faster than an age-old mobilized one, but there is, after all, an equally important topic - the preservation of the nation's gene pool.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 18 December 2022 08: 33
          +1
          Quote: Former soldier
          another equally important topic is the preservation of the gene pool of the nation

          In case of defeat, there is a possibility that there will be no nation and no gene pool. This time, do not doubt that the West will try to solve the "Russian Question" once and for all.
          1. Former soldier
            Former soldier 18 December 2022 10: 45
            -2
            In case of defeat, there is a possibility that there will be no nation and no gene pool. This time, do not doubt that the West will try to solve the "Russian Question" once and for all.

            - do not leave the boys first;
            - presumably "sworn friends" are primarily concerned about the Russian statehood, i.е. vast territory and power over it, and not the genes of hundreds of indigenous peoples living on it. Or will they throw up "plague" blankets?
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 December 2022 00: 32
        -4
        Quote: orionvitt
        Conscripts fought in Afghanistan. After training for the war.


        to war with an unprofessional army of Afghan rebels. And you want conscripts to fight against professional thugs who have under a dozen military conflicts behind them or even worse against professional contract soldiers who have a lot of wars around the world behind them.
        Do you want to make cannon fodder out of our youth in Ukraine?
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 18 December 2022 08: 42
          -1
          Quote: lopvlad
          with an unprofessional Afghan rebel army

          Are these Afghan Mujahideen not professional soldiers? . If they have very tight technical equipment, but they know how to fight. And they always knew how not to hold their fighting spirit. And this is another huge plus for our boys conscripts, who fought stubbornly against such an enemy, in the most difficult conditions of mountainous terrain, where the technical superiority of the Soviet army often did not help out in any way.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 21 December 2022 18: 34
            -1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Are these Afghan Mujahideen not professional soldiers?


            Are you seriously ? do you consider a crowd of rebels without armored vehicles, aviation, tanks, air defense to be a professional army? and you compare an Afghan who knows how to fight only under the cover of his mountains with a professional thug who has the experience of wars around the world equal in professionalism?
            Fighting spirit is great, but without professionalism and training, you won’t be able to fight for a long time.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 21 December 2022 22: 00
              -1
              Quote: lopvlad
              an Afghan who knows how to fight only under the cover of his mountains

              The same applies to your "professional thugs", who can only fight under the cover of their tanks, planes, air defenses, and so on. And professionalism is not only the ability to press high-tech buttons, but fighting spirit.
        2. Lako
          Lako 18 December 2022 10: 52
          +1
          This non-professional army of Afghan rebels, if anything, blew up the elite and professional parts of the US army. Moreover, they did this without any support from weapons and equipment from abroad.
    3. Kyrs
      Kyrs 19 December 2022 05: 19
      0
      Steps are also needed! A little . Develops a sense of distance. To then run when not to bump into each other. Etc.
  2. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 17 December 2022 14: 48
    0
    A very detailed comment .. "I said everything there ..." Why was everyone so tense after Fotin's words?
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 17 December 2022 15: 00
      +2
      Because in addition to information about the increase in service life, Fotin said that to date, partial mobilization has not been completed, but suspended.
      All this is an open secret, but it is not for the Taldom military commissar to announce them. He is an official official after all, he should think a little about what to say and understand his level of competence.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 18 December 2022 00: 39
        +1
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        that to date, partial mobilization has not been completed, but suspended.


        in our country, conscription for urgent military service never ends, but is suspended until a new conscription. Demobilization is considered the end of any mobilization among the military.
  3. Iris
    Iris 17 December 2022 14: 49
    0
    Well, wait, the military commissar will not find it a little. I wonder how they will punish? After all, he divulged a terrible secret, of a strategic scale, and even referred to the Chukhonians.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 17 December 2022 14: 53
      +1
      Do you think it will go like a "Finnish spy"? bully Let's just say that a military man, if he decided and received permission from a superior to communicate with journalists, must be responsible for his words. If I were him, I would not communicate with journalists
  4. spirit
    spirit 17 December 2022 14: 50
    0
    I have said a lot

    I think the lieutenant colonel let it slip, got a cap and is now making excuses. The authorities apparently again want to do everything on the sly, and announce at the last moment, instead of correctly explaining everything and building a policy.
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 17 December 2022 14: 54
      +3
      It is unlikely that M. Fotin carried a gag, which means that the issue of increasing the service life is being worked out. I don’t understand why lie, why not tell the truth. If there is a need to increase the service life, then it is necessary to increase.
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 17 December 2022 14: 53
    +2
    Remember the warrior forever!
    Chatterbox is a find for the enemy

    In place of Shoigu, I by order of the minister forbade the military to give interviews and make any public statements.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 17 December 2022 14: 59
      +1
      So they do not have the right to distribute all sorts of interviews on their own. All questions to the press service. Not only what kind of videos, what social networks? This has long been banned.
  6. Andrey Andreev_2
    Andrey Andreev_2 17 December 2022 14: 57
    -4
    In one year, you can only prepare a soldier for service, and he must also serve, gain experience. I think that in general it is necessary to do 3 years for 'non-sailors', and they are generally 4 .... And no delays, slightly sick - to the economic units, and sons / majors - immediately to the front line. Non-serving wolf ticket without the right to occupy civil service positions! Graduate students/candidates and dodgers over 27 are subject to/service at any age. I plowed 20+)))
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 17 December 2022 15: 36
      +1
      Well, you know, a wolf ticket is not such a scary thing, you can perfectly get a job without the state, keep a stall with shawarma, relatively speaking, and spit on the ceiling. More precisely, it will have to work there, but he will somehow survive.
      A simple trailer with shawarma in the offseason gives a thousand and a half a day on weekdays, three rubles on weekends. Much more during the season, well, calculate how much he will earn after taxes for 3 years. Our builder gets 2 rubles and plows all day, well, you can feel comfortable at a construction site, on a trolleybus on an intercity a month you get your fifty, what do these people care about a wolf ticket? This is not the Soviet Union, young ladies do not care if you served or not.

      But I have a different point, it may be good for you to talk about being separated from the family for 3 years, so my son is going to unlearn to be an auto mechanic. he fully understands what he needs to join the army, according to your requests, he will leave at 25 and without work experience, will he be able to marry by the age of 30, until he gains some experience and begins to receive more or less decent money? This is when he will be 40 his child will study in elementary school, when my father was 40 I studied at the university. so for comparison.
      I am not fundamentally opposed to a 3-year service, well, probably something needs to be done with the same experience, it can take care of employment, but no one will do this, and if they do. over there at the Fiolent plant, young people are paid 20 thousand dirty money, who needs such a job?
      You can stay in the army, but still not, and the contract is not honey at all. My friend served in an officer position as an ensign in the 126th brigade, in FIG he quit and went into business, selling beer and nuts with ice cream turned out to be much more fun.
      The army is a social institution, you need to train a soldier, I agree, but a soldier needs to get settled in life, and in the USSR this was solved simply, because there was a right to work, but now nobody needs a young man, everyone needs work experience. It does not happen that the army is separate, and the society is separate.
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 December 2022 17: 21
        0
        Quote: Alexander Salenko
        in the USSR, this was solved simply, because there was a right to work,

        It was not a right, but a duty. Nobody canceled the article for parasitism - and they don’t punish for not fulfilling the right ...
        Therefore, they worked or were registered (yes-yes !!) that they work - everything! Polls ..
        And as for the term, everything is simple. If you throw everything superfluous to hell, you can learn the VUS in half a year. During the war, pilots were taught for half a year - but is half a year not enough for modern infantry?
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 18 December 2022 00: 46
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          It was not a right, but a duty.


          it was both a right (since no one could refuse a young specialist a job or fire a young specialist) and an obligation, since we all lived in a socialist state where there should be no drones.
          1. your1970
            your1970 18 December 2022 12: 53
            0
            Quote: lopvlad
            it was also a right (since no one could refuse to work for a young specialist or fire a young specialist)

            university was must distribute - graduate was must work out' - the enterprise was owes to accept.
            Where here right?
            And a few graduates had the right to choose from a small assortment of distribution ....

            And at the same time - in Belarus, where there is a mandatory distribution - the population was not particularly enthusiastic (I was there until 2019).
            And when I told them - that "The distribution is great!!! There is 100% work and the work experience is on!!" - the parents of the students frowned and said that it's crap that they pay young people according to the distribution of a penny and that sometimes the salary is not enough to rent a hut.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 19 December 2022 17: 37
              0
              My dad went into the army and didn’t work a damn thing, who are you selling this nonsense to?
              1. your1970
                your1970 19 December 2022 18: 21
                0
                Quote: Alexander Salenko
                My dad went into the army and didn’t work a damn thing, who are you selling this nonsense to?

                You - exclusively You.
                Only you are the only one in VO who does not know about the mandatory working off after an institute under the USSR and you have never seen "Spring on Zarechnaya Street" in your life (and also a demonic cloud of a film about students by distribution).

                Well, with your father, everything is simple -
                "MINISTRY OF HIGHER AND SECONDARY SPECIAL
                EDUCATION OF THE USSR
                ORDER
                from 18 March 1968 N N 220
                ON APPROVAL OF THE REGULATION ON PERSONAL
                DISTRIBUTION OF YOUNG SPECIALISTS GRADUATE
                HIGHER AND SECONDARY SPECIAL EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS"

                "26. Specialists with higher and secondary specialized education required to work after graduation in accordance with the appointment of the Personal Distribution Commission and the direction of the ministry (department) at least three years, except for those specialists for whom other terms of work are established by the Government.
                Note. For young specialists with higher and secondary specialized education who are drafted into the Armed Forces of the USSR, the time spent in the Armed Forces of the USSR is counted as part of the period of compulsory work for their intended purpose after graduation from the educational institution.
                .....
                28. Young professionals who have the time of work after graduation and stay in the Armed Forces of the USSR is less than three years, at the end of their service in the Armed Forces of the USSR, they are obliged to report to work at the enterprise, organization of the ministry (department) to whose disposal they were sent by the Commission for the Personal Distribution of Young Specialists.

                so your father either served in the Navy, or he had a year of experience before the army, or worked out after urgent work, or mowed down from working out.
                On the Your choice....
                1. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 19 December 2022 22: 37
                  0
                  To you - exclusively to you.
                  Only you are the only one in VO who does not know about the mandatory work after an institute under the USSR

                  Buddy, I didn’t study at a university under the USSR and therefore I couldn’t see, but my father took it and went to the army, and then I was already half a year old, and when I returned I had a headache with him, what kind of man was he and why did he shake his rights . I don't remember, my dad told me. It somehow turns out like this, and no, my dad was an ordinary motorized rifleman and served on the BMP-2, which was still secret then.
                  Okay, dad, mother graduated from the same faculty. calmly got a job in a kindergarten, you leave the entrance and here is your work in front of you.
                  and have never seen "Spring on Zarechnaya Street" in my life (and also a demonic cloud of a film about students by distribution).

                  No, I haven't seen it, but the link to the movies is still a link.
                  Note. For young specialists with higher and secondary specialized education who are drafted into the Armed Forces of the USSR, the time spent in the Armed Forces of the USSR is counted as part of the period of compulsory work for their intended purpose after graduation from the educational institution.

                  It seems you didn’t understand, I’m talking about now, so by the way, my father didn’t live 2 months before retirement, but these are the details, in fact, and my personal tragedy. There is a question about a three-year service life, and so I am against it. My kid needs to think about his family and about his experience, where the army is not included. Well, even if they formally count, at any enterprise it will be up to the ass. The fact that he can master a specialty in the army is a fact, but he will not receive normally for his skills, why should he wipe his pants for three years? Because someone wanted it?
                  My friend, I understand everything, but I often heard from officials that the state does not owe you anything, so then let it not demand anything in return. The key is Medvedev's words that if the school pays little, then the idiot in business. And who at school will work this figure does not care at all?
                  And you don’t have to guess about my father - it’s superfluous, as it’s not difficult to guess, he has exactly the same last name as me and his documents are in the archive, I looked it up myself, worked out archival practice.
                  Working off was formally for me, only everyone scored on it.
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 21 December 2022 19: 04
              0
              Quote: your1970
              The university was obliged to distribute - the graduate was obliged to work out' - the enterprise was obliged to accept.
              Where is the right?
              And a few graduates had the right to choose from a small assortment of distribution ....


              what are you hooked on distribution and working off after training for 5 years?.
              The right to work was given to a Soviet citizen for the entire period of labor activity (up to 60 years) and during this period no one could throw him "on the street" just like that.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 December 2022 20: 15
                0
                Quote: lopvlad
                what are you hooked on distribution and working off after training for 5 years?.

                it answer on
                Quote: Alexander Salenko
                My dad went into the army and didn’t work out a damn thing about who you are nonsense vparivaet?

                well, not in the course man

                Quote: lopvlad
                The right to work was given to a Soviet citizen for the entire period of labor activity (up to 60 years) and during this period no one could throw him "on the street" just like that.
                Of course, no one could argue with that.
                Quote: your1970
                under the 1977 constitution, the right to work was simultaneously and right and duty
                "Article 60. Duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen of the USSR is conscientious work in his chosen field of socially useful activity, observance of labor discipline.
                Evasion of socially useful labor is incompatible with the principles of socialist society"

                and so that he did not have the desire to evade - they polished from above
                Quote: your1970
                "By the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of February 25, 1970, this Code was supplemented by Article 209.1
                209.1 Article. Malicious evasion of the decision on employment and termination of parasitic existence

                and yes, today it seems to us a boon - but for STATES the USSR
                Quote: lopvlad
                during this period, no one could throw him "on the street" just like that.
                - It was a very big problem. Perhaps even one of the reasons for his death ...
                "Afonya" remember?
                before my eyes such examples were not even a carriage - echelons ...

                A tractor driver worked for my father in the PMC, who drank to hell - his father could not fire him because
                1) 3 children - 1 disabled person
                2) the team unanimously stood up for his defense - because he was not greedy and from the pay he covered the clearing for the peasants.
                3) expel Zdyulin from the District Committee under the article: "You raised a person poorly !!!!!!"
                By the way, thanks to tractor drivers like him, metalworkers have been collecting ferrous metal in the fields for 20 years. Well, it’s not a pity, well, the generator / hydraulic cylinder broke down - they brought a new one, threw the old one into a ravine

                2 teachers worked at our school after the institute for distribution .. well, how they worked ... sometimes ... they came to the middle of the lesson, easily ...
                One dad had a store manager in Samara - they were stupidly dragging out time to attach their daughter to themselves. The second one was just a pofigistka - she was purple in general what was happening to her and where she was.
                Expel - "no way!! Young professionals!"
                1. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 22 December 2022 02: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  Perhaps even one of the reasons for his death ...
                  "Afonya" remember?


                  in the USSR they did everything right and such "afoni" fulfilled their task, albeit belatedly. And now such "afoni" are lying around pissed homeless people on the street and create nothing but problems.
                  For example, in Soviet times, almost all electricians were completely screwed up, but as we see, in the same Ukraine, they built such an energy network that it is quite difficult to completely disable even with massive missile attacks.

                  Quote: your1970
                  By the way, thanks to tractor drivers like him, metalworkers have been collecting ferrous metal in the fields for 20 years.


                  thanks to such tractor drivers, Russian agriculture survived in the 90s at the beginning of the XNUMXs. Although they drank, they knew how to work, because at the same time they plowed the land being in inhuman conditions, in the summer the heat in the Soviet tractor was under forty and in the winter it was dog cold, and they could repair the tractor by disassembling it fully.
                  And the devil is in the fields because at the factories for the production of agricultural machinery there were cross-armed designers who produced equipment that fell apart before our eyes, and if these are combines, then they lost the lion's share of the harvest during harvesting.

                  Quote: your1970
                  2 teachers worked at our school after the institute for distribution .. well, how they worked ... sometimes ... they came to the middle of the lesson, easily ...


                  after such training in distribution, they would be issued with such characteristics with records in their personal file that their further promotion in this specialty would be impossible.
                  Stupidly they would give the minimum hours and, accordingly, their salary would be the minimum.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 22 December 2022 07: 42
                    0
                    Quote: lopvlad
                    in the USSR they did everything right and such "afoni" performed their task, albeit belatedly

                    Having cut down the trash for replacing the gasket, having come a month later from the call ...
                    If now they come to you to clean the sewerage 3 weeks after the csk the toilet was clogged - you will eat everyone, you will write to the prosecutor's office, you will write to the Internet ...
                    And then - thanks to this "Athos" - we just went to the toilet to the neighbors, and there was a bucket in the corridor. Moscow metro Kaluzhskaya 1981.
                    Quote: lopvlad
                    And the devil is in the fields because at the factories for the production of agricultural machinery there were cross-armed designers who produced equipment that fell apart before our eyes, and if these are combines, then they lost the lion's share of the harvest during harvesting.

                    That is, you understand - that somehow Azovstal worked entirely for waste - spending resources and labor of people?
                    Horror, the harvest in the Saratov region is now about the same as in the USSR - on areas 60% of those sown in the USSR ...
                    Half of the crop in the USSR was lost and stolen
                    Quote: lopvlad
                    after such a working out for distribution, they would be given such characteristics with entries in their personal file

                    Dad
                    Quote: your1970
                    was a store manager in Samara
                    - as a result, the director of the school was brought "Vyatka-automatic" and the characteristic was neutral. Daughter was preparing a place as a teacher at the institute lol

                    Quote: lopvlad
                    Stupidly they would give the minimum hours and, accordingly, their salary would be the minimum.
                    and for young teachers, it was not a masterpiece anyway - from 80 to 90 rubles
                    Therefore, men were not found in schools either - NVP (military pensioners with a pension), physical education teachers (losers athletes without prospects who can’t do anything else), Trudoviks (buhariki).
                    If there were at least some decent salaries there, the women would not have been able to get through there .... However, now everything is about the same ...
                    1. lopvlad
                      lopvlad 22 December 2022 10: 38
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      Having cut down the trash for replacing the gasket, having come a month later from the call ...


                      you exaggerate. Maximum the next day after the application, this is if the plumber on duty suddenly took a drink, they replaced the gasket in the leaking tap in the kitchen. And in the event of a break in the line, an emergency gang went out and everything was done on the same day

                      Quote: your1970
                      That is, you understand - that somehow Azovstal worked entirely for waste - spending resources and labor of people?
                      Horror, the harvest in the Saratov region is now about the same as in the USSR - on areas 60% of those sown in the USSR ...
                      Half of the crop in the USSR was lost and stolen


                      Azovstal made metal, but completely different enterprises produced and designed equipment.
                      The USSR could not even dream of modern grain harvests. Russia now sells grain, and under the USSR it bought it because of a shortage in the West.
                      In the USSR, the yield was many times lower due to the low agricultural culture and the virtually complete absence of chemical treatment of crops from both diseases and pests, and what remained was intensively lost by Soviet combines during harvesting.

                      Quote: your1970
                      Dad


                      it is now that even the smallest official is not afraid of anything, but then every official was cowardly for his party card, losing which he instantly left the feeder.
                      And it was possible to lose it if a persistent ordinary citizen of the USSR would have written higher in authority. So dad would pour his daughter in the most reluctant way, so that she would go further along the line.

                      Quote: your1970
                      as a result, the director of the school was brought "Vyatka-automatic" and the characteristic was neutral. Daughter was preparing a place as a teacher at the institute


                      directly a collection of misunderstandings, because the one who is being prepared for a place at the institute is left first at this very institute in graduate school, they are prepared for a candidate's thesis and after her defense they are left to work there.

                      Quote: your1970
                      and for young teachers, it was not a masterpiece anyway - from 80 to 90
                      rubles


                      it was then possible to pay an apartment for it, buy clothes and shoes and eat normally until the next payday. And if you consider that the teachers paid for the apartment and communal apartment under the USSR + money was allocated for methodological literature for advancement in the profession (which could not be bought but money use for your own needs), then it was quite a good salary.
                      And note this is the salary of a young teacher without work experience with one rate for the first 5 years, and after that the salary increased and the teacher after 30 years could easily earn more than 300 rubles a month after typing school hours.
                      And by the way, men in schools were also found in different professions (physicists, chemists, computer scientists, historians, and almost everywhere physical education teachers and Trudoviks were men). Moreover, physical education teachers and Trudoviks were after the Pedagogical Institute and not decommissioned after physical injuries or for drinking people.
                      And the peasants were reluctant to become teachers of Russian, foreign, primary classes, music, because they considered these directions to be womanish.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 22 December 2022 12: 29
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                        Quote: lopvlad
                        you exaggerate .Maximum next day after bid

                        Oh yeah!!! Only me real case described
                        Quote: your1970
                        then - thanks to this "Athos" - we just went to the toilet to the neighbors, and there was a bucket in the corridor. Moscow metro Kaluzhskaya 1981.

                        Quote: lopvlad
                        The USSR could not even dream of modern grain harvests.

                        Well, you seem to be far from the village now ...
                        Rosselkhoznadzor fines every year our farmers for not
                        the use of fertilizers. Which are so expensive that it is easier for them to pay a fine
                        The yield is the same - 10 centners per hectare.
                        Those who are richer mow with Klaas, small - with Soviet Niva lol and Don -1500.
                        The trick is that earlier in our city they kept pigs and a slingshot. There were 36 houses on my mother's street - each had from 2 to 10 pigs.
                        A pig needs a ton of grain for a year - we have nothing more to feed in the Trans-Volga region.
                        Roughly considering that there were at least 100 pigs on her street (36 * 2 = 72) and knowing that there are 84 streets in the city, we get 8 tons STOLEN in collective farms / state farms of grain.
                        Collective farmers were issued grain, but also no more than 10 tons, and they themselves kept cattle.
                        In reality - 8 is the minimum - since 400 pigs were kept by absolutely hungry people - there were no freezers, and if they were slaughtered, it was only in winter and that’s it. And you can buy figs in the summer - there weren’t any in stores and a kilo cost 2 rubles in the market.
                        Therefore, I think the real figure is somewhere around twice as much as 15-16 tons. There were 000 such areas in the Saratov region - 38 * 15 = 000 tons
                        And there were people who had 100 - 200 in pigs on their passbooks ...
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        And it was possible to lose it if a persistent ordinary citizen of the USSR would write higher in authority

                        Yes, they were shaking in the army. A soldier served in Kushka, a party member, 20-something years old, expelled from Moscow State University. When the unit was framed and the full-time party organizer was transferred, Sasha belay they brought it to the party organization. And it was nice to watch Sasha twist the button to the regiment commander with the words "And yesterday your wife came to me again (there was a mistress)...." he tore off the button. ..
                        But in civilian life, alas and ah, there was no such thing ...
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 22 December 2022 13: 27
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                        Quote: lopvlad
                        directly a collection of misunderstandings, for the one who is being prepared for a place at the institute is left first at this very institute in graduate school

                        There was a feint with her ears - she studied in Saratov and for some reason they could not transfer her to Samara. Therefore, she had to work with us and then under the wing of her father.
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        then it was possible to pay for an apartment on it, buy clothes and shoes and eat normally until the next payday.
                        lunch in a pelmeni in Moscow cost a ruble - Seelow Heights compared to a breakthrough in the dining room of a techie - seeds.
                        Therefore, you cut down the sturgeon - for 80 rubles you could eat extremely modestly, pay for a communal apartment, a travel card, buy some faux leather sandals. There is not even a question of domestic clothing
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        given that the state paid for teachers' apartments and communal apartments under the USSR +
                        - only in the countryside
                        Quote: lopvlad
                        a teacher after 30 years old could easily gain more than 300 rubles a month after typing school hours.
                        if - at least in theory !!! - at school it would be possible to receive 300 rubles - there would be no women there at all. The average annual income in the village was around 220 rubles.
                        For 300 - NOT in the field, dust and heat !!!! - men would have kicked women out of schools in half an hour
                        When I entered Neftegaz named after Gubkin, there were 4 jumpers per place, and in ped - 0.7, i.e. anyone who comes with a certificate - automatically became a student.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 19 December 2022 17: 36
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          It was just the right don't whistle, now the youth are fucking settled
          1. your1970
            your1970 19 December 2022 18: 36
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            Quote: Alexander Salenko
            It was just the right don't whistle, now the youth are fucking settled

            under the 1977 constitution, the right to work was simultaneously and right and duty

            "Article 60. The duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen of the USSR is conscientious work in his chosen field of socially useful activity, observance of labor discipline.
            Evasion of socially useful labor is incompatible with the principles
            socialist society
            "
            and for this failure DUTIES the state punished
            "By the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of February 25, 1970, this Code was supplemented by Article 209.1
            209.1 Article. Malicious evasion of the decision on employment and termination of parasitic existence
            Malicious evasion of a person leading an antisocial lifestyle from fulfilling the decision of the executive committee of the district (city) Council of Working People's Deputies on employment and termination of parasitic existence - shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of up to one year, or correctional labor for the same term.
            The same act committed by a person previously convicted under the first part of this article - shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to two years. "
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 19 December 2022 22: 39
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              So was that right? And now he’s gone, my little one wants to earn extra money in the summer, I don’t let him, because it’s one thing to work on a legislative basis, and quite another to face a scammer.
  7. dnestr74
    dnestr74 17 December 2022 14: 57
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    And what kind of chirping???? If it weren’t for corruption in military registration and enlistment offices and medical boards, even with a year of service, we would have had a good mob reserve ... I just have a bunch of friends who disowned more than one son from the army.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 17 December 2022 15: 39
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      They got rid of another half of the trouble, in Ukraine at one time it was necessary to give a bribe in order to be taken into the army if there is a higher education, and this happens. Because after the army you can become cops, SBU, firefighters, officials. Villagers were taken without problems after school, but with a tower, well, if not from a physical transport, then with a creak.
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2022 15: 01
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    The military commissar of Taldom, Dmitrov and Dubna himself commented as follows:

    I have said a lot there. It all depends on how you installed it. You can mount the material you receive in different ways.

    A more specific explanation has not yet been provided.

  9. Sss Sss
    Sss Sss 17 December 2022 15: 04
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    And how many can be called at all?)) It would be someone to call for two years. Guys aged 17 are now almost two times less than men aged 32. And before it was the other way around in the pre-war years of the USSR, when the birth rate was good. Yes, and they will mow much more, for two years there will be fewer people willing to serve obviously.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 17 December 2022 15: 05
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    Is it possible to train a serious specialist in a year, where he has a training battalion for half a year, where he simply learns to walk in formation?
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 17 December 2022 15: 16
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      With a two-year military service, he will learn to walk in formation for a year. If not one and a half. So let's immediately do 25 years for everyone, why cut the puppy's tail in parts? But the parades will be even more pompous! After all, pulling a sock will be taught at least twice as long!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 17 December 2022 15: 30
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        Quote: UAZ 452
        With a two-year military service, he will learn to walk in formation for a year. If not one and a half. So let's immediately do 25 years for everyone, why cut the puppy's tail in parts? But the parades will be even more pompous! After all, pulling a sock will be taught at least twice as long!

        Well done, the answer was well developed. Everything is in a heap, military skill, service life and parades.
        On the merits of the question, is there anything to say?
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 17 December 2022 16: 10
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          Did you even understand what you wrote in your previous comment? From the year of military service, conscripts master the construction site for half a year, so let's make them two years - right? So maybe it makes sense to discuss the required duration of military service in conjunction with its actual content? If, in a simple way, can he teach the boys real military affairs, and not stepping (it is needed, of course, but not for half a year!) And lawn mowing techniques? Or is that also irrelevant? In military universities they teach for five years, but endless parades and outfits, as well as endless reporting instead of real study, led to the fact that after these five years the cadet changes shoulder straps to lieutenant ones, but does not even have the necessary minimum knowledge and skills necessary for an officer. Is that also irrelevant? If our system in five years is not capable of molding officers from those who themselves have chosen this path, have passed the preliminary selection, then will even five years be enough for it to make fighters from those who are not at all predisposed to this type of activity? And urgent service is not at all about predisposition and voluntariness, but even about their opposite.
          About the parades not on the merits? Well, if cadets of military schools, students of military academies annually from March to May 9 are preparing for the parade, and the educational process is going on in the forest, and this year it was absolutely the same - what, in your opinion, will both conscripts do in March-May years of service? Mastering military affairs at the training grounds, or pulling a toe on the parade ground? Answer if you know firsthand about the army service and from articles in the official media.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 19 December 2022 10: 31
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            Quote: UAZ 452
            Answer if you know firsthand about the army service and from articles in the official media.

            I know, that's why I wrote it. In essence, this is correct. The foundations of management and subordination are being laid. I want to say that they do not have time to fully master the weapons during this period. Modern weapons are becoming more and more difficult. The experience of the SVO shows that there is not enough knowledge
    2. private person
      private person 17 December 2022 16: 54
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      where does he have a training battalion for half a year, where does he just learn to walk in formation?

      Where is it that they teach you to walk for half a year? A month maximum until quarantine, an oath and you are already at least for the parade.
  11. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 17 December 2022 15: 10
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    Chatterbox is a godsend for a spy. Note to the competent authorities. Although they won’t abandon their own ...
  12. Fangaro
    Fangaro 17 December 2022 16: 55
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    If 2 years of military service, as it was personally, then ... 3 shots in training in Vapnyarka. And 5 shots in the HF in Yavoriv. I didn't learn to shoot. I learned to walk along the perimeter of the protected object with open eyes and immersed in a dream. Learned to solder brass. I quickly forgot. Learned to quickly deploy PAR-M2. Did not forget. Learned to unload wagons. I forgot already.
    If soldiers are needed, they should not unload wagons, build houses for "tomorrow you will carry out the tasks of the deputy commander for training."
  13. Timur_kz
    Timur_kz 17 December 2022 20: 13
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    At such a time, Russia needs intensive combat training courses, calculated in literally months. Life extension is a formal approach.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 December 2022 05: 12
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    Come on, EPRST! Each lieutenant colonel sweeps with his tongue like a broom, then ponds in his underpants, realizing that he has turned the wrong steppe. It's time to bring the gentlemen of the officers to a common denominator. There is no place in the troops for democratic "values" and any kind of liberda !!!