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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is expected to comment on the statement of the military commissar of the Moscow Region Fotin on plans to return the 2-year term of military service on conscription

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is expected to comment on the statement of the military commissar of the Moscow Region Fotin on plans to return the 2-year term of military service on conscription

A fragment of a statement by the military commissar of the Moscow Region, Lieutenant Colonel Mikhail Fotin, appeared on the network, which concerns plans to increase the term of conscription service. This fragment of the speech of the commissioner for the cities of Dubna, Dmitrov and Taldom appeared in front of the camera in TG-channel "Baza".


In the video, Lieutenant Colonel Fotin says that it is quite logical to return the two-year conscription service.

According to Fotin, the military leadership informed the military registration and enlistment offices that a phased return to the two-year conscription service will be carried out as early as 2023. If you believe his statement, then those who will be called up in the spring of 2023 will serve 1,5 years, and the “autumn workers” will serve two.

Lieutenant Colonel Fotin noted that he considers such a decision to be logical due to the fact that "our northern neighbors are joining NATO." This, apparently, is about considering applications for membership in this military bloc from Sweden and Finland. Finland, we recall, has a vast common border with Russia, several hundred kilometers long.

According to the military commissar near Moscow, it will be necessary to create new units, which will be staffed, among other things, by military personnel of "urgent" service.

When the video was recorded, there is no exact information yet:



There are currently no official comments from the Ministry of Defense regarding Lieutenant Colonel Fotin's statements. Statements are expected from the main defense department.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 17 December 2022 13: 43
    +6
    It is high time........ soldier .........................................................
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 17 December 2022 13: 46
      +24
      It all depends on the intensity of the training. You can more or less learn something worthwhile in a year, or you can paint grass for two years.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 17 December 2022 13: 52
        +7
        I agree .... if again everything rests on the drill and painting the grass. it's better to just give up...
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 17 December 2022 14: 01
          +5
          But tell me, why do you need urgent service? To war, by no means! Although we, eighteen-year-olds, were taken to OKSVA for a sweet soul. as if concluding a contract, one must prepare, and not one month ... Why the hell is such an army? For dust in the eyes, what would it be?
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 17 December 2022 14: 21
            +1
            dmi.pris:... Yes, as if concluding a contract, you need to prepare, and not one month...

            Now there are few people who want to serve under the contract, even in the rear and support units.
        2. dnestr74
          dnestr74 17 December 2022 15: 11
          +4
          What fools you are, yes, you painted the grass, but the infantry fired all kinds of weapons at the range three times a week. And our 276 SMEs were combat ready in the 90s when they did not pay salaries for six months
      2. Asad
        Asad 17 December 2022 13: 53
        +19
        Tired of these advertisements for TG channels. And on the topic, I personally served 82 84 in the air defense in Norilsk. In two years, I fired 10 rounds, at the VUS, the commander of the TZM repair department, which I first saw a month before the demobilization. Two years of outfits, snow cleaning, and most importantly, the manufacture of souvenirs for the authorities from deer antlers, paintings from nickel or rock.
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 17 December 2022 14: 07
          +10
          DMB 90-92 Shooting twice a week .. Tuesday daytime, Thursday daytime and nighttime ... For 30 "spiders" 2 zinc, you can’t shoot all the cartridges, you can’t shoot at the barracks .. 5 OPSN Maryina Gorka ...
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 17 December 2022 14: 23
            0
            Well, it’s clear to us that they shot .. we’re talking about the fact that other units shoot little ... for some time now I began to think that we need to train infantry like an airborne force, leave a couple of regiments of airborne forces, then we have combat capability ar and will rise .. all the same, the airborne forces are used as ordinary infantry, only more prepared ..
        2. isv000
          isv000 17 December 2022 14: 16
          0
          Quote: ASAD
          Tired of these advertisements for TG channels. And on the topic, I personally served 82 84 in the air defense in Norilsk. In two years, I fired 10 rounds, at the VUS, the commander of the TZM repair department, which I first saw a month before the demobilization. Two years of outfits, snow cleaning, and most importantly, the manufacture of souvenirs for the authorities from deer antlers, paintings from nickel or rock.

          Did you serve in the regiment or at the point? 414th Brest ZRP, group, -85-87 hi
          1. Asad
            Asad 17 December 2022 15: 26
            0
            In the regiment, thank God, Rem company. Resort versus point.
        3. 4ekist
          4ekist 17 December 2022 14: 52
          +3
          ASAD: .... Two years of dressing up, clearing snow, and most importantly, making souvenirs for the authorities from deer antlers .....

          Air defense units in Norilsk are border units. I don’t know what kind of part you had there, where you were engaged in homemade products (most likely when managing a brigade, regiment). I served in Karelia in the air defense, our soldiers fell down from lack of sleep and lived on equipment, their hands were always elbow-deep in diesel oil and salar.
          1. Asad
            Asad 17 December 2022 15: 31
            +2
            He served in a regiment in a repair company, the main occupation, in addition to outfits, was making souvenirs and poaching in the tundra.
          2. isv000
            isv000 17 December 2022 15: 34
            +1
            Quote: 4ekist
            our soldiers collapsed from lack of sleep and lived on equipment, their hands were always elbow-deep in diesel oil and a salary.

            It’s different for us, it was cleaner at RTB, but “Readiness No. 1” could catch you at the most inopportune moment ... There was a border post at the bedside table, one division in the group was always on the battlefield ...
        4. sabakina
          sabakina 17 December 2022 14: 56
          -1
          Quote: ASAD
          Tired of these advertisements for TG channels. And on the topic, I personally served 82 84 in the air defense in Norilsk. In two years, I fired 10 rounds, at the VUS, the commander of the TZM repair department, which I first saw a month before the demobilization. Two years of outfits, snow cleaning, and most importantly, the manufacture of souvenirs for the authorities from deer antlers, paintings from nickel or rock.

          It’s good that it’s not like in Tsarist Russia, 25 years old, otherwise they would have become like that artist from Germany.
          1. Asad
            Asad 17 December 2022 15: 34
            0
            Sabakina Your comment is completely incomprehensible, you can elaborate. By the way, are you related to the army in any way?
          2. militarist63
            militarist63 19 December 2022 02: 01
            0
            It’s good that it’s not like in Tsarist Russia, 25 years old, otherwise they would have become like that artist from Germany.]
            In "Tsarist Russia" the service was very different! Let it be known to you that on the eve of the abolition of the tsars, in the Russian Empire they served only 3 years in infantry and light artillery, and 4 years in the navy and cavalry (conscription age from 21) ... 25 years served a long time ago , from the reign of Catherine II and until 1834 (Nicholas I). And starting from 1834, the terms steadily decreased from time to time .... You would also remember the Petrovsky LIFE-TIME service, which Catherine II abolished! wink
        5. dnestr74
          dnestr74 17 December 2022 15: 08
          -1
          That's what you're driving a wave, so why the hell are you shooting from a machine gun? Air defense...
          Lebed's rembat fired once a week
          1. Asad
            Asad 17 December 2022 15: 30
            0
            I did not understand your hysterical post. They took me to the shooting range once, ten rounds. What's the point of lying in forty years?
      3. mark1
        mark1 17 December 2022 14: 03
        +6
        Quote: Hyperion
        You can more or less learn something worthwhile in a year, or you can paint grass for two years.

        Grass can be painted for twenty-five years, but to learn something good in a year "more or less" is rather the second.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 17 December 2022 14: 16
          0
          Quote: mark1
          to learn something good in a year "more or less" - rather the second.

          And what then to say about mobikov or volunteers with their 1-3 months? In the same Wagner, they recruit, including those who did not serve at all. Also, the training period is much less than one year.
          1. Asad
            Asad 17 December 2022 15: 38
            +1
            As I understood from the invitation to the contract with the musicians, two weeks is quite enough for an attack aircraft.
        2. isv000
          isv000 17 December 2022 15: 38
          +2
          Quote: mark1
          Grass can be painted for twenty-five years, but to learn something good in a year "more or less" is rather the second.

          The carriage can be repaired in a day, and in five, but in ten - here an assistant is needed ...
      4. spirit
        spirit 17 December 2022 14: 17
        +3
        and you can paint the grass for two years.
        You understand that the system in its current form will not change itself, colossal reforms are needed. And since everything suits everyone now, yes! It will be 2 years of useless body movements hi
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 17 December 2022 14: 27
          +1
          Quote: spirit
          It will be 2 years of useless body movements

          No matter how the problem started with the call. 2 years in any way will reduce the desire to serve. hi
          1. isv000
            isv000 17 December 2022 15: 43
            +1
            Quote: Hyperion
            No matter how the problem started with the call. 2 years in any way will reduce the desire to serve.

            Everything needs to start from early childhood, to educate, so that they do not mow down the cracks. For example, I voluntarily joined the troops, although I could have received a white ticket ...
      5. YOUR
        YOUR 17 December 2022 14: 21
        -2
        Quote: Hyperion
        It all depends on the intensity of training.

        How many soldiers have been trained? Or not a soldier
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 17 December 2022 14: 30
          +2
          Quote: YOUR
          How many soldiers have been trained? Or not a soldier

          Wagner has already taught a lot. Some even from scratch. In less than six months.
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 17 December 2022 14: 56
            -1
            How do you know? They do not take people there without military service experience.
            You have probably seen a couple of video stories about Wagner where training is taking place, so this is not training, this is the coordination of the unit. As they say, these are two very different things. And like a cherry on a cake. After our army, another six months of training. Class.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 17 December 2022 15: 00
              0
              Quote: YOUR
              How do you know?

              From there. https://vk.com/pmcworld see the terms of acceptance there.
              If you are between 24 and 50 years old and you have not served, but you understand that this job is for you, then the Company instructors are ready to give you more than many comprehend in the army for the entire service. Also, throughout the work you will be trained by people with experience.
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 17 December 2022 15: 08
                0
                Amazing. True, they earn money and not small ones, but the state spends. Moreover, he spends on blockheads who do not want to know and do anything.
              2. 28st region
                28st region 17 December 2022 15: 41
                +2
                Look and listen to what the participant of the b/d says, there is about the mobilized. People served, were trained and complete zeros. Served for most of the year.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSc9yJ5W04&t=1s

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3kB1TkM6M&t=2s

                What you wrote about Wagner is just an advertisement. And it doesn’t mean that they are being prepared for a b / d in the NWO, they are still running all over Africa.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 17 December 2022 16: 20
                  0
                  Quote: 28st region
                  People served, were trained and complete zeros. Served for most of the year.

                  With the training program that these people went through in the service, it is possible to be "zero" even after two years. And the preparation of mobiks varies from region to region.
                  Quote: 28st region
                  What you wrote about Wagner is just an advertisement.

                  Why advertising? With the right approach and with experienced instructors, you can achieve a lot. There would be a desire.
                  Quote: 28st region
                  And it doesn’t mean that they are being prepared for b / d in the NWO

                  That is, the “zero mobiles” you are talking about can participate in the database, but motivated Wagnerians without service, but trained by professionals, cannot? It's kind of illogical.
                  1. 28st region
                    28st region 18 December 2022 04: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    Why advertising? With the right approach and with experienced instructors, you can achieve a lot. There would be a desire.

                    Because it's just advertising. Try to get a job there, I'm not talking about really going to work. See what difficulties you will face
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 18 December 2022 12: 11
                      0
                      Quote: 28st region
                      See what difficulties you will face

                      What are the difficulties? Even convicts are recruited there, and the health of this contingent (both physical and mental) is known. Why would they waste time on those who will not be accepted, but are invited? There are still business people and will not engage in such nonsense. Especially in the current situation.
                      1. 28st region
                        28st region 18 December 2022 12: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Even convicts are recruited there, and the health of this contingent (both physical and mental) is known.

                        More nonsense delusional from Aristovich
                      2. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 18 December 2022 12: 58
                        0
                        Quote: 28st region
                        More nonsense delusional from Aristovich

                        It's not Prigozhin, did he personally recruit stormtroopers in the colony?
                      3. 28st region
                        28st region 18 December 2022 13: 08
                        0
                        And where does such interesting data come from? Where did they find it at Zelensky's or Aristovich's?
                      4. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 18 December 2022 13: 13
                        0
                        Who do you have to be to not know about the sensational video?
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHOnyjsimjw
                      5. 28st region
                        28st region 18 December 2022 13: 26
                        +1
                        Well, I don’t know who you need to be, probably an ordinary person, and not someone who collects all sorts of shit.
                      6. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 18 December 2022 13: 31
                        0
                        Quote: 28st region
                        probably an ordinary person, and not those who collect all sorts of shit.

                        For some reason, you don’t make such an impression, alas ...
                      7. 28st region
                        28st region 18 December 2022 13: 55
                        +1
                        Now I'll cry himself Hyperion (Andrey) doubted.
      6. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 17 December 2022 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Hyperion
        It all depends on the intensity of the training. You can more or less learn something worthwhile in a year, or you can paint grass for two years.
        Exactly! Exactly! To me, who served as an urgent lieutenant, this is more than obvious. It would be just an idiotic decision. But, nevertheless, for some reason this opinion was launched into the people through an ordinary military commissar. The slaves in the galleys have problems with their brains, which was shown by the extreme situation in the form of this strange war. They rushed about in a panic, and this is a bad sign.
      7. TIR
        TIR 17 December 2022 14: 54
        0
        Also agree with you. The whole system of education needs to be reviewed. Once a year, conduct exercises to check combat readiness. If a military unit does not pass an exam in a training battle, then all commanders, from lieutenant to colonel, are fired without a military pension. To do this, you need to create special training grounds with as close as possible to the combat situation. So that conscripts conduct shooting not only at shooting ranges, but also so that personal weapons and military equipment are with ammunition around the clock. So that the fighters feel that they have a weapon in their hands, and not just a box without ammunition. Such a system also trains soldiers and hardens them. Also, soldiers must be able to endure shelling in the trenches. To do this, you just need to drive everyone into the trenches and undermine the explosives next to the trenches. If this is shooting from a tank, then there you need to learn how to shoot and detect the enemy. And not in one area, but as a result of many kilometers of crossings
    2. isv000
      isv000 17 December 2022 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: SaLaR
      It is high time........ soldier .........................................................

      If there is a NVP in schools, before conscription - passing one-year courses at DOSAAF, and the troops will continue training under the guidance of their father commanders, then by the end of the year of service this will be a normal specialist. In two years, grass painting will return, officers in a cubbyhole and sergeants in the face ... Conclusion: dust and nonsense must be knocked out of the military structure, including military registration and enlistment offices, and not increase the number of boobies around the neck of the state! hi
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 17 December 2022 14: 24
        +3
        I don’t know how it is in other regions, but in Ryazan DOSAAF is probably dying ..
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 17 December 2022 14: 34
          +1
          So before, in every regional center there was a DOSAAF .. If they didn’t prepare for parachute jumps, then they drove and prepared mechanical drivers.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 17 December 2022 14: 57
            +2
            I don’t mind what used to be .. I’m talking about today .. in Ryazan DOSAAF is dying, in my opinion .. there is such an interesting leadership, which is in close relations with Moscow .. therefore, this leadership has nothing to do .. the trouble is in general for simple hard workers, everything falls apart thoroughly ..
        2. AdAstra
          AdAstra 17 December 2022 21: 21
          0
          He dies in Penza hi "" "
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          2. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 17 December 2022 14: 55
            +2
            If you have the patience, then read my futuristic forecast from 2004:
            https://disk.yandex.ru/i/I_nCqaRxXkWR6g
            Your suggestion is very similar to the one suggested there. The first addressee, where this work was sent in 2004, was the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. And on February 1, 2005 - in the RF Ministry of Defense. Then the phrase "network-centric wars" was not yet in use, as well as many other things. It was 18 years ago. That's it!
    3. 4ekist
      4ekist 17 December 2022 14: 26
      0
      SaLaR: It's high time.......

      Of course, the only thing left is to catch potential recruits and drag them by the collar to the assembly point.
  2. Sfurei
    Sfurei 17 December 2022 13: 45
    -4
    I agree that 2 years is the optimal lifespan. in my presence they changed the term of service several times .. Only before that, it would be desirable for ALL soldiers to go through training sessions !!
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 17 December 2022 13: 57
      +8
      you need to train soldiers, not craftsmen to paint the grass and take beautiful pictures for rear generals ... if everything remains as it is now, then it’s better to cancel the call altogether ... you see, someone in the country can improve demographics this year. and so really thrown out a year from life. and not a soldier, and not a civilian ...
    2. Esso
      Esso 17 December 2022 14: 04
      +4
      Quote: Sfurei
      I agree that 2 years is the optimal lifespan. in my presence they changed the term of service several times .. Only before that, it would be desirable for ALL soldiers to go through training sessions !!

      Nothing optimal, drill march, what will they teach? 3 rounds, shooting 1 time per service? Dig here, and I'll find out where you need it.
    3. storm
      storm 17 December 2022 14: 05
      -8
      The optimal service life is three years:
      - study for a year
      - serve for a year
      - You've been preparing a shift for a year.
      1. isv000
        isv000 17 December 2022 14: 19
        +2
        Quote: assault
        The optimal service life is three years:
        - study for a year
        - serve for a year
        - You've been preparing a shift for a year.

        Two is better: I don’t understand until a year, after a year it’s not allowed ...
      2. valek97
        valek97 17 December 2022 14: 23
        +1
        yeah, good service, everyone who went from acquaintances fired less than 10 rounds a year. Everyone sat according to their outfits, but they made edgings. How much does it help to defeat the enemy? What about peeling potatoes? Are clean floors scared?
        2 years is nonsense. In our country, they cannot manage normally and saturate (financially, with classes) for 1 year, but you just want to pull people out of the economy for 1 year.
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 17 December 2022 14: 34
        +1
        Let me ask you, what will an infantryman study for a year? Own an automatic? Tactics? The medicine? All this can be laid with due regard in 4-6 months .. individual specialists can then be trained for some more time, depending on the specialty ..
        1. Sfurei
          Sfurei 18 December 2022 00: 07
          +1
          For everyone who zealously commented on my comment: “I hope that everyone who has not been given knowledge by the service and who has only painted grass and fired 10 rounds in a year or two over the years of service will not continue to write their expert opinion under articles about military topics And how to assess the tactical successes of the RF Ministry of Defense, everyone is in the know, but as a question about conscription, everything turns out for service only went to the outfits and marched .. ")) And I will answer your question: infantrymen do not exist in our time like a branch of the military. There are motorized riflemen, tankers, explosives, etc. Second: the best option for passing 100% of recruits in specialization in training, for deeper knowledge in a particular specialty (if you or your friends were not taught, then perhaps this is a problem of training, and not the army as a whole). I met enough military specialists from training courses, which were prepared not even badly. Well, in the third, 2 years were not born from scratch: half a year - specialization, then the second half of the year - coordination in subdivisions and units, and then a year of service and training of newly arriving replenishments and organizing their coordination. All calculations and explanations of the effectiveness of such an approach to service life were given back in Soviet times. It was also indicated there why they served in the Navy (including due to the complexity of mastering specialties and their specifics) for 3 years!
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 18 December 2022 09: 34
            +1
            I smiled where you talked about my service and the number of cartridges fired, and the lack of my training in the troops ... a small question: where did you see that I wrote that I was not trained?
            There are no infantrymen in the troops ... only the war is won by infantry ... strange - right? I’m not talking about the fact that there is an infantry branch of the military, I’m talking about the specifics of the war, where infantry soldiers are really needed, who, according to the VUS, are arrows .. so if you want to continue to cling to words and speak platitudes, then the flag in your hands ...
            And after 9 months of mine, I'm no longer going to believe the generals from the headquarters that they are smart, because they have shoulder straps ...
            Where you wrote about two years of service ..,
            Tell me now, as the war has shown, many are fighting simply with a machine gun, the bulk of the soldiers .. and what to teach shooting from a machine gun for six months? As I already asked ... then teach for six months so as not to bunch up?
            There’s nothing more to teach the shooter there (we don’t have infantrymen)
            1. Sfurei
              Sfurei 18 December 2022 14: 54
              0
              To your first question, the answer is where and when you served. It was a sanity check. I wrote: "..For ALL who zealously commented on my comment: ..". Those. it was all commentators addressed. ))
              And about training in shooting from a machine gun. It was this war that showed (which, in principle, was previously known) that firing from a machine gun is a small part of what the shooter should know during the database. And this is almost the last thing a soldier needs to be taught. And if it’s not very clear to you what a shooter or machine gunner or grenade launcher should know, then read books or read brief comments below (there other commentators describe very, very briefly what and to what extent a soldier should know).
              And Above, I answered you why two years - if you haven’t read it, then try again.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 18 December 2022 15: 21
                0
                Clearly ... the Chukchi is not a writer, he is a reader ...
                I have no words ...
                1. Sfurei
                  Sfurei 18 December 2022 15: 34
                  0
                  And you, my friend, are a wit! The main thing is to continue, as before, not to trust anyone: neither the generals, nor yourself, because. as I understand it, you also have little military experience, and if you have, then at the infantry level :-)
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 18 December 2022 15: 50
                    0
                    Yes, I’m something ... the most important thing is that you (well, the generals, of course) are not stupid, well, they take everyone’s word ..
                    , you write that I ALSO have little military experience, because you are not rich in this either?
                    1. Sfurei
                      Sfurei 18 December 2022 17: 09
                      0
                      ALSO, - this applies to all those who fired 10 rounds in the army and saw nothing but curbs. I, on the other hand, graduated from the "infantry" military school and trained / educated soldiers and sergeants for more than one or two years, and then served at the headquarters of the unit in the operational department. Well, something like this: not very rich, but as it is. ))
                      1. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 19 December 2022 08: 09
                        +1
                        Well, in my opinion, it’s not rich for me to be filled with awe .. you know over the years there is no respect for shoulder straps at all
                        I don’t provide shoulder straps on the basis .. I respect only those for whom I myself know or know for sure from my friends .. and in general it seems that there are quite a few real officers, a fairly large mass of scoundrels, opportunists and still not enough good qualities .. I'm even beginning to like it, not much to tease the boobies, tk. there are enough of them .. most have one thing on their minds - wipe their pants, get a pension and quickly leave the army .. why respect them? Meanwhile, I was lucky in my service with officers, all are military, there are heroes of the Russian Federation, quite a few have orders of courage .. of course, I respect these, and who knows the rest
                      2. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 19 December 2022 09: 59
                        0
                        And no one asked for honor for some merit. It's just that there is a profession of an officer that needs to be learned. Like any other profession: a moped driver also knows how to ride, but it would be stupid to trust him with a bus with people or a road train without training.
                        And the knowledge gained in a military school is definitely more significant than that of any soldier who has served 1 or two years. And even those soldiers who went to war and received some combat experience still know less than any graduate of a military school, because. receive experience tied to the theater of operations or to the actions in which he participated. Although there are also a lot of illiterate officers, which was shown by the fighting in the NWO ((And those who are just serving time before rotation too .. ((
                      3. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 19 December 2022 11: 44
                        0
                        - Although there are also a lot of illiterate officers, which was shown by the fighting in the Northern Military District ((And those who are just serving time before rotation too ..
                        --
                        I began to think that there were a majority of them .. at my work, a former officer works, not even badly awarded .., but the generally accepted opinion is that he is a very stupid person .. he has been working for a long time and therefore the opinion has finally formed among many - he is an opportunist, sly bastard! And where did he study, and most importantly, how? .. here is the question, he did not immediately distinguish the bumper from the towbar !!! And he's almost 60 years old! And where is his knowledge? And I should respect the officer for being an officer and think that he understands things better than me in which, I think, I also understand well? No, quit! They don’t know how to write off fuel for equipment in our regiment, they can’t calculate vouchers !! Disgraceful!! It seems to me that they can't do anything at all!! Rukozho .. py, I call them! But, of course, there is some% who didn’t just study, but studied the matter .. but it’s not written on their foreheads .. and you need to at least talk with such people and an opinion will already be formed, but if you really do something , this is quite good, but this rarely happens, most (whom I meet lately) are lazy and rukozho .. py
                      4. Sfurei
                        Sfurei 19 December 2022 12: 26
                        0
                        To be honest, a long service in the army leaves its indelible mark (although I often saw this in civilian companies) on officers. Example: We had a release in 2000. Most of those who studied with me and then served until retirement to some extent have a one-sided mindset laid down by the army itself. Those. as is commonly believed - stupid military. Although there are competent officers and even generals, there are much fewer of them. Those who left after the first contract after serving 10 years - most of them now head various companies in directorial positions, or manage their own companies (for example, I have my own company) and have achieved good success in civilian life! Although there are those who did not find themselves in civilian life. Some of my guys from the civilians were called up for mobilization.
                        There is an idea that in the 90s we were taught according to the Soviet method, which was better than now. The other day we went to the special forces unit of the Russian Guard and talked with the officers who returned from the NVO by rotation, so there is also a feeling that they are serving time there from rotation to rotation.
        2. storm
          storm 18 December 2022 11: 31
          +1
          Let me ask you, what will an infantryman study for a year? Own an automatic? Tactics? The medicine?


          It is precisely because of such a stupid approach to infantry of the 18th century model that Russia does not have real combat-ready infantry. .
          And the Airborne Forces and the MP fight competently because they are properly prepared, and not because they are in vests.
          An infantryman must be able to:
          - own several types of weapons (automatic, machine gun, grenade launcher),
          - to know the mine business, to be able to detect and neutralize enemy mines, to equip the simplest minefields,
          - master the skills of providing first aid to yourself and your comrades,
          - know the tactics of combat in defense and offensive within your squad and platoon,
          - equip shelters and earthen fortifications,
          - master the basic skills of survival in difficult natural climatic conditions (winter, in the forest, when overcoming water barriers ...)

          Then it will be an infantryman of an average level of training .....
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 18 December 2022 11: 51
            +1
            And how long does it take to train an average specialist?
            It is especially interesting how many months you can study a grenade launcher, machine gun, machine gun (for me, this is rubbish, of course, but ..)
            How many more months does he learn to dig trenches, dugouts, dugouts, burrows? Studying this for more than a month, it's very cool in my opinion) ..
            How many months does PMP study, if from morning to evening, until automatism? It seems to me a month "behind the eyes" ..
            Mining .. how many months? If you don’t drive the “bald”, but from morning to evening .. as for me, two or three weeks is the initial course ...
            Survive in difficult climate conditions, this is generally a relative thing .. yesterday I proved to one specialist (we sat in the bath with my comrades) .. he told me that he would survive in the forest without problems, and I proved to him that everything depends on the initial data ... and he jumped off the topic, because. you see, I didn’t give him anything initially, although initially he said that he didn’t need anything .. in general, I want to say that this is relative training for survival in extreme conditions and shooters (ordinary infantry) do not need deep knowledge ..
            Tactics .. well, here, yes .. you can tactic for years, but is it worth it? These are questions that everyone has their own opinion .. my opinion is that the basis of tactics to teach is digging in, not crowding, retreat, some more points, the rest on the battlefield to quickly learn ..
            And in general, my opinion is that it is necessary to remove the airborne forces, and make the infantry as prepared and motivated as the airborne forces. Why do we need airborne forces if they are always used as more trained infantry .. wouldn’t it be better to make such infantry than spend money on airborne training? Leave a couple of regiments, or one just in case and that's it ..
  3. Foundling
    Foundling 17 December 2022 13: 47
    +14
    Half measures. 25 as under the king. It's the most. But seriously, you need to start by doubling the material and technical base. Then it makes sense. And it doesn’t matter to clean the parade ground for a year or two
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  5. Comrade I
    Comrade I 17 December 2022 13: 53
    +2
    The children of the respected will also continue not to serve, I believe. Only now, instead of one year, they will again not serve two.
    And everything, as before, will be held on by simple Vanya from the factory and Petya from the villages. For the ruling class, there will still be no consequences for their decisions.
    Two years or a year - in this sense, there is no difference without eliminating the contradictions between classes.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 December 2022 13: 57
      +7
      Quote: Comrade Y
      The children of the respected will also continue not to serve, I believe. Only now, instead of one year, they will again not serve two.
      And everything, as before, will be held on by simple Vanya from the factory and Petya from the villages. For the ruling class, there will still be no consequences for their decisions.
      Two years or a year - in this sense, there is no difference without eliminating the contradictions between classes.

      But the selection committees of the institutes will get rich. laughing
      1. Petr_Koldunov
        Petr_Koldunov 17 December 2022 15: 09
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        But the selection committees of the institutes will get rich.

        Nah... the front desk is now a (mostly) dead room. Behind them, the anti-corruption hunt is serious. And just like that, you can’t put money from the outside. Here you need to look for a hairy hand - and not even in the reception room, but at the faculty (but not among the teachers - they are also hunted - but among the faculty leadership), and even better - in the rector's office: rector (ideally), vice rector, rector's secretariat , referents, etc.).
        So the possibilities are not cut off so completely (Russia, after all, laughing laughing )... but it got harder.
    2. isv000
      isv000 17 December 2022 14: 20
      0
      Quote: Comrade Y
      And everything, as before, will be held on by simple Vanya from the factory and Petya from the villages.

      But what about Jamshuty?! belay
  6. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 17 December 2022 13: 54
    +9
    here, of course, there is a double opinion ... if they are preparing SOLDIERS, then yes. maybe 1,5 years, but it is necessary to increase. if they cook it incomprehensibly who, like bed-layers and bedside table levelers, without fizuha, with an afternoon nap, etc., then a year is not needed ... it’s not the time that matters, but goal-setting.

    and so in the first Chechen one, our conscripts fought courageously and defended the sovereignty of the Russian Federation. these "non-professionals" did not have the opportunity to spend five hundred and they SERVED as best they could. although they could not do much, and betrayed them no less than now ... eternal memory to the guys who did not return from there ... and eternal shame to the pseudo-professionals on the contract, who were afraid in 2022 (I mean 500s)
  7. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 17 December 2022 13: 55
    0
    Yes, already found out. The video was recorded back in April. Taken out of context
    1. Igar
      Igar 17 December 2022 14: 04
      +1
      Can you give me a link to the April video?
  8. Eva Star
    Eva Star 17 December 2022 13: 57
    +2
    If during the service life there will be military training, then this is correct. But if the soldiers are taught to march and build dachas for the generals, then there will be little sense.
  9. filibuster
    filibuster 17 December 2022 14: 00
    +1
    If the military service is the same as it was before, then there is no point in terms of efficiency, at least a year, at least two, at least five. For a year, with 5-8 hours of military specialty training per day, you can train a normal soldier in most military educational institutions, and then only professional contract service.
    And for two years, speaking openly, the onset of a demographic hole.
  10. Foundling
    Foundling 17 December 2022 14: 00
    +3
    In the modern world, the use of modern types of weapons (UAVs, artillery, counter-battery combat, and even the use of infantry control equipment requires long and very expensive training. And if you teach not declaratively, but realistically, then it is cheaper to take these trained fighters on a contract and pay 300+ thousand per month than to train the next again without the opportunity to get a return at the end of training!. The times when the entire male population can operate modern equipment after a year or two of military service are long in the past. Without constant practice and retraining of calculations, about controlled effective weapons in commercial quantities will have to forget.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 December 2022 14: 05
      +1
      For peacetime, yes. New 404 is, shall we say, a very large local conflict. And we need a lot of literate people, weapons operators.
  11. Luka Nord
    Luka Nord 17 December 2022 14: 01
    +2
    With NVP in schools, you need to start and so that the powers, like the director of the school and salary, To bark and everyone fell silent !!!!
    We don’t have soldiers ... Soros bastard beautifully financed everything!
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 17 December 2022 14: 06
      +4
      for soldiers to appear, you need an idea ... and an idea in deed, not in words ... what's the point of risking yourself near Chernigov or Kyiv, if then it comes out ... ... ... Medinsky and says that with a respected partner agreed ... people have one life and they must understand what they risk for ... why does Wagner fight well? people there know ... someone for an amnesty, someone for money ... but to lose comrades under DAVydov Brod, and then rush to the left bank faster than the wind - such an idea for self-sacrifice

      and yes, it was not Soros who carried out the "goodwill gesture", "planned regrouping" and "difficult decision"
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 December 2022 14: 03
    +1
    It is criminal not to make a draft in 2 years and not to increase it numerically and not to return the military departments to universities. I would say so, and, perhaps, in technical schools. And the most intelligent, after 2 years, to officer courses.
  13. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 17 December 2022 14: 04
    +4
    but in general, if you want to increase the service life and pull the guys out of civilian life for two years, then you yourself must change. soldiers must know what they are defending and what they are going into battle for ...

    in the meantime, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya is being made crazy from us, who died for a bun and a trauma, no changes should be expected ... those who want to die for Abramovich's iPhones, there are not many regroupings from Kherson and Kyiv ... the state itself must change. and not in beautiful speeches and May 15 decrees, not one of which was really implemented, but in reality ...
  14. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 17 December 2022 14: 06
    +6
    I once served two years.
    I am sure (from practice) that for some (technically difficult), two years is not enough. But for the construction battalion, and a lot of years.
    Military operations show that it is urgent to change the structure of the Army. Urgently!
    Learning to walk on the parade ground, of course, is necessary. But let it be, the Kremlin "troops", and the women's battalions are inventing themselves. Especially the "women", let them "walk" back and forth along the parade ground.
  15. Osmodey
    Osmodey 17 December 2022 14: 09
    +1
    It would not be bad to introduce NVP in schools. I still remember those lessons fondly.
  16. Foundling
    Foundling 17 December 2022 14: 15
    +1
    First of all, the army must be motivated. Either socio-politically, and then the children of the first persons of the state in the forefront rush to the enemy, not sparing to give their lives for their homeland, becoming an example for the rest, or economically, interested in such a sum for which it is not scary to die.
  17. Bingo
    Bingo 17 December 2022 14: 16
    -2
    Come on. The bottom line here is that the main result of the NWO is that a professional army is not capable of waging war. Only local special operations. Read, by the way, the opinion of a career officer with three wars behind him:
    https://shurigin.livejournal.com/888297.html
    1. Foundling
      Foundling 17 December 2022 14: 24
      -1
      A professional army has been created for decades. We are only on a small stretch of the way. It's too early to judge
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 17 December 2022 14: 26
        -3
        Quote: Foundling
        A professional army has been created for decades.

        And for decades he grabs in Afghanistan, then runs in a veil from Kabul (CAC, if anything)
        1. Foundling
          Foundling 17 December 2022 14: 31
          +1
          But it does not incur significant losses. And it does not snatch out in its territories. Which is already good
          1. Bingo
            Bingo 17 December 2022 14: 46
            -1
            Losing a war is, of course, not bad ...
            1. Foundling
              Foundling 17 December 2022 17: 16
              -2
              A lost war ends only with surrender. If not, then it's just a local conflict. Did not know?
              1. Bingo
                Bingo 17 December 2022 18: 39
                0
                American War of Independence. Did not know? BOTH sides consider war. In general, any colonial war, including for example Algeria, which led to riots in France - and no surrender. so you screwed it up.
                However, this is literalism, the fact is that the pro-farm cannot wage a war, and this is obvious - this is the same as winning wars with special forces. "A drunken artillery sergeant doesn't care what kind of training a special forces officer has"
                1. Foundling
                  Foundling 17 December 2022 19: 24
                  -1
                  Well, in principle, a non-professional army can hypothetically throw meat on the enemy. This strategy has already been used. And the loss in Afghanistan ... rather a mistake. We decided to save money. Otherwise, we will agree on this even before the loss of the USSR in Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan. Which wasn't there either. Therefore nonsense. Well, they threw allies and dumped. Delov, but capitulation in a civil war is cool. Thank you. neighing
                  1. Bingo
                    Bingo 17 December 2022 19: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Foundling
                    Well, in principle, a non-professional army can hypothetically throw meat on the enemy.

                    Read the link ... Just to hiccups - in the fall, just a chain of strong points in one line, without depth. 150-200 thousand of ours for one and a half thousand kilometers of the front - and also to the rear! What kind of meat, this is the basics - reconnaissance in battle, we find the joints, we PASS through them, there is no one there - that's all, there is no meat. There is no second line in the rear, there is no one to put there. And in order to keep professionals all the time, in such quantities that the army is suitable for war - in general, any economy will die. Only a call, and only a combat-ready mob reserve.
                    1. Foundling
                      Foundling 17 December 2022 20: 05
                      0
                      Unfortunately, a combat-ready mobile reserve is an unrealistic scenario. A sky-ready mobile reserve, please. And maintaining a combat-ready mobile reserve will collapse the economy even faster
                      1. Bingo
                        Bingo 17 December 2022 20: 20
                        0
                        But why? Call ... Two-year-olds are no longer meat - once, you can move the army. Again - those who have already served - and there is a combat-ready mobile reserve. I wrote everything about it. now they are obviously faced with the unviability of the concept promoted since the 90s about the contract army, so they will return a full-fledged conscription. There is nowhere to run, just like that. I think they will leave border guards on the contract and a quick response such as specialists, SOBR and probably a couple of landing troops, including marines. And the call instead of the double basses that immediately pulled off the war
                      2. Foundling
                        Foundling 17 December 2022 23: 01
                        -1
                        Yes, they will forget everything in a couple of years, and the technology will go ahead. Plus health, weight. then you need serious annual fees at least. Otherwise, in five years, you will have to study again for two years
                      3. Bingo
                        Bingo 18 December 2022 00: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Foundling
                        Yes, they will forget everything in a couple of years, and the technology will go ahead.

                        Well, there are no other options...
                      4. Foundling
                        Foundling 18 December 2022 17: 26
                        -1
                        Then contract soldiers are needed for any new complex equipment. And this is a huge nomenclature. 500 thousand
                      5. Bingo
                        Bingo 17 December 2022 20: 29
                        0
                        In general, it is logical. The same GOR - a group of security and intelligence in the Strategic Missile Forces - is purely a pro, well, in my time they were selected by the piece, there are not many of them, enough conscripts and with special training, such as European medals in shooting with training in DOSAAF, they only teach tactics ... And the rest are just being replaced by conscripts with a year and a half training - and they will serve half a year in battle with a bang
              2. gsev
                gsev 17 December 2022 20: 18
                +1
                Quote: Foundling
                A lost war ends only with surrender.

                Korean War. Both sides still consider themselves winners. There have been no more bloody and brutal wars of this magnitude since 1950.
  18. Mint Gingerbread
    Mint Gingerbread 17 December 2022 14: 21
    +4
    Well, hazing will return by itself. If someone thinks that the officers will be treated responsibly in some way, no, they won't. The outflow of young citizens will increase. Guys think that you can just take and return the old rails. No, that's not how it works.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 17 December 2022 15: 03
      +1
      Where the Charter rules - there is no hazing, a sick tumor of criminality ...
      And there never was a combat zone!
  19. Foundling
    Foundling 17 December 2022 14: 27
    +2
    A bulldozer driver, an electrician, a crane operator do not receive the highest ranks even in two years. After 5-10 years they become high-class specialists. You think in vain in the personnel department they are interested in experience. With the army, everything is even more complicated. T
  20. storm
    storm 17 December 2022 14: 34
    +3
    As shown by the SVO, soldiers and officers are well trained in the Airborne Forces, MP and PMC WAGNER .....
    It is necessary to appoint combat officers who have passed the SVO as commanders of training centers with the right to select instructors and teachers.
    First 6 months:
    conscripts undergo general military training (physical, possession of personal weapons
    and shooting, survival school, honey. training, the basics of engineering, guard duty, combat interaction within a platoon).
    The second 6 months of training in training centers for the types and types of troops:
    Formation of training battalions / divisions, obtaining a military specialty, studying military equipment, combat coordination within the framework of the Battalion / Division.

    After a year of passing through a two-level training system, not individual military personnel, but complete and well-coordinated battalions / divisions, get into combat units.
    Another year of service in combat units and a well-deserved demobilization :))
  21. jaroff
    jaroff 17 December 2022 14: 35
    +2
    NVP in schools plus compulsory pre-conscription training of a military specialty in schools of the DOSAAF type, including flying clubs. For example, the SVO has already shown that one of the most sought-after military specialties is a driver. The simplest thing is that a school graduate must have a driver's license of a category that allows you to drive a special car and be able to use a machine gun. The rest, in case of an appeal, must be received in the training unit within 6 months. In this scenario, one year of service is sufficient. And no drill and no chores
  22. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 17 December 2022 14: 41
    +2
    First, we must decide that absolutely everyone must be taken to serve. Military department? If you want to become an officer, go to school and study to be an officer. At the military department of a civilian university, they still won’t be able to train a normal combat officer. Further. Training in the army should be combat training. Shagistics is not so important, the skills of a fighter in the use of modern weapons are important. KMB is enough to learn the drill step. Well, and a couple of hours a week - let them march in parts. The priority is physical readiness and combat work. And this very combat work should be taught by those who are now conducting the NMD, and not by those who are sitting in the rear.
    1. gsev
      gsev 17 December 2022 20: 23
      +1
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      Shagistics is not so important, the skills of a fighter in the use of modern weapons are important.

      The worse drill training in the army, the higher its combat capability. Example Israel, Taliban, Cuba. The milicianos who followed Fidel's self-propelled gun to attack the husanos most likely did not learn how to mint the Prussian step before. Stalin introduced a drill in order to introduce antagonism between officers and privates in the Red Army and make it difficult to organize a military coup.
  23. Iris
    Iris 17 December 2022 14: 43
    +1
    Quote from Bingo
    Come on. The bottom line here is that the main result of the NWO is that a professional army is not capable of waging war. Only local special operations. Read, by the way, the opinion of a career officer with three wars behind him:
    https://shurigin.livejournal.com/888297.html

    It is very fashionable for us to refer to the West and adopt "best practices". In practice, they adopted almost all elements of the uniform. the rest turned out worse. The US Armed Forces (a fully professional army) have adopted the concept of "non-contact warfare". As a result, over 10 years of war in Iraq and almost 20 years in Afghanistan, the Americans lost less than 7000 people killed in total. Through Iraq and Afghanistan on rotation several times all units of the SV passed. And do not say that there was no war there. It wouldn't have been - they wouldn't have kept half a million soldiers there, while controlling only large garrisons. And I first learned about RUK and ROCK in the early 1980s. Lectures at the academy. Then I heard on different KSHU. No one saw them in the troops - not toga, not now. But there are tons of dissertations written.
  24. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 17 December 2022 15: 04
    -1
    I don’t know how realistic this will be ... but sound logic is evident: an old-timer of the third or fourth shift of conscription is not only the one who is hemmed with black thread ... he also knows and knows more than those who, before they had time to come to the service, already scratching back - to the stations, to the ports, by taxi ...
    Even if the same-year-olds are taught intensively, no one has canceled the second law of dialectics: a small amount of preparation time will still not be able to turn into a high quality of preparedness of a fighter.
    A short preparation time is acceptable for a wartime army, not for peacetime. That is why during the war there were accelerated two-three-month releases of Mamlei, with training in minimal combat skills such as "take-off and landing". There was no time to study there, they finished their studies in the trenches ...
    But in a good way, a soldier must be taught all two years, with good practice, with constant live firing (OP), TSP, TP, WMD ... by the way, and PP (it is necessary to return it !!! And fill the army with political officers again!)
  25. Fangaro
    Fangaro 17 December 2022 15: 12
    -1
    Quote: Foundling
    A bulldozer driver, an electrician, a crane operator do not receive the highest ranks even in two years. After 5-10 years they become high-class specialists. You think in vain in the personnel department they are interested in experience. With the army, everything is even more complicated. T


    By the way, yes, I agree!
    We had a radio operator. After 2 and a half years of work, he received the 5th category. They said they rarely grow that fast. And this is just a sedentary, albeit painstaking, work.
  26. km-21
    km-21 17 December 2022 15: 18
    +3
    Instead of a long two-year call, I would suggest leaving a short call, but adding to it a service in the reserve that is more effective than today. After military service, the conscript is sent to the reserve, where for thirty years he is regularly called up for short-term training camps for retraining and maintaining combat readiness. With such an organization, mobilization can be carried out in a week, and formations ready for battle can be immediately obtained. The Israeli army is organized in a similar way, which has a very high combat capability with a relatively small population.
  27. RoTTor
    RoTTor 17 December 2022 18: 59
    -2
    A year's service is wasted time for both the country and the soldier, wasted clothing allowance and food
    MINIMUM TWO YEARS OF SERVICE!
    How long is military service in the DPRK army? -
    OTO G
    1. gsev
      gsev 17 December 2022 20: 27
      0
      Quote: RoTTor
      How long is military service in the DPRK army?

      It is possible that a long service in the KPA is simply designed to reduce childbearing.
  28. storm
    storm 17 December 2022 23: 06
    0
    Quote from Bingo
    The pro-farm cannot wage war, and this is obvious - this is the same as winning wars with special forces.

    If the Spetsnaz is "front" and can only beautifully ride the "Tigers" on Red Square, then you should not expect victory.
    If the GRU Spetsnaz brigade is the brain center of the combined arms army, the main body for collecting and analyzing intelligence information, if the GRU spetsnaz issues target designation and coordinates the actions of aviation, artillery and OTRK, such a SPECIAL FORCE is worthy of victory.
  29. Kuziming
    Kuziming 18 December 2022 09: 31
    0
    It would be logical to create a normal training of reservists, and not lengthen this miserable imitation.
  30. Kuziming
    Kuziming 18 December 2022 09: 42
    0
    Quote from: filibuster
    If the military service is the same as it was before, then there is no point in terms of efficiency, at least a year, at least two, at least five. For a year, with 5-8 hours of military specialty training per day, you can train a normal soldier in most military educational institutions, and then only professional contract service.
    And for two years, speaking openly, the onset of a demographic hole.

    And doubling the number of suicides among children.