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The head of state listened to the reports of the commanders to assess the immediate and medium-term actions within the framework of the NMD

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The head of state listened to the reports of the commanders to assess the immediate and medium-term actions within the framework of the NMD

On Friday, December 16, the President of Russia spent several hours working at the joint headquarters of the military branches. The commentary of the Kremlin press service on this matter is extremely concise and concise and looks like this (published on the official website of the head of state):


On Friday, throughout the day, the President worked at the joint headquarters of the military branches involved in the special military operation. The head of state got acquainted with the work of the headquarters, heard a report on the progress of the NMD, and also held a conference and separate meetings with the commanders.


The key to this laconic comment can be considered the acceptance of a report on the progress of a special military operation, as well as individual meetings with commanders.

According to sources, it was important for the Supreme Commander to listen to proposals from specific generals who are involved in conducting the NMD. As a result, an analysis of individual proposals is carried out, the degree and possibilities of their implementation, a general assessment of the situation in each of the areas of the Russian special operation.



Vladimir Putin, starting work in the joint headquarters, openly stated that he was interested in proposals on "regarding our immediate and medium-term actions."

On the right hand of the head of state at the table sat the commander of the NVO, General Sergei Surovikin. He was one of the first to speak, highlighting the situation on the fronts.



In this regard, experts suggest that among the reports to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief was a report on the degree of readiness of the mobilized Russians for their direct participation in the conduct of certain operations. Recall that the mobilization of approximately 300 reserve servicemen was announced by the head of state on September 21, and it was completed by the end of October. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation indicated that the mobilization plans were fulfilled. At the moment, not all of the mobilized are in the operation zone. The main part of the personnel continues to undergo combat coordination at the training grounds.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 17 December 2022 07: 17
    -18
    Here, probably, the very plans that some here guessed analytically were agreed upon. But we will know for sure only from the news or, some, as participants wink
    1. Nikolay310
      Nikolay310 17 December 2022 08: 25
      -3
      about "planned regroupings"? Or about "difficult decisions"?
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 17 December 2022 08: 52
        +3
        Quote: Nikolay310
        Or about "difficult decisions"?

        What a sad look Shoigu has ....
        1. Boris Zhitkov
          Boris Zhitkov 17 December 2022 10: 06
          -2
          This shot was taken with a fraction of a second exposure.
        2. iouris
          iouris 17 December 2022 20: 28
          -2
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          What a sad look Shoigu has ...

          It is on him that the light falls unfavorably.
        3. gsev
          gsev 17 December 2022 20: 32
          -2
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          What a sad look Shoigu has ....

          He does not pull, he does not pull to his post. From the commander is now required the ability to analyze, anticipate and calculate the best solutions and not look after the generals. The Ukrainians, at the instigation of Michael McFall from the State Department, in case of victory, want not only to destroy all Russians, but also to destroy the Russian language.
          1. ZVOnar
            ZVOnar 17 December 2022 20: 49
            0
            ...how can Ukrainians destroy a big, great country with nuclear weapons?
            If only from within we ourselves
          2. The comment was deleted.
            1. gsev
              gsev 18 December 2022 18: 05
              0
              Quote from B.E.V.
              destroy the Russian language. Where did you come up with this shit?

              I just follow the latest news from the Baltic States, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Moldova. Have you heard about the condemnation by the State Department and Michael McFall of Russophobia in Moldova, Balimka and Ukraine? I would be glad if you can enlighten me that not all diplomats in the US State Department are terry Russophobes.
      2. krops777
        krops777 17 December 2022 10: 16
        +5
        about "planned regroupings"? Or about "difficult decisions"?


        If only it were not thoughtlessly executed, otherwise they will put especially executive people.
      3. AdAstra
        AdAstra 17 December 2022 12: 19
        0
        About not simple decisions on planned regroupings hi
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2022 07: 19
    +6
    The head of state listened to the reports of the commanders to assess the immediate and medium-term actions within the framework of the NMD
    Five year plans? what
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 17 December 2022 08: 04
      +4
      From the lack of intelligible information for the people in terms of whether to continue the NWO further or not, one has to deal with conjectures. I was embarrassed that the faces of all the commanders were not even protocol, but sour, especially Shoigu, as it was when they agreed to surrender Kherson. I'm afraid that some "difficult but necessary" decision has been made, something else to hand over.
      1. petroglyph
        petroglyph 17 December 2022 10: 09
        -1
        Judging by the way the movement is going on at the front and the blows are being struck ...
      2. AdAstra
        AdAstra 17 December 2022 12: 19
        -1
        Moscow? """""
    2. aesculapius
      aesculapius 17 December 2022 08: 23
      -5
      HPP ended, the hero stood at the stone at the crossroads
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 17 December 2022 07: 23
    +5
    Vladimir Putin, starting work at the joint headquarters, openly stated that he was interested in proposals for "about our immediate and medium-term actions".

    Reporting on the state of affairs is one thing, but to clearly answer the question of the commander-in-chief - what are we going to do? this is somewhat different.
    it was important for the supreme commander to listen to proposals from specific generals who are involved in conducting the NWO.

    Brainstorming or what?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 07: 39
      +3
      Quote: NDR-791
      The head of state listened to the reports of the commanders to assess the immediate and medium-term actions within the framework of the NMD

      all according to plan.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 17 December 2022 08: 18
      0
      I am encouraged that Putin is taking part in the meeting. He has a habit of avoiding personal presence when making "difficult but necessary" decisions. When they handed over Kherson, he was not there. So it might be ok.
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 17 December 2022 21: 08
        -1
        But he personally announced the beginning of the NWO. It is clear that few people could dream of everything that followed in a nightmare, but everything turned out the way it happened. So the fact that some decisions are not currently perceived as "difficult but necessary", it is quite possible that their consequences will again turn out to be ... not quite what they expected.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 December 2022 08: 39
      -1
      Quote: NDR-791
      Reporting on the state of affairs is one thing, but to clearly answer the question of the commander-in-chief - what are we going to do? this is somewhat different.

      That is, while there are no "plans"? "Nicht sprechen" what to do in the "nearest" time? Head of State? what
    4. dauria
      dauria 17 December 2022 09: 39
      +16
      Brainstorming or what?

      Yeah ... Only without brains. For the public, they form the image of Stalin from the film with the phrase "What will Comrade Zhukov say?"
      If this were normal work, it would be carried out often and without the involvement of the press. And this is just a reaction to the bewilderment of the people who ask, "Well, you, supreme, seem to be not responsible for anything?"
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 December 2022 11: 08
        +6
        After the question, you don't answer for anything. Another question arises, why do you need it at all?
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 17 December 2022 20: 02
        -1
        He should have such RAM every day! Or are there more important questions?
  4. Luka Nord
    Luka Nord 17 December 2022 07: 32
    -3
    At the moment, far from all the mobilized are in the operation zone.

    There, the Old Man even adjusted the grouping to the borders of the outskirts .. Something large-scale is being prepared
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 17 December 2022 20: 03
      -6
      Old Man only eat at our expense master
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2022 07: 36
    +3
    "- Where is the commander? - He is in command!" (c)
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 07: 41
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      "- Where is the commander? - He is in command!" (c)

  6. Eva Star
    Eva Star 17 December 2022 07: 38
    +4
    The destruction of bridges and dams across the Dnieper is the main task of Russia. We need to cut off the east from the west. Plus, the mobilization must continue, it is necessary that the reserves are ready for any eventuality. And most importantly, air defense, missiles, and drones should increase production volumes. And most importantly, you need to slaughter corruption in the military-industrial complex, any corruption in the troops is worse than betrayal.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 07: 48
      +5
      Quote from Eva Star
      The destruction of bridges and dams across the Dnieper is the main task of Russia

      no ... we will "demilitarize" the villages ...
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 17 December 2022 21: 16
        0
        Not only, but also cities - systematically and steadily, with feeling, with sense, with the arrangement ... Here, here, on the VO they wrote that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are digging trenches in the center of Bakhmut / Artyomovsk. This is the one that Wagner has been successfully storming since August. It turns out that the Ukrainians for the previous 4 months considered it enough to have trenches on the outskirts. And for now, it's true - it turned out to be quite enough.
    2. gsev
      gsev 17 December 2022 20: 42
      0
      Quote from Eva Star
      The destruction of bridges and dams across the Dnieper is the main task of Russia.

      In 1941, the bridges across the Dnieper were destroyed. This prevented the capture by the Germans of the Crimea, Kharkov, Rostov-on-Don by the end of 1941? The destruction of Ukraine's energy system makes this country a black hole for NATO resources. The PRC, thanks to the conflict in Ukraine, took over the resources of Afghanistan and Mongolia, completely suppressed separatism in Tibet and Xinjiang, built hydroelectric power stations throughout the country, restored its influence in Myanmar and quietly built a railway through Laos, opening a convenient land trade corridor to Thailand, Burma and Malaysia. Xing Jinping has just performed a truly diplomatic feat by opening up the Arab market for the PRC at an Arab meeting in Saudi Arabia.
      1. Alexander Rasmukhambetov
        Alexander Rasmukhambetov 18 December 2022 20: 07
        -1
        We have a different problem, where to pump gas and oil.
        1. gsev
          gsev 19 December 2022 20: 54
          0
          Quote: Alexander Rasmukhambetov
          We have a different problem, where to pump gas and oil.

          So, Putin and Nabiullina simply did not know what to do with half of the proceeds for the pumped oil. If Russia reduces the sale of its oil and gas by 2 times but at the same time stops investing in all sorts of dubious funds (low-profit shares of Western companies and states), then the real proceeds from the sale of energy resources will not shrink.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 December 2022 07: 42
    +2
    The head of state got acquainted with the work of the headquarters, heard a report on the progress of the NMD, and also held a conference and separate meetings with the commanders.
    And this means that he is familiar with the situation and can answer why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are allowed to shell Donetsk.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 10: 39
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      The head of state got acquainted with the work of the headquarters, heard a report on the progress of the NMD, and also held a conference and separate meetings with the commanders.
      And this means that he is familiar with the situation and can answer why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are allowed to shell Donetsk.

      and... and... and...???
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 December 2022 11: 03
        +1
        What do you want to know? The answer has several meanings. Answer the question and answer for what you have done. But now there is ideology in Russia, the cat abandoned the kittens, everyone else has nothing to do with it ...
  8. Konnick
    Konnick 17 December 2022 07: 43
    +2
    The commentary of the Kremlin press service on this matter is extremely concise and concise and looks like this (published on the official website of the head of state):

    Is it written there in the same clumsy language of modern journalism?

    [Center[/ Center]
    ... operational areas ... Lavrov has already said
  9. Cuban
    Cuban 17 December 2022 07: 44
    -12
    the only way out is to transfer the war to Central America - from Cuba through Florida, from Syria through Israel; from Venezuela to Texas; it is not difficult to find a reason, it is difficult to decide to transfer the war from the territory of the USSR to the territory of the United States and Israel; and the third world war will not begin when missiles fly over the cities of the United States - just like in our Belgorod, not to mention Ukraine - but when we will be inactive and destroy what was built during the Soviet Union; we have no war with the Ukrainians, there is a war with nato bish usa canada australia new zealand britain and israel; a coup d'état in Mexico with the help of Cuba and Venezuela is also possible, and subsequent hostilities on the border of the United States and Mexico; Comrade Xi, if he thinks for as long as "our Vladimir", he will lose Uyghur autonomy - the Jews know who to finance and where to make a mess
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Cuban
      the only way out

      there is something in this.
      1. Kuziming
        Kuziming 17 December 2022 22: 10
        0
        Transfer to Mars already, please.
    2. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 17 December 2022 11: 20
      +1
      Eka you jingoistic patriots downvoted. However, this is not surprising.
      1. igork735
        igork735 17 December 2022 15: 03
        0
        Correctly minus! Bomb Texas! Texas needs to be raised in the struggle for state independence and secession from the United States.
    3. Maxim G
      Maxim G 17 December 2022 13: 33
      -1
      There is a more interesting option - a conflict that has been going on for many centuries between countries within NATO: Turkey and Greece. Here it is necessary to transfer it from cold to hot, especially against the backdrop of the global crisis, covid, etc.
      There is North Korea, Iran - that's where modern air defense systems, URVP, aircraft would be sent.
    4. runway-1
      runway-1 17 December 2022 14: 42
      0
      Cuban (Cuban from Santiago)!
      the only way out is to transfer the war to Central America
      (and further down the line...)
      What a wonderful stream of consciousness!!! lol
    5. gsev
      gsev 17 December 2022 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Cuban
      the only way out is to transfer the war to Central America - from Cuba through Florida, from Syria through Israel; from Venezuela to Texas;

      Does Russia need a conflict with Israel? In addition, many Muslim countries consider their main enemy no longer Israel and are fighting against each other in Syria and Yemen. In Latin America, too, they are not eager to replace Bill Gates with Abramovich, knowing how much workers and engineers earn from one and the other.
  10. Kuziming
    Kuziming 17 December 2022 07: 49
    +15
    1. Frontal assaults in the suburbs of Donetsk and in the area of ​​the Artemovsk metallurgical plant showed their extremely low efficiency.
    2. The entry of large columns of armored vehicles showed the high vulnerability of dense formations.
    3. The battles in the defense showed the high vulnerability of stationary positions and objects - headquarters, communication centers, warehouses, bridges.
    4. Fighting in urban areas showed a high level of casualties in personnel.

    Our successes have been linked to:
    1. With the effect of surprise.
    2. With minimal support or at least a neutral position of the local population.
    3. With the use of "long arm" weapons - rockets and artillery, with adjustment from the air or at least from the ground.

    Our failures were related to:
    1. With the lack of means of communication between units and different types of troops.
    2. With the inability to suppress long-range high-precision maneuvering systems.
    3. With the lack of mass support of the local population, the failure of the political study of the internal Ukrainian conflict.

    The successes of our opponents were ensured by:
    1. Massive support of the population.
    2. Technological and military support of the NATO bloc.
    3. Accurate intelligence data, good interaction between modern hardware intelligence, high-precision artillery; actions of small maneuverable groups with good communications and interaction with artillery fire support.
    4. Strong integrated air defense systems, closing the sky for our aviation.
    5. Sufficient resources, reserves, rotation and training on the territory of NATO countries.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 17 December 2022 08: 10
      -1
      1. Frontal assaults in the suburbs of Donetsk and in the area of ​​the Artemovsk metallurgical plant showed their extremely low efficiency.
      2. The entry of large columns of armored vehicles showed the high vulnerability of dense formations.
      3. The battles in the defense showed the high vulnerability of stationary positions and objects - headquarters, communication centers, warehouses, bridges.
      4. Fighting in urban areas showed a high level of casualties in personnel.

      We can see and understand this, but professionals need to trample on a rake ...
      Interestingly, many of the commentators support the reason for the failures of the offensive near Donetsk by the presence of "fortified areas", i.e. stationary defense, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not even have. The same idea with "fortifications" is replicated by the Donetsk military commanders.
      1. voice of reason
        voice of reason 17 December 2022 08: 33
        -9
        Were you there to assert that there is no defense? Once again I say look at the area of ​​the 29th checkpoint near Kirovsk? no defense? this can only be stated either by a completely unscrupulous person or an outright tsipsoshny troll! And yet the military correspondents are not Donetsk military correspondents there are Russians who have gone through wars in Chechnya, Syria and Georgia.
      2. Kuziming
        Kuziming 17 December 2022 08: 41
        -1
        Quote: Konnick
        1. Frontal assaults in the suburbs of Donetsk and in the area of ​​the Artemovsk metallurgical plant showed their extremely low efficiency.
        2. The entry of large columns of armored vehicles showed the high vulnerability of dense formations.
        3. The battles in the defense showed the high vulnerability of stationary positions and objects - headquarters, communication centers, warehouses, bridges.
        4. Fighting in urban areas showed a high level of casualties in personnel.

        We can see and understand this, but professionals need to trample on a rake ...
        Interestingly, many of the commentators support the reason for the failures of the offensive near Donetsk by the presence of "fortified areas", i.e. stationary defense, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not even have. The same idea with "fortifications" is replicated by the Donetsk military commanders.

        Now not the first world. Ukraprion is not a structure for machine gun nests and melee in trenches. This is a cover system, with precise adjustment of artillery fire.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 17 December 2022 09: 24
          +9
          This is a cover system, with precise adjustment of artillery fire.

          Do you call communication passages for observers "fortified areas"? This is an ordinary artillery defense that cannot be overcome without destroying the fire system, i.e. win the counter-battery fight. And this near Donetsk continues for 10 months. For 10 months they have been stupidly chasing the Donetsk militias under mortar and artillery fire. And periodically amuse with news about 50% about 70%, well, this week Pushilin announced 80 percent of the liberated Maryinka.
          1. Kuziming
            Kuziming 17 December 2022 11: 03
            0
            You very accurately expressed my thought.
            Yes, that's what I meant. There is no gouge and a hundred rows of barbed wire, that's what I wanted to say.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 17 December 2022 11: 27
              +4
              You very accurately expressed my thought.

              It's just that I've been trying to convey this idea for the 9th month already.
    2. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 17 December 2022 08: 11
      +2
      I'll argue about air defense. there is not the strongest air defense. a strong point, but the lack of reb on bombers and fighters allows you to turn the radar screen into "milk" yes.
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 10: 42
      -2
      Quote from Kuziming
      1. Frontal assaults in the suburbs of Donetsk and in the area of ​​the Artemovsk metallurgical plant showed their extremely low efficiency.
      2. The entry of large columns of armored vehicles showed the high vulnerability of dense formations.
      3. The battles in the defense showed the high vulnerability of stationary positions and objects - headquarters, communication centers, warehouses, bridges.
      4. Fighting in urban areas showed a high level of casualties in personnel.

      Our successes have been linked to:
      1. With the effect of surprise.
      2. With minimal support or at least a neutral position of the local population.
      3. With the use of "long arm" weapons - rockets and artillery, with adjustment from the air or at least from the ground.

      Our failures were related to:
      1. With the lack of means of communication between units and different types of troops.
      2. With the inability to suppress long-range high-precision maneuvering systems.
      3. With the lack of mass support of the local population, the failure of the political study of the internal Ukrainian conflict.

      The successes of our opponents were ensured by:
      1. Massive support of the population.
      2. Technological and military support of the NATO bloc.
      3. Accurate intelligence data, good interaction between modern hardware intelligence, high-precision artillery; actions of small maneuverable groups with good communications and interaction with artillery fire support.
      4. Strong integrated air defense systems, closing the sky for our aviation.
      5. Sufficient resources, reserves, rotation and training on the territory of NATO countries.

      yes you, just "captain obvious"!
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 17 December 2022 11: 32
        +6
        yes you, just "captain obvious"!

        It's obvious to you ... Have you heard or read about this in official sources? Maybe the mouthpiece of the NVO Khodakovsky spoke about this, or Poddubny with Sladkov, I'm not talking about the faces in the photo in the article ... maybe this is also obvious to them, but the Secret Military Operation does not allow you to know about it.
  11. maiman61
    maiman61 17 December 2022 07: 50
    -10
    Well, everything! We are looking forward to coming! I am sure that this will be an unexpected and effective blow with the development of success deep into Banderlogia! Without the liberation of Odessa, this NWO does not make sense.
  12. Nikolay310
    Nikolay310 17 December 2022 08: 15
    +3
    projects of planned regroupings, gestures of goodwill and difficult decisions have been agreed upon ??? something Mr. Abramovich is not visible in the office ... and Mazepin
  13. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 December 2022 08: 36
    +17
    Less than a year after the start of the war - and the commander found a day to work with the military.
    Stalin from such a "leadership" in a coffin, probably, is already spinning like a propeller.
    1. voice of reason
      voice of reason 17 December 2022 08: 41
      -23
      under Stalin, the generals fought to the Germans near Moscow, looking for his obstinacy, by the way, and diplomatic miscalculations, and trust in Hitler, and we are still advancing with the NWO.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 December 2022 08: 54
        +15
        Quote: voice of reason
        with Stalin, the generals fought to the Germans near Moscow, looking for his own obstinacy, by the way

        Ugums. Have you tried learning history?
        Quote: voice of reason
        diplomatic miscalculations, and trust in Hitler

        That is, you are not moved by the fact that Churchill, for example, directly indicated that the rapprochement between the USSR and Germany was forced for Stalin, but the only reasonable measure in that situation? Don't you know that there was never any trust between Stalin and Hitler?
        Maybe you should study history first, at least within the framework of a school course?
        1. voice of reason
          voice of reason 17 December 2022 09: 09
          -20
          You know, I don't give a damn about the Russophobe Churchill. and his bad opinion. This prime minister is not an authority for me. He went from German raids when he hid in a chamber pot in a bunker in London. Such a vile detail emphasizing his cowardly little soul. Just imagine! !can you teach history outside the school course? What didn’t they tell you at school that there were signals from various intelligence agencies about an impending attack? There were defectors, there was information from the intelligence network. The dates were even named June 22. What prevented you from taking a risk and delivering a preemptive strike? give the order to attack first? Didn't want to lose face in the international arena? and what will our imperialist partners say, yes? how is it that the USSR did not attack first? it was possible, if not to catch German aviation at field airfields and amii in deployment units, then at least bring the troops to full combat readiness. Yes, it’s elementary to at least occupy the “Stalin Line” for which so much labor and money of the people were squandered, by garrisons and not leave half empty. alert aviation, withdraw mechanized corps from their bases, etc. For some reason, Kuznetsov from the fleets ventured to do the same. And what got in the way? diplomatic fears and confidence in Hitler. "do not succumb to provocations. fire, only return" Pretty approach, right? In general, I have no desire to raise your level of historical education. and explain how it happened. If you want to make an infallible strategist out of Stalin who is not responsible for the collapse of June 22 and the first months of the war, please. I think this approach is stupid and primitive, but to each his own. In the end, the result is obvious. We are fighting on the offensive and annexing new territories to Russia. we crush the enemy in a foreign land. And the great strategist Stalin stopped the Germans under the Muscovites and was able to create a radical change in the war on the Volga. On the Volga. Here's how to figure out who's more efficient. The Reich that then that now is the same, I will say more now, on the side of the Reich, the Anglo-Saxons are also fighting.
          1. Mihail0221
            Mihail0221 17 December 2022 09: 40
            +10
            What didn’t they tell you at school that there were signals from various intelligence agencies about an impending attack? There were defectors, there was information from the intelligence network. The dates were even named June 22. What prevented you from taking a risk and delivering a preemptive strike? give the order to attack first? Didn't want to lose face in the international arena? and what will our imperialist partners say, yes?
            Supported you often. But sorry, this is just some kind of sur write. There is a story, and here it is simply unacceptable for me to agree with you. And I was more interested in the history of the Great Patriotic War than a school course. What you list does not even want to comment.
          2. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 17 December 2022 11: 02
            +11
            Quote: voice of reason
            He went from German raids when he hid in a chamber pot in a bunker in London.

            And where should it be?
            Quote: voice of reason
            What didn’t they tell you at school that there were signals from various intelligence agencies about an impending attack? There were defectors, there was information from the intelligence network. The dates were even named June 22.

            It was so. True, the school did not tell that the same Ramsay reported five (!) Possible dates for the German attack.
            Quote: voice of reason
            What prevented you from taking a risk and delivering a preemptive strike? give the order to attack first?

            Rezun read?

            Quote: voice of reason
            In general, I have no desire to raise your level of historical education.

            Better take care of yours.
            Quote: voice of reason
            I think this approach is stupid and primitive

            You are definitely an expert in this! Especially in the primitive.
            Quote: voice of reason
            In the end, the result is obvious. We fight on the offensive and annex new territories to Russia

            Are you talking about Kherson?
            In fact, there really is a profound difference between the mistakes of the General Staff under Stalin and now. Then they considered the enemy stronger. According to their estimates, the Wehrmacht had 300 combat-ready divisions, of which about 150 were on our border. Obviously, no one in their right mind with half the available forces would start a war. In reality, the Germans had no more than 200 divisions, and the most combat-ready ones were already deployed in Poland.
            And when planning the NMD, for some reason, they decided that the enemy was weak and, seeing the victorious Russian troops, would immediately run to surrender ... did not run.
            So we are "advancing" from Kyiv, from Kharkov and from Kherson. Donbass as hollowed from artillery and continue. Our strategic reserves are securely blocked in Western banks, Nord Stream has been undermined, and Ukraine continues to earn on the transit of our gas.
            Quote: voice of reason
            Reich what then what now the same

            Don't talk nonsense, it hurts! That Reich would have devoured us without straining!
            Quote: voice of reason
            Here's how to figure out who's more efficient.

            fool
            1. gsev
              gsev 17 December 2022 20: 53
              0
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Our strategic reserves are securely blocked in Western banks, Nord Stream has been undermined, and Ukraine continues to earn on the transit of our gas.

              Russia has the opportunity to reorient itself towards China. Chinese products are no worse than German ones and are 2 times cheaper. Such a reorientation makes foreign trade twice as profitable for Russia and can quickly compensate for Nabiullina's $2 billion gift to the West. In addition, this is a reason for Putin to remove Nabiullina, who is still trying to get money out of Russia and does not make attempts to financially stimulate designers in Russia by starting to pay them sane and not beggarly salaries.
              1. Senior seaman
                Senior seaman 17 December 2022 21: 12
                +1
                Quote: gsev
                Chinese products are no worse than German ones and are 2 times cheaper.

                Name me a Chinese car that is no worse than a German classmate and costs we cheaper than the same classmate before the start of the SVO.
                No, I am aware that in China they cost twice or even cheaper than ours, but what is our profit?
                Quote: gsev
                In addition, this is a reason for Putin to remove Nabiullina,

                It would be interesting to see.
                So far, there have been three hundred billion reasons, but Elvira Sakhipzadovna is still there.
          3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 December 2022 12: 34
            +6
            Quote: voice of reason
            you know, I don't give a damn about the Russophobe Churchill

            That is, you absolutely do not care that Churchill, being a Russophobe, nevertheless undertakes to assert that:
            1) For several years before the war, the USSR struggled to create an Anglo-French-Soviet military alliance similar to the Entente
            2) The indicated undertaking of the USSR failed solely due to the short-sighted policy of England and France, and Churchill considers the rejection of the new Entente a gross mistake by Chamberlain and Daladier
            3) Rejection of the alliance with the USSR + betrayal of an ally (Czechoslovakia, Munich agreement) showed the inability of England and France to negotiate
            4) All of the above made the pact between the USSR and Germany not only a reasonable, but the only possible policy
            5) The governments of England and France are guilty of the pact between the USSR and Germany
            You, obviously, are also not worried about the fact that in all this the national official history is absolutely in solidarity with Churchill.
            But you have your own story. Gleaned, judging by your remarks, from publications of the "AIDS-INFO" level
            Quote: voice of reason
            There were defectors, there was information from the intelligence network. The dates were even named June 22. What prevented you from taking a risk and delivering a preemptive strike? give the order to attack first? Didn't want to lose face in the international arena?

            The fact that you ask such questions only speaks of your dense ignorance of history.
            The USSR had a plan for a preemptive strike, of course. A preemptive strike as a strategy against Germany has existed since the time of Tsar Peas, this is exactly how the Russian Imperial Army acted in WWI. The essence of this boiled down to the following - since the Germans lived more compactly, they, subject to the simultaneous start of mobilization with Russia / the USSR, deployed their army at our borders a few weeks earlier - we have a trite transport shoulder more. That is, the strategic initiative initially remained with the German. That is why, and in order to prevent this, both the Russian Empire and the USSR had a relatively small number of troops deployed close to the states on the border. Their task was to mobilize in a couple of days (replenishing the states with local ones) and launch a preventive strike, which would complicate the deployment of the German army and win for us these three or four weeks to mobilize and deploy the main forces. And then there will be a fight in full force.
            But in 1941, things didn't go according to plan. Firstly, no one could have imagined that France would merge in a month. Secondly, Germany mobilized its army back in 1939, and after the defeat of France did not announce demobilization.
            Thus, our intelligence faced a much more difficult task - it was necessary not to "miss" the general mobilization in Germany, but it was necessary to open the transfer of the German army to the Soviet-German border in time. And our reconnaissance failed miserably in this task - it revealed a large concentration of the Wehrmacht near our borders, when they had already gathered under 90 divisions, and a preventive strike with the available forces lost all military meaning. Moreover, it was still necessary to prepare for a preventive strike in advance - the troops in our border corps were located at a depth of up to 400 km (in peacetime). And trying to assemble an attacking fist from them under the "supervision" of large and deployed German forces was completely pointless, and could also push Hitler to war.
            As the respected Ivan Ochenkov quite rightly writes to you
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            According to their estimates, the Wehrmacht had 300 combat-ready divisions, of which about 150 were on our border. Obviously, no one in their right mind with half the available forces would start a war. In reality, the Germans had no more than 200 divisions, and the most combat-ready ones were already deployed in Poland.

            That is, intelligence was mistaken in everything - and in the number of German troops (very rudely) and slept through their deployment at our borders.
            And you don't know any of this. Therefore, I am writing to you - start studying history from school textbooks. This is just your level.
    2. Chronos
      Chronos 17 December 2022 10: 15
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Less than a year after the start of the war - and the commander found a day to work with the military.
      Stalin from such a "leadership" in a coffin, probably, is already spinning like a propeller.

      To be fair, not working with the military on camera means no work. According to indirect signs, the Supreme Commander receives reports regularly and gives instructions too.
      Most importantly, has anyone noticed how many directions there are now and who is in command? Muratov was?
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 17 December 2022 11: 37
        +2
        Most importantly, has anyone noticed how many directions there are now and who is in command? Muratov was?

        How can you tell how many directions? operational or operational wassat ... only count on the heads of those present hi
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 17 December 2022 12: 21
          0
          So I'm interested. Suddenly who counted?
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 December 2022 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: Chronos
        To be fair, not working with the military on camera means no work.

        Absolutely agree. But the whole point is that when the commander-in-chief works a lot, and not on camera, information about one day of such work is not presented with such pomp
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 17 December 2022 20: 11
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Quote: Chronos
          To be fair, not working with the military on camera means no work.

          Absolutely agree. But the whole point is that when the commander-in-chief works a lot, and not on camera, information about one day of such work is not presented with such pomp

          As a matter of fact, real reports and work with commanders are definitely not for the camera. Now someone has decided that PR is not enough. Well, this is my opinion.
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 December 2022 10: 43
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Less than a year after the start of the war - and the commander found a day to work with the military.
      Stalin from such a "leadership" in a coffin, probably, is already spinning like a propeller.

      according to my estimates, somewhere around 11000 rpm, like a lawn mower ...
    4. sadam2
      sadam2 17 December 2022 13: 12
      +3
      This year I refused to go to the Duma from the annual message, I refused to communicate with journalists annually by the end of the year ... like there’s nothing special to say there are more important things to do
  14. yuriy55
    yuriy55 17 December 2022 08: 47
    +8
    I understand everything!!! Even the fact that Surovikin has no less worries than Gerasimov, but stop Either the angle of the photo is unimportant, or the moment is unsuccessful, but Surovikin looks cheerful there, and these two from above (such an impression) - they drank all night before the hearing ...
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 17 December 2022 09: 38
      -1
      and these two from above (such an impression) - they drank all night before the hearing ...

      Or maybe ..., which the military commissar in the "DMB" promised to teach the recruit, sending him to the Airborne Forces.
    2. Mihail0221
      Mihail0221 17 December 2022 09: 43
      +2
      Either the angle of the photo is unimportant, or the moment is unsuccessful, but Surovikin looks cheerful there, and these two from above (such an impression) - they drank all night before the hearing ...
      Well, according to the results of the war, there will be a new Minister of Defense. So you've named a candidate. lol
  15. Million
    Million 17 December 2022 09: 07
    +3
    Does the head of state listen to reports every 2 months?
    It is high time for him to retire.
  16. Hindu
    Hindu 17 December 2022 09: 24
    +5
    Quote from Luka Nord
    At the moment, far from all the mobilized are in the operation zone.

    There, the Old Man even adjusted the grouping to the borders of the outskirts .. Something large-scale is being prepared

    Why do you think that Lukashenka is so stupid as to participate in some kind of muddy adventures? He just now, and so, barely sat on a stool. Belarusians will not eat any game even if it is carried on serious cabbage soup.
  17. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 17 December 2022 09: 33
    +2
    There was a great reason to ask the GDP - when the agreements behind the army's back will end and finally they will be allowed to hit at full strength with all types of weapons without limiting the range of targets. On bridges across the Dnieper, along the Beskydy tunnel.
  18. Plover
    Plover 17 December 2022 12: 01
    0
    Here it is important to understand - for whom this "meeting" was. It seems that the main target audience is not the civilian population, but the military, primarily involved in the NWO. If it were for civilians, it would not be emphasized that the commander-in-chief listened to considerations and proposals regarding short- and medium-term actions. It seems that such a wording is important precisely for the military. For a civilian audience, it would be worded differently.
  19. tranquil
    tranquil 17 December 2022 12: 28
    +2
    It would be nice if one of these strategists and effective managers eventually answered for the super-strategy, "the army has everything" and other "one and a half million sets of uniforms." It's military time, it's time to ask accordingly.
  20. Mishka78
    Mishka78 17 December 2022 12: 48
    +5
    He would not listen to the commanders, but at least the battalion link. How does it fight on the ground. What about the supply, what about the interaction of the military branches, what about the moral and psychological state of the troops ..
    And the commander gives that information that will not harm him.
    1. Oleg Yurievich Krivoshein
      Oleg Yurievich Krivoshein 17 December 2022 22: 27
      0
      Quote: Mishka78

      And the commander gives that information that will not harm him.

      Why ruin your face? It is one thing to make reports that please oneself, it is another thing to be responsible for the true state of things.
      Quote: Mishka78
      What about the supply, what about the interaction of the military branches, what about the moral and psychological state of the troops ..

      Like, it's all right. Thanks to the kind people who help our fighters with thermal imagers and night vision devices, finally with warm uniforms. I wonder how the support commander will report?
  21. Kuziming
    Kuziming 17 December 2022 13: 02
    +2
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Quote from Kuziming
    1. Frontal assaults in the suburbs of Donetsk and in the area of ​​the Artemovsk metallurgical plant showed their extremely low efficiency.
    2. The entry of large columns of armored vehicles showed the high vulnerability of dense formations.
    3. The battles in the defense showed the high vulnerability of stationary positions and objects - headquarters, communication centers, warehouses, bridges.
    4. Fighting in urban areas showed a high level of casualties in personnel.

    Our successes have been linked to:
    1. With the effect of surprise.
    2. With minimal support or at least a neutral position of the local population.
    3. With the use of "long arm" weapons - rockets and artillery, with adjustment from the air or at least from the ground.

    Our failures were related to:
    1. With the lack of means of communication between units and different types of troops.
    2. With the inability to suppress long-range high-precision maneuvering systems.
    3. With the lack of mass support of the local population, the failure of the political study of the internal Ukrainian conflict.

    The successes of our opponents were ensured by:
    1. Massive support of the population.
    2. Technological and military support of the NATO bloc.
    3. Accurate intelligence data, good interaction between modern hardware intelligence, high-precision artillery; actions of small maneuverable groups with good communications and interaction with artillery fire support.
    4. Strong integrated air defense systems, closing the sky for our aviation.
    5. Sufficient resources, reserves, rotation and training on the territory of NATO countries.

    yes you, just "captain obvious"!

    It's not the same for everybody ...
    Let's take Mr. Strelkov's summer remarks. What was obvious to him? That you need a million mobikov. Can you imagine? With all the problems of communication and interaction, add a million people to the front line. I'm afraid to imagine the consequences. Even from one excessive concentration. Plus supply issues. Just eat and ammo. Warehouses, trucks and bridges.
    I am silent about the interaction of military branches, identification of friend or foe.

    Let's see how obvious this was for the mentioned "brainstorming". See the comments below: unreasonable optimists are again joyfully waiting for the offensive.
    That is, they need to throw hats.

    I did not offer options in this comment, but logic implies that the right decision can only be based on the right premises.
  22. usm5
    usm5 17 December 2022 17: 36
    0
    What is there to be ironic about. The enemy turned out to be very serious. These are the Slavs, who were trained, armed and ruled by the descendants of the Roman Empire, for whom we are all second-class people. Most of those who left comments on this article have lived in the colony for 30 years, and if the SVO loses, they will easily live the same amount more. And for those who participated in this meeting, there is no turning back. As they said in one famous film: "Either I will take her to the law office, or she will take me to the prosecutor."
    1. cmax
      cmax 17 December 2022 22: 00
      0
      Quote from usm5
      Most of those who left comments on this article have lived in the colony for 30 years, and if the SVO loses, they will easily live the same amount more.

      Yes, you are an optimist. These guys, if they come to us, will show themselves in all their "glory". Bandera, they are Bandera. Everyone will remember, starting from the time of Catherine, and it will not seem enough to you either.
  23. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 December 2022 18: 56
    0
    Finally, the ice has broken! So that it doesn’t turn out as it was before: “every general for himself - and as a result: no one is responsible for an ALMOST COMPLETE FAILURE, and everyone else does not need it (or silently obey)” - since the president has abstained from the NWO.

    I hope they will finally think over a plan for the encirclement, and not for us to storm the fortifications "head on", which leads to high losses and an endless operation.
  24. Veter5757
    Veter5757 17 December 2022 19: 14
    +2
    I just want a photo where Shoigu and Gerasimov sign:
    TWO DEBILS - THIS IS FORCE!!!
    1. gsev
      gsev 17 December 2022 21: 13
      0
      Quote from Veter5757
      I just want a photo where Shoigu and Gerasimov sign:
      TWO DEBILS - THIS IS FORCE!!!

      Gerasimov did not allow failures like those that Chief of the General Staff Zhukov committed in 1941. The war is on the territory of the enemy the first year of the war. Perhaps the commander of the transmission link in the form of Shoigu is simply a hindrance. At one time, Stalin abolished the commissars in the Red Army, lowering their status to political officer. Perhaps a similar procedure should be carried out with effective managers. Shoigu will become a special officer in the General Staff, Nabiullina an auditor in the Ministry of Finance. She knows how to count money, but she has not learned how to spend and invest.
  25. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 December 2022 20: 22
    0
    Confirmation - in the news:
    https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-12-17/443657-vladimir_putin_zaslushal_doklady_komanduyuschih_na_kazhdom_operatsionnom_napravlenii_svo

    Already discussing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLq0ZSllAxA
  26. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 December 2022 20: 27
    0
    Well, what's wrong with us?
    A tool magically appeared in production. What is electric, what is pneumatic.
    I personally prefer pneumatic. He works for hours. He doesn't give a damn. The main thing is that oil should not be forgotten to drip in the morning, for example. Better - in the evening / in the evening.
    No electric Bosch can withstand such loads.
    And to us, to sharpen, not to sharpen. Sections to do ... Do not redo ..
    I generally suggested in the light of recent events. Shouldn't we be re-profiled into the production of pontoons? Self-propelled including.
    I feel with my heart that they will be in demand. Don't go to grandma's...
  27. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 December 2022 20: 53
    0
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    What a sad look Shoigu has ....

    Apparently before this meeting - he got it)))
  28. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 December 2022 20: 57
    0
    Quote: NDR-791
    Brainstorming or what?

    Even so, for starters. It would be nice if the opinions of the military differed (rather than tacit consent).
  29. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 17 December 2022 21: 00
    0
    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    I am encouraged by the fact that Putin is taking part in the meeting... When Kherson was handed over, he was not there.

    Do you think it was necessary to confer - before his surrender?
  30. vadim_ivanov
    vadim_ivanov 17 December 2022 22: 28
    -1
    Recapture Odessa, and everything will end on the same day, and there is no one. Although I don't believe in it. The city will be allowed to bargain, negotiations .. recognition of the Crimea, etc.
  31. Glagol1
    Glagol1 17 December 2022 22: 30
    0
    Yes, Shoigu has a dreary look. Recalls a peaceful past.
  32. Veter5757
    Veter5757 18 December 2022 00: 37
    0
    Quote: gsev
    The war is on the territory of the enemy the first year of the war.

    Since when did Donbass become enemy territories?
    Are you from Kyiv?
  33. Olegsv
    Olegsv 18 December 2022 10: 26
    0
    The usual self-promotion under the cameras, as always.