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Ukrainian military: street fighting is already underway in Bakhmut

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Ukrainian military: street fighting is already underway in Bakhmut

The Ukrainian military confirms the information that came during the day that the assault groups of Russian troops are already operating in Bakhmut (Artyomovsk). The Armed Forces of Ukraine say that there are more and more Russian sabotage groups in the city, from which it becomes more difficult to keep the defense in the city literally every hour.


In one of the messages of the Ukrainian military:

There are already street fights going on in the city. At the position for reinforcement, we are trying to transfer reinforcements. The situation is difficult. Even those brothers have to return, from whom the hospitals did not even have time to remove the stitches.

At the same time, Ukrainian units stationed in Artyomovsk say that “bullets reach” already to the western part of the city - the territory, which is located on the right bank of the Bakhmutka River.

Earlier, there were already reports that the detachments of the Wagner group entered Artemovsk. However, then the situation was fundamentally different. Now the Russian troops pressed the enemy in the city from several directions at once. From the north, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, having liberated Yakovlevka, went to Soledar, from the south and south-west, our units actually reached the outskirts of Artemovsk, fighting for Klescheevka and Opytnoye, liberating Kurdyumovka and Andreevka. The enemy is not able to throw back our fighters to the south and east, and he has to fight directly in the city blocks of Artyomovsk.



The problem for the enemy also lies in the fact that the RF Armed Forces have taken under fire control several sections of the route to Konstantinovka, which does not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to promptly supply supplies to the forces stationed there.
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  1. Bingo
    Bingo 10 December 2022 19: 19
    +54
    Russian "sabotage groups in the city

    What, in OK. sabotage, WHAT sabotage can be carried out on the line of direct combat?
    1. Sith
      Sith 10 December 2022 19: 34
      +34
      to replace in the dugouts ... the portrait of Ze ... by our Darkest!
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 10 December 2022 19: 37
        +45
        Something similar will be:


        Brothers will again run on the offensive to Poland)
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 11 December 2022 06: 01
          +10
          By the way, about this brow in the picture - the Rain radio station existed for 12 years in totalitarian Russia, but in the blessed West it was closed after 4 months!
    2. Vic Vic
      Vic Vic 10 December 2022 20: 33
      +18
      Go behind enemy lines with all the ensuing consequences for the enemy, except for capture
      1. isv000
        isv000 11 December 2022 15: 01
        +3
        Quote from vicvic
        Go behind enemy lines with all the ensuing consequences for the enemy, except for capture

        The words "captivity", "prisoners" must now be eradicated from everyday life. Either going over to the side of the LDNR and participating in the liberation of the land from the Nazis, or a shovel in the forehead, right there, at the little fox ...
    3. stankow
      stankow 10 December 2022 22: 52
      +5
      Bingo Poor vocabulary. Here also it is necessary to express through a cliché.
    4. voice of reason
      voice of reason 11 December 2022 02: 45
      +3
      it's just undeveloped vocabulary. This refers to small assault groups. Detachments of heavily armed infantry with reconnaissance and guidance equipment. Detect enemy defense points and inflict fire damage on them with all available means
    5. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 11 December 2022 23: 35
      0
      Quote from Bingo
      Russian "sabotage groups in the city

      What, in OK. sabotage, WHAT sabotage can be carried out on the line of direct combat?

      For example, to shoot in the back the garrison of some kind of fortification. If, in the conditions of development, "holes" in the defense are revealed, they leak out, and act in the immediate rear along the line of defense.
  2. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 10 December 2022 19: 21
    +64
    We believe in our army, in soldiers and officers! Victory will definitely belong to Russia good
  3. Anton Boldakov
    Anton Boldakov 10 December 2022 19: 23
    +29
    Finally, they began not to repel blows, but to crush the enemy.
    1. Normann
      Normann 10 December 2022 20: 30
      +18
      Initially, it was worth attracting musicians and destroying the energy structure.
    2. Igool
      Igool 10 December 2022 21: 30
      +7
      Quote: Anton Boldakov
      Finally, they began not to repel blows, but to crush the enemy.


      So "musicians" have always used this tactic. In my opinion, someone at their headquarters thoroughly studied Suvorov's "Science of Victory". Which is definitely pleasing.
      1. nikon7717
        nikon7717 11 December 2022 11: 44
        +2
        In my opinion, someone at their headquarters thoroughly studied Suvorov's "Science of Victory".
        I will add. You are already accustomed, today as a fact - where there are "musicians", there is victory and success. PMC Wagner is a professional military, with the best traditions of the Soviet and Russian army. These are the carriers of the most modern and best experience of martial art (actions) for today in the Russian Federation. Especially in terms of organization and training. Conclusion. Their experience is required to be massively implemented in the army of the Russian Federation, to rewrite all outdated instructions ... But everything should be promoted with the generals and polkans. Such a clumsy machine...
      2. isv000
        isv000 11 December 2022 15: 04
        0
        Quote: Igool
        So "musicians" have always used this tactic. In my opinion, someone at their headquarters thoroughly studied Suvorov's "Science of Victory". Which is definitely pleasing.

        They would now have funding gateways and a wider window of opportunity, such a structure will come in handy after the Victory.
    3. azkolt
      azkolt 10 December 2022 21: 35
      +3
      Here's to you about pushing
      Sladkov:
      DONETSK. VERY UNPLEASANT FACT TO ACCEPT:

      Ukrainian artillery does whatever it wants. And the Russian "counter-battery struggle" is not a decree for her. We cannot oppose anything to the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine regarding the security of Donetsk.

      All talk about our superiority in artillery remains an empty phrase: we have neither ground reconnaissance weapons nor UAVs capable of instantly detecting enemy fire weapons and destroying them.

      Do they know about this state of affairs? Do they report to the top about such a situation with intelligence equipment? We are prophesied great things, how can we go on the offensive with such support?

      Where does this talk about lack of ammunition come from? Why are we again washing ourselves with the blood of civilians, Russians? Why is the path not explained to the population that led us to the bloodiest days of Donetsk in the entire war since 2014?

      From Donetsk, no one groans, everyone just gnashes their teeth in hatred. But Donetsk is doing everything to take ours, all the men went to the front, the population does not panic and holds on. Will we pay tribute to Donetsk or not? Or will we be patient?

      And as for the general situation, we must admit to ourselves and report to self-respecting responsible persons upstairs that even now, and all these 10 months, we do not have and did not have real means of conducting counter-battery combat, our artillery is blind. Come on, take courage and report.
      1. Boycott
        Boycott 10 December 2022 23: 25
        +22
        How do you order to conduct a counter-battery fight when a charged installation leaves the shelter without aiming, because you can’t miss the city, makes a volley and immediately disappears? In fact, this is not war, but terrorism. The only way is to move the vushniks away from the city.
        1. poquello
          poquello 11 December 2022 01: 11
          +4
          Quote: BoyCat
          How do you order to conduct a counter-battery fight when a charged installation leaves the shelter without aiming, because you can’t miss the city, makes a volley and immediately disappears? In fact, this is not war, but terrorism. The only way is to move the vushniks away from the city.

          this is terror, no doubt, but there is a way - monitor sm, accompany to shelter and bury it together with shelter
          1. Boycott
            Boycott 11 December 2022 14: 28
            +1
            This is theory. I can’t even imagine how many resources are needed to bring under control all possible shelters for MLRS in the industrial zone. There are thousands of them. You and I would try to do this, whether our leadership is trying - I don't know.
            1. poquello
              poquello 11 December 2022 14: 53
              0
              Quote: BoyCat
              This is theory. I can't even imagine how many resources are needed

              in any case - a monitoring group with UAV observers to quickly get to the place of the smoke trail, and there according to the situation,
              Quote: BoyCat
              put under control all possible shelters for MLRS in the industrial zone. There are thousands of them.

              there are fewer roads, you can reduce the possibility of an entrance - break up probable roads
            2. Dmitry Tsarevich
              Dmitry Tsarevich 12 December 2022 12: 05
              -1
              Why are you arguing with him, this is either an amoeba or a traitor who inflates panic without offering any action in return, once again I draw the attention of the Site Administration - you have a lot of criminals here under the new law, enemies, traitors and alarmists, deal with them or we will figure it out.
        2. isv000
          isv000 11 December 2022 15: 11
          +3
          Quote: BoyCat
          How do you order to conduct a counter-battery fight when a charged installation leaves the shelter

          To begin with, turn off the railway and other infra, and then iron everything that has gathered more than three, everything that has moved. I would venture to dream up - a couple of powerful bombs in Artyomovsk would help solve the problem with the bitches located there ...
          1. azkolt
            azkolt 11 December 2022 17: 40
            +1
            To the topic, Rybar's analysis
              What is the state of the railway system of Ukraine after 9 months NWO - Rybar's analysis

            Throughout the special military operation, the Rybar team repeatedly emphasized the importance of disabling the Ukrainian railway system (railway bridges in the west of the country, lists of traction substations, substations on the border with Poland, lists of depots and recovery trains), as well as bridges across the Dnieper.

            The fire impact on all the indicated objects is critical for cutting the communication between the left and right banks. Since the Dnieper River, according to the decision of the Commander-in-Chief of the Northern Military District, Sergei Surovikin, has been turned into a natural dividing barrier, and Russian troops are building defenses along the left bank, it is highly logical to cut off any communication between the banks and cut off the supply of the enemy grouping in the Donbass and along the border with Russia.

          2. Vovavvs
            Vovavvs 11 December 2022 18: 04
            +2
            The names of the Moscow owners of Ukrainian railways to the studio: let them openly ban the bombing of their property...
        3. azkolt
          azkolt 11 December 2022 17: 35
          0
          If you are aware, then the Ukrainians are even conducting a very successful counter-battery fight. They have everything tailored for this and the network-centric system and Kropiva, which, if you know, was developed by volunteers. We still haven't got it.
          https://www.mk.ru/politics/2022/11/19/eksperty-rasskazali-kak-krapiva-usilila-ukrainskuyu-artilleriyu.html
      2. bashkir
        bashkir 10 December 2022 23: 58
        +11
        First of all, this is about something else. Where is Artemovsk and where is Donetsk. Secondly, what is the manner of "rolling out" whole posts of respected comrades, and not excerpts, to confirm their smallest theses? Learn how to litter the brains of the Russians correctly. Or is it not taught?
      3. Pantsuy
        Pantsuy 11 December 2022 03: 06
        +2
        Quote: azkolt
        And regarding the general situation, we must admit to ourselves and report to self-respecting responsible persons upstairs that even now, and all these 10 months, we do not have and did not have real means of conducting counter-battery combat, our artillery is blind

        In fact, the SVO showed that we don’t have a lot of things, it’s even scary to list. I still can’t understand how we prepared to fight against NATO in such a way, and even threw some kind of ultimatums.
        If we compare with the same NATO (which uses IEDs), then we have a huge gap compared to them in many ways:
        - incomparable imbalance in the space constellation (intelligence in the first place)
        - a huge difference in aerial reconnaissance (our A-50, or rather their number, is baby talk against everything that flies along the borders of Ukraine and in the Black Sea)
        - control systems - you don’t even have to say, consider that we don’t have them. It’s just that the bourgeoisie have such a level that it’s even ridiculous to rock the boat.
        - communication is the most painful place at all levels, from the command post to the ordinary soldier. The enemy's position is much better, thanks to Western technologies, equipment, and organization.
        - until recently, we shouted that we have almost the best and most advanced electronic warfare. As practice has shown, she did not show herself at all.
        - counter-battery combat, as it turned out, is also not our forte, and the adversary, thanks to Western assistance, beats us here.
        Conclusion. Victory in the war is forged not only by the number of soldiers, equipment and strike equipment with a sufficient amount of ammunition, but by the presence of "eyes and ears". the one who sees and hears the whole situation in the battle zone and beyond will win. Who is informed about where and what is happening, how it is happening and where everything is going and when it will arrive.
        1. fiberboard
          fiberboard 11 December 2022 08: 08
          +2
          In the event of a world war
          -satellites will be destroyed within a couple of hours.
          - NATO AWACS aircraft will be shot down by long-range air defense systems.
          - control systems, command posts, communication centers and lines of communication will be destroyed.
          -Communication at the tactical level is normal, no worse than that of the enemy.
          EW systems are working. Somehow, Khibiny, even an American destroyer was drowned out with a Su-24.
          -But why then do Ukrainians lose artillery in counter-battery combat?
          Conclusion: no need to grab your head and shout, "Everything is lost!", You need to fight. While there is butting on the front line, and not a war using all means.
        2. Argon
          Argon 11 December 2022 10: 44
          -2
          They thought that they would run like Georgians on 08.08.08. - didn't run. Moreover, NATO drew conclusions from 08.08. thoroughly prepared. The most important thing they have now in my personal opinion is the spirit. Yes, it is clear how this spirit is supported by them (that is, drugs), but there is motivation.
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 15: 47
            +2
            Quote: Argon
            They thought that they would run like Georgians on 08.08.08. - didn't run. Moreover, NATO drew conclusions from 08.08. thoroughly prepared. The most important thing they have now in my personal opinion is the spirit. Yes, it is clear how this spirit is supported by them (that is, drugs), but there is motivation.

            It is strange that you were downvoted ... I also think, based on the events of February-March, the original plan was according to the Georgian scenario.
            1. Argon
              Argon 11 December 2022 16: 08
              +1
              Minus without understanding what they are talking about. Possibly and TsIPSOshniki. They don’t admit that dill are fighting under drugs and this is very censored
              1. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 18: 28
                +1
                Quote: Argon
                Minus without understanding what they are talking about. Possibly and TsIPSOshniki. They don’t admit that dill are fighting under drugs and this is very censored

                Yes, and we have a good part of the population does not like to strain their brains. Of which I have proven time and again.
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 December 2022 19: 23
    +12
    There are more and more Russian "sabotage groups in the city, from which it becomes more difficult to keep the defense in the city literally every hour."

    Well, if sabotage groups are already beating you, then your affairs are "seams".
    1. lucul
      lucul 10 December 2022 19: 26
      +10
      Well, if sabotage groups are already beating you, then your affairs are "seams".

      Yes you sho))))
      Right there, everyone grazes exclusively on Ukrainian telegram channels, they get information only from there (otherwise propaganda from Kiselyov), and now they will attack you.
      Like, do you know that we have already lost Kherson and the cruiser Moscow? ))))
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        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 10 December 2022 19: 35
          +3
          But what, money was allocated for repairs with the replacement of weapons systems?
          1. Bingo
            Bingo 10 December 2022 19: 45
            +12
            Well, there is no palace, does it matter?
          2. Pantsuy
            Pantsuy 11 December 2022 03: 09
            -4
            Quote: Botanologist
            But what, money was allocated for repairs with the replacement of weapons systems?

            Now it is no longer interesting to anyone ... it's too late to drink Borjomi.
            True, 2 of the same cruisers continue to run in our fleet, creating the appearance of a terrible force and a thunderstorm of an adversary.
        2. Sergey250455
          Sergey250455 11 December 2022 05: 31
          +5
          Yesterday I talked with a guy who served on the "Moscow". In 2013, they were going on a trip to Cuba. We went on a trial voyage and an hour later he began to sink. Four patches flew out in the sides. Rusted. A fire started 3 hours later. All of course closed up and extinguished. In reality, it had to be written off in 2017, as they were going to. Or stand at the pier until decommissioned
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 December 2022 19: 39
        +18
        Quote: lucul
        Right there, everyone grazes exclusively on Ukrainian telegram channels, they get information only from there (otherwise propaganda from Kiselyov), and now they will attack you.

        Opening and reading the Ukrainian media is tantamount to sniffing in a village toilet for half an hour.
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 10 December 2022 21: 13
          -11
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: lucul
          Right there, everyone grazes exclusively on Ukrainian telegram channels, they get information only from there (otherwise propaganda from Kiselyov), and now they will attack you.

          Opening and reading the Ukrainian media is tantamount to sniffing in a village toilet for half an hour.


          Your entertainment is strange. However, the taste and color ...
        2. azkolt
          azkolt 10 December 2022 21: 41
          -2
          Then read ours, not those court lured military correspondents, but real ones who do not get out of there. And strangely, they write a lot almost word for word, like the Ukrainians. But it's better to sit here in VO in euphoria, isn't it? I now live in Voronezh and am already waiting for us to be hit, how do you like this option? The hints are already gone!
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 December 2022 22: 32
            +3
            I now live in Voronezh and am already waiting for us to be hit, how do you like this option? The hints are already gone!

            "You can believe me, I am a native Crimean, the daughter of an officer, and everything here is so ambiguous with us."
            1. bashkir
              bashkir 11 December 2022 00: 13
              +3
              Even though you are downvoted, I believe you. When people like azkolt write with such ornate phrases "Then read our, not those court lured military correspondents ..." it immediately breathes with a mediocre mediocre education. The rules of good construction of phrases based on the wonderful Russian language were put into their brains, but they did not explain that, for truthfulness, a thought. The main idea . Delivered in plain Russian. For which they are banned here. I have some experience). I know)
            2. azkolt
              azkolt 11 December 2022 18: 22
              0
              Quote: lucul
              I now live in Voronezh and am already waiting for us to be hit, how do you like this option? The hints are already gone!

              "You can believe me, I am a native Crimean, the daughter of an officer, and everything here is so ambiguous with us."

              I believe you!
          2. poquello
            poquello 11 December 2022 01: 15
            +2
            Quote: azkolt
            I live in Voronezh and I'm already waiting,

            Voronezh, Tula region or Orel?
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 11 December 2022 05: 03
              +5
              In Ukraine, in the Sumy region, there is also Voronezh !!! :)))
            2. azkolt
              azkolt 11 December 2022 18: 23
              0
              In Voronezh, which is on the Voronezh River. And you can ask, where is Voronezh in the Tula region?)))
              1. poquello
                poquello 11 December 2022 18: 46
                0
                Quote: azkolt
                In Voronezh, which is on the Voronezh River. And you can ask, where is Voronezh in the Tula region?)))

                I don’t know, it’s you there and then there, so you know better)
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 12 December 2022 11: 34
              +1
              Quote: poquello
              Voronezh, Tula region or Orel?

              Well, in the geography of Russia, understands, only Liz Truss, when - Liz Truss said that London would never recognize the Voronezh and Rostov regions as part of Russia. . We are far from it.
        3. Bayun
          Bayun 11 December 2022 00: 23
          -6
          If without emotions, 1:1 Bolshevik agitation of the 20s of the 20th century.

          The weakness of the Russians in the information war is that without recognizing 1917 as a MISTAKE in Rus', there is no way to condemn the Ukrainian Maidan 2014. Terrorist heroes, the demolition of monuments, the renaming of streets and cities with the names of murderers and terrorists. Yes. But didn't the Russian Bolsheviks do the same thing?

          For simplicity: the Bolsheviks are scoundrels-globalists, Stalin is a well done statesman. This is how it should be in Russian Primers and history textbooks.
          1. azkolt
            azkolt 11 December 2022 18: 24
            -2
            Quote: Bayun
            If without emotions, 1:1 Bolshevik agitation of the 20s of the 20th century.

            The weakness of the Russians in the information war is that without recognizing 1917 as a MISTAKE in Rus', there is no way to condemn the Ukrainian Maidan 2014. Terrorist heroes, the demolition of monuments, the renaming of streets and cities with the names of murderers and terrorists. Yes. But didn't the Russian Bolsheviks do the same thing?

            For simplicity: the Bolsheviks are scoundrels-globalists, Stalin is a well done statesman. This is how it should be in Russian Primers and history textbooks.

            All right! And the historical Bakhmut they have Artemovsk.
          2. Bayun
            Bayun 12 December 2022 00: 25
            0
            It's wildly indecent to comment on yourself ... But here - it's important! As long as "Bolshevik" in Rus' = "good man", there will be "That's not right, guys!" Revolutionary = terrorist = criminal. This one is worse than a saboteur, a pest and a liberal put together. knows how to perfectly use weapons under the guise of demagogy "freedom-equality-brotherhood".

            Until the Russians understand their confusion (Bolshevism is part of it) - they are doomed to fight THEMSELVES! Bribery and state theft are other components of this trouble. They, too, cannot be defeated by "separate" laws.

            I repeat, answer yourself the question "WHO IS A RUSSIAN?" Then you can go into the scientific-philosophical and estate STATEMENTS of a clearly defined Russianness. As long as the "Russian world" is an image and a metaphor, the seethingly indignant mind of the Bolsheviks, including the Bolsheviks in embroidered shirts, will rule.
        4. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 15: 49
          -1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Opening and reading the Ukrainian media is tantamount to sniffing in a village toilet for half an hour.

          But a lot of people like it
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 10 December 2022 20: 19
        +6
        Quote: lucul
        Well, if sabotage groups are already beating you, then your affairs are "seams".

        Yes you sho))))
        Right there, everyone grazes exclusively on Ukrainian telegram channels, they get information only from there (otherwise propaganda from Kiselyov), and now they will attack you.
        Like, do you know that we have already lost Kherson and the cruiser Moscow? ))))



        Didn't we lose Kherson and the cruiser Moskva? No, well, I understand - propaganda. But why bother?
        1. lucul
          lucul 10 December 2022 22: 30
          0
          Didn't we lose Kherson and the cruiser Moskva? No, well, I understand - propaganda. But why bother?

          What ? That is, in 1944, ours had to stop fighting and bitterly repent of the losses of 1941?
          By your logic, that's how it goes.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 10 December 2022 22: 42
            0
            Quote: lucul
            Didn't we lose Kherson and the cruiser Moskva? No, well, I understand - propaganda. But why bother?

            What ? That is, in 1944, ours had to stop fighting and bitterly repent of the losses of 1941?
            By your logic, that's how it goes.


            Did you have to giggle? Like, now the trolls will come running and say that they left Minsk and Kyiv? Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be?
            1. lucul
              lucul 10 December 2022 23: 10
              +1
              Did you have to giggle? Like, now the trolls will come running and say that they left Minsk and Kyiv? Are you really that dumb or are you pretending

              Well ....
              It's about not having to moan about yesterday's losses. They say in 1943 to take Stalin "by the breasts" about the disastrous 1941.
              Who in the armies, in 1944, groaned for the losses of 1941?
              And we have a universal howl for the cruiser Moscow and for Kherson.
              1. sergo1914
                sergo1914 10 December 2022 23: 54
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                Did you have to giggle? Like, now the trolls will come running and say that they left Minsk and Kyiv? Are you really that dumb or are you pretending

                Well ....
                It's about not having to moan about yesterday's losses. They say in 1943 to take Stalin "by the breasts" about the disastrous 1941.
                Who in the armies, in 1944, groaned for the losses of 1941?
                And we have a universal howl for the cruiser Moscow and for Kherson.


                Parallel Stalin-Putin, of course-offset. Can you give an example when Stalin's team "expressed concern" or drew "red lines"? Or Joseph Vissarionovich caved in under the "partners"? A grain deal in 1941? Or "ammonia pipeline" in 1942? Comrade Stalin was a practitioner. The lobby of the "ammonia pipelines" leaned against the wall. Regardless of past accomplishments. And ours? In share or afraid? Shall we make a bet?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 11 December 2022 01: 21
                  -4
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  Can you give an example when Stalin's team "expressed concern" or drew "red lines"? Or Joseph Vissarionovich caved in under the "partners"?

                  gyyy, give you a bag to throw? What's up with the Japanese islands? and with the post-war separation of borders?
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                2. Alexander Golotov
                  Alexander Golotov 11 December 2022 02: 06
                  +3
                  Well, if you carefully study history, then we will find quite a few "grain deals" from Comrade Stalin. Or do you think the famine arose on its own? I’m not talking about Ukraine, but about my native Volga region. In my area (Volgograd region), they also died of starvation en masse, and all because wheat was exported and machines, technologies and everything that was required to build industry were taken from there. About 5 million of our people died of starvation about 100 years ago for the sake of industrialization. You quickly forget our native history, or rather the objectionable part of it.

                  If we close ourselves from the whole world today, tomorrow we will have nothing to eat and return to the Stone Age. Are you the first to run with a pitchfork to demand everything back?
                3. alexey sidykin
                  alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 15: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  Quote: lucul
                  Did you have to giggle? Like, now the trolls will come running and say that they left Minsk and Kyiv? Are you really that dumb or are you pretending

                  Well ....
                  It's about not having to moan about yesterday's losses. They say in 1943 to take Stalin "by the breasts" about the disastrous 1941.
                  Who in the armies, in 1944, groaned for the losses of 1941?
                  And we have a universal howl for the cruiser Moscow and for Kherson.


                  Parallel Stalin-Putin, of course-offset. Can you give an example when Stalin's team "expressed concern" or drew "red lines"? Or Joseph Vissarionovich caved in under the "partners"? A grain deal in 1941? Or "ammonia pipeline" in 1942? Comrade Stalin was a practitioner. The lobby of the "ammonia pipelines" leaned against the wall. Regardless of past accomplishments. And ours? In share or afraid? Shall we make a bet?

                  How was it with the liberation of Finland? And with the awarding of the Romanian king Mihai? And with the landing on Hokaido, which was planned but canceled at the request of the allies ... and on the transfer of a good part of Prussia and Przemysl to the psheks?
    2. spirit
      spirit 10 December 2022 19: 32
      +20
      Ours are trying to cling to the outskirts of the city, somewhere it turns out and somewhere they are knocked back. This is Stalingrad at the minimum wage, so you can mess around all winter. hi
      1. Vladimir M
        Vladimir M 10 December 2022 19: 53
        +26
        That's why in the forehead to storm the city or what is left of it? Who needs urban battles and why? There are more questions than answers.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 10 December 2022 21: 07
          +9
          Our guys are definitely heroes! May God grant them Good luck and Victory and wise commanders!
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 11 December 2022 01: 50
            +3
            Quote from Monarchist
            Our guys are definitely heroes! May God grant them Good luck and Victory and wise commanders!


            There is trouble with the wise. Everything is like Shoigu.
      2. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 10 December 2022 20: 06
        +16
        It’s mutual rubilovo. The situation seems to be leaning in our direction. In a week or two it will be seen what happens. It remains to wish good luck to the Russian Armed Forces.
        1. poquello
          poquello 10 December 2022 20: 22
          +1
          Quote: dmi.pris
          In a week or two you will see what happens.

          before
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Who is HU. Or, you in das ...

          you ist das
      3. Normann
        Normann 10 December 2022 20: 33
        -12
        It is extremely unfortunate that tactical nuclear weapons cannot be used. Yes, and the whole operation looks very strange.
        1. AnAAsd
          AnAAsd 10 December 2022 21: 33
          0
          Everything is possible... There is Putin's Decree of June 2, 2020. No. 355 "On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence" According to Section III. item 19. pp. c) the impact of the enemy on critical state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the failure of which will lead to the disruption of retaliatory actions of nuclear forces.
          3.14dos are trying to understand - are there any bells or concern again, have we been deceived?
        2. Reklastik
          Reklastik 11 December 2022 03: 26
          +5
          Without the use of tactical nuclear weapons, it is generally terribly boring to live. I dropped a nuclear bomb on Washington DC five times. In Civilization. As soon as I developed technologies to nuclear weapons, this was the first thing I did. Good thing it's just a game
      4. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 10 December 2022 20: 43
        +2
        They inflict damage and move away so as not to fall under the return mortar fire of the enemy. In order to act in this way, one must be very confident in one's own abilities, since it is difficult to carry the wounded back under fire.
      5. Pantsuy
        Pantsuy 11 December 2022 03: 18
        -2
        Quote: spirit
        We need a good blow to the flanks, then they themselves will leave, fearing the environment, but for now this is a head-on meat grinder

        Looks like no one is even going to take that good shot. Since a good blow, in my understanding, is a massive offensive with a breach in the enemy’s defense with forces of at least a few dozen tanks, not counting the rest of the equipment. What do we actually see? We are constantly shown some kind of "offensive", where one tank is trying to destroy something, followed by a couple of infantry fighting vehicles and artillery cover. All. And then they wonder why the offensive fizzled out and everyone rolled back to their original positions. By the way, the enemy does exactly the same. But they would try to hold the defense when 30 tanks are rushing at you, and a dozen helicopters are covering you from above. Shredded the general now ...
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 11 December 2022 04: 36
          +2
          Quote: Pantsuy
          But they would try to hold the defense when 30 tanks are rushing at you, and a dozen helicopters are covering you from above. Shredded the general now ...

          You incompletely described the offensive of the 1st motorized rifle regiment.
          Offensive SMEs - 100 armored personnel carriers with infantry along the front 6-7 km. 31 support tanks. 10 Shilok. Four deuces of Mi-24. + art support - 3 batteries 120 + howitzer division.
          Just a regiment. Not a division, not a corps.
          1. Pantsuy
            Pantsuy 11 December 2022 14: 08
            +2
            Quote: ammunition
            You incompletely described the offensive of the 1st motorized rifle regiment.
            Offensive SMEs - 100 armored personnel carriers with infantry along the front 6-7 km. 31 support tanks. 10 Shilok. Four deuces of Mi-24. + art support - 3 batteries 120 + howitzer division.
            Just a regiment. Not a division, not a corps.

            I'm not too much of an expert in this, just described my vision. you seem to be good at this, thanks for the correction. It turns out that the regiment will probably be enough to push through the defense in a small area. What if it really is a division? What are we waiting for...
      6. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 15: 59
        0
        Quote: spirit
        Ours are trying to cling to the outskirts of the city, somewhere it turns out and somewhere they are knocked back. This is Stalingrad at the minimum wage, so you can mess around all winter. hi

        Ours are not trying to gain a foothold on the outskirts, they are already sitting there tightly, there are battles in the city center with squeezing the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the outskirts of Bakhmut.
  5. Leshak
    Leshak 10 December 2022 19: 29
    +5
    Very cautiously, we begin to rejoice at the imminent liberation of Artemovsk. God bless our soldiers!
  6. agoran
    agoran 10 December 2022 19: 32
    +3
    I wonder if the Sumerians will take all their 300 out of Bakhmut?
    There was infa that all the hospitals were full.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 10 December 2022 20: 08
      +2
      Honestly, it’s not very interesting. They won’t take us out, we will feed and treat. Then we’ll figure it out. Who is XU.
      1. agoran
        agoran 10 December 2022 20: 24
        +1
        I'll correct you a little: you is das (was is das), what is it.
        And then I say oak bist ver in pure Russian?
        According to the legacy of the Nazis, the Sumerians must shoot non-transportable 300
        1. Igool
          Igool 10 December 2022 21: 36
          +2
          Quote: agoran
          According to the legacy of the Nazis, the Sumerians must shoot non-transportable 300


          So they shoot their own without waiting for 3 hundred. There is a video in the cart.
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 December 2022 19: 36
    +4
    Thanks to the filming of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk, it is clear that our people are protecting the infrastructure of the city. Only insert windows in the houses. But they are in the trash, and the neighboring house is intact.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 10 December 2022 19: 54
      +2
      "Stalinka" looks impressive from the outside, but initially they were built with wooden interfloor ceilings.
      Quite right. And they burn, respectively, for a long time and brightly.
    2. poquello
      poquello 10 December 2022 19: 56
      +7
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Thanks to the filming of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk, it’s clear that our people are protecting the infrastructure of the city. Only insert windows in houses. But it’s in the trash, and the neighboring house is intact

      so where the dill sat down - those in the trash, the dill people simply do not have enough people to sit in all
      1. solar
        solar 10 December 2022 20: 52
        -3
        where they flew into the trash, in the neighboring ones, of course, the windows were knocked out.
        so where the dill sat down - those in the trash

        Do you think that from a dozen to one and a half kilometers you can always get into the house from the first shell?
        1. poquello
          poquello 10 December 2022 21: 07
          +2
          Quote from solar
          You think, from a dozen or a half kilometers

          where did you get this distance from?
          1. solar
            solar 10 December 2022 21: 46
            -2
            What do you think, what is the caliber of a projectile capable of smashing a house to rubble? Or do you think they are direct fire?
            1. poquello
              poquello 10 December 2022 22: 49
              +2
              Quote from solar
              What do you think, what is the caliber of a projectile capable of smashing a house to rubble?

              ndya, no caliber, therefore, do not break the house)))))))
              1. solar
                solar 10 December 2022 23: 50
                -2
                do you think a forty-five shell can smash a house into the trash?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 11 December 2022 00: 08
                  +3
                  Quote from solar
                  do you think a forty-five shell can smash a house into the trash?

                  the house can be broken enough shells of a 30mm cannon, only it will be long and when no one interferes, then a video of the operation of a 120mm mortar, this device can work from 500m
                  1. solar
                    solar 11 December 2022 02: 00
                    -5
                    the house can be destroyed with a sufficient number of shells of a 30mm cannon, only it will be long and when no one interferes

                    You've already gone to compose whatever hits. Actually, in Artemovsk, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if you forgot, can interfere ....
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 11 December 2022 13: 42
                      0
                      Quote from solar
                      the house can be destroyed with a sufficient number of shells of a 30mm cannon, only it will be long and when no one interferes

                      You've already gone to compose whatever hits. Actually, in Artemovsk, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if you forgot, can interfere ....

                      the task is to destroy the house is usually not set, there are np or birdmen or a sniper and they must be destroyed, which then remains from the house, I think it’s clear if the place is habitable, and what is convenient at that moment is what they destroy
        2. stankow
          stankow 10 December 2022 23: 48
          0
          What kind of military actions are these, in a house with a mile and a half ?? Arty ran out of tractors, can't drive up? laughing
          1. solar
            solar 10 December 2022 23: 52
            -2
            Yep, direct hit.
            The enemy probably ran out of anti-battery weapons.
            1. stankow
              stankow 11 December 2022 01: 11
              0
              It means that a grenade launcher with 300 m direct fire is possible, but artillery with 2 km is impossible?
              1. solar
                solar 11 December 2022 01: 55
                -1
                It means that a grenade launcher with 300 m direct fire is possible, but artillery with 2 km is impossible?

                In order to break the house into the trash, a grenade launcher is not enough
                The enemy probably ran out of anti-battery weapons.

                And what will happen to the gun in Artemovsk, occupied by the Ukrainians?
    3. ch28k38
      ch28k38 10 December 2022 20: 42
      +2
      I don’t know about the “stalinok”, but in St. Petersburg since 1902 the floor beams were made exclusively from an I-beam instead of the former oak.
  8. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 10 December 2022 19: 50
    +1
    Ukrainian military as a source of information? Well, for lack of a stamp, we write in simple. Undermining under Konashenkov?
  9. zxc15682
    zxc15682 10 December 2022 19: 58
    +2
    What is this maneuver "snuggle up to the enemy" ?. belay
    1. RED_ICE
      RED_ICE 10 December 2022 20: 09
      -2
      Armenian version))))
      My comment is hilarious
      1. Normann
        Normann 10 December 2022 20: 36
        0
        And who is here? My comment is a comment.)))
    2. agoran
      agoran 10 December 2022 20: 11
      +7
      In one report from Mariupol: Chechen special forces are conducting a sweep, they are approaching the basement: Schumer get out, otherwise I will throw a grenade. I didn’t get out, three grenades flew at once for safety net.
      Here is such a maneuver.
      1. solar
        solar 10 December 2022 20: 49
        -4
        there are quite a few videos like this on tik tok.
        with a high degree of probability there was no one in the basement.
    3. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 10 December 2022 20: 39
      +11
      To press close to the enemy means to get close enough to not allow him to use artillery because of the risk of catching his own.
      1. stankow
        stankow 10 December 2022 23: 54
        0
        According to the Shooting Instructions, safe fire is 400 m from friendly troops. At the training ground, there was a case of a heavy fragment the size of a fist flew from a gap at 600 m.
    4. ch28k38
      ch28k38 10 December 2022 20: 43
      0
      This is solely to ensure that thrown grenades fly behind your back.
  10. ananias mudishev
    ananias mudishev 10 December 2022 20: 17
    +8
    In Volyn, on the border with the Brest region, there is Lake Pesochnoye, on the shore there is a camp site "medic", in peacetime, they rested there from Lviv. Now there are units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I don’t know how many people, apparently those who are waiting for an attack from Belarus (infa 146%, relatives live there). So if anyone from MO reads, keep in mind
    1. Igool
      Igool 10 December 2022 21: 42
      +1
      The cart contains data on "interesting" objects with reference to coordinates, but often the voice is not always heard. Or the command decides not to hit for some reason on these objects.
      1. solar
        solar 10 December 2022 22: 38
        -1
        Either he does not pay attention, suspecting that this is a conscious or accidental disinformation. Shoot, and there is a children's camp, for example. And all over the world will watch videos with photos. Here, for example, this respected participant before that suggested
        Why don't our pilots bomb the building on Frunzenskaya Embankment in Moscow

        Do you think you need to start working on goals in order? smile
  11. FLINT Morgan
    FLINT Morgan 10 December 2022 20: 32
    -6
    Assault Sabotage Groups ... that's what the Russian troops lack when attacking settlements. An excellent tool against Bender and Vlasov
    1. ch28k38
      ch28k38 10 December 2022 20: 45
      +3
      Instead, exclusively Buryat armored cavalry is used.
  12. solar
    solar 10 December 2022 20: 46
    +1
    The Ukrainian military confirm the information that came during the day that assault groups Russian troops are already operating in Bakhmut (Artyomovsk). The Armed Forces of Ukraine say that Russian "sabotage groups more and more in the city

    Sabotage and assault are far from the same thing.
  13. valera75
    valera75 10 December 2022 20: 52
    +1
    Quote: agoran
    I wonder if the Sumerians will take all their 300 out of Bakhmut?
    There was infa that all the hospitals were full.

    As they write in the topic, they drive the 300s from the hospital without removing the stitches from the wounds to the front.
  14. maxim1987
    maxim1987 10 December 2022 21: 11
    0
    Quote: ch28k38
    I don’t know about the “stalinok”, but in St. Petersburg since 1902 the floor beams were made exclusively from an I-beam instead of the former oak.

    We are tearing down the old school. Ceilings, oak 300mm carriage, barely broke
    1. Igool
      Igool 10 December 2022 21: 46
      +2
      Quote: maximNNX
      Ceilings, oak carriage 300mm,


      You just need to understand that the capital is one thing, and it is quite another thing somewhere on the outskirts, where contractors can save on materials. What is now, what is before the revolution, nothing has changed in this.
  15. maiman61
    maiman61 10 December 2022 21: 21
    +2
    What is good is that the Wagnerites take almost no prisoners! It is perfectly! Am I obliged to feed Bandera in captivity? No Bandera, no problem!
    1. solar
      solar 10 December 2022 21: 49
      -5
      Are you talking about that Wagnerian who wandered around with a machine gun near Rostov, shooting at the police? It is unlikely that there were Bandera.
      1. Horon
        Horon 10 December 2022 22: 02
        +3
        Yes, and now he is unlikely to live up to retirement.
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 16: 07
      0
      Quote: maiman61
      What is good is that the Wagnerites take almost no prisoners! It is perfectly! Am I obliged to feed Bandera in captivity? No Bandera, no problem!

      Is that what they told you? Or well-wishers on behalf of "musicians" ...
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    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 11 December 2022 16: 08
      -1
      Quote: Kurva18
      We are waiting for a refutation from Mr. R. Skomorokhov that everything is gone.

      Well, you won’t have to wait long ... how strange it is that Girkin is not remembered)))
  17. Berkut752
    Berkut752 10 December 2022 23: 01
    +4
    “There can be no question of any Ukrainian independent state; their leaders, yesterday’s laborers for the Little Russian sugar refiners and Polish magnates, believe that the state is a village, that they can build it as if digging up a garden after a gorilka beach. limitedness, not seeing anything further than the ditch of his farm ... "

    Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia
    Anton Ivanovich Denikin
  18. opuonmed
    opuonmed 10 December 2022 23: 16
    +1
    ukrrr are already firing at melitopol along the way, new missiles have been brought up that hit up to 140
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  19. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 11 December 2022 00: 16
    +3
    So many of our guys were killed in the battles for this Bakhmut ... Was it really impossible to go around from the flanks, go in from the rear? Why 5 months to gouge head-on on powerfully fortified positions?
    1. Kurva18
      Kurva18 11 December 2022 17: 24
      0
      And you, excuse me, graduated from the Academy of the General Staff, or you were expelled from the first year.
  20. Altmann
    Altmann 11 December 2022 00: 54
    +8
    We all believe in Victory, this campaign, this great war is always as important for the Russian Federation as the victory in the Great Patriotic War. This is also important for us, the Czechs, who have remained loyal to Russia. Our ancestors and mine fought with the Red Army in Kyiv, fought near Dukla and near Ostrava. Already today we are on the verge of survival, we are slaves in our country, we are like people subject to the United States. You must win and you will win. am
    1. poquello
      poquello 11 December 2022 01: 34
      +1
      Quote: Altmann
      We all believe in Victory, this campaign, this great war is always as important for the Russian Federation as the victory in the Great Patriotic War. This is also important for us, the Czechs, who have remained loyal to Russia. Our ancestors and mine fought with the Red Army in Kyiv, fought near Dukla and near Ostrava. Already today we are on the verge of survival, we are slaves in our country, we are like people subject to the United States. You must win and you will win. am

      you still for such speeches are not made?
      "The Prosecutor General of the Czech Republic: Open support or consent to the aggression of the Russian Federation can be considered a crime"
      1. Kurva18
        Kurva18 11 December 2022 17: 30
        0
        Would you like this? If not, why ask such questions? For once, a normal man wrote, so you have to crap around.
        1. poquello
          poquello 11 December 2022 17: 59
          0
          Quote: Kurva18
          Would you like this? If not, why ask such questions? For once, a normal man wrote, so you have to crap around.

          a normal man can have problems, but if only he wrote to you
          1. Kurva18
            Kurva18 11 December 2022 18: 19
            0
            And what about writing here? If a normal Czech. What happens often?
            1. poquello
              poquello 11 December 2022 18: 27
              0
              Quote: Kurva18
              And what about writing here? If a normal Czech. What happens often?

              did you understand what you wrote? again
              Quote: poquello
              a normal man can have problems

              It is not clear, or are you working part-time for the priest Gapon?
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  22. Gato
    Gato 11 December 2022 03: 35
    0
    Well, how. Only no one is talking about how this whole bodyaga will be finished. No, the Supreme said a few years. I would like to know how much, otherwise the parable about the donkey, the emir and the hoja comes to mind.
  23. Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 11 December 2022 17: 10
    0
    But what's good is that the Russian media have already begun to call Artemovsk, not Bakhmut.
    By the way - a hint to Khokhls - you can report on leaving Artemovsk and quietly leave Bakhmut wink laughing
  24. Sailor
    Sailor 11 December 2022 20: 16
    +1
    DO NOT TAKE POW! To understand and be afraid of these nonhumans!
  25. storm
    storm 12 December 2022 19: 48
    -1
    For two months we have been storming an ordinary regional center as if it were a million-plus city, instead of encircling it, cutting off all supplies and methodically using drones and DRGs to identify and destroy the ukrofascists in their fortifications.
    If Mariupol was taken like that, and it is ten times larger, then we will take Artemovsk even more so ....