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Priority project for the development of the Far East

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Before the opening of the APEC summit, which this year was held in Vladivostok, the Russian side announced as one of the priority questions about the investment attractiveness of the Far Eastern region. At the same time, the investment attractiveness itself cannot manifest itself without the development of the region’s transport infrastructure and its proper settlement.

Priority project for the development of the Far East
BAM track. Gold link laying


Based on this, skepticism has emerged that the Russian authorities want to spend budget funds for the implementation of certain ghostly projects, like BAM-protracted construction, which, ultimately, will not lead to positive economic results. Critical arrows from outside, let's say, especially democratized media, fell on those who proposed to modernize the railway network of Siberia in order to ensure in the future the stability of the transportation of produced resources from the fields to the Far Eastern ports of the Far East. The criticism was expressed in the fact that such projects are supposedly impossible to implement in modern Russia, the money will definitely be stolen, initiatives are planned, and therefore it will be necessary to expect better times.

However, if we expect "better times", then, paying attention to history of our country, we can say that such times may never come ... And because it is time to act now, if we do not want to be on the backyard of civilization. Someone will say that such a message sounds too pathetic, but this is precisely the situation when even excessive pathos does not hurt. Why? Yes, because if every state initiative is a priori treated with constant skepticism, then it is possible to remain out of work, blaming the crisis, then corruption, bad leadership, or the eternal Russian adversity, about which Gogol once wrote.

Apparently, the critical arrows did not particularly impressed the Russian authorities, and therefore the development project of the Far East gradually acquires real outlines. And the initial step here looks like the approval by the Ministry of Transport of Russia of the proposal of JSC Russian Railways for the reconstruction and modernization of the Baikal-Amur Mainline. It is planned that within the next few years 8 the throughput of BAM should grow 3 times - up to 50 million tons of cargo per year. To solve such an ambitious task, you will not only have to work on the existing railroad tracks, but, in fact, build new branches, which today are increasingly called BAM-2.

At a recent press conference, the head of the Amur Region, Oleg Kozhemyako, focused on the fact that if today we don’t start a project to develop the region’s transport system, then in the near future we will have to forget about the development of numerous mineral deposits that the Far Eastern land is rich in.

It is worth recalling that Vladimir Putin spoke about the same immediately after taking office in May of this year. Then Putin’s decree was born on the need to translate into reality the Federal Target Program aimed at the development of the Baikal regions and the Far East. The total amount of state funding of several dozen projects that formed the basis of the program will be about 1 trillion rubles for up to 2020 year.

According to the program, as part of the development of the railway cluster, it is planned to expand the Vostochny-Nakhodka branch, build a railway line from Yakutsk to Magadan, and branch lines to several Yakut fields so that the resources extracted can be easily delivered to ports or processing plants. In addition, there are plans to endow BAM with the status of a railway specializing in the transportation of heavy trains. Russian Railways has a plan for the implementation of the unfinished Soviet project on the connection of BAM and Transsib with the help of the Mozgon-Novy Uoyan branch, about 700 kilometers in length.

Obviously, the project looks more than promising and promises truly impressive profits. However, skeptics are still inclined to see in the project the negative associated with an excessively excessive amount of investments and the fact that only Chinese industrial enterprises will benefit from the development of the railway infrastructure. At the same time, the same skeptical experts said yesterday that one of the options for the development of the Far East is precisely the growth of trade and economic ties with the PRC. They say that if in the vast Russian region there live a little more than 6 million people, then in a short time it is simply impossible to develop our own large-scale production clusters here, which means you need to be interested in China’s purchasing activity in relation to our metals and energy resources.

Moreover, if the development of China’s trade with the Far Eastern subjects of the Russian Federation is called skeptics, almost without a blow to the Russian economy, which will “feed” the Chinese, then it is completely incomprehensible what the authors of this conviction see as a development of the Far East. Building railways, it turns out, is long and expensive; you should not develop new fields, because resources will flow exclusively to China - also bad; developing a policy of creating new jobs in the Far East is utopia ... In general, only criticism is heard so far, but no one from the camp of critics is going to make any truly rational proposals. And this is the whole trend of modern oppositional skepticism: a person perceives any initiative of the Russian authorities with hostility even before it moves to the implementation stage, and after that, how it goes ... It goes bad - they will say: aha! We said that the case would be a failure. And it will go well, so quickly switch to another topic, so that no one remembers the apocalyptic predictions.

Today, the presence of such a railway as the Baikal-Amur Mainline is one of the factors for the development of Siberia and the Far East. It is along transport arteries that settlements and production enterprises are born and develop. The greater the volume of cargo and the greater passenger traffic will be observed passing through these transport arteries, the more attractive in the investment plan will be the Far Eastern region.

Of course, increasing the capacity of BAM is an extremely costly task. However, here you can say that every ruble invested in a new project can return in the form of multiple profits. At the same time here, by and large, it does not matter whether the project will be implemented as part of a program to transform Russia into a huge transit country, through which territory millions of tons of cargo will flow from China to Europe; or will remain solely domestic. In any case, the modernization of transport infrastructure will be useful for the development of a huge region, the depths of which are exceptionally rich.
Nowadays, the Baikal-Amur Mainline, the main section of which connects the port of Sovetskaya Gavan with Taishet, is part of a large-scale project of the so-called Great Northern Railway Track, a sample of the beginning of the 20th century. According to this project, a colossal length of the railway line was to pass through the northern regions of Russia (the Soviet Union). According to the authors, it was supposed to start in the port of Murmansk and end at the shores of the Tatar Strait. This highway was planned to be built for the development of those regions of Siberia that are not covered by the infrastructural influence of the Trans-Siberian Railway.

Today, the project looks less than half realized, although a large Soviet building in the form of BAM (1938-1984) has substantially embodied the aspirations of those who were at the origin of the Great Northern Railway Project. If, within the framework of the development of the railway system of the country as a whole, to realize the idea of ​​connecting the fields of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug with BAM (slightly less than 2000 km), then the ambitious project will be completed. The project was christened Sevsib. However, its implementation will require additional expenses (about 12 billions of dollars, according to economists), and these expenses, for obvious reasons, will also be criticized by those who in the mere mention of the phrase "development of Russia" sees an indispensable catch and a desire to cut the budget.

But, whatever the critics of critics say, the state authorities should bring the begun to the end. Yes - these are serious costs, yes - someone will certainly say that it is better to raise the minimum wage today or to distribute money into your hands, yes - the project will require the use of enormous human resources. But at the same time, the implementation of a new project - new jobs, attraction of private capital, influx of labor force (and not only, note migrant workers) to the Far Eastern region, connection of large fields with port infrastructure, replenishment of federal and regional budgets, stimulation of huge economic development. region, the possibility of using new routes for the transit of foreign goods. In general, what a sin to conceal, with such a large-scale project, the new Russia has not yet encountered. But as they say, one has only to start ...

In 1938, the economic situation of the Soviet Union was much worse than the situation of modern Russia, but with the political will supported by economic considerations of rationality and profitability, the project was implemented. The Soviet Union took more than 40 intermittent years to implement. Russia has a chance, using modern resources and mechanisms, to solve the problem much faster. After all, it is necessary once to prove their production consistency.
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 3 November 2012 08: 43
    +20
    The development of transport infrastructure of the Far East is not only a necessary thing, but a vital one. The author well painted a conceptual version of the development of railway in the mainland, but forgot to mention such an interesting area as Sakhalin.
    Now Sakhalin is undergoing restructuring of the railway from a narrow gauge to the all-Russian gauge, in addition, if you look at the map, you can see that Sakhalin can become a bridge between Japan and Russia. It is already technically possible to build bridges and tunnels that can connect Sakhalin and Hokkaido, and further Sakhalin - Khabarovsk Territory. Yes, it is incredibly expensive and difficult, but the prospects that open such a path ... cover all costs. This is a real reduction in the movement of goods and the cost of transporting the latter from Japan to Europe and vice versa. Such a transit corridor is a bonanza for Russia and a real lever of pressure on Japan and Europe.
    1. Igor
      Igor 3 November 2012 09: 38
      -11
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      It is already technically possible to build bridges and tunnels that can connect Sakhalin and Hokkaido, and further Sakhalin - Khabarovsk Territory. Yes, it is incredibly expensive and difficult, but the prospects that open such a path ... cover all costs.


      And why is this necessary? Given that the government, apart from trade in resources, is not able to master anything else, and for this only railways, ports and pipelines are needed.
      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 3 November 2012 10: 03
        +2
        Quote: Igorek
        And why is this necessary? Given that the government, apart from trade in resources, is not able to master anything else, and for this only railways, ports and pipelines are needed.

        Well, at least there will be roads, otherwise they could not see anything at all.
      2. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 3 November 2012 15: 17
        +9
        Quote: Igorek
        And why is this necessary? Given that the government, apart from trade in resources, is not able to master anything else, and for this only railways, ports and pipelines are needed.


        You read about transit there? Can you imagine what a reduction in delivery time is, and a reduction in delivery time by half? And imagine how much it costs. Here is the answer to the question why this is needed. Japan is not Burkina Faso, and it will give the flow of goods so that Mama don’t cry ... and this is the development of infrastructure + the cost of all this. So trading in your geographical location is a very profitable business.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 3 November 2012 16: 08
          +8
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          So trading in your geographical location is a very profitable business.

          It used to be said "All paths lead to Rome", now it is actual, "All paths go through the 3rd Rome"
        2. Igor
          Igor 3 November 2012 16: 54
          -5
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Japan is not Burkina Faso, and it will give the flow of goods so that Mama don’t cry ... and this is the development of infrastructure + the cost of all this.


          Japan is not China, and what kind of fool will build a tunnel or bridge in an earthquake-prone area?

          Quote: Sakhalininets
          So trading in your geographical location is a very profitable business.


          Of course, but only if this geographical position is used by its own citizens, and now it’s used. It’s unprofitable to transport cars, it’s easier to ship fish to Japan, China or the South Caucasus. In Norway, the seedy village turned into a city thanks to Russian fishermen who sell fish to the Vikings and who later they bring it to the Russian buyer two times more expensive. Tell me how this government can to create a competitive infrastructure if it simply cannot change legislation that does not even require multibillion investments? For example, in Siberia, fish with Far East are generally a rare occurrence, mainly Norway, Vietnam and China, and locally I (carp, carp, etc.), now the question may be the case not only in the infrastructure?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 17: 07
            +9
            Quote: Igorek

            Japan is not China, and what kind of fool will build a tunnel or bridge in an earthquake-prone area?

            Igorek, you saw bridges in Japan, there are bridges there that we don’t build. And in spite of the seismic zone, they stand and do not collapse. Here is one of the few bridges - Akashi-Kaikyo - a suspension bridge in Japan. They can build hi
            1. 1st_user
              1st_user 3 November 2012 19: 12
              +1
              Everything is determined by the business case. Nowadays, the level of development of engineering and technology is so high that the technical feasibility of building something is determined not by the level of development of science and technology, but by guarantees that investments in construction will be justified.
          2. Sakhalininsk
            Sakhalininsk 4 November 2012 10: 24
            +2
            Quote: Igorek
            Japan is not China, and what kind of fool will build a tunnel or bridge in an earthquake-prone area?


            Just below is just an example of such a structure. The second seismic hazard zone is a loose concept, by the way you will probably be interested to know that the southern part of Sakhalin is much less dangerous in terms of seismicity compared to the Japanese islands, and there are more than enough such structures there.

            Quote: Igorek
            Tell me, how can this government create a competitive infrastructure if it simply cannot change the legislation that does not even require multibillion investments? For example, fish from the Far East are generally a rare occurrence in Siberia, mainly Norway, Vietnam and China, and the local one (crucians, carp etc.), now the question may be, it's not just about infrastructure?


            You about Thomas, you are talking about Yerema .... here the point is not in what we produce, but in what we provide. Transit and commodity production are two different things.
            On fish, this is a sore point, but here and now they were not discussing fish.
          3. upasika1918
            upasika1918 5 November 2012 09: 50
            +2
            I want to remind you, Igoryok, any point on this planet is earthquake-prone except Antarctica. The same Japan is islands, bridges, tunnels, skyscrapers. And people built and lived where it seemed impossible to do this. I personally believe that this is some sort of Higher Meaning, if you like, the Life Principle. Go forward in spite of everything. Sitting in an armchair and thinking about "... why climb Everest, there is nothing ..." is convenient, but not productive.
        3. upasika1918
          upasika1918 5 November 2012 09: 28
          +3
          Exactly. Transit is a perspective for decades to come. It is useless to explain this to the deaf. For them, roads and pipelines are just rails and pipes. All of Russia fits into the display screen. Further than "pearl barley" they were nowhere to be found. their parents did not starve, for them Russia is not Mother but "Rashka", the heroes of BAM are runners for a long ruble. They justify their insignificance by the fact that "..the whole world is a mess, all the women are not .."
      3. Nick
        Nick 4 November 2012 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: Igorek
        And why is it necessary?

        Before mastering something, it is necessary to create infrastructure, without which no economic production activity is possible.
        Quote: Igorek
        Given that the government, apart from trade in resources, is not able to master anything

        The unsubstantiated, unsubstantiated statement. I think you will agree that the government has already learned to absorb trillions of budget funds. Dozens and hundreds of facilities are being built in Sochi, on Russky Island, new capacities for the defense industry are being set up, and much much more ....
    2. Lucky
      Lucky 3 November 2012 10: 59
      +2
      I think that if businesses set such a task to build a bridge, they will find funds, and Russia will receive additional income because of its geographic location! Great idea!
      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 3 November 2012 12: 45
        +4
        Quote: Lucky
        I think if the business is to set such a task to build a bridge, they will find the means

        Immediately came up with the story of the Zenith arena
        1. FID
          FID 3 November 2012 15: 22
          +5
          You can add the road to APEC in Vladik!
    3. nnz226
      nnz226 3 November 2012 23: 00
      +1
      this is where labor migrants from Asian bantustans should be sent, so that they wouldn’t be panting in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities, but would master Siberia! there, too, apparently, a low-skilled workforce is needed. And the migration policy to lead the same! Do you want to work in Russia - at BAM and nearby!
      1. dusha233
        dusha233 4 November 2012 02: 47
        +1
        I assure you that 70% of workers were migrant workers at the construction of the OTES in Vladivostok, they even managed to throw some with payment!
  2. sergo0000
    sergo0000 3 November 2012 09: 06
    +11
    I don’t know how it will be with the BAM-2 project, but for my Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug I can
    live.
    Our roads are being built, but what!
    Who comes to us north on his
    their cars cannot but envy.
    Yes, and on this site I’m sure there is someone to confirm my words.
    The only thing that has not yet been gotten rid of sandblasting, it is known to spoil the road surface and pretty much. But I think we will reach an analogue of it.
    I believe that Bam-2 is within our power. The whole point is in the control and organization of the project!
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 3 November 2012 15: 41
      +1
      In financing. it is now a jet engine of development
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 4 November 2012 20: 02
      0
      And how do you like the distance from Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug to BAMA a little less than 2000 km? Or I do not understand.
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 3 November 2012 09: 20
    +9
    The Far East is primarily people!
    Long distances, lack of roads, high cost of plane tickets - this is where else they are!
    That's how planes take off in Bodaibo, Irkutsk Oblast, I can’t do it in the mud

    The strip is then unpaved, and the other is not. It is necessary to develop Siberia in a comprehensive way .......... and not only BAM 2.A I would not believe Yakunin, he promised so, we’ll see what happens with the tickets after the new year!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 November 2012 12: 28
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      And I would not believe Yakunin, he had already promised, let's see what will happen to the tickets after the new year!
      \ If he was a railroad worker wherever he went, and since he is the president’s colleague in past work, nothing will be made to the piece of iron
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 November 2012 12: 32
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      And I would not believe Yakunin, he had already promised, let's see what will happen to the tickets after the new year!


      Russian Railways threatens to increase ticket prices for reserved seats by 2013% since 60 for those who have no benefits. Thus, the Russian railroad monopoly can respond to the government’s plans to reduce the amount of subsidies for the company from the budget in 2013.
      Since 2013, the authorities plan to subsidize only transportation for young people up to 23 years old and pensioners.
      Well, soon it will be cheaper to fly a plane over 2000 km away.
      And in some settlements there are no alternatives to Russian Railways, so there the reduction in passenger traffic will be gradual, but with great social disturbances
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 3 November 2012 15: 58
        +6
        Quote: Ascetic
        Well, soon it will be cheaper to fly a plane over 2000 km away.

        ... using Baltic Airlines ...
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 3 November 2012 17: 23
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Russian Railways threatens to increase ticket prices for reserved seats by 2013% since 60

        I generally can not understand why it is necessary to compensate for the losses of Russian Railways!
        Indeed, only in 2010, Russian Railways showed a profit
        Net profit
        ▲ 208,324 billion rubles.
        (2010, IFRS)

        that is, everything is in order with income !! Yes, and we must pay extra for the fact that we use compounds that have already paid off three times and were built in 1960!
        So I understand why a Sapsan ticket is so expensive, and why a reserved seat in a retro car should go up by 60% no !!
        1. 1st_user
          1st_user 3 November 2012 19: 42
          +2
          First, the price of train tickets in Russia is quite adequate and is in line with inflation. And secondly, Russian railways are the most reliable and trouble-free in the world. Personally, I am ready to pay a good price for this, because the "piece of iron" has never let me down for many years (although I often travel very difficult routes with a lot of transfers).
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 3 November 2012 20: 13
            +4
            Quote: 1st_user
            Firstly, the price of train tickets in Russia is quite adequate and is consistent with inflation

            Normally deployed!
            That is, the quality of services is consistent - INFLATION, no more no less!
            Where would we get such "inflation"? which has replaced the rolling stock with a modern one! and services raised to the world level .............. and then when you go on a train with Italians ......... you remember Russian Railways only as an anecdote !!!
          2. 77bor1973
            77bor1973 4 November 2012 00: 44
            +3
            Guys, our railway by itself is not designed to carry passengers, the main income of Russian Railways is cargo, and passengers are for Russian Railways a passing cargo that they want to make more profitable ...
            1. akjn4
              akjn4 4 November 2012 02: 46
              +2
              If so. It is more profitable to import construction materials into Siberia by trucks.
            2. romanru4
              romanru4 5 November 2012 20: 29
              +1
              You didn’t put it right. Not profitable (there can be no talk of profit in passenger transportation), but less unprofitable. All Russian Railways walrus is removed from freight traffic. Passenger transportation was ALWAYS unprofitable and at all times in our country.
  4. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 3 November 2012 09: 45
    +6
    Why are there so many political idle bells in Russia? They also devour money, which would be useful for the implementation of complex and expensive projects. Are we really pulling them to ourselves like that?
    1. Gavrilon
      Gavrilon 6 November 2012 08: 38
      0
      only mass executions (bureaucrats) will save their homeland soldier
  5. Lucky
    Lucky 3 November 2012 11: 01
    -5
    This is our punishment for overthrowing the king!
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 3 November 2012 11: 16
      +3
      Lucky,
      And what, when the king stole less?
      Read Saltykov-Shchedrin, everything is written there. One Menshikov is worth what with Peter!
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 4 November 2012 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: sergo0000
        Read Saltykov-Shchedrin, everything is written there

        sorry, why should we believe this? .... our history was rewritten 5 times .....
    2. Igor
      Igor 3 November 2012 13: 29
      -7
      Quote: Lucky
      This is our punishment for overthrowing the king!


      Bugaga !!! The king is still sitting in a chair and a temporary departure to the premiere is not an overthrow laughing
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 3 November 2012 15: 38
        +2
        Quote: Igorek
        The king is still sitting in a chair

        And who do you want, princess or something, or a prince? Negotiate.
      2. suomi
        suomi 3 November 2012 15: 44
        +4
        What a "witty" Cheburashka schoolboy you are.
        1. Igor
          Igor 3 November 2012 16: 58
          -4
          Quote: suomi
          What a "witty" Cheburashka schoolboy you are.


          Well done! Now print your post and go to Putin’s reception, maybe they’ll give you a few rubles laughing
          1. anchonsha
            anchonsha 3 November 2012 17: 36
            +4
            Igor, and where does such anger come from Putin? Yes, you go and try yourself in his place. Maybe you’d better do something in the country. And pouring out malice is only harmful to health.
            1. Igor
              Igor 3 November 2012 18: 43
              -7
              Quote: anchonsha
              Igor, and where does such anger come from Putin?


              And who is the most important in our country? Masons, Templars, Obama, Bush, and maybe Saakashvili?

              Quote: anchonsha
              Yes, you go and try yourself in his place.


              Article 81 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:

              A citizen of the Russian Federation no younger than 35 years old may be elected President of the Russian Federation.

              So whatever you say, you will have to wait another 8 years.
  6. romanru4
    romanru4 3 November 2012 11: 15
    -9
    "attracting private capital, the influx of labor (and not only, note, migrant workers) to the Far East region," (end of quote). Interesting, actually. The Russians can no longer provide themselves with simple reproduction, but here you suddenly read this ... We are dying out by about a million a year, and here they predict us to settle somewhere else. It would be nice to populate guest workers for a start. Most likely, the Chinese will master that region at our expense. As it sounds not sad. Our women with labor resources will not support the government's plans. Give birth to plumbers, electricians, carpenters, grain growers - pipes! One - and in managers! Better abroad!
    1. Volodin
      3 November 2012 12: 17
      +5
      We are born, no matter how surprised you are, about a million a year ... There is no need to give an example of only "dying". Don't use statistics from 7-8 years ago ... Oh yes! There is no need to decide for all women either ...
      1. romanru4
        romanru4 3 November 2012 12: 38
        -5
        Wipe your pink glasses please!
        1. Volodin
          3 November 2012 13: 43
          +5
          In this case, you’ll remove your black and opaque to begin with.
          1. romanru4
            romanru4 4 November 2012 18: 31
            -2
            Our future mothers. Even if you have an eye on w ... pull it. They are like that.
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 3 November 2012 15: 32
        +7
        Volodin- answer like that
        What to bazaar: $ 1,850 trillion (IMF, 2011 in Russia versus $ 15,2 trillion (2011) USA.
        You remind the people of this. By golly, this moan is sick of it! (whining)

        Was there a war in the USA? Do they have cities, the economy was destroyed? On the contrary: the USA had the strongest economic growth during World War II! The climate is better!
        Why groan? All about getting settled. Need to work. You never know what you can do till you try!
        How was he not going to keep Russia under his boot? (yes half the world) How?
        Under the boot then ...? Believe in yourself! Get out of a warm apartment and become the owner in your country BECOME!
        And whiners recommend buying a ticket to your favorite States!
        1. Igor
          Igor 3 November 2012 17: 02
          -12
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Get out of a warm apartment and become the owner in your country BECOME!


          Article 282 inciting ethnic hatred! am
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 17: 13
            +2
            Quote: Igorek
            Article 282 inciting ethnic hatred!

            Well, where is the incitement to hatred?
            1. Igor
              Igor 3 November 2012 17: 20
              -4
              But not her! But still they will turn up am
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 3 November 2012 18: 08
                +4
                Igor,
                Here someone wrote that alarmists were shot.
                Does it need to be reminded that commanders are fighters, sometimes. allowed to flow!
                And for the same, for alarmism and indecision!

                THE TIME HAS COME!
                Only the blind man has not yet made out! HIRED UP! And get out (slobber, wimp), do not bother the country, move !!!

                Quote: Igorek
                still get dirty
                - Be worthy of the memory of your ancestors! Under Stalin - you think you didn’t understand - it smells like a quarter, or even a tower, but, having clenched your courage into a fist, you did it! And there or chest in crosses .......!
                Remember! You have already chickened once! When? And then in the 90s! When it was possible to take loans with trucks. I got scared? When it was possible to privatize. I got scared? Ah, have you not yet been? So will you shake the tail to death?
                Go and become a hero! Well - the master in his own country! And do not be afraid! Afraid of a bold bullet and the bayonet does not take!
                1. Igor
                  Igor 3 November 2012 19: 01
                  -7
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Remember! You have already chickened once! When? And then in the 90s! When it was possible to take loans with trucks. I got scared? When it was possible to privatize. I got scared? Ah, have you not yet been? So will you shake the tail to death?


                  Why remember something?

                  92nd year - 1st grade
                  93rd year 2nd grade
                  94th year 3rd grade
                  95th year 4rd grade
                  etc. laughing


                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Go and become a hero! Well - the master in his own country!


                  Will they give the medal posthumously?

                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Only the blind man has not yet made out! HIRED UP! And get out (slobber, wimp), do not bother the country, move !!!


                  So this is a no brainer that harnessed and we carry neftegazoles)))

                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Under Stalin - you think you didn’t understand - it smells like a quarter, or even a tower, but, having clenched your courage into a fist, you did it! And there or chest in crosses .......!


                  And now, that the 37th year, many countries and without any cf..lines did.
                  1. nickname 1 and 2
                    nickname 1 and 2 3 November 2012 19: 50
                    +2
                    Igor,
                    Well-oo-oo-oo! this is a clinic! It's a pity!
                    Maybe you, in the USA or in Canada? No, well, there is a wife, children do not need to be supported! Same-sex marriage is in fashion ....
                    And in the USA - *** The population below the poverty line is -15,1% *** every 6-7 beggar !!!!!! Go to WIKI.

                    Enough ???? Well then - seriously!
                    Throw the fool around! In the morning - exercise, then - a contrast shower!
                    And that's it - we become = a man!
                    Quote: Igorek
                    many countries and without any Wed .. lines cost
                    - shake noodles from your ears! There you have to be a beast! Only such make their way! Think !!!!!
                    1. Igor
                      Igor 3 November 2012 20: 07
                      -4
                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      Maybe you, in the USA or in Canada?


                      Or maybe you are in North Korea?

                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      The population below the poverty line -15,1% *** every 6-7 beggar !!!!!! Go to WIKI.


                      The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that the poverty line is $ 22 a year for a family of four. So our middle class, with incomes of 314 American presidents a year, doesn’t even reach the poor in the USA, but it’s better not to talk about our poor )))

                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      Throw the fool around! In the morning - exercise, then - a contrast shower!
                      And that's it - we become = a man!


                      Plya, that you write me any shit ... you better go into the army and give the country your debt, there you will do exercises every morning, but there will be problems with the shower.

                      Quote: nick 1 and 2
                      shake the noodles from the ears! There you have to be a beast! Only such make their way! Think !!!!!


                      If only such people made their way, then there would already be nothing left of the population.
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 3 November 2012 22: 15
                        +4
                        Quote: Igorek
                        The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that the poverty line is $ 22 a year for a family of four. So our middle class, with incomes of 314 American presidents a year, doesn’t even reach the poor in the USA, but it’s better not to talk about our poor )))


                        Damn already wrote how to calculate income in the United States and here. They take into account EVERYTHING literally from the house and the bank account to the vacuum cleaner in the house. In our income, it is customary to consider only the salary or the indicated profit. Inquiries we bring to various bodies of sys ACCOUNTING at the place of work. We have a poverty line living wage, below which it is NOT PAYABLE PENSION OR salary. In this case, real estate, land, car, garage are not taken into account.
                        For example, I have a pension of 20 thousand. Salary 60 thousand. then my income is 960 thousand. Moreover, if I own, for example, an apartment worth 6 million, a cottage with a plot of 15 hundred people worth 10 million. machine worth 1 million. etc. the numbers will be almost comparable.
                      2. Igor
                        Igor 4 November 2012 08: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Damn already wrote how to calculate income in the United States and here. They take into account EVERYTHING literally from the house and the bank account to the vacuum cleaner in the house


                        Something I have not heard about this. Yes, and generally so is the condition of a person, and not his annual income.

                        Quote: Ascetic
                        For example, I have a pension of 20 thousand. Salary 60 thousand. then my income is 960 thousand.


                        Nihrena math wassat
                      3. BYRY
                        BYRY 4 November 2012 23: 33
                        0
                        And it’s hard to multiply 80 thousand by 12 months.
                      4. nickname 1 and 2
                        nickname 1 and 2 3 November 2012 23: 36
                        +3
                        Igor,
                        Quote: Igorek
                        $ 22
                        - take a deeper look (cost of living, apartment / fee, fare, etc.) In Moscow - 2t. bucks - in a cafe, canteen - 4 people. not live !!! And in the USA = even more so! They don’t cook at home.
                        Quote: Igorek
                        go to the army you give the debt to the country

                        - when you were born, the military enlistment office wrote me back from old age reservists.
                        Good luck!
                      5. Igor
                        Igor 4 November 2012 09: 34
                        -4
                        Quote: nick 1 and 2
                        - take a deeper look (cost of living, apartment / fee, fare, etc.) In Moscow - 2t. bucks - in a cafe, canteen - 4 people. not live !!! And in the USA = even more so!


                        Believe me, with us and with them it is possible to live on such an income only if without all these cafes and restaurants.

                        Quote: nick 1 and 2
                        They don’t cook at home.


                        Yes, you better go there, otherwise you’re just like a victim of communist propaganda laughing

                        Quote: nick 1 and 2
                        - when you were born, the military enlistment office wrote me back from old age reservists.


                        Yes, you’re already an old man! About .. your grandfather fell on your country in the 91st, and then you also chose Yeltsin twice, so I would be silent if I were you, and would not tell others about men and heroes))) )
                      6. nickname 1 and 2
                        nickname 1 and 2 4 November 2012 17: 37
                        +2
                        Igor,
                        Quote: Igorek
                        Yes, you are already an old man!
                        = you’re an old man, and I, just an old man!
                  2. BYRY
                    BYRY 4 November 2012 23: 28
                    -1
                    At 86, you would have to have an abortion, you look at one troll less than the former.
                    1. Igor
                      Igor 5 November 2012 10: 00
                      0
                      Quote: BYRY
                      At 86, you would have to have an abortion, you look at one troll less than the former.


                      Looks like your mother didn’t succeed laughing
                2. speedy
                  speedy 3 November 2012 20: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Be worthy of the memory of your ancestors!

                  But it seems to me that he is worthy of his ancestors and they (his ancestors) are not related to us - Judas Iscariot is his ancestor - both in blood and in spirit!
                  1. Igor
                    Igor 4 November 2012 09: 36
                    -3
                    Quote: short-term
                    But it seems to me that he is worthy of his ancestors and they (his ancestors) are not related to us - Judas Iscariot is his ancestor - both in blood and in spirit!


                    I would be in your place worried about the Nazis in the Rada, otherwise I’ll soon become related to the relatives of Hitler and Bandera.
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 3 November 2012 17: 35
              +4
              [quote = Alexander Romanov] Well, where is the incitement to hatred? [/ quot

              Sasha! In the Chuy valley, hemp was born good.

            3. sq
              sq 5 November 2012 11: 08
              0
              Just a statement of fact.
        2. 1st_user
          1st_user 3 November 2012 19: 52
          +1
          Yes, in the United States except the Civil War in the middle of the XIX century there were no wars at all !!! In the entire history of their existence in the United States, not a single bomber has ever dropped a single bomb! (If Pearl Harbor is not counted, although there the Japanese dropped torpedoes with wooden stabilizers, but they did not drop bombs again). The war for independence is not considered due to the primitiveness of weapons and the complete absence of destruction.
      3. romanru4
        romanru4 5 November 2012 20: 32
        0
        According to the Ministry of Health and Social Development, in 2011, 1 million 793,9 thousand children were born in Russia, the birth rate per woman increased to 1,606. In May of this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he expects to increase the birth rate in the country by 2018 to 1,753. He also said that he hoped to increase life expectancy to 74 years.
    2. Sergh
      Sergh 3 November 2012 16: 12
      +3
      Quote: romanru4
      We're dying out about a million a year

      What are you doing? In vain do you do this or have you seen enough foreign statistics?
      Quote: romanru4
      Our women will not be provided with labor resources by government plans.

      And we don’t ask our women, he wants, he doesn’t want, the man said it must, then he did it! I wonder at you youth, you’re completely dead. Out nickname 1 and 2 correctly says snot pick up and in the groin.
      1. romanru4
        romanru4 4 November 2012 21: 27
        0
        Well, if a young man in the seventies urgently served in Germany, then what then is the age of Shrgh? Many plumbers have spawned to raise the industry of the Far East? Our native demographic statistics are in the studio !!!
      2. romanru4
        romanru4 5 November 2012 20: 36
        -1
        According to the Ministry of Health and Social Development, in 2011, 1 million 793,9 thousand children were born in Russia, the birth rate per woman increased to 1,606. In May of this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he expects to increase the birth rate in the country by 2018 to 1,753. He also said that he hoped to increase life expectancy to 74 years.
    3. anchonsha
      anchonsha 3 November 2012 17: 40
      +2
      Here's another oracle ... This is exactly one of the aimless critics and immediately signed for its uselessness for the country. Yes, and for others deciding to give birth or not to give birth.
      1. romanru4
        romanru4 4 November 2012 21: 31
        -1
        Has brought up a lot, probably ... mister anchonsha labor reserves for the Motherland ?! Or others should do it, and "we" only command much.
      2. romanru4
        romanru4 5 November 2012 20: 34
        -2
        According to the Ministry of Health and Social Development, in 2011, 1 million 793,9 thousand children were born in Russia, the birth rate per woman increased to 1,606. In May of this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin said he expects to increase the birth rate in the country by 2018 to 1,753. He also said that he hoped to increase life expectancy to 74 years.
  7. UI-Spb
    UI-Spb 3 November 2012 11: 20
    +3
    No need to prove anything to anyone. We must live and work for ourselves. The development of railways will give impetus to the development of many Siberian towns, due to circumstances remaining on the deadlock branches of BAM. I grew up in one of these cities. If the Transsiberian and Baikal-Amur Mainline are connected, the city will begin to develop with a vengeance, as people and industries are preserved in it. So good luck!
  8. Ascetic
    Ascetic 3 November 2012 12: 14
    +9
    In 1938, the economic situation of the Soviet Union was much worse than the situation of modern Russia, but with the political will supported by economic considerations of rationality and profitability, the project was implemented. The Soviet Union took more than 40 intermittent years to implement. Russia has a chance, using modern resources and mechanisms, to solve the problem much faster. After all, it is necessary once to prove their production consistency.


    Although in 1938 the situation was deplorable, there was no corruption and large-scale theft. Now, even with modern resources and technologies, using cuts and kickbacks, you can bury any significant project or turn it into a long-term construction.
    About a thousand corruption crimes detected in the Far East
    My webpage

    East - Far, bubbles - soap ... Corruption is flourishing
    My webpage
    Viktor Ishaev: Corruption and poaching hamper industry development
    My webpage

    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 November 2012 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      but there was no corruption and large-scale theft.

      \ Stas Hello, be a friend, lay out the official geographical map of China, (my picture is not loaded) let the people see how (if nothing changes) the Far East will develop, only the Chinese
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2012 13: 37
        +6
        Vadivak,

        VO article Territorial claims to Russia are exaggerated on the Chinese Internet from March 11, 2012
        My webpage

        By the way, Sergey, not only the Russian from Kazakhstan is also chopped off a piece. And Kyrgyzstan will generally become a Chinese province
        1. suomi
          suomi 3 November 2012 15: 50
          -3
          In general, such alarmists as you were shot in the 38th. And now you have to start, otherwise you will confuse people with your alarmist whining.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 November 2012 16: 52
            +9
            Quote: suomi
            In general, such alarmists as you were shot in the 38th. And now you have to start, otherwise you will confuse people with your alarmist whining.


            There is no panic. For example, one RD (let’s say Novosibirsk) is enough for all of Central China to go under water, back in the 70s of the last century, scientists identified vulnerabilities in the Yellow River valley which, after being subjected to a nuclear strike of 150-200kt each, will cause irreversible consequences in the form of flooding and mixing Earth's crust in all of central and southeastern China, where the bulk of the population and industrial and strategic objects are located. According to experts, up to 800 million (!!) people will die. About this at one time V.I. Esin, one of the few people who had access and engaged in nuclear planning, told.
            The same points are by the way on the Pacific coast of the USA in California.
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 3 November 2012 16: 33
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          By the way, Sergey, not only Russian

          By the way, by the degree of "contamination" of their diaspora ... we swim shallowly ... in comparison with many. For those interested, the drawing is quite clickable.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 November 2012 17: 09
            +3
            Quote: Kaa
            By the way, by the degree of "contamination" of their diaspora ... we swim shallowly ... in comparison with many. For those interested, the drawing is quite clickable.

            And here is a picture of Moscow. As you can see, the Chinese with Koreans and Vietnamese dominate in the territory of coverage.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 3 November 2012 22: 16
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              And here is a picture of Moscow

              And here is a picture of Boston (the same is for Fashington and the whole of the USA .... Pay attention to the road signs. We don’t even write in Chinese yet.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 4 November 2012 01: 30
                +3
                Everyday life of the Celestial region of Moscow
                A raid on the hostels in Moscow in which the Chinese and Vietnamese live (58 photos)
                Note Who didn’t pay on time
                My webpage
        3. akjn4
          akjn4 4 November 2012 02: 43
          +3
          The Chinese did not draw much, the Japanese at one time drew borders in the Urals smile
    2. romanru4
      romanru4 3 November 2012 12: 54
      -1
      Five points could be put for such a kin. It is a pity that only one point is allocated per one watcher.
  9. Khan
    Khan 3 November 2012 12: 18
    +11
    People are leaving the Far East, pensioners who mostly have money in the Krasnodar Territory, and young people in St. Petersburg. Electricity and utility bills and food tariffs are the most expensive in Russia. Factories and high-tech production are collapsed in cities, trade in Chinese and Korean goods is flourishing, and the Chinese population is migrating and settling. Mining is supposedly carried out jointly by firms registered in Russia but in fact owned by China and only Chinese are working in them; the local Russian population is not attracted. The Russian state draws to the Far East crowds of illiterate Central Asians who are essentially the fifth column. The Far East is still a raw materials appendage of Russia, but with such a policy of development of the Far East it can become a raw materials appendage of China, the USA and Japan.
    1. suomi
      suomi 3 November 2012 15: 52
      0
      And you yourself, Khan, where do you live?
      1. Khan
        Khan 4 November 2012 03: 03
        +2
        Khabarovsk Krai
        1. dusha233
          dusha233 4 November 2012 05: 46
          +1
          Here I agree with Khan, Ishaev does a lot of course, but I would like more.
  10. sapulid
    sapulid 3 November 2012 14: 36
    +2
    Put a minus. The topic is necessary and painful. I set the minus for the fact that the topic was started from the wrong end.
    First, remembering the huge investments in BAM, first by the tsar, then by the USSR, it must be said that EVERYTHING was "privatized" by units of bastards in power. The same thing happened in all sectors of the economy. Money is taken offshore and invested in the economies of other countries.
    Now, this bastard ... it’s necessary to get developed infrastructure in the Danube East and Siberia to further plunder the country, BUT BUILT FOR OUR MONEY !!!
    Secondly, the procedure for obtaining the dividends by the people from the use of their money and natural resources is not defined.
    Third, the state did not return previous loans to the people in the form of devalued bonds and deposits. The revision of "privatization" with appropriate compensation to the population has not been carried out.


    Thus, the author left aside the question of the responsibility of a business that robbed our old people, who built everything that this business had seized. The question of raising capital returned to the Russian Federation for the development of the country has not been raised. The question of the complete prohibition of the activities of offshore companies in the Russian Federation, as well as all types of enterprises with their participation, as well as any transactions with the above entities, has not been raised.

    In view of the above, I ask the author to submit a topic taking into account the interests of all parties. "Hurray-patriotism" will not work for another robbery.
    1. Volodin
      3 November 2012 14: 49
      +9
      The author took note of the comment, but believes that if every time we say exclusively "Help! They robbed! And they want to rob again!", Then our perspective is akin to that of Zimbabwe. If the words about the need for the country's development are "hurray-patriotism", then all that remains is to crawl into the basement and shout "Everything is gone!" - that's what our foreign "partners" are counting on. So on "all-propadism" does not go far.
    2. akjn4
      akjn4 4 November 2012 02: 40
      +2
      Right. Since everything in this country belongs to business, let the business build, develop and repair.
  11. 1st_user
    1st_user 3 November 2012 16: 11
    +3
    The article is a unique giant megaplus!
    It was unexpected that such articles usually used to pop up before the elections, but now it seems that no grand elections in the country are visible for the foreseeable future ...
    To me, as a desperate fan of railway transport, every new km of railways built adds reason for joy and confidence in the future.
    And one more thing: finally, there is a serious reason to stop doubting the current leadership of our country once and for all. So let's check: if the promised projects are implemented within the promised time, or at least come close to completion (unaccounted for difficulties always pop up), then for the rest of our lives we will vote only for Putin and United Russia! Like this.
    And I often travel by train during the holidays just to relax and ride, and quite far away, and I’m planning to study the BAM trip in the next few years.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 3 November 2012 17: 07
      +2
      Quote: 1st_user
      To me, as a desperate fan of railway transport

      Himself in the 80-81th year, the student went to the detachment for the construction of railways twice, though not at the BAM, a little closer, but nevertheless he was directly acquainted with the production of construction on his hump. I know how to hammer a crutch with one hit. And we had a guy, so to argue, with his second blow, the crutch flew completely back.
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 3 November 2012 19: 51
      -4
      Maybe you should move to the Far East altogether, if you are such an ardent supporter of travel ... ride, study, vote and at the same time try to get a job there .. Maybe you like it and then master all the United Russia, populate it, while Thais go there the Communist Party was not dragged
  12. Sarus
    Sarus 3 November 2012 18: 50
    +2
    Was this summer in the East ..
    After entering the normal federal highway (on which Putin traveled), in my opinion, life was hammered there again ...
    Svobodny began to be built .. there is an ESPO2 pipeline .. There is a lot of work. And by the way they pay pretty well for it ..
    And from Novosibirsk to Khabarovsk you can fly for 10 thousand ..
    The time has passed when the Far East was not needed ..
    It can be seen right away that our government is interested in development ..
    According to the military component ... I saw a lot of equipment .. KAMAZ went straight in caravans (new to the film) .. The Air Force flies a lot ... So everything is done right ... Only one minus .. the current woke up at the end of the zero .. but it was necessary to do at the end of 90 .. now everything would be different ...
    PS
    Let’s look after 10-15 years ... We live gentlemen in an amazing time ... Now we can’t take the Russian Federation in a snap .. So our weakness goes away
  13. pesec
    pesec 3 November 2012 21: 24
    +1
    For some reason, the article does not mention the construction of a railway line from BAM to Yakutsk and further to Magadan, which is very important for reducing the cost of the Northern delivery and the development of the region. And, the situation in the geopolitical plan is indeed tense.
  14. akjn4
    akjn4 4 November 2012 02: 37
    0
    "Development of the Far East". Airplane luxury. The train is long, inconvenient, and now expensive. A car for extreme lovers. No transport available, no development!
  15. dusha233
    dusha233 4 November 2012 03: 14
    +1
    Guys what kind of nonsense are some writing here ?! The Far East is developing and will continue to develop, I have been living here all my life! I drive a car from Khabarovsk to Svobodny in 9 hours, the track is just improving before our eyes and is being built, in September I was in Vladivostok, the city has changed very much before our eyes, and the new bridges of indescribable beauty, the shaft doesn’t work are only lazy and dumb, Khabarovsk over the past 12 years so upset that the city simply did not recognize the one who was there until the 2000s.
    1. akjn4
      akjn4 4 November 2012 03: 51
      0
      Have you traveled from Khabarovsk to Chita?
  16. dusha233
    dusha233 4 November 2012 05: 16
    +1
    Until soma Chita there is only to Shimanovsk.

    And what is the conclusion?

    And you yourself traveled along this highway?
  17. Sarus
    Sarus 4 November 2012 14: 46
    +1
    I drove along the highway .. From Skovorodino to Vyazemsk ... The period of the trip is August September 2012 ... The highway for Russia is in excellent condition ... The only place is near Obluchye 20 km somewhere ... But there they chop down a hill .. Do the reconstruction ... Almost everywhere there is a Megaphone and MTS .. There are many cafe hotels and gas stations .. I traveled around the old federal state ... the difference is huge .. so the authorities did the real thing ...

    dusha233 by the way for a long time something to Shima from Khabar .. 9 hours too much ...
  18. dusha233
    dusha233 4 November 2012 16: 18
    +2
    Hello! It’s 800 km from Khabarovsk to Shimanovsk, so it’s normal taking into account stops and fines for elevation!

    And given the places you wrote about.

    Communication is everywhere and gas stations too.
  19. studentmati
    studentmati 4 November 2012 23: 44
    +2
    I am confident in the appropriateness of the decisions made by the government. But I completely insist that demographic policy should be the only priority! The Russian people will grow, and there will be an opportunity to solve all the strategic plans of Russia. And save the territory and raise the economy! And the emigrants, with all due respect, will only plunder and dismember Russia! Let Russian women give birth, like 100 years ago, to 8-12 children, and from them there will always be Lomonosov and Kulibin who will revive Russia.
  20. dusha233
    dusha233 5 November 2012 06: 30
    -1
    It remains only to persuade women not to pursue a career and give birth! What seems impossible to me.