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Obama unleashes US military power on Syria immediately after his presidential election

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In the first four years of Obama’s reign, the world has undergone a major transformation. The wave of revolutions in the Middle East brought the world close to a large-scale military conflict. However, due to the next US presidential election, backstage forces of American politics are in no hurry to press a button on Obama's head. But as soon as Obama is re-elected, there is no doubt that the button will still be activated.

A well-known Italian journalist, ex-MEP Giulietto Chiesa, said this in an interview with NewsBalt, expressing his prediction of political events on the world stage.

- Senor Giulietto, can you predict what will happen in Syria when the presidential elections are over in the US?

- I predict that Bashar Asad will be killed. Pretty soon. Immediately eliminate it did not work, but the line is this - it is necessary to destroy the government of Syria. In one fell swoop it was not possible to do it, because the Assad army was more or less cohesive. The Syrian army was much stronger than they thought in the United States. Therefore, they chose a policy of slow suffocation. They have endless money, endless military power. All who are now fighting in Syria are mercenaries. These are 25-30 thousands of mercenaries who can fight 2-3 of the year.

- Who pays?

- USA, Saudi Arabia plus the European Union. They all go on a long war.

- Nobody is afraid of Russia?

- I think no. They know that Russia is against, but they are counting on political division in the country's leadership. Do you understand what Medvedev did when he gave the go-ahead to the attack against Libya? This gave a huge result for the United States! It gave them a free hand, they reasoned, since Russia is divided, since Mr. Medvedev was not against it, then we must go on. Therefore, Medvedev is also to blame for the situation in Syria. I say this openly. Tell me, who then advised your president?

“But now there is another president in the country ...”

- Putin is taking steps to stop the United States, but he needs to hurry. After Syria, the Americans are attacking Iran. And this will be a general conflict that could initiate the Third World War. Today, neither Russia nor China can go beyond the diplomatic denial of US aggression. And the United States is moving forward, knowing that Russia cannot bring its troops into Syria. Obama is not attacking Syria right now just because he needs to win the election. And immediately after the election, he will begin to act. He does not make decisions, here he is only a performer. Wall Street and City London are two centers of power. It is very profitable for Americans to create chaos because the US is heading for the collapse of its financial system. The only solution is a big war that will write off all the debts.

- Do you think the US is dragging Russia and China into the war?

- There are four real forces in the world - the USA, Europe, China and Russia. The frantic development of China tells us that in the near future no one from outside can manage this empire. In five years, China will become a powerful empire militarily, technically, financially and demographically. Look - there is no crisis in China! And China does not threaten anyone! And then one day ordinary Americans will demand explanations from their authorities - why the Chinese began to live better than they did. This is what the US rulers fear most. Only war with China will be able to leave the United States in leading positions. It is sad that the middle class of Americans agrees with all the adventures of their government, sincerely believing that the American people should dominate the world. They live in the matrix, and if something interferes with their development, the Americans react in an animal way. No thinking, only instincts.

- Is there an opportunity to stop this situation?

- I have a few suggestions on this subject. First, it is necessary to conclude an alliance between Europe and Russia for not participating in the inevitable clash of the United States with China. Russia has military power, Europe has technology. In this vein, Putin’s idea of ​​creating a Eurasian Union lies in my concept. We just hurry.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 3 November 2012 07: 32
    +17
    Yes, the United States is the number one terrorist fact, there is no arguing ... just further than Rome, America will not leave ....
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 3 November 2012 08: 23
      +32
      Russia just needs to finally decide that our main enemy is blatant Saxons. Everyone else is. near or near floating, the real enemy alone and God forbid us from any alliances or alliances with this carrion of a global scale.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 3 November 2012 09: 00
        +14
        Assad must be helped as much as possible. Money can not be spared for it, the Syrians are now fighting for us. It is still possible to restrain the Turks, it will be more difficult with the amers, they liked to fight with the wrong hands, but you can’t give up.
        1. fktrctqxbr
          fktrctqxbr 3 November 2012 16: 15
          +4
          They talk about 4 forces of the USA, China, Europe, Russia. It seems to me here, the fifth is not indicated and it is the main one, the east itself. We do not know how the Muslim world can react after the collapse of Iran, the pivot of the whole east. Don’t say, Russia is able to create technologies, and China needs to increase the pace of production as air. And who needs conflict the most is a big question.
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 3 November 2012 18: 31
            +3
            The East, Muslims, they are not a world power that can take and start a war or fit somewhere its carrier. There are many people, many thugs, but poor organization and very few resources, no modern weapons, and so on.
        2. starshina78
          starshina78 4 November 2012 21: 47
          0
          We ourselves do not have enough money, but to help with weapons - yes! That's just Putin will never go for it. The Russian government will support Syria at the diplomacy level, but will never agree to cause a wave of criticism in the West, in the case of arms supplies to Syria, and even to Iran. Putin is afraid that the West will take and freeze Russian money for these actions, which the government has deposited with Western banks and American funds. The Ministry of Finance believes that it is better in the West than in Russia. Better they (money) work in the West. So the days of Syria are counted. Putin understands this very well, but he can’t do anything. He tried to send ships to the Mediterranean Sea to help Syria. Nothing came of it. They went around, burned diesel fuel for many, many millions, shook the air and left. And it was necessary to enter Tartus and embark on a raid. Stand there for three months and everything in Syria would settle down. So no. Whom did we frighten with this campaign? Yes, no one! Only the laughing stock of us (Russia) was exposed in the West (see articles and comments in the Western press).
      2. plotnikov561956
        plotnikov561956 3 November 2012 14: 13
        +16
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Russia just needs to finally decide that our main enemy is blatant Saxons. Everyone else is. near or near floating, the real enemy alone and God forbid us from any alliances or alliances with this carrion of a global scale.


        A simple Russian peasant always knew that America and England were his enemies. And he did not need to decide on this plan. He had to finally decide on his scum in power
      3. crazyrom
        crazyrom 3 November 2012 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        our main enemy is the brazen Saxons

        This has long been understood, but not for everyone. I think everyone who visits this site should tell the truth to everyone they know, knowledge must be disseminated. The faster everyone finds out, the easier it will be to raise the Country, less internal opposition and more support.
      4. ATATA
        ATATA 5 November 2012 18: 18
        +2
        You really don’t understand that arrogant Saks have a partner for the people?
        And I would say not a partner, but a rider.
        These are the Jews. Face the truth. Since the victory over Napoleon, Jews have ruled England.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 November 2012 12: 26
      +10
      Quote: with
      And China does not threaten anyone!


      What nonsense look at the official geographical map of China, there is no Russia in the Far East
      1. patsantre
        patsantre 3 November 2012 13: 20
        +2
        Show this card. Links with horseradish understand which sources are not accepted.
      2. crazyrom
        crazyrom 3 November 2012 18: 34
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        look at the official geographical map of China, there is no Russia in the Far East

        And where did you get the idea that this card is "official"? Is it written like this? Well, I can also open any map of the world, paint China in the color of Russia in a paintbrush and write "official" on top. This is how the Anglo-Saxons in Russia are promoting the theory of the "Chinese threat", how simple is it? After all, their ultimate goal is the war between Russia and China. And here half the battle has already been done, the people of China already hate and fear.
      3. ikrut
        ikrut 4 November 2012 17: 52
        +4
        What is an "official geographic map"? Where did you find such a miracle? Well, the right word: "you don’t need a knife for cancer, you’ll lie to it with three boxes - and do whatever you like with it" (c)
        Impudent Saxons sleep and see the conflict between Russia and China. Let's help them?
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 07: 45
    +10
    Europe is a very loose concept. Latvia and the like will never go to an alliance with Russia. With whom to conclude an alliance, if with the European Union, but again there are six amers who will block any ideas, and whether the old Europe itself wants any kind of cosiness with Russia, something is not like. Thoughts are sensible in some ways, but they are not feasible. The USA will be forced to start a warrior in saving the economy, but they will lose. In the Second World War it helped them, but today the world is global and Amers will not be able to establish new production without accessories and rare earth raw materials from which the world is heavily dependent on China, plus the general shortage of oil in the case of warriors, and this is the collapse of the US economy. As a result, warriors will slide 1000 years ago. The Internet and mobile communications will make history. hi
    1. Septugian
      Septugian 3 November 2012 08: 01
      +2
      We can not only slide down, but in general there will remain rats, cockroaches and some other animals on the planet, and humanity will finally start a nuclear war, it will simply disappear, no matter how sad it sounds!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 08: 07
        +5
        Quote: Septugian
        mankind has finally started a nuclear war, it will simply disappear, no matter how sad it sounds!

        No, it won’t disappear. The scum of life will remain, but not in the cities. Those who remain, though borrowed by deed, instead of wanting to become managers, will begin to plow the earth. request
        1. Septugian
          Septugian 3 November 2012 08: 12
          +4
          Someone, of course, will survive if it does happen! But what a lesson they will learn from what happened, I think it will be more important than tillage! Well, the managers, as Zadornov called them, are the diagnosis!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 08: 29
            +7
            Quote: Septugian
            But here is what a lesson will be learned from what happened, I think it will be more important than tillage

            Yes, they won’t learn a lesson, they’ll spend a maximum of 100 years and rewrite history and all that. But much has been taken out of the history of World War II — nothing. If we had borne out today we would not talk about a possible new warrior.
            1. Septugian
              Septugian 3 November 2012 08: 35
              +2
              That's for sure, I agree!
            2. Dimka off
              Dimka off 3 November 2012 12: 41
              +4
              wars are simply beneficial to the top. The reduction of the population, the way out of the crises, the gain of mad money - this is very beneficial to the world "elite".
            3. Kaa
              Kaa 3 November 2012 13: 11
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              rewrite history again and stuff like that

              Only weapons will be different ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 13: 32
                +3
                Hi Kaa, in the photo wires are hanging, you see someone from the electricians survived, after the third world laughing
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 3 November 2012 14: 48
                  +7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  wires hang on the photo, you see someone from the electricians survived

                  Hello Alexander. It’s just a tribute to the tradition, and so are we. in the end, we don’t know who built the pyramids, but we don’t blow it up ... we guard ... we are restoring the descendants ... they carefully support ... maybe the loincloths are dried smile
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 16: 02
                    +3
                    Quote: Kaa
                    It’s just a tribute to the tradition, and so are we. in the end, we don’t know who built the pyramids,

                    They say the Jews built belay and here the Jews, where not to throw ................ laughing
                    1. Kaa
                      Kaa 3 November 2012 16: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      and here the Jews, where not to throw

                      And they entangled the whole world with wires .... belay Uuuzhjaaass! .... lol
                      1. Kaa
                        Kaa 3 November 2012 16: 44
                        +4
                        Quote: Kaa
                        Uuuzhaaass !.

                        Here they are ... for their vile pursuit ... look at everything and don’t say later that you didn’t see it! wassat
                    2. ikrut
                      ikrut 4 November 2012 17: 58
                      +1
                      Did the Jews "BUILD"? Is this a new anecdote?
            4. Cynic
              Cynic 3 November 2012 17: 52
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              100 years maximum

              What a 100 years old!
              Read the results of modern polls on who won and who fought with whom in World War II.
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 3 November 2012 17: 49
            +1
            Quote: Septugian
            But here's a lesson from what happened

            Yeah.
            You are aware that a certain number of Yusovites believe that in the Second World War, the great and mighty USA, in alliance with Germany, defeated the Evil Empire - CCCP!
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 November 2012 08: 10
      +2
      From the opinion of Latvia it’s not cold no one is hot. It is enough to come to an agreement with Germany and France, but so far I do not remember examples that they would go against the USA on some issues. In general, China is not Libya and the United States I think it will be very difficult to decide on a military conflict with it.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 08: 16
        +3
        Quote: 1976AG
        It is enough to agree with Germany and France

        It’s possible to negotiate with Germany, but I don’t think that this will happen. There is nothing to say about France, is there to negotiate with whom? Oland is a clown like Sarkazi.
        Quote: 1976AG
        In general, China is not Libya and the United States I think it will be very difficult to decide on a military conflict with it

        Does the US have a choice?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 November 2012 08: 23
          +1
          By and large, of course they have no choice, but a nuclear conflict ... An occasion to think a hundred times!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 08: 31
            +2
            Quote: 1976AG
            An occasion to think a hundred times!

            Attacking Russia is already an occasion to think a hundred times, but whom and when did it stop? The whole history of the Saxons consists of warriors, and they don’t think about the fate of ordinary people, but about their beloved ones. In vain they’re building bunkers.
            1. sir.jonn
              sir.jonn 3 November 2012 08: 43
              +3
              America will attack with absolute certainty of its integrity. In another situation, the tail between the legs and the tail.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 09: 24
                +2
                Quote: sir.jonn

                America will attack with absolute certainty of its integrity.

                this is not the case, just when you strike Iran, other countries will start to get involved in the conflict, regardless of desire. Starting a warrior is easy, but ending it is much more difficult.
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 3 November 2012 09: 54
              +3
              This is the result of impunity. Impunity dulls vigilance. With some it worked, with others and they think that it will always be so. And the great mission of Russia, apparently, is to put such "crazy" people in their place. Protecting good from evil turns out!
          2. bask
            bask 3 November 2012 11: 08
            +4
            197AG While the Russian fleet will be stationed in Syria-Tartus. Not one b ...... will not attack Syria And there will be no nuclear war ...
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 3 November 2012 11: 51
              +3
              They may not attack, only the mercenaries there are already higher than the roof, plus new ones are being pulled up. If the borders are not blocked over time, Assad will still be defeated. So the mere presence of our ships is not enough. And about the nuclear war, I talked about the prospect of a US-China conflict.
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 3 November 2012 15: 05
                +5
                Quote: 1976AG
                So the mere presence of our ships is not enough.

                One presence is not enough - there will be two, from the other side ... "In Vladivostok, a detachment of warships of the Pacific Fleet was conducted on a long voyage. This is already the eighth such expedition to the Gulf of Aden. It included the large anti-submarine ship Marshal Shaposhnikov, a medium sea tanker “Irkut” and rescue tug “Alatau.” For four months, the crews will ensure the safety of navigation in the Horn of Africa. Before setting off on the campaign, the sailors conducted more than a dozen mini-exercises, during which they practiced actions in various emergency situations. 2 November 2012, 13:11 "http://www.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201211021359-xma4.htm
        2. Dimka off
          Dimka off 3 November 2012 12: 46
          +6
          But is it necessary to agree at all? Is it with those states that have fought more than once against us? They probably would not mind biting off a piece of fatter even now. As for me, urgently needs to be strengthened relations between the three states: Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. And then finally unite. Only this is our future.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 November 2012 22: 58
        +7
        Quote: 1976AG
        From the opinion of Latvia it’s not cold no one is hot. It’s enough to agree with Germany and France,


        in 1946, Germany was forced to sign the "Chancellor Act," which gives the full right to the United States to appoint chancellors in Germany. This "act" is valid to this day.
        Germany gave all its media into the hands of the United States and Israel in 1945
        Germany until 2010 paid reparations for World War I
        the war
        Israel received from Germany about 60 billion dollars from the Holocaust. In addition, the Israeli lobby occupying the United States removes $ 600 from them for reparations. for every Israeli soul and not at 10 years old but every year.
        My webpage
        Germany delivered Israel a Dolphin class submarine that can carry cruise missiles. It will be the sixth such submarine, which Germany will transfer to the Israeli Navy. Moreover, Israel will pay for it only two-thirds of the real value.
        Germany almost free supplies submarines to the Israeli side as Compensation for the crimes committed by Nazi Germany against the Jewish population during World War II
        My webpage.
        1. Karish
          Karish 3 November 2012 23: 07
          -4
          Quote: Ascetic
          in 1946, Germany was forced to sign the "Chancellor Act," which gives the full right to the United States to appoint chancellors in Germany. This "act" is valid to this day.

          lies
          Quote: Ascetic
          Germany gave all its media into the hands of the United States and Israel in 1945

          Storyteller. In 1945, Israel was not yet, as were 46 and 47 laughing
          Quote: Ascetic
          Israel received from Germany about 60 billion dollars from the Holocaust. In addition, the Israeli lobby occupying the United States removes $ 600 from them for reparations. for every Israeli soul and not at 10 years old but every year.

          60 billion - the total annual budget of Israel, I would have withdrawn from Germany and more. About 600 dollars, unfortunately, lies (ascetic you completely lied)
          Quote: Ascetic
          Germany delivered Israel a Dolphin class submarine that can carry cruise missiles. It will be the sixth such submarine, which Germany will transfer to the Israeli Navy. Moreover, Israel will pay for it only two-thirds of the real value.

          Well, what do you dislike about it? You only Assad for 10 billion dollars of weapons and gave Sev. Korea at 10 billion, and others at many tens, and ...?
          So we at least paid two-thirds.
          Quote: Ascetic
          supplies submarines to the Israeli side almost free of charge as compensation for the crimes committed by Nazi Germany against the Jewish population during World War II

          Everything is correct, and you Assad for the beautiful eyes, and Sev. Korea - for beautiful narrow eyes, or Chavez - For beautiful black eyes
          1. geo1286
            geo1286 4 November 2012 01: 48
            +4
            Quote: Karish
            60 billion - the total annual budget of Israel, I would have withdrawn from Germany and more. About 600 dollars, unfortunately, lies (ascetic you completely lied)

            So Israel takes off more .... Maybe you personally get something. Here are a few numbers:
            Since the formation of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949, the West German authorities have paid compensation to various individuals and groups who claimed to have been persecuted during the Third Reich. In 2000, Germany paid about 100 billion US dollars. By the end of the 80s, more than 5 millions of such applications for compensation. In 1945, there were only 3,5 million Jews who survived and survived the Holocaust. 1,5 million more Jews applied for compensation than suffered from the Germans. And in 2000, about 1 million more Jews received compensation from Germany, as if so few had died over the past half century .. Of course, I understand that in Israel good medicine, but not as good!
            1. Reks
              Reks 4 November 2012 01: 53
              +2
              Quote: geo1286
              And in 2000, about 1 million more Jews received compensation from Germany, as if so few had died over the past half century ..

              laughing laughing oh ... neighing thanks! These are Jews !!! Their head always works like a cash register ... well, what can we do here they were born laughing
            2. Heinrich ruppert
              Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 02: 47
              +6
              Quote: geo1286
              By the end of the 80s, more than 5 million such applications for compensation were filed, and in 1945 there were only 3,5 million Jews who survived and survived the Holocaust. 1,5 million more Jews applied for compensation than suffered from the Germans.

              Yes, that's right. I am German and I admit that it was all. And concentration camps, and atrocities against the innocent population. IT WAS. But when I meet on the street a person of a "certain nationality" born in 1947. And he proves to me that he is a prisoner of Buchenwald and pokes a tattoo on my hand in my eyes. I want to stuff my face with that.
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 4 November 2012 03: 58
                +3
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                a prisoner of Buchenwald and pokes a tattoo on my arm in my eyes. I want to fill such a face.

                Heinrich, and you write him another tattoo ... on the forehead "Kazel" ".
              2. Karish
                Karish 4 November 2012 08: 52
                -4
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                Yes, that's right. I am German and I admit that it was all. And concentration camps, and atrocities against the innocent population. IT WAS. But when I meet on the street a person of a "certain nationality" born in 1947. And he proves to me that he is a prisoner of Buchenwald and pokes a tattoo on my hand in my eyes. I want to stuff my face with that.

                Yes, and met many?
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                I am German and I admit that it was all

                Of course you admit, just say that there is no deportation right back, there have been cases, huh?
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                . I want to fill such a face.

                Well it's in the genes. And you can't crush genes with your finger.
              3. Karish
                Karish 4 November 2012 09: 32
                -4
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                But when I meet on the street a person of a "certain nationality" born in 1947

                those. is he at least 65 years old? And pokes you right? Did he show you a passport with a date of birth?
                I have quite a few acquaintances from Kazakhstani Germans; they were taken out by entire villages in the early 90s. So many of them (because of mental stupidity) believed that hatred of the Jews would help them more quickly assimilate in German society.
                Therefore, sitting at a table with friends (Badaeling, near Munich), he was very amazed when, upon the arrival of his next falconer, he greeted only Heil Hitler. I asked a friend what it was, and he answered me, he was a moron there (in the village).
                Are you by any chance his relative?
                1. Heinrich ruppert
                  Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 14: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Karish
                  Are you by any chance his relative?

                  And you are by no means a relative of the victims of abortion
                  Quote: Karish
                  those. is he at least 65 years old? And pokes you right? Did he show you a passport with a date of birth?

                  My ex-father-in-law is the police chief. And he knows about all your relatives there the exact date of birth
                  Quote: Karish
                  I asked a friend

                  Quote: Karish
                  I asked a friend

                  A friend is not a monkey who is shouted by accident.
                  Quote: Karish
                  Yes, and met many?

                  Quote: Karish
                  Yes, and met many?

                  Enough creatures.
                  Quote: Karish
                  Of course you admit, just say that there is no deportation right back, there have been cases, huh?

                  Tortured me deport understood.
                  Quote: Karish
                  Well it's in the genes. And you can't crush genes with your finger.

                  You need to Nagty
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 4 November 2012 17: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                    My ex-father-in-law is the police chief. And he knows about all your relatives there the exact date of birth

                    Oh ja ja, policeman! mother, trigger, testicles.
                    Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                    A friend is not a monkey who is shouted by accident.

                    In a nutshell, and he, unlike you (a descendant of unfinished fascists), is just a German.

                    Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                    Tortured me deport understood.

                    It's you at the Föderaler Migrationsdienstverwaltung, you will tell laughing
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 4 November 2012 17: 57
                    0
                    The familiar thing smelled familiar to the father-in-law, the chief of police ............ and then what?
                    1. Heinrich ruppert
                      Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 18: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: Karish
                      It's you at the Föderaler Migrationsdienstverwaltung, you will tell

                      Dofonorya. stew and straighten them.
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      The father-in-law smelled of something familiar

                      Are you a henchman? Just some information
                      Quote: Karish
                      Hi dad

                      I doubt that Podgorny Nikolai Ivanovich knows with you
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 18: 29
                        +2
                        I haven’t drunk on the Brudershaft yet .......... we choose expressions.
                      2. Heinrich ruppert
                        Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 18: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        I haven’t drunk at the Brudershaft yet.

                        After your comments, there is no desire
                      3. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 18: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        Dofonorya. stew and straighten them.

                        To the lantern (written separately), the horns (and not the raga)
                        Deutsche, you were little flogged in childhood. laughing
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        I doubt that Podgorny Nikolai Ivanovich knows with you

                        Of course not with me, he’s more and more with Muller laughing and with his brother-in-law-Intercharfuhrer wassat
                      4. Heinrich ruppert
                        Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 18: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        Unterscharfuhrer

                        learn a language that blurted out you know
                      5. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 18: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        learn a language that blurted out you know

                        I know, this is the lowest rank in the SS, consistent with the Criminal Assistant candidate for an internship-title in the Gestapo. Ask Papa, dvoehchnik, how will you distinguish the authorities?
            3. Karish
              Karish 4 November 2012 08: 46
              +1
              By the end of the 80s, more than 5 million such applications for compensation were filed. In 1945, there were only 3,5 million Jews who survived and survived the Holocaust.

              Just a small nuance, prisoners of concentration camps and hijacked to work in Germany (from Russia, as well as from many other countries) received the same compensation. In particular, my father-in-law (Russian), stolen from the Pskov region, being a 2-year-old child (with his whole family) in Bavaria and spent almost 3.5 years there
              .
              Quote: geo1286
              And in 2000, about 1 million more Jews received compensation from Germany, as if so few had died in these past half century

              I don’t know how much I receive, I was not interested, but those receiving compensation must meet the criteria approved by the German government and accepting documents for receiving compensation carried out by lawyers certified by the German side. Oh, what, why, and you cannot deny the Germans pedantry, only those who should.
              1. geo1286
                geo1286 4 November 2012 10: 55
                +1
                Quote: Karish
                Just a small nuance, prisoners of concentration camps and hijacked to work in Germany (from Russia, as well as from many other countries) received the same compensation. In particular, my father-in-law (Russian), stolen from the Pskov region, being a 2-year-old child (with his whole family) in Bavaria and spent almost 3.5 years there

                The figures given by me are ONLY FOR JEWS, Here is such a nuance, and you don't need these Jewish excuses, The data is taken from the book of Hermar Rudolph "Lectures on the Holocaust" 2005.
                1. Karish
                  Karish 4 November 2012 11: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: geo1286
                  The figures given by me are ONLY FOR JEWS, Here is such a nuance, and you don't need these Jewish excuses, The data is taken from the book of Hermar Rudolph "Lectures on the Holocaust" 2005.

                  Yes, just did not take into account another nuance,
                  In early 1996, a German court sentenced Rudolph to 14 months in prison for inciting hatred against Jews. He emigrated to the UK, and later to the United States, where authorities denied him political asylum and he was deported to Germany. March 15, 2007 was sentenced to 2,5 years in prison. July 4, 2009 was released from Mannheim prison.

                  Is the answer clear? The Germans know who they plant and for what? You are still on Ahmadinejad. Worthy sources
                  1. Heinrich ruppert
                    Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 14: 42
                    -2
                    Quote: Karish
                    Is the answer clear? The Germans know who they plant and for what

                    You got already NPD still not banned about not banned.
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 4 November 2012 17: 21
                      -2
                      Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                      You got already NPD still not banned about not banned.


                      Hitler, kaput !!! Hitler Youth wassat
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 17: 23
                        +2
                        Sasha, hello, I’m watching pasties for the future. good drinks
                      2. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 17: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sasha, hello, I’m watching pasties for the future.

                        Hello !!! Well, firstly, a happy holiday. !!!!!!!!!!
                        You know, the plan was exceeded in all respects, both in pasties and in Mark. We didn’t sit so sickly until 3 at night, the next day, oddly enough, there were no consequences.
                        So, good chebureks, yes, with a cool vodka, and with a good bazaar --- and in the morning like a cucumber. Today I flew to Eilat to rest for 5 days, Yu so that in general it’s not bad. A shark (i.e. I) will swim today in the Red Sea.
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 4 November 2012 17: 41
                        +2
                        Sasha, I'm sorry, and you have a holiday, go to the holiday branch, I reported about the gatherings there drinks soldier
                      4. Heinrich ruppert
                        Heinrich ruppert 4 November 2012 17: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Karish
                        Hitler, kaput !!! Hitler Youth

                        Idiot, where did you come from?
                      5. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 18: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        came out

                        Got out, written with * XNUMX * at the end.
                        What did you forget Russian, didn’t you learn German? Gestapo's father-in-chief was?

                        Hi dad wassat
                  2. geo1286
                    geo1286 4 November 2012 21: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Karish
                    Yes, just did not take into account another nuance,

                    Yes I took it into account, I took it into account ... And I even know what will happen next - now your kosher tribesmen will flock here from everywhere, fluff up the paisas and pretend that the Jews are out of business, and they will put me in the Foshists.




                    Quote: Karish
                    Are you still on Ahmadinejad

                    And then what does he have to do with it? Why should I refer to it ...? Translation of arrows to get off topic?

                    Quote: Karish
                    He emigrated to the UK, and later to the United States, where authorities denied him political asylum and he was deported to Germany. March 15, 2007 was sentenced to 2,5 years in prison. July 4, 2009 was released from Mannheim prison.


                    It is a pity, of course, that dissenters are again persecuted in Germany for their beliefs ...
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 4 November 2012 23: 20
                      -3
                      Quote: geo1286
                      Yes I took it into account, I took it into account ... And I even know what will happen next - now your kosher tribesmen will flock here from everywhere, fluff up the paisas and pretend that the Jews are out of business, and they will put me in the Foshists.

                      You know, we are sitting here so well, the Red Sea is splashing.
                      Therefore, I will answer you tomorrow, but for now, as Ranevskaya said
                      * Pioneers, go to the train ...... *
                      1. geo1286
                        geo1286 5 November 2012 19: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        Therefore, I will answer you tomorrow, but for now, as Ranevskaya said
                        * Pioneers, go to the train ...... *


                        Come on, don’t answer, rest ... I'm afraid your answer will be sad and miserable. I looked into the water ... After all, I guessed about your fellow tribesmen, and Faina Hirshevna Feldman was already lit up here ....

                        Quote: Karish
                        * Pioneers, go to the train ...... *


                        And here's my pioneer answer: "Kish mir in tukhes und zay gezund!"
    3. Maximars
      Maximars 3 November 2012 09: 19
      +2
      I still do not understand as a result of which we will slide 1000 years ago? As a result of the collapse of the United States or war? But in general .... well, we’ll roll down and roll, which means it’s destined. Death is just the beginning of a new life.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 3 November 2012 10: 03
        +2
        So everything must be done to prevent war for the sake of the future of our children, and we will always be in time for the next world.
    4. s1н7т
      s1н7т 3 November 2012 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Internet and cellular communications are history

      Perhaps you wanted to say - they will go down in history. laughing
      But how do we know who won ?! laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: c1n7
        Perhaps you wanted to say - they will go down in history

        probably so request
        Quote: c1n7
        But how do we know who won ?!

        Well, I hope that the telegraph and the morse will work and then you really decided to sit out in the rear belay At the front line you will be the first to know who won laughing
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 3 November 2012 17: 26
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, I hope that the telegraph and the morse will work and then you really decided to sit out in the rear. On the front line, you will be the first to know who won
          - Uzun-fist - literally from the Kazakh long ear, the method of spreading information on the steppe by word of mouth, they tried to memorize in order to minimize distortion (noise on the line) laughing So if both the telegraph and the morse are covered with a copper basin, there is still a reserve of data transfer technology laughing
    5. Kaa
      Kaa 3 November 2012 13: 08
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The US will be forced to start a warrior in saving the economy, but they will lose

      I propose to nominate both Romney and Obama for the Nobel Peace Prize without waiting for the results of the US elections. If the idea passes, then there will definitely be a war (there is a precedent). And in general, to make a Nobel Prize that passes from one state president to another, so that, so to speak, they do not forget what their "masters" expect from them. And then, along the way, one gets the impression that "the comrade presidents do not justify the high trust placed on them" by the financiers, well, no world war is brewing ... although the promise has been fulfilled ...
    6. Cadet787
      Cadet787 3 November 2012 22: 31
      0
      In Syria, the fate of Russia and not only is being decided today.
    7. ikrut
      ikrut 4 November 2012 17: 55
      +1
      Europe is Germany and France. AND EVERYTHING. And both have problems with the brazen Saxons. The rest of the "players" are pulled up "automatically", and one can ignore the operetta principalities.
  3. Septugian
    Septugian 3 November 2012 07: 59
    +3
    I don’t think that Assad will be eliminated in the near future, as if it didn’t sound as long as the USA and NATO are needed, and more the USA! There is an enemy who needs to be defeated before the clash with Iran, which means there is something to bother ordinary Americans with, and this is definitely not And I agree, the United States is one of the main terrorists on the planet!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: Septugian

      I don’t think Assad will be eliminated in the near future, as if it didn’t sound as long as the USA and NATO are needed, and more

      It is necessary, but not in power and not alive. They have already tried to eliminate it, but it has not succeeded. I think even now the amers are sleeping and see how to kill Assad.
  4. Lavrik
    Lavrik 3 November 2012 08: 00
    0
    1. In the event of a US attack on Syria, Russia can only help it morally and financially: without going beyond sanctions. 2. Brzezinski in his last book (published in the spring) sees the salvation of the West mainly in alliance with Russia.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 November 2012 08: 13
      +6
      Quote: Lavrik
      2. Brzezinski in his last book (published in spring) sees the salvation of the West mainly in alliance with Russia

      The salvation of America at the expense of Russia will be more correct in understanding Brzezhinsky’s words about an alliance. An alliance with the United States will not be possible in any of its forms, simply because the United States is hegemonic and will not give up its role.
  5. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 3 November 2012 08: 00
    0
    The legacy of the Fourth Reich lives in the womb of democracy.
  6. rash4961
    rash4961 3 November 2012 08: 07
    +1
    senor queso really argues. I completely agree with him.
  7. Irkit
    Irkit 3 November 2012 08: 22
    +2


    Nothing changes
  8. Focuser
    Focuser 3 November 2012 08: 30
    0
    Naive of course, but war cannot be allowed
  9. sefirs
    sefirs 3 November 2012 08: 53
    +13
    He registered only to say that Medvedev (with a small letter) is a traitor to Russia, and "s" are people without honor and conscience.
    Here's a poem about them

    American at Garden
    Can't find the toilet.
    Here, describing a new circle,
    I went into the yard. There are no people.
    Suddenly a stern cop: `` Don't ruin the fence! ''
    The American is a little alive:
    `` I och''eng, och''eng pissat need! ''
    “Let's go,” the guard answered.
    Here is a big house. Around everything is clean.
    Looks like janitors are throwing here!
    The tourist led the tourist to the facade:
    “Here,” he says. - Write here! ''
    For getting rid of flour
    The guard watched indifferently.
    Tourist buttoning pants
    The cop asked affably:
    ''ABOUT! Is this a Ryssky hlye-bo-salt?
    Is not it? A lot of compliment! ''
    `` American Embassy '',
    - the sluggishly gloomy cop answered.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 3 November 2012 11: 19
      +11
      The moral of the verse amused
      However, the poem is still outdated
      Much better to have
      Amerikos wanted to shit
      wink
  10. Wedmak
    Wedmak 3 November 2012 08: 59
    0
    And why no one can apply sanctions against the United States? Political economics? Afraid of rising tensions? Or is it difficult to find a reason (heh, heh, heh, rephrasing - if there was a country, but there would be a reason for sanctions)?
    A lot of manufactures were exported from the USA to China and Asia - if they were just closed, sanctioned or simply stopped, then the US economy would be seriously hit. Limiting the supply of oil and other energy sources is another blow! Freezing contracts for the supply of equipment (remember, turbine blades, rocket engines, titanium products, parts for aircraft) is another blow. Or do you seriously think that the United States alone can do something? The same goes for the UK. Yes, after that they will bend in a year!
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 3 November 2012 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      A lot of production was exported from the USA to China and Asia - if you just close them, impose sanctions or just stop it, everything will be a serious blow to the US economy

      And also a serious blow to the economy of the country in which these industries are located. Do they need this?
      Quote: Wedmak
      Limiting the supply of oil and other energy sources is another blow!

      The same blow to the economy of those who supply this oil.
      Quote: Wedmak
      Freezing contracts for the supply of equipment (remember, turbine blades, rocket engines, titanium products, parts for aircraft) is another blow.

      A cock in the ass will bite - they themselves will begin to produce.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 November 2012 13: 35
        +2
        Oh oh .... Sales markets other than the US in bulk! And about the rooster .... Maybe they will, it will only benefit them. Stop printing dollars and start printing more needed and useful things.
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 4 November 2012 11: 44
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          Oh oh .... Sales markets other than the United States in bulk!

          Well, well ... for them such a strong struggle is going on, and hardly anyone will want to lose them ...
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 3 November 2012 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      if you just close them, impose sanctions or just stop, everything, the US economy will be dealt a serious blow.

      Do you really think so?
      You see, the USA is a self-sufficient state and everything that the USA needs can be produced from its raw materials and on its territory.
      Why not done?
      First: save resources (irreparable by the way)
      Secondly: it is not economically profitable yet. By the way, it is now launched: Buy only American.
  11. Maximars
    Maximars 3 November 2012 09: 10
    +5
    Many may, disagree, but the history of Eurasian civilizations is CYCLING. Every hundred years, a colossal war is unleashed. What forces? There are many answers and they are contradictory. The question is, what do these wars lead to (specifically in our country)?
    Khazars, Pechenegs, papal Europe (cross campaigns), Mongols, again Europe (XVII century), again Europe (Napoleon), Europe (1st and 2nd M.V.). The war is inevitable and since it is inevitable, then my opinion is that from all the colossal wars, Mother Russia emerged victorious, the Slavic peoples united, gained great strength of spirit, patriotism, conquered science with huge heroic steps. You can trace how many times we stopped the rotten, immoral west from the eradication of Russian ideals, values ​​and spirit. I believe that Russia, its spiritual values, Orthodoxy, mentality - is the last frontier, the point of no return, erasing which the world will perish.
    Say I'm wrong.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 3 November 2012 10: 48
      0
      Quote: Maximars
      Slavic peoples united, gained great fortitude

      Hm Well, an example of the unification of Slavic peoples?
      1. tungus
        tungus 3 November 2012 15: 01
        +1
        Yes please. USSR and the Warsaw Treaty bloc.
        Almost all Slavic peoples (well, with the exception of Yugoslavia, they joined the non-aligned movement) were united into one military-political bloc, and subordinated to the Soviet Union, that is, Russia. Yes, not everything was smooth, but nevertheless, cultural, ideological, economic, etc., the merging of the countries of the bloc was ongoing.
        History does not have a subjunctive mood, however ... if this unification of peoples existed for at least two or three more generations, the world would be completely different.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 3 November 2012 16: 09
          +1
          Quote: tungus
          Yes please. USSR and the Warsaw Treaty bloc.

          And here it is wrong. In the USSR there was only one Slavic people - it is clear that he could unite only with non-Slavic people. The ATS also had nothing to do with the unification of the Slavs - a purely military-political union, nothing personal, as they say) Or were Germans, Romanians, Hungarians and Albanians - all Slavs? laughing
          But questions of economics, culture, etc., are probably CMEA nevertheless.
          And yet - in the ATS we had only one really reliable ally - the GDR, not the Slavs at all, by the way.
          1. tungus
            tungus 3 November 2012 16: 28
            +1
            In addition to the Romanians, there were Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, etc. And the fact of Russia's unification of the Slavic lands by the USSR in the face of the USSR is undeniable. Another thing is that this unification was carried out through the railway, mistakes and miscalculations were made. But learn from mistakes smile
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 4 November 2012 01: 15
              +2
              You ignored this
              Quote: c1n7
              in the internal affairs department we had only one really reliable ally - the GDR, not the Slavs at all, by the way.


              Quote: tungus
              And the fact of Russia's unification in the person of the USSR of Slavic lands is undeniable.

              Hm. How can you combine yours ?! What nonsense ?! Already calm down and read the story, or something. Either patriots (without quotes), or liberals - soon will not understand at all!
    2. Guun
      Guun 3 November 2012 11: 22
      0
      As far as I remember the Khazars, Pechenegs, Polovtsy, Mongols, the Slavic peoples paid tribute (nomads are such a people that they do not sit in one place and could forget about the Slavs and go to other lands as the Pechenegs and Polovtsy did, and the internecine strife was strong,). The Pechenegs and Polovtsy it was a joint campaign of then two strong tribes of the Kipchaks and Argyns, but the Mongols put an end to this (Kipchaks and Argyns joined the horde). And it is not necessary to forget that certain peoples were strong in the past and might soon or soon become strong (Mongols, Romans, Arabs, Turks, Spaniards, French, etc. - all of them were power in the Middle Ages and the world reckoned with them, but now what remains of their power?) My opinion is that you should not overestimate otherwise you can be very disappointed.
      1. tungus
        tungus 3 November 2012 16: 08
        +3
        You do not remember well. Not a single nomadic people in history has created a state. Mongol Exception laughing However, this is nonsense! Scientists studied the genetic history of mankind, including Russia. So, the population of Russia does not even have signs of the Mongol halogen DNA. Absolutely not.
        Fun, right? But what about the historically recorded marriage unions of the Mongol khans and Russian princes? There were so many mixed marriages that even the chroniclers sometimes got confused who their relative was. And this has happened everywhere for centuries! And not only in the ruling elite, but also in the levels below! So where, then, is Mongolian blood, which the population of Russia does not have at all? There are no residual signs!
        The question arises, did the Mongols conquer the floor of the world?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 3 November 2012 17: 36
          +1
          Quote: tungus
          You do not remember well. Not a single nomadic people in history has created a state.
          - It depends on what the state means, Tungus. Ermak actually stumbled upon a well-organized army, formed by non-Mongols. True, he defeated her. Be that as it may, he conquered the state. There is a dispute in the signs of the state. For that matter, in Ukraine there was no steppe people at all, but the state was organized there quite recently. And before that - all of someone’s land, then the Principality of Lithuania, then the Commonwealth, then someone else’s. Nomad is a sign of housekeeping, a way of life, this does not correlate with the organization of the state.
          1. tungus
            tungus 3 November 2012 18: 19
            +2
            Are you talking about the Siberian Khanate? The Mongol Jochi conquered it in the 1206 year.
            Further. What do we mean by nomadic peoples? These are tribes that migrate to a certain area for economic and economic reasons. These are pastoralists forced to change their places of residence due to the exhaustion of the fodder base for livestock. They don't have cities, simply because they are not needed. They do not have a rigid intergeneric power structure. If someone starts to "build" a nomadic clan, he simply takes off from his place and leaves. This is the reason for the impossibility of building a state by nomads.
            The state on the lands of nomads is built by alien tribes leading a sedentary lifestyle. And it is these tribes that impose their will on the nomads. Those either join the state of aliens, or start a war with them, or go to other lands. They do not create their own state. There is not a single example in history, I repeat.
            1. Guun
              Guun 4 November 2012 07: 38
              0
              Quote: tungus
              They do not create their own state. There is not a single example in history, I repeat.

              The state is a special institution of the political system that organizes, directs, and controls the joint activities and relations of individuals, general groups, and classes.
              The White Horde (the history of the Kazakhs) nothing what was such a state?
              Quote: tungus
              They do not have cities, simply because they are not needed

              You don’t know the history of nomadic states. For example, Kazakhs (and Kazakhs nomads) had cities. Otar, Sairam, Syutken, Sygnak, Kok-Kesen
              e, Sauran, Suyab, Balasagun, Gent, Saraichi
              to, Kemekalgan, Kayalyk, Ilibalyk.http: //www.kazakhstan.orex
              ca.com/rus/kazakhstan_his
              tory_cities.shtml
        2. Guun
          Guun 4 November 2012 07: 19
          -1
          Desht and Kipchak is a Kipchak-based state, and the Kipchaks are nomads. Have you heard about the state of the Karakhanids? I know the story well. And the fact that the Mongols don’t bleed blood is a lie, show evidence that says that the DNA of Russians is pure from the Mongols? When Genghis Khan conquered he took other nations with every noble family of women, this was preserved by his descendants. Here’s the Dokfilm about Genghis Khan, shot by the Air Force based on the Mongolian and Chinese chronologies, and then they will tell you how many dna of the Mongols in all of Eurasia, and here the scientists also analyzed dna .http: //dokumentfilm.ru/istorija/drevnie_civilizacii/133-chingisxan-dokumenta
          lnye-filmy.html
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 4 November 2012 08: 49
            0
            If you know the story, then, apparently, the Kazakh version!
            Links to the Mongolian and Chinese annals - better not tell good people! There have never been any Mongolian chronicles, and the Chinese are analogous to the double game of a deaf phone - with great difficulty one can only guess what is written there generally ...
          2. tungus
            tungus 4 November 2012 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: Guun
            .And that in Russians the blood of the Mongols does not flow is a lie, get evidence


            Please smile
            What do halo groups know?
            Each person has 23 pairs of chromosomes in which all the genetic information inherited from the parents is recorded. Chromosomes are formed at the time of conception by crossing over (crossover), each takes half from the maternal chromosome and half from the paternal.
            Only one male chromosome, Y, is not involved in this lottery; it is completely transmitted from father to son as a relay stick. It should be noted that women do not have it at all.
            With each new generation in some parts of the chromosome - loci, mutations occur, it is thanks to these mutations that it becomes possible to reconstruct the genus. There are many loci on the Y chromosome, but only about a hundred are used to obtain the haplotype. Every several generations, a mutation occurs at each locus; the number of repeats suddenly decreases by 1-2 repeats or increases.
            SO. The main halogen groups of Russians.
            R1a1, R1b1, I1, I2, N1c1
            I translate into Russian.
            The genetic composition of Russians is as follows:
            Proto-Slavs (Indo-Europeans) - 47%
            Baltic (Ural) - 20%
            And two fraternal families of primordial Europeans since the Paleolithic
            Normans (Scandinavians) - 6%
            Balkans (Southern Europeans) - 11%
            Well, the halogen groups of Germans, Armenians, Romanians, Italians and other European nations are present in small quantities.
            No 300 summer Tataromongol yoke can be traced.
            http://haplogroup.narod.ru/russ.html
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 4 November 2012 22: 01
              0
              For a long time I suspect that there was no Tatar-Mongol yoke. There was a process of strengthening Orthodoxy (and the descendants of Vsevolod the Big Nest) and attempts to "crusade" to the West. The hidden genocide of the Russians by Byzantium's henchmen. And no Mongols! By the way, until now no one has found a single sample of the "Tatar-Mongols" writing, not a single city, including the legendary capital. There was nothing like.
  12. Karish
    Karish 3 November 2012 09: 13
    -3
    Quote: Wedmak
    Or do you seriously think that the United States alone can do something?

    You probably do not understand the US GDP - 14 trillion bucks. This is what is produced in the USA. That which is produced abroad is not included in the GDP. 25% of world production is what is produced in the USA. If you collect all the daughters around the world, in general everything will become bad for numbers
    Gross domestic product (Gross Domestic Product), generally accepted reduction - GDP (English GDP) is a macroeconomic indicator reflecting the market value of all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct consumption) produced per year in all sectors of the economy in the territory states for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the factors of production used. This concept was first proposed in 1934 by Simon Kuznets.

    Domestically, not at subsidiaries abroad. What's not clear ?
    Products and services for 14 trillion bucks, who produces them? Aliens. In America, more than 300 million people, unemployment 8%, where does everyone work? In China, or what?
    Enough of entertaining yourself with illusions, America works and works in such a way that God forbid everyone. I have been to America and I know what I'm talking about more than once.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 November 2012 09: 40
      +1
      Well, well .... I'm not an expert on economics, but I am very surprised by the fact that the US foreign debt is greater than its entire GDP. This is the time. Huge military spending, a credit crisis, unemployment is rising. These are two. These 14 trillion bucks of GDP are simply a green paper bubble that the United States has managed to hook the whole world on!
      1. Karish
        Karish 3 November 2012 10: 22
        +4
        Quote: Wedmak

        Well, well .... I'm not a specialist in economics

        I see.
        Quote: Wedmak
        that US foreign debt is greater than its entire GDP.

        Doesn’t say anything, its debt is only annual GDP, Germany and France can only dream of such indicators, and the rest of the Eurozone countries cannot even dream
        You’ll give an example - that in Russia it is smaller (I agree) but in macro-indicators it doesn’t say anything,
        America - 101% of GDP
        The European Union - 108% of GDP (of which Germany - 159%, Spain - 165%, Holland - 363%, England - 396%, etc. Switzerland 261, Ireland - 1060% and Luxembourg - 3061% (although having traveled to Luxembourg I didn’t see the people in a panic, life there is at such a level that it seemed to me that even cows are smiling))
        Russia - 23%, but more than in
        In China -7%
        India -18%
        Brazil - 14%
        Israel -21% (sweetheart love )
        Egypt - 15%
        Nigeria - 6%
        Does the level of external debt indicate that in Nigeria they live 4 times better than in Russia and almost 1000 times better than in Luxembourg?
        Quote: Wedmak
        Huge military spending

        US 660 billion, from 14 trillion - 4,7% of GDP,
        Russia 71 billion from 1.58 trillion (GDP) - 4049% of GDP
        Feel the difference, in my opinion the same
        Quote: Wedmak
        credit system crisis

        Well, these tales in general, not in your competence. The credit system crisis is what happened in 2007, now this is not close
        Quote: Wedmak
        unemployment is rising

        Unemployment rate in
        United States - 7,9%
        Eurozone - 11,6%
        Russia - 6,2%
        In fact, the unemployment rate (across Russia) simply cannot be compared with the United States, for the simple reason of the difference in labor productivity (which in America is 4 times higher than in Russia), therefore, to produce a unit of output in Russia, you just need more workers (hence a higher level employment) If, but here too (unemployment figures do not vary much.) in the eurozone, the situation is much worse.
        Quote: Wedmak
        The 14 trillion bucks of GDP is simply a green paper bubble that the United States has managed to plant the whole world on!

        The people are not so dumb. And the world system is the same. They keep bucks because they believe that no matter what happens - the buck will remain the buck (and he has already proved it more than once) the Euro has lost much more, and the dollar - it is also the dollar in Africa.
        Therefore, leave the cliché of communism. Look at the root. Sincerely. hi
        1. Karish
          Karish 3 November 2012 10: 41
          +4
          Quote: Karish
          US 660 billion, from 14 trillion - 4,7% of GDP,
          Russia 71 billion from 1.58 trillion (GDP) - 4049% of GDP

          Sorry, put a zero instead of a comma, right 4.49% from GDP
        2. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 3 November 2012 10: 51
          +4
          Good afternoon! In my opinion, the basis of America’s production is the production of dollars! When you print money yourself, you don’t have to think about the cost of production and the availability of resources. Expensively, we’ll print more bucks and buy, they don’t sell, we take away by force! And what do you call a successful economy? If the United States loses the possibility of uncontrolled emissions, this will make their production unprofitable. The main industries moved outside the United States, there remained only high-tech and military industries and the service sector. About 50% of US GDP is income from the financial sector i.e. these are not goods, but financial services.
          Alexander 1958
          1. Karish
            Karish 3 November 2012 11: 13
            -1
            Quote: Alexander 1958
            In my opinion, the basis of America’s production is the production of dollars!

            The Zimbabwean crisis began in 2000, after President Mugabe took the land from the whites and gave them to blacks.
            The entire agricultural sector was immediately covered, sanctions were introduced against the country, inflation began.
            This year, inflation reached a record 231 million percent per year.
            Do you understand this figure? 231% per year. Unemployment - 000%, a third of the population left the country

            This happens when money is printed and not provided with goods or services. Finance is math.
            Inflation (lat. Inflatio - bloating) - an increase in the general level of prices for goods and services. With inflation for the same amount of money after some time, it will be possible to buy less goods and services than before. In this case, they say that over the past time the purchasing power of money has decreased, money has depreciated - they have lost part of their real value.
            those. when cash is not secured, they simply become cheaper. (Your statements about empty pieces of paper - dollars)
            But inflation in the USA is 2%, in Russia - 6.7% (last year 6.1% - by the way, why did it rise in 2012?)
            Look at the numbers. Everything is very simple in Russia empty rubles are issued in (roughly speaking) 3 times more than in the USA - therefore inflation is 3 times higher. Mathematics does not lie.
            1. Alexander 1958
              Alexander 1958 3 November 2012 14: 48
              +5
              For Karish
              Finance is mathematics .. Well, yes, yes .. As an example of mathematics in American, I will tell a Soviet joke.
              In the restaurant, the waitress writes an account of the company that has gone to sleep and says out loud .. So .. Forty and forty-ruble forty .. Didn’t they take the bread? - Two forty! Here is an example of the formation of economic indicators in the United States and not only ..
              And about inflation in the USA, if you want to believe, believe, you can even believe that the USA is the most democratic country in the world laughing .
              Your words ... if cash is not secured, they simply become cheaper .. In a closed payment system, yes, and if you buy a lot of oil for these printed pieces of paper from Saudi Arabia, then there will be no inflation, there will be financing by the whole world of the US parasitic economy
              Alexander 1958
              1. Karish
                Karish 3 November 2012 16: 35
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                Quote: Alexander 1958
                Finance is mathematics ... Well, yes.

                It’s possible without * as if. *
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                As an example of mathematics in American, I will tell a Soviet joke.
                In the restaurant, the waitress writes an account of the company that has gone to sleep and says out loud .. So .. Forty and forty-ruble forty .. Didn’t they take the bread? - Two forty!

                Who is the sizzling company? Or the meaning is not clear.
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                Here is an example of the formation of economic indicators in the United States and not only ..

                You are in the economy, as I understand it. do not understand anything. Mould in the sandbox.
                Fools, no, you were not connected with the exchange? Have you ever invested money? So the slightest hint of deception destroys stock quotes at times. With the dollar so far it has not been observed --- they believe.

                Quote: Alexander 1958
                And about inflation in the USA, if you want to believe, believe, you can even believe that the USA is the most democratic country in the world

                In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle. The connection between inflation and democracy is only in the inflamed imagination. There is no democracy in Saudi Arabia, but inflation is zero.

                Quote: Alexander 1958
                Your words ... when cash is not secured, they simply become cheaper .. In a closed payment system, yes,

                Did you come up with this term now? A closed system? A closed system is a non-convertible currency.
                Quote: Alexander 1958
                and if for these printed pieces of paper you buy a lot of oil from Saudi Arabia, then there will be no inflation - there will be financing by the whole world of the US parasitic economy

                Sorry. Well and porridge in your head. I also do not want to refute separately. Everything is just nonsense.
            2. tungus
              tungus 3 November 2012 15: 45
              +7
              let's first, okay?
              So, there are so many dollars with the world that no one already knows how many there are for sure. Hundreds of trillions in the financial sector. Unsecured. Why is there no inflation in the USA, and in other countries whose currency is pegged to the dollar, is there?
              Everything is simple. The states export their inflation along with the dollar.
              Example. The Fed printed (or rather painted on a computer) 10 mld. This money does not go to the domestic state market (therefore, there is no inflation) but is transferred to the external market. On these 10 mld. for example, oil is bought and imported into the United States. Those. The United States, as it were, did not print dollars, but oil. A product appeared in the country, and the printed dollars seemed to be provided with oil. AS IF!
              What happens next? The country that sold oil received unsecured dollars. What to do with this paper? She is returned to the United States, receiving in return receipts (government bonds). The national currency is printed for the amount of available government bonds. National course Currency is the ratio of the volume of bonds to the ratio of the volume of money supply within the country.
              Those. country selling oil at 10 mln. unsecured dollars, raped inflation from the unsecured dollar, but the dollars themselves do not have! They are not!. There are only receipts for which no one will ever pay. States do not even consider repaying debts, they just want to reduce the size of new annual borrowings !.
              Further. The dollars returned to the states, and this is bad, because they are not provided, there are many of them, and they need to be put somewhere. What to do? Right! It is for these dollars that the financial sector was invented, (all of these forex, stocks, bonds, indices, stock exchanges, etc.) which is not connected in any way with the real sector of the economy, and in which a terrifying amount is spinning these unsecured dollars. Here is such a system.
              BUT! This system CANNOT exist for any lengthy period of time, like any pyramid.
              What will happen if tomorrow the Arabs do not sell oil for dollars? And Russia will not sell? Just because these receipts already have nowhere to go? And they will sell, say, for the national currency, i.e. bypassing the dollar system?
              And what will happen if China demands to cash out its receipts (there are more than 2x trillion) or at least want to enter the market with these receipts and try to buy something on them? Can you imagine what will happen to world prices, and what will be the inflation of the dollar? Zimbabwe seems like a children's pioneer camp.
              And what will happen when the financial sector bursts and tens of trillions of dollars fall into the real economy? We saw an easy demo version of this process in 2008m. A very stripped down version. Then there was still enough resources to plug the hole. However, even then gold went up 6 times! But there are no more resources!
              1. Karish
                Karish 3 November 2012 16: 52
                +1
                Quote: tungus
                States export their inflation along with the dollar

                Another economist. This is how much they export? 2.7% per year laughing Maybe Russia to import it.

                Quote: tungus
                National course Currency is the ratio of the volume of bonds to the ratio of the volume of money supply within the country.

                Not right. Just initially not right.

                Quote: tungus
                Those. the country that sold oil at 10 billion. unsecured dollars, raped inflation from an unsecured dollar, but the dollars themselves do not have!

                Give an example of Saudi Arabia with zero inflation. They are selling oil to the states. And in Russia inflation off? From Europe ?
                Quote: tungus
                There are only receipts for which no one will ever pay.

                US government bonds have never been unpaid. Do you think that government bonds are pieces of paper? They have a maturity and a fixed percentage of profits. Bonds exist for 3, 5, 10, 20 and 25 years. And they have never been paid. because non-payment of debt by the state is called DEFOLT, to remind in which country he was already 2 times ?!

                Quote: tungus
                BUT! This system CANNOT exist for any lengthy period of time, like any pyramid.

                Pyramid - it was GKO (Russia) if you remember how many collapsed? 3 years later . You can’t deceive the people, until today the US treasury bonds are quoted by the highest credit rating and there was no case that the placement of new ones ended unsuccessfully (that is, they were not bought corny) They buy everything and quickly.
                Quote: tungus
                What will happen if tomorrow the Arabs do not sell oil for dollars? And Russia will not sell? Just because these receipts already have nowhere to go? And they will sell, say, for the national currency, i.e. bypassing the dollar system?

                After tomorrow, there will be nothing to eat in these countries. Who pays . he and the girl are dancing.

                Quote: tungus
                And what will happen when the financial sector bursts and tens of trillions of dollars fall into the real economy?


                When the financial sector collapses. money will not be stupid .tk. the main money is in the value of production assets. The plant went bankrupt, depositors' money flew away. You are confusing basic positions in the economy. The problem can only be when people massively begin to withdraw money from their accounts and buy goods
                .
                Quote: tungus
                An easy demo version of this process was observed in 2008. A very stripped down version.

                And that there was inflation in America. There was no money, Markets stood up and production because the basis of economics and production is credit. Without money, everything fell. Billions of dollars did not rush, they simply were not there. Take an interest and do not carry a gag.
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 3 November 2012 17: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Karish
                  Take an interest and do not carry a gag.

                  Markets stood up with American homeless people ... joint responsibility ...
                2. tungus
                  tungus 3 November 2012 17: 49
                  +4
                  Nus, let's continue the educational program.
                  About 2.7 percent did not understand. Specify what you wanted to say.

                  About the exchange rate winked
                  The ruble exchange rate is determined by the number of rubles in the Russian economy and the number of gold reserves-those receipts. That is, the amount of ruble money supply in the country is divided by gold reserves (500 billion dollars or something like that) and we get 30 with copecks wink This scheme works in all countries whose currencies are pegged to the dollar — such is the IMF requirement. Less receipts, lower course nat. currencies. By the way, from this principle it can be assumed that a country that does not sell anything for dollars cannot have its own national currency wink

                  About the Saudis. And who told you that there is no inflation? Inflation is everywhere. Look at the graphs of raw materials and food prices over the past 10 years, and you will be very surprised laughing
                  By the way, more about the Saudis. What do they export besides oil? The answer is nothing. And what do they import? All the rest.
                  Conclusion, the Saudis simply increase the value of the national currency by inflation. They can afford it, because they do not export anything else and they do not need cheap currency to ensure the competitiveness of goods in foreign markets.
                  In short, because it allows the structure of the economy and the amount of gold reserves. As a result, the Saudis do not feel inflation within the country, but this does not mean that it is not laughing They have to give more and more oil to buy everything else.

                  I have never once state. US bonds were not paid laughing Paid by the STATE! New Fed dollars are printed for payment of bonds, which make the same cycle. As a result, there are more and more dollars, and more bonds. Debt is growing. Imagine the year in which US debt declined. I am looking forward.

                  GKO is baby talk compared to the dollar pyramid. It’s like a pomegranate compared to a nuclear weapon
                  About ratings laughing And who finances these agencies? Who do they belong to? laughing Hint to you? And they are buying up, because such is the SYSTEM. Do you know that Greece has US bonds.? All countries in Europe are buying these papers! And this despite the fact that they themselves live on credit! They live on credit, but lend to the USA! Moreover, they lend at a lower percentage than they borrow! Do they have so much extra money? NOT! Just such a system! It is the responsibility of central banks to buy treasure! There are, of course, private companies that do this. They do it just because it is reliable. And reliability rests on the responsibilities of central banks! On the structure of the SYSTEM.
                  continued below.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 3 November 2012 20: 46
                    -2
                    Quote: tungus
                    Nus, let's continue the educational program.
                    About 2.7 percent did not understand. Specify what you wanted to say.

                    Inflation in America, Cree Dollar
                    Quote: tungus
                    ruble urs is determined by the number of rubles in the Russian economy and the number of gold reserves of the same receipts.

                    the ruble exchange rate (to the dollar) is determined during the trading session on the exchange and may fluctuate depending on the offer-purchase, at the end of each quarter (for example) when Russian companies need more dollars to pay for loans, the rate automatically increases. (0 dollar, because there are more people who want to buy than people who want to sell. We observe the same situation during various crises and misunderstandings (in politics) when demand for dollars rises sharply and therefore its rate rises and the ruble falls. To gold and currency reserves, the ruble The central bank, through foreign exchange intervention, can hold the ruble exchange rate (throwing it out for sale upon demand) or buy surplus dollars so as not to strengthen the ruble exchange rate (which is fraught with a decrease in the competitiveness of Russian goods and a decrease in the ruble equivalent of advanced oil. I explained in detail. Your speculation is only your speculation
                    Quote: tungus
                    Less receipts, lower course nat. currencies.

                    baby talk. the purchase of US debt is the placement of surplus money at a profitable interest and guaranteed savings of part of nat. currencies from inflation.
                    Quote: tungus
                    ro saudi. And who told you that there is no inflation?

                    The inflation is minimal. but generally economically zero inflation is bad, it speaks of the stagnation of the economy and the threat of diflation (that is, stagnation is already actual. when inflation is negative) Therefore * useful * inflation is kept at 1.3-2.1%, this suggests that there is a minimal excess of money supply stimulating production (and consumption), inflation above these numbers generally starts to be problematic.
                    Prodzhim educational program
                3. rolik
                  rolik 4 November 2012 00: 19
                  +1
                  I was 29 years old in mattress, and this was only a warm-up.
              2. Yura
                Yura 3 November 2012 17: 12
                +1
                Let me congratulate you, good comment, it says all that is needed and correct.
                Quote: tungus
                BUT! This system CANNOT exist for any lengthy period of time, like any pyramid.
                And the hour seems to have arrived, the pyramid began to crumble threatening to bury us all under its rubble. Is it steady? Yes, we can stand it, there’s no other way, there’s simply no option.
                1. tungus
                  tungus 3 November 2012 18: 32
                  +3
                  About nothing to eat ...
                  Even there are no words. Amers will have nothing to eat. Because it is the largest importing economy in the world. They buy everything. For dollars. And if tomorrow they stop accepting these dollars, then half of the country will be starved to death. That is why amers are now fighting around the world. They overthrow regimes that may be dangerous to them. Which may give up the dollar. Comrade Gaddafi is a vivid example of this. But they can’t do anything with China.

                  When the financial sector collapses, there will be a total depreciation of the dollar. But the plants will not go bankrupt. See:
                  The plant issued shares and held an initial public offering. He received money for the shares and put them into production. EVERYTHING! What will happen next with these shares is not interesting for him. They can go up in price, get cheaper, but anything! The plant is not hot from this, not cold! He has already received the money! But the players in the financial sector will suffer or enrich themselves! Banks, funds and more. That is, holders of shares, blocks of shares, which include shares of this plant, woodworkers, etc. Moreover, the value of the plant’s shares will not be connected in any way with the situation at the plant itself. The plant may function properly, and the stock will become cheaper Figure. You see, such a picture appeared on the chart.
                  So, as soon as the financial sector collapses. those. all these papers will become worthless - a huge amount of dollars will be released. which simply will have nowhere to invest, the shares have depreciated! And these dollars will go to the real sector - to raw materials (to real raw materials and not raw assets on the exchange!) To products, to something tangible! and the price tag for this tangible fly up to heaven! More precisely, the dollar will fall below the plinth

                  And the last In 2008, we observed the depreciation of the dollar. An example is oil prices. The economies of developed countries fell, oil consumption fell, and ROSLA oil! Yes, she sank slightly at the beginning, but then she grew up! No matter what! A drop in sales in the real sector, a drop in the economies of the largest oil importers, an increase in oil production, an increase in stocks in the USA, and oil is still growing! This is not oil rising, this is the dollar falling! In relation to, for example, gold, oil is becoming cheaper. wink
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 3 November 2012 20: 47
                    +1
                    Extension
                    Quote: tungus
                    By the way, more about the Saudis. What do they export besides oil? The answer is nothing.

                    Well, in general, like Russia, 90% of exports are raw materials.
                    Quote: tungus
                    Conclusion, the Saudis simply increase the value of the national currency by inflation. They can afford it because they don’t export anything else.

                    some kind of nonsense. just do not understand why all this? They finished last year with a surplus of 600 billion dollars. They generally do not stupid on these occasions
                    Quote: tungus
                    As a result, the Saudis do not feel inflation within the country, but this does not mean that it is not there. They have to give more and more oil to buy everything else.

                    that would be right. if oil prices fell, but read the previous comment, they have so much money. what I do not know . do they know how much. Last year (only one) surplus 600bn. Bucks
                    Quote: tungus
                    I have never once state. US bonds were not paid Paid by the STATE! New Fed dollars are printed for payment of bonds, which make the same cycle.

                    No fairy tales. economy doesn't work like that
                    Quote: tungus
                    See the year in which US debt declined. I'm impatient

                    The maximum state debt of the USA was in 1950 - 150% of GDP (the consequences of the war are understandable). then it decreased until 1970 and reached 33% of GDP, then it rose up to 1990 and again was 68% of GDP, then a minimum of 2000% of GDP decreased to 57. now 101% of GDP.
                    I have explained in detail. There were worse times in America. But again I repeat.
                    Germany -165% of GDP, Ireland 1000% of GDP, Luxembourg 3000% of GDP
                    Compared to Europe, America is generally full of chocolate, but debt is not an indicator at all. The figure is huge - but it is only 100% of GDP - not fatal and far from fatal
                    In 2000, Russia's public debt reached 200% of GDP — nothing died.
                    Quote: tungus
                    GKO is babble

                    To be continued
                  2. rolik
                    rolik 4 November 2012 00: 24
                    +3
                    tungus good drinks makes Karish to the fullest. Unfortunately, the latter cannot understand this or does not want to. But even without this, it is clear who is right.
              3. tungus
                tungus 3 November 2012 17: 50
                +2
                About nothing to eat ... laughing
                There are no words smile There will be nothing to eat at ov. Because it is the largest importing economy in the world. They buy everything. For dollars. And if tomorrow they stop accepting these dollars, then half of the world will go hungry. That is why amers are now fighting around the world. They overthrow regimes that may be dangerous to them. Which may give up the dollar. Comrade Gaddafi is a vivid example of this. But they can’t do anything with China. laughing

                When the financial sector collapses, there will be a total depreciation of the dollar. But the plants will not go bankrupt laughing See:
                Zavot issued shares and held an initial public offering. He received money for the shares and put them into production. EVERYTHING! What will happen next with these shares is not interesting for him. They can go up in price, get cheaper, but anything! The plant is not hot from this, not cold! He has already received the money! But the players in the financial sector will suffer or enrich themselves! Banks, funds and more. That is, holders of shares, blocks of shares, which include shares of this plant, woodworkers, etc. Moreover, the value of the plant’s shares will not be connected in any way with the situation at the plant itself. laughing Zavot may work properly, and stocks will become cheaper laughing Figure. You see, such a picture appeared on the chart. laughing
                So, as soon as the financial sector collapses. those. all these papers will become worthless - a huge amount of dollars will be released. which simply will have nowhere to invest, the shares have depreciated! And these dollars will go to the real sector - to raw materials (to real raw materials and not raw assets on the exchange!) To products, to something tangible! and the price tag for this tangible fly up to heaven! More precisely, the dollar will fall below the plinth laughing

                And the last laughing In 2008, we observed the depreciation of the dollar. An example is oil prices. The economies of developed countries fell, oil consumption fell, and ROSLA oil! Yes, she sank slightly at the beginning, but then she grew up! No matter what! A drop in sales in the real sector, a drop in the economies of the largest oil importers, an increase in oil production, an increase in stocks in the USA, and oil is still growing! This is not oil rising, this is the dollar falling!
                1. tungus
                  tungus 3 November 2012 18: 33
                  +1
                  Some kind of glitch ... Mr. moderator, please remove the post, for some reason it was duplicated. However, I cannot make changes.
                  1. Karish
                    Karish 3 November 2012 21: 06
                    +2
                    well, in the end
                    Quote: tungus
                    and the price tag for this tangible fly up to heaven! More precisely, the dollar will fall below the plinth

                    Comrade, do not wishful thinking. The first consequence of the crisis of the banking system of 2008 was a fall in commodity prices, oil fell to 40 bucks, and the plants stood up. That was just recently. Can't you remember?
                    I understand I would like to think that the dollar will collapse, and oil will not lose its price - it is simple. Remember the events of five years ago.
                    Quote: tungus
                    And last In 2008, we observed the depreciation of the dollar. Sample oil prices

                    You kind of twitched, we saw the depreciation of oil from 150 bucks per barrel to 40 ka, but dollar inflation in 2008 was just below 4%.
                    Quote: tungus
                    and ROSLA oil

                    are you okay ?
                    Where did you grow up? In your head? Fell in half a year from 150 to 40 per barrel
                    Quote: tungus
                    This is not oil rising, this is the dollar falling!

                    Read the basic course of economics and stop giving wishful thinking. Good luck in your hard business
                    1. Sergh
                      Sergh 4 November 2012 05: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: Karish
                      Comrade, do not wishful thinking. The first consequence of the crisis of the banking system in 2008 was a fall in commodity prices, oil fell to 40 bucks, and the plants stood up.

                      Comrade-uh, at least for a start you would google it, otherwise you’ll carry a blizzard and confuse young people:
                      The maximum price of WTI (Light Sweet) oil was reached on July 11, 2008, exceeding $ 147 per barrel.

                      Brent oil from December 22, 2008 to February 23, 2009 held at $ 40, where from March 1 it jumped first by $ 4, and at the end of the month reached $ 50 and slowly went up. So that the lower limit can be traced, lasted only two months:

                      1. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 08: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Sergh
                        ovarisch-sch, at least you would google-for a start, otherwise you carry a blizzard and confuse young people:

                        Excuse me, did you just confirm my words or do you have objections to what I wrote? In my opinion, your schedule remarkably confirms my words. - The first consequence of the banking crisis of 2008 is a sharp drop in commodity prices (and oil in particular)
                        Tungus is trying to convince me of the opposite, that in a crisis, prices will jump * to heaven * - according to him.
                2. Karish
                  Karish 3 November 2012 21: 06
                  +1
                  Let's continue the educational program
                  Exactly since T-bills were pure pyramid
                  Quote: tungus
                  About ratings And who finances these agencies? Who do they belong to? Give you a hint

                  Well, of course, that means the numbers you like are correct. and not like it - corrupt. Good reasoning. Only basic numbers - Goskomstat laughing
                  Quote: tungus
                  SYSTEM. You know that Greece has US bonds

                  I know that all over the world there are Greek debt bonds and they can only be wiped. but the American have never been paid.
                  Quote: tungus
                  They live on credit, but lend to the United States.

                  So what? If the percentage of one debtor is higher than I can get from myself (or my debt at the lowest interest), I can play on the difference in the percentage, or is it UNABLE for YOU?
                  Quote: tungus
                  It is the responsibility of central banks to buy treasure! There are, of course, private companies that do this. They do it just because it is reliable.

                  and I mean, American GKOs are reliable
                  Quote: tungus
                  And reliability rests on the responsibilities of central banks! On the very structure of the SYSTEM.

                  Say it about the central bank of Zimbabwe, Iceland or Greece. The Central Bank (of your country) is not always reliable
                  Quote: tungus
                  Because it is the largest importing economy in the world.

                  Well ?
                  Quote: tungus
                  They overthrow regimes that may be dangerous to them. Which may give up the dollar. Comrade Gaddafitom example.

                  Gaddafi was dangerous to them? After everything paid and bowed and drove oil without stopping? Do not make me laugh
                  Quote: tungus
                  When the financial sector collapses, there will be a total depreciation of the dollar. But the plants will not go bankrupt. See

                  Yes ?! look at an example of the same depression of the 30s in the USA? The banking sector collapsed, the factories got up. Or isn’t it?
                  1. tungus
                    tungus 3 November 2012 23: 48
                    +4
                    As they say, I'm smiling at you smile Where did you study economics?

                    so. The ruble exchange rate is determined by the central bank. Not a stock exchange, not a difference in supply and demand. and the central bank! The ruble exchange rate depends on the gold reserves and the money supply of the national currency! It is because of this that there is not enough money supply in the country! To increase it, you need to depreciate the currency, or increase the gold reserves. When gold reserves increase too quickly (for example, oil has risen in price), the ruble exchange rate rises! Not because the demand for the ruble has increased, the gold reserves are simply too large, and we need to either strengthen the ruble or increase the money supply. The Central Bank took the first path, though. as I said, the country has a shortage of money supply. After a change in the leadership of the Central Bank, it seems that they realized it, and now the money supply is gradually increasing.

                    About Saudis smile I will explain. Domestic prices are stable there, but external prices are rising! Accordingly, the national currency is strengthening. What follows from this? Increase in expenses! The Saudis pay salaries to the same oilmen in their own currency, and therefore, production costs increase! After all, the real is becoming more expensive in relation to the dollar! And it is precisely the surplus in 600 mld (that is, an increase by 600 mld of gold reserves) that makes them raise the real exchange rate!

                    About fairy tales, well, tell me how the economy works. laughing

                    About US government debt. It declined until the early seventies. That is, while the Brethen Woods system was working, and the dollar was backed by gold. Once the dollar was untied from gold, it became possible to print unsecured dollars and live on credit. A budget deficit has become possible.
                    Do you know why debt grew to the nineties, and to two thousandths began to decline, despite the fact that the dollar mass was only increasing? The collapse of the USSR helped. Unsecured dollars poured into us, and for them they began to buy our tangible assets. Digested us already 10 years. But in the end, Russia joined the dollar system completely, but the dollars continued to print! And the debt again crawled to the top!
                    About our duty. You then measure the amount laughing The debt of the USSR was only 150 mln. And we had a reserve for GDP growth, simply because the enterprises did not work and they needed to be launched. It was necessary to return the economy to its previous performance. There is no reserve in America! All their huge GDP is not only the real sector, but also the financial one! Those. America's GDP figures do not reflect the reality! They are overpriced at times! The collapse of the financial sector will lead to a drop in state GDP three times! And this despite the fact that the plants will continue to work!

                    To be continued
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 3 November 2012 23: 56
                      +2
                      tungus,
                      I’m not rummaging in the economy, but the oil in Saudi Arabia, I mean ordinary mortals, is extracted by Pakistanis and other illegal immigrants and the salary there is meager.
                    2. tungus
                      tungus 4 November 2012 01: 09
                      +4
                      Let's continue. About bonds and Greece. smile

                      So, Europe is buying Treasuries (and not only Europe). Profitability on them is minimal. Rates in the USA are practically zero. At the same time, Europe also sells its bonds, the interest rate on which is much higher! That is, Europe borrows from the Fed (the main buyer of Eurobonds) at 5 percent, and lends to amers under 0,5 percent. Don't you catch Syur? By the way, if we look at things in Russia. then the situation is even more sad.
                      Let us turn to the reasons for such absurdity! The placement of gold reserves is controlled by central banks. Not governments, namely central banks! However, they are not subordinate to the governments of their own countries. This is a separate body. Their only purpose is to buy treasuries and establish the course of nat. currencies to the dollar based on the number of these treasuries. If the IMF had not created such a system, then the dollars simply would have nowhere to go! such a quantity of paper cannot be converted into gold or other material things. Not enough things. Inevitably, devaluation will happen. That's what would not happen, gold reserves are transferred to receipts. And all countries MUST transfer their export dollars to Treasury. What are central banks doing.

                      About rating agencies laughing Do you remember the rating of Lemon Brasors, exhibited by these "agencies" a month before his bankruptcy? Curiosity smile

                      About Gaddafi. Gaddafi put forward the initiative to create a golden real. it was then that he became objectionable and was torn up. Now its oil is from Western companies. The price of this oil is not important. The important thing is that it is sold for dollars.

                      About the great depression. You do not compare the ratio of debt to GDP, but the percentage of the financial sector to the real. In the thirties, the financial system made up less than 20 percent of the entire economy. And the dollar was backed by gold. the main cause of the great depression is overproduction and falling demand. There were too many goods, they became cheaper, firms went bankrupt, unemployment grew, because of this, demand fell even more and so on.
                      Today the situation is different! A huge amount of unsecured dollars is concentrated in the financial sector. These dollars are in no way connected with the real sector, with production. And when they pour into the real sector, tryndets will happen. But there will be no deflation. There will be hyperinflation! The total depreciation of the dollar. At the same time, the population is impoverished, and the country will go bankrupt, but production will not stop! They will work! After all, prices for manufactured goods will skyrocket! In the 98 year in Russia, hyperinflation helped production develop! It was she who pulled us out of the ass.

                      Well, about oil smile Dear, what is oil valued at? That's right, in dollars. You confuse the cause with the effect. Oil is not getting more expensive - it's a dollar depreciating. A simple example. Oil has risen in price. At the same time, forex ALWAYS the dollar falls against the euro, the pound, the yen and the Swiss franc. At the same time, gold (also valued in dollars) and other key assets ALWAYS more expensive. And ALWAYS more expensive wheat. So what is rising and falling in our country, commodity, or currency?
                      Take the dollar out of this system and you will see a completely static picture — oil will only fluctuate slightly with respect to gold. The ratio of oil prices to other resources will be stable. Conclusion, oil is not getting more expensive. That dollar is depreciating.
                      1. Sergh
                        Sergh 4 November 2012 06: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: tungus
                        Not governments, but central banks! However, they are not subordinate to the governments of their own countries. This is a separate body. Their only purpose is to buy treasuries and establish the course of nat. currencies to the dollar based on the number of these treasuries.

                        If the conversation started, he could not resist.
                        The United States created the conditions when the Treasury became a form of holding foreign exchange reserves of banks, sovereign funds and foreign countries. This is not so obvious. Usually, any other country tries to attract investors, and in the case of the USA, debt is issued at the request of investors. The problem is that this situation is no different from any other financial bubble, when, in the wake of confidence in the asset, excessive and largely irrational demand is provoked.

                        Treasuries play the role of a liquidity vacuum cleaner, drawing and diverting resources from all other assets. For this to happen, conditions are necessary under which being in non-dollar assets will become unprofitable or less profitable than investing in treasury. Otherwise, it will be more difficult to lure into the treasury. Calculate the yield on the stock market for 5 or 10 years and on US government bonds. It turns out that treasury is more profitable for large capital, even taking into account the fact that losses are taking into account inflation.
                        So far, there are three countries on the planet that are building up debt amid falling rates - the United States, England, Japan.

                        According to the latest data for March 2009, Russia's net purchase of US Treasury bonds increased by more than 4 times compared with January 2009: $ 703 million was spent on the purchase of US Treasuries in January, $ 674 million in February and already in March 2,9 billion dollars.

                        Russia throughout 2011 reduced its participation in bonds of the external debt of the US Treasury (the so-called treasuries) and ultimately withdrew from the ten largest holders of them. At the end of December, the volume of treasuries attributable to Russia fell to $ 88,4 billion (-41,5%), according to the US financial department. In December, the Russian Federation disposed of $ 1,3 billion in securities from the US Treasury. , and in just a year, $ 62,6 billion of treasuries were “dropped”. As a result, since September last year, Russia settled in 11th place in the list of the largest holders of the US public debt, missing Canada in the 10th place (96,6 billion Doll.).
                      2. Sergh
                        Sergh 4 November 2012 08: 07
                        +2
                        Yes, I found yet another confirmation in the black fraud of UWB:
                        So in February, the US departament of the treasury published a report on the purchase of American securities of Russia:



                        But in March, this department is already drawing a new schedule, with completely different figures:



                        As one man wrote about this:
                        American accounting

                        I repeat once again what I said and justified many times already - the entire modern system of American accounting was created with one goal - to camouflage the state policy of total falsification of corporate reporting. This is due to the fact that the American economy has been unprofitable since 1968-70. If this had been clearly demonstrated to everyone, the current crisis would have happened 30 years earlier, and we would have long forgotten that there once existed such a country as we forgot about Mesopotamia. Those. falsification of reporting is not an initiative of individual companies. This is a national policy and this policy is one of the elements of the tools of colonial taxation by the States of the planet. And from the very first day of training, under hypnosis, accountants are taught to perceive black as white and to produce falsification so that they don’t even understand that they are writing linden, because their perception of reality is hopelessly distorted.



                        Remember - None of the LARGEST COMPANIES in the USA cannot afford not to falsify reports, since the indicators of the articles of its balance sheets will immediately start defiantly at variance with the indicators of the balance sheets of other corporations. If everything is false in the choir, then you can convince the audience that this is a post-modern musical experiment (post-industrial economy). But if someone alone begins to sing with a pure tenor, then it becomes clear that all the other choristers simply trampled the bear’s ears. Therefore, the conductor must strictly monitor so that the singers rumble cheerfully during the singing of a dried melon. Now the Worker will take the full balance from me and analyze it with the help of his impeccable American method of reading balances. I bet he’ll get along just as nicely as he did with Microsoft. And he will tell us that, from an accounting point of view, the bankrupt company today is alive, healthy and in brilliant shape, and the news of its bankruptcy is a malicious insinuation. Microsoft is waiting for the same malicious insinuation.
                      3. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 09: 20
                        0
                        Already seen this pretty schedule, such a visual agitation. Who is peering into the details? Right!. Explain to me why the December 11 column (88 billion) is eight times smaller than the December 2010 column (151 billion) - but should it be only 40% smaller? For clarity, yes?
                        Quote: Sergh
                        Remember - NOT ONE BIG COMPANY IN THE USA can not afford not to falsify the statements, since the indicators of the items of its balance sheets will immediately start defiantly at variance with the indicators of the balance sheets of other corporations.

                        Well, well - laughed. Bullshit from beginning to end. Have you ever been connected with the exchange? I see no. Only suspicion of falsification destroys stock quotes at times.
                      4. Karish
                        Karish 4 November 2012 09: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: tungus
                        Conclusion, oil is not getting more expensive. That dollar is depreciating.


                        those. oil is getting cheaper - is the dollar strengthening? Those. in December 2008, after the fall in oil prices by almost 3.5 times - did the dollar strengthen 3.5 times?
                        Something in your system is not working tongue
                      5. Oleg Rosskiyy
                        Oleg Rosskiyy 4 November 2012 22: 09
                        0
                        Karish,
                        What are you a Jew so you harness for amers that you work on a suction, and how much do they pay? Responsible for your country of urban type, but in other matters, what is yours, it is the land occupied by Israeli fascists.
                    3. Alexander 1958
                      Alexander 1958 4 November 2012 12: 48
                      0
                      For
                      tungus
                      Good afternoon! If you do not mind, I will supplement your post. Among other things, Russia can increase the money supply of the ruble only if it buys a proportional amount of dollars at the rate i.e. there is a purchase of paper - dollars, for real goods - oil sold by Russia and we all finance the Americans. A similar scheme in Saudi Arabia. And it does not matter what their surplus is 600 billion or 6 trillion - it is important that all this supports the dollar.
                      Alexander 1958
                  2. Alexander 1958
                    Alexander 1958 4 November 2012 12: 34
                    +2
                    For Karish
                    Your words ... I know that all over the world there are Greek debt bonds and you can only wipe them. but the American have never been paid ....
                    So, for information .. After the earthquake, Japan asked the United States to buy back bonds for about $ 200 billion. America said, we will redeem well, but not now, later, someday, if there is such an opportunity .. laughing
                    Still your words
                    .. So the slightest hint of deception destroys stock quotes at times. With the dollar, this has not yet been observed --- that means they believe ...
                    Two years ago, the US credit rating unexpectedly dropped from AAA + to AAA- and information was received about the remuneration paid on some bet that the rating will not fall .. The reward is something in the region of a billion dollars !. Not a long story with Facebook, when on the exchange the shares were worth $ 42, and a week later fell by 20%, now $ 19! I don’t know how in Germany and America, but in Ukraine this is called a kidok.
                    If you are not tired, then it’s a fact.
                    During the crisis of 2007, a few days before the collapse of LEMAN BRAZERS, they had an excellent rating, which did not prevent them from bursting safely.
                    A couple of years ago, the price of gold in two days rose from 1400 dollars to 1600 or 1800, I don’t remember exactly, and then also quickly fell to 1400. If this is not a stock exchange scam for ".. another way. Comparatively honest taking money .. O. Bender Suleiman Bertam Maria Bender Bay " smile then what is it then?
                    I would suggest that you think about my proposal - remove the "rose-colored glasses" from the eyes and "NOODLES" from the ears ... or at least not try to hang it (NOODLES) for us! trying to prove that everything in the West is built on trust and the dollar is the most reliable currency .. winked
                    Alexander 1958
            3. Waroc
              Waroc 3 November 2012 17: 13
              +1
              Zimbabwe’s denznaks are not needed by anyone ... and therefore their uncontrolled emission also leads to such inflation rates with Russia in much the same way (but the emission without need is still more or less restrained). The US dollar today, however unpleasant to admit, is in demand all over the world; all countries have large foreign exchange reserves in dollars. Yes, also the majority of settlements between countries are made in them. And that’s exactly what adds weight to the dollar by depreciating the rest of the countries that have it in storage and turning their reserves into a zilch, but after all these papers were paid with real goods and services - it's a shame, yes (But having left the use of the US dollar in foreign calculations between countries - it (the US dollar) will be drastically lowered from heaven to earth, and even underground.

              PS This is in support of the previous comment - Alexander 1958.
              1. Alexander 1958
                Alexander 1958 4 November 2012 19: 06
                0
                For
                Waroc Good afternoon! From your post may be the opinion that the Amerian currency. playing the role of world currency, well, it just helps everyone out. But this is only half true, and the smaller half .. Yes, after the Bretton Woods Agreements this was indeed so, but even then the use of the dollar as a world currency was strictly imposed, (Libya. Iraq) are vivid examples.
                Alexander 1958
            4. rolik
              rolik 4 November 2012 00: 15
              0
              The US Federal Reserve System (FRS) raised its forecast for inflation. It is expected that in 2012. its level will not exceed 1,8%; previously it was believed that it would not exceed 1,7%. Fed economists have confirmed previous forecasts regarding the unemployment rate, which this year should remain within 8,2%. (wrong with both unemployment and inflation)

              It is assumed that in the medium term inflation will grow by 2% annually, the forecast for this macroeconomic indicator has not been changed. (in normal countries there are forecasts for a decrease in inflation, but here on the contrary - for its growth), which in itself is not unimportant hi

              And now let’s come to the main thing: as soon as other countries begin to switch between themselves in their banknotes, and this has already begun to happen. Unclaimed dollar weight will go back to mattress. And then the fun begins in full. And we (or our children) will be able to watch the agony of a star-striped bandit.
        3. Waroc
          Waroc 3 November 2012 17: 01
          +1
          After all of the above, there was a firm opinion - that this is nothing more than the skillful manipulation of digital figures, and not the most objective digital figures (((

          Yes, we live worse in our everyday life (I myself am surprised somehow), but it is precisely those countries in which, according to the data presented, everything is full of chocolate in the world. What is it for? Maybe they really are not doing so well, and such comparative statistics are nothing more than a good mine with a bad game! And they fuss more and more actively, the farther - the fuss more and more.

          Of course, you can accuse me of unprovenness, and I will be forced to agree with you, but something haunts me.

          PS: Oh, how scary it is to be the very generation that will disentangle all this muck (yes, I’m scared, I’m not a masochist, I understand what all this will result in and I really get scared). I really want not to get scared when the time comes to act, I really want to be a worthy son of my country, but only my real actions will show who I really am - a person or a creature trembling. I do not want to be a creature, but I am scared for my future and the future of my children.
          1. tungus
            tungus 3 November 2012 17: 51
            +1
            About nothing to eat ... laughing
            There are no words smile Amer will have nothing to eat. Because it is the largest importing economy in the world. They buy everything. For dollars. And if tomorrow they stop accepting these dollars, then half of the country will be starved to death. That is why amers are now fighting around the world. They overthrow regimes that may be dangerous to them. Which may give up the dollar. Comrade Gaddafi is a vivid example of this. But they can’t do anything with China. laughing

            When the financial sector collapses, there will be a total depreciation of the dollar. But the plants will not go bankrupt laughing See:
            The plant issued shares and held an initial public offering. He received money for the shares and put them into production. EVERYTHING! What will happen next with these shares is not interesting for him. They can go up in price, get cheaper, but anything! The plant is not hot from this, not cold! He has already received the money! But the players in the financial sector will suffer or enrich themselves! Banks, funds and more. That is, holders of shares, blocks of shares, which include shares of this plant, woodworkers, etc. Moreover, the value of the plant’s shares will not be connected in any way with the situation at the plant itself. laughing The plant may function properly, and stocks will become cheaper laughing Figure. You see, such a picture appeared on the chart. laughing
            So, as soon as the financial sector collapses. those. all these papers will become worthless - a huge amount of dollars will be released. which simply will have nowhere to invest, the shares have depreciated! And these dollars will go to the real sector - to raw materials (to real raw materials and not raw assets on the exchange!) To products, to something tangible! and the price tag for this tangible fly up to heaven! More precisely, the dollar will fall below the plinth laughing

            And the last laughing In 2008, we observed the depreciation of the dollar. An example is oil prices. The economies of developed countries fell, oil consumption fell, and ROSLA oil! Yes, she sank slightly at the beginning, but then she grew up! No matter what! A drop in sales in the real sector, a drop in the economies of the largest oil importers, an increase in oil production, an increase in stocks in the USA, and oil is still growing! This is not oil rising, this is the dollar falling!
          2. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 4 November 2012 19: 10
            0
            For
            Waroc
            Try to go to woldkrisis A Hazina. and in his articles and discussion of articles on the forum you will find many thoughts and facts ..
            Alexander 1958
        4. rolik
          rolik 4 November 2012 00: 01
          0
          State mattress debt is growing every day, GDP is falling. Even with OOOVery great desire and tearing, I apologize, my fat w ... poo, the mattress will not be able to "easily and quickly" close this financial hole.
          As I said, look carefully at the statistics and read between the lines. Well, yes, judging by the flag, everything is parallel and perpendicular to you))))) And the word hyperbola and parabola have the same meaning)))))
    2. rolik
      rolik 3 November 2012 23: 55
      0
      In America, 8,5% unemployment, but again official smile , especially knowing the prowess of "mattress" sociologists. So, these percentages are set, most likely, in order to reassure their citizens a little. Russia and Germany, the unemployment rate is 5,4%, and this despite the fact that we have a lot of work in the "black". So, Monsieur Karish, carefully read the numbers, and especially between the lines)))) Maybe the mattress works, but ooooochen, like that, it’s too big. And every year it gets worse and worse. And in order to earn money again, the easiest way is to start another war and maybe more. Liked, on the example of the 2nd World War, on the grief and blood of other loot in an easy hack. The reserves of subcutaneous fat have become thinner, they have forgotten how to work, they have become dull (like donkeys). Here is the result of "wise" economic policy. Only one thing is not taken into account, the world has become much smaller, and it will not be possible to sit out overseas. Everyone will get their bills if (God forbid) it flares up.
  13. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 3 November 2012 09: 26
    +9
    HELP YOUNG UNFIRMABLE MIND!
    Ahhhhhhh !!! I'm already completely confused
    Then Hillary Clinton says that the United States brings peace and democracy, then Uncle Vova declares that the United States and Europe are conducting crusades. Either British experts with foam at the mouth prove that China is falling into an economic crisis, then we are told that it has all the prayers. Now China is peaceful and humble, then stares at our territories.
    It’s Russia’s rusty tanks, or it’s with these very tanks that it brings out an army of a whole country armed and trained in the NATO manner, and then calls the Fashington special line and says that KAMAZs with corpses of American troops and advisers are standing at the pier and waiting for American ships.
    Where is the truth? (looking with hope at the photo of the "voivode" taking off
    1. Karish
      Karish 3 November 2012 10: 44
      -1
      Quote: Bashkaus
      It’s Russia’s rusty tanks, it’s these tanks that carry out the army of an entire country armed and trained in the NATO manner,

      Are you talking about Georgia?
    2. rolik
      rolik 4 November 2012 00: 32
      0
      Bashkaus . The truth is in fault, as old Omar H.M. said drinks
  14. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 3 November 2012 09: 42
    0
  15. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 3 November 2012 10: 15
    +5
    From the article: First, it is necessary to conclude an alliance between Europe and Russia for not participating in the inevitable clash between the United States and China. Russia has military power, Europe has technology.
    I wonder which countries the author understands by "Europe" for the conclusion of the alliance? Germany? - So Germany is still occupied by the Anglo-Saxons and is not independent, England? - England is the main and eternal enemy of Russia, France? - France is not an ally, will sell at any time, other countries of Europe-s Ford influenced by the USA. I have another question: where are the "world puppeteers" going to sit out in the third world war (of course, in the first world war on the territory of England, and secondly on the territory of the United States, there simply were no means of delivery of defeat at that time), couldn't it be on the moon?
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 3 November 2012 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir 70
      Germany? - So Germany is still occupied by the Anglo-Saxons and is not independent

      Specify.
      1. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 3 November 2012 15: 12
        +3
        Specify.
        Yes please. On the territory of Germany there are foreign troops with nuclear weapons, the country's gold reserves were removed .....
  16. nokki
    nokki 3 November 2012 10: 33
    +8
    After the collapse of the USSR, the Americans took a number of steps (NATO's advance to the East, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria) that drove Russia into a zugzwang position (in their opinion!): No matter what Russia does, everything only leads to a deterioration in its position. Besides, for some reason they decided that Russia is not capable of acting, as during the Caribbean crisis. Therefore, their actions and statements are distinguished by special arrogance and political cynicism. To sober up and stop them can only be realized that they can be attacked at any moment! This must be publicly announced! Otherwise, this slow retreat with diplomatic excuses will eventually lead to the real occupation of Russia, the destruction of Russian civilization. And there is no need to ask the question: "Do you want to put the world on the brink of nuclear war?" The question is different: "We or they". There is no other choice!
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 November 2012 10: 46
      -4
      So say: if Assad is overthrown, Russia will deliver a nuclear strike to America. And then let the US send its troops to defend Assad. No one has ever seen such a show !!!
      1. Karish
        Karish 3 November 2012 10: 59
        -3
        Quote: 1976AG
        So say: if Assad is overthrown, Russia will deliver a nuclear strike to America.

        Absolutely among the people the crash goes.
        1. BASHKIR
          BASHKIR 3 November 2012 11: 24
          +7
          The roof is coming from the blizzard that the much-praised dermocratic media is pushing to everyone!
        2. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 November 2012 12: 00
          +2
          Actually, I decided to joke the discussion like that. If you do not understand, then I apologize.
          1. Waroc
            Waroc 3 November 2012 17: 23
            0
            Understood, we all understood - do not apologize. And who did not understand - to that, therefore, it was not given)))

            +
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 3 November 2012 18: 20
            +3
            Quote: 1976AG
            then I decided to joke the discussion.

            Yeah, like in that ancient joke: The General Staff decided to carry out a staff reduction in the Strategic Missile Forces. Sent honor honor order. Soon the answer comes: Today at 6.00:XNUMX Moscow time the time began to reduce States .
            bully
  17. Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 3 November 2012 12: 48
    +4
    US goes ahead, knowing that Russia cannot send troops to Syria

    But actually why can not? In the presence of eggs political will
  18. escobar
    escobar 3 November 2012 13: 59
    +4
    We are like termites in our hut. We only talk about what we see and know and try to analyze and draw conclusions from 1% of the available information. Not realizing that the whole universe is behind the scenes.
  19. Rossmk
    Rossmk 3 November 2012 14: 07
    +1
    Nothing. Third Rome has already passed fire, water and copper pipes and will do it again.
    And with the EU, an alliance is unlikely, because they are on a leash by arrogant Saxons.
  20. WW3
    WW3 3 November 2012 14: 13
    +4
    Obama unleashes US military power on Syria immediately after his presidential election

    First you need to win the election ... wink
  21. v53993
    v53993 3 November 2012 15: 05
    +3
    America rots from the inside and do not overestimate its capabilities. Do not quarrel with China, as some here are trying. China is wiser than some people think, and knows that it will not be at the time of the decision to attack Russia. And the most unenviable situation in England and Israel, because everyone knows that they are the source of all ills. And so they did not have long.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 3 November 2012 18: 22
      0
      Quote: v53993
      America rots inside

      Improving the nation and economy through war.
      Once worked.
      1. akjn4
        akjn4 4 November 2012 03: 12
        +1
        Not those times. The atom will definitely not add health.
  22. Simple
    Simple 3 November 2012 15: 22
    +3
    And how do you like the development of events in the event that for some
    the reasons it turns out that part of the gold requested by Germany,
    turn out to be fake?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 November 2012 16: 32
      +3
      There will be a scandal. Big. Which will last until about December 21 ... and then everyone will lose their nerves. smile
    2. Waroc
      Waroc 3 November 2012 17: 24
      +2
      Or it is not at all)))
      Which may very well be)))
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 3 November 2012 18: 26
      0
      Quote: Simple
      if for some reason it turns out that part

      Hmm, when it still will be.
      And, most importantly, the imported gold will be returned or not?
      If so, then ...
      I think there is no need to explain further.
  23. Simple
    Simple 3 November 2012 16: 21
    +4
    US financial mathematics algorithm:
    1. Buy a dollar !!!
    2. who hesitates, or does not want to, return to the first point.
  24. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 3 November 2012 16: 50
    +2
    And at one point, ordinary Americans will demand explanations from their authorities - why the Chinese began to live better than they do.
    Then the U.S. government will tell them take your asses from here to Beijing straight to the tomb of Mao)
  25. Odessa16
    Odessa16 3 November 2012 16: 53
    +1
    How can the collapse of the US financial system happen, something I did not understand?
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 3 November 2012 18: 30
      +2
      Quote: Odessit16
      How can the collapse of the US financial system happen, something I did not understand?

      And not by what! Until the global economic organism struck by dollar metastases itself dies! Inoperable!
      In the meantime, everyone, absolutely everyone is interested in his well-being!
  26. tambu
    tambu 3 November 2012 17: 46
    0
    Europe is different from Europe .. Eastern (part of it) is possible and subscribes to this, Western is practically excluded, Italy, Spain, Greece is quite possible ...

    Technologies all in Europe are located in France, England and Germany, and all other countries have technologies that are available in Russia (better), and therefore Europe has not sunk in this respect ...
  27. NEMO
    NEMO 3 November 2012 21: 03
    -1
    Therefore, now Medvedev is also to blame for the situation in Syria. I speak about this openly. Tell me, who advised your president then?


    GDP and advised, Medvedev himself would not have made such a decision, small intestine but Gaddafi surrendered with the expectation - to rest against Syria or Iran.
  28. Simple
    Simple 3 November 2012 21: 14
    +2
    I do not think that during the first three parties Germany will announce
    fake gold (and it doesn’t matter how many times amers checked gold before sending it) - the economic situation in the world has not yet ripened for a more or less “smooth” transition from a system where world trade is tied only to one monetary value - everyone already understood this ( well why because of a couple of american
    banks should go to the whole globe?), including the USA,
    the only difference being that the United States, as it were, climbed
    on a very tall tree and sits, at the moment on a bitch.
    1. The United States will not cut it?
    Right, no. (smash to death)
    2. The United States will try to defend its position by military means.
    also does not fit (all deaths are broken, including the USA)
    3. The United States is helping (it itself will rest) descends to an acceptable level for all countries, where the "left" movements do not lead to the collapse of the entire system.
  29. MG42
    MG42 3 November 2012 23: 55
    +3
    Obama will unleash US military power on Syria immediately after its presidential election? Picture in the subject.
    1. geo1286
      geo1286 4 November 2012 02: 26
      +8
      USA is fascist Germany in which Jews came to power
      And Obama is just a puppet ...
      1. akjn4
        akjn4 4 November 2012 03: 09
        +1
        All the leaders of the so-called democratic states are puppets in the hands of capital.
  30. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 4 November 2012 03: 59
    +1
    I read the article, the author +++, could have been opened wider. Draw conclusions:
    1.No any alliance with the West Mother Russia does not need to do (this is setting up a neighbor of China, who can agree more ...).
    2. You need to at least be in a friendly relationship with a neighbor (in China, it turns out, the EU does not: an example of the Baltic states and other troglodytes of the West ...
    3. They still want to drag Russia in ... (due to attempts to make friends with the West, England makes sluggish gestures ...)
    4. China is better to be friends with us (gas, oil, electricity / energy, etc. nishtyaki) than to fight (rollback 50 years ago, even if they win something) ...
  31. APASUS
    APASUS 4 November 2012 10: 24
    +2
    I have several suggestions on this subject. First, it is necessary to form an alliance between Europe and Russia for not participating in the inevitable clash between the United States and China.

    Something the author here makhanul ..............
    What to call Europe? England or Germany .......... or maybe Estonia or Poland ... yes, most half look in the ass of the United States and at the first shout put in their pants.
    Take the story of Georgia 080808 because it was full of information that creates Saakashvilli! So there in Europe almost got into a fight, what to do? how to react? Until an order came from Washington and more or less settled down!
    So which Europe to deal with?
    1. thorstein
      thorstein 4 November 2012 12: 01
      +1
      Europe has long been different. The maximum you can count on is scientific cooperation. And everything else can be obtained in Asia.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 4 November 2012 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Thorstein
        The maximum you can count on is scientific cooperation. And everything else can be obtained in Asia.

        The ability to negotiate with the enemy and not offend a friend - the art of diplomacy! We must take the best willows in Asia and be friends with Europe. And then it turns out, either we are friends forever or enemies to the death board!
  32. Stasi.
    Stasi. 4 November 2012 20: 22
    +1
    When the US and NATO bombed Yugoslavia, former KGB general Leonid Shebarshin said: "Serbs are beaten to bring Russia to its knees." Now we can say the same with regard to the Syrians. I would very much like to believe that if the West nevertheless decides to openly intervene in Syria, Russia will not remain indifferent and will not limit itself, as usual, to diplomatic protests and notes. Giulieto Chiesa is right - you need to hurry. To rush to help Assad defeat the bandits and supply modern weapons to the Syrian army, our military specialists and instructors. Then it will be possible to hope that Syria will be able to repel any aggression from the West. The most important thing for Russia is to show a firm will to defend Syria and not bend over to the West.
  33. mazdie
    mazdie 4 November 2012 22: 48
    0
    The pessimist teaches English, the optimist is Chinese, and the realist is a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
    I mean that our communication is certainly good, but the course of global politics is having an effect, so you need to prepare yourself and your family with basic survival skills. (especially the huge amount of benefits)
  34. Bob
    Bob 4 November 2012 23: 14
    +2
    "Fun" they came up with. Syria is bombed on November 7-8, and on November 9 (according to http://news.mail.ru/politics/10829584/?frommail=1) Iran is bombed and something similar is staged on September 11th. By the way, for lovers of numerology - 11 09 2001, and 09 11 2012 - these are mutually intersecting dates, in the first and in the second case, we add 20 + 20. Well, a lot has already been written about how the date September 11 was not chosen by chance. In general, an accident, or maybe ...
    If we take a pragmatic approach to the situation, then it is vital for the West to suppress Syria before attacking Iran - in order to ensure the passage of Israeli aircraft through Syrian territory, and this is possible only if all Syrian aviation and air defense are suppressed.
    Taking into account the previously announced position of Russia on Syria, the case is taking a serious turn, which threatens to develop into a tough confrontation with unpredictable consequences. Analyzing the NATO military grouping in the Middle East (recently replenished with new forces and means), Israel's "successful" exercises in the bombing of objects there in Sudan, a powerful ideological and information campaign of the West on Syria and Iran, as well as the West's isolation policy towards Iran ( tougher sanctions), activity and concentration of force and funds along the perimeter of the Syrian and Iranian border with more frequent incidents and provocations there, and finally, in agreement with the opinion of "authoritative" sources (http://www.newsfiber.com/p/s/h? v = EOprP5oBA% 2BnQ% 3D + j% 2BWyBp0hZ78% 3D) - THE WAR MUST START IN THE NEXT DAYS. If this is not prevented ....... This is where Russia must show everything it can do to prevent a regional and international catastrophe. I would advise you to be proactive, knowing the villainous intentions of the enemy and to strike at the root of the problem by its pain points, but I do not want to be considered a bad advisor.
    Although of course a bad world is better than any war, but in this case .... it does not work, for the diplomatic resource is almost exhausted.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 4 November 2012 23: 26
      +1
      Vladimir, you are quite confident in this layout. And by the way, it is quite justified from a strategic position of delivering a surprise strike. But in the modern world, the effect of surprise pales in comparison to intelligence capabilities. Either the Yankees carried out an accurate analysis of the forces and means, or they are "broke". If "all-in", it smells like the end of the world in the minds of the end of the Yankee empire.
      1. Bob
        Bob 4 November 2012 23: 53
        +2
        Well, what can I say to this, Alexander, but perhaps that is destined to come true (I mean the 3rd world), it would be regrettable to tell me about this, because I have a family, small children, and most of all I don’t want this war. But alas ... the facts ...
        You correctly say that their (Amerov’s) decisions are based on a thorough analysis of forces and means, and here they clearly indicated for themselves the overwhelming advantage in regional forces, namely in regional ones. The probability of an international conflict, although they can be seen, is not a priority and, in their opinion, the participation of global players (represented by Russia and China) is unlikely (judging by experience - Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, etc.) in the Middle East war East. This is actually their miscalculation, because the world has changed in the last year or two, and Russia, like China, clearly stands on the principles of non-interference in the Syrian conflict of external forces.
        Therefore, I do not think that the amers realize that they are "Va-Bank" in the war with Syria-Iran. In their opinion, this small country (Syria), which has become in the path of global politics and economics, is an easy target, but having matured it has turned into a tough nut to crack, which even the sharks of the capitalist world cannot bite. In other words, they hope to destroy Syria with easy means (from a military point of view, by suppressing aviation and air defense, at the same time beheading the country's top leadership, and thereby depriving the Syrian army of all organization). Having eliminated the king and queen, they must quickly win this "game", moving on to another, more important - IRI.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 5 November 2012 00: 15
          +1
          I believe that after all, our foreign policy statements and the forces attached to them are carrying out the most insistent work to support the government of Assad and Ahmadi Nejad. Realizing that open interference is untimely or most likely unrealistic. I am sure that Putin and Lavrov understand the significance of the border between Syria and Iran in the "third world".
      2. Bob
        Bob 5 November 2012 00: 20
        +1
        Yes, another very important detail that speaks in favor of November 7-9. From 4 to 6 November there are holidays in the Russian Federation, and all bodies work to a minimum. On November 8, a change of power in the People's Republic of China is scheduled (http://topwar.ru/20619-neprostoy-kitayskiy-vybor.html), and this, as you know, is a "convenient" moment for such actions. Indeed, according to the calculations of the amers, Syria should collapse in a day, and Iran in 2 days, and therefore no one, neither Russia nor the PRC should even "wake up" - the effect of surprise.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 5 November 2012 00: 28
          +1
          Isn't Russia drawing conclusions from the "surprise effect of 22.06.1941/08.08.2008/XNUMX"? I believe that Russia was preparing for the "surprise of XNUMX". I very much hope that we are ready for these surprises!
  35. T-130
    T-130 5 November 2012 00: 04
    +1
    Like it or not, these guys have nothing to lose, and as you look, life will be extended to the dollar and state debts will be written off, then those who plan it will not be at war!
  36. Region65
    Region65 5 November 2012 04: 29
    +1
    quote "Do you understand what Medvedev did when he gave the go-ahead for an attack against Libya?" I understand that Medvedev did not do anything good for his rule (well, except for Srakakashvili in 2008, and even then he did not make the decision anyway). Medvedev canceled old light bulbs, surrendered Libya and canceled daylight saving time. This half-lure, half-politician and half-man did nothing more. It takes a long time for Putin to rake Avdeyev's stables after his sidekick.
    1. v53993
      v53993 5 November 2012 18: 39
      +1
      But nobody expected good from DAM. There was hope that it would not hurt. Hope did not materialize, unexpectedly spoiled a lot.
  37. Region65
    Region65 5 November 2012 13: 03
    0
    Obama should return to Nigeria or Kalumumba, where does this macaque come from, go up to a palm tree, shibanut on it with his head and bring down a bunch of bananas .... what military power? Syria is not a country of Papuans, it has its sky covered and everything else . So it’s better to bring down bananas
    1. v53993
      v53993 5 November 2012 18: 36
      +1
      But he didn’t cry from the palm tree. His liberals removed, laundered and taught to speak words. But as he was the one he was born, he stayed the same, only he forgot the way to his native land, how to climb palm trees and other delights of primordial life.
      But the most amazing thing is that the Americans did not understand who rules them. A poor nation is essentially without a past, and without a future.
  38. sprut
    sprut 5 November 2012 18: 08
    +1
    The Roman Empire has fallen. The USA will fall too. And the third Rome both stood and will stand. And the fourth does not happen.
  39. v53993
    v53993 5 November 2012 18: 28
    0
    I have several suggestions on this subject. First, it is necessary to form an alliance between Europe and Russia for not participating in the inevitable clash between the United States and China. Russia has military power, Europe has technology. In this vein, Putin’s idea of ​​creating the Eurasian Union fits into my concept. You just have to hurry.

    ex-MEP Giulietto Chiesa


    Giulietto is disingenuous in an attempt to distract Russia from solving vital problems for her in Asia. He would have advised us to immediately conclude an alliance with England, which has been suffering from "love" for Russia for centuries.
    Well, why do they not consider idiots more than themselves? And maybe that’s good. When they understand that we are at least no more stupid than them, it will be too late.
  40. CAPILATUS
    CAPILATUS 5 November 2012 18: 50
    +1
    There will be no US war with China for a simple reason - the western coast of the US is already occupied by Asians and Chinese (one third of the population). And where are they to the Chinese, if the Yankees get stuck for years in local wars and show a complete inability to win in such wars, that we can talk about a global war. If this happens, the US will disappear from the map of the Earth (to the delight of so many)
  41. Maxim86
    Maxim86 5 November 2012 20: 51
    0
    I confess I read and goosebumps. World War III has almost begun. Everyone is talking about this and at the same time going to war with firm steps ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 6 November 2012 17: 44
      0
      Quote: Maksim86
      Everyone is talking about this and at the same time going to war with firm steps ...

      Not exactly, rather, the situation is like in a plane crash, at the beginning only the pilots are aware of what is happening, but the passengers ... drinks
  42. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 5 November 2012 21: 07
    0
    The stump that Obama was supposed to defeat is clear. He still has a lot of work to do. It is time to seriously tackle Syria, to further help the oil industry workers to take away the main oil field of Khuzestan from Iran, the rest of Iran with its mountains no one needs. The Syrian National Council is not wasting time and is preparing to seize power in Syria, having sneaked into the government seats of Damascus on the bones of the Mujahideen of Alkaida. Next, the battle of the rebels against the Mujahideen of Alkaida will begin. At the same time, the countries of the USA and the West will send special forces to Syria, the attack on the forces of Sharia’s supporters will be conducted under the leadership of NATO generals, and the cities liberated by the Mujahideen will be bombed by American drones and Saudi aircraft)
  43. RUS-36
    RUS-36 9 November 2012 18: 09
    0
    "- I have several proposals on this matter. First, it is necessary to conclude an alliance between Europe and Russia not to participate in the inevitable clash between the United States and China. Russia has military power, Europe has technology. In this vein, Putin's idea of ​​creating a Eurasian Union fits into my concept. You just have to hurry. "

    The alignment is normal .. the main thing is that the USA and China use up more manpower and means, and for this it is necessary to add oil to the fire to these opposing parties .. War is BAD, but when two states hostile to Russia are at war, it changes business, it’s a pity only ordinary people ...