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Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

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Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

The situation in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is developing very difficult, this has already been recognized in Kyiv. The heavy losses of the Ukrainian army led to the fact that talk began about the possible surrender of the city. But this is only talk so far, the fighting continues.


According to reports, the command of the Ukrainian group was forced to plug holes in the defense in the Artyomovsk direction with the help of mercenaries, since the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not at all motivated to fight against the assault groups of "musicians" from the Wagner PMC. Replacing the airmen with foreign mercenaries for some time paid off, although our advance could not be completely stopped, but it turned out to slow down for sure. And then a long-awaited event happened - the mercenaries also refused to fight in this area due to high losses.

According to our intelligence, "fresh" mercenary units refuse to go to the Artemovskoye direction, explaining this by the "difficult situation" in this area.

Due to the very difficult situation for the armed formations of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Artemovsk, foreign mercenaries who had previously signed a contract began to refuse to go to this area under various pretexts

- Andrey Marochko, an officer of the NM LPR, wrote in his TG channel.

In order to deliver reinforcements to Artemovsk, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine even went to the deceit, sending a unit of foreigners there under the pretext that they were going to Dnepropetrovsk. However, instead they were brought to Chasov Yar.

According to the Wagner PMC, the daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, military operations in the Artemovsk region and in the city itself are called the "Bakhmut meat grinder".
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TG-channel PMC "Wagner"
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 December 2022 10: 53
    +11
    Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction
    And what is so bad?
    1. oleg-nekrasov-19
      oleg-nekrasov-19 9 December 2022 10: 56
      +21
      Since there are no hotels, and the Internet is not as fast as we would like, you cannot post "feats" on Instagram and Facebook. Yes, and they cut their money there a little.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2022 10: 56
      +10
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And what is so bad?

      Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 December 2022 11: 01
        +17
        And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"? They want money and romance .... and here shelling and tanks ... and there is no aviation of their own. And the conflict is alien...
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 9 December 2022 11: 07
          +20
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"?

          "The ogre invites the ogre to dinner.
          “Yes, it’s not bad to get for lunch, but by no means in the form of a dish.” feel
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 9 December 2022 11: 38
          +14
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"? They want money and romance .... and here shelling and tanks ... and there is no aviation of their own. And the conflict is alien...

          Yes, and they rode in order to, like in a shooting range, shoot at the Russians cheerfully and naturally, but here it’s like, the Russians “for some reason” shoot and kill them, despite their “romantic” mood and nature.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st 9 December 2022 11: 59
            +2
            Yes, and they rode in order to, like in a shooting range, have fun and naturally shoot at the Russians, but here it’s like, the Russians “for some reason” shoot and kill them
            They kill only by accident, but they are taken prisoner, fed, watered, given phones, ride Abramovichs on planes, sent on vacation and then again on a safari, there are still a lot of Russians, a lot of work ...
          2. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 9 December 2022 13: 27
            +7
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            and kill despite their "romantic" mood and nature.

            You can say they didn't give a damn request "Listen, I didn't do anything. I just walked in.... Hooligan!" (Caucasian captive)
        3. Pantsuy
          Pantsuy 9 December 2022 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"? They want money and romance .... and here shelling and tanks ... and there is no aviation of their own. And the conflict is alien...

          And there is dirt, cold, no hot coffee, nowhere to wash, let alone wash, nowhere to sleep, uncomfortable and cold. In general, not Florida at all, and not even Krakow ...
      2. isv000
        isv000 9 December 2022 12: 07
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

        The size of the coffins exceeded all expectations...
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 9 December 2022 13: 29
          +2
          Quote: isv000
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

          The size of the coffins exceeded all expectations...

          More precisely, the number of coffins exceeded all expectations. request
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 9 December 2022 12: 18
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        ..... Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

        hi what perfidy, Vlad! recourse if they say ----Bakhmut meat grinder, then, indeed, recourse why mince coffin
      4. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 December 2022 17: 23
        0
        Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.
        This one pops off easily. He will say that there is no one to pay, for the lack of a body. Or the inability to identify the recipient by the found arm / leg ...
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 9 December 2022 11: 01
      +8
      because the lords and masters do not want to die instead of slaves, getting into an open meat grinder
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 December 2022 11: 23
        +11
        Yes, there were simply no such conflicts after Vietnam and Korea .... Take even our Wagner PMCs .... I think for them the war on 404 is a new challenge and a new experience.
        1. isv000
          isv000 9 December 2022 12: 11
          +7
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Yes, there were simply no such conflicts after Vietnam and Korea .... Take even our Wagner PMCs .... I think for them the war on 404 is a new challenge and a new experience.

          After the Victory, the Europeans will see in front of them a superbly trained and equipped army of Russia, which has become such thanks to their efforts!
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 9 December 2022 12: 22
            +8
            The main thing is that our leadership should see it, appreciate it and use it for its intended purpose ..... and not act similarly to the legacy of the Afghan war.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 9 December 2022 12: 46
          -3
          Well, it goes without saying, only ours are fighting, but the gentlemen do not want
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 December 2022 12: 08
        +2
        There are not all Hosts.... Poles, Romanians, Georgians.... a little more expensive, but not much different from 404x. For them, it is also trash. We went to conferences, exercises, received salaries from the State Department, past our government. Now, the X hour has come - they are working it out. I don’t have warm feelings for Georgians, but what can voluntarily move them to get stuck in such a meat grinder? Not in their homeland .... If they are such warriors, there is South Ossetia or Abkhazia.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 9 December 2022 15: 38
          -1
          there is the whole point that everyone who is in the wings of the Americans consider themselves ancient nations and that they are personally higher in rating and in this situation the owners
    4. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 9 December 2022 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction
      And what is so bad?

      Apparently they didn't like our "okroshka".
    5. ARIONkrsk
      ARIONkrsk 9 December 2022 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction
      And what is so bad?

      They promised a safari to the barbarians and hotels, but here the specialists crumble and dispose of shells without sparing.
  2. Alexander Rasmukhambetov
    Alexander Rasmukhambetov 9 December 2022 10: 57
    +5
    This is not for you to drive shepherds through the desert.
  3. aakvit
    aakvit 9 December 2022 10: 59
    +17
    That's when they begin to drape in droves from Khokhlodivia, then it will be possible to talk about something, but for now they simply "refuse" - and who heard and saw this? stop And "great losses" do not prevent them from continuing to fight, even if we assume that they were deceived into the database zone! After all, they are fighting! am
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 9 December 2022 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: aakvit
      in the meantime, they simply "refuse" - and who has heard and seen this?

      So you can agree to the fact that they are not there at all and never have been.
      Quote: aakvit
      That's when they begin to drape in droves from Khokhlodivia, then it will be possible to speak

      So the same question arises.
      Quote: aakvit
      and who heard and saw it?

      because they will also obviously not be on camera to "drape in crowds".
    2. isv000
      isv000 9 December 2022 12: 14
      -1
      Quote: aakvit
      That's when they begin to drape in droves from Khokhlodivia, then it will be possible to talk about something, but for now they simply "refuse" - and who heard and saw this? stop And "great losses" do not prevent them from continuing to fight, even if we assume that they were deceived into the database zone! After all, they are fighting! am

      The ice has broken! The time is not far off when, for such a "deception", cunning from the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fall down the surrounding ditches and smell ...
  4. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 9 December 2022 10: 59
    +2
    Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

    ***
    - Stingy...
    ***
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2022 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - Stingy...

      So the dead don't need money.
      1. isv000
        isv000 9 December 2022 12: 15
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        So the dead don't need money.

        They will become dead after someone signs for them in the statement ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 December 2022 12: 25
          +2
          Quote: isv000
          They will become dead after someone signs for them in the statement ...

          And here the "bloody dwarf", even on dead mercenaries, "makes money".
  5. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 9 December 2022 11: 00
    +12
    All our Armed Forces, from the rank and file to the commanders and headquarters - you are our Heroes! good
    Victory will be for Russia, no options drinks
  6. coinsam
    coinsam 9 December 2022 11: 00
    +1
    The information is believable. But it would be nice to confirm it in any form, either from these mercenaries themselves, or from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or from third parties.
    1. sadam2
      sadam2 9 December 2022 15: 24
      -3
      Not necessary. They said 800 mercenaries a day, two hundred who are on the defensive and that's it. And in the attack, other mercenaries are immortal))) some kind of big top.
      Here we have a sledgehammer in the head for refusing ... therefore there is no such option
  7. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 9 December 2022 11: 01
    +1
    What about the mercenary code?
    - we fight for money
    - we execute orders for money
    - we will be ordered to die - we will die
    Has something changed?
    1. saigon
      saigon 9 December 2022 11: 08
      +9
      What kind of code for mercenaries is not good for mom?
      There, for the most part, rabble, specific scum and are ready to sell everyone and everything just so as not to die. What kind of codes are there, it's just a beautiful tryndez, who will say it straight - I'm ready to kill scum for loot and at the same time I'm not going to take risks and they will press you a bit either on the run or betray.
      That's all, and in this rabble, many wars have not seen it.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2022 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      Has something changed?

      Last line:
      - we execute orders for money
      - we will be ordered to die - we will run away
    3. businessv
      businessv 9 December 2022 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      What about the mercenary code?
      I don’t remember the exact title of the article, but on this resource, they recently found out that the Poles were sending active professional military men, they wrote conclusively, describing in detail the moment of transferring 200 psheks, from which a fair conclusion is made. They say that such a procedure takes place weekly.https://vizitnlo.ru/2022/12/08/
      1. D16
        D16 9 December 2022 17: 43
        0
        the Poles send active professional military

        You can learn how to fight against a strong enemy only by taking part in the war with him. The Poles had a great opportunity. As for the transfer of 200x, no one said it would be easy. wink
        1. businessv
          businessv 11 December 2022 20: 16
          0
          Quote: D16
          You can learn how to fight against a strong enemy only by taking part in the war with him.
          It was not about who, how and at whose expense should learn to fight, it was about mercenaries.
    4. Zefr
      Zefr 9 December 2022 11: 31
      +1
      What about the mercenary code?
      The code is just a set of rules, not a law!
    5. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 December 2022 11: 37
      0
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      Has something changed?

      Yes... fees have changed
    6. isv000
      isv000 9 December 2022 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      What about the mercenary code?
      - we fight for money
      - we execute orders for money
      - we will be ordered to die - we will die
      Has something changed?

      The keywords "money" and "get", with which there are big problems on the outskirts ...
    7. Dmitry Tsarevich
      Dmitry Tsarevich 10 December 2022 18: 14
      -1
      Mercenaries of the wrong system went. The text of your comment is incomparable.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 December 2022 11: 02
    +2
    The goal of a Western mercenary is to earn money, and then spend it. He does not need it in a coffin.
  9. Mouse
    Mouse 9 December 2022 11: 03
    +7
    some wrong mercenaries... still choose where to go, where to go.... wassat
    1. novel66
      novel66 9 December 2022 11: 15
      +3
      And do not say, crushed the people, wants freebies for money. Ours to you hi
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 9 December 2022 11: 19
        +2
        Great! hi
        they want everything to be with them, but they didn’t have anything for it ... and here you get it, get it, sign it ... wink
        1. novel66
          novel66 9 December 2022 11: 22
          +3
          When your hand is torn off - what will you sign?
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 9 December 2022 11: 34
            +2
            and this is, as they say, no one .... sorry ... feel
          2. isv000
            isv000 9 December 2022 12: 19
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            When your hand is torn off - what will you sign?

            Zelensky will teach how to do things without the help of hands...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2022 12: 40
      -1
      Quote: Mouse
      some wrong mercenaries... still choose where to go, where to go..

      So now there are few such places where they are in demand, now for them the main field of activity is the Ruin.
    3. saigon
      saigon 11 December 2022 08: 41
      0
      Yes, the usual abominations, that's all, it's not clear just how they can refuse.
      In the normal scenario, the gusef of these wild ones will either be shot down to a not good mother or forced to go in front (they usually don’t spare this scum). It’s clear that something is wrong in the outlying kingdom if the mercenaries show off, the normal army will just shoot them.
  10. Uprun
    Uprun 9 December 2022 11: 04
    +3
    "Azovstal gatherings", "Kherson mill", "Zaporozhye swims", "Artyomovsk meat grinder", there will still be roofing felts ...., the geography and plot need to be expanded.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 9 December 2022 11: 19
      +2
      Maybe there will finally be a "Beskydy sitting in the dark"?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2022 12: 45
      -1
      Quote from uprun
      "Azovstal gatherings", "Kherson mill", "Zaporozhye swims", "Artyomovsk meat grinder", there will still be roofing felts ...., the geography and plot need to be expanded.


      It is necessary to add to the geography - "Debaltsevo cauldron" and "Ilovaisky cauldron".
  11. digger
    digger 9 December 2022 11: 04
    +7
    Many here are hysterical saying that Russia left the territories ... but it was bound to lay down with its bones and put all the professionals on the altar for the sake of some piece of land .. which can cross several times during the war ..... so once again - the territory is not important for the military ..and the final result and the victory are also important for the poet in order to achieve the ultimate goal .. if necessary ... this territory will be left several times. Remember the goals of the NWO. For these purposes, THE CAPTURE / CLEARANCE OF TERRITORIES NEVER BEEN VOICED .. the main goal is the destruction / denazification and demilitarization / destruction of weapons of the ukrovermacht. therefore, now it is the destruction that is going on ... at an active pace. And the territory ... this is a side effect and then it will fall into the hands of Russia on its own.
    1. Ded60
      Ded60 9 December 2022 11: 36
      -1
      Agree completely. Unfortunately, this opinion is rare. More and more "oh oh, guard. everything is wrong !!!". I would also add to your statement "demilitarization / destruction of weapons of the ukrovermacht." that NATO weapons and all kinds of Western rabble are also being destroyed.
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 December 2022 15: 21
        0
        Rarely, and as political scientist Semyon Uralov says, this is a swing, our people also swing from zrada to victory
        I watched Sharia a couple of weeks ago, sometimes I look at what they say from the other side, so the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already dispelled the myth about the Russian army. From wrote to him in the style: ay-wake up. I was also disappointed by the abandonment of Kherson, but there you can look at the map, I think it would be possible to supply, but not easy. So I am writing to him, the war is going on in the territory that you confidently consider yours. According to the American general, you spend 7 thousand shells and we spend 20 thousand. Russia has a larger mobile resource, the arithmetic is by no means in favor of Ukraine.
      2. Metal bro
        Metal bro 10 December 2022 02: 44
        0
        You wrote with the subject above at least more accurately. Do you think it's easy for those who believed Russia and were later executed? And there is no need to look at the warriors from the bell tower. Civilians lived normally, and then they did this to them
    2. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 9 December 2022 14: 10
      +3
      Quote: Digger
      Many here will hysteria saying that Russia left the territory... ..if necessary...they will leave this territory several times.

      They “hysteria” because they are able to understand that every “come and go” is paid for with the lives of our military, this is followed by cleansing and terror of the locals.
      They understand that the departure from Kyiv is caused by changes in the strategy of actions not according to the “plan”. They began to use the word "grinding" according to a new plan. Destruction is underway, first on this "territory" people were destroyed by informational "partners", having remade ours! people into our enemies, and now we ourselves “grind” our people at 1000 a day. To the delight of puppeteers-enemies!
      “They are hysterical” because the Nazi generator in Ukraine has not been neutralized, Zel have not been recognized as war criminals. and the environment, the Nazi TV is working, the transport of weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is being passed, the beating of Donetsk, the bombing in the Russian Federation continues.

      Quote: Digger
      And the territory ... this is a side effect and then it will fall into the hands of Russia on its own.

      Tin soldiers do not fall by themselves.
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 December 2022 15: 23
        0
        And the territories themselves are falling, look at Ukraine, did they get Crimea? They didn't fight for him. And there were enough different examples in history when the territories themselves fall.
        1. Alexander Ra
          Alexander Ra 9 December 2022 16: 08
          0
          Crimea "fallen" within the state of the USSR. This is different. Now retribution for the decisions of 1954 and 91.
      2. Ded60
        Ded60 9 December 2022 16: 44
        -1
        "To hysteria, to understand, it was necessary to do this, and not that, and the like" - this is as much as you like. But to make nasty decisions is a completely different job. Do you think those who made such a decision fell off the moon and did not understand what the reaction would be in the army, in society, how many tantrums there would be? We each sit on our own "bump" and see only what is visible from it. And what you will see if you climb higher, so maybe it is "God forbid."
        1. Metal bro
          Metal bro 10 December 2022 02: 46
          0
          You have to fight better. And it seems that the minds of the army have changed. Who knows how to do something, he does useful things in civilian life
          1. Ded60
            Ded60 10 December 2022 15: 42
            -2
            Or here he is scribbling advice ... The best football players are on the podium.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 December 2022 11: 05
    +4
    daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded.
    With such losses, the mercenaries, of course, lose their desire to get into the "meat grinder". In the morning there was a running line of information that more than 90 Polish mercenaries were killed as a result of our strike. Again, the Polish media will grieve about the "simple Polish guys" who went to kill the Russians, but for some reason the Russians turned out to be angry and killed them.
  13. Boniface
    Boniface 9 December 2022 11: 06
    +1
    this is understandable - the aroma of barbecue from their own limbs, to feel - the Mercenaries have little desire! wassat
    They didn't sign up for this.
  14. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 9 December 2022 11: 07
    -2
    Quote: Digger
    Many here are hysterical saying that Russia left the territories ... but it was bound to lay down with its bones and put all the professionals on the altar for the sake of some piece of land .. which can cross several times during the war ..... so once again - the territory is not important for the military ..and the final result and the victory are also important for the poet in order to achieve the ultimate goal .. if necessary ... this territory will be left several times. Remember the goals of the NWO. For these purposes, THE CAPTURE / CLEARANCE OF TERRITORIES NEVER BEEN VOICED .. the main goal is the destruction / denazification and demilitarization / destruction of weapons of the ukrovermacht. therefore, now it is the destruction that is going on ... at an active pace. And the territory ... this is a side effect and then it will fall into the hands of Russia on its own.


    Full understanding of materiel! Bravo!! good
    1. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 9 December 2022 11: 27
      0
      Quote from BattleToads
      Full understanding of materiel! Bravo!!

      No. Not complete.
      Everything would be logical and correct (and I would also subscribe to this text), if not for one "but" - in November, Russia left its territory! Full subject of the Russian Federation! Moreover, she left it, being in a rather advantageous fortified position against the Ukronazis advancing "on the bare steppe" (as we were told).
      And if about Kherson - there is no question. They simply deceived people who believed that Russia had come forever ... then in the case of Kherson, not Ukrainian Russians, but RUSSIAN Russians, were deliberately thrown at the mercy of the Nazis, on RUSSIAN territory!
      And if, under the onslaught of the ukrovermacht, ours leave the Crimea (I won’t be surprised at anything) - will you also shout bravo to those who justify the surrender of their land by “correct understanding of the goals of the NWO”?
      1. Ded60
        Ded60 9 December 2022 11: 41
        0
        What would you write if the Nazis had gouged the Kakhovka dam and washed away the right bank along with "not Ukrainian Russians, but RUSSIAN Russians, on RUSSIAN territory!" along with our soldiers? For them, people are manure, whatever the gentlemen order, they will do. And for you ? Which option is less? Or do you not admit that this could be?
        1. igork735
          igork735 9 December 2022 12: 13
          +1
          If the Nazis gouge the dam, God forbid, of course, it will flood the left bank, and not the high right one.
          1. Ded60
            Ded60 9 December 2022 14: 06
            -1
            Both right and left in different, of course, sizes. But it would have flooded Kherson and a lot of other settlements. And what to do? They made such a decision. And which is better .... "history has no subjunctive mood."
          2. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 9 December 2022 15: 46
            0
            Kherson is not Dnepropetrovsk, the elevation difference is smaller there, so that would be enough for everyone.
        2. Petr_Koldunov
          Petr_Koldunov 9 December 2022 15: 19
          +1
          Quote: Ded60
          What would you write if the Nazis had gouged the Kakhovka dam and washed away the right bank together ...

          If this, God forbid, happens, then the left bank and the mouth (just where ours are now dug in after the retreat) will be flooded much faster than Kherson.
          Therefore, having retreated and abandoned the Russian city and its Russian inhabitants, our troops only saved themselves from a military clash (not even destruction!). And they did not escape the danger of flooding on the left bank with this withdrawal.
          1. D16
            D16 9 December 2022 18: 04
            -1
            and will be flooded much faster than Kherson.

            There would be no flood there from the left, much less from the right downstream. But even 5 cm of water on the local chernozems would put a stake on all logistics for Kherson in general, provided that bridges and dams were not working. Helicopters would have to supply the city and the troops. They did the right thing by leaving.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 9 December 2022 15: 45
        +3
        They won't leave Crimea because here, in Crimea, there is a more loyal population than in Kherson, I'm telling you, many of our citizens are somewhat mistaken. There is enough loyal population of Ukraine. We also have such in Crimea, but this is about 10% and they did not work in any way in 2014. Well, they fed the soldiers of the garrisons, perhaps. Aksyonov should throw a call, or maybe not, the same militia will appear as in the Donbass.
        And in Kherson, the neighbors surrendered their neighbors, to leave everything and leave from there, even Shariy convinced himself, quite a pro-Ukrainian lad, who said: even if you are waiting for the arrival of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, leave, well then we have not left Kherson yet. There, people specifically suffered, yes, that's right. For example, one water carrier was killed for carrying water to the village from a pumping station guarded by Russian soldiers.
        But the same Khersonians, Odessans, etc., looked to see if the Crimea would burn out or not. During this time, the new Ukrainian leadership had an inoculation, so, for example, they managed to put out the performance in Kharkov and Odessa. The best people died there.
        But if they all acted together, then the war, which has been dragging on for almost 9 years, could have been avoided. You watched the film "Wedding in Malinovka" how the government is changing. Do you think there are few khataskrayniks in Crimea? It’s also enough, but Crimea will not be forgiven for obvious pro-Russian sympathies, I was in Kyiv at one event and saw how, at the word autonomy, some participants in the event were twisted, it was in 2006. They clicked our tongues about the number of Ukrainian schools on the peninsula, we had one, although in the "advanced" schools there were classes with the Ukrainian language of instruction, but everyone taught in Russian in these classes. They nodded to us that we were a subsidized region and twitched when they heard in response: why are you coming to work with us, and not vice versa.
        We are fundamentally no different in this sense, but there is this condition about not being forgiven, and when their leaders shouted that we would return the Crimea, they did not say that our citizens were there, that we would return the Crimeans. Those. It's about territory, not population. And this is flavored with interethnic difficulties with one small but proud people. No one doubts that if they come here, there will be a massacre in the Crimea. This greatly affects the mentality. And yet, we have nowhere to run, all rush to the bridge or what? There are already traffic jams there at the present time, though because the cars still began to be checked.
  15. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 9 December 2022 11: 11
    +2
    So they came to hunt the "Indians", but turned out to be game themselves.
    It is clear that they did not like it.
  16. g_ae
    g_ae 9 December 2022 11: 15
    +3
    Polyakov! Poles need to be grounded more! Poles, like ukrosaurs, cannot be treated, neither with a kind word, nor with a kind word with a gun, only lulling, and a skirmish with the lords, most likely after the Sumerians, is very likely in the future.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 9 December 2022 11: 22
      +1
      As they say, the Poles daily return from Ukraine to Poland, so that later they won’t leave anywhere. Land will not be given.
  17. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 9 December 2022 11: 19
    +1
    Correctly. A real badass brutal American Marine fights only with tribes armed with spears and slings... and also against rebels with homemade sawn-off shotguns!
    Otherwise, it's dishonest.
  18. Konnick
    Konnick 9 December 2022 11: 21
    -2
    According to the Wagner PMC, the daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded.

    The traditions of Suvorov are observed ...
    The Wehrmacht had such daily losses on the entire Eastern Front. Have a sense of proportion, free Artemovsk. and then report, Suvorov, by the way, did this, after the victory he wrote such reports.
    1. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 10 December 2022 04: 32
      -2
      Do you hear "wise guy", but don't you want to go and help liberate Artemovsk? Or will you sit on the couch and continue to give advice?
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 10 December 2022 08: 13
        +1
        Do you hear "wise guy", but don't you want to go and help liberate Artemovsk?

        And who will they give me to obey?
        Someone like you who poke? Go yourself...
  19. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 9 December 2022 11: 31
    -1
    Quote: Peter_Koldunov
    Quote from BattleToads
    Full understanding of materiel! Bravo!!

    No. Not complete.
    Everything would be logical and correct (and I would also subscribe to this text), if not for one "but" - in November, Russia left its territory! Full subject of the Russian Federation! Moreover, she left it, being in a rather advantageous fortified position against the Ukronazis advancing "on the bare steppe" (as we were told).
    And if about Kherson - there is no question. They simply deceived people who believed that Russia had come forever ... then in the case of Kherson, not Ukrainian Russians, but RUSSIAN Russians, were deliberately thrown at the mercy of the Nazis, on RUSSIAN territory!
    And if, under the onslaught of the ukrovermacht, ours leave the Crimea (I won’t be surprised at anything) - will you also shout bravo to those who justify the surrender of their land by “correct understanding of the goals of the NWO”?


    Read above, the person laid out everything very competently! drinks
    1. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 9 December 2022 15: 27
      +2
      Quote from BattleToads
      Read above, the person laid out everything very competently!

      I read it carefully. About what kind of literacy of presentation you are talking about - I will not understand. The person writes about the fact that they left because we could be flooded.
      But they didn’t go to the Urals (yet laughing ). And by leaving across the river, we did not protect ourselves from this threat at all! If, in the current retreat situation, our troops are in exactly the same (if not greater) danger of flooding, if suddenly the Ukronazis blow up the dam. For now they are concentrated in the lowlands! (since the left bank, together with the spit and the mouth of the Dnieper, is lower than the right bank, on which Kherson stands)
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 9 December 2022 11: 35
    +1
    Due to the very difficult situation for the armed formations of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Artemovsk, foreign mercenaries who had previously signed a contract began to refuse to go to this area under various pretexts

    As far as I understand the whole situation, once in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you won’t go wild. Whether you are a mercenary or not, not many can choose. Americans, Germans, British, perhaps, the rest, like Poles, are driven to slaughter
    1. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 10 December 2022 04: 22
      0
      That's where they go! Bandera has been waiting for them there for a long time.
  21. orionvitt
    orionvitt 9 December 2022 12: 18
    +2
    All mercenaries are ready to kill for money, but no one wants to die for it, otherwise it makes no sense. Mercenary is good when you fight for money with barefoot partisans, and not with a full-fledged army, where there are much more chances to die. So it's not surprising. Surprisingly different. People, seemingly with experience, still have not understood that the war in Ukraine is not a walk.
    1. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 10 December 2022 04: 20
      0
      orionvitt agrees with you 100%! Far from walking!!!
  22. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 9 December 2022 12: 35
    -1
    daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded
    if our losses also led for comparison, it would be very good
  23. Poplar
    Poplar 9 December 2022 13: 25
    +1
    daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded.

    And I have another question. Recently I read at VO that the Bakhmut garrison is 3,5-4 thousand. At this rate, it is knocked out in a week. Is that there, daily reinforcements arrive? And is it possible to somehow solve the issue with these reinforcements? It seems they wrote (also in VO) that almost all roads are under fire control.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 9 December 2022 13: 34
      -1
      And I have another question

      everyone has such questions, who thinks with their heads ... therefore, it is impossible to trust either our Konyushkov or the suburban arrest officers ...
  24. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 9 December 2022 16: 01
    +1
    > daily losses of APU in this direction
    > range from 500 to 800
    The figures are overestimated by 1.8 - 2.9 times (from 80% to 190%):
    reported all the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for November 8300.
    1. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 10 December 2022 04: 18
      -1
      VladimirNET but who counts them there? Zelya sends yellow-blakytne meat for slaughter, and they die like flies.
  25. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 9 December 2022 16: 24
    +1
    Source:
    https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/1053657-shoigu-soobshchil-chto-vsu-v-noiabre-poteriali-bolee-8-3-tysiachi-voennykh
  26. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 10 December 2022 04: 14
    0
    Well done musicians! good Continue to grind VSUK in a meat grinder. Bandera has been waiting for them there for a long time!



  27. ISKANDER_61
    ISKANDER_61 10 December 2022 05: 51
    +1
    The legend is fresh, but it is hard to believe.
    What, all 8 or 10 thousand refuse to fight?
    Do not tell 5our slippers, authors.
  28. wladomir
    wladomir 10 December 2022 08: 38
    0
    It is not at all clear to me who with such tenacity is effectively holding on from the side of the outskirts in this direction. Judging by our information system, there is no one to fight there. Convinced Nazis have long been killed there and untrained warriors are being driven there, foreign legionnaires do not want to fight there, and they are being destroyed by dozens. So who is there with such perseverance and skill to oppose our trained armed forces???
  29. Jsem_CZEKO68
    Jsem_CZEKO68 10 December 2022 10: 59
    +1
    Za všechny tyto padle vojáky nese zodpovědnost Biden a vláda Zeleného Bandery. Oni neválčí za správnou věc, jejich boj je už dopředu prohraný.
  30. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 10 December 2022 17: 54
    0
    Quote: wladimir
    It is not at all clear to me who with such tenacity is effectively holding on from the side of the outskirts in this direction. Judging by our information system, there is no one to fight there.

    There was information that Ukraine is fighting like this:
    1) in the first echelon - they put the untrained and the defense.
    2) in the rest - trained.
    As a result, only the recently drafted die, and the untrained (in front) - after weeks of such a war - are actually quickly trained.

    foreign legionnaires do not want to fight there

    If they didn't want to, they would have left long ago,
    they get paid A LOT.

    In addition, regular military personnel of the same Poles are already massively appearing: with their self-propelled guns, etc. - on which they came.
    And from some reports - only foreigners are already fighting in some areas.
  31. VladimirNET
    VladimirNET 10 December 2022 18: 00
    0
    Quote: Sergei N 58912062
    VladimirNET but who counts them there?
    Zelya sends yellow-blakytne meat for slaughter, and they die like flies.

    Despite this - this is how they can fight for years:
    according to my calculations, with losses of 8300 per month (as in November):
    irretrievable losses of 100 thousand will be achieved - only after 2 years of war (without 7 days), but they say that they have 500-700 thousand there (in total) ...
  32. who are you
    who are you 15 December 2022 11: 18
    0
    if the mercenaries refuse, the mobs cannot fight, then why are we trampling there