Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

The situation in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is developing very difficult, this has already been recognized in Kyiv. The heavy losses of the Ukrainian army led to the fact that talk began about the possible surrender of the city. But this is only talk so far, the fighting continues.

According to reports, the command of the Ukrainian group was forced to plug holes in the defense in the Artyomovsk direction with the help of mercenaries, since the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not at all motivated to fight against the assault groups of "musicians" from the Wagner PMC. Replacing the airmen with foreign mercenaries for some time paid off, although our advance could not be completely stopped, but it turned out to slow down for sure. And then a long-awaited event happened - the mercenaries also refused to fight in this area due to high losses.

According to our intelligence, "fresh" mercenary units refuse to go to the Artemovskoye direction, explaining this by the "difficult situation" in this area.

Due to the very difficult situation for the armed formations of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Artemovsk, foreign mercenaries who had previously signed a contract began to refuse to go to this area under various pretexts

- Andrey Marochko, an officer of the NM LPR, wrote in his TG channel.

In order to deliver reinforcements to Artemovsk, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine even went to the deceit, sending a unit of foreigners there under the pretext that they were going to Dnepropetrovsk. However, instead they were brought to Chasov Yar.

According to the Wagner PMC, the daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, military operations in the Artemovsk region and in the city itself are called the "Bakhmut meat grinder".

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

And what is so bad?

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Since there are no hotels, and the Internet is not as fast as we would like, you cannot post "feats" on Instagram and Facebook. Yes, and they cut their money there a little.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And what is so bad?

Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

[Zaurbek]

And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"? They want money and romance .... and here shelling and tanks ... and there is no aviation of their own. And the conflict is alien...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Zaurbek

And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"?

"The ogre invites the ogre to dinner.
“Yes, it’s not bad to get for lunch, but by no means in the form of a dish.”

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Zaurbek

And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"? They want money and romance .... and here shelling and tanks ... and there is no aviation of their own. And the conflict is alien...

Yes, and they rode in order to, like in a shooting range, shoot at the Russians cheerfully and naturally, but here it’s like, the Russians “for some reason” shoot and kill them, despite their “romantic” mood and nature.

[Trapp1st]

Yes, and they rode in order to, like in a shooting range, have fun and naturally shoot at the Russians, but here it’s like, the Russians “for some reason” shoot and kill them

They kill only by accident, but they are taken prisoner, fed, watered, given phones, ride Abramovichs on planes, sent on vacation and then again on a safari, there are still a lot of Russians, a lot of work ...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Nyrobsky

and kill despite their "romantic" mood and nature.

You can say they didn't give a damn "Listen, I didn't do anything. I just walked in.... Hooligan!" (Caucasian captive)

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Zaurbek

And why should mercenaries get into the "porridge"? They want money and romance .... and here shelling and tanks ... and there is no aviation of their own. And the conflict is alien...

And there is dirt, cold, no hot coffee, nowhere to wash, let alone wash, nowhere to sleep, uncomfortable and cold. In general, not Florida at all, and not even Krakow ...

[isv000]

Quote: tihonmarine

Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

The size of the coffins exceeded all expectations...

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: isv000

Quote: tihonmarine

Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

The size of the coffins exceeded all expectations...

More precisely, the number of coffins exceeded all expectations.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: tihonmarine

..... Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

what perfidy, Vlad! if they say ----Bakhmut meat grinder, then, indeed, why mince coffin

[abrakadabre]

Zelya refused to pay "coffin" to the mercenaries.

This one pops off easily. He will say that there is no one to pay, for the lack of a body. Or the inability to identify the recipient by the found arm / leg ...

[Barberry25]

because the lords and masters do not want to die instead of slaves, getting into an open meat grinder

[Zaurbek]

Yes, there were simply no such conflicts after Vietnam and Korea .... Take even our Wagner PMCs .... I think for them the war on 404 is a new challenge and a new experience.

[isv000]

Quote: Zaurbek

Yes, there were simply no such conflicts after Vietnam and Korea .... Take even our Wagner PMCs .... I think for them the war on 404 is a new challenge and a new experience.

After the Victory, the Europeans will see in front of them a superbly trained and equipped army of Russia, which has become such thanks to their efforts!

[Zaurbek]

The main thing is that our leadership should see it, appreciate it and use it for its intended purpose ..... and not act similarly to the legacy of the Afghan war.

[Barberry25]

Well, it goes without saying, only ours are fighting, but the gentlemen do not want

[Zaurbek]

There are not all Hosts.... Poles, Romanians, Georgians.... a little more expensive, but not much different from 404x. For them, it is also trash. We went to conferences, exercises, received salaries from the State Department, past our government. Now, the X hour has come - they are working it out. I don’t have warm feelings for Georgians, but what can voluntarily move them to get stuck in such a meat grinder? Not in their homeland .... If they are such warriors, there is South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

[Barberry25]

there is the whole point that everyone who is in the wings of the Americans consider themselves ancient nations and that they are personally higher in rating and in this situation the owners

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

And what is so bad?

Apparently they didn't like our "okroshka".

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

And what is so bad?

They promised a safari to the barbarians and hotels, but here the specialists crumble and dispose of shells without sparing.

[Alexander Rasmukhambetov]

This is not for you to drive shepherds through the desert.

[aakvit]

That's when they begin to drape in droves from Khokhlodivia, then it will be possible to talk about something, but for now they simply "refuse" - and who heard and saw this? And "great losses" do not prevent them from continuing to fight, even if we assume that they were deceived into the database zone! After all, they are fighting!

[Woodman]

Quote: aakvit

in the meantime, they simply "refuse" - and who has heard and seen this?

So you can agree to the fact that they are not there at all and never have been.

Quote: aakvit

That's when they begin to drape in droves from Khokhlodivia, then it will be possible to speak

So the same question arises.

Quote: aakvit

and who heard and saw it?

because they will also obviously not be on camera to "drape in crowds".

[isv000]

Quote: aakvit

That's when they begin to drape in droves from Khokhlodivia, then it will be possible to talk about something, but for now they simply "refuse" - and who heard and saw this? And "great losses" do not prevent them from continuing to fight, even if we assume that they were deceived into the database zone! After all, they are fighting!

The ice has broken! The time is not far off when, for such a "deception", cunning from the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fall down the surrounding ditches and smell ...

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Foreign mercenaries began to refuse to participate in hostilities in the Artyomovsky direction

***
- Stingy...
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[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

- Stingy...

So the dead don't need money.

[isv000]

Quote: tihonmarine

So the dead don't need money.

They will become dead after someone signs for them in the statement ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: isv000

They will become dead after someone signs for them in the statement ...

And here the "bloody dwarf", even on dead mercenaries, "makes money".

[Battle Toads]

All our Armed Forces, from the rank and file to the commanders and headquarters - you are our Heroes!
Victory will be for Russia, no options

[coinsam]

The information is believable. But it would be nice to confirm it in any form, either from these mercenaries themselves, or from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or from third parties.

[sadam2]

Not necessary. They said 800 mercenaries a day, two hundred who are on the defensive and that's it. And in the attack, other mercenaries are immortal))) some kind of big top.
Here we have a sledgehammer in the head for refusing ... therefore there is no such option

[Leader_Barmaleev]

What about the mercenary code?
- we fight for money
- we execute orders for money
- we will be ordered to die - we will die
Has something changed?

[saigon]

What kind of code for mercenaries is not good for mom?
There, for the most part, rabble, specific scum and are ready to sell everyone and everything just so as not to die. What kind of codes are there, it's just a beautiful tryndez, who will say it straight - I'm ready to kill scum for loot and at the same time I'm not going to take risks and they will press you a bit either on the run or betray.
That's all, and in this rabble, many wars have not seen it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

Has something changed?

Last line:
- we execute orders for money
- we will be ordered to die - we will run away

[businessv]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

What about the mercenary code?

I don’t remember the exact title of the article, but on this resource, they recently found out that the Poles were sending active professional military men, they wrote conclusively, describing in detail the moment of transferring 200 psheks, from which a fair conclusion is made. They say that such a procedure takes place weekly.https://vizitnlo.ru/2022/12/08/

[D16]

the Poles send active professional military

You can learn how to fight against a strong enemy only by taking part in the war with him. The Poles had a great opportunity. As for the transfer of 200x, no one said it would be easy.

[businessv]

Quote: D16

You can learn how to fight against a strong enemy only by taking part in the war with him.

It was not about who, how and at whose expense should learn to fight, it was about mercenaries.

[Zefr]

What about the mercenary code?

The code is just a set of rules, not a law!

[Cananecat]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

Has something changed?

Yes... fees have changed

[isv000]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

What about the mercenary code?
- we fight for money
- we execute orders for money
- we will be ordered to die - we will die
Has something changed?

The keywords "money" and "get", with which there are big problems on the outskirts ...

[Dmitry Tsarevich]

Mercenaries of the wrong system went. The text of your comment is incomparable.

[tralflot1832]

The goal of a Western mercenary is to earn money, and then spend it. He does not need it in a coffin.

[Mouse]

some wrong mercenaries... still choose where to go, where to go....

[novel66]

And do not say, crushed the people, wants freebies for money. Ours to you

[Mouse]

Great!
they want everything to be with them, but they didn’t have anything for it ... and here you get it, get it, sign it ...

[novel66]

When your hand is torn off - what will you sign?

[Mouse]

and this is, as they say, no one .... sorry ...

[isv000]

Quote: novel xnumx

When your hand is torn off - what will you sign?

Zelensky will teach how to do things without the help of hands...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mouse

some wrong mercenaries... still choose where to go, where to go..

So now there are few such places where they are in demand, now for them the main field of activity is the Ruin.

[saigon]

Yes, the usual abominations, that's all, it's not clear just how they can refuse.
In the normal scenario, the gusef of these wild ones will either be shot down to a not good mother or forced to go in front (they usually don’t spare this scum). It’s clear that something is wrong in the outlying kingdom if the mercenaries show off, the normal army will just shoot them.

[Uprun]

"Azovstal gatherings", "Kherson mill", "Zaporozhye swims", "Artyomovsk meat grinder", there will still be roofing felts ...., the geography and plot need to be expanded.

[tralflot1832]

Maybe there will finally be a "Beskydy sitting in the dark"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote from uprun

"Azovstal gatherings", "Kherson mill", "Zaporozhye swims", "Artyomovsk meat grinder", there will still be roofing felts ...., the geography and plot need to be expanded.

It is necessary to add to the geography - "Debaltsevo cauldron" and "Ilovaisky cauldron".

[digger]

Many here are hysterical saying that Russia left the territories ... but it was bound to lay down with its bones and put all the professionals on the altar for the sake of some piece of land .. which can cross several times during the war ..... so once again - the territory is not important for the military ..and the final result and the victory are also important for the poet in order to achieve the ultimate goal .. if necessary ... this territory will be left several times. Remember the goals of the NWO. For these purposes, THE CAPTURE / CLEARANCE OF TERRITORIES NEVER BEEN VOICED .. the main goal is the destruction / denazification and demilitarization / destruction of weapons of the ukrovermacht. therefore, now it is the destruction that is going on ... at an active pace. And the territory ... this is a side effect and then it will fall into the hands of Russia on its own.

[Ded60]

Agree completely. Unfortunately, this opinion is rare. More and more "oh oh, guard. everything is wrong !!!". I would also add to your statement "demilitarization / destruction of weapons of the ukrovermacht." that NATO weapons and all kinds of Western rabble are also being destroyed.

[Alexander Salenko]

Rarely, and as political scientist Semyon Uralov says, this is a swing, our people also swing from zrada to victory
I watched Sharia a couple of weeks ago, sometimes I look at what they say from the other side, so the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already dispelled the myth about the Russian army. From wrote to him in the style: ay-wake up. I was also disappointed by the abandonment of Kherson, but there you can look at the map, I think it would be possible to supply, but not easy. So I am writing to him, the war is going on in the territory that you confidently consider yours. According to the American general, you spend 7 thousand shells and we spend 20 thousand. Russia has a larger mobile resource, the arithmetic is by no means in favor of Ukraine.

[Metal bro]

You wrote with the subject above at least more accurately. Do you think it's easy for those who believed Russia and were later executed? And there is no need to look at the warriors from the bell tower. Civilians lived normally, and then they did this to them

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: Digger

Many here will hysteria saying that Russia left the territory... ..if necessary...they will leave this territory several times.

They “hysteria” because they are able to understand that every “come and go” is paid for with the lives of our military, this is followed by cleansing and terror of the locals.
They understand that the departure from Kyiv is caused by changes in the strategy of actions not according to the “plan”. They began to use the word "grinding" according to a new plan. Destruction is underway, first on this "territory" people were destroyed by informational "partners", having remade ours! people into our enemies, and now we ourselves “grind” our people at 1000 a day. To the delight of puppeteers-enemies!
“They are hysterical” because the Nazi generator in Ukraine has not been neutralized, Zel have not been recognized as war criminals. and the environment, the Nazi TV is working, the transport of weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is being passed, the beating of Donetsk, the bombing in the Russian Federation continues.

Quote: Digger

And the territory ... this is a side effect and then it will fall into the hands of Russia on its own.

Tin soldiers do not fall by themselves.

[Alexander Salenko]

And the territories themselves are falling, look at Ukraine, did they get Crimea? They didn't fight for him. And there were enough different examples in history when the territories themselves fall.

[Alexander Ra]

Crimea "fallen" within the state of the USSR. This is different. Now retribution for the decisions of 1954 and 91.

[Ded60]

"To hysteria, to understand, it was necessary to do this, and not that, and the like" - this is as much as you like. But to make nasty decisions is a completely different job. Do you think those who made such a decision fell off the moon and did not understand what the reaction would be in the army, in society, how many tantrums there would be? We each sit on our own "bump" and see only what is visible from it. And what you will see if you climb higher, so maybe it is "God forbid."

[Metal bro]

You have to fight better. And it seems that the minds of the army have changed. Who knows how to do something, he does useful things in civilian life

[Ded60]

Or here he is scribbling advice ... The best football players are on the podium.

[rotmistr60]

daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded.

With such losses, the mercenaries, of course, lose their desire to get into the "meat grinder". In the morning there was a running line of information that more than 90 Polish mercenaries were killed as a result of our strike. Again, the Polish media will grieve about the "simple Polish guys" who went to kill the Russians, but for some reason the Russians turned out to be angry and killed them.

[Boniface]

this is understandable - the aroma of barbecue from their own limbs, to feel - the Mercenaries have little desire!
They didn't sign up for this.

[Battle Toads]

Quote: Digger

Many here are hysterical saying that Russia left the territories ... but it was bound to lay down with its bones and put all the professionals on the altar for the sake of some piece of land .. which can cross several times during the war ..... so once again - the territory is not important for the military ..and the final result and the victory are also important for the poet in order to achieve the ultimate goal .. if necessary ... this territory will be left several times. Remember the goals of the NWO. For these purposes, THE CAPTURE / CLEARANCE OF TERRITORIES NEVER BEEN VOICED .. the main goal is the destruction / denazification and demilitarization / destruction of weapons of the ukrovermacht. therefore, now it is the destruction that is going on ... at an active pace. And the territory ... this is a side effect and then it will fall into the hands of Russia on its own.

Full understanding of materiel! Bravo!!

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from BattleToads

Full understanding of materiel! Bravo!!

No. Not complete.
Everything would be logical and correct (and I would also subscribe to this text), if not for one "but" - in November, Russia left its territory! Full subject of the Russian Federation! Moreover, she left it, being in a rather advantageous fortified position against the Ukronazis advancing "on the bare steppe" (as we were told).
And if about Kherson - there is no question. They simply deceived people who believed that Russia had come forever ... then in the case of Kherson, not Ukrainian Russians, but RUSSIAN Russians, were deliberately thrown at the mercy of the Nazis, on RUSSIAN territory!
And if, under the onslaught of the ukrovermacht, ours leave the Crimea (I won’t be surprised at anything) - will you also shout bravo to those who justify the surrender of their land by “correct understanding of the goals of the NWO”?

[Ded60]

What would you write if the Nazis had gouged the Kakhovka dam and washed away the right bank along with "not Ukrainian Russians, but RUSSIAN Russians, on RUSSIAN territory!" along with our soldiers? For them, people are manure, whatever the gentlemen order, they will do. And for you ? Which option is less? Or do you not admit that this could be?

[igork735]

If the Nazis gouge the dam, God forbid, of course, it will flood the left bank, and not the high right one.

[Ded60]

Both right and left in different, of course, sizes. But it would have flooded Kherson and a lot of other settlements. And what to do? They made such a decision. And which is better .... "history has no subjunctive mood."

[Alexander Salenko]

Kherson is not Dnepropetrovsk, the elevation difference is smaller there, so that would be enough for everyone.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Ded60

What would you write if the Nazis had gouged the Kakhovka dam and washed away the right bank together ...

If this, God forbid, happens, then the left bank and the mouth (just where ours are now dug in after the retreat) will be flooded much faster than Kherson.
Therefore, having retreated and abandoned the Russian city and its Russian inhabitants, our troops only saved themselves from a military clash (not even destruction!). And they did not escape the danger of flooding on the left bank with this withdrawal.

[D16]

and will be flooded much faster than Kherson.

There would be no flood there from the left, much less from the right downstream. But even 5 cm of water on the local chernozems would put a stake on all logistics for Kherson in general, provided that bridges and dams were not working. Helicopters would have to supply the city and the troops. They did the right thing by leaving.

[Alexander Salenko]

They won't leave Crimea because here, in Crimea, there is a more loyal population than in Kherson, I'm telling you, many of our citizens are somewhat mistaken. There is enough loyal population of Ukraine. We also have such in Crimea, but this is about 10% and they did not work in any way in 2014. Well, they fed the soldiers of the garrisons, perhaps. Aksyonov should throw a call, or maybe not, the same militia will appear as in the Donbass.
And in Kherson, the neighbors surrendered their neighbors, to leave everything and leave from there, even Shariy convinced himself, quite a pro-Ukrainian lad, who said: even if you are waiting for the arrival of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, leave, well then we have not left Kherson yet. There, people specifically suffered, yes, that's right. For example, one water carrier was killed for carrying water to the village from a pumping station guarded by Russian soldiers.
But the same Khersonians, Odessans, etc., looked to see if the Crimea would burn out or not. During this time, the new Ukrainian leadership had an inoculation, so, for example, they managed to put out the performance in Kharkov and Odessa. The best people died there.
But if they all acted together, then the war, which has been dragging on for almost 9 years, could have been avoided. You watched the film "Wedding in Malinovka" how the government is changing. Do you think there are few khataskrayniks in Crimea? It’s also enough, but Crimea will not be forgiven for obvious pro-Russian sympathies, I was in Kyiv at one event and saw how, at the word autonomy, some participants in the event were twisted, it was in 2006. They clicked our tongues about the number of Ukrainian schools on the peninsula, we had one, although in the "advanced" schools there were classes with the Ukrainian language of instruction, but everyone taught in Russian in these classes. They nodded to us that we were a subsidized region and twitched when they heard in response: why are you coming to work with us, and not vice versa.
We are fundamentally no different in this sense, but there is this condition about not being forgiven, and when their leaders shouted that we would return the Crimea, they did not say that our citizens were there, that we would return the Crimeans. Those. It's about territory, not population. And this is flavored with interethnic difficulties with one small but proud people. No one doubts that if they come here, there will be a massacre in the Crimea. This greatly affects the mentality. And yet, we have nowhere to run, all rush to the bridge or what? There are already traffic jams there at the present time, though because the cars still began to be checked.

[Ulan.1812]

So they came to hunt the "Indians", but turned out to be game themselves.
It is clear that they did not like it.

[g_ae]

Polyakov! Poles need to be grounded more! Poles, like ukrosaurs, cannot be treated, neither with a kind word, nor with a kind word with a gun, only lulling, and a skirmish with the lords, most likely after the Sumerians, is very likely in the future.

[tralflot1832]

As they say, the Poles daily return from Ukraine to Poland, so that later they won’t leave anywhere. Land will not be given.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Correctly. A real badass brutal American Marine fights only with tribes armed with spears and slings... and also against rebels with homemade sawn-off shotguns!
Otherwise, it's dishonest.

[Konnick]

According to the Wagner PMC, the daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded.

The traditions of Suvorov are observed ...
The Wehrmacht had such daily losses on the entire Eastern Front. Have a sense of proportion, free Artemovsk. and then report, Suvorov, by the way, did this, after the victory he wrote such reports.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Do you hear "wise guy", but don't you want to go and help liberate Artemovsk? Or will you sit on the couch and continue to give advice?

[Konnick]

Do you hear "wise guy", but don't you want to go and help liberate Artemovsk?

And who will they give me to obey?
Someone like you who poke? Go yourself...

[Battle Toads]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Quote from BattleToads

Full understanding of materiel! Bravo!!

No. Not complete.
Everything would be logical and correct (and I would also subscribe to this text), if not for one "but" - in November, Russia left its territory! Full subject of the Russian Federation! Moreover, she left it, being in a rather advantageous fortified position against the Ukronazis advancing "on the bare steppe" (as we were told).
And if about Kherson - there is no question. They simply deceived people who believed that Russia had come forever ... then in the case of Kherson, not Ukrainian Russians, but RUSSIAN Russians, were deliberately thrown at the mercy of the Nazis, on RUSSIAN territory!
And if, under the onslaught of the ukrovermacht, ours leave the Crimea (I won’t be surprised at anything) - will you also shout bravo to those who justify the surrender of their land by “correct understanding of the goals of the NWO”?

Read above, the person laid out everything very competently!

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from BattleToads

Read above, the person laid out everything very competently!

I read it carefully. About what kind of literacy of presentation you are talking about - I will not understand. The person writes about the fact that they left because we could be flooded.
But they didn’t go to the Urals (yet ). And by leaving across the river, we did not protect ourselves from this threat at all! If, in the current retreat situation, our troops are in exactly the same (if not greater) danger of flooding, if suddenly the Ukronazis blow up the dam. For now they are concentrated in the lowlands! (since the left bank, together with the spit and the mouth of the Dnieper, is lower than the right bank, on which Kherson stands)

[APASUS]

Due to the very difficult situation for the armed formations of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Artemovsk, foreign mercenaries who had previously signed a contract began to refuse to go to this area under various pretexts

As far as I understand the whole situation, once in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you won’t go wild. Whether you are a mercenary or not, not many can choose. Americans, Germans, British, perhaps, the rest, like Poles, are driven to slaughter

[Sergei N 58912062]

That's where they go! Bandera has been waiting for them there for a long time.

[orionvitt]

All mercenaries are ready to kill for money, but no one wants to die for it, otherwise it makes no sense. Mercenary is good when you fight for money with barefoot partisans, and not with a full-fledged army, where there are much more chances to die. So it's not surprising. Surprisingly different. People, seemingly with experience, still have not understood that the war in Ukraine is not a walk.

[Sergei N 58912062]

orionvitt agrees with you 100%! Far from walking!!!

[_Ugene_]

daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded

if our losses also led for comparison, it would be very good

[Poplar]

daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction range from 500 to 800 people killed and wounded.

And I have another question. Recently I read at VO that the Bakhmut garrison is 3,5-4 thousand. At this rate, it is knocked out in a week. Is that there, daily reinforcements arrive? And is it possible to somehow solve the issue with these reinforcements? It seems they wrote (also in VO) that almost all roads are under fire control.

[Vladimir80]

And I have another question

everyone has such questions, who thinks with their heads ... therefore, it is impossible to trust either our Konyushkov or the suburban arrest officers ...

[VladimirNET]

> daily losses of APU in this direction
> range from 500 to 800
The figures are overestimated by 1.8 - 2.9 times (from 80% to 190%):
reported all the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for November 8300.

[Sergei N 58912062]

VladimirNET but who counts them there? Zelya sends yellow-blakytne meat for slaughter, and they die like flies.

[VladimirNET]

Source:
https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/1053657-shoigu-soobshchil-chto-vsu-v-noiabre-poteriali-bolee-8-3-tysiachi-voennykh

[Sergei N 58912062]

Well done musicians! Continue to grind VSUK in a meat grinder. Bandera has been waiting for them there for a long time!

[ISKANDER_61]

The legend is fresh, but it is hard to believe.
What, all 8 or 10 thousand refuse to fight?
Do not tell 5our slippers, authors.

[wladomir]

It is not at all clear to me who with such tenacity is effectively holding on from the side of the outskirts in this direction. Judging by our information system, there is no one to fight there. Convinced Nazis have long been killed there and untrained warriors are being driven there, foreign legionnaires do not want to fight there, and they are being destroyed by dozens. So who is there with such perseverance and skill to oppose our trained armed forces???

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Za všechny tyto padle vojáky nese zodpovědnost Biden a vláda Zeleného Bandery. Oni neválčí za správnou věc, jejich boj je už dopředu prohraný.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: wladimir

It is not at all clear to me who with such tenacity is effectively holding on from the side of the outskirts in this direction. Judging by our information system, there is no one to fight there.

There was information that Ukraine is fighting like this:
1) in the first echelon - they put the untrained and the defense.
2) in the rest - trained.
As a result, only the recently drafted die, and the untrained (in front) - after weeks of such a war - are actually quickly trained.

foreign legionnaires do not want to fight there

If they didn't want to, they would have left long ago,
they get paid A LOT.

In addition, regular military personnel of the same Poles are already massively appearing: with their self-propelled guns, etc. - on which they came.
And from some reports - only foreigners are already fighting in some areas.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Sergei N 58912062

VladimirNET but who counts them there?
Zelya sends yellow-blakytne meat for slaughter, and they die like flies.

Despite this - this is how they can fight for years:
according to my calculations, with losses of 8300 per month (as in November):
irretrievable losses of 100 thousand will be achieved - only after 2 years of war (without 7 days), but they say that they have 500-700 thousand there (in total) ...

[who are you]

if the mercenaries refuse, the mobs cannot fight, then why are we trampling there