NATO will expand until Russia stops 'expressing concern'

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NATO will expand until Russia stops 'expressing concern'

Many analysts note NATO's growing interest in Northern Europe. More precisely - to the entry of Sweden and Finland into the alliance. At the same time, most Western analysts deliberately forget that the issue of these countries joining the North Atlantic bloc has been on the agenda for quite some time.

Moreover, we are talking about the legal registration of already existing relations. In fact, both countries have long been participating in many of the bloc's activities in one capacity or another. Joining the bloc is, rather, of strategic importance for peacetime.
NATO is extending the border with Russia by about 1 kilometers. Which automatically increases the risks for our northern regions. Naturally, in such circumstances, Russia will be forced to respond. And this, in turn, will be an additional burden on the country's economy.



But, it seems to me, the biggest danger for us will be a completely different factor. History we have already been taught that the West should not be trusted. "Trust but verify". Remember how nuclear weapons appeared in Europe? And what did it lead to, remember? Now they can use nuclear bombs, more precisely, trained and trained pilots from other countries!

And what will prevent NATO from deploying some of its nuclear weapons in northern Europe? In this case, you know the excuse for Moscow's request as well as I do. This is an internal affair of the alliance and is in no way directed against Russia. This is directed, for example, against the DPRK (by analogy with Iranian missiles).

Naturally, we will take some retaliatory measures and stop the danger. But the main thing here is not the danger of using such weapons against Russia. The main thing in this case is that the Baltic Sea loses the status of a nuclear-free zone! Now let's recall the press reports about the entry of alliance ships into the Black Sea.

What is necessarily mentioned in messages of this kind? The ship is armed with such and such installations for launching missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads! And this radically changes the balance of power in this region. The security of St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad will be questionable. Yes, the whole region.

In April 2022, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced that there were practically no obstacles for the Swedes and Finns to join NATO. That is, there is no need for any radical changes in the army.

“Finland and Sweden are our closest partners. These are strong and mature democracies, members of the European Union, and we have been cooperating with them for many years. We know that their armed forces are up to NATO standards.”

And on May 15 of this year, he specified the desires of the alliance, which will be realized immediately after the entry of Sweden and Finland into the bloc:

“Obviously, the membership of Finland and Sweden is important for NATO. We will look at ways to provide security assurances, including an increased NATO presence in the Baltic region, in and around the territories of Finland and Sweden, and of course in close consultation with and with the consent of Finland and Sweden.”

What will be the reaction of Russia?


The fact that a country's accession to NATO automatically turns the state, firstly, into a possible springboard for an attack on Russia, and secondly, into a target for Russian weapons. Whatever the presidents and governments of the member countries of the bloc say about their peacefulness and desire to be good neighbors, the military, who are entrusted with the defense of the state, always consider and will consider such countries as a potential danger.

Accordingly, retaliatory measures will be taken. At least equivalent, and with a normal response, ensuring the defense of the region and the destruction of the enemy in response to aggression. We are well aware that it is impossible to "play war" even with the former "brotherly" people. You must always fight seriously, in full. Kindness to the enemy always entails additional losses not only of material resources, but also of personnel.

Very indicative in this regard was the report that appeared yesterday in the British media that one of the mercenaries, Sean Pinner, previously sentenced to death in Donetsk and then exchanged for our prisoners, tells how he was tortured in the “KGB basements” of Donetsk , and he has now returned to Ukraine to seek revenge. Verily, simplicity is worse than theft.

How will the situation in the region change? It is too early to talk about specific measures on our part. Specifically, no one says anything, which means that everything that the media writes about today is the reflections of specific analysts, politicians, and journalists.

Only one thing is known for certain - Russia will take the necessary measures in all areas of combat use. From underwater fleet to space. As they wrote in Soviet times - on land, at sea and in the air, and in modern times - in space. The potential threat must be eliminated.

Here is what Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev wrote in his Telegram channel a few months ago:

“If Sweden and Finland join NATO, the length of the land borders of the alliance with the Russian Federation will more than double. Naturally, these boundaries will have to be strengthened. Seriously strengthen the grouping of ground forces and air defense, deploy significant naval forces in the waters of the Gulf of Finland. In this case, we can no longer talk about any non-nuclear status of the Baltic - the balance must be restored.

Can't be more specific. The West understands only when it feels the smell of someone else's fist in front of its muzzle. Be it Russian, Chinese, Iranian or even a North Korean fist. Dmitry Anatolyevich, as a politician, simply replaced the Russian word kulak with foreign vocabulary.

No less harshly immediately after the statements about the desire to join the alliance, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, spoke out:

“If Finland and Sweden join the alliance, they will turn into a space for confrontation between the North Atlantic bloc and Russia, with all the ensuing consequences, including for our time-tested good neighborly relations.”

“In order to radically influence the policy of states, NATO diligently molded the image of an enemy out of Russia. Although in fact it was the alliance that created a threat to the security of our country. We have been warning our northern European neighbors on a regular basis and for quite a long time that their being drawn into the NATO orbit threatens to unbalance the European security system. This is not "the topic of the last weeks".

What's next?


At the beginning of this material, I wrote that NATO has been considering the issue of Sweden and Finland joining the alliance for a long time. It really is. Moreover, proposals to these countries were received many times, but rejected by their governments.

The reason is obvious enough. The neutral status provided huge advantages for the development of the economy. Starting from the ridiculous costs of the army and navy and ending with the supply of resources and raw materials on preferential terms. Well-fed and quite prosperous people did not want to change anything. Everything suited everyone.

Swedish and Finnish politicians were simply afraid of the voters' reaction to such a decision. Swedes and Finns are pragmatic people and do not want to change their own lives for the worse. Consequently, the question of joining the alliance called into question their future political career.

The NWO gave rise to the indoctrination of the population of northern Europe. The media actively began to spread fakes about the atrocities of Russian soldiers in Ukraine, which, naturally, horrified part of the population. Correctly presented information has created conditions under which the population, if it does not unambiguously support joining NATO, will be neutral.

Remember the statements of NATO leaders and politicians from different countries about the rapid admission of Sweden and Finland to the alliance? If a certain discipline is observed by all members of the bloc, today we would ascertain the fact of entry. But something went wrong. The two countries decided to get their own "candy" from this decision. Turkey and Hungary.

In the meantime, the sanctions that have been imposed on Russia have begun to take effect. As always, double-edged. The impact on the economies of the northern European countries proved to be effective. Especially in Finland. The rupture of relations with Russia in some sectors led to the collapse of many entrepreneurs. Time plays against the alliance.

I do not want to say that the decision to join will be canceled at the last moment. Alas, this is not possible. Too much has already been done. But the fact that most citizens already regret it is a fact.

The question of further expansion of the alliance remains. About the same Ukraine, Georgia and others who wish. Alas, I do not see anything rosy in this matter. What is the main postulate of NATO? We hold back Russia! And it doesn't even matter that Moscow is not striving for an aggravation or some kind of escalation. Today the main trump card is democracy and liberal values.

The idea of ​​containing the "barbarians from the East" is cultivated constantly and quite actively. And here the idea of ​​the expansion of the alliance fits very well. The most frequently used in Ukraine, the thesis - "we are supported by the whole world." By the way, other European institutions operate in exactly the same way. The same European Parliament for example.

Is there a way to stop this? There is. In my opinion, this is what our guys in Ukraine are doing now. If the West understands that Russia can not only draw red lines, express concern, raise the issue at the UN Security Council, etc., but also strike if necessary, then it will act much more prudently.

North Korea showed a very good example in this regard yesterday. During the exercises, together with the United States, units of the South Korean army got too close to the borders of the DPRK. The order immediately followed, and openly, published in the press, that the North Korean troops were ordered to shoot at any object that crosses the border without warning.

And the teachings immediately rolled back far enough from the borders. The East is not only a dark matter, but also a cruel one...
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  1. +3
    9 December 2022 05: 51
    NATO will expand until Russia stops 'expressing concern'
    what remains? Ukraine can be hammered by our leaders, almost (almost) without problems, where their children do not live in mansions, and do not study at prestigious schools (universities), but Europe ... this is another matter ... or simply "this is different."
    1. -16
      9 December 2022 09: 46
      Russia will soon close ITS outer space over the territory of the Russian Federation to an altitude of 600 km.
      everything that is not agreed to fly with the VKS will be destroyed (S-500, S-550)
      for example, the ISS will have to raise its orbit from 550 km - above 600 km, somewhere up to 1000 km.
      so there will soon be more backward countries "Papuans" on our ball
      1. +2
        10 December 2022 06: 43
        Russia will soon close its outer space

        Well, yes, well, yes ... First, it will close - soon - from drones, then all outer space - to Maprs.
        But not right now.
      2. +1
        10 December 2022 08: 52
        Yes, yes, our Aerospace Forces are not able to destroy the Air Force and Air Defense of Ukraine, but they will show Kuz'kin's mother to the rest of the world ... We believe! laughing
    2. +2
      9 December 2022 10: 07
      Quote: Aerodrome
      what remains?

      Sorry for the next option, many will probably outrage. Just a side view. But given such a large area, there may be decision-making centers, communication centers, and so on. better and easier to move inland? Yes, we are talking about the capital. Yes, it is expensive, it takes a long time, but is it possible? Especially given the prospects for worsening cooperation with Europe and improving with Asia. Its own large buffer territory neutralizes NATO's desire to bring its medium and short-range missiles closer.
      1. +5
        9 December 2022 11: 29
        Quote: Azim77
        Yes, it is expensive, it takes a long time, but is it possible?

        Leave Moscow for Siberia? Oh you are a dreamer laughing good Who among the respected will want?

        Quote: Azim77
        Its own large buffer territory neutralizes NATO's desire to bring its medium and short-range missiles closer.

        No "buffer zones" will stop NATO. They need an obedient Russia, meekly fulfilling all the wishes of the Fed, the IMF, the World Bank and the White House. They need to tightly isolate China, and without Russia's participation, no effective isolation will come of it. Ukraine is a battlefield, but deep processes, that's why they are deep ...
        1. -1
          9 December 2022 12: 51
          NATO, like Tolya, was invented as a lightning rod, why in our country everything is crookedly askew. interesting But would they accept us then as those Turks in NATO, who would be to blame for all the sins right now?
          1. +4
            9 December 2022 16: 01
            Quote from Sadam2
            But then they would accept us

            Wouldn't accept. Not then, not now, never. Why? Too large and complex "piece", they will not be able to quickly digest / reformat it to fit their agenda. They need little "partners". It is quite possible that if they were able to agree on the division of the country, then ... But who would go for it here? This is synonymous with political doom for anyone who just hints at it. The country is one and indivisible, but NATO is not interested in such a country.
          2. 0
            12 December 2022 12: 49
            read the nato charter! there is a direct call to war against Russia
      2. +3
        9 December 2022 11: 33
        It's not expensive and it doesn't take long.

        Another question is that Msk is the demographic, logistical and financial center of the Russian Federation.
        Faithful servants of the people and people's representatives will never give up manual control of financial flows.

        Missiles may not arrive or may arrive later. And the loot will begin to flow between your fingers right now.
      3. 0
        9 December 2022 14: 23
        Quote: Azim77
        move inland

        This great idea has been around for a long time. Now the connection is quite reliable, that is, nothing prevents the creation of a "administrative capital" on Yamal, where to transfer all officials of all levels - councils, prefectures, mayor's offices, administrations of "urban settlements", tax authorities, FIU, all sorts of compulsory medical insurance and so on and so forth.
        For them, write separate traffic rules, the minimum speed in the city is 130 km / h, the maximum is not limited.
      4. +3
        10 December 2022 06: 45
        ...But given such a large area,

        In what year were Tomahawks developed?
        Do you really think that they have nothing better, because they CANNOT ???
        This is a fatal delusion ... it was just not necessary before ...
  2. +4
    9 December 2022 06: 12
    The West understands only when it feels the smell of someone else's fist in front of its muzzle.
    Ugums, the West, felt the smell of someone else's fist in front of his face, and the Baltic states joined NATO in 2004. Ah, yes .. We then - When I was little, I also rested in pioneer camps. We then had a hard time: we slept in makeshift huts, cooked food on a fire, carried water ourselves, washed ourselves. They were very unsettled in everyday life. And now? Take a look around, what buildings have been built for you, what lawns have been smashed! Plumbing, TV, gas kitchen! Greenhouses, flower beds, events! Children, you are the masters of the camp, you! What is required of you, my friends? The entire pioneer camp in unison: - Dis-qi-pli-na! !(With)
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 06: 21
      Alexey Bogomazov. I don’t know what camp you were in. Most of the Soviet pioneers. camps overgrown with greenery. You deliberately put the truth on the untruth.
      1. +1
        9 December 2022 06: 32
        I’m translating for you, when the Baltic states were accepted into NATO, they expressed their concern. Because: We then had a hard time: we slept in makeshift huts, cooked food on a fire, carried water ourselves, washed ourselves. They were very unsettled in everyday life. They were on their knees. And now? What kind of buildings have you built, what lawns have been broken! Plumbing, TV, gas kitchen! Greenhouses, flower beds, events! Children, you are the owners of the camp, you! - Rise from your knees: what calibers and fittings have you built, technologically advanced .. Behind the developments of Rosnano, the whole world has lined up ... And let's say a resolute no to the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO and they they won’t join, but they will join .. so we’ll show them Kuzma’s mother. But I’m afraid you didn’t understand or didn’t want to ..
        1. +4
          9 December 2022 07: 17
          Alexei. You want to say that the whole world has lined up behind the developments of Rosnano. These are Soviet developments. If they were modern, then drones would not have to be purchased from Iran. It's funny to hear that the Baltic states joined NATO, and therefore you had to sleep in huts. formed NATO, we rested in normal conditions. And then the threat to the world was incomparably higher. We lived in a different civilization, with a different culture, education. The current civilization cannot give the people "Vasily Terkin", "Quiet Flows the Don". With an effort, maybe "Day Watch" .. and a bunch of detectives.
          1. +4
            9 December 2022 11: 20
            You just didn't quite get it. It was parusnik's evil sarcasm, which he tried to represent figuratively by recalling the film "Welcome or no strangers allowed."
            1. +1
              9 December 2022 17: 20
              remembering the film "Welcome or no strangers allowed"
              Thank you for understanding.
          2. +2
            9 December 2022 17: 19
            That was bad sarcasm
            rotmistr60 explained everything to you below
    2. 0
      10 December 2022 08: 45
      So how old are you sick? in the thirties you rested in a pioneer camp (then, because of general poverty, they copied the American camps of green neckties) a veteran! You are such a lively, how many in a hundred years?
  3. KCA
    -1
    9 December 2022 06: 28
    Nate will have to redo the charter so that the acceptance of new members is not unanimous, but by a majority, the Swedes again spat in Erdogan's face, turning out to extradite two of Gülen's associates, somehow Turkey will freeze their entry again after that
    1. -1
      9 December 2022 09: 59
      As the Turks say, you gave us a Kurd who was not on our lists! Failed.
  4. +1
    9 December 2022 06: 31
    Everyone lies as they breathe. There is only one desire, to dress everyone in khaki uniforms. Capitalism does not need a big war. Therefore, everyone grabbed the war in Ukraine, like a drowning man at a straw. That there is a confrontation, everyone says. The fact that there is a grandiose economic nix in the world is kept quiet. Ukraine is used to somehow reduce the consequences of the crisis.
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 07: 08
      everyone grabbed the war in Ukraine like a drowning man at a straw.

      For the Anglo-Saxon elite, another world is not conceivable ..
  5. +6
    9 December 2022 07: 37
    The danger to St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad when Finland and Sweden join NATO is not new, if Russia appetizingly swallowed the same danger to St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad when Estonia and Lithuania joined NATO. From the date of that entry, every month the railway increased and increased. trains with Russian oil, timber, grain, cars to the ports of Klaipeda, Tallinn and Muuga, which would feed these new NATO members from Russian transit, and so that the equipment of the local armies, NATO units, could refuel with cheap fuel from Russia.
    By the way, the port in Ust-Luga has already been actually built.
    And how during all this time, through the transit to the port of Klaipeda, the NATO army unit represented by the Lithuanian army was fed by Russia's strategic partner in the DOKB Lukashenka? Day and night from Belarus to the port of Klaipeda there were trains with Belarusian cars, fertilizers, gasoline, diesel fuel, fuel oil. And from the crossing of the Belarusian-Lithuanian border to the port of Klaipeda, the distance along the railway. in fact, the same as the ports in Kaliningrad and Pionersk, and Lukashenka would have to pay the same for transit through Lithuania - to Klaipeda, to Kaliningrad and Pionersk.
    So, from Estonia to St. Petersburg a hundred kilometers, and from Lithuania to the main base of the Baltic Fleet in Baltiysk - and even less. So Finland and Sweden are still far away ...
    After so many years, the approach of NATO to the borders of Russia met only concern and co-operation on the part of Russia, then this can only be stopped by Russia's complete and urgent victory in the NMD and the immediate forced, as was required before the start of the NMD, the withdrawal of NATO weapons from the borders of Russia, to the level they were in 1991 condition.
  6. +7
    9 December 2022 07: 50
    . History has already taught usand the fact that the West should not be trusted

    And it seems to be the opposite.

    . Мы they perfectly realized that it was impossible to “play war” even with the former “brotherly” people. Fight must always be serious

    We? I would have preferred a more precise wording to a vague one.

    . Dmitry Anatolyevich, as a politician, simply replaced the Russian word kulak with foreign vocabulary.

    No less tough immediately after the statements about the desire to join the alliance, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, also spoke

    After such tough demarches, the whole West must have shuddered cowardly!
  7. +9
    9 December 2022 08: 20
    I remember school. The obligatory Sunday viewing of the television program "I Serve the Soviet Union" was preceded by the company's political officer with "political information", which consisted of a set of slogans that were in no way connected with reality and standard propaganda calls to "fight for world peace." I read the article - how I visited the training school again and listened to the political officer.
  8. +3
    9 December 2022 08: 21
    Another story about how we were once again thrown by Western partners, who are now not friendly countries to us. And of course, from us, an answer will follow, as a result of which we will threaten the Finn and the Swede.
  9. +8
    9 December 2022 09: 11
    This is Putin's multi-move. Instead of Ukraine, they got Sweden and Finland into NATO.
    1. +4
      9 December 2022 12: 58
      About the Finns, Vova said that this is different and we are not worried about what to spit on Peter.
      Nedovoyna with the Ukrainians so that they don’t run away from the braces to Europe for shorts. Well, the result is just the opposite.
    2. +3
      9 December 2022 14: 50
      Instead of Ukraine, they got Sweden and Finland into NATO.

      As if not Ukraine too ....
    3. 0
      10 December 2022 09: 00
      The entry of Sweden and Finland (good vodka!) into the alliance became inevitable as a result of the catastrophe of the early nineties. The USSR pumped astronomical sums through these countries (laundered, in their own words) to bypass various embargoes and other prohibitions and finance the necessary people, movements, parties. These flows disappeared with the advent of eben. and business demanded compensation, and with the EU there was a very capacious market - raw materials are welcome and high-tech goods are limited. These rather severe restrictions are removed by NATO membership (Gazprom was lucky because of these restrictions it had practically no real assets in Europe and the EU got little) It took these countries to grow up a whole generation to move from a benevolent attitude towards us to a neutral-hostile one.
  10. +12
    9 December 2022 09: 35
    "until Russia stops 'expressing concern'"
    This requires other leaders. These can only trade with "Motherland"! I understand that everyone trades. Stalin also traded, but for his resources he received the high technologies of Europe, the engineers who built factories for us. By the way, we still have working American equipment at our plant. One in 1933, the other in 1943. In general, as long as Putin rules, nothing will change.
    "shoot at any object that crosses the border without warning."
    Sounds like fun to us. After regular shelling of our territories. And who else believes that Putin can say such words? Haha! Gateway to help him !!
  11. +6
    9 December 2022 09: 56
    And what did you want?
    They have some Wishlist, we have others, the non-aligned have third.
    And suddenly HPP.
    The "PR" Lavrov did not make any allies, he made killer partners (pilots, remember?), he could not do anything in Europe and Finland. Even the Old Man didn't admit anything...

    And looking at this HPP, at hypersound, Almaty, Poseidons and Petrels, for many years the traditionally neutral ETI rushed into NATO.
    And nothing can be done, except for writing notes - "Yes, it won't work out, but it won't, but still weaklings, but we will shower them with hats"
    HPP pushed them for this a long time ago, when for the first time there was talk of 2000 armats, and unbreakable hypersound, etc. And so it happened...
  12. -4
    9 December 2022 10: 27
    I think we need to be more radical. We need to offer a nuclear umbrella, for example, to Venezuela or Cuba or someone else in that part of the world.
    Stop being afraid of war with the States. Yes, we won't win. But they won't win either.
    You have to take yours. Both in Ukraine and in other parts of the world.
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 14: 48
      It is necessary to offer a nuclear umbrella, for example, to Venezuela or Cuba

      Already offered. Removed back.
    2. +1
      10 December 2022 08: 57
      And do they need it? Despite all their statements, they also want to live, and live well
  13. -2
    9 December 2022 12: 46
    NATO will expand until victory over the Russian Federation. Russia has no alternative to defeating NATO. NATO must cease to exist. Yes, and the EU. Anyone who tries to "negotiate" is working for the victory of NATO. Read Ryabkov's ultimatum.
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 14: 25
      In the 1990s, there was a chance for Russia to join NATO. That's what you had to grab and enter. So that Ukraine is surrounded by NATO countries, and the supply of shells now went from Bulgaria to Donetsk, and not who knows where.
      1. -1
        9 December 2022 17: 03
        if you don't remember, the West rejected this Russian proposal.
        The West is the enemy of Russia.
        It was not Napoleon who attacked Russia, but the Western Commonwealth.
        Not Hitler attacked the USSR, but the Western Commonwealth.
        And now it is not Ukraine that is attacking our lands, but the commonwealth of Western states.
        They come to us every time.
        Every hundred years the same thing.
        We need to burn them down.
        1. +1
          14 December 2022 12: 47
          "And now it is not Ukraine that is attacking our lands"
          does she really attack?
          1. -1
            14 December 2022 16: 02
            and I said that "now it is not Ukraine that is attacking our lands, but the commonwealth of Western states"
            1. 0
              17 December 2022 15: 10
              "not Ukraine attacks our lands, but the commonwealth of Western states"
              can you list the representatives of the armed forces of Western states attacking the Belgorod, Kursk, Rostov regions, or the LPR?
  14. +3
    9 December 2022 14: 46
    NATO will expand until Russia stops 'expressing concern'

    Yah? As soon as Russia stopped "expressing concern", the two countries immediately joined NATO. And Ukraine is quite possible too.
    Most Western analysts deliberately forget that the question of these countries joining the North Atlantic bloc has been on the table for quite some time.

    stood, but did not rise.
    both countries have long been involved in many of the bloc's activities in one capacity or another. Entry into the block has

    The most important. Russia also participated in certain events at one time. But full membership is a completely different level.
    And what will prevent NATO from deploying some of its nuclear weapons in northern Europe?

    Does the author not know? The fact that the Russia-NATO Founding Act explicitly states this is a ban on the deployment of nuclear weapons and infrastructure for them on the territory of new NATO members.
    The NWO gave rise to the indoctrination of the population of northern Europe.

    NWO became the reason for joining NATO, thanks to Lavrov's department.
    The author is a storyteller in every paragraph ....
    1. +1
      9 December 2022 16: 26
      Quote from solar
      What hinders is that in the Russia-NATO Founding Act this is directly fixed

      That's just NATO put on this act. All contracts with them are not worth the paper on which they are written.
      1. -3
        10 December 2022 00: 40
        To date, there have been no violations of this act by NATO.
        1. 0
          14 December 2022 01: 32
          But what about the expansion of NATO to the east. I don’t remember exactly when, but NATO swearing bloody gods about it. After that, the Baltic states, Poland, and the rest of our "neighbors".
          1. -3
            14 December 2022 13: 44
            They made such an informal promise to Gorbachev and kept their word. Only Gorbachev was moved by Yeltsin in 1991. With Yeltsin, everything is different - he was not promised NATO expansion to the East, but only not to create a structure and not to place nuclear weapons in the new NATO members. Yeltsin agreed to this in 1997 and Russia signed the Russia-NATO Founding Act. They are doing it now.
            So there are no violations on their part, neither those that were written down in the agreement, nor those that were promised in words.
            1. 0
              14 December 2022 16: 06
              They made a promise not to Gorbachev, but to the President of the USSR. That is, the whole country.
              The successor of the USSR is Russia. Will you lie further?
              1. -4
                14 December 2022 16: 55
                They made promises personally to Gorbachev, and informally. Not to his heirs, nor to other relatives. Nowhere in treaties and international agreements was this officially recorded. Moreover, this was not done on behalf of NATO, these promises were made personally to Gorbachev by individual officials from the West, albeit of a high rank. At the same time, it was never mentioned that NATO as an organization would make any promises on this subject.
                And yes, at that time Gorbachev was the President of the USSR, if you didn't know.
                But since 1991, Gorbachev ceased to be the President of the USSR, and the USSR itself ceased to exist, as is recorded in the Belovezhskaya Accords, ratified in accordance with the law.
                But NATO continued to keep its word to Gorbachev, although it formally ceased to operate - there was no expansion to the East until the moment when Yeltsin, who wanted to sign an agreement with NATO, did not agree in 1997 that there would be no prohibition on NATO expansion, but only a ban on deploying nuclear weapons in new NATO members.
                NATO Allies Confirm They Have No Intentions, Plans or Reasons to Deploy Nuclear Weapons on the territory of new members

                https://www.nato.int/cps/ru/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm
                And only after Yeltsin did not insist on a ban on NATO expansion did they begin accepting new members - in 2004, 7 years after Yeltsin did not object to the admission of new NATO members.
                Will you lie further?
                1. -1
                  14 December 2022 18: 21
                  Gorbachev was not just a kid from the street, to whom NATO for some reason made promises.
                  Gorachev was the leader of the USSR.
                  Yes, of course, he is the last idiot that did not put the promises in writing.
                  But here you are saying that there were promises.
                  But these promises have not been kept.
                  NATO has expanded to the borders of Russia.
                  I work in a commercial system and there are contracts, but there are personal agreements.
                  So, after the deception in what is called a gentlement agreement, no one believes in any contract.
                  So it is with the West. He has no faith. We will punish the liar.
                  1. -3
                    14 December 2022 22: 37
                    Gorbachev was not just a kid from the street, to whom NATO for some reason made promises.

                    promises were made to him personally, and they were informal. NATO is an organization and has never taken the decision to make such a promise. So there was no talk of any formal registration, no one would have formalized anything for him.
                    But these promises have not been kept.

                    This is for the late Yeltsin. Twice, and the first time when he removed Gorbachev from power, the second time, when he did not object to the expansion of NATO. Do you read my posts at all or just put minuses?
                    and there are personal agreements.

                    Which apply to specific individuals. No one entered into such personal agreements with Yeltsin; on the contrary, they concluded a formal agreement that allowed for the expansion of NATO. And only after that began the expansion.
                    So you understand? If you do not understand, re-read my posts again.
                    hi
  15. +2
    10 December 2022 06: 41
    Only one thing is known for certain - Russia will take the necessary measures in all areas of combat use.

    Somehow, even with Ukraine, these same "all necessary measures" do not work ...
    If all this is not considered, of course, as a process - in the sense of "will be" and for a very long time ...
  16. +2
    10 December 2022 11: 34
    Quoting Dmitry Anatolyevich and Maria Vladimirovna, of course, add lines. And there is someone to refer to, again.
    About Korea, South and North ...
    What does it have to do with it?
    Despite the NWO, the supply of grain, ammonia, gas continues at an accelerated pace.
    Deliveries of palladium, platinum and iridium, as well as uranium, to the United States for 10 months of 2022 exceeded the supply for all of 2021.
    Everything for the front, everything for the Victory?
    Oh!
    Everything for the NWO, everything for the fulfillment of the set goals?
    1. 0
      11 December 2022 02: 28
      Well, there may be an answer that all the money from trade with the enemy goes to the purchase of mavics and other rotaxes for the orions, and not to the pockets of the oligarchs who own export industries. But there are some doubts...
  17. 0
    10 December 2022 13: 30
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    Russia will soon close ITS outer space over the territory of the Russian Federation to an altitude of 600 km.

    Laudable "hopes", Mr. "Romario_Argo" .... Unfortunately, Russia cannot yet "close" ITS airspace from UAVs, even over strategic objects .... And you swung at space! Without solving the issue of protecting the airspace of the State, you can forget about space .... And, the main point, without an iron will, determination, such issues are practically unsolvable .... But with political will, determination, in Russia, somehow it didn’t work out, and it’s “dumb”, somehow, to “write against the wind” of European “changes”, since, for our current “ward boyars” and “duma clerks”, for the most part, the future is connected with “foreign countries” - there are accounts, houses and villas, wives - children, business, finally ..... Apparently this "stupidity", now, is preventing the state "machine" from quickly and effectively reorganizing itself on the "rails of war" .... And you mean you are trying to "dream" space sovereignty ... As long as mantras in the style of "Leopold the cat" are pouring from the depths of the Ministry of "expression of concerns" (the former Ministry of Foreign Affairs), your hopes, more and more, will be transformed into pipe dreams with all the ensuing consequences .... .
  18. 0
    11 December 2022 00: 18
    Many analysts note NATO's growing interest in Northern Europe. More precisely - to the entry of Sweden and Finland into the alliance. At the same time, most Western analysts deliberately forget that the issue of these countries joining the North Atlantic bloc has been on the agenda for quite some time.

    I believe that one of the reasons that the NWO is going so slowly is precisely that the issue of these countries joining NATO has finally fallen from the standstill, supported by a drop in the living standards of the population there.
    Well, on account of:
    NATO will expand until Russia stops 'expressing concern'
    - The author is probably not quite right. After all, NATO (USA and united Europe) do not know how to respect. The history of our relationship shows that they only know how to be afraid. But, the trouble is that they have ceased to be afraid of us, because we do not have the necessary unity. Not in the country, not in the state. And this is a problem that still needs to be fixed. It can be very drastic measures.
  19. -1
    11 December 2022 02: 25
    Oh, those neutral European states!
    "In 1951, CIA agent William Colby, based at the CIA station in Stockholm, supported the training of stay-behind armies in neutral Sweden and Finland and in the NATO members Norway and Denmark. In 1953, the police arrested Swedish Nazi Otto Hallberg and discovered the preparations for the Swedish stay-behind army. Hallberg was set free and charges against him were dropped."
    "In 1991, the Swedish media claimed that a secret stay-behind army had existed in neutral Finland with an exile base in Stockholm. Finnish Defense Minister Elisabeth Rehn called the revelations "a fairy tale", adding cautiously "or at least an incredible story , of which I know nothing." However, in his memoirs, former CIA director William Colby described the setting-up of stay-behind armies in the Nordic countries, including Finland, with or without the assistance of local governments, to prepare for a Soviet invasion."
  20. 0
    14 December 2022 12: 44
    soon NATO will stop expanding. in Europe, only Ukraine remained uncovered. they will accept it, and that's it, they will stop