The technology of creating Nazism. Ukrainian nation’s success as a sign of global depression

The technology of creating Nazism. Ukrainian nation’s success as a sign of global depressionIn my opinion, for the advancement of Nazi ideas into power, we need first and foremost the efforts of the government itself.

In general, it is not a secret to anyone: Ukrainian separatism was originally - from the middle of the XIX century, when it was mainly the Poles in the Austrian service who began to promote it - it relies on the works of obviously absurd Nazi legends. In essence, the whole concept of the Ukrainian people as something separate from the rest of the Russians is an initially absurd idea. To maintain it in the public consciousness, people are needed, to put it mildly, stupid and immoral. It is clear that such people accumulate in society not by chance, but by purposeful activity. When this activity leads to the accumulation of a certain critical mass, they naturally fall into public life.

But there are other necessary conditions. In more or less calm conditions, a significant part of citizens feel the danger of malignant Nazism and does not at all strive to bring to life the idea of ​​dividing people according to their origin (as well as other arbitrary characteristics). The success of Nazism also requires extremely disgusting economic conditions, which lead to the fact that people are forced to think only about the lasting survival and lose the ability to reflect on long-term problems.

Let me remind you: the first major surge in the activity of Nazi and other totalitarian currents in the whole world is generated by the First Great Depression. It was she who led to the fact that most of Europe was dominated by a variety of dictatorships, and most of these dictatorships were with this or that Nazi accent. I believe that the current second Great Depression will also give rise to many similar distortions in politics.

Ukraine is one of the most vulnerable links here, because all the same considerations of political separatism force its leadership to systematically refuse the simplest and most obvious way out of the economic collapse, namely, reunification (for a start - at least economic, and then natural way and political) with the rest of the Union. Obviously, the Ukrainian authorities cannot do this, because, as Comrade Ulyanov taught, “politics is the concentrated expression of the economy” - therefore, economic reunification will sooner or later entail political, which means Ukraine will simply lose all need for separatist authorities. Clearly, they do not want this - they, as I have often said, want to walk on foreign carpets for a longer time on the red carpet, even if they have to paint the paths with the blood of their own fellow citizens.

In my opinion, the fact that the Ukrainian government is now actually refusing to save its own economy for the sake of maintaining this self-destructive policy, just leads to the fact that people are able to break into power, able to substantiate this pathological activity with no less pathological arguments. So, in the success of the extremely Nazi Galician (albeit self-Ukrainian) party “Freedom”, which gathered every tenth vote in the elections 2012-10-28 and for the first time went to the Supreme Council, the role of Viktor Fedorovich Yanukovych is more important than the role of Oleg Yaroslavovich Tyagnybok.
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  1. Lavrik
    2 November 2012 07: 29
    The success of the far-right Nazi party "Freedom" suggests that the parties in power in recent decades have done little for the people. And he (or rather part of it) is practically ready to give a vote for a nationalist with no choice.
    1. +4
      2 November 2012 07: 47
      Quote: Lavrik

      The success of the far-right Nazi party "Freedom" suggests that the parties in power in recent decades have done little for the people.

      The result in this case is not surprising, the desire of both yours and ours makes itself felt. Ukraine does not have a clear policy, where it is moving is not clear. The West clearly defined the borders, but Janek did not understand and zealously bowed. It was necessary to fulfill the promises that he made at the elections. And not brains to compass.
      1. thorstein
        2 November 2012 09: 24
        This result could be predicted without straining, even in the last presidential election. In our country, we simply have such a tradition, promises not to fulfill and to move in an increasingly big ass. So if the past president was eager for the west and a pro-Western policy was being pursued, it would be foolish to expect this to change something. And among the people, due to the deterioration of the situation, they will want tough measures and decisions.
        1. +5
          2 November 2012 14: 41
          Quote: Thorstein
          ... And among the people, due to the deterioration of the situation, they will want tough measures and decisions.

          I would agree with you if Tyagnibok had some kind of economic program to bring the country out of the crisis, even if it was by harsh methods. But Tyagnibok has no economic proposals, he is an ordinary fascist, and his main leitmotif is a primitive hatred of the "Moskals", the Bandera-Petliura desire to kill simply for the Russian language.

          I personally consider his popularity to be the result of many years of Yushchenko’s policy. This is a consequence of the rehabilitation of Ukrainian traitors and Nazis (what else can you expect from a policeman’s son? !!), the glorification of separatists and the replacement of Ukrainian history with myths and lies, the ideological treatment of children and youth at the state level (kindergartens, schools and universities).
          Plus (in part) dissatisfaction with the "old" political elite and the desire to vote for someone else instead of these deputies' faces, who were bored to death, played a role.
      2. +6
        2 November 2012 10: 37
        In my opinion, the promotion of Nazi ideas in power requires, first of all, the long-term efforts of the power itself

        Amazingly capacious toasts, says a friend. Low bow. I enjoy watching it and reading it.
    2. +2
      2 November 2012 15: 13
      there western Ukraine is more nationalistic, and eastern is more about Russian, if not, correct)
      1. Tirpitz
        2 November 2012 16: 34
        There is Nazism in every country. Sa I voted for "Freedom".
        Reason: you need to do something. Ukraine 20 le stands still. Neither in the economy nor in social life there are no changes. Everyone who was already in power did not use their chance. Change, we wait for change... (I do not support all the views of this party, especially on the "pits").
        You can minus. hi
        1. +2
          3 November 2012 00: 27
          Quote: Tirpitz
          Change, we are waiting for change.

          Suicidal You are waiting for change, however!
          And you will forgive me, but this is, to put it mildly, a very stupid choice: to vote for the fascist party, whose views you do not support only in order to become "different" ...

          "Hut burned down - let the fence burn too?" Finish off the country so as not to suffer ...

          Quote: Tirpitz
          Nazism is in every country.

          Do not confuse Nazism and nationalism. If nationalism really exists in almost every country, then Nazism is not an ordinary phenomenon. Especially Nazism at the level of the parliamentary party, and not outcast marginals.

          PS By the way, in the very Europe where Ukraine is so drawn, fascist symbols and ideology, revanchism and laundering of Nazi criminals are prohibited. Tyagnibokov’s speeches, even under Ukrainian law, can be classified as fanning ethnic hatred - and I personally don’t understand why he is still in prison.
        2. +2
          3 November 2012 01: 09
          Quote: Tirpitz
          ... Sa I voted for "Freedom".
          Reason: you need to do something. Ukraine 20 le stands still. ....

          You voted in particular for this:

          Representative of Svoboda Irina Farion advocates the introduction of fines for the use of the Russian language Victory in the 116th district (Lviv region), the representative of the Freedom Union Irina Farion will initiate the introduction of fines for the use of the Russian language by Ukrainians: “I think if Ukrainians make a mistake when talking in Russian, then they need to be punished. And a fine is a form of punishment. ”
        3. +3
          3 November 2012 02: 18
          There is no need to be hypocritical and lie even to yourself. There is not a single argument in favor of the fact that the Nazis from "freedom" will change the vector of movement (I deliberately do not use the word "development", since only Nazism is developing in Ukraine, and nothing else.) Ukraine. Do you think they will steal less or take bribes? Do you think someone, besides all the same and new deputies, will get some kind of additive from the common table? Your thesis: "Nazism exists in every country. I myself voted for" Freedom "- I highly recommend you personally. And no explanations are interesting anymore.
          And the article by Wasserman (IMHO) is quite accurate and sensible.
  2. +4
    2 November 2012 07: 35
    The fact is obvious. Against the background of low social well-being, the easiest way is to cultivate all sorts of extravagant ideas (Nazism, the chosen nation, the search for someone to blame). At least that, just to divert the attention of the people from the true culprits of what is happening. And when the desperate people stopped believing in anything, the Nazi ideology came in handy, with the slogans of "unification, rallying" with the search for "enemies." Media and TV media contribute to this (sometimes covertly and where explicitly). For example, we are told from TV screens that the Americans are the most evil evil (excuse the tautology), that they are to blame for everything. I agree, the United States, yes, but where does their people? They are just the same from TV screens and in the media heap about us. And in one word it sounds like this - the search for the extreme. With an admixture of subservience to the Western powers - the more we shout and throw mud on our neighbors, the more we expose absurd demands and accuse of all mortal sins and distort and rewrite history - the more money you can get for this. The stake is placed on the younger generation, many of whom are not burdened with the desire to acquire knowledge, but want everything at once and that there would be nothing for it. They blindly believe in nonsense, because it's easier for them. Why think for themselves when they think for them. Immediately come to mind teenagers in Germany, marching with a swastika on their sleeves and frantically throwing up their hand and shouting Sieg ..... Why should they think for them the Fuehrer thinks, and he knows that, he will not wish bad. For them, it is somewhere a game, somewhere the realization of ambitions, somewhere simply because of nothing to do. Likewise in Islam, teenagers, instead of studying, are hammered into their heads with the ideas of extremism, hammering in that everyone who is not with them is against them. The same fanaticism in the eyes, the same desire to lay down his head for the glory of the "bright" ?? ideas and other crap.
    1. Kaa
      2 November 2012 09: 36
      Quote: Averias
      Against the background of low social well-being, it is easiest to cultivate all sorts of extravagant ideas (Nazism, the chosen nation, the search for the guilty).

      Absolutely right. But if you go back 8-10 years ago, the leader of these "Svobodovtsy" -nationalists was in the camp of the unsuccessful president Yushchenko and paid for a place in his political force for the careless statements "Get out ... and mo ..." Then the "politically correct Yushchenko" pushed him back. 10% of those who voted for his strength now are votes disillusioned with "tolerant" pro-Westernism, even representatives of Israel and Poland expressed concern about this. Voices have also "grown" on the extreme left flank - the communists I am not a fan of any current Ukrainian politicians, but Yanukovych is "in the center" of this palette, keeping centrifugal forces tearing Ukraine apart according to historically established vectors, there is no single "national idea" and, by definition, cannot exist. The only thing that comes to mind is right Does he do that artificially these tendencies follow. "West is West, East is East, and they will never converge" -R, Kipling.
  3. +7
    2 November 2012 08: 33
    "... they want to walk longer in foreign airports on red carpets, even if these paths have to be painted with the blood of their own fellow citizens."

    Well said! A very accurate definition of post-Soviet khans, presidents and others like them! Western-style democracy inevitably leads to such processes. Therefore, it is better than an empire that mankind has not invented anything. Only she can stop the ultras.
    1. +4
      2 November 2012 09: 10
      Greetings to a colleague!
      I would add. The empire is where the emperor is LAW!
  4. +9
    2 November 2012 09: 33
    Everything goes to federalization (at best) and a complete split in Ukraine. Well, people can’t get along - let’s disperse peacefully.
    1. +6
      2 November 2012 10: 20
      Quote: Egoza
      Well, people can’t get along - let’s disperse peacefully.

      Yes, the Galicians do not want to peacefully. Give it to all of Ukraine, but without the inhabitants of most eastern regions. It will be difficult, because the authorities secretly support them.
  5. Goga
    2 November 2012 10: 05
    Nazism in any performance, whether in German, in Jewish, Ukrainian or Russian, is an abomination, this is a road to a dead end. It is well known how this ends for the peoples who have followed this path, especially since in the case of Ukraine this Nazism was very much inspired from outside, and therefore cannot meet the true interests of the Ukrainian people. We can only regret the political blindness and historical illiteracy of those people who vote for "Nazis".
    The full "+" article, as always, I first put my plus on A. Wasserman, and then I read it carefully - and I have never made a mistake ... wink
  6. +8
    2 November 2012 10: 20
    As usual, the "Jews" and "moskali" remain extreme, they drank all the water, ate all the bacon.
    Onotole, a prominent anti-fascist. +
  7. +1
    2 November 2012 10: 36
    Clever Wasserman.
    True, his clever thoughts are widely known and there is no revelation in the article.
    It's a pity,. that we allow us to command those "separatist" authorities in which "Ukraine will simply lose all need" if it chooses the normal path of development.
  8. 0
    2 November 2012 10: 56
    Yes, Yanukovych has such a balance, there is a horror story-nationalists, and in negotiations with Russia on the CU he will say: what can I do? look at our parliament, we are not allowed to adopt the necessary bills, etc., etc.
  9. +1
    2 November 2012 11: 26
    to advance Nazi ideas into power, first of all, the long-term efforts of the authorities themselves are needed

    Pretty boy! A person is not only "pumped up" encyclopedically, but simply wise. The above phrase applies not only to Ukraine ...
  10. 0
    2 November 2012 12: 03
    Quote: Gogh
    Nazism in any performance, in German, in Jewish, Ukrainian or Russian - an abomination, this is a way to a dead end

    About "Russian Nazism" in more detail please - where, when and how did it manifest itself? belay
  11. +2
    2 November 2012 13: 08
    Wasserman is a great clever girl, he sees a lot and burns about a lot, but he is silent about something while talking about the critical mass. The coming to power of the Ukrainian nationalists suggests that the Ukrainian people are on the verge of a split, both ideological and territorial. The new Verkhovna Rada will strengthen centripetal tendencies on the principle of the South-East and North-West regions. The instability in the parliament and the inability to make the decisions necessary for the country at the level of state power will force the regions to distance themselves from the center and begin to pursue their own policies based on internal referenda. The bow between the regions will follow the principle of historical community and belonging to one or another civilizational component, eastern (Orthodox) or western (Catholic), which will inevitably end with the creation of semi-legal (clearly separatist) governing structures that will tear Ukraine apart and as always has been in history , the Ukrainian people will have to decide with whom they will continue to live. Unfortunately, never in a historical retrospect has Ukrainian statehood been viable and responsible, both to its people and to the international community. In my opinion, such a collapse will occur in the next five years. IMHO.
  12. Bandera
    2 November 2012 13: 11
    Nationalists took more than 5% of the passage in 18 out of 27 regions of Ukraine.
    Communists in 24 from 27 regions of Ukraine.
    Bottom line - every fourth Ukrainian is waiting for a radical change.

    Since the communists are more acceptable to Russia, its political scientists like Wasserman do not fight in hysteria from this.
    All the intrigues of the ruling party before the elections on the status of the Russian language, the deliberate understatement of the Svoboda's ratings, open corruption brought nationalists to the country's parliament.

    Push. I hope that Svoboda will cool its rhetoric towards Russia. That Tyagnibok has enough intelligence and foresight not to mess with Russia like Yushchenko. If he really wants to become a politician who is respected by Ukrainian citizens, he needs to rein in his fellow party members like Farion.
    At least 10% of Ukrainians and the country needs a devil with a pitchfork, which will vigilantly keep snickering oligarchs. We already had a "Messiah", the consequences are known.

    And to the forum users from the Russian Federation: "The devil is not so terrible as he is painted".
    1. biglow
      2 November 2012 16: 56
      the truck will only cool when the migrant workers from Galicia start firing and they have to go home. Then they will cool it themselves. That year after May 9, a dozen of them were fired so they asked to take them to work on their knees. Usually, in Lviv, veterans were also forced to go to the rally to beat.
    2. 0
      2 November 2012 20: 23
      Quote: Bandera
      That Tyagniboku has enough intelligence and foresight not to get fucked up with Russia, like Yushchenko.

      And you are an optimist! Do you think that the difference between an accountant and a urologist will be significant?
  13. WW3
    2 November 2012 13: 19
    Freedom came under the slogan "Ukraine for Ukrainians" - Russophobic party

    down with the BSF from Ukraine
    1. Bandera
      2 November 2012 13: 26
      "They are greeted by their clothes, they are escorted by their minds."
      Let's see how they behave in parliament.
      1. WW3
        2 November 2012 13: 51
        Quote: Bandera
        Let's see how they behave in parliament.

        They will behave in parliament like football ultras in a stadium when their team is losing bully
      2. +5
        3 November 2012 02: 25
        Are there any doubts or any new expectations regarding "freedom"? And you are a great romantic. I envy.
    2. WW3
      2 November 2012 13: 27
      "Down with Russian imperialism" or next to it on the freedom poster the pearl "Ukraine belongs to the Ukrainians"
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      "down with the Moscow invaders"

    3. tambu
      2 November 2012 16: 52
      it’s not Russophobes ... it’s the Nazis .... the most ordinary and ruthless Nazis who were not shot .... but I hope this is a fixable thing ....
      1. Kaa
        2 November 2012 20: 28
        Quote: tambu
        .but this hopeful business ....

        "Distribute cartridges, Lieutenant Golitsyn ..."
  14. tambu
    2 November 2012 16: 55
    I would express myself about this situation with a quote from the book of one very talented screenwriter V. Kunin: "Now he is a complete fuck ..." (c)
  15. MG42
    2 November 2012 18: 00
    In the East of Ukraine, practically no one voted for these Natsiks. Smerek (tree spruce Rus.) Wuyki descended ( vuykami they call in Ukraine residents of Western Ukraine, deaf villages that speak neither Ukrainian nor Russian but don’t understand what language) from Galicia.
  16. Skorobogatov_P
    2 November 2012 18: 43
    But Tyagnibok could not have had any economic program - the main thing for him is to de-Russify Ukraine. The 10 percent he "scored" is just Yanukovych's original move against Timoshenchikha. And they gave him the interest. The main motivation for those who voted for him was: "Freedom will come - it will bring order." The people simply have forgotten or do not yet know what methods the Germans used to direct the Noise Ordnung in their time, and the dads and dads of all these tyagniboks helped them with zeal. Tyagnibok's already possessed girlfriend happily reported on camera that they had come to parliament to radicalize it, to radicalize all of Ukrainian life.
  17. +3
    2 November 2012 19: 56
    By the way Tyagnibok is a proctologist by education, for those who do not know, this is a doctor who treats hemorrhoids. He graduated from the institute, but there was no residency, there was not enough patience, or they were kicked out for absenteeism, the collapse of the USSR had just begun and he spent all the time at nationalist rallies. Officially Tyagnibok does not work anywhere, but drives around in a steep jeep and dines in restaurants. Currently, he lives with his family in Kiev or in a rented or purchased apartment, which is not cheap. As we can see, neither he nor his organization needs funds, according to rumors, the election campaign of his social-nationalist party (later renamed "freedom", so as not to scare away voters) was financed by the Ukrainian oligarch Firtash, a Jew by nationality. About a year and a half before the election campaign, Tyagnibok and his people began to appear on television almost day in and day out, especially on the nationalist Ukrainian channels ISTV, Channel 5, owned by the oligarch Poroshenko, also a Jew by nationality, Channel 24 and especially Shuster-life, provocative anti-Russian program, the host of which Shuster, a Jew by nationality, a native of Canada, and an Italian citizen. Characteristically, this program comes out on 1 Ukrainian program, which is considered the official state. We made long-term advertising throughout Ukraine. Draw your own conclusions. By the way, on the Ukrainian TV channel "Inter", which is owned by the aforementioned oligarch Firtash, another anti-Russian program "Big Politics" is released, the host Kiselev, who was expelled from Russia, whose guests are also often nationalists, as well! , Russian "oppositionists" Nemtsov, Navalny, Udaltsov. By the way, both "Shuster-Life" and "Big Politics" are coming out today, you can see. Shuster-life at 21.30, and Big Politics at about 23.00 Ukrainian time.
  18. rocketman
    2 November 2012 22: 31
    In the last parliamentary elections, if my memory serves me, Svobodovtsy gained 2.7% with a passing threshold of 3%, and the communists - 5%. in these elections the passing threshold was 5%, the column "against all" was removed (which is 6% in the last elections). And people on the right, disillusioned with the "united apazization" and the Orangemen, voted for freedom - like my deputy, for example, and people who voted for "Rygianals", like me, for example, for the communists. That's all, although we both drink beer together and we know perfectly well that both are full of r.i.d.u.r.k. and dancing to the tune of Yanukovych.
  19. The cat
    2 November 2012 22: 48
    Quote: MG42
    In the East of Ukraine, practically no one voted for these Natsiks

    Don't la-la. Look at the statistics, even in Crimea and Donbass, Svoboda gained 1% each, and that says something, but you don't hear it.
    1. MG42
      2 November 2012 23: 00
      You probably do not know Russian well. I wrote PRACTICALLY nobody voted! This is yours one percent!
      There is rabble everywhere. I agree with Kaa, as they say, hand out the cartridges! Or are you offended about "vuyki with smerek". This is what our deputies say in the Rada.
      1. The cat
        2 November 2012 23: 12
        In the Donetsk region, 23557 people voted for VO "Svoboda", is this practically no one in your opinion, rabble?
        Quote: MG42
        Or are you offended about "vuyki with smerek".

        Did you want to offend someone?
        1. MG42
          2 November 2012 23: 17
          23557 people fellow - how much. The population of Donetsk region is about 4,5 million people. Not.
          1. The cat
            2 November 2012 23: 31
            MG42, I understand your sarcasm, but I think you understand that such a result for Svoboda in the Donetsk region is a breakthrough.
            1. MG42
              3 November 2012 15: 03
              I do not think that in the Donetsk region they supported the Svobodovites for ideological reasons, most likely it is a protest electorate who is not satisfied with Yanukovych’s policies. Yanukovych apparently promised a lot to the people before the election.
    2. Galina
      3 November 2012 03: 36
      The catUnfortunately you are right. Rejoice.
      On the contrary, I am very sorry that there were people in Crimea, Donbass, Odessa who voted for "freedom". They are either stupid, or come from the western regions, which are now teeming with eastern and southern Ukraine.
    3. biglow
      3 November 2012 15: 29
      The cat,
      in the east and in the Crimea, migrant workers from Galicia voted for the tynebok. Although I could vote for him too and the Natsiks, the sooner they ruin the country, the better the people will become. Let Europe better understand the Galicians and Russia will leave what belongs to it rightfully
  20. Prosto vovochka
    3 November 2012 00: 36
    You. Russians, it's good to discuss here, the main thing is safe. And we in Ukraine live with "tyagniboks", whose leader, in his very first interview, having learned the result of the vote, announced plans for the near future - "to cut the komunyak and mosque". And believe me, this was not a reservation!
  21. The cat
    3 November 2012 00: 55
    Prosto VovochkaWell, why lie so frankly? Can you provide a proof? Before that, let me consider you a balabol and a hollow bream.

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