Russian politician Klintsevich gave a forecast for the degradation of the army and industry of Ukraine

By February 2023, the armed forces of Ukraine will be in a state of complete degradation, which will allow the Russian army to launch a large-scale offensive. This was stated by a former member of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and chairman of the Union of Veterans of Afghanistan Franz Klintsevich, speaking on the air of Radio 1.

Signs of degradation of the Ukrainian army have already begun to appear. Klintsevich believes that by January 2023, the Ukrainian army, industry and energy infrastructure will face 80% degradation. How exactly such prospects were calculated was not said.

This will last until February - in February there will be very serious successes and advancement of the Russian Armed Forces

- said head of the Afghan Veterans Union.

Klintsevich noted that General Sergei Surovikin, commander of the army of the United Group of Forces, chose an effective and correct tactic. Russian troops took up a strategically correct position, engaged in the preparation of reserves and the creation of a mobile defense system. Time works for Russia, the politician believes, but it is necessary to improve logistics.

Certain difficulties are associated with the fact that, as Klintsevich emphasizes, the Russian army today is fighting not only with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also with the NATO bloc, so stopping any arms supplies from the West to Ukraine becomes an important goal. It is these deliveries that allow the APU to hold on for so long.

True, the degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is far from being the first Russian politician on the air of large (and not so) mass media. However, all these forecasts and statements can be made as much as you like, but the fact is that for now the enemy troops as a whole are holding the front and, in addition, are making offensive attempts - for example, in the Svatov direction.

Comments

[Alien From]

He would have to sit in the wet trenches himself, damn forecaster!

[Andrey Moskvin]

He does not have the role to sit in the trenches. Make forecasts, regardless of their implementation ... Kedmi also destroyed Ukrainian aviation at the end of February.

[Black_Vatnik]

Kedmi is a very intelligent man. Simply, I think, he argues from the standpoint of Russia's capabilities, and not the desire of the oligarchic government. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation could do a lot since February. Here, as in Gaidai, "I have the opportunity, but I have no desire."

[Sergey Drozdov]

What kind of a man is he? - Comrade Kedmi is a representative of the Israeli special services and the goals of his long-term business trip on the territory of the Russian Federation, for me personally, are still not clear ...

[Black_Vatnik]

A representative of Israeli special services cannot be a man? Or is he not a man because some goals are not clear to you? The questions are rhetorical.
He doesn't have to say what you want to hear. From what I remember, he is one of the few who condemned the policy of the Russian Federation to rot the Soviet heritage and history, in particular Stalin. This does him credit.

[Evil 55]

Yeah .. In snot, with fever, hemorrhoids, ulcers, gastritis and "trench foot".

[Godzila]

This will last until February - in February there will be very serious successes and advancement of the Russian Armed Forces

Still, I think that by December everything will be decided and even without progress .. The world is already tired of hoohls and especially of their leader in Kyiv with a big nose .. Shed a lot of blood, a lot!

[tihonmarine]

Quote from godzila

.The world is already tired of the Ukrainians, and especially of their leader in Kyiv, the big-nosed one.

It depends on what you mean by the word "peace"? The people may be tired, but politicians, owners of large firms, banks and everyone connected with the war, they are not tired, but on the contrary, they are glad and got rich.

[Alien From]

Great view the world is not tired of the pandemic, but tired of the Ukrainians .... the difference in the whole world)

[Appraiser]

Everything will be decided by December. "Humorist" in such situations, it is generally difficult to make predictions ....

[VSO-396]

Quote from godzila

This will last until February - in February there will be very serious successes and advancement of the Russian Armed Forces

Still, I think that by December everything will be decided and even without progress .. The world is already tired of hoohls and especially of their leader in Kyiv with a big nose .. Shed a lot of blood, a lot!

Godzilla, look at the calendar, it's already December! Or do you mean next year?

[28st region]

I don’t know how it was in the wet trenches, but in Afghanistan, Klintsevich trumpeted for two years. Two Orders of the Red Star, the Afghan Order of the Star, more medals for BZ. Honored Soviet officer. And so, just in case, he has 65 years of which he served in the Army for 22 years.
How old are you? How long did you serve in the Army? Why aren't you in the wet trenches?

[Andrey Moskvin]

I do not in the least detract from Klintsevich's merits to the Motherland, but I can have my own opinion. And I’m not in the wet trenches because my eyesight is -16, and in the year 15 I was turned into the military registration and enlistment office. Where, they say, you ... Where will you change contact lenses there ... And I'm 47.

[28st region]

Even I did not understand, I turned to a certain Alien From and not to you. Or is it two in one?

[Beetle1991]

Expert Klintsevich, a real expert. I remember about 8 years ago I watched a live parade in China on TV, some woman and Klintsevich commented on this parade.
The HQ-9 air defense system passes by, it was written on it, and our Franz Klintsevich declares: these are our S-300s.
An infantry fighting vehicle / amphibian for the PLA Marine Corps arrives, in blue-gray coloring. When asked by a woman what kind of coloring this is, our Franz Klintsevich says: this is COURT PASKRASKA. That is, not marine camouflage for the Marines to blend into the sea, but painted for the parade.

And the whole parade he carried similar game. I didn't laugh, it wasn't funny. Just blatant incompetence.
At that time, he served as head of the Defense Committee in the Duma.
Then they "left" him, they say that due to the fact that he spoke a lot, often his speeches were opposite to the positions of the Ministry of Defense.

Whether it is worth listening to his words, decide for yourself.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

So he sat in the trenches at one time. The Afghan passed ... This is not a couch politician, but a combat officer of the SA.

[Evil 55]

As they say, "Fresh food, yes, with .... with difficulty" ... So many fairy tales have already been written about the degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NATO, the USA, Geiroba, that it's time to draw up an "Encyclopedia of Modern Military Tales".

[Godzila]

Quote: Angry 55

So many fairy tales have already been written about the degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NATO, the USA, Geiroba that it is time to draw up an "Encyclopedia of Modern Military Tales" already.

Well, it’s far from degradation, but work is being done in this direction
And Russia is at the forefront and more and more countries are joining us in our struggle .. Yes, it’s pavo, but there is already something like that in world politics. God is with us and the truth!

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Angry 55

As they say, "Fresh food, yes, with .... with difficulty" ... So many fairy tales have already been written about the degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NATO, the USA, Geiroba, that it's time to draw up an "Encyclopedia of Modern Military Tales".

Technically, in principle, the task of destroying the economy of Ukraine is completely solvable. To do this, you just need to continuously continue to destroy the infrastructure. Without long breaks (for a long time there were no missile strikes, we missed the good news). First, energy - thermal power plants, substations, then transport infrastructure - traction substations, depots, railway junctions, bridges. Then oil storages and oil refining, then communication centers.
With the destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is somewhat more difficult. But, without the economy, logistics and logistics, there is no army

[K._2]

I've already posted something similar in another thread, but I'll repeat it anyway.

One day of massive strikes on all decision-making centers would sober up the drug addict and his patrons (although I doubt these, but it would be unpleasant), you can destroy buildings: the Verkhovna Rada, banking, the central buildings of the Security Service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Defense, the Foreign Ministry, and other ministries , in large cities buildings: oga, regional security services and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, recruiting offices. That's when they burn and the red line will be clear, oh, my words would be yes to Surovikin's ears.

Why don't we do this, humanity or lack of missiles? Who should be awarded an order for this in the Kremlin? Rostec or people in charge of foreign policy?

[Pantsuy]

Quote: K._2

buildings can be destroyed: the Supreme Rada, banking, the central buildings of the SBU, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, other ministries, in large cities the buildings: oga, regional SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, recruiting centers.

And if all this is still covered in one day at once, and even on a working day, so that all evil spirits gather there, then mourning throughout Ukraine and Europe will last at least a week.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Angry 55

So many fairy tales have already been written about the degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NATO, the USA, Geiroba

Well, few people wrote about the degradation of NATO and especially the degradation of the United States, but the United States does not degrade, but receives enormous profits from the war in Ukraine. Yes, and from any wars since the beginning of the 20th century, the United States has always had the biggest profit from wars, even more than from the "gold rush", and Europe does not eat up the last piece of bread (not the Europe that is merchandised in hypermarkets).

[tralflot1832]

I respect Klintsevich for his military past, now I don’t treat him like that, I would have been less on TV earlier. By the way, I don’t watch the box, how is it with Zatulin?

[dmi.pris1]

Lord, what is the analytics! Because of such analytical Egs, blown into the ears of the Chief, that there we will be "greeted with flowers" so many of our guys died ... In order for everything to "degrade" it is necessary to destroy the USA and Europe together

[Bodipancher]

I was in Ukraine three years ago, I was struck by the very few children and young people there. The idea of ​​exhausting the human resource of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to make up for losses makes sense.

[Dmitry Rigov]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have more and more advanced weapons, this is the problem. If the same escalibers begin to supply en masse and get rid of shell hunger, then ours will definitely not be good, the war now is not so much the number of soldiers as their equipment. In addition, the ratio of the wounded to the two hundred is very large, many are cured in Europe after being wounded and they return to duty again, at the rate the conflict is now, the conflict will last for many more years.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Dmitry Rigov

In addition, the ratio of the wounded to the two hundred is very large, many are cured in Europe after being wounded and they return to duty again, at the rate the conflict is now, it will last for many more years.

In my opinion, it's the other way around! More precision weapons lead to an increase in the number of dead and a decrease in the number of wounded. I think now the ratio is not three to one, as in the Second World War, but less. Can't get the ratio!

In turn, high-precision weapons should also lead to a change in the very structure of the wounded - the proportion of disabled people should increase.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Bodypuncher

I was in Ukraine three years ago, I was struck by the very few children and young people there. The idea of ​​exhausting the human resource of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to make up for losses makes sense.

In Belarus, the same thing - a sharp difference from the same Chelyabinsk region!

[aporierti]

Time is clearly not working for Russia. The longer the conflict, the more it affects the economy and the more society begins to boil. It is to this variant that the NATO bloc is leading Russia. A similar thing happened at the end of the 1st World War, when Russia, bogged down in the war, caused the first overthrow of tsarist power, and then the revolution. Only in the current case, the reality is that for Russia, losing this war will mean the most catastrophic consequences for many decades to come ...

[Bodipancher]

Analogies with World War I are absolutely inappropriate, then Russia mobilized almost the entire male population of several million people, undermining the economy. Now only 1 thousand people are a drop in the ocean, we have mobilized less than in Ukraine

[evgen1221]

What kind of seething and where are we talking about? If it’s definitely not so in the provinces, if in cities, then maybe in Moscow it’s seething in some but definitely not all and not in Russia.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: evgen1221

What kind of seething and where are we talking about? If it’s not like that in the province,

There is, of course, no bubbling. However, the evil grumbling is already heard.)))

[Andy_nsk]

What kind of seething and where are we talking about? If it’s definitely not so in the provinces, if in cities, then maybe in Moscow it’s seething in some but definitely not all and not in Russia.

Only now all revolutions and coups are made in the capitals, and then the provinces will be put before the fact.

[evgen1221]

True, but a handful of seething people need the support of their seething waters in the masses, if not better, in the armed and influential masses, but is it really there?

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote from aporierti

Time is clearly not working for Russia.

And certainly not to Ukraine.

Quote from aporierti

Only in the current case, the reality is that for Russia, losing this war will mean the most catastrophic consequences for many decades to come ...

So you have to be careful not to lose. Perhaps we should once again explain to the Chinese comrades what they can expect. But most importantly, we must ourselves begin to work for victory. And I still see the patching of holes.

[mikh-korsakov]

The price of this forecast is a penny. Do you want proof? Please. The dates for the transition of Russian troops to a decisive offensive have been constantly shifting since the summer. Summer - autumn. September to early November. November to early December. Now for February. And the APU is holding on and holding on, and there is no end in sight. And the goals of our NWO are like a mirage.

[Ulan.1812]

My attitude to Klintsevich is ambiguous.
Sometimes it carries ... but always approves. You will not hear critical remarks from him, unlike the same Gurulev.
Inarticulate, hard to listen to.
And he attached his son to military experts.
So what he says must be treated with a great deal of skepticism. But that's just my opinion.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

For some reason, Ukraine is degrading, but we are leveling the front line during the retreat - alas, we

[Konnick]

By February 2023, the armed forces of Ukraine will be in a state of complete degradation, which will allow the Russian army to launch a large-scale offensive. This was stated by a former member of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and chairman of the Union of Veterans of Afghanistan Franz Klintsevich, speaking on the air of Radio 1.

Forecasts are a thankless task ... what if a missile defense system for Ukraine will be created by February.

[Battle Toads]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

The price of this forecast is a penny. Do you want proof? Please. The dates for the transition of Russian troops to a decisive offensive have been constantly shifting since the summer. Summer - autumn. September to early November. November to early December. Now for February. And the APU is holding on and holding on, and there is no end in sight. And the goals of our NWO are like a mirage.

The main goal and most important task of the NWO is the reunification of the Slavic peoples. This goal is the main but undeclared. As a result of the NWO, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine will become one state.

[vadim_ivanov]

I would look at my army carefully! Former appointee Pu did a good job that there was no one to fight

[Battle Toads]

Klintsevich is a smart man. His analytics is always close to reality and understandable. respect

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Announcement in the newspaper: "A psychotherapist, he is a Russian politician, will diagnose your neighbor. With a simultaneous forecast for two or more - a 10% discount for each next one. A 100% guarantee that you will like the diagnosis. If it is also confirmed, then you you will be required to pay an additional 50%. If not, then you can forget about it."

[Fangaro]

This will last until February - in February there will be very serious successes and advancement of the Russian Armed Forces

Klintsevich has no faith.
Talked a lot before.
He campaigned a lot. Of what was said most of all about "right now, how to hit ... And everyone else"
I do not believe.

[Carlos Hall]

The analysis is very good and accurate. Flawless analysis.

[Sid2014]

As we were told, the Ukrainian army has been drinking and morally decomposing on the line of contact since 2015. And the dots are old and do not fly. And what do we see. Quite the opposite. The Russian army of contract workers, so trained and equipped, turned out to be not READY for war! Only receive salaries and apartments, but cut the budget (generals)! This does not apply to Donetsk and Lugansk fighters. Everyone is fighting! They just have nothing to lose!

[aporierti]

Quote: Bodypuncher

Analogies with World War I are absolutely inappropriate, then Russia mobilized almost the entire male population of several million people, undermining the economy. Now only 1 thousand people are a drop in the ocean, we have mobilized less than in Ukraine

Here the factor is not the number, but the complete economic decline. People are accustomed to fat years, cars for normal money, affordable vacations abroad, imported goods, and so on. What will happen to the export of oil and gas, which replenishes the Russian budget, is the biggest question ... Now there is still no seething, but cheers-patriots are no longer audible at all, I don’t even see cars with Z symbols in Moscow for a long time. But you can see how general irritation is growing , albeit still silent, by dragging the war into the quagmire of the swamp. All this can be extinguished by internal victories, for example, scientific achievements, or our world achievements, as the Soviet space once demonstrated. But this is even more fantastic for us than believing in a fleeting blitzkrieg in Ukraine.

[Arkady007]

And before February, what will the mobilizants do? Or wait for the second wave of conscription and prepare it for February?

[Hindu]

Klintsevich is the head! I wouldn't put my finger in his mouth. No. ©

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Hindu

Klintsevich is the head! I wouldn't put my finger in his mouth. No. ©

Yeah and Brian head. Do you remember the golden calf?

[iouris]

I, and other scientists, give more predictions.

[Planem]

But Klintsevich didn't say anything about how to speed up their degradation? For example, if the most important objects of the transport infrastructure of the territory controlled by the Kyiv regime are destroyed, primarily by air strikes. Well, or why not encircle large groupings of Ukrainian troops with strikes bypassing their main fortified points, and not storm their fortified positions in cities head-on, as is still mostly done? If everything continues as it has been until now, then "the army and industry of Ukraine" and by March 2023. may not degrade, let alone by February.

[iouris]

It cannot degrade what is long gone. "Regime" is the appearance of the state. In fact, neither the economy nor the Armed Forces of Ukraine are needed anymore, and the fighting will continue until the financial flows from the United States and other NATO members degrade.
But Klintsevich will not predict when oil and gasoline (solar) flows will degrade? By the way, do you, lovers of this interesting, know where they come from?

[Illanatol]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

The dates for the transition of Russian troops to a decisive offensive have been constantly shifting since the summer. Summer - autumn. September to early November. November to early December. Now for February. And the APU is holding on and holding on, and there is no end in sight. And the goals of our NWO are like a mirage.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are holding on, but at first they were holding on quite independently, and now - solely thanks to the support of Western partners. When the West considers that enough is enough, the kirdyk will be full.
Time works for the Russian Federation, definitely. And it is right that the command refrains from active and hasty actions. A war of attrition is the best option in terms of minimizing your own losses.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

It should not be forgotten that there are differences between Afghan and Afghan. Still, there is a very big difference between "Vanka-platoon" and the senior instructor of the political department for special propaganda.
Especially if these instructors quickly change their political views to suit the current moment.
Yesterday in the CPSU, today the United Russia, what tomorrow? Although what is there, after all, it took very little time, from agitation for Soviet power to move on to the execution of the Supreme Council.
I'm not talking about how many smart officers such Klintsevichs have broken their careers for political reasons. Moreover, they themselves turned out to be rotten.

[ZnaxarJorge]

When Comrade Klintsevich predicts the return of the Russian city of Kherson?

[Svale]

What is the point of the article? I understand people (hopefully literate) give their assessments and make predictions. But why write an article to retell someone else's article?? Can we (readers) read Klintsevich's forecast ourselves and draw conclusions?

[Chernorechye]

Klintsevich is still that Nastradamus. The blizzard of revenge is not tossing bags. And about the NATO bloc, this is generally a masterpiece. If we were at war with the NATO bloc (excluding nuclear weapons), we would have come thirteen a long time ago. The only thing holding back NATO is nuclear weapons and nothing more. Technically, we are far behind them, and we see this in the NWO. Even a small fraction of Western weapons forced Russia to leave the previously liberated areas and sit on the defensive without thinking about a big offensive. For 20 years, the army was being destroyed, one Serdyukov should receive the hero of Ukraine for dozens of disbanded schools and hundreds of thousands of dismissed officers.

[Oleg Ogorod]

Well, let's just say, with schools, but would there be enough people to study in them? Or vice versa. For example, flight schools. We have so many planes now? To produce pilots in large numbers?
Moreover, more often cars die, not pilots.
The Russian army in terms of quantity is not at all the same as it was in the USSR. Then the country was much larger, there were more human resources, primarily due to Ukraine. But then the entire economy of the country worked for the army. Both industry and agriculture. Not producing goods for the population, so to speak consumer goods. And there were no oligarchs then, no one plundered funds on a huge scale.
Only now the country and the economy then overstrained.
Indeed, as in the distant 1917.
Something similar is happening now.
The West is not in a hurry. He is ready to fight to the last Ukrainian. Until the last Pole. Until the last Romanian. Until the last Bulgarian.
The fewer people in Europe, the better the US. The more destroyed in Europe, the better the United States. Russia is participating in a large organized process. This is not a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. This is a big multiplayer.
Global shifts are taking place in the global world. Americans need to do something about industrial giant China and emerging India. Which have become too independent with a large human resource. The Americans will continue to want to fight China to the last Russian or Hindu.
At this time, the US will get rich.
They have achieved that they sell their gas in Europe at a high price. They put Europe on their gas needle. They intimidated Europe with Evil Putin.
But back from politics to the army.
The industry of Russia is not ready to make weapons in large quantities, as it used to be in the USSR. Many enterprises no longer exist, many have already remained outside of Russia. And even more so to make modern weapons. Only ceremonial and exhibition images. Well, at least they managed to restore the production of iskanders and calibers. Yes air defense. But it's pretty damn expensive. Shoot at MLRS missiles from our air defense systems. It's one thing to shoot down a plane, it's another thing to shoot down a tornado rocket or an alder.
A cheap but effective solution, like crap, was given to us by the Iranians. Why was it not developed earlier in Russia and not produced in large quantities? Why do we need the 46th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense? Why do we need a large number of generals - doctors of science? SVO showed the complete worthlessness of this structure.
In principle, the whole society is sick of nepotism and corruption. To varying degrees. Can it be cured?

[cat hippopotamus]

Yes, here perhaps it is time to give not forecasts, but the conclusion of a pathologist. Already Ukraine vmerla.

[dementor873]

Degradation is more likely to occur in the qualitative composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prepared mobiles abroad will not replace professionals from February 24th. Only if they begin to massively introduce mercenaries as a means of control and intimidation.

[Hindu]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Quote: Hindu

Klintsevich is the head! I wouldn't put my finger in his mouth. No. ©

Yeah and Brian head. Do you remember the golden calf?

And what else to remember in the theater of the absurd?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

I'm already sick of this balabol ... the text of your comment, and so on and so forth

[Father of papa carlo]

It's time to end this clowning!!! All rear-wheel drive heading for the West, she is Geyropa! ))!!!

[buslaif]

Klintsevich noted that General Sergei Surovikin, commander of the army of the United Group of Forces, chose an effective and correct tactic. Russian troops took up a strategically correct position, engaged in the preparation of reserves and the creation of a mobile defense system. Time works for Russia, the politician believes, but it is necessary to improve logistics.
Klintsevich and those like him cannot predict the actions of our military-political leadership, and even more so influence the course of hostilities, because, judging by the course and results of the NMD, today everything depends on the decisions made by the so-called. "decision-making center", which is located outside our country. This is confirmed by illogical and often absurd decisions, the discussion of which has already become sore. As for Kedmi, he is most likely also a representative of these very forces of influence, therefore, his role and importance should be assessed by results, and not by what he says.