While the Armed Forces of Ukraine were attacking Donetsk with NATO MLRS, the EU was making a decision on the “ceiling” of prices for Russian oil

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While the Armed Forces of Ukraine were attacking Donetsk with NATO MLRS, the EU was making a decision on the “ceiling” of prices for Russian oil

While NATO rocket artillery as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was striking at the center of Donetsk, while people were dying on the streets of this long-suffering city, European officials continued to discuss how to punish Russia in the energy sector. To condemn Kyiv for the murders of civilians from Donetsk? Of course not... Discuss the price ceiling for Russian oil? Of course, yes... This is the whole collective West.

It became known that European officials agreed on what price limit they should set for Russian "black gold". We agreed that the maximum price for oil from Russia would be $60 per barrel.



Thus, the opinion of Poland and the Baltic countries, which promoted the price of 20-30 dollars, was not taken into account. Polish representatives stated that Russia already receives revenues for oil at a price below $60 for oil of “its own brand”, and therefore the price ceiling should be at least half as much. But in the end, the EU nevertheless decided to introduce a bar at the level of $60.

What does it say? This suggests that European officials fear that if the price of Russian oil were significantly lower than the current market price, then Moscow would block the supply of raw materials to those countries that supported such a decision. Accordingly, this could lead to a jump in prices on the world market. Now, with the introduction of the "ceiling" of 60 dollars, in general, neither for Russia nor for Europe (at current oil prices) nothing changes.

This decision was criticized in Kyiv, calling it "formal" and even "cowardly." They offered Europe to buy oil from Russia for no more than 10 dollars, not particularly thinking about the fact that Russia simply would not sell hydrocarbons at such a price.
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  1. +23
    2 December 2022 20: 23
    I hope these idiots will close the tap ... let them buy at exorbitant prices through other countries
    1. +29
      2 December 2022 20: 25
      . While the Armed Forces of Ukraine were attacking Donetsk with NATO MLRS, the EU was making a decision on the “ceiling” of prices for Russian oil


      What is the meaning of the article? To complain about the EU? So they are enemies. So everything is to be expected. Or did someone expect something else? And so that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not hit Donetsk, they must be moved away from it, or at least these MLRS should be covered before they try to hit Donetsk or some other settlement.
      1. +1
        2 December 2022 21: 53
        What are the "enemies"? We have been blown into our ears for so many years that in the west - - respected "partners". Yes And the established "price ceiling"... Well, at about this price, Russia sells its oil. The budget is made up from the price of 44,2 dollars per barrel.
        1. +10
          2 December 2022 22: 39
          I hope that the countries that signed the price ceiling for oil from the Russian Federation will stop receiving it, as our government announced.
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          2. +5
            3 December 2022 03: 16
            Something vague doubts torment me about this .... We’ll swallow it again ..... Although politics is such a muddy business ... Everyone watched with bated breath what China would do after any visits to Taiwan ... so what? Nothing, for now anyway.
            1. +1
              3 December 2022 05: 41
              "Everyone watched with bated breath what China would do after any visits to Taiwan ... and what? But nothing, for now anyway."
              China sits on the bank of the river, and waits. well, he can
      2. +11
        2 December 2022 22: 15
        The meaning of the article is that "while the Armed Forces of Ukraine were beating Donetsk", at the reception centers of the Kyiv Nazis, primarily at the rat house on Bankova, and the inhabitants of these centers, from Russia, "once again", nothing "arrived" ...

        This, in any case, for those who consider the nature of the conduct of the SVO, in the context of its initially announced main goal and the main tasks to be solved, literally from its first day, is somewhat "strange" ...

        Moreover, in the Russian central media, everything is somehow importunately beginning to "retell" the goals and objectives of the NWO, in the context of the concepts of "denazification" and "demilitarization" ...

        So, for example, Isaev (deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation), loudly and "in a blue eye" declares that starting the NWO "we OFFERED Kyiv" demilitarization, which means the redistribution of the budget structure by the Kyiv authorities, with the transfer of the main expenses from the military to the economy and social sphere .

        Well, and denazification, respectively, is the elimination of Nazi-nationalist structures, ideology from the policy of the Kyiv authorities ...

        Here, "they would have done all this themselves," and the CBO would not have had to be started.

        Not bad, right? .. And this, at least, against the background when, LONG before the day the NWO began, the inhabitants of the Kyiv rat house, quite officially rolled out around Europe, and at all security conferences, declared their intention to "return nuclear status" , broke into NATO and offered this last relic of the Cold War, the territory of the former united Ukraine, to host their military infrastructure and training grounds ...
        And the funny thing is that no one objects to Isaev, but on the contrary, as if "understanding", they nod their heads. As if making it clear that "it is possible to negotiate" with the inhabitants of the Kyiv rat-house. This is after NINE years since the signing of the Minsk agreements ...

        That's how the Third Reich was "denazified" and "demilitarized" ...
        1. -2
          3 December 2022 03: 19
          And you listen less to what incomprehensible deputies and all sorts of "ex" personalities say, on which absolutely nothing depends.
          1. +1
            3 December 2022 10: 47
            I would gladly follow your advice if the individuals from whom "something means", in particular, those who gave the order to start the NWO, TIMELY, spoke about its progress and the immutability of its main goal and main tasks to be solved, something intelligible ...

            But no.. They, these individuals, assured the Russians for six months that "everything is going according to plan." And, even, during a meeting with the beauties from Aeroflot, they very convincingly "puffed out their cheeks" and threatened NATO with certain "consequences" for interfering if "they try" ...

            And now these personalities have "evaporated" somewhere, and instead of them all sorts of muddy "clarifications" and "interpretations" of the original goal and main tasks of the NWO, the Russians are given "sands", "isaevs", etc., on which nothing depends ...

            But they give their "interpretations", for some reason, through the central Russian information channels. And this is during the conduct of hostilities ... This is "correct", right? ...
    2. +4
      2 December 2022 20: 35
      Quote: Ruslan_3
      I hope these idiots will close the tap ... let them buy at exorbitant prices through other countries

      So they were going to stop buying from December 5.
      1. +11
        2 December 2022 20: 41
        They have already "stopped" buying gas, then we have records for the sale of LNG. Soon they will "stop" buying oil. The Poles are already interested.
      2. +5
        2 December 2022 20: 46
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Ruslan_3
        I hope these idiots will close the tap ... let them buy at exorbitant prices through other countries

        So they were going to stop buying from December 5.

        Yeah, and Poland asked Russia. Three million tons of oil.
        I think there is no reason not to believe Novak.
        1. 0
          2 December 2022 21: 04
          Quote: Ulan.1812

          Yeah, and Poland asked Russia. Three million tons of oil.
          I think there is no reason not to believe Novak.

          We'll see.
          1. +1
            2 December 2022 21: 10
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Ulan.1812

            Yeah, and Poland asked Russia. Three million tons of oil.
            I think there is no reason not to believe Novak.

            We'll see.

            No objections.
          2. +3
            2 December 2022 21: 26
            Aron Zaawi (Aron)
            I really think it's a must see. Unfortunately Novak can "bend" the money does not smell!
      3. +7
        2 December 2022 21: 13
        Aron Zaawi (Aron)
        Let them stop shopping even today! And we'll see who gets worse. To be honest, I still cannot understand why the valve on the Druzhba oil pipeline is not closed and why gas is still being pumped through Ukraine! If I'm a terrorist, why the hell are we supplying both oil and gas? Apparently I'm not an economist.
        1. +6
          2 December 2022 21: 15
          Quote: Bumblebee_3
          Aron Zaawi (Aron)
          Let them stop shopping even today! And we'll see who gets worse. To be honest, I still cannot understand why the valve on the Druzhba oil pipeline is not closed and why gas is still being pumped through Ukraine! If I'm a terrorist, why the hell are we supplying both oil and gas? Apparently I'm not an economist.

          Well, money for the treasury. What is another explanation?
          1. -5
            2 December 2022 21: 29
            Aron Zaawi (Aron)
            Treasury money? I think that our officials - money for the treasury, are perceived as personal money.
            1. +5
              2 December 2022 21: 43
              Public sector salaries are paid from oil and gas revenues
              and pensions. That's why Friendship works.
              Therefore, a deal on the export of ammonia fertilizers through Ukraine is close. Money.
              1. -1
                2 December 2022 22: 02
                voyaka uh (Alexey)
                And that oil and gas revenues are only income from sales for foreign currency? The domestic market - the gasification of the Russian Federation is what sucks? In Russia, do we have gas in all districts? We don't burn firewood?
                1. 0
                  3 December 2022 06: 07
                  Quote: Bumblebee_3
                  And that oil and gas revenues are only income from sales for currencies

                  Unfortunately, this is exactly what we have. Raw materials were flooded, so they didn’t learn how to process it, but stupidly pump it through pipes to countries that process it. And then they sell it to us in the form of finished products. Although it is possible to take a different path, if we cannot produce those same finished products, then we can quite technologically prepare at least a semi-finished product for them. All you need is desire. for example, why drive oil abroad if it can be processed here and sold abroad already gasoline, diesel fuel, oils. As well as plastics, rubber, polymers and other petrochemical products.
              2. +2
                3 December 2022 05: 46
                "That's why Friendship works.
                Therefore, a deal on the export of ammonia fertilizers through Ukraine is close. Money."
                Well, yes, there is nowhere else to take. industry exists only on paper, grain goes abroad, money stays there, the whole economy is only geared towards a pipe
      4. +2
        2 December 2022 21: 27
        Wrong!!! Transneft has applications for 3 mln. tons of oil from the Poles for 23 years! And this is not the only request from Europe. The information can be checked.
      5. 0
        3 December 2022 06: 01
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        So they were going to stop buying from December 5.

        Well, that's nice. What then was the point of breaking copies over a decision that Russia was stupidly not even going to implement?
    3. +7
      2 December 2022 21: 37
      I wonder if the Russian Federation leads the price ceiling for products in Europe and the United States for cars and so on, will Europe and the United States agree? it's the same if
      1. 0
        3 December 2022 00: 45
        Well, it’s necessary for the Poles to supply fuel to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, hence the applications for Russian oil ...
    4. +1
      3 December 2022 06: 49
      Now, with the introduction of the "ceiling" of 60 dollars, in general, neither for Russia nor for Europe (at current oil prices) nothing changes.

      How "does not change" ...??? ... Yeah, only a complete sucker or a paid g.o.v.n.o.e.d. could write this. Or both together.
      It doesn't change when everything changes!...
      What, in general, does the fact that the "ceiling" of prices is still higher than the windows and has not yet fallen on the floor to the plinth matter?! ..
      The fact is that our country no longer has the opportunity to trade, we can only give oil at this price! ... In my opinion, the difference between one and the second is simply gigantic !! Sabotage of prices on the oil market, including - this will be the most logical move on the part of Russia after such a decision by the EU. Otherwise ...
      Otherwise, whatever the West wants further, they will appoint. And the author of nonsense, who mistakenly published instead of an article, will bite his tongue and remain silent or write other nonsense about the same ceiling. Like, he's not that low yet, you can crouch or crawl on all fours. ...
      Such articles are complete moral ugliness! ..
      The President said - we will not trade with those who do not want to trade. For now, I would like to believe that this will be the case.
      In a word, go look for suckers in another village, comrade shitty clerk!
    5. 0
      3 December 2022 15: 09
      Now, with the introduction of the "ceiling" of 60 dollars, in general, neither for Russia nor for Europe (at current oil prices) nothing changes.

      And consequently, all these promises that the countries that introduced the ceiling on oil prices will not be supplied with nothing more than another blah blah for us ordinary Russians.
  2. +12
    2 December 2022 20: 27
    So, at the moment the price is 66,54 per urals. Will they really lead and sell on the ceiling? Well, they promised to turn off the faucet if they stir up such a thing. We wait...
    If sales continue at 60, then they will drop the ladder to the same 20-30 bucks, feeling such a slight deflection of Russia.
    1. +3
      2 December 2022 20: 32
      It seems that the ceiling applies only to oil that is transported by tankers
      1. +3
        2 December 2022 20: 45
        And is it cheaper than 60?
        the administration of the site does not carry useful information.
        1. +1
          2 December 2022 21: 46
          Urals are bought at $51.
          The oil embargo begins in December. Tankers cease to insure. To sell oil, you will have to use tricky combinations.
      2. +3
        2 December 2022 20: 49
        Friendship maximum 16,7 million tons per year. I did not find how many tanks we are carrying. In 1 ton of oil with the correct recalculation of 7,28 barrels. It turns out that Russia imports 121,5 million barrels through the pipeline. In dollars at the current price of about $ 8 billion. The total tonnage of world tanker oil is 2 billion tons per year. What percentage of this sea belongs to the Russian Federation? Hmm..
        1. 0
          2 December 2022 21: 32
          Exports, of course. drinks
          Quote: al3x
          It turns out that Russia imports 121,5 million barrels through the pipeline
    2. +1
      2 December 2022 20: 33
      Quote: al3x
      So, at the moment the price is 66,54 per urals. Will they really lead and sell on the ceiling? Well, they promised to turn off the faucet if they stir up such a thing. We wait...
      If sales continue at 60, then they will drop the ladder to the same 20-30 bucks, feeling such a slight deflection of Russia.

      How much will the dollar cost after Russia refuses to sell oil to them?
      1. +7
        2 December 2022 20: 40
        I'm more interested in what the value of the ruble will be after such a refusal in relation to goods within the country.
        1. 0
          2 December 2022 21: 09
          Quote: al3x
          I'm more interested in what the value of the ruble will be after such a refusal in relation to goods within the country.

          One feels the comment is not a clinical idiot! You are a plus.
          1. +7
            2 December 2022 21: 34
            Sounds like the comment was from an ordinary idiot, but not a clinical one. laughing
            1. +4
              2 December 2022 21: 49
              Quote: al3x
              Sounds like the comment was from an ordinary idiot, but not a clinical one. laughing

              Well, you see! Not only with economic concepts, but also with humor you are not bad! hi
      2. -4
        2 December 2022 20: 51
        Quote: Damir Zakirov
        How much will the dollar cost after Russia refuses to sell oil to them?

        It doesn't matter anymore, and even the price of oil .. Russia has prepared for all this.
        The main thing is food security .. And we will increase everything else!
        Both the Army and the Navy .. Damn them in the liver, but this time they won’t catch us on price differences, etc.
        Everything has changed with us, Lord, and it will no longer be possible to deceive us.
    3. -1
      3 December 2022 00: 03
      Quote: al3x
      If sales continue at 60, then they will drop the ladder to the same 20-30 bucks, feeling such a slight deflection of Russia.

      Will definitely drop. This is the point of the Russian oil price ceiling.
      At a press briefing, U.S. State Department Chief Economist Emily Blanchard said that "The December 5 ceiling on Russian oil prices may be adjusted if it does not achieve its goal of reducing Russia's revenues going to finance military operations in Ukraine."
      And Deputy Treasury Secretary Wally Adeyemo said yesterday that "the price ceiling for Russian oil can be reviewed twice a month, if necessary."
      So don't be fooled by the price of 60 bucks. Rejoice all the more.
  3. +4
    2 December 2022 20: 30
    In addition to heavy oil Urals, we have 3 more grades of light oil, which is always somewhat more expensive. Is it also $60? fun in the markets.
  4. -4
    2 December 2022 20: 38
    Quote: tralflot1832
    In addition to heavy oil Urals, we have 3 more grades of light oil, which is always somewhat more expensive. Is it also $60? fun in the markets.

    I don't understand either. Why go to the market? Here Kommersant publishes:

    The cost of Russian Urals oil in the ports of Primorsk and Novorossiysk fell below the price ceiling discussed in the EU - to $ 51,96 per barrel, Bloomberg reports, citing Argus Media pricing agency data at the end of last week. The agency's calculations based on the cost of Urals are used by the RF Ministry of Finance. The European Union (EU) is considering a cap on Russian oil at $65-70 per barrel.
    1. +3
      2 December 2022 20: 46

      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      I don't understand either. Why go to the market? Here Kommersant publishes:

      Komersant, this is a US-controlled media ... And Israel too. Those are secretive foreign agents
      1. -6
        2 December 2022 21: 10
        Quote from godzila
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I don't understand either. Why go to the market? Here Kommersant publishes:

        Komersant, this is a US-controlled media ... And Israel too. Those are secretive foreign agents

        Do you accuse the FSB and the Investigative Committee of treason? recourse
        1. +4
          2 December 2022 21: 22
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Do you accuse the FSB and the Investigative Committee of treason?

          Your fear is understandable when you lived in the USSR. )))
          Stalin repressions, etc. , by the way, what happened in the 90s He was right!
    2. +2
      2 December 2022 21: 14
      Aron, don’t read bloomberg in the morning about news from Russia on oil and gas. You won’t get into a mess. Oil Urals 66. Everything depends on China, oil will rise. "sides", believe? Buy a tanker, get rich. The same bloomberg predicts prices of $ 5 per barrel for a carrier on the Novorossiysk - India route. hi
  5. +2
    2 December 2022 20: 43
    The EC acts in a way that is beneficial to Europe and the United States and does not strongly contradict their own political statements.
    Oil is needed. To make a ceiling that Russophobes from the Baltics and some Eastern European countries offer... It's possible. But the Russians will send everyone through the forest.
    Do not set a price ceiling ... Then the politicians of the EC and the US will not be politicians, but brokers from well-known stock exchanges.
    But to set the ceiling, but for Russia to continue to sell oil, this is a glorious decision.
    The EC and the US seem to have set a price ceiling, the authorities (namely, the authorities, the people will be indignant, but whoever rules, he rules the people) continues to sell to Russia.
    And let them butt heads with this Ukraine. And the EC and the US will help those who are weaker. So that the Slav would go longer to the Slav.
  6. +2
    2 December 2022 20: 43
    Nonsense and the supplier and buyers will find ways around all these ceilings.
    And those who introduced it know very well.
    Well, for example, on paper, "mix" Kazakh and Russian oil, and this already seems to be not Russian and is not subject to restrictions.
    Well, or from Azerbaijan.
    In general, this is more PR for European officials.
    1. +2
      2 December 2022 21: 22
      Already the "shadow fleet of tankers" is 400 pieces, the average tonnage is 50 tons, in a position of a low start. We do not have enough tanker capacities for transportation.
  7. +8
    2 December 2022 20: 45
    Oil cannot be sold to any countries that have approved the price ceiling (even if it corresponds to the market) ... purely on principle ... You agreed and now Vanya is not a milliliter ... until you cancel everything and ask with respect to repent of your mistakes ... only otherwise they will not grow up these European
  8. +3
    2 December 2022 20: 55
    About 31 thousand cluster munitions with uranium-238 were first used by NATO 20 years ago during the massive bombing of military facilities in southern Serbia, RIA Novosti, 21.03.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    Give START.
    1. -2
      2 December 2022 21: 50
      With dinner uranium. Not radioactive, but carcinogenic.
      Small armor-piercing shells of rapid-fire cannons.
      1. 0
        2 December 2022 22: 09
        Is depleted uranium radioactive? It is slightly radioactive, but still "glows". Mercury and tungsten are also carcinogenic, but uranium made them all the same. wassat
      2. -2
        2 December 2022 23: 20
        This refers to tactical nuclear weapons.
  9. +5
    2 December 2022 21: 05
    well, let's see the cost of the words of the Russian Federation they said if they lead they will not sell
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  10. +5
    2 December 2022 21: 14
    This suggests that European officials fear that if the price of Russian oil were significantly lower than the current market price, then Moscow would block the supply of raw materials to those countries that supported such a decision.

    That's what we were talking about in the first place! The government promised that no matter how high the ceiling was set, Moscow would not sell oil to ANYONE who supported this ceiling. And not because it is too little or too much for us, but because it is an unprecedentedly unfriendly and unparalleled anti-market step and humiliation for our country.
    Now, with the introduction of the "ceiling" of 60 dollars, in general, neither for Russia nor for Europe (at current oil prices) nothing changes.

    This is what is sad. That is, they will again wipe their feet on us, sweetening the pill with a high ceiling price - and we will sell strategic raw materials to them ... just because the ceiling they set is higher than the level allowed for us???
    And what will happen when oil jumps to 100? Up to 130? Should we stop selling? And why? Because we do not accept any "price ceiling"? Hmm ... they will say - but the ceiling was introduced a long time ago. And you were still selling to all those who supported this ceiling ... why now build a girl out of yourself?
    1. +2
      2 December 2022 22: 12
      The government promised that, regardless of the size of the ceiling, Moscow would not sell oil to ANYONE

      They will say that no one buys our oil. Trust the government? Yes, God save me!
  11. +7
    2 December 2022 21: 24
    Now, with the introduction of the "ceiling" of 60 dollars, in general, neither for Russia nor for Europe (at current oil prices) nothing changes.

    Everything changes and how it changes. If Russia agrees to any ceiling on prices, even higher than the current ones, then it falls into the hands of the West, this is tantamount to if crucian carp falls into a frying pan. When a crucian got into a frying pan, then it has no way out, there is only a frying pan, and if Russia goes for it, then it will fry like that crucian.
  12. +5
    2 December 2022 21: 28
    Selling oil to countries involved in this conspiracy would be treason. President Putin must keep his word not to sell them oil.
    1. -4
      2 December 2022 21: 38
      Carlos Sala
      And that Putin personally sells oil?
      1. +3
        2 December 2022 21: 44
        Both he and Medvedev recently declared that not a drop of oil would be sold to the countries involved in this plot. Sell ​​only to non-hostile countries
        1. +2
          2 December 2022 22: 17
          Carlos Sala
          You have no confidence that tomorrow we will not show a "goodwill gesture" and start supplying oil and gas to hostile countries? This is how it is done in our country - they exchanged the leaders of Azov, left Bucha, Kharkov. What good and Zaporizhzhya NPP will be given under the IAEA.
    2. +4
      2 December 2022 22: 14
      President Putin must keep his word

      You have a very tough humor in light of the events of recent years. belay
  13. +11
    2 December 2022 21: 59
    we urgently need to move away from "Western" capitalism. There, all the rules are sharpened for them.
  14. 0
    2 December 2022 22: 48
    Si les MLRS de l'OTAN tirent sur Donetsk, c'est qu'ils sont encore en état de tirer n'est-ce pas ! Comment se fait-il que la Russie ne soit pas en mesure de bousiller ces objectifs fixes dans l'heure ? Qui a désarmé la Russie en suivant pendant des décennies une politique de lèche botte à l'égard de l'Occident ? Où sont les missiles soviétiques qui étaient capables d'accomplir une telle tâche ? Pourquoi quasi aucun des projets proposés dans les divers salons n'a été mis en œuvre? Qu'est-ce que c'est ces élucubrations sur les manques de budgets? Qui a coule le Koursk? C'est quoi ces mascarades religieuses et ces noms de monstres tsaristes dont on baptise les navires? etc, etc...
    La Russie n'a qu'un et un seul problème, les gens n'y votent pas communiste. De son côté le Parti Communiste ne fait rien pour rassurer les électeurs sur ses intentions, il doit assurer du maintien de la Démocratie et du suffrage universel.
    Et qu'attend-on pour supprimer ce dégoûtant parti d'extrême droite dirigé par ce Jirinovski ?
  15. 0
    2 December 2022 22: 58
    can you have a title like this: while in Moscow they were talking about diplomacy, as the main way to achieve peace in Ukraine, the Ukrainians bombed the Russian city of Donetsk??? although yes, the children of the Peskovs do not live in Donetsk ... why can’t they talk about peace in Ukraine ... the only problem is that hostilities are being conducted on the territory of the Russian Federation ... unless, of course, the Peskovs have not forgotten about the recent changes in Constitution, like some kind of zatulins
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  18. 0
    3 December 2022 11: 12
    It's not clear how this will work.
    What will the seller do if I come to the store and say that I will buy his sausage at my own price?