Having failed to implement the tactics of mobile defense, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Artyomovsk and Marinka switched to containing the offensive of the RF Armed Forces "in live mass"

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Having failed to implement the tactics of mobile defense, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Artyomovsk and Marinka switched to containing the offensive of the RF Armed Forces "in live mass"

The combined forces of the regular army of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the People's Militia of the Republics of Donbass and the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" slowly but surely continue to push the enemy near Artyomovsk and in Maryinka. The Ukrainian military goes on the defensive, gradually losing fortified areas and settlements one after another, trying to make up for significant losses by transferring mixed reserves from the rear and from other sectors of the front.

Although the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not conduct active offensive operations in other directions, and there tough defense, coupled with constant attacks on the enemy both at the front line and in the rear, significantly deplete the offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



Back in early November, the speaker of the Eastern Group of Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Sergei Cherevaty, said that in the Donbass, there was mainly a positional struggle. At the same time, the representative of the command announced that the Ukrainian military was moving from massive “lava on lava” attacks to maneuver defense tactics. Cherevaty added that as soon as the Russian troops were weakened in one of the sectors, an operation would be planned following the example of Kharkov or Limanskaya.

It didn't work out, it didn't weaken.

Either the groups did not maneuver well, or there were too few of them, and all of their main part died under the fire of Russian artillery, but this new tactic of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the moment certainly did not bring them success. Despite the powerful fortifications created over several years on NATO instructions in key settlements, the Ukrainian militants lost their offensive potential, and the losses became such that even the wounded were left in the trenches and on the battlefield.

There was a shortage of artillery, armored vehicles and ammunition. Replenishment was hampered by the fact that as our troops advanced, Russian artillerymen began to shoot through the supply lines of the AFU groups. Communication problems and still remaining autumn slush were added here.

The depletion of combat-ready units on the Donetsk border forced the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to transfer both elite units from the west of Ukraine, and reservists and teroboronists from wherever possible to replenish. The quality of training and combat effectiveness of the latter, to put it mildly, left much to be desired. At the end of November, the acting head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, reported that, according to operational data, poorly trained reservists “mostly 55+”, who not only do not know how, but also do not want to fight, are being sent to the DPR from the Kherson direction to the DPR.

Demoralization in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine increased after the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, recklessly announced the number of losses of the Ukrainian military, which turned out to be almost ten times higher than officially declared by the Ukrainian General Staff. However, even without information from Brussels, Ukrainian soldiers on the Donbass front are well aware that Kyiv has prepared for them the role of "cannon fodder". According to the intelligence of the LPR, in the Artemovsk (Bakhmut) region, decadent moods prevail in the ranks of the Vushniks, associated with heavy losses, poor living conditions and lack of proper supplies.

Only one episode of the last days of the Donetsk campaign. At the end of November, the Armed Forces of Ukraine made several attempts to recapture the village of Pavlovka in the DPR, which had previously been liberated by our troops. In order to break through to Pavlovka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine involved operational reserves - units of the 56th motorized infantry and 68th jaeger brigades. The advance of the enemy was detected from the UAV, the artillery destroyed about 200 militants, forcing the rest to retreat to the starting point.

Before the second attack, units of the 56th and 68th brigades were reinforced by the 110th territorial defense brigade. The key task of the formation was to exit Velikaya Novoselovka along the highway on the Zolotaya Niva - Prechistovka section to open the positions of the RF Armed Forces and subsequent fire control of Pavlovka. In the area of ​​​​Prechistovka, a column of armored vehicles MLS Shield and tanks T-64B "met" Russian tanks T-80BVM. As a result of an unsuccessful attack, the 114th separate territorial defense battalion, which is part of the 110th brigade, lost about 80% of its personnel.

It turned out, as is often the case with loud propaganda statements by the Kyiv authorities, that without realizing the tactics of mobile defense, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass finally switched to containing the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces "in live mass" in the area of ​​Maryinka and Artyomovsk. Reserves are launched into the zones of the most active battles without any preparation, and often on territories that are “shot down” from the heights by Russian troops, which leads to new and new losses from the enemy.
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    1. +10
      2 December 2022 14: 48
      Quote: Boniface
      become undead!

      Bandera has already formed a whole army, the undead keep coming and coming. Already there is no place in the boilers - the devils swear, at least install shifts!
      1. +6
        2 December 2022 14: 59
        Let them take increased obligations .. And yes, no one promised the devil that it would be easy
        1. +4
          2 December 2022 15: 12
          Donetsk coal should be thrown into hell, it has a higher calorie content, it will be more pleasant for banderlogs .. hi
      2. +4
        2 December 2022 15: 05
        “The wounded are lying in the cemeteries,” Zelensky denied the words about 100 killed by Ursula von der Leyen, saying that 000 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine died during the entire period of hostilities
        1. -8
          2 December 2022 16: 00
          About two and a half months ago, from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, I remember that over 430 thousand irrevocable in the Armed Forces of Ukraine were declared, even today with Ursula no one began to argue about the numbers ... In the media, with Olya and Zhenya, with confirmation by videos from speaking American senators, I remember that from the beginning of the NWO, around June-July, it was talked about subsidies to Americans under 90 trillion, then, the figure shrank by about 40, it also subsided with numbers and inconsistencies, kabuto is the way it should be, no one remembers what was said yesterday and documented, like it was confirmed ... Strangely, the numbers are changing ...
          1. +7
            2 December 2022 16: 11
            There was no such thing, about 400 thousand walked stuffing in the network.
      3. -11
        2 December 2022 15: 28
        Tactical nukes to the rescue. Nothing prevented the amers from using them in Yugoslavia. Burns everything within a 1 km radius.
  2. +9
    2 December 2022 14: 46
    Well, if the maneuverable defense failed, there is only one conclusion from here - finally, complete control from the air over the movements in the near rear of the chickens was carried out. No other way. What to inspire optimism
  3. +6
    2 December 2022 14: 47
    A turning point in the war is taking place right before our eyes. Without high-profile operations and breakthroughs in the style of Stalingrad ticks. This is rather the tactics of the Vistula-Oder operation or Brusilovskaya if you dig even deeper. At the moment, military logistics / RF Armed Forces allows you to supply artillery with more shells than the enemy. The troops learned how to fight, artillery crews gained combat experience and learned to shoot more economically and more accurately, better aiming at the coordinates. Not just somewhere in particular, but everywhere. The Armed Forces of Ukraine depend on the supply of Western weapons, on a limited number of Western weapons that are more capricious in maintenance. The military potential of the opposing units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is gradually being destroyed. In modern warfare, with well-organized artillery, numerical superiority does not give advantages. Actually, the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine now resemble the actions of the Soviet army on the Rzhev-Vyazma ledge in 42-43. (Those who are interested in military history will understand).
    1. -5
      2 December 2022 15: 28
      Actually, the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine now resemble the actions of the Soviet army on the Rzhev-Vyazma ledge in 42-43. (Those who are interested in military history will understand).

      They don't remember at all. The actions of the Red Army were very successful if, at the end of November 42, the Germans sent four tank and one motorized divisions from the OKH reserve to Stalingrad, and not to Rzhev, and also stopped the transfer of 12 infantry divisions to the south. Then we would have defeated the purely the German Army Group Center, and not the armies of Goth and Paulus with the Romanians and Italians.
      1. -2
        2 December 2022 18: 50
        a person who does not know what meat boron is can talk about success
      2. +2
        2 December 2022 19: 23
        But wasn’t it a distracting maneuver (they were also more likely to expect success) that the counteroffensive of the Red Army near Rzhev pulled them there? NOT ALLOWING the enemy to pull them up near Stalingrad ??? The plan was double, if everything worked out, the "Fritz" would have raked there too, but it didn’t work out ... but they pulled the reserves away from Stalingrad .... and it turned out what happened ... now we have 9 PIT !!!
    2. +3
      2 December 2022 16: 36
      There, the ukrov not only have a problem with the delivery of shells, but also with the presence. Of course, everything that was possible from Eastern Europe was unloaded to them, maybe they were brought from somewhere else in Africa, where Ukraine supplied ammunition. But there were few of our own, back in 2015 there was a large deficit of our own.
      In Eastern Europe, they will try to establish the production of ammunition, but Ukraine does not produce its own. and those riches that were, they were tritely plundered, in our Simferopol, tourists spent the night right on the street because of the explosions in Novobogdanovka, when they hid their looting and this was done more than once. I remember here on VO it was written in the 16th year that they tried to establish their own production of 152-mm shells, but there was no information on how it ended. If they had fixed it, they would certainly have trumpeted it.
      1. 0
        2 December 2022 20: 21
        "but Ukraine does not produce its own." ///
        ----
        Didn't produce. Until November of this year.
        The production of shells of 152 "Soviet" caliber began.
        This was also in the Russian press.
        1. +2
          2 December 2022 21: 02
          Maybe just tell me where they dug up the workers? I just lived in Ukraine and, for example. our Plant Fiolent, it is in Simferopol. decreased by almost 7 thousand to two. The same is true for other factories. Further. the question is, there is a vacancy, the person has not worked for a long time, but it is possible to restore the skills again. what is his salary? He will earn more at a construction site in Russia, or at apples and strawberries in Poland. As you understand, this is not a very skilled work. Why the hell did the defense industry surrender to him, besides, where can a Russian missile fly to?
        2. +3
          2 December 2022 21: 09
          hi
          The Ukrainians had a separate program for 152 mm shells - and the shells "didn't work out." About 2 years ago there was a big showdown and a photo - "the shells could not withstand firing", something with the leading belts and the hull did not work out there.

          There was a fresh photo of a 152 mm projectile with the signatures of all sorts of local celebrities - this projectile is made of almost 3 components.

          IMHO: 152 mm shells in Ukraine have not been made and will not be made, you can’t “blind” them in a basement or garage, and where you “blind” them, Caliber will fly there in a couple of days.
        3. +3
          3 December 2022 05: 45
          Two years ago, they tried to establish the production of precisely 152s. But something went wrong. There was even a video on YouTube. So they said there that they fly along other trajectories than those Soviet ones produced according to GOSTs smile
    3. 0
      3 December 2022 23: 50
      Something like a comparison with the Rzhev-Sychevsky and Rzhev-Vyazemsky operations is very annoying.
  4. +10
    2 December 2022 14: 47
    And they are convinced that we are losing a battalion a day at the front ... Nonsense, of course, but nevertheless they firmly believe in it, as well as in the fact that now there will be a Maidan in Russia, and Putin will be overthrown ... Well, nowhere they see information from the other side... Although, even if this infa breaks through, it is rejected at the subconscious level.
    1. +5
      2 December 2022 16: 01
      Well, they have nowhere to see information from the other side ...

      So they don't need it. One girl from Kharkov moved to her relatives in the Belgorod region and let's post photos from the villages near Belgorod with asphalt, football fields, playgrounds and a mowed lawn in Ukrainian public pages, and for comparison she posts photos from Kharkov. So there is such a high about Photoshop and Putin's corrupt agent. Threats to kill are the mildest..
      1. +6
        2 December 2022 16: 50
        Do not be surprised, there is no perception of reality. They do not simply represent the possibilities of Russia, I myself did not represent them in their place until Crimea and I became part of Russia. One friend from Moscow told me that you won’t have time to meow as you will have a construction boom, and he was right.
        There are jambs not without this, in the form of long-term construction projects, like the Tereshkova Embankment in Yevpatoria and the Historical Boulevard in Sevastopol, but in the same Sevastopol an opera house is being built, roads are being made in the same Yevpatoria, and in general, residential areas are growing like mushrooms, school buildings are being built playgrounds and schools themselves with kindergartens are also being built, interchanges, a lot of everything. Most of the talk was about the Crimean bridge, but the construction of the Taurida highway is no less grandiose, and if the bus from Sevastopol to Kerch reached net time in 6 hours, not counting stops. then now for 4, there and back \ saving 4 hours.
        And those who come to us from Ukraine do not believe their eyes, the truth does not coincide with what they draw, because this is for less than 9 years. And the fleets were updated, bus trolleybus trams in Yevpatoriya were removed, which were 50 years old, ambulances, etc.
        So I repeat, I myself did not realize the extent of Ukropov’s propaganda, I thought that Russia, it’s something like Ukraine, but only bigger and with a more intelligible and close ideology, we didn’t run for pensions to a referendum, as they often give out, but for an ideologically close country, which was not perceived as a stranger at all.
        But if our autonomy somehow slowed down such processes, imagine that in the minds of the same Kharkiv residents, I came across tourists from there, many Maidans of the brain there, especially among the intelligentsia.
    2. +3
      2 December 2022 16: 08
      The Internet is full of cissos and dill bots of all stripes. They communicate with each other, argue, throw fakes in order to immediately refute them, imitating both the Russian public and the Ukrainian one, creating the appearance of mass character. They are echoed by Russian liberals, sympathetic and simply gullible people. The Internet is completely under pro-Ukrainian forces. Who will get information there and from where? Propaganda of the West and its magnificent tool of influence is the Internet, in all its glory. winked
    3. -1
      2 December 2022 18: 12
      And no one knows how much we lose this information is closed. Only a very limited number of people own it.
  5. +4
    2 December 2022 14: 54
    In short, they tacked, tacked ..... but they didn’t catch it .... and what’s most fun, then for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it will be more and more interesting, and more interesting .... When, the purulent bubble of dill propaganda will burst .... maybe then the eyes of the Ukrainian people will open
  6. 0
    2 December 2022 14: 58
    At the expense of supplying our troops, I think ours need to pay attention to this article https://www.golosameriki.com/a/british-intelligence-sees/6859358.html I am attaching a screenshot of what is at stake.
  7. +5
    2 December 2022 15: 07
    "Strategic miscalculations cannot be compensated for by tactical successes." - Carl von Clausewitz.

    After strikes on critical infrastructure in U., logistics was disrupted. No logistics, no supply. No supply - defeat is inevitable even in the case of individual successes.

    Actually, that's all.

    If the task of defeating U. had been set from the very beginning, they would have won long ago.
    But the task was clearly different. Up to the fact that some of the actions of the Russian Federation, which are perceived as agreements up to treason from the point of view of the war with U., are perceived quite differently, if you count. that the Russian Federation is not fighting with U., but with NATO.

    So far, a lot of weapons, and the most frostbitten ones, have been pulled out of NATO into the Ukrainian steppes. Well, in principle, this is both fair and correct! If the West took away part of the Ukrainian black soil, then it was necessary to quickly restore fertility by applying fertilizers. What, in fact, the Russian Federation is doing in the Ukrainian steppes. :)
  8. +3
    2 December 2022 15: 11
    At the end of November, the acting head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, reported that, according to operational data, poorly trained reservists “mostly 55+”, who not only do not know how, but also do not want to fight, are being sent to the DPR from the Kherson direction to the DPR.

    Why can't we defeat them? Or is it not operational data, but propaganda?
  9. +4
    2 December 2022 15: 11
    Yesterday, the "Akhmat" spenaz, together with the servicemen of the Central Military District, captured 11 servicemen of the 25th brigade of the Airborne Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and so before serving in this brigade (and they began this service in October), they did not serve anywhere at all ... but suddenly they abruptly became paratroopers - attack aircraft, without any training. That is, Kyiv does not think at all about the preparation of "live mass", throwing it to slaughter, like cattle.
    1. +3
      2 December 2022 16: 03
      they didn't work at all...

      And they are all drivers and cooks, and at home they all have a bunch of kids, pregnant wives and sick parents (or vice versa).
      1. +1
        2 December 2022 16: 21
        there is such a thing, but in this video they did not say that they were in the positions of "drivers" and "cooks", they said that from the airborne assault brigade - shooters, machine gunners and grenade launchers.
  10. +3
    2 December 2022 15: 14
    When they run out, how much cannon fodder they mobilized.
    Ukraine will soon be left without men.
    But who cares in Kyiv, Washington and Brussels.
    1. +2
      2 December 2022 15: 30
      You may not believe me, but on Indian, and especially on Chinese sites, such a mess is going on right now that it’s just dumbfounded. You probably know that in these countries the birth of a boy is welcomed much more than the birth of a girl, and after the invention of fetal ultrasound, many girls were simply not born and now there is an incredible gender bias, both in India and in China, and these are men in the very flourishing of strength. And now they are seriously discussing that if as many men as possible die as a result of this stupid war, then how many women will be released !!! It won't be enough for everyone, but at least someone will be lucky. Marriage tourism agencies for Ukraine are already appearing in China. So to hell with them - with Brussels and Washington - Beijing and New Delhi are rubbing their hands happily, and Ukrainian women can be recommended to learn Chinese and Hindi. Come in handy.
      1. +1
        2 December 2022 15: 37
        Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
        You may not believe me, but on Indian, and especially on Chinese sites, such a mess is going on right now that it’s just dumbfounded. You probably know that in these countries the birth of a boy is welcomed much more than the birth of a girl, and after the invention of fetal ultrasound, many girls were simply not born and now there is an incredible gender bias, both in India and in China, and these are men in the very flourishing of strength. And now they are seriously discussing that if as many men as possible die as a result of this stupid war, then how many women will be released !!! It won't be enough for everyone, but at least someone will be lucky. Marriage tourism agencies for Ukraine are already appearing in China. So to hell with them - with Brussels and Washington - Beijing and New Delhi are rubbing their hands happily, and Ukrainian women can be recommended to learn Chinese and Hindi. Come in handy.

        Why can't I believe you. I totally believe it makes sense.
      2. +1
        2 December 2022 17: 04
        There is a peculiar society, Indians study here in Simferopol, and now my classmate's girlfriend jumped out to get married, but her father did not accept her, which means certain difficulties. Here his boyfriend did not agree with his father according to their ideas and did not accept him into the house.
        Specifically, this Hindu is a doctor, and doctors there earn a lot, but there is enough poverty there, I suspect that Indians simply have nothing to offer Ukrainian women. Ukraine is not a rich country, but the Soviet legacy, with which they are fighting so fiercely, remains there, and I will say that in the same Zapadenschina there are very clean cities and a central water supply system. And not a few Indians drink water directly from the Ganges, where the cremated remains of the dead are fused and they themselves live in the mud, the Indians are rare ... how to say, dirty, whoever works with them just spit that they will leave a viper on the bus if they go anywhere -something they go in an organized way, that in their student hostel. So in this sense, Indians can roll up their lips.
        I won’t say for the Chinese, they also litter, but not like that, the Japanese are very careful, but then again, that society is alien. One somehow got married for great love but ran away. There, the boss can mix you out of the blue with a known substance, just take the risk of uttering a word.
    2. +3
      2 December 2022 16: 06
      Ukraine will soon be left without men. But who cares in Kyiv, Washington and Brussels.

      The paradox is that few people in Ukraine care about this either.
      1. 0
        2 December 2022 16: 44
        Quote from: laws70
        Ukraine will soon be left without men. But who cares in Kyiv, Washington and Brussels.

        The paradox is that few people in Ukraine care about this either.

        And this is the most amazing thing. But all the same, it probably needs to be clarified that this is not disturbing the Nazi authorities, who have long prepared themselves an alternate airfield in the west.
  11. +3
    2 December 2022 15: 20
    Something I began to respect Prigogine: Bakhmut is not Bakhmut, but "Bakhmut meat grinder."
  12. -1
    2 December 2022 18: 41
    Actually, FonderLeyin was talking about 100 officers, translated into Russian, these are junior command staff and officers, so add another 000-100 thousand to 200 thousand.
  13. -1
    2 December 2022 19: 51
    Not long left for the Bandera people to hope for something, before the offensive on all fronts, a few days, the earth will freeze and drive the Ukrofascist reptile to Lvov and Zhytomyr.
    One thing is a shame that we are 2-hundred of our Slavs, and there are sometimes many who do not want to fight against us.
    1. 0
      2 December 2022 20: 27
      "the earth will freeze" ///
      ----
      Interestingly, Ukrainians are also waiting for the ground to freeze.
      Both sides have big plans for the winter.
      What happens is unknown...
      1. +2
        2 December 2022 21: 22
        hi
        Interestingly, Ukrainians are also waiting for the ground to freeze.
        Both sides have big plans for the winter.
        What happens is unknown...


        IMHO, again, but after the "Big swing Kharkiv-Kherson" APU will try on "Vasilyevka-Molochny Liman". But there, due to the proximity of the sea, the mud may not end in the winter.

        Bakhmut/Artemovsk and Svatovo-Kremennaya will continue to cosplay Verdun.

        The Armed Forces of Ukraine can sit on the defensive for a month, see who "General Frost" will work for. In terms of sitting in the trenches, even with "+10 and - 10", unready troops will begin to have sanitary problems / problems with "half-sea-comp." on a gigantic scale.
    2. 0
      2 December 2022 20: 42
      Hello Mihan, did you say that by the end of November there will be major victories over the Ukrainian troops?
  14. 0
    3 December 2022 07: 52
    So the DPR and LPR were accepted into the Russian Federation and they are now not allied. Or has something already changed?
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