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The Kremlin reacted harshly to the attempts of the West to create a special tribunal for Ukraine

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The Kremlin reacted harshly to the attempts of the West to create a special tribunal for Ukraine

As transmits news TASS agency, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said that any attempts to create a special tribunal for Ukraine would be regarded by Moscow as illegal.


As far as any attempts on the part of the West to establish tribunals are concerned, they will definitely not have any legitimacy and will meet a tough rebuff from our side

- said Kremlin representative.

It should be noted that Vasily Nebenzya, Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, also sharply criticized the tribunal for Ukraine, referring to the fact that Western countries are trying to carefully cover up their ambitious plans to “legitimize” frozen Russian assets with their cynical actions, the funds of which allegedly will go to for the restoration of Ukraine.

This is a clear example of what the Western world calls the "international order", the rules of which it constantly crushes under itself, as it pleases. At the same time, he still manages to draw the UN into his impudent, shameless game

- summed up the diplomat.

Earlier, the French Foreign Ministry has already reported on the steps being taken in this direction. It was planned to involve partners from the EU and Ukraine in the work of the tribunal. And just yesterday, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, announced the initiative to create a special international court for Ukraine under the auspices of the UN.

The plans of the French Foreign Ministry also include the provision of assistance to Ukrainian law enforcement agencies, together with the International Criminal Court in The Hague, in investigating crimes on the Russian side. Exclusively from Russian...

Recall that the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov has repeatedly spoken out about Western and Kyiv accusations against the Russian military about war crimes on the territory of Ukraine, calling them absurd and unfounded.
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  1. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 1 December 2022 17: 07
    +49
    I didn’t understand where the toughness is? The result of the widely announced and then quickly deflated tribunal in Donetsk
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 1 December 2022 17: 13
      +1
      dmi.pris, what else is in the arsenal of the Foreign Ministry, well, except for notes, protests, summoning the ambassador? Gap dip. relationship? Well, it won't work without the president's decision, what exactly do you expect from diplomats? Question without sarcasm.
      1. the most important
        the most important 1 December 2022 17: 17
        +7
        Quote: Murmur 55
        Well, it won't work without the president's decision, what exactly do you expect from diplomats?

        Are the French swollen? Well, we must also answer them in the same way: inform them that work is beginning on the creation of a special tribunal and the consideration of their deeds in Africa. And there they did it! If you do not answer harshly, then they will devour, and if you answer, they will choke.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 1 December 2022 17: 42
          +9
          Quote: the most important
          Well, we must also answer them in the same way: inform them that work is beginning on the creation of a special tribunal and the consideration of their deeds in Africa.

          "Do not go children to Africa for a walk .."
          You don't have to go that far. Civilians have been killed in eastern Ukraine for years
          Western weapons supplied to the Ukrainian terrorist junta.
          There is only one question: why the Kyiv junta has not yet been recognized by Russia as a terrorist?!
          And its sponsors are sponsors of terrorism.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 1 December 2022 18: 11
            +11
            There is only one question: why the Kyiv junta has not yet been recognized by Russia as a terrorist?!
            And its sponsors are sponsors of terrorism.
            Nothing personal, just business.
            1. kartantirambler.ru
              kartantirambler.ru 2 December 2022 13: 35
              +1
              The main terrorists are the USA. And throughout their terrorist establishment, together with the Ukrofascists, a tribunal is needed, which should hang the entire US Congress, the presidential administration, the leadership of the Pentagon, the CIA and the NSA. - For Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine. They must also answer for the 15 million deaths from covid with the payment of reparations to all states.
      2. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 1 December 2022 17: 21
        +3
        So the article is not about the Foreign Ministry, but the statement of Mr. Peskov. And he should voice the decisions of the Kremlin. Well, and also a representative to the UN, Nebenzya. I think that we should organize our own tribunal.
        1. mark1
          mark1 1 December 2022 17: 39
          +4
          Quote: dmi.pris
          I believe that we should organize our own tribunal.

          And create an institution of performers, otherwise there will be no point.
        2. solar
          solar 1 December 2022 17: 49
          +2
          In order for the tribunal to be considered seriously, the UN needs to vote for its creation. And now the situation is such that the UN General Assembly is quite capable of voting for such a tribunal with the support of the International Criminal Court, no matter how Nebenzya puffs out his cheeks. This is pure work of diplomats.
          1. poquello
            poquello 1 December 2022 23: 25
            +2
            Quote from solar
            it is necessary that the UN voted for its creation.

            United Nations Security Council hello girls
      3. solar
        solar 1 December 2022 17: 45
        +6
        Diplomats do not exist to knock on the podium with their boots. Their task is to find the necessary arguments in order to win over to their side. How did the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, for example. It is already known that initially Germany was against providing assistance to Ukraine and wanted to get by with general words. But then the situation changed dramatically.
        Another failure of Lavrov's department.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 1 December 2022 18: 15
          +6
          How, for example, did the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany

          I doubt very much that the Clown Miller did it. In my opinion, no one in Germany was going to talk to him at all. Germany most likely received a control effect due to a puddle.
          1. solar
            solar 1 December 2022 18: 26
            -2
            How to know. He played on public opinion, showing a good knowledge of local realities. Even if there was pressure from across the ocean, its result also manifested itself very clearly, it was not in vain that the Scholites reacted sharply to it.
        2. poquello
          poquello 1 December 2022 23: 27
          +2
          Quote from solar
          like this, for example, did the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany.

          don’t tell my slippers, Scholz received a pendel from the USA and ran
      4. poquello
        poquello 1 December 2022 19: 55
        -3
        Quote: Murmur 55
        What exactly do you expect from diplomats?

        from the UK and politicians, when some kind of "international" court was going to deal with violations of the Americans, the US prezik promised to catch the judges and imprison them according to the laws of the United States, the judges very quickly changed their minds because it was not the first US that catches and imprisons someone, well, it's time to
      5. AAK
        AAK 1 December 2022 20: 39
        0
        We do not expect anything new from diplomats, including their HEAD, or personally from Mr. PRESS-SECRETARY, or from other endowed comrades.
      6. Sergey3
        Sergey3 1 December 2022 20: 44
        +1
        A complete ban at the legislative level of any transactions using the dollar and the euro.
      7. Two diplomas
        Two diplomas 2 December 2022 13: 24
        -1
        This is now a form of masochism. Admire the circus with horses for 30 years, grow old, get a bunch of injuries, get a medical card the size of "War and Peace" and continue to ask the same question to the circus director: "And when, actually, to the people in front, and to the oligarchs back?" and receive the same answer to it, both in the FPV, in the VHF, and now.
      8. Evil 55
        Evil 55 2 December 2022 15: 05
        +1
        What is our answer? We will also bend under the Wild West, swallow and retreat to the Urals, or nevertheless we will begin to think and act for the future of Our State, and not those countries in which funds and real estate of a certain category of Celestials are stored .. hi
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 1 December 2022 17: 14
      +18
      Quote: dmi.pris
      I don't understand where the hardness is?

      in bulging eyes..
      1. Two diplomas
        Two diplomas 2 December 2022 13: 25
        -1
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: dmi.pris
        I don't understand where the hardness is?

        in bulging eyes..

        Looks like he shaved his mustache...
    3. Myths
      Myths 1 December 2022 17: 17
      -4
      Another nail in a possible relationship with Russia. This is not a tribunal but a circus performance. Knowingly to judge, and even on sham cases, is directly the apogee of European law. And 404 they do not want to judge for the blood on the Maidan, for the shelling of civilians? After such actions, they will forever bury the concept of law in Europe, and so few people now believe it. So by such actions they bury themselves more.
      1. sadam2
        sadam2 1 December 2022 18: 34
        0
        Now a slightly different scale to remember about the Maidan and Odessa. You are not embarrassed by 20 thousand civilians who were taken to the pit in Mariupol. Millions without heat now sit in the winter. We were recognized as terrorists. Simonyan Skabeeva began to speak for The Hague if we lose. This is how our Nuremberg over the Nazis, after 9 months, smoothly flowed into the Kremlin tribunal
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 1 December 2022 19: 17
          +1
          Now a slightly different scale to remember about the Maidan and Odessa

          Serious crimes, such as murders, are not evaluated by such judgments about what the scale is now. Killers must be held accountable for their actions. Covering 8 years of massacres? So you are their accomplices, and forget that you have the right to judge someone. You will be judged on the battlefield, by the right of the strong. All other possibilities you rejected yourself.
      2. poquello
        poquello 1 December 2022 23: 30
        0
        Quote from Mitos
        Another nail in a possible relationship with Russia. This is not a tribunal but a circus performance. Knowingly to judge, and even on sham cases, is directly the apogee of European law. And 404 they do not want to judge for the blood on the Maidan, for the shelling of civilians? After such actions, they will forever bury the concept of law in Europe, and so few people now believe it. So by such actions they bury themselves more.

        so there was already such a moment in history when there were no rights in Europe
    4. ARIONkrsk
      ARIONkrsk 1 December 2022 17: 38
      +12
      Quote: dmi.pris
      I didn’t understand where the toughness is? The result of the widely announced and then quickly deflated tribunal in Donetsk

      This is another warm-up, our hawk Medvedev will speak out harshly, then they will definitely understand that we are tough hi
    5. mark1
      mark1 1 December 2022 18: 07
      +4
      Quote: dmi.pris
      I don't understand where the hardness is?

      "... you that.. don't play around!" (Gentlemen of fortune)
      like so.
    6. Cap.nemo58rus
      Cap.nemo58rus 1 December 2022 18: 59
      0
      That's for sure ... For a long time it was necessary to anoint all the captured "hirings" with green paint on their foreheads. But... request
      1. Cap.nemo58rus
        Cap.nemo58rus 1 December 2022 21: 02
        +1
        Judging by the minuses, all the "hirings" are already on the VO website. laughing
        1. Cap.nemo58rus
          Cap.nemo58rus 2 December 2022 10: 57
          +2
          And they must be in the underworld! am Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment and, according to the site administration, does not carry useful information. Yes, write simply - I d ... y .. ak. Hello smart enough site administration! wink
  2. Igor Pushkino
    Igor Pushkino 1 December 2022 17: 08
    +3
    To prevent this from happening: you need to finish with the outskirts.
    1. AAK
      AAK 1 December 2022 20: 43
      0
      That's right!, first we level the wasteland on the outskirts with a bulldozer and other machines, remove all the garbage, and then you can build ... only the foreman must remember, it is necessary to level and clean, otherwise the construction will not work ...
  3. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 17: 12
    +10
    Well, they responded, and then what?
    They got scared and abandoned this idea?
    We ourselves had to not chew snot, but organize our own tribunal and already NOW hold open meetings.
    Instead of waiting for us to finish the operation, and only then ... how will we give it.
    We are late all the time.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 1 December 2022 17: 46
      0
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Instead of waiting for us to finish the operation, and only then ... how will we give it.

      We won't give anything.
      If the legislation of the annexed republics is adapted to the Russian one, then there will be no hint of the death penalty.
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 1 December 2022 17: 50
      +5
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      We are late all the time.


      This is a feature of our government, constantly being late with decisions ... when there was an opportunity in 2014 to decide the fate of Donbass and the Russian-speaking South-East of Ukraine, they postponed it.

      In 2015-2016, when it became clear that Ukraine was rearming and the guarantors frankly relied on the Minsk agreements, it was necessary to withdraw from the agreement and solve the problem differently ... but again they dragged it out.

      And what about the frozen assets of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation? Is it really not enough time since 2014 to withdraw finances? And so it is in everything .... we are all abandoning the dollar, and only in 2022 did some progress begin, and then not in all directions) but import substitution? There were such plans, such statements ... in the end, it all came down to parallel imports and dependence on the PRC in many industries, but it’s expensive and apparently irrelevant. etc. late everywhere...
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 17: 59
        +2
        The correct examples were given and this is only a small part.
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 1 December 2022 18: 28
        +4
        It was impossible to expect anything else from changing the role of the leader of the socialist world to the role of a capitalist rump. The tops are afraid of a reverse change in the development vector like Koschey needles.
        When the soul is sold to a golden calf, the sale of the Motherland is already a trifle.
        DS: Re-education is impossible.
        Only "update" is possible.
  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 17: 13
    +5
    The Kremlin reacted harshly to the attempts of the West to create a special tribunal for Ukraine
    how hard is that?!
    they banged their fists on the table, or they frowned, no, they probably expressed concern?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 December 2022 17: 24
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      they banged their fists on the table, or they frowned, no, they probably expressed concern?

      I remembered ...
      To show who was the boss in the house, the neighbor poked the cat's nose into the documents for the apartment for three hours.
      And it would be necessary once and at the same time ... To start blowing bubbles. Red.
      1. seamen2
        seamen2 1 December 2022 20: 07
        0
        *To show who is the boss in the house, the neighbor poked the cat with his nose into the documents for the apartment for three hours*.
        it came to the sand that it was his comrades who were preparing him for the role of a cat.
        and the cat will not be able to * agree *. Or gouge out your neighbor's eyes. or..
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 1 December 2022 18: 30
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      how hard is that?!
      they banged their fists on the table, or they frowned, no, they probably expressed concern?

      And that in a whisper, so that they would not hear over the hill.
    3. AdAstra
      AdAstra 1 December 2022 19: 00
      0
      Drawn a red line. """"""
  5. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 1 December 2022 17: 14
    -2
    This is a clear example of what the Western world calls the "international order", the rules of which it constantly crushes under itself, as it pleases.
    So they don't hide anymore. In every speech, they say that we break some kind of "rules". I don't know how it is in other languages, but in English, for all its poverty, "law" and "rules" are definitely different words.
    We used to live according to "international law", now they are trying to force us to live according to the "international rules" they invented. They did not believe Putin, stupid, when he told them about it.

    Well... Let them try. We have already seen those who introduced the "new order".
    And these will be there. They themselves will be surprised when they race to carry out "deNATOization" and disown their "rules" - "NATO comes and goes, but Europe remains." We have heard this too.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 17: 23
      +7
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Well... Let them try.

      they do not try, they do it and unfortunately very successfully
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 December 2022 17: 41
        -3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Well... Let them try.

        they do not try, they do it and unfortunately very successfully

        Is it already over? Have we already been defeated, crushed? Have we signed a surrender? Tribunal and indemnity?
        Maybe I missed something?

        Napoleon was also in Moscow. And there were Poles. And the Germans reached Stalingrad. It just didn't help them.
        And that won't help.

        The war is not over yet - and I don't even mean Ukraine. The small-town trial that they are trying to organize is not yet a tribunal. And the stolen 300 lard is not an indemnity.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 18: 52
          -1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Is it already over? Have we already been defeated, crushed? Have we signed a surrender? Tribunal and indemnity?
          Maybe I missed something?

          well, for example, in sports we have already been kicked out from everywhere, 300 lard have been squeezed out, is that right or have I missed something?
      2. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 18: 09
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Well... Let them try.

        they do not try, they do it and unfortunately very successfully

        No...not successful. They didn't get what they planned.
        And only they created a lot of problems for themselves that they do not know how to solve.
        They need to solve other problems, but they toil with foolishness, a tribunal, the ninth package and other nonsense.
        It is not in vain how to get out of the impasse where they drive themselves more and more, instead of actions, they depict vigorous activity.
        They only make their situation worse.
        Success is completely different .... it is the United States that is successfully destroying Europe.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 18: 52
          -1
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          No...not successful. They didn't get what they planned.

          Come on, what did they plan and what didn't work out?
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 19: 29
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            No...not successful. They didn't get what they planned.

            Come on, what did they plan and what didn't work out?

            Judging by what questions you ask, you are not tracking anything.
            Lots of material, read on. They do not hide their goals.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 19: 48
              -3
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              You ask You don't track anything.
              Lots of material, read on. They do not hide their goals.
              well, enlighten the not gifted
              what didn't they do?
              they squeezed out the money, now they are officially confiscating it, they are squeezing it out of international institutions, and so far successfully
              that does not work?!!!
              specifically and point by point
              1. Ulan.1812
                Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 20: 03
                -1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Quote: Ulan.1812
                You ask You don't track anything.
                Lots of material, read on. They do not hide their goals.
                well, enlighten the not gifted
                what didn't they do?
                they squeezed out the money, now they are officially confiscating it, they are squeezing it out of international institutions, and so far successfully
                that does not work?!!!
                specifically and point by point

                Listen, you have nothing to do or decided to troll me?
                You probably know this, but you are pushing me to write a detailed message, and then ask more and more questions again.
                In vain you expect that I will be drawn into empty chatter.
                I have no doubt that you are an intelligent and adult person, therefore you can type in a search engine what goals the West is pursuing in the war in Ukraine.
                One of which you probably know about is the collapse of the Russian economy.
                I hope you could not help but hear about this from Mishustin and Putin and many others.
                It did not work out, they did worse to themselves, which they clearly did not count on.
                Well, the rest yourself. Success.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 21: 21
                  -3
                  Quote: Ulan.1812
                  I have no doubt that you are a smart and adult person, therefore you can type in a search engine

                  I can type a lot in the search engine, the work is like this
                  but apparently you are really not in the subject, there is NO WEST and everyone has completely different goals in this situation
                  so all the same, what did not work out in this situation, for example, in the USA?!!!!
                  clearly and without smearing the goats on the plate!
                  1. Ulan.1812
                    Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 21: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: Ulan.1812
                    I have no doubt that you are a smart and adult person, therefore you can type in a search engine

                    I can type a lot in the search engine, the work is like this
                    but apparently you are really not in the subject, there is NO WEST and everyone has completely different goals in this situation
                    so all the same, what did not work out in this situation, for example, in the USA?!!!!
                    clearly and without smearing the goats on the plate!

                    Hamit, please? After all, can I answer, mister specialist in goats? Didn't your parents teach you to be polite to strangers as a child?
                    Do you think that the West had no goals? Well, be it your way, you could not challenge the economic goals, you pretended not to notice.
                    I will not argue, remain confident that the West provoked this war from nothing to do. So ... we went out for a walk.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 22: 00
                      -4
                      Quote: Ulan.1812
                      Hamit, please?
                      and you weren’t taught to prove your statements, sorry, I didn’t insult you, I asked without smearing, but that’s exactly what you are doing
                      Quote: Ulan.1812
                      After all, can I answer, mister specialist in goats?

                      can you answer
                      Quote: Ulan.1812
                      Do you think that the West had no goals?

                      once again, there is not any GENERAL West, the goals of the USA were quite to themselves and are quite fulfilled, the economy and industry of Europe are in the pen, finances and production are running towards them, Russia is at war, so if not all, then very many US goals have been achieved
                      Quote: Ulan.1812
                      Well, be it your way, you could not challenge the economic goals, you pretended not to notice.

                      people who like to drown for everything good against everything bad enrage me, but as soon as you ask for specifics, they begin to take offense and translate the arrows
                      Quote: Ulan.1812
                      I will not argue, remain confident that the West provoked this war from nothing to do. So ... we went out for a walk.

                      once again for those who are in the tank
                      can you voice the goals of the "west" (although as I wrote above in this conflict, ALL have different goals) and which of them have not been achieved?!!!
                      sorry, but until you clearly describe it, there is no sense in discussing the word at all
                      1. Ulan.1812
                        Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 22: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        Hamit, please?
                        and you weren’t taught to prove your statements, sorry, I didn’t insult you, I asked without smearing, but that’s exactly what you are doing
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        After all, can I answer, mister specialist in goats?

                        can you answer
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        Do you think that the West had no goals?

                        once again, there is not any GENERAL West, the goals of the USA were quite to themselves and are quite fulfilled, the economy and industry of Europe are in the pen, finances and production are running towards them, Russia is at war, so if not all, then very many US goals have been achieved
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        Well, be it your way, you could not challenge the economic goals, you pretended not to notice.

                        people who like to drown for everything good against everything bad enrage me, but as soon as you ask for specifics, they begin to take offense and translate the arrows
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        I will not argue, remain confident that the West provoked this war from nothing to do. So ... we went out for a walk.

                        once again for those who are in the tank
                        can you voice the goals of the "west" (although as I wrote above in this conflict, ALL have different goals) and which of them have not been achieved?!!!
                        sorry, but until you clearly describe it, there is no sense in discussing the word at all

                        Provoking a response so that I get a warning?
                        You are probably the only one who is not aware that Europe is under the complete control of the United States. This means that it does everything that the United States requires, even to the detriment of itself.
                        Are you freaking out? Well, rage, only be more careful you can end up in a specific institution.
                        Once again... boy, don't be rude to adults.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 23: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        This means that it does everything that the United States requires, even to the detriment of itself.

                        listen, can you clearly formulate your thoughts ?!
                        once again, what has the USA not achieved?!
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        Once again... boy, don't be rude to adults.

                        At my age, being called a boy is already a compliment. laughing

                        and yet you have enough knowledge to JUSTIFY your statements with examples, or will you play around and avoid direct answers?
                      3. Ulan.1812
                        Ulan.1812 2 December 2022 00: 00
                        -1
                        Compared to me, of course a boy.
                        I have answered enough. If you don't like it, it's your problem.
                        If you have a bad memory, then I will remind you that I was not going to give you a detailed answer, about which I directly wrote and cited only one fact, saying that you will find the rest yourself, if you wish, that there is enough information.
                        But you wanted to prove something, apparently some kind of mythical superiority, the magic of greatness, itched.
                        And they took something out about the plans of the United States, for some reason deciding that this is some kind of unique knowledge that is known only to you.
                        Although all this has been repeatedly written here and discussed, who just didn’t talk about it and Putin and Lavrov and Nebenzya and others, but apparently for you it passed by.
                        So, my dear, you didn’t tell anyone anything new, and ALL participants in VO know this very well.
                        But to reassure you, you can consider that I am the only one who does not know this, that no sources of information are available to me, that you are the only owner of unique knowledge,
                        that you "defeated" me, proved your "superiority" over some "collective farmer" who dared to write something to you great.
                        So calm down, take a pill so as not to get mad, and with a sense of accomplishment go bye.
                        You are the "winner" really is not clear what. lol
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2022 00: 14
                        -2
                        Are you 70 years old grandpa?
                        there is no intelligible answer and evidence of your statement from the word at all, therefore, I see no reason to waste my time on empty chatter with a person who is not even able to simply formulate his statements
                        all the best, grandpa laughing
                      5. Ulan.1812
                        Ulan.1812 2 December 2022 02: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Are you 70 years old grandpa?
                        there is no intelligible answer and evidence of your statement from the word at all, therefore, I see no reason to waste my time on empty chatter with a person who is not even able to simply formulate his statements
                        all the best, grandpa laughing

                        It's like you have an empty chatter to scratch
                        wounded self-esteem.
                        And you do not get sick granddaughters.
                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2022 09: 33
                        -1
                        tired
                        once again, you can clearly and clearly tell what the "west" in the face of the United States wanted and what it did not achieve, if you are not able to formulate, then calm down
                      7. Ulan.1812
                        Ulan.1812 2 December 2022 12: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        tired
                        once again, you can clearly and clearly tell what the "west" in the face of the United States wanted and what it did not achieve, if you are not able to formulate, then calm down

                        Listen, you're really fed up. Return to the beginning of the conversation. Just let's not survive and arrogance.
                        There was an assertion that the West had achieved all its goals with respect to Russia.
                        To which I replied that they did not achieve anything. No goals. Then you climbed in and began to inquire about what goals the United States had.
                        I outlined one goal in relation to the Russian economy, and as far as I understood, this did not cause any objections in you.
                        So was it? So.
                        I advised you to read the rest yourself, since there are enough materials on this topic and statements here on VO and from senior officials. It was? So.
                        I quite logically decided, hoping that you are an adult and educated person, you can read everything yourself, so that I don’t repeat everything that was written before me and continue the correspondence.
                        But you resisted and continued to insist, I don’t know for what purpose.
                        Apparently to prove that you have some kind of unique information that is not available to others and hurt me and prove some kind of superiority, and even get nasty with goats.
                        I don't think anyone would like it.
                        But I must say you managed to drag me into empty chatter.
                        Then you yourself outlined some US goals in relation to Europe.
                        So? So.
                        True, you did not voice anything new, so that others would not say it to you in you on VO.
                        So, dear, initially it was about the goals of the West in relation to Russia.
                        And not the US in relation to Europe. This is a different issue.
                        Since the US and Europe act in concert with respect to Russia, I wrote the West without dividing.
                        And now let's go back to the beginning of what they did not achieve and how the conversation began.
                        I have already spoken about the economy. They did not achieve a quick collapse and collapse of the Russian economy.
                        So? So. Of course, they gave us some problems, but the Russian economy has not only survived, but is even developing in separate directions.
                        For other goals that they have not achieved.
                        Russia's isolation failed. And this is a fact too.
                        Even those 40 countries of US vassals, despite their sanctions, CONTINUE to trade with us and with some turnovers are growing.
                        And that's a fact. Since the time of sanctions for Crimea, business has learned how to bypass sanctions.
                        So the dreams of the West about isolating Russia turned out to be zilch. So? So.
                        Another goal was to rock Russia from the inside to cause discontent among the Russians, protests in order to change the government.
                        They thought that the fifth column would help.
                        Did not work out. So? So.
                        Although I think the attempts will continue.
                        Further. It was also not possible to defeat Russia on the battlefield, which they dreamed of and constantly talked about it. So? So.
                        And they themselves already admit it and talk more and more about negotiations.
                        I hope I wrote in sufficient detail what they did not achieve and what were their goals.
                        Although all this is in order to at least weaken Russia and, as they say, put it in a stall, and ruin it to the maximum.
                        Oh yeah... something they did, as you said, kick us out of the sport.
                        But I think you will not argue that this will not affect the viability and stability of the country in any way. Unpleasant of course, but no more.
                        By the way, not everywhere and thrown out. For example, our athletes participate in tennis.
                        They also blew up gas pipelines. But this is rather the goal of the United States in relation to Europe, to put it on expensive liquefied gas from the United States.
                        Of course, this is not pleasant for us, but not fatal. Oddly enough, the supply of our liquefied gas to Europe has increased. Seems like 40%.
                        Europe continues to receive our gas through Turkey and Ukraine. And we increased deliveries to the Asia-Pacific region.
                        And due to the rise in prices, we have practically lost nothing in income. Even gold reserves are growing. Which, thank God, is no longer placed in Western banks.
                        Yes, they also stole 300 billion. But again, this will not lead to the collapse of the economy and Russia.
                        And rather, it’s not their merit, but our officials from the economic bloc
                        Well, I don't know what else to write.
                        You can refute the facts I have cited .... you have the right. But that doesn't stop them from being facts.
                        Painted in detail on the points and from the very beginning with which the whole conversation began.
                        Once again, talking about US goals in relation to Europe is separate, although related.
                        And yet, I don’t feel any negativity towards you personally and I respect your opinion, just express it more politely towards the interlocutor.
                        All the best.
                      8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2022 12: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        There was an assertion that the West had achieved all its goals with respect to Russia.
                        To which I replied that they did not achieve anything. No goals.

                        well, this is frank nonsense, and what’s more, you are not able to substantiate it
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        But this is rather the goal of the United States in relation to Europe, to put it on expensive liquefied gas from the United States.

                        so the United States did not achieve any goals !!!!
                        you either take off the cross ...
                        in addition to ousting the Russian Federation from the gas market to Europe, there are still a lot of achieved goals that you don’t want to see point-blank, for what reason I don’t know
                      9. Ulan.1812
                        Ulan.1812 2 December 2022 12: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        There was an assertion that the West had achieved all its goals with respect to Russia.
                        To which I replied that they did not achieve anything. No goals.

                        well, this is frank nonsense, and what’s more, you are not able to substantiate it
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        But this is rather the goal of the United States in relation to Europe, to put it on expensive liquefied gas from the United States.

                        so the United States did not achieve any goals !!!!
                        you either take off the cross ...
                        in addition to ousting the Russian Federation from the gas market to Europe, there are still a lot of achieved goals that you don’t want to see point-blank, for what reason I don’t know

                        Are you able to read this? Or bad eyesight?
                        Brad is yours. Having failed to object anything, you continue to fill in.
                        In short, the garden, the beads are over for you. There are also such inadequate ones, about Foma to him, and he about Yerema. On your own wave.
                      10. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2022 12: 45
                        -1
                        of course, "grandfather", go play dominoes, analysis and analytics is not for you
                        ps refute (argued) at least one of my statements in a state?
                      11. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2022 12: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        Once again, talking about US goals in relation to Europe is separate, although related.

                        Yes, it’s not a separate one, and if you don’t understand this, then don’t get into the fight, the United States is solving YOUR GLOBAL problems, which include this issue
                        thanks to the conflict, they launched their military-industrial complex to the fullest, fucked Europe, drove Russia into a military conflict, ousted Russia from some international institutions, stole money, solved a lot of problems in financial and industrial areas
                      12. Ulan.1812
                        Ulan.1812 2 December 2022 12: 45
                        0
                        Well... a clinic. You don’t understand a damn thing and you are trying to cross a snake and a hedgehog.
                        Once again, for the especially stupid, the conversation was ONLY about goals in Russia's relations, I listed this, you have nothing to object to and you began to lump everything together.
                        That's it, I'm tired of inadequate ... walk Vasya. Apparently if a person is a boor. tramway with Mary of the Greatness, then it's forever. Hello to your goats and change your panties more often.
  6. Nesvoy
    Nesvoy 1 December 2022 17: 17
    +5
    So we win, why did he get angry? The winner is not judged. Or is it not?
    1. Comrade I
      Comrade I 1 December 2022 17: 27
      +5
      Or is it not so?

      Is it about the winner or is it not judged?
  7. Tusv
    Tusv 1 December 2022 17: 19
    -5
    master of the Europeans. See Chinese cartoons. Russian troops in front, civilians behind. The levelermacht has civilians in front. Whom to judge? You will answer about Iran's insignificant penalty at the gates of the United States
  8. Nychego
    Nychego 1 December 2022 17: 19
    -1
    As one Gallic leader used to say, "Vae victis".
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 December 2022 17: 24
      -3
      Quote: Nychego
      "Vae victis"

      the problem is that the question is still open
      1. Nychego
        Nychego 3 December 2022 08: 31
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        question is still open

        And what, besides the "Wenck's army", is there still some wunderwaffe left that can save the inhabitants of the Reich Chancellery from Nuremberg 2.0?
  9. Battle Toads
    Battle Toads 1 December 2022 17: 21
    -1
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    Well, they responded, and then what?
    They got scared and abandoned this idea?
    We ourselves had to not chew snot, but organize our own tribunal and already NOW hold open meetings.
    Instead of waiting for us to finish the operation, and only then ... how will we give it.
    We are late all the time.


    Don't be late. Okay, organize your tribunal. Start holding public meetings.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 1 December 2022 17: 54
      +2
      Quote from BattleToads
      Don't be late. Okay, organize your tribunal. Start holding public meetings.

      Until the removal of capital from power, no one will do this
      And who will remove the capital, even if the "communists" are too lazy to do it?
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 1 December 2022 19: 12
      0
      Quote from BattleToads
      Don't be late. Okay, organize your tribunal. Start holding public meetings.

      Alas. We have a right state. You can't just organize a Tribunal like that
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 19: 32
        0
        Quote: Tusv
        Quote from BattleToads
        Don't be late. Okay, organize your tribunal. Start holding public meetings.

        Alas. We have a right state. You can't just organize a Tribunal like that

        The man wrote just to show off how witty he is.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 1 December 2022 19: 44
          +1
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          The man wrote just to show off how witty he is.

          Not. I just remember Biryulyovo. That's why I insist on the rule of law
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 19: 55
            0
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            The man wrote just to show off how witty he is.

            Not. I just remember Biryulyovo. That's why I insist on the rule of law

            But who is against it, I am also only for it.
    3. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 19: 30
      -1
      Quote from BattleToads
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Well, they responded, and then what?
      They got scared and abandoned this idea?
      We ourselves had to not chew snot, but organize our own tribunal and already NOW hold open meetings.
      Instead of waiting for us to finish the operation, and only then ... how will we give it.
      We are late all the time.


      Don't be late. Okay, organize your tribunal. Start holding public meetings.

      Thanks for letting me know, I'll start on Monday.
  10. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 1 December 2022 17: 30
    +5
    Or maybe it's time to stop playing bargains - then there will be no tribunal.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 1 December 2022 17: 41
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir M
      Or maybe it's time to stop playing bargains - then there will be no tribunal.

      and business, loot then how?
      1. Vladimir M
        Vladimir M 1 December 2022 17: 45
        +4
        Then there is nothing to let snot about the tribunals. The whole world is already laughing about our "red lines".
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 19: 42
      0
      Quote: Vladimir M
      Or maybe it's time to stop playing bargains - then there will be no tribunal.

      And this too. And most importantly, you need to win in order to deprive them of their illusions.
  11. solar
    solar 1 December 2022 17: 39
    +2
    As far as any attempts on the part of the West to establish tribunals are concerned, they will definitely not have any legitimacy and will meet a tough rebuff from our side

    Is this his harsh answer? Mustache puffed up at the same time at least?
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 1 December 2022 19: 33
      -1
      Quote from solar
      As far as any attempts on the part of the West to establish tribunals are concerned, they will definitely not have any legitimacy and will meet a tough rebuff from our side

      Is this his harsh answer? Mustache puffed up at the same time at least?

      And his eyebrows frowned menacingly.,,,,
  12. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 1 December 2022 17: 40
    +5
    is it the Kremlin leaders call it tough? but how soft is that? lol
  13. Sedoy
    Sedoy 1 December 2022 17: 47
    +5
    they will definitely not have any legitimacy and will meet a tough rebuff from our side

    cast right in the granite... :)
    clowns still do not understand that in the case of an agreement, this is exactly what awaits them ...
    only the winner is not judged ...
  14. bombaher
    bombaher 1 December 2022 17: 48
    +2
    Why are marine optical cables not damaged by unknown ones from Europe and Britain, gas pipelines from Norway are not damaged?
  15. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 1 December 2022 17: 49
    +2
    I thought, as usual firmly replied that he did not know.
  16. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 1 December 2022 17: 59
    +1
    Russia should create a court for NATO crimes in Yugoslavia
  17. Vic Vic
    Vic Vic 1 December 2022 18: 06
    +2
    Interestingly, in international relations, is there a definition of the term "tough reaction"? If it exists, it would be interesting to know. If, for example, there is a legal definition of "hard reaction", then there should be definitions of both "soft reaction" and "semi-hard reaction".
    In my opinion, this is just an emotional expression, nothing more.
    In the view of the layman, a harsh reaction is to send the ambassador of an unfriendly country, to recall his own. Conduct, in relation to this case, your own tribunal (which we announced, but did not take place). Declaring war is also a harsh reaction. Anything below the rank, in my opinion, is somehow not at all tough ...
    1. solar
      solar 1 December 2022 18: 31
      +2
      in international relations, there is a definition of the term "tough reaction"

      of course have. The ambassador can be recalled for consultations, diplomats of the opposing side can be sent out, diplomatic relations can be broken as a last resort. There are more subtle options, but it depends on the level of diplomats.
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 1 December 2022 18: 08
    +3
    The Kremlin reacted harshly to the attempts of the West to create a special tribunal for Ukraine
    . So POFI!!! If earlier our liber fools hadn’t played giveaway with foreign ones, then we wouldn’t have to think / talk about this AT ALL.
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 1 December 2022 18: 13
    +4
    Well, they exchanged before .. Now, the criminals who were released and those who were not shot by sentence will begin to testify .. Original ..
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 1 December 2022 18: 25
    -2
    This is a clear example of what the Western world calls the "international order"


    Adolf Gitleg already tried to impose this "order" on Europe, now the impudent Saxons have taken up this. Everyone knows where the Fuhrer ended his fate, but a whole pack of such petty Fuhrers is now running around Europe and the world. It's time to start trapping rabid animals.
  21. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 1 December 2022 19: 02
    +1
    The title of the article categorically does not correspond to the real situation. Neither Nebenzya, who is melancholic to the point of indistinctness, nor, moreover, Peskov, who is always mumbling something to himself in an apologetic tone, cannot even be close to being rated as "hard".
  22. evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 December 2022 19: 02
    -1
    And what will they achieve with their tribunal - once again they will show their nonsense to the world and close any cooperation for a very long time, tourism will fly to zero first, followed by trade.
  23. iouris
    iouris 1 December 2022 20: 05
    -1
    "In the Kremlin" is Navka's husband. The special tribunal will sentence Navka to a special execution. This is serious. It's time to get up.
  24. Ural resident
    Ural resident 1 December 2022 20: 40
    0
    I don’t understand what our people are waiting for to create their own tribunal, since 2014 it had to be done. wow.. what the...
  25. Stoler
    Stoler 1 December 2022 23: 03
    -1
    "The Kremlin reacted harshly to the attempts of the West to create a special tribunal for Ukraine" A note of protest and a hard fart !!! lol
  26. Marson35
    Marson35 2 December 2022 01: 38
    -1
    Given the unclear and inconsistent policy of the Russian leadership (all sorts of gestures of goodwill, the return of the Azov scumbags home ...) an international tribunal in absentia, a very real picture ...
  27. Egor53
    Egor53 2 December 2022 15: 57
    0
    It is necessary to condemn all Russophobes in our courts to death. Regardless of whether they are US senators or functionaries of the State Department or the UN. Assign a monetary reward for their scalps, and in the literal sense. For the scalp of Boris Johnson, for example, 1 million pounds. I am sure that there are enough people who want to remove these scalps both in the USA and in the EU.
    US presidents, without exception, have ordered the assassination not only of terrorists like Bin Laden, but also of heads of state like Fidel Castro. They can, but can't we?
    With wolves live - wolf howl.
  28. Laki_Rusyn
    Laki_Rusyn 2 December 2022 16: 12
    0
    So the Westerns are trying to form special tribunal for Ukraine right? Ok then, why they don't prosecute first those beasts who were killing children in Donbass and Crimea in period 2014-2022?

    Oh yeah i forgot western democracy doesn't know for conscience of killed children...
  29. VladMirU
    VladMirU 2 December 2022 16: 13
    0
    Yeah ...... There is nowhere to be tougher ...... The text of your comment is not too short and, according to the site administration, carries enough useful information.
  30. VladMirU
    VladMirU 2 December 2022 16: 21
    0
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    We are late all the time.

    We are late all the time.
    We are late all the time.
    We are late all the time.