The Department of Defense continues to increase the constellation of satellites in orbit

The Ministry of Defense is actively building up its constellation of satellites, putting new spacecraft into orbit. The next launch of the carrier rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome took place on the night from Wednesday to Thursday. This was reported by the Ministry of Defense.

According to the report, the Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket with several military satellites was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome on December 1 after midnight. The preparation and launch of the rocket took place in the normal mode, the name and purpose of the spacecraft was not disclosed.

On December 1, 2022, from the Plesetsk cosmodrome (Arkhangelsk region), the combat crew of the space troops of the Aerospace Forces launched a Soyuz-2.1b medium-class launch vehicle with spacecraft in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense

- said in a statement.

The previous launch of the Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket from Plesetsk took place on November 28, when the rocket, using the Fregat upper stage, put one satellite into orbit in the interests of the military. The spacecraft was accepted for control of ground facilities of the Space Forces of the Aerospace Forces, it was assigned the serial number "Cosmos-2564". The spacecraft "Kosmos-2560", "Kosmos-2561" and "Kosmos-2562" were put into orbit in October, "Kosmos-2563" - on 2 November.

The military department does not disclose the purpose of the satellites of the Kosmos series, but the US believes that they are designed not only to monitor other satellites, but also to intercept them. The Pentagon does not rule out that the Kosmos satellites should in the future become an element of the Russian orbital constellation, fulfilling a deterrent role in the space military race.

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[white fall]

When a roasted rooster pecked, immediately 3 launches per month. And then nobody needs anything.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote from Whitefall

When a roasted rooster pecked, immediately 3 launches per month. And then nobody needs anything.

Nothing, nothing, now we will serve this rooster with a side dish on the table. With geranium.

[AVA77]

Uh-huh, right in the circle there is a young technician, the pioneers of rockets with satellites soldered and launches immediately began. And no one planned anything, just like that, the rooster pecked and the suit immediately flooded.

[Denis812]

That is why there are satellites in stock. To make an urgent launch during a threatening situation.
Why does this surprise you so much?

[AVA77]

Because they need carriers. What for satellites if there is nothing to launch them with.

[Denis812]

You will be surprised, but they make duplicates. Because they need to be launched in a threatened period

[AVA77]

I wonder how many Soyuz-2.1b warriors dubbed there just in case, I think so, probably about twenty at least there should be well, and satellites, respectively, and launch pads
Or, all the same, in such a case, it is more reliable to launch the same communication satellite from the mine, it seems to be already on the carrier and under steam.

[slipped]

Quote: AVA77

I wonder how many Soyuz-2.1b warriors dubbed there just in case, I think so, probably about twenty at least there should be well, and satellites, respectively, and launch pads

There are about fifty Soyuz-2 launch vehicles of various classes for various spacecraft in serial production. As new carriers are sent from the plant to the spaceports, new rockets are being laid, under new spacecraft. There are currently four active launch pads for the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.

Quote: AVA77

Or, all the same, in such a case, it is more reliable to launch the same communication satellite from the mine, it seems to be already on the carrier and under steam.

Communication spacecraft are delivered to the cosmodrome a month before launch. Within a month, they undergo maintenance and pre-launch tests.

[Whore18]

And in Russian, for normal people (infantry) can you explain?

[skeptic]

Quote: AVA77

Because they need carriers. What for satellites if there is nothing to launch them with.

Dont be upset. Now the "Voevod" is being changed, for new ones, and the old ones will carry more and more satellites. It would be nice to have "drono carriers" with "space geraniums" there.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Denis812

That's why there are satellites in stock

Yeah. There were a dozen more lying around in the pantry. Satellites are piece goods, and some take years to make.

[Denis812]

I don’t know a dozen or not, but since the days of the USSR there has been and is a reserve of satellites for early warning systems, photo reconnaissance and the like. And there are rocket launchers.
Or do you think that only tanks and stew are in the state reserve?
But of course, since satellites and launch vehicles are really expensive and more or less piece goods, there are just a few of them. At all. In order to urgently put into orbit during the threatened period.

[TerraSandera]

Of course not, there in a nearby hangar (somewhere) and a million kits of a warrior lies. In case of war.

[Denis812]

I highly doubt this is true.
A million sets is too much.
Here's a million AK-47s, it's easy. And a billion rounds of ammunition for them. This I can believe.
Or is it you

?

[TerraSandera]

More like sarcasm. They talked about the n-th number of sets of uniforms, which suddenly disappeared somewhere. Yes, for sure the bulk is not a warrior, but that's not the point. With an army of 1m. Should be 2-3 million. And not figures with slides and something else, but at least a warrior, of the first generations, we are already silent about the centurion, who is here. And about future legionnaires, etc.

[Denis812]

Quote: TerraSandera

With an army of 1m. Should be 2-3 million.

Who should?
If the army is lamas, then there should be 200 thousand sets.
Did you study storage standards?
In divisional warehouses, no more than 10-15% of the allowance of the division.
On the army up to 20%.
Moreover, in September, during the SVO, there was an order to disorder storage so that the warehouses were smaller. And they allocated many more cars for delivery.

At the same time, no strategic weapons are stored at the div/army level.
Tanks, cars, machine guns, art - yes.
And the strategic warehouses that we have in three well-known places, yes, there are deposits of good up to the neck.
Well, also separate objects for nuclear weapons / state communications and similar things

[TerraSandera]

As a result of the LDNR in helmets of 40+ years without armor. As I understand it, the forms were exactly for those 150 thousand? At the beginning of the special operation. Let's see what's on mobilization. But as you can see, since Iranian, Chinese armor and helmets, of a dubious class, began to be massively purchased, the report came out about 1.5 million uniforms, but in real life they scraped together no more than an active group at the beginning. Yes, and the same Russian Guard probably does not enter there, since the equipment for the class is better. Marvelous.

[Romanenko]

Quote: "The Pentagon does not exclude that the Kosmos satellites should in the future become an element of the Russian orbital group, performing a deterrent role"
It's high time to put watchmen over our territory, preferably with "batons", someone else started to hooligan - they warned the owner, did not understand, they blocked it, started to rage - they lowered it from orbit.
It looks like the Anglo-Saxon version of democratic coexistence will not take root in space either - it is painfully one-sided.

[Denis812]

How do you imagine it? Shoot down everything that is not ours from the surface to the edge of the universe?
If a satellite flies outside the country's airspace, then why can it be shot down?
Or do you propose giving the States the right to shoot down our early warning satellites?
And what to do with the ISS?
Basically, I'm not opposed to your idea. I also don’t want anyone to take photos of the Russian Federation. But to extend the sovereignty of the Russian Federation to the infinity of space above it is somehow strange :)

[sergan m]

To build up is a very loud description. In 1988, only our first department of the Baikonur Cosmodrome launched 38 spacecraft. 117 in just one year. In the Russian Federation, 27 were launched last year. Very weakly.

[Smoker]

we are talking about military satellites .. For the 22nd year, to date, 13 launches have been made in the interests of the RF Ministry of Defense and 15 satellites have been launched into orbit (all successfully) Glonass-M was launched on November 28 .. They are preparing to deploy the Glonass-K system (10 October 4th satellite was launched, it is also the first full-time one) - Everything for guidance, accurate guidance of missiles ... There are also satellites for optical reconnaissance and not only ..
It is not worth comparing with 1988 - then more cast iron, steel, cement were produced ... but this did not help the country much ..

[AVA77]

In 1988, photo reconnaissance satellites were still being used with might and main, you like it or not, you need a whole bunch of them.

[Disant]

sergan,m (Sergey)
In 1988, only our first department of the Baikonur Cosmodrome launched 38 spacecraft. 117 in just one year.

yes, there were only 20 pieces of photographic reconnaissance satellites that were launched that year, which photographed for ten days in orbit, and then landed them.
and now one launch will block all 20 of those years.

[Alexey Lantukh]

The service life of purely our satellites is 3-5 times less than American ones. For this reason, they need to be run more often. Yes, and photographic reconnaissance satellites until the 2000s worked on photographic film, unlike the American ones, which switched to digital matrices. So, with satellites, we are lagging behind, unfortunately.

[slipped]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

The service life of purely our satellites is 3-5 times less than American ones.

Wrong statement. The oldest satellites of the GLONASS constellation have been flying and operating for almost 15 years, with a seven-year warranty period. The commercial communication satellite Sesat has worked for 17 years, with a warranty period of 10 years. The space observatory "Radioastron" has worked for 7,5 years with a five-year warranty period, the same applies to remote sensing devices "Kanopus".

At the same time, "childhood illnesses" are possible on new spacecraft, leading to a reduction in their flight time and which are then eliminated in subsequent spacecraft of this series.

On average, now our spacecraft for applied purposes are oriented towards 10-15 years of active life (SAS).

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

So, with satellites, we are lagging behind, unfortunately.

We are lagging behind in large-scale production of the same type of spacecraft, which has long been established in the United States and China. All of our spacecraft are produced in small batches - in experimental design production.

The conveyor will be ready for the series no earlier than 2025. First of all, these are serial small spacecraft of the Sphere project.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

The service life of purely our satellites is 3-5 times less than American ones.

Wrong statement. The oldest satellites of the GLONASS constellation have been flying and operating for almost 15 years, with a seven-year warranty period. The commercial communication satellite Sesat has worked for 17 years, with a warranty period of 10 years. The space observatory "Radioastron" has worked for 7,5 years with a five-year warranty period, the same applies to remote sensing devices "Kanopus".

At the same time, "childhood illnesses" are possible on new spacecraft, leading to a reduction in their flight time and which are then eliminated in subsequent spacecraft of this series.

On average, now our spacecraft for applied purposes are oriented towards 10-15 years of active life (SAS).

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

So, with satellites, we are lagging behind, unfortunately.

We are lagging behind in large-scale production of the same type of spacecraft, which has long been established in the United States and China. All of our spacecraft are produced in small batches - in experimental design production.

The conveyor will be ready for the series no earlier than 2025. First of all, these are serial small spacecraft of the Sphere project.

So we are late again. I don’t think that they couldn’t do it before, most likely everything depends on funding.

[slipped]

Quote: Ulan.1812

So we are late again. I don’t think that they couldn’t do it before, most likely everything depends on funding.

Everything rests primarily on production capabilities and personnel for them. Well, financing is required as it was supposed in the project, without annual sequesters. In addition, the transition to the domestic element base in new platforms takes time. The first serial small spacecraft of the Marathon satellite-instrument type will be made and will fly in 2024.

But next year, 2023, we must launch all the "tails" of civilian spacecraft, including radar, meteorological and scientific spacecraft, the launch of which was shifted from this year for various reasons. Including AMS "Luna-25" to the Moon.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: slipped

Quote: Ulan.1812

So we are late again. I don’t think that they couldn’t do it before, most likely everything depends on funding.

Everything rests primarily on production capabilities and personnel for them. Well, financing is required as it was supposed in the project, without annual sequesters. In addition, the transition to the domestic element base in new platforms takes time. The first serial small spacecraft of the Marathon satellite-instrument type will be made and will fly in 2024.

But next year, 2023, we must launch all the "tails" of civilian spacecraft, including radar, meteorological and scientific spacecraft, the launch of which was shifted from this year for various reasons. Including AMS "Luna-25" to the Moon.

Thank you for the information, it's nice to talk with a specialist ..

[Alexey Lantukh]

If we analyze the data on the operation of Russian civil spacecraft,
launched into orbit over the past 10 years, it turns out that the average actual lifetime is 38 months.
Given that, on average, the guaranteed service life should have been 62 months.
http://vestnik-glonass.ru/

[slipped]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

Given that, on average, the guaranteed service life should have been 62 months.

It's like the average temperature in the hospital or what?

Specify the spacecraft and see who and when was launched. The Russian constellation of spacecraft is more than 160 spacecraft and is increasing every year.

The oldest spacecraft in the Express-AM44 group of companies was launched in 2009 by the SAS - 10 years. In service - 12 years.

The oldest spacecraft in the Canopus grouping, spacecraft number 1, was launched in 2012, retired in 2020 with its CAC of 5 years. His classmate BKA, launched with him, is still in service for 11 years.

The oldest spacecraft in the Meteor-M grouping, spacecraft number 2, was launched in 2014. CAC - 5 years. In fact, it has been working for 8 years.

The oldest spacecraft in the Elektro-L grouping, spacecraft number 2, was launched in 2015. CAC - 7 years. Almost fulfilled its warranty and continues to work.

The oldest spacecraft in the Gazprom KS constellation, the Yamal-202 spacecraft, was launched on November 24, 2003 and has been in orbit for more than 20 years! Works.

I wrote about GLONASS above. The list goes on and on. There is no point.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Well, what can I say! I cited data on average service life from the named site, which is quite deserving of adequacy. And you provide data on the oldest isolated cases, and after all, some devices were launched into space, but did not work. By the way, in 6, a two-way communication session was made with the American interplanetary station Pioneer-2000. This Pioneer by this time was 35 years old. And the satellite "Yamal-202" in the most important details is built on imported components. Certainly not Chinese.

[slipped]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

Well, what can I say! I cited data on average service life from the named site, which is quite deserving of adequacy.

Wrong data. I told you - like the average temperature in the hospital. You are looking at real data on spacecraft.

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

And you give data on the oldest isolated cases,

I give data on groupings and the oldest devices in them. Can you tell me how long other devices in these groups have been working? It's easy for me. In 95% of cases, they work out their SAS at least.

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

and after all, some devices were launched into space, but did not work.

Single cases. Such as AMS "Phobos-Grunt" or spacecraft "Angosat". Our statistics are much better than those of other countries over the past decade. Recall, for example, the Chinese Chinasat-15, the American Zuma and Sirius SXM-7 or the Japanese space observatory Hitomi, which were successfully launched, but never worked.

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

By the way, with the American interplanetary station "Pioneer-6" ...

Does this have anything to do with the subject matter? We are talking about the period of active existence of applied Russian spacecraft, which today is 10-15 years, as I said earlier.

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

And the satellite "Yamal-202" in the most important details is built on imported components. Certainly not Chinese.

I will tell you a terrible secret - all spacecraft around the world have Taiwanese or Malaysian manufacturers in their components.

We have long since learned to assemble spacecraft on leaky platforms, which has dramatically increased the lifespan. Hermetic units also still remain, but are gradually being replaced by non-hermetic ones.

[Denis812]

Sergey, your logic is very strange.
Let me repeat it:
in 1944, 25+ thousand tanks were produced in the USSR.
In 2022, ~240 new tanks were produced in the Russian Federation.
Conclusion "VERY WEAK".
Do you really see it all?

[Leshak]

What can I say, better late than never.

[Saboteur_Navy]

I hope the salary in the industry for engineers, designers, programmers was raised? Have lawyers and economists been laid off?

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Have lawyers and economists been laid off?

Why didn't lawyers and economists please you? Will you send a programmer to protect the interests of the enterprise in arbitration? And instruct the instrumentation engineer to calculate the staffing and salary? I don't think it will last long...

[Saboteur_Navy]

At other enterprises there are too many of them, with a higher salary than design engineers and programmers, the Programmer travels from Ryazan to the center of Moscow by train, and lawyers and economists are taken from the entrance to the checkpoint in convenient transport .... Why is such a bias needed? What would lawyers save the bosses from a criminal case? Did economists come up with schemes for withdrawing funds?

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

What would lawyers save the bosses from a criminal case? Did economists come up with schemes for withdrawing funds?

For the purposes indicated by you, they hire personal lawyers and use personal consulting, but not those with whom they are connected with the staff list. For certain reasons ... But a good lawyer can close a multi-million dollar jamb in arbitration or win a competition for a tidy sum too. Idiots are not usually provided with personal transport. Today, even the hospital lives mostly on what they earn. And therefore, they are quickly freed from ballast in the state. Especially if you can give a good specialist a "personal" increase in salary.

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

The programmer travels from Ryazan to the center of Moscow by train, while lawyers and economists are taken from the entrance to the checkpoint in convenient transport

Are lawyers and economists also from Ryazan? By the way, even from Ryazan an intelligent programmer will be transported on a personal computer if he achieves the dependence (in the correct understanding) of the enterprise on his work with his own efforts.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Then I see that even in the best enterprise of the RCC Progress industry, the General Director, Deputy Director, Chief Engineer, where they were dragged by the best economist of the enterprise, the Director General's own daughter ... I went to an apartment on the Champs Elysees picked up ... Stop making me laugh
I talked with the creators of the UAV in Turkey, they don’t even have lawyers, by the way, the role of an economist is played by the owner of the company, but there are more programmers and design engineers than at Khrunichev and Progress combined, including those from Russia who work there ...
Yes, and any programmer should not live in Ryazan, but in the center of Moscow, because he deserves, otherwise there would be no satellites and in general any products in the industry ... A programmer by profession cannot be a fool ... And any enterprise depends on a programmer, only the head of the dude from journalism thinks differently ... There you either write or you don’t write, this is Mathematics
We have no talent, consumer attitude and no prospects for growth, the sons of former leaders from journalism come to positions who travel around the Donbass with Austrian Glock and American screw pistols, and not with PM and AK ... This is a complete scribe, but promoted AK to the warrior as vice prime minister, and advertises the Austrians and the United States

[Yuri747]

Why did lawyers / economists not please? Such programmers who get salaries an order of magnitude higher didn’t fucking rest, because many people grow hands from one place ... Maybe they should fire everyone and leave some programmers? You will be on full self-sufficiency and you will clean up the asshole ... !!! The programmer where is the normal axis, where is everything, where in the end is the interface bl * normal, and where are the solutions. As a lawyer I say that you would go to all 4 sides, what kind of code I can write without such brainless programmers too ... especially for simple things .. you are a fucking collaborator.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Your place is not in the military-industrial complex, but in the residential complex, you are needed there, and the military-industrial complex receives an order from the Moscow Region directly, lawyers are not needed there, well, people like you for sure

[vindigo]

The importance of Russian programmers is greatly exaggerated. Maybe where these "the best Russian programmers in the world" work, but not in Russian IT companies.

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

in the best enterprise of the industry RCC Progress sat behind bars General Director, Deputy Director, Chief Engineer, where they were dragged by the best economist of the enterprise, the daughter of the General Director

In sociology, a particular example neither confirms nor refutes anything. Even if it is at least 50% correct. If you are unlucky with your employer, this does not reflect the pattern in the industry, and even more so in the country. In addition to a bitter smile, your example causes nothing. The situation is generally assessed by the final "sausage" at the exit. And it, apparently, is still there, and of sufficient quality. Even in your example, all the same engineers "sat down" who were stealing, but did not think of using really high-class specialists as a cover. In general, this characterizes their qualities more. So it may be right that the programmer from Ryazan to Moscow on foot and goes to work by train Who knows how far from "landing"?

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

A programmer by profession cannot be a fool...

Can a "triple" lawyer, but a "triple" programmer can't? This is not a very correct, in my opinion, idea of ​​the world around you.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Are you far from the essence of understanding, and are you laughing at the flagship of the industry? Without the Union, the industry is nothing ... the media also wrote criminal cases against the entire leadership, look on the Internet, it’s not a secret, economists there helped buy machines at inflated prices, and who knows, maybe in secrecy and it would have failed if Daughter Gen the director didn’t start Spreading rot on some employee there, he wrote a complaint out of fear, and all the facts set forth in the complaint were confirmed, there was a sharp change in the contractor in favor of a lover ... What did the lawyers of the Excellent students do there, did they pass documents?
And imagine that a programmer, in fact, cannot be a three-year-old, otherwise the ship will fall ...
And who was in charge of the Voronezh aircraft plant, Ilyushen's flagship? Whose son? You are obscenely messy ... Therefore, the country has problems because of people like you, and, God forbid, sit in the leadership without realizing that a programmer and a coder cannot, in fact, be triplets in contrast to lawyers whose expert opinion is consistent with corruption schemes...
I’m already silent as leftist dissertations are written under the guise of secrecy ...

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

do you find it funny over the flagship of the industry?

Sorry, but it's not the flagship that's funny, but you with your claims to the ultimate truth.

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

And imagine that a programmer, in fact, cannot be a three-year-old, otherwise the ship will fall ...

Ships can not only fall, there can be a lot of other jambs, which we learn about only after some time has passed. And programmers have not only ships, but other software products that can work well, or maybe very crookedly. Discussing "Ilyushen" with you would be unacceptable stupidity and waste of time.

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Therefore, the country has problems because of people like you, and, God forbid, sit in the leadership without realizing that a programmer and a coder cannot, in fact, be triplets, unlike lawyers whose expert opinion is consistent with corruption schemes ....

The country often has problems because of arrogant "omnipotent know-it-alls" with exorbitant ambitions to teach everyone from scratch. Therefore, if you are silent about dissertations, then this is already correct. Sometimes silence, although not a sign of intelligence, is already evidence of the absence of stupidity. And yes, drink water and calm down. Do not give out your instructions to anyone what to do, then you will not hear where it would be more useful for you to shove them ...

[Saboteur_Navy]

Yes, the question is not outside, but in people like you who have built a system for your loved one. Well, everyone understands this, they want to live in the center of Moscow with the Patriarchs, teach children in London, and your self-soothing theses will not change the picture as a whole, because you don’t want to draw conclusions and change anything, you have privatized the comfort zone ... but I’m talking about that programmers of people not of this world, A programmer is a piece of goods, he understands and writes everything, tests and finishes his programs on the beach remotely selling them without problems having orders for 6 years in advance
And the system is stalling, the President is trying to fix it, and you are oppressing your line on the ground ... it's time to disperse you, the country does not need pests
And with the UAV, the problems are precisely because of you, at the front they understand this, stop scribbling here, roll up your sleeves and finally raise the salary of at least the design engineers, but the programmers won’t go to you anyway, they will go only if they respect themselves in the form of payment for them labor ... But you can’t be convinced, it means you don’t just need to be driven, but driven in the neck, I hope it will be so, but there’s no other way, for 8 years you fooled everyone’s heads and deceived that everything is OK with you

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Yes, the question is not outside, but in people like you who have built a system for your loved one.

You, obviously, from engineers, and therefore are weak in philosophy and other humanitarian applied disciplines. Because they did not understand what I told you earlier. There is no point in repeating. Do you believe in your own infallibility and the ability to grasp with your mind what you generally cannot imagine? Believe further .... you will disentangle the problems that you yourself create and create. I don't want to evaluate you somehow, I don't care. Do you see the whole system run by the President? Well, well ... It remains a little before Napoleon's cocked hat ...

[Saboteur_Navy]

In general, I said everything, it’s not for me to decide, it’s a shame for me for the State, in which the Fraudsters live better than honest people ...
What about Napoleon? At least he left the treasury behind him overflowing, the Louvre is bursting with works of art, according to his reform of government, the country still lives, and England after the Napoleonic Wars paid its debts for 30 years ...
Lawyers also know shitty history

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

I am sorry for the State, in which the Eyewashers live better than honest people ...

In short, you did not understand anything from what I told you. It's a pity.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Yes, I understood your message about ... Cyclicity and progressive development, not everything is critical ... And you also began to evaluate me ...
You see, I just look into the depths and see the problem far away... Where no one wants to study Mathematics in depth, and mathematics is the way to Programming and, by the way, to engineering... Why is Mathematics not popular? Does everyone want to become an official, a judge, a natariat? ...
I see you are not a bad person ... Sorry if I offended
Nevertheless, the son of the former leader is far from being a Mathematician, but moved to the Manager of the plant ... His own shirt ... Like, closer to the body. This is the essence of the problem in the absence of responsibility at the top, give them a comfort zone, an example is contagious, there are no deep people

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Does everyone want to become an official, a judge, a natariat? ..

I don't think it is. But I have to admit that in the period of rabid liberalism, many took the slogan "the market will put everything in its place" literally and as a dogma. Given that in the 90s, during the crisis, including higher education, "taking into account this very market, universities began to develop paid areas of study with minimal costs for the educational process. These movements have spawned a lot of not quite prepared lawyers, economists, managers of the state municipal administration and others who created a certain aura of "superfluous undereducated specialists". Somehow in the early 2000s I had to work for several years as a deputy general of the RCC. All of my waiters had a diploma of higher legal education . However, I would never say that lawyers and economists are superfluous details in the staff list. It's just hard to find sensible bet filling. As well as today, smart programmers in the ACS department. So believe me, not a single university will take place without C students, even with a super heavy sign.

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

the son of the former leader is far from being a mathematician, but was promoted to plant manager.

In the production management system, not today, but a long time ago, two points of view clashed. One - the head of production should be a specialist with a basic education in the main production, the other (western) - the main thing is that the head must understand how to work in the legal field of the state, and how to set up a break-even production process. Hence the different requirements for the set of competencies of the General Director. The most interesting thing is that in both models there are very successful companies, as well as outsiders. I don’t have the task of choosing a gender yet, so I limit myself to third-party observation.

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

Why is math not popular?

Here, I think, the role of the state is important. I have always believed that all good things need to be grafted and planted, because only manure itself sticks (simplified). In my Soviet childhood, I had interesting sections funded by the state - aircraft modeling, ship modeling, karting. We, the children, were called there, shown, one might say lured. The children who got there, as a rule, later in one way or another in life quite successfully mastered technical professions, and many in these areas went up in their careers. Do you remember the TV show "you can do it"? Homemade people were quite media personalities, almost like pop singers. It was a state policy in the field of promotion of honor to production. Today, this policy is not as pronounced as we would like. Here you have an impression that is not entirely blissful. However, in your statement that everyone dreams of a career as an official (I suspect in your performance the synonym will be "embezzlement", if not, I'm sorry) there is some inherent innate desire for unjustified enrichment, i.e. initially criminal (at least negative) intent. I think you are wrong. The state is not able to survive with a rampant criminal population.

[Saboteur_Navy]

I don’t know how it is now, but a little earlier than a year before 2012, good programmers were obtained from Mech-mat graduates ....
I'll try to briefly explain why. The very specificity of the Meh-mats meant that there, in the very first session under NG and after immediately, they often deducted up to 50%, the strongest and most diligent survived there, thus, in addition to knowledge, character was also tempered, and character is very necessary precisely for a totally painstaking and monotonous work ... I knew one girl, she became a leading programmer and ballistics engineer in the Boeing itself, although the connection was cut off a long time ago, apparently she got married, once ...

[hagen]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

in the very first session under NG and after immediately deducted often up to 50%,

Unfortunately, not many universities can decide on this. The paid contingent creates a serious financial support for the university. To let him under the knife is to lose funding.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Again, I don’t know how it is now, but at that time, law and psychological faculties brought financial profit to universities, there were no payers at Mekh-mat at all, there were those who relied on Mathematics in order to somehow break out into people, there were a lot of villagers, and demand is fierce...
Maybe something has changed now, I don’t know, because some Mathematicians and Mechanics left the country, especially a lot to the USA and Germany, and even one department is in charge in Tahiti, I didn’t even know such a country, I only heard it in a cartoon

[Patriot228]

You look like a provocateur, excuse me, it is clear that you are more than "well" familiar with the situation, and now it is better not to say anything at all than to discuss the situation. Even criticizing you help, I chose a strategy for myself - not to help. What is the point of whether people find out about the problems in the industry or not, it won’t change anything at all, only find problems on their own fifth point, and what’s the point in arguing with people? Who is a specialist knows everything, and who is a non-specialist cannot be proved to him. And we don’t have a civil society, you can do whatever you want, grumble, grumble and stop. Discuss technical problems - bring people under the article. All the same, they do not make any decisions and are not able to change and influence anything. Let them try anything, no comments, the karachun will come faster.

[Patriot228]

I read your posts, I agree with every word, for myself I decided not to even discuss the work of trampoline managers. I can say that you are not quite right in one thing, z.p. it doesn’t matter anymore, I personally won’t work with them, even if it’s better to have a smaller salary and more work, but if only in commerce or in a Western company and not have to deal with "blatoty". We also sat with colleagues, sat a couple of years ago, listened to what kind of specialists we were and that there was no use from us and there was “nothing for us to increase pay” for 5 years, and then we just started looking for work and quit about everything together, for the salary is exactly 2.5 times higher and it suddenly turned out that engineers are paid bonuses, and not just "our own", that for Western and commercial companies we are quite strong middle peasants and are ready to pay and are not rude and do not treat with disdain and conflicts suddenly disappeared and the most surprisingly, not much work has increased, and tasks have become easier to solve, because. there are specialists around and can hire good admins and devops and testers, and managers and bosses have decreased significantly. I also walked around for many years, punching solutions, arguing, cursing, introducing innovations, everything is perishable...

[tralflot1832]

It seems that Surovikin was not removed from the commander of the VKS!

[rocket757]

The Department of Defense continues to increase the constellation of satellites in orbit

The process is complex, in itself, not fast ... various restrictions interfere, alas.
Anyway, let's break through and our morning/night star will shine!

[igorra]

Interestingly, of those who watered and continue to pour mud, including on VO, did Rogozina apologize? Ugh, ugh, in my opinion this is the biggest series of accident-free launches. Or is Rogozin not an astronaut, like, for example, Serdyukov has never been a military man, then they can be mixed up with shit? How is it - you will recognize them by their deeds ... But for some reason, rockets do not fly with astronauts, and 1,5 million sets of uniforms disappear with the military.

[Patriot228]

"A series of trouble-free launches" bugagaga, is that all Rogozin's PR headquarters could come up with? You take a closer look at this series .... I think it's time for people to sort out this "accident-free series". It’s real, bots repeat this mantra all over the Internet, it’s even disgusting for me to comment and discuss this stupidity ... But why apologize to Rogozin? For his salary at 80 lyam a year? For corruption scandals? Or is it like in Chechnya you have to apologize in public on camera? Look, the missiles are flying "thanks to Rogozin", and IL 112 suddenly crashed, but Rogozin's son is "not guilty", they even scribbled a letter "from the public" where they swear that "Rafik is not guilty", where many of Rogozin's current employees signed, deftly, Bati's managers harnessed themselves for their son. Andrei Karaulov even prepared a film about the Rogozins' affairs, although now they are trying to close it. Hand washes hand, mutual responsibility, all our own. The typical approach of the oligarchy is the privatization of profits, the nationalization of losses.

[VitaminBF3mg]

Damn-klassssno, pre-New Year's Gifts)) moloriki Roskosmos --- tfyu-tfyu neglazit))

[Mwg]

And it's time to start building battle stations. There were developments that can be implemented in metal. And it's time to renew the Spiral precisely for the purpose for which it was created. Together with the Chinese. Our concept and projects, their execution.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: tralflot1832

It seems that Surovikin was not removed from the commander of the VKS!

In any case, he commands them - so either they didn’t inform, or - he found a worthy deputy for himself: there is no point in being torn in tasks.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: igorra

Interestingly, of those who watered and continue to pour mud, including on VO, did Rogozina apologize? Ugh, ugh, in my opinion this is the biggest series of accident-free launches.

Didn't he himself (personally) repair rockets at night?
Pyakin V.V. - calls Rogozin the 5th column (including due to plundering at the Vostochny Vostochny cosmodrome):
this is also why - only in December 2023 - the very first flight of the Angara launch vehicle is planned:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Восточный_(космодром)

[D16]

It's not him (personally)

He personally organized their work in a proper way. Something that his predecessors failed to do.

Pyakin V.V.

Pyakin led Roscosmos? How is it going?

due to theft at the Vostochny Vostochny cosmodrome

Rogozin plundered money in the East?

only in December 2023 - the very first flight of the Angara launch vehicle is planned:

The protons from Baikonur will run out, the time for the Angara will come.

[slipped]

Quote: VladimirNET

Pyakin V.V. - calls Rogozin the 5th column (including due to plundering at the Vostochny Vostochny cosmodrome):

Backward messages again? It was Dmitry Rogozin who appointed the audit of the Vostochny cosmodrome. When all the facts of theft at the construction of the first stage by contractors - Spetsstroy and TMK were revealed, and those involved sat down for years.

Quote: VladimirNET

this is also why - only in December 2023 - the very first flight of the Angara launch vehicle is planned:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Восточный_(космодром)

In a joke - you are trying to pass off the dignity of this building as a disadvantage.

The second stage of construction near the Angara began in 2018 with the first launch at the end of 2023 and is going well on schedule and will be completed on time - next year, design tests of the launch complex will begin.

[Sedoy]

well ... at such a pace, nothing shines for us in space ...

[ossetia90]

Well done! Finally, it dawned that Western sodomites want to destroy Russia!

[Petr_Koldunov]

I hope this is done not just for the development of science in the name of humanity...

[Nobody except us]

We launch satellites almost every day! Real space wars are just around the corner. What yesterday seemed like a fantasy, or at least an exaggeration, is today a harsh reality.
Surely, things are moving towards a large-scale strike on the NATO orbital constellation of military and dual-use satellites.

[Munhausen]

Sluggish pace. So many spaceports, so many carriers, a huge need for satellite services for the civil sector. Somehow they move. Reminiscent of public utilities, who begin to work as they are obliged, only after a good catching up.
Amerikosovsky sartap is going to throw satellites into orbit with the help of a centrifuge. The Pentagon has already lined up for them. The plans include launching up to five objects into orbit per day. We will not decide with a trampoline.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: D16

He personally organized their work in a proper way. Something that his predecessors failed to do.

We do not know ALL the details, not necessarily - this is only his merit.

Quote: D16

Pyakin V.V.

Pyakin led Roscosmos? How is it going?
Rogozin plundered money in the East?

It was under his PERSONAL leadership that this happened,
and the spaceport (so far) has not been built.

And since someone (in this case Pyakin V.V.) is rolling a barrel at Rogozin, it means that one of them (two) is to blame for this.
And there is no smoke without fire...
I agree with you that everything should be treated critically. However, Pyakin is right: there are a lot of traitors at the top, remember Gorbachev (but he didn’t rule the country alone then) ... And when he was removed - what, there was also one who ruled there?

Constant attempts to negotiate with Ukraine are pure betrayal, and we hear these conversations "from the very top." The idea that this is such a "cunning plan" (that we only say that to refuse them) is a rotten excuse. In fact, this confirms the weakness of the leadership of the Russian Federation, both in relation to our elites - and to Western countries.

[slipped]

Quote: VladimirNET

We do not know ALL the details, not necessarily - this is only his merit.

We know everything perfectly well, and not only from the enemy Wikipedia.

Quote: VladimirNET

It was under his PERSONAL leadership that this happened, and the spaceport (until now) has not been built.

This is a direct lie. He was put in charge of the construction site just to uncover the facts of theft in 2011. With which he successfully coped.

The construction of the spaceport consists of the stages of this construction. Under Rogozin, as the curator of the construction site, they completed the construction of the first stage - the launch under Soyuz-2 and performed more than a dozen launches from it. Under Rogozin, as the General Director of Roscosmos, the construction of the second stage of the cosmodrome near the Angara began and is almost being completed. There will also be a third stage of construction in the new federal space program for advanced carriers.

The cosmodrome cannot be "taken and built" - it is being built in the process of its entire life. For example, Baikonur began construction in 1955, and the UKSS under the Energia launch vehicle was built only in the 80s. The same is true for East.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: slipped

In a joke - you are trying to pass off the dignity of this building as a disadvantage.

Not at all. Just work (at the cosmodrome): not completed on time. According to Wikipedia - "due to imperfections / cracks" everything stretches ...

Quote: slipped

The second phase of construction near the Angara ... is going well on schedule

Let's hope! As for Pyakin V.V. - he says very reasonable things (and about SVO too), always based on facts.
To believe / not to believe - that is the question ... Probably all the same - he is right that if someone handed over the interests of Russia, why now he will behave differently (and there are a lot of such people at the top).
Can "them" be made to work? Probably it is possible, but there may not be any sense, as with Chubais.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: slipped

Rogozin was put in charge of the construction site just to reveal the facts of theft in 2011. With which he successfully coped.

I looked ... And I confirm your arguments, the theft was in 2014-2018, and Rogozin was appointed in May 2018, and removed on July 15, 2022:

https://nsk.tsargrad.tv/articles/i-slyshen-nam-ne-rokot-kosmodroma-kak-vorovali-milliardy-na-vostochnom_225504
https://lenta.ru/news/2022/07/15/borisov/

[Patriot228]

Rogozin was a member of the commission created in 2014, so he certainly knew everything and was aware of all the "cases" and "deeds" ....