The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine throws reserves from the second line of defense to the Belaya Gora - Kurdyumovka line near Artyomovsk

The Ukrainian command is using its existing reserves to hold back the advance of Russian troops in the Artyomovsky direction. The reserves that the Armed Forces of Ukraine held at the so-called second line of defense are used.

To date, the enemy is trying to saturate the Belaya Gora-Kurdyumovka direction with manpower. Recall that Kurdyumovka, together with the adjacent heights, had previously come under the control of our troops.

Ukrainian troops are trying to prevent the exit of Russian units west of the Seversky Donets-Donbass canal. The enemy is afraid that the assault units of the RF Armed Forces can break through the defense line not only in the direction of Chasov Yar and Konstantinovka, which is west of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut), but also in the direction of Toretsk. If the enemy fails to hold back the offensive of our troops in these areas, then his Bakhmut grouping will be completely cut off immediately from both the south and the west. From the east, it is already, as they say, pressed against the city itself (Artyomovsk).

It became known that the Ukrainian troops on the front lines have serious communication problems. That Delta system, which the Poles praised so much, actually ceased to operate in the Artyomovsk region. They are trying to restore communications, including command, using equipment from Elon Musk's company, but additional generators are needed for their operation.

However, it should be noted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a certain advantage in the Artyomovsk-Toretsk-Konstantinovka triangle. At the moment it is in numbers. The Ukrainian command is clearly not going to save its personnel, and therefore will throw any available reserves into this "furnace". True, there is a clear danger for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this, and it is not even that the losses are growing hour by hour. It lies in the fact that when trying to saturate the front line with reserves from more distant lines of defense, the rear and flanks may be exposed. Therefore, there is a significant likelihood that in the near future those Ukrainian units that are still reserve in other directions, for example, in Kharkov, will be thrown towards Artemovsk. But how long combat work can continue within the framework of such tactics is a separate question. If the reserves are dwindling, then a critical moment may well come, after which the Armed Forces of Ukraine will either try to go for a decisive counterattack, or will be forced to leave their positions and retreat to the Konstantinovka-Kramatorsk-Slavyansk line.

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[Leshak]

The main thing is that we have enough strength to fight the reserves of dill.

[Godzila]

Quote: Leshak

The main thing is that we have enough strength to fight the reserves of dill.

Enough .. There is a noble denazification ..
It’s just that Ze is bloody, he also asked for 50 lard from Uncle Joe. So they throw everything that they had already collected in the 7th mobilization into the bloody muzzle and they even say the national battalions (detachments) are thrown into battle And it’s good to pray for ALL !!! And our 200 thousand mobile group has not yet entered the battle .. But soon !!!
Everything should turn out amazing and beautiful

[Ulan.1812]

Quote from godzila

Quote: Leshak

The main thing is that we have enough strength to fight the reserves of dill.

Enough .. There is a noble denazification ..
It’s just that Ze is bloody, he also asked for 50 lard from Uncle Joe. So they throw everything that they had already collected in the 7th mobilization into the bloody muzzle and they even say the national battalions (detachments) are thrown into battle And it’s good to pray for ALL !!! And our 200 thousand mobile group has not yet entered the battle .. But soon !!!
Everything should turn out amazing and beautiful

Who kept the reserves, he won.

[Plate]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Who kept the reserves, he won.

The rule is not universal. It is necessary not only to have a margin of safety, so to speak, it is also necessary to have the infrastructure in order to use it. But in this situation, it works: there seems to be no problems with the infrastructure along the borders with Ukraine, judging by the maps.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Plate

Quote: Ulan.1812

Who kept the reserves, he won.

The rule is not universal. It is necessary not only to have a margin of safety, so to speak, it is also necessary to have the infrastructure in order to use it. But in this situation, it works: there seems to be no problems with the infrastructure along the borders with Ukraine, judging by the maps.

Well, it goes without saying. tttttttt.

[Buyan]

Be sure to have enough strength and ammunition

[Zakirov Damir]

"True, there is a clear danger for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this, and it is not even that losses are growing hour by hour. It is that when you try to saturate the front line with reserves from more distant defense lines, the rear and flanks may be exposed. Therefore, there is a significant likelihood that in the near future those Ukrainian units that are still reserve in other directions - for example, in Kharkov will be thrown towards Artemovsk.

Well, the infantry of the Russian Federation has gone - only a quarter of those mobilized! Approached 80 thousand mobilized to one hundred thousand vinaigrette from PMCs, special forces, paratroopers, marines, people's militia of the LDNR and immediately a change in the situation.

When another 238 thousand come up (300 thousand mobilized and 18 thousand volunteers), that's when the "boilers" will go.

[Scipio]

God bless! I hope it doesn't take long to grunt ukroreykha

[Bolt cutter]

not long left to grunt ukroreyhu

That reminded

[Vadmir]

When another 238 thousand come up (300 thousand mobilized and 18 thousand volunteers), that's when the "boilers" will go.

Provided that they will carry out flank coverage, and not, as before, stupidly take the city in the forehead. If you hit on the forehead, no mobilized will be enough.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Vadmir

When another 238 thousand come up (300 thousand mobilized and 18 thousand volunteers), that's when the "boilers" will go.

Provided that they will carry out flank coverage, and not, as before, stupidly take the city in the forehead. If you hit on the forehead, no mobilized will be enough.

I understand the situation.
The strategy of positional constant pressure in different areas will lead to the fact that the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be pulled apart.
In such a situation, the only way out for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is to counterattack until all the mobilized Russian Federation have arrived. Time is not on their side!

The army of the Russian Federation will not go inside Ukraine in winter, since an extra couple of tens of millions of mouths, with destroyed infrastructure in winter, is generally useless. Let Europe, for its money, pull them this winter!

The main task is to knock out the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the spring. And there, another 240 thousand of those mobilized will already be pulled up and there will simply be nothing to fend off the counterattacks of the Russian Federation.
That's where the boilers will go.

[Vadmir]

I understand the situation.

You are lucky. And now I understand that I do not understand anything. My logic sometimes refuses to perceive reality because of the complete illogicality of the decisions made.

The Russian army will not go inside Ukraine in winter

If you listen to military experts, now muddy roads are in the way, in winter snow and cold will interfere, in summer greenery allows you to hide from aviation.

an extra couple of tens of millions of mouths, with destroyed infrastructure in winter, is generally useless.

Do they want to eat in the summer?
It is necessary to attack when it can be done with maximum speed, minimum losses and to the maximum depth - for the Ukrainian steppes this is summer, when it is easier to maneuver, for the north of Ukraine - winter, when the ground freezes, trees without leaves, and swamp rivers and streams freeze .

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Vadmir

You are lucky. And now I understand that I do not understand anything.

It is difficult to understand when pre-biased attitude.

Quote: Vadmir

If you listen to military experts, now muddy roads are in the way, in winter snow and cold will interfere, in summer greenery allows you to hide from aviation.

How old are you to rely solely on expert opinion?

There were high-tech contract soldiers - VKS, aviation, air defense, artillery, armored. What was the only thing missing was the Queen of the Fields - the infantry. My VUS was not!

That's why the vinaigrette went from PMCs, special forces, marines and paratroopers and the people's militia of the LDNR. How to move forward, a member or something (to put it mildly)? If there is no infantry, then how are you going to take territories? The army of the Russian Federation, even after the fire shaft, simply did not have the strength to clear the territory!

Vova Putin was preparing for a high-tech war, where a young bespectacled child prodigy, using a joystick, destroys brave maroon berets. He wrote off my generation, with a classical Soviet education, and relied on such techies back in the XNUMXs. He was preparing for the Third World War of a new type, believing in high-tech after Syria so much that he could not take off the "handbrake" for half a year.

But Ukraine carried out a total mobilization, creating a multiple superiority in the infantry, and began to knock out the Russian vinaigrette with losses of 10:1. In other words, Ukraine began to fight on the basis of the experience of the Second World War, where the Queen of the Fields infantry decides the outcome of the battle.

Now, until spring, the Russian army, until 320 thousand mobilized are trained, will be at the limit of its capabilities in the infantry to restrain the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

But Ukraine carried out a total mobilization, creating a multiple superiority in the infantry, and began to knock out the Russian vinaigrette with losses of 10:1. In other words, Ukraine began to fight on the basis of the experience of the Second World War, where the Queen of the Fields infantry decides the outcome of the battle.

the only thing that is effectively doing now and has been doing all the months of NMD Ukraine is littering the fields and ravines with the corpses of its soldiers. As a result, even the endless mobilization since February 24 did not allow them to gather and ensure a decisive superiority in numbers in all directions, even against the size of the Russian army (RF Armed Forces + LDNR allied forces + 82 thousand mobilized who joined the squad) which is now and therefore, in order to try to hold Artemovsk, they are transferring troops not only from the second line of defense, but also from other directions, exposing the front there.
The only thing in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the experience of the Second World War is in their losses, when it was considered acceptable to put 10-20 thousand of their soldiers to take several villages, and for example, to put more than 600 thousand soldiers to liberate a city like Warsaw.
Indirect evidence of the huge losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the SVO comes from Ukraine itself, where relatives of mobilized soldiers are sounding the alarm and claiming more than 300 thousand of their soldiers are missing.
By the way, at the time the NMD began, the Russian military group (RF Armed Forces + LDNR) did not exceed 200 thousand people, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine + National Battalions were about 400 thousand people. And having a numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for almost 7 months they were on the defensive constantly mobilizing hundreds of thousands of new soldiers and only after after they ensured a 4-fold simultaneous superiority, they went on the offensive. Yes, and even then this offensive hit thanks to holes in the front line (areas where, in fact, there were no Russian soldiers, since the number of Russian soldiers for every 10 kilometers of the front was less than 150 people), while even in this case, the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered huge losses in the tens of thousands of their soldiers killed.

Quote: Damir Zakirov

Now, until spring, the Russian army, until 320 thousand mobilized

this December or January, 320 thousand mobilized will join the ranks of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine and mass cutting of dill will begin, where hundreds of thousands of corpses of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be added to the 400 thousand losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: lopvlad

the only thing that is effectively doing now and has been doing all the months of NMD Ukraine is littering the fields and ravines with the corpses of its soldiers. As a result, even the endless mobilization since February 24 did not allow them to gather and ensure a decisive superiority in numbers in all directions, even against the size of the Russian army

Correctly! Stupidly pressed by numerical superiority, especially the last two months. I just explained the reason why the units of the Russian Federation began to withdraw - there is no infantry.
I'm tired of the constant whining of "all-propellers" about agreements, oligarchs and other nonsense.

Quote: lopvlad

this December or January, 320 thousand mobilized will join the ranks of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine and mass cutting of dill will begin, where hundreds of thousands of corpses of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be added to the 400 thousand losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

I don't think December. Parts will be poured over three to four months, in December-March.

Yes, and Russia does not need the territory of Ukraine in winter, with destroyed infrastructure. This winter, the West, at the limit of its capabilities, taking into account its problems, will restore and support Ukraine.

I think that the winter strategy of the Russian army will be to pull apart and destroy the reserves of Ukraine due to constant positional pressure in several places. As soon as this happens, then deep ohaats will go with armored fists, supported by infantry, which, in the absence of reserves, will have nothing to stop.

[nobody75]

"Foch's Game", called "Colonel Blotto's Game" in game theory?
We high-tech bespectacled people call it that...
Sincerely

[lopvlad]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

I don't think December. Parts will be poured over three to four months, in December-March.

those called up for mobilization have already been trained and the question now is why they have not yet been massively poured into the Russian group in the Donbass is that they need to be fully equipped with equipment and weapons (artillery, air defense, drones, armored vehicles) and our industry needs time for this.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: lopvlad

those called up for mobilization have already been trained and the question now is why they have not yet been massively poured into the Russian group in the Donbass is that they need to be fully equipped with equipment and weapons (artillery, air defense, drones, armored vehicles) and our industry needs time for this.

I wonder if battalion groups will form or divisions? I believe that they will return to the experience of the Second World War.

[cniza]

It became known that the Ukrainian troops on the front line are found to have serious communication problems. That Delta system, which the Poles praised so much, actually ceased to operate in the Artyomovsk region.

Maybe it's time to turn on the electronic warfare to the fullest ...

[Ulan.1812]

Looks like decisive events are brewing. Sometime the strength of dill must dry up.
And then disaster.

[Egoza]

Quote: Ulan.1812

And then disaster.

it depends. For someone salvation. There will now be exchanged priests captured for prisoners of war (going to). And those released will be sent back. But this is good in the sense that there are no our prisoners.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Ulan.1812

And then disaster.

it depends. For someone salvation. There will now be exchanged priests captured for prisoners of war (going to). And those released will be sent back. But this is good in the sense that there are no our prisoners.

To be honest, I haven't heard anything about this exchange,
Probably will be announced soon.

[Vadmir]

Looks like decisive events are brewing.

They have been maturing for a very long time. But so far there has been no decisive offensive. The question is when it will start, either December-January-February, or only in June-July-August. In the event of a transfer to the summer, a lot of weapons can be supplied to Ukraine. In my opinion, it is necessary to advance in winter, when the lack of electricity and heating has the maximum impact. Another question is whether we will be able to accumulate enough ammunition for really massive strikes by winter.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Vadmir

Looks like decisive events are brewing.

They have been maturing for a very long time. But so far there has been no decisive offensive. The question is when it will start, either December-January-February, or only in June-July-August. In the event of a transfer to the summer, a lot of weapons can be supplied to Ukraine. In my opinion, it is necessary to advance in winter, when the lack of electricity and heating has the maximum impact. Another question is whether we will be able to accumulate enough ammunition for really massive strikes by winter.

Colonel General Kartopolov hinted at December. Looks like the soil is about to freeze.

[Vadmir]

Colonel General Kartopolov hinted at December.

And Gurulev said that we would be completely ready only by the summer.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Vadmir

Colonel General Kartopolov hinted at December.

And Gurulev said that we would be completely ready only by the summer.

Well, let's see which one is right.
But wait until the summer, Somehow ... They, too, will not sit idly by and will take advantage of the time to the fullest.

[Kronos]

There will be no mega offensives from Russia, an offensive as it is now with slow assaults for weeks on small settlements.

[Boycott]

Very good news. Grinding manpower and equipment without storming big cities is a good tactic. Mobrereserve of Ukraine is not infinite, and soon it will reach the most hard-nosed that resistance is suicide. The leadership knows this for a long time and earns money by sending the electorate to their death.

[Vadmir]

Mobrereserve of Ukraine is not infinite

It seems to me that the matter is not in the mob reserve, it is quite large and will not run out soon, but in weapons, equipment and especially ammunition. It's pointless to walk on a tank with a pitchfork. Disruption of communications, attacks on warehouses and equipment, on a repair base - this is the path to success.

[Boycott]

Disruption of communications, attacks on warehouses and equipment, on a repair base - this is the path to success.

agree, of course. One of the ingredients for success. And progress is visible to the naked eye. The intensity of the work of dry artillery is falling, communication problems, big problems in the work of the medical service, this is just from today. In short, it turns out like in a joke about a bull, we will go slowly and ....

[Fangaro]

If the alleged "bag" contains 2-3 times more enemy troops than ours in coverage, respectively, they will have no reinforcements, no ammunition, or even food - then a very successful operation. If there are, conditionally, "five hundred soldiers", and we surround them with "five thousand" ...
All personal opinion.
It is possible that real actions are very different from what they taught at school in mathematics lessons.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote from Fangaro

If the alleged "bag" contains 2-3 times more enemy troops than ours in coverage, respectively, they will have no reinforcements, no ammunition, or even food - then a very successful operation. If there are, conditionally, "five hundred soldiers", and we surround them with "five thousand" ...
All personal opinion.
It is possible that real actions are very different from what they taught at school in mathematics lessons.

And here is mathematics, if there is a history of the Second World War - the Kharkov cauldron, Kyiv ...

[Nord11]

So there was news that the shielding army was strengthened, calling for 50 thousand women, who apparently did not have enough Europe and lace underpants. Well, women are frostbitten people, they don’t even need weapons, they will intimidate everyone with scandals ..

[Plate]

I don’t know how it is in a real war, then in paintball the girls were much meaner than the guys. We all ducked through the shelters so that they wouldn’t hit us, and from there they poured balls on each other. And they didn’t seem to notice the shelters at all! They just ran into each other like that.

[Nord11]

Well, in fact, in all anti-terrorist organizations of the world, according to the instructions, it is first of all recommended to destroy female terrorists. As a rule, they are more motivated and almost never give up even in hopeless situations, unlike men.

[Plate]

Yeah, it's weird how things are. On average, a man is stronger and more enduring, but a more fierce enemy comes out of a woman.

[Fangaro]

Quote: Zakirov Damir

Quote from Fangaro

If the alleged "bag" contains 2-3 times more enemy troops than ours in coverage, respectively, they will have no reinforcements, no ammunition, or even food - then a very successful operation. If there are, conditionally, "five hundred soldiers", and we surround them with "five thousand" ...
All personal opinion.
It is possible that real actions are very different from what they taught at school in mathematics lessons.

And here is mathematics, if there is a history of the Second World War - the Kharkov cauldron, Kyiv ...

History cannot repeat itself with 100% accuracy.
I apologize, but I did not look at the history. I don't remember from my school days.
Damir! I won't be here anymore. I'll take a look. If I'm right, I'll write to you. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize here on the forum.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote from Fangaro

History cannot repeat itself with 100% accuracy.
I apologize, but I did not look at the history. I don't remember from my school days.

It was humor. Could you provide a counterexample:
"And there was both the Vyazemsky cauldron, and the Bryansk ..."

Quote from Fangaro

Damir! I won't be here anymore. I'll take a look. If I'm right, I'll write to you. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize here on the forum.

To be honest, I didn’t understand what kind of ratio and what to apologize to me for? Remind me.

[Uprun]

Tasks are solved in the complex, behind enemy lines and on the front.

[cat hippopotamus]

I hope we are also replenishing and all the reserves of the Nazis're coming out will be ground with black soil.

[valera75]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

Now, until spring, the Russian army, until 320 thousand mobilized are trained, will be at the limit of its capabilities in the infantry to restrain the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Where do you take the numbers of 320 tons when already from October 320 tons of these 80 tons have been fighting on the front end for a long time, and as they say already more, which means there are less than 200 tons if not 150 tons in the reserve. in hospitals with their heaps of diseases after a trench in the slush and then in the cold, they are commissioned, plus losses, plus in winter it is necessary to do rotation more often. So 30 tons of which are no longer 45 tons will need to be mobilized for a long time.