Chinese Ministry of Defense: By 2025, the Chinese Navy will have about 400 ships in its composition

By 2025, the People's Liberation Army's navy is expected to grow to 400 ships (or hulls - including those built but not fully commissioned) compared to 340 currently available. This figure corresponds to data published on Tuesday on the website of the Ministry of Defense of China.

The fleet is an increasingly modern and flexible force that has focused on replacing previous generation platforms with limited capabilities in favor of larger modern multi-role combat units.

- the documents say.

The report, which takes stock of China's military developments in recent years, pegs the growth to an increase in the number of large surface warships. The total number of ships dropped from 355 last year due to the transfer of more than 20 old corvettes to the Chinese Coast Guard. The end of last year marked the beginning of the construction of a new aircraft carrier, a new batch of missile destroyers (DDG) and a new batch of guided missile frigates (FFG).

In addition, the report suggests that the bulk of surface expansion is contained in two programs: the 7500-ton Luyang III Type-52D guided missile destroyers and the larger 13000-ton Type-55 Renhai guided missile cruisers.

The Luyang III destroyers are based on a dual-band air search radar with an active phased array antenna (AFAR) and a vertical launch system with 64 missile cells, similar to the Mk-41 VLS on US surface ships.

As of May 2022, the Chinese already have five Renhai-class cruisers in service, according to the South China Morning Post. New classes of ships with different SAMs allow China to better defend itself as its task forces move further and further from the protective umbrella of their coastal air defense systems and mimic the basic design of the American Aegis systems.

It is believed that, among other things, China is developing a nuclear guided missile submarine that will carry cruise missiles to combat both surface and ground targets.

It is clear that China will work over the next few years to deploy a carrier battle group outside the first so-called first chain of islands.

Comments

[Egeny]

"The Navy of the People's Liberation Army of China is expected by 2025...." blah, blah, blah....
We would like to build up and modernize our fleet.

[RVAPatriot]

They have a priority to raise the country, we have the power to fill our own ...

[withoutreverse]

admiration, simply admiration for their success!! what they have achieved in 30 years.

[Comandor777]

Quote: withoutreverse

admiration, simply admiration for their success!! what they have achieved in 30 years.

There is no need to envy, China has difficult years ahead and it is not a fact that it will pass them.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

What's stopping you? They are competently managed enough to cope with the challenges. Unlike

[Comandor777]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

What's stopping you? They are competently managed enough to cope with the challenges. Unlike

What will hinder? Are you seriously? You can immediately see the sofa expert)

[bayard]

What will interfere and who will do it is clear.
The question is - how much will they be able to do in this against China?
China is really very competently managed, despite all the world crises and "epidemics" it continues to develop and grow economically, technologically, and in terms of living standards. And this is a very close-knit and disciplined society.
And what can oppose them to the USA and Co.?
Sanctions?
And in response, China (both Russia and the Arabs of the Gulf) will switch to a non-dollar settlement system with the recalculation of the exchange rate through the gold content (China has already done this). And what will the US get? They will get a drop in demand for dollars two times - at least.
And their financial system will collapse.
They just stop selling for dollars.
And the countries of the world will be able to BUY ... in China (all commercial consumer goods and equipment), in Russia (oil, gas, metals, food ... civilian aircraft in a few years), and in jellied monarchies - oil and gas.
And that’s it.
Most of the world will close in its alternative to the West, the sphere of commodity exchange. No west.
And the West will remain on its own.
Is he (the West) ready to endure this?
Without a military defeat?
Not .
And they have NO chance of winning against the Russian Federation and China at the same time.
Without Russia, China will lose by one or two.
And in order to win, Russia needs an army corresponding to the tasks.
and clear goal-setting without "convergence with the West". The same "Reliance on one's own strength" bequeathed to us by the great Stalin.
But in the Kremlin, alas, not Stalin.
it's a pity .

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Comandor777

You can immediately see the sofa expert)

Well, yes, just a financier-economist with a higher education, who pulled a couple of city-forming enterprises out of a pre-bankruptcy state.
Let's teach me about life :)

[Comandor777]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: Comandor777

You can immediately see the sofa expert)

Well, yes, just a financier-economist with a higher education, who pulled a couple of city-forming enterprises out of a pre-bankruptcy state.
Let's teach me about life :)

Excellent resume, I'll talk to you.
If you are an economist and financier, then you must understand that China is rich, first of all, not because it is well managed, although it has a tower of management, but because all world markets are open to it. Do you know why they are open?
We cannot develop, because the West closed the world markets for us from the very beginning. Until recently, he was ready to buy only raw materials. How is it possible to get rich here when you have only the domestic market, which has already been mastered? Here, no matter what KPI you achieve, then it’s still a dead end.
That's why the war, because it's a dead end, we need new markets. And enterprises will be built, there would be a buyer.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Clearly :) Here you won’t get off with a short answer, while there is no time, I will answer in detail in the evening

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Comandor777

If you are an economist and financier, then you must understand that China is rich, first of all, not because it is well managed, although it has a tower of management, but because all world markets are open to it.

Let's figure it out. To do this, remember how China rose.
It was a backward country in all respects, but they wanted more, and went into the future through understanding the importance of education.
When the US and the West realized that China was a non-hostile (politically neutral) country with a skilled but cheap labor force, multinational corporations quickly realized that moving production to China would give them a great competitive advantage. For products made in China will be much cheaper. Therefore, China began to quickly turn into the world's factory. In this you are right.
But you are wrong when you say that all markets are open for China. There has never been such a thing, and there never will be. The golden billion of the USA and the West saw China precisely as working hands, despite the fact that the intellectual development centers will be precisely European and American. That is, no one wanted to see China as the engine of progress. Nobody wanted China to develop science and technology. They wanted China to be just the world's factory, that's all.
And here there is a striking resemblance to the Russian Federation. The United States and Europe have given us and China a certain role in the world: we are a gas station, they are a factory. Both we and they received certain dividends from this (we got up to 50% of the federal budget from the sale of oil and gas), and China's factories paid considerable taxes to the budget.
But the state administration of China was able to properly dispose of the available opportunity, they created the conditions under which Chinese corporations already became competitive and brought their products first to the domestic and then to foreign markets. And it was, oh, how difficult, because NOBODY China was waiting there - the obstacles to China's foreign trade outside the framework allotted to it were the same as before us. You are completely wrong to think that someone was waiting for a Chinese manufacturer (not under an American brand) in the same America with open arms. I assure you that the United States is excellent at protecting its markets and its producers, and they will not let anyone into the areas that they need - neither the Russian Federation nor the Chinese.
But China adopted a reasonable state economic policy based on Keynes's theory (and not like us, in monetarism), they retained state control over highly profitable industries (like the oil and gas complex) and managed to replace the original growth drivers (cheap labor, inflow of foreign investment, etc.). .d.) to internal. To put it simply, China made a serious bet on the growth of the well-being of its inhabitants, and soon this made China not only the largest producer, but also the largest consumer of industrial products. Thus, when "outward" output reached its limit, China continued to expand its industry at the expense of domestic consumption.
What have we done?
If China has become attractive to investors, then we only blab about it, arranging wild depreciation of the ruble every 7-8 years. What investor would like to wake up in the morning and find out that your ruble investments in foreign currency have become 40% cheaper?
That is, where we first distributed oil companies to "respectable people", then we broke our heads on how to honestly take tax from them, tied the main tax revenues to the dollar exchange rate to the ruble and oil and gas rates, and as a result were forced to collapse the exchange rate every time when prices in foreign markets fell to avoid budget deficits, the Chinese, who retained control over oil and gas, did not have to do anything.
China has seriously invested in the development of its own science, although they still have to go and go along this road. We invested ... in the Olympics, Rosnano and so on.

Quote: Comandor777

How is it possible to get rich here when you have only the domestic market, which has already been mastered?

The domestic market is not a constant value, as China has perfectly proved. The richer your population is, the greater effective demand it generates. China understood this, we did not.
Anyway ...
Was it like in the early RF? The state took a tax from oil companies and used it to buy seismic surveys. Looking for new deposits. And then, when it found it, it rented them out to oil and gas producers. Reasonable? Yes! Because it is the state that is interested in the renewal of oil and gas reserves - they pumped out a ton, find two. In addition, the state can lobby for the interests of native seismic exploration.
But no, Ryzhiy came and said - leave seismic exploration at the mercy of subsoil users, they will decide for themselves who and how much exploration to order, the invisible hand of the market ...
The result is that the top management of these companies does not care about exploration, because there will be enough known deposits for their lifetime. But they rolled out requirements for seismic companies - to use ONLY imported equipment (seismic stations), the Russian Federation created its own, a little worse, it could be improved, in some ways they were inferior to foreign ones, but in general they were quite at the level on the cost / efficiency scale. Well, no, they killed this direction in the trash, we work on imported ones, and since no one is particularly interested, orders fell from year to year, the industry simply shriveled ... They only hung noodles on Putin’s ears, slipping outright lies on the volumes of supposedly explored oil.
Well, they lied so much that as a result the national project Power of Siberia turned out to be a failure - it’s amazing how much worth the wire was extended to the deposits ... which were simply underexplored, and which turned out to be much smaller than expected. The pipeline was built, but there is nothing to pump through it ...
That is, where China would build an efficient oil and gas production system, develop its seismic exploration, and at the same time deploy the production of complex and science-intensive products, we have spawned a handful of billionaires, squandered the existing scientific groundwork, and even screwed up at the level of the national project.
And you say - the domestic market means nothing :))))))

[Serg65]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

They are smart enough to handle the challenges.

There were no challenges yet, and how the nation of traders will cope with them is a big question! Although ... I’m probably wrong about the calls, there are already calls - unrest in Xinjiang, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Beijing, and this is only the first bell!

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Unlike

Andrey, I would like to hear your opinion about this "Unlike", what is uncontrollability?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Serg65

Andrey, I would like to hear your opinion about this "Unlike", what is uncontrollability?

Oh sure. I'll write in detail tonight

[Doccor18]

Quote: Comandor777

No need to envy, China has difficult years ahead ...

In China, the leadership is very interested in the prosperity of their country...

[Santa Fe]

In China, the leadership is very interested in the prosperity of their country...

No longer

Otherwise, Xi was not eager for a third term

[Doccor18]

Quote: Santa Fe

No longer

Sorry I did not understand.
(The minus is not mine, I don’t have the habit of minus the interlocutor, even if I don’t agree with him).

Quote: Santa Fe

Otherwise, Xi was not eager for a third term

What is the connection?

[Santa Fe]

What is the connection?

What is good for Xi himself is not so good for China

With each new term, he will think less and less about the country, and more about how to stay for the next term. Even to the detriment of the interests of the country itself

Xi goes the proven way

[Doccor18]

Quote: Santa Fe

What is good for Xi himself is not so good for China

Who decided that?
1. An unprecedented fight against corruption, embezzlement and a chic lifestyle of certain segments of the population.
2. Responding to the challenge of the pandemic.
3. Opposing yourself to the most powerful country in the world. Xi does not shy away from foreigners, does not fawn, moreover, puts someone in his place.
The country reached an export peak under Xi, then, as expected, a wave of serious problems began, as well as serious international pressure for US patronage. How is China, led by Xi, dealing with this? It is still the world's first economy. China proclaimed the idea of ​​complete scientific and technological independence. What prevents it? Internal corruption and external sanctions. The Chinese are coping with internal problems so far, but they do not allow external problems to undermine the economy, they act ahead of the curve, and continue what they had previously planned. Few people in the world can now be compared in efficiency with the Chinese authorities.

Quote: Santa Fe

Even to the detriment of the interests of the country itself

I don't think so. He had enough opponents even with a relatively favorable course of events. If real jambs begin (to the detriment of the country), his days in politics will be numbered. Competition, no matter what, in China is serious ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Doccor18

1. An unprecedented fight against corruption, embezzlement and a chic lifestyle of certain segments of the population.

The fight against corruption, embezzlement and a chic lifestyle always takes place either before the next plenum of the Central Committee, or before the party congress ... the Chinese did not come from Mars, just like they steal, take bribes and embezzle all over the world! I will not assure you of this, it is easier for you to see all this at the border checkpoints in Khorgos and Torugart.

Quote: Doccor18

The Chinese are coping with internal problems so far

Let's see how they cope with the current, clearly paid, unrest in Xinjiang, Shanghai, Gongzhou and Beijing? I think that such unrest will not only be in these places ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Santa Fe

With each new term, he will think less and less about the country

And here Oleg, you are wrong! Xi understands perfectly well that before the upcoming turmoil it is absolutely not worth changing the government of the country, usually such a change ends in a big tragedy!

[dementor873]

Yes, because there, right at the party congress, they remove all sorts of liberals next to Xi Jinping, and in our country they only come out feet first and not earlier.

[Serg65]

Quote: dementor873

there, right at the party congress, they remove all sorts of liberals

Why only now, why didn't they clean it before?

[dementor873]

How is it better for a lion-aspirant to the place of the head of the pride to arrange a fight with another? In front of the public. So that everyone, especially Tobacco, would be afraid in the future.

[Serg65]

Quote: dementor873

How is it better for a lion-aspirant to the place of the head of the pride to arrange a fight with another?

Plenums of the Central Committee twice a year, there is enough public eye for the eyes!

[Egeny]

Quote: withoutreverse

just admiration for their success!!

Well, well, it’s just that neither the Gaidars and Chubais had any.)

[Doccor18]

Quote from Egeni

blah blah blah....

Well, what are you so ..?
Much depends on the fate of China. Russia has a colossal length of eastern borders, including with China. And whether it grows stronger, remains at the same level or falls, it will have a huge impact on us, a gigantic influence, incomparable with the Ukrainian one...

[Egeny]

Quote from Egeni

blah blah blah....

what don't you like? So there is nothing to chew snot and minus the truth.)
We need to be proud of our fleet.

[The popuas]

One can only be happy for China But I didn’t understand this passage .. "" and imitate the basic design of the American Aegis systems. ""

[Santa Fe]

But I didn’t understand this passage .. "" and imitate the basic design of the American Aegis systems."

[The popuas]

So why do I need these photos? I'm talking about "imitation" ... a woman can simulate an orgasm , but here it is "Aegis"

[Santa Fe]

So why do I need these photos?

For clarity

but here is "Aegis"

Layout, superstructure architecture, placement of weapons and antenna posts

The 10-ton "cruiser of the future" was created in the image and likeness of a 000-ton destroyer from the 6s.

If the layout of the Berks was dictated by the limited displacement and technology of that time, then for the Chinese this led to a strange result.

The bulky superstructure (due to the placement of the main radar antennas in it - like on an American) "gobbled up" the displacement reserves. Depriving the destroyer of the opportunity to grow in height. Therefore, the tower-like mast from the second radar turned out to be disproportionately low for a 10 ton ship

[tralflot1832]

The shipbuilding industry of the PRC has made good friends with the West. Eastern deceit in all its glory.

[Boniface]

The Chinese Navy already outnumbers the US Navy
USA - more nuclear submarines of various types
The downside is that China has no experience in using the Navy and this is essential

[urik62]

China has no experience of using anything at all

[Boniface]

Well, kids learn fast!
an orbital station has already been built

[gsev]

Quote: urik62

China has no experience of using anything at all

The PRC has experience of drawing a war with the United States to a draw in Korea, although the Chinese liberated 90% of the entire territory of the DPRK from the invaders. There is experience in capturing Damansky Island from the USSR. There is experience of a successful landing operation on the Spratly Islands and their capture from South Vietnam. There is a successful naval war against the SRV.

[Normann]

How many people did they put on Damansky? Negative experience, he is also an experience. Yes, and it was more than fifty years ago, you still remember the opium wars.

[Serg65]

Quote: gsev

China has experience of drawing a war with the United States in a draw in Korea

Well, yes, and there is also the experience of the war with the Huns!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Boniface

more nuclear submarines of various types

Here they have no more nuclear submarines, that China has not yet taken place

[FIR FIR]

Quote: Boniface

The downside is that China has no experience in using the Navy, and this is significant

Experience is a commodity. Once upon a time, China did not have an automobile industry .....

[Incvizitor]

There is no sense in the Armed Forces if the country is afraid to defend its interests using these Armed Forces.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Yes, they don't seem to be afraid. After WWII and India and Vietnam, and the Koreans, and we managed to fight

[FIR FIR]

A hint that the old woman was not shot down ..........
The Chinese are too pragmatic to trade hundreds of billions of dollars a year in the market for the life of one elderly congresswoman who does not affect anything on a global scale.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: FIR FIR

A hint that the old woman was not shot down ..........

So this would be the highest form of diotism.
In that particular case, China did not need to be threatened with what it would not do. They should have protested in the usual way, and then massed the armed forces near Taiwan and held several demonstrations, as if China is ready to go much further than it said.

[Ilgizl]

At the same time, the question is not raised about the tonnage of ships in which the Americans will still be ahead. Already a couple of years ago, analysts in both countries believed that despite the quantitative superiority, Noak would not be able to surpass the tonnage of the United States. And roughly in terms of ships, one large and several medium ones will be able to surpass a greater number of medium and small ones.

[Santa Fe]

And roughly in terms of ships, one large and several medium ones will be able to surpass a greater number of medium and small ones.

Inspired by history

1943 The veil of the December storm was torn apart by two silhouettes - the light cruisers Glasgow and Enterprise.

Unlike the modern Glasgow, armed with twelve 152 mm automated guns, the Enterprise was an outdated Scout with only five 152 mm guns, where shells were fed manually. In this sense, it corresponded to the German destroyers Narvik. Which appeared on the horizon immediately five escorted by six Elbing-class destroyers

17 six-inch versus 24 German. 22 torpedo tubes - against 76. Do not forget about the support from the Elbings. The 1700-ton ships could not conduct artillery combat in stormy weather, but they actively maneuvered and put up smoke screens, "diverting" some of the Glasgow and Enterprise fire. At this time, a German long-range bomber attacked the cruisers ...

It would seem that it's over. One “Glasgow”, with the slurred support of his partner, did not extend this battle.

Over the next 3 hours, His Majesty's Glasgow ship killed everyone who was in the zone of destruction of his guns. German losses amounted to the flagship destroyer Z-27, two destroyers and 400 people. their crews. In response, the Narviks managed to achieve the only hit in Glasgow. The Germans were saved only by flight in different directions - their squadron was scattered along the entire coast of France.

[Normann]

It all depends on the weapons of these medium and small.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Well, the PLA Navy is clearly not yet ready for a war with the United States. However, the pace of narrowing the gap in combat capabilities inspires serious respect

[Normann]

It's all very good, if it weren't so bad.

[km-21]

China is solving its tasks of ensuring not only its security, but also its very likely world leadership. And when he solves this problem, we will have no less problems on his part than today's on the part of the United States.

Therefore, we must forget about the well-being of the people and arm ourselves in order to be able to reliably overcome the defense and reliably defeat any possible enemy. We need high-quality microelectronics, we need orbital satellite constellations, we need laser anti-satellite and anti-missile weapons, we need ballistic missiles and powerful warheads, we need underwater, surface, aviation (in large numbers) carriers of these missiles ... And other, other, other ...

In general, this task looks almost unsolvable, but otherwise everything will end very badly for us. So let's finally get it right. We will fight for a place in the sun as the Chinese do today? Or will we humbly wait for inevitable death, as we have been doing for the past three and a half decades? ..

[Alexander Emrys]

Without the well-being of the people, we will perish anyway. Simply because the poor people, who do not believe that anything will be better, are not motivated to fight for the future.
In the Second World War, the people were poor, but they saw that a lot was also being done to increase prosperity - they lived rather hungry, but they built schools, hospitals, introduced tractors and other equipment in agriculture, etc. - this gave hope. You propose to take away from the people even the hope for a better future. This time.
And two - now civilian technologies, generated by the well-being of the people, are actively duplicating and developing military ones. the same Chinese, Europeans, Americans massively use the achievements of civilian technologies to build combat systems. One has only to abandon the very idea of ​​a welfare society, as this path will be closed, and the military industry will gallop further on one leg of military scientific research, more and more yielding to sprinters with two healthy legs.

[Egeny]

Quote: Normann

How many people did they put on Damansky?

We put them...