NATO Secretary General: Now Ukraine should think about preserving the state, not about joining the alliance

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NATO Secretary General: Now Ukraine should think about preserving the state, not about joining the alliance

Today in Bucharest ended a two-day meeting of the heads of foreign affairs agencies of the countries that are members of the North Atlantic Alliance, which included a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission. By the way, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba, who arrived at the summit, talked with his colleagues in an informal setting at a dinner specially organized for this purpose. His presence at official sessions is blocked by Hungary, which has a sharply negative attitude towards the “Law on Language”, adopted by the Kyiv authorities in 2017.

But the foreign ministers of Finland and Sweden, who have not yet become NATO members, were admitted to the summit as candidates for joining the alliance.



Following the meeting, the ministers adopted a resolution regarding further support for Kyiv and assistance to Ukraine in "victory over Russia on the battlefield." Curious was the statement of NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, which he made at a briefing, answering a journalist's question whether Ukraine deserves admission to the alliance right now.

Stoltenberg urged the Ukrainian authorities to correctly set strategic priorities and take care at the current moment of preserving their state as such, and not continue to insistently demand admission to the alliance.

It is important that Ukraine be preserved as an independent nation in Europe. To do this, we must mobilize as much military, financial and economic assistance for Ukraine as possible. We do it

- Stoltenberg said, specifying that in the event of the loss of sovereignty, Ukraine will not be able to count on membership in the alliance.

Which sounds quite logical. True, the new statement of the alliance secretary general seems to contradict his other statement made yesterday. On the eve of Stoltenberg announced that Ukraine will easily enter the open doors of NATO "immediately after the end of hostilities." Apparently, in case of victory. In which, judging by the subtext of today's statement by the Secretary General about the change of priorities towards at least maintaining independent sovereignty, NATO is already beginning to have some doubts.

And for the first time, the allies of Ukraine at such a high level spoke about the probable loss of statehood for the first time. The Kyiv authorities, after Stoltenberg's statement, have something to think about.

For the first time, the possibility of Ukraine and Georgia to become members of the North Atlantic Alliance was announced at the summit in Romania back in 2008. In June this year in Brussels, NATO leaders reaffirmed this decision, called on both countries to continue reforms, but did not name the terms for the possible entry of candidates into the organization.
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  1. +13
    30 November 2022 18: 08
    Ukraine will remain within the borders of 1654 and is moving towards this. So, in principle, it will suit everyone
    1. +2
      30 November 2022 18: 24
      Not satisfied. Independence and "own" land only in the cemetery. What borders, what year can we talk about? But by the way, our rulers have other thoughts
      1. +5
        30 November 2022 18: 50
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Not satisfied. Independence and "own" land only in the cemetery.

        Well, why not, because until 1654 Ukraine was not independent, and it should remain so.
        1. +5
          30 November 2022 19: 14
          Ukraine before 1992 did not exist at all. What is the conversation about?
        2. +4
          30 November 2022 20: 27
          after all, until 1654 Ukraine was not independent,

          You might think that some of Germany with Hungary and others in this NATO are "square". Washington's Errands.
          Except Turkey. And even then, because of Erdogan's "personal" misunderstandings with the White House. The Sultan dies - and everything settles down again. Everyone will be obedient.
      2. +2
        30 November 2022 19: 34
        It is important that Ukraine survive as an independent nation in Europe
        that is, he did not even talk about preserving the country, but about the nation as such.
    2. +13
      30 November 2022 18: 42
      Quote: Lumberjack_2
      Ukraine will remain within the borders of 1654 and is moving towards this. So, in principle, it will suit everyone

      In 1654, Ukraine had no officially recognized borders, only administrative ones. And there was no state. The state of Ukraine appeared only in 1991 (all sorts of dads and other Petliuras did not count during the Civil War).
      So I completely agree with you that Ukraine will remain within the borders of 1654, that is, it will cease to exist as a state.
      1. +5
        30 November 2022 18: 52
        Quote: Bearded
        In 1654, Ukraine had no officially recognized borders, only administrative ones. And there was no state. The state of Ukraine appeared only in 1991 (all sorts of dads and other Petliuras did not count during the Civil War).

        Can I throw in my five kopecks .. The outskirts, after separating from the USSR (Russia is the successor), did not officially register its borders with the UN, that is. Legally, she remained in the USSR .. Here is such a hitch! Even the UN Secretary General somehow hinted at this, but he was quickly shut up.
        1. +1
          30 November 2022 20: 16
          According to the law, no one officially left the USSR at all. The Belovezhskaya Treaty only stated that the USSR ceased to exist and had no legal force for the dissolution of the country. Legally, we, as assignees, are legally in Ukraine.
    3. +4
      30 November 2022 19: 07
      Quote: Lumberjack_2
      Ukraine will remain within the borders of 1654 and is moving towards this. So, in principle, it will suit everyone
      When talking about the borders of Ukraine of any year, you need to lay out a map for clarity hi
    4. +1
      30 November 2022 19: 07
      it is important that as of 1654 these were not only borders, but also the level of economy, technology and population.
    5. +2
      30 November 2022 22: 47
      Quote: Lumberjack_2
      Ukraine will remain within the borders of 1654 and is moving towards this. So, in principle, it will suit everyone

      Ukraine Zelensky and Co., in view of real events, can only remain on historical papers! Leaving the current Ukraine in any geographic coordinates means throwing a rake onto the path, which will have to be stepped on in the future!
  2. +12
    30 November 2022 18: 08
    Yes, there is now such a "porridge" to cook that without a liter you can't figure it out. The dog wedding is in full swing.
    1. +4
      30 November 2022 18: 48
      Let them squabble like spiders in a jar, the dog is with them!
      1. +6
        30 November 2022 20: 22
        Quote: Alien From
        Let them squabble like spiders in a jar, the dog is with them!

        I agree ! Our cause is just and we will bring it to the end .. Such is the historical mission of Russia, it has been and will be (to break the backbones of the presumptuous)
    2. +4
      30 November 2022 18: 52
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Yes, there is now such a "porridge" to cook that without a liter you can't figure it out.

      Then, forward to the refrigerators, pour and figure it out.
    3. +5
      30 November 2022 18: 54
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Yes, there is now such a "porridge" to cook that without a liter you can't figure it out. The dog wedding is in full swing.

      The sacks are stuffed in preparation for flight in different directions.
  3. +10
    30 November 2022 18: 10
    Quote: Lumberjack_2
    Ukraine will remain within the borders of 1654 and is moving towards this. So, in principle, it will suit everyone

    404 would be better not at all and did not remain
  4. +4
    30 November 2022 18: 12
    The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the capture of Andreevka in the DPR
  5. -7
    30 November 2022 18: 15
    Strange messages from the Zaporozhye region appeared on the Internet. Similar to those that were before leaving Kherson.
  6. +3
    30 November 2022 18: 16
    If NATO had no doubts about the victory of Ukraine, then it would not have ordered its talking monkey to make such statements. Since no ukroreich is needed in NATO even in a nightmare, they can firmly promise entry only as firmly knowing that Ukraine will lose.
  7. +3
    30 November 2022 18: 16
    Does he even remember what he said to the camera five minutes ago, or does everyone (he, the journalists, the owners, the plebs and secretaries write papers for voice acting) do not care about this?
  8. +4
    30 November 2022 18: 17
    [/ quote] It is important that Ukraine be preserved as independent nation in Europe [quote]
    probably got infected from Klitschko, brought a new nation. According to the data of the All-Ukrainian population census, representatives of over 130 nationalities and nationalities lived in the country.
    1. 0
      30 November 2022 18: 19
      nation and nationality are not the same thing. Different concepts.
      1. +2
        30 November 2022 18: 34
        Yes, you are right, if you look at the State of Israel as an example, it is on the Internet: The Jewish people is a nation that has a common Earth (Israel), a common religion (Judaism) and a common history (starting with Abraham). Then there are many questions about common things in Ukraine
        1. +3
          30 November 2022 19: 02
          Jews to present their claims. Here they are dressed winked
        2. -1
          1 December 2022 00: 13
          I don't know where this quote comes from, but it's wrong.
          Jews are a nationality.
          The nation is the Israelis (and it includes not only Jews, but also representatives of other nationalities living in Israel).
          A nation does not have to have a common language, common origin, or religion. For nationality, this is in most cases a mandatory element.
          But the common territory is an obligatory element for a nation, but not an obligatory element for a nationality. A Jew will be a Jew, even if he does not live in Haifa, but in Moscow or New York..
          1. 0
            1 December 2022 14: 18
            The Jewish people is a good and vivid example for designating a nation. The Russian people is not a nationality. The Russian people consists of many nationalities. A Tatar may consider himself Russian, and so on. That is why even in ancient Israel there were newcomers who were circumcised, converted from pagans to Judaism - a common religion. Why, because Abraham was commanded to by God. Each Jewish emigrant did not call himself an Israeli, but a Jew, he had to prove with a document confirming his birth in a Jewish family.
            1. -1
              1 December 2022 14: 50
              The Russian people consists of many nationalities. A Tatar may consider himself Russian, and so on.

              He can consider himself anyone, his right, but in common practice, nationality is determined by origin and parents. As, for example, in the Soviet birth certificate - parents, their nationality - and the nationality of the child according to one of the parents. And they can live anywhere.
              Nation is something else. This is a community of people from the same country. They may be of different nationalities. Russian is a nationality. Russians are a nation.
              Jew is a nationality. Israelis are a nation. Romansh is a nationality. The Swiss are a nation.
              And so on.
              Each Jewish emigrant did not call himself an Israeli, but a Jew, he had to prove with a document confirming his birth in a Jewish family.

              Naturally. Until he becomes an Israeli, he is not an Israeli. When he became a citizen of Israel, he became a Jew, an Israeli.
              he had to prove with a document confirming his birth in a Jewish family

              That is, to confirm their nationality.
      2. +1
        30 November 2022 20: 07
        At the end of 1945 we have one nation with Ukraine.
        1. -1
          1 December 2022 00: 33
          Formally, no. 15 republics were formally considered separate states.
          That allowed the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR to become the founders of the UN.
          1. 0
            1 December 2022 09: 13
            Another victim of the exam. There was only one state - the USSR, consisting of union republics. On the territory of the former USSR there were 15 Soviet republics and three types of autonomous entities: republics, regions, districts. Autonomous regions (AO) arose in territories where the non-Russian population was in the majority. By 1990, the USSR included 8 autonomous regions: 3 as part of the Union republics, 5 as part of the territories of the RSFSR.
            The BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR, a priori, could not participate in the founding of the UN due to their non-independent subjectivity.
            Modern Russia today is also not homogeneous in education - based on the above interpretation, Bashkiria, Tataria, Chechnya, etc. - separate states?
            I recommend the TGP course (theory of state and law), if you can do it, no - a social science textbook for grade 10.
            1. 0
              1 December 2022 10: 30
              I recommend that you read the Constitution of the USSR, everything is written there.
              If you can, of course.
  9. +2
    30 November 2022 18: 23
    Now they will show him the constitution, where all the wishes of drug addicts are registered, and he will have to take his speeches back
  10. +6
    30 November 2022 18: 27
    . To do this, we must mobilize as much military, financial and economic assistance for Ukraine as possible. We do it

    Do not hide your money in banks and corners,
    Carry your money, otherwise be trouble
    And at midnight your money is buried in the ground there,
    And at midnight bury your money in the ground where ...... wassat
  11. +6
    30 November 2022 18: 29
    “Stoltenberg said that in the event of the loss of sovereignty, Ukraine will not be able to count on membership in the alliance”

    ***

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    1. +1
      30 November 2022 18: 51
      Have. How you want and where you want. And no lubricants.
  12. +2
    30 November 2022 18: 32
    what I wonder how Banderostan can survive when the Stoltenbergs push this fool into the Russian shredder so that the spray is in different directions?
  13. +6
    30 November 2022 18: 44
    Stoltenberg urged the Ukrainian authorities to correctly set strategic priorities and take care at the current moment of preserving their state as such, and not continue to insistently demand admission to the alliance.


    Another zrada, but they thought to drag NATO into the war directly ...
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  15. -3
    30 November 2022 19: 04
    All these pandemoniums are due to the sheer impotence of the Russian leadership. What prevents within a day to end this war with an unconditional victory for Russia? Only the indecision of our leadership.
    1. 0
      30 November 2022 20: 00
      Viktor fm, not the decisiveness of the Kremlin authorities, their corruption to the Russian oligarchs! And everyone is making money on this war, which, in order to save money on the wounded and dead and to please the thieves-traitors of the Russian oligarchs, they called the war in an idiotic SVO!!!
  16. +3
    30 November 2022 19: 07
    NATO Secretary General: Now Ukraine should think about preserving the state, not about joining the alliance
    . How is that??? The Kukuevskys hope that NATO will solve all their problems for them.
  17. 0
    30 November 2022 19: 11
    Show must go on... What will our Peskov and Masha say once again?
  18. +2
    30 November 2022 19: 31
    In! Stolbenberg insinuated that Ukraine may not be. And why wag in front of the Papuans (Ukraine is parisia for the West)? There will be no Ukrainians - there are Poles, Romanians and other Balts in stock. The main thing is not to put white sahibs to slaughter.
  19. +4
    30 November 2022 19: 33
    "Ukraine" never thought and it's better not to start.
    The state of Patamusht no longer exists, and the alliance has already entered Ukraine.
  20. +2
    30 November 2022 19: 45
    Maybe Stoltenberg lays straws.
  21. +1
    30 November 2022 19: 51
    It seems that the Poles will take their territories from Ukraine, since the law has already been passed giving the rights to the Poles in Ukraine equal to the Ukrainians. Therefore, they will not accept Ukraine into NATO, otherwise one NATO member will take away territories from another. And do not forget that the Poles and Ukrainians have hatred for each other at the gene level, and even though now they seem to be "friends", all this will result in a massacre between them.
  22. +2
    30 November 2022 19: 58
    Ukraine can and will join NATO, but it will be in parts. Part in Poland, another in Hungary, the third in Romania laughing
    And this is if we lose the war, which is unlikely.
  23. +1
    30 November 2022 20: 27
    ... in the event of a loss of sovereignty, Ukraine will in no way be able to count on membership in the alliance
    (Stoltenberg)
    Well, Duc, she lost him a long time ago. Why did you have to cheat membership (in this case it sounds ambiguous) in NAT honest giver?
  24. +2
    30 November 2022 21: 59
    in case of loss of sovereignty, Ukraine will not be able to count on membership in the alliance
    Here is the discovery. In fact, no one in NATO has full sovereignty. Except USA. Turkey seems to be close to this, and even Hungary is trying to flounder. And the rest of the complete lackeys, in the truest sense of the word.
  25. -1
    1 December 2022 02: 16
    My IMHO: give the status of the state of Ukraine about. Serpentine. And that's it. What would it be ALL Ukraine. And let them live there as they want
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  27. 0
    1 December 2022 22: 45
    After the flogging of Ukraine, the desire of Moldova and Georgia to join NATO diminished.