Poland and the Baltic countries were not satisfied with the "too high" upper limit of prices for Russian oil

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Poland and the Baltic countries were not satisfied with the "too high" upper limit of prices for Russian oil

European diplomats, who made yet another attempt to agree on a ceiling for Russian oil prices, failed to do so. The original proposal, which called for a price ceiling of $65-70 for Russian oil, was rejected by representatives of Poland and the Baltic countries. Politicians in these countries said the bar was "too high". Official Warsaw believes that the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than $30 per barrel.

Moreover, these countries are promoting the adoption of a document that would allow further lowering the upper limit on Russian oil, introducing new and new sanctions against energy carriers.



Recall that all these proposals come from countries whose economy is declared as a market one. That is, countries that have long lived in fact on taxes paid by German, French, Austrian citizens - in the form of loans - now offer the entire EU to set those prices for energy from third countries that they see as the only correct ones. When their representatives from Brussels are hinted that they would be better off refraining from an overly zealous display of energy sanctions against the background of the energy crisis, they begin to exaggerate the idea of ​​“European community”, “opposition to undemocratic regimes”. At the same time, it is somehow forgotten that Europe also buys oil and gas from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which it itself calls “undemocratic”.

Another confirmation that there can be no pragmatic business relations with this Europe, in which Russophobes are increasingly voicing their voices, at least in the near future. The constant intervention of the state in the economy under the guise of "struggle for democracy" has become a norm for the EU, which has nothing to do with the market economy itself.
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  1. +2
    29 November 2022 06: 27
    Official Warsaw believes that the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than $30 per barrel.
    Wonderful are your works, Lord! After all, the Poles themselves are quietly buying oil from us. According to media reports, they are asking to prolong this deal for the next year. And how do they look at the fact that in the Russian Federation they announced that oil will not be sold to countries that support the price ceiling. Or sawing the branch on which they sit? Although, is it any wonder. request
    1. -2
      29 November 2022 06: 49
      While the bureaucrats are wiping their pants, the market looks at them in bewilderment.

      Initially, the EU proposed to limit the price of Russian oil at $65 per barrel. But since Russia is already selling its oil at a discount, all cap levels discussed are above current market rates of around $52.

      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2022/11/29/neft/amp/
      1. +1
        29 November 2022 07: 01
        Aaron, it is these bureaucrats who set the "laws of the market".
    2. 0
      29 November 2022 07: 32
      Quote: Elijah
      According to media reports, they are asking to prolong this deal for the next year.

      Straw is laid. They will set a price ceiling, but they will receive it at the old prices and contracts, and they will also resell it to the tribal states with an extra charge ... laughing
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      -1
      29 November 2022 08: 05
      Quote: Elijah
      After all, the Poles themselves are quietly buying oil from us.

      And we quietly sell them (enemies)
      Or sawing the branch on which they sit?

      They know better who is sitting on it.
  2. +6
    29 November 2022 06: 32
    The Balts and Poles are Trojan donkeys sent by the Americans to the European Union. They are doing their job properly, in the coming years the transformation of this heterogeneous and cumbersome formation is inevitable. Moreover, it will be accompanied by a showdown cleaner than the Yugoslav ones.
    1. 0
      29 November 2022 11: 21
      They say that for the second day in the European Parliament they are trying to persuade Poland that it is not the seller who should pay, but the buyer.
  3. +5
    29 November 2022 06: 36
    Official Warsaw believes that the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than $30 per barrel.

    The only thing left is to persuade Russia to sell oil at this price.
    I would personally forbid at the state level to sell oil to the Poles and the Balts at any price.
    1. -3
      29 November 2022 06: 55
      The only thing left is to persuade Russia to sell oil at this price.

      Delusion. The United States is "persuading" not Russia, but its buyers. There is an ambal in the market and tells everyone "If you buy potatoes from him, you will leave the market without teeth."
      And how long will such a seller stay on the market? Either he will dump the goods to the dealer at a cheap price, or he will rot his potatoes.
      1. +1
        29 November 2022 07: 01
        Oil is not a potato, over time it will not disappear and will not deteriorate. So you can wait until it does not remain on the market and there will definitely not be enough for everyone. So don't confuse warm with soft.
        1. +1
          29 November 2022 07: 33
          Oil is not a potato, over time it will not disappear and will not deteriorate

          So pour it into banks, since everything is so simple. Explain to the oilmen how, otherwise they do not know how to close wells.
          1. -1
            29 November 2022 07: 46
            What makes you think that our oilmen do not know how to conserve wells? Yes, this process is hemorrhoids, but quite feasible. A shortage in the market will only lead to higher oil prices, because there is simply nothing and no one to replace such volumes. In addition, the brands of oil are different, there is lighter oil like the Saudis or very heavy like in Venezuela, in Europe refineries are sharpened specifically for our brand of oil and it is simply not possible to remake them, so they will buy for anyone, the only question is how. Either directly, or bypassing sanctions through third parties, but then you can forget about the price of $60-70 per barrel, the price will be 1,5-2 times higher. We’ll frostbite our grandmother’s ears to evil, well, to hell with them, we don’t feel sorry for them from the word at all.
      2. +1
        29 November 2022 08: 53
        Quote: dauria
        And how long will such a seller stay on the market? Or he will dump the goods to a cheap dealer, or rot his potatoes

        Will normally sell to other buyers and calmly leave. Potatoes are always in price, especially if there is no harvest somewhere. laughing It is clear that this is figurative. But in fact, the supreme one said, "whoever does not like the price, let them ask around the market." And by the way, there is no excess oil in the world, just like gas.
  4. +6
    29 November 2022 06: 38
    rejected by the representatives of Poland and the Baltic countries... the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than 30 dollars per barrel.
    Survived. Not only are the Poles and the Baltic states trying to set a price for oil that they do not produce, but they are also dictating to the EU what price the union should set for Russian oil. It is rightly noted that the countries supporting their economies at the expense of Western Europe are trying to impose their own rules. They let the goat (s) into the garden on their own head. On our part, it was once again confirmed that the countries that set the price ceiling for oil will not sell this oil. But in relation to Poland and the Baltic States, which are becoming more and more impudent, it is high time to apply tough economic sanctions and decide something at the diplomatic level. Some deputies propose up to the break of diplomatic relations.
    1. +1
      29 November 2022 06: 59
      Delete from the commercial register and let them think how to arrange the transit of European goods around.
    2. -1
      29 November 2022 08: 59
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Some deputies propose up to the break of diplomatic relations

      But other "some deputies" say wait. It is necessary to use type all platforms. And that would be the type to earn, and that would be like "express your position." So what deputies to listen to? lol
  5. +3
    29 November 2022 06: 40
    Don't sell oil! Selling refined products for rubles. wassat
  6. +7
    29 November 2022 06: 40
    Putin said that we would not trade with those who would climb the "ceiling". I see no reason for journalists to follow the meeting of patients in a psychiatric hospital on the issue of the size of the marginal price. The "mental power" of the Poles and other quasi-Swedes is visible even without examinations, the reserve storage facilities of the self-propelled grandfather are emptying - it's time to arrange a "supply shortage" in the oil market. Come on, work, non-brothers, admire you enchanted!
  7. +3
    29 November 2022 06: 44
    Poland and the Baltic countries were not satisfied with the "too high" upper limit of prices for Russian oil

    Didn't suit? Do not buy! fellow
    Ride horses, bikes and locomotives! fellow laughing
  8. +2
    29 November 2022 06: 57
    They don't know what they want. Well, this is to our advantage, as long as they have a tear on the basis of Russophobia. Here they would have fought among themselves on this basis, generally lovely.
  9. +1
    29 November 2022 06: 57
    Poland and the Baltic countries were not satisfied with the "too high" upper limit of prices for Russian oil

    Russia, perhaps, is not satisfied with the geographical position of these countries and the talks around the Suwalki corridor, but it won’t flinch ... But these, wow, have expanded - navels, nostrils and other openings of the Earth ... Walk around the market - find it cheaper.
  10. +1
    29 November 2022 07: 03
    Official Warsaw believes that the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than $30 per barrel.
    And I think that Warsaw has too high a ceiling. Just a ceiling. Their ceiling should be no higher than a meter. What would forever crawling cancer. There is no need for any jackals to walk straight in principle.
  11. +3
    29 November 2022 07: 17
    Why not deliver for free? Idiet? At the prices they set, they can buy from each other. They were also warned that the Russian Federation would not supply them with oil and gas at their prices. There are market prices and contract prices, the Russian Federation supplies a significant part of oil and gas under long-term contracts, which stipulate prices and the mechanism for changing them. Here, the Finnish gas company refused to pay for gas in rubles, and a fair Swedish court found that the supplier fulfilled its contractual obligations, but the buyer did not, and obliged the latter to pay the supplied gas, penalties and legal costs. An attempt to unilaterally change the terms of contracts is the basis for its termination. There are quite enough buyers in the world, especially in Asia, although it is clear that they can put spokes into the wheels by imposing secondary sanctions on those who buy, transport, insure, etc. . But even if we imagine that no one in the world will buy our gas and oil, a catastrophe will not happen, because we have resources and will not go anywhere, on the contrary, they will not be enough for a longer period for our children and grandchildren. And in the world there are essentially no free resources, if our volumes fall out of balance, then, according to market conditions, prices will increase for buyers. Of course, some difficulties are not excluded, it is possible that a number of wells will have to be mothballed, but this is not fatal, we have considerable domestic consumption with the prospect of growth, especially for gas (how many non-gasified settlements are there in the Russian outback?). And a decrease in the influx of dollars and euros, for which they don’t want to sell something to us, can be easily overcome by developing domestic production and consumption and trading with friendly countries in their currency. There will be no famine and energy crisis in the Russian Federation, in this regard we are a self-sufficient country.
  12. +1
    29 November 2022 07: 52
    Everything is relative. Russia has energy resources, Russia has bread. We will not be left without electricity, gasoline and food. If we roll back due to sanctions in the 90s of the last century, then the EU will go to the 18th century. There are technologies, gadgets, but there are no resources to make them work. Modern production is energy-intensive and resource-intensive, you can’t leave on windmills and manure.
    1. -1
      29 November 2022 08: 18
      Quote from uprun
      then the EU is in the 18th century. There are technologies, gadgets, but there are no resources to make them work.

      I strongly doubt it .. Russia supplies about 40% of energy resources to the EU .. i.e. for several years - the decline one way or another, they are guaranteed, but in the 18th century, they absolutely will not fall .. China without oil and gas pipelines - did it develop somehow? quite developed.
  13. -1
    29 November 2022 08: 11
    Quote from uprun
    Everything is relative. Russia has energy resources, Russia has bread. We will not be left without electricity, gasoline and food. If we roll back due to sanctions in the 90s of the last century, then the EU will go to the 18th century. There are technologies, gadgets, but there are no resources to make them work. Modern production is energy-intensive and resource-intensive, you can’t leave on windmills and manure.

    I will add, and Russia has ore. Unless China has the main deposits of rare earth metals, but China and I are doomed to be allies in a common struggle.
    And the G7 are actually beggars in terms of strategic resources. Only the United States has something significant. But for many years they have been killing their real production in favor of the service market and financial bubbles.
  14. 0
    29 November 2022 08: 37
    Quote: 2 level advisor
    Quote from uprun
    then the EU is in the 18th century. There are technologies, gadgets, but there are no resources to make them work.

    I strongly doubt it .. Russia supplies about 40% of energy resources to the EU .. i.e. for several years - the decline one way or another, they are guaranteed, but in the 18th century, they absolutely will not fall .. China without oil and gas pipelines - did it develop somehow? quite developed.

    I will note about China: it developed without gas pipelines, yes. Because the United States predicted for him the role of a world factory as part of the globalist plan, and therefore pumped him up with shipbuilding technologies. And they pumped it up on their heads so that by 2030, according to forecasts, China will have the most powerful and numerous fleet on the planet.
    At the same time, it is maritime trade and routes for China that are a priority. Vital. That's why the constant graters with the Yankees about the islands and naval bases
  15. 0
    29 November 2022 09: 01
    Official Warsaw believes that the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than $30 per barrel.
    And that is high, they have a dream of 2-3, well, $ 4, "A car with a tape recorder, a suit with a low tide - and to Yalta!" fool
  16. +1
    29 November 2022 11: 29
    Quote: Amateur
    Official Warsaw believes that the price ceiling for oil from Russia should be no more than $30 per barrel.

    The only thing left is to persuade Russia to sell oil at this price.
    I would personally forbid at the state level to sell oil to the Poles and the Balts at any price.

    Moreover, until the Russian-speakers and the rest are equalized in rights with the rest of the inhabitants and all the monuments to Soviet soldiers are restored, ...
  17. 0
    29 November 2022 11: 47
    I do not understand the point of our fuss around this fight. The boss said: the price threshold is the cessation of oil supplies. Abisnyayu: any threshold. Any!
  18. 0
    30 November 2022 23: 06
    Why a price ceiling if they are imposing an embargo on December 5 ... Or this is not a real embargo.)