“Our task is not Bakhmut himself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army”: Prigozhin about the battles in Artyomovsk

The Western press drew attention to the heavy fighting of the Ukrainian army in Artyomovsk, which for several months has been one of the main battlefields between the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Bakhmut, devouring a lot of troops and equipment, has become a real funnel where forces and means go

- indicated in the New York Times.

For an hour, American journalists watched an endless stream of cars and military equipment taking out wounded militants from the front line to the only military hospital in Artyomovsk. During the day, hundreds of "300s" are taken out from the front. There are mass cases of frostbite, hypothermia and trench foot. They are being replaced by new streams of reinforcements, both special forces and hastily trained mobilized, who will have to fight the Wagner PMC.

Analysts from the United States believe that Russian units that continue to storm Artemovsk are forced to fulfill a political order: Moscow allegedly demands any military victory. However, the publication indicates that this city has become a "black hole" for the Kyiv regime, sucking out a lot of resources.

Against this background, attention is drawn to the statement of Yevgeny Prigozhin, which is replicated by foreign media.

Our task is not Bakhmut himself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the "Bakhmut meat grinder"

- said the head of PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Recall that earlier in the United States, the FBI announced a reward for information about Prigozhin. Yevgeny Prigozhin himself previously stated, not without irony, that it was easy to find him - he was in the Donbass along with his other guys.

Comments

[Sergio_7]

Our task is not Bakhmut himself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the "Bakhmut meat grinder"

God bless you guys! Take care of yourself!

[Himalayan]

Then NATO and the United States, etc., their economies need to be "grind" by such methods
Only they provide financially and logistically for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[antivirus]

The black hole takes away "extra" energy from space.
Assembles a "new project".
What is the Kremlin preparing on the island? A branch of United Russia under Medvedchuk?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: antivirus

The black hole takes away "extra" energy from space.
Assembles a "new project".
What is the Kremlin preparing on the outskirts? Branch of United Russia under Medvedchuk?

Usually they cook their own kind, otherwise it will not work.

[EMMM]

I advise you to learn Russian before sticking your pig snout on this site!

[antivirus]

For moderators.
Flood: crocodile gene is on the trail of Stirlitz
What will be noticed first?
"pig snout" or gene?
This is how the level of discussion of the site and the culture in the morph (personally Shoigu?) + in the country are determined. The great and mighty gave birth or degenerated such geniuses - a question for the site's actors

[dmi.pris1]

It’s difficult to get a decrease in combat potential in one area with a “meat grinder”. It’s all bilateral. .

[neworange88]

No. Well, the progress, albeit slow, but there is. It's just that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a lot of reserves after mobilizations.

. On Sunday, November 27, the enemy was completely driven out of the settlement. KURDYUMOVKA and OZARYANOVKA south of ARTYOMOVSK (BAKHMUTA), as well as a strategically important bridgehead in the area of ​​the settlement MAYORSK and the Seversky Donets Canal, on the eastern outskirts of TORETSK, in the area of ​​the settlement. FRIENDSHIP and NORTHERN.
In the northern part of ARTYOMOVSK (BAKHMUT), the forces of the Wagner Group are advancing and storming the settlement. UNDER THE CITY.
According to n.p. KLESHCHEEVKA, there is no exact information yet, writes the TG channel "On the march of Z".
And by Sunday evening, a message came from the Denazification UA ​​Telegram channel stating that the defense line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had been broken in the Artyomovsky (Bakhmutsky) direction: to the south of the city, the settlements of KURDYUMOVKA, ZELENOPOLYE, KLESHCHEEVKA and OZARYANOVKA were being cleaned up.
According to only one front-line hospital of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the ARTYOMOVSK region, the number of wounded over the past two days amounted to 500 people, and in just one Sunday, three vehicles used to transport them were destroyed.

https://odnarodyna.org/article/donbasskiy-front-chem-khuzhe-u-kieva-s-peremogami-tem-bolshe-snaryadov-letit-na-doneck

[lopvlad]

Quote: dmi.pris

It's all bilateral.

if it were all bilateral, then in Russia, as well as in Ukraine, mobilization would have been from February 24, it would have been indefinite, and throughout Russia there would have been huge new cemeteries with dead soldiers in every settlement.
And since there is no trace of this, it means not bilateral. And yes, an ordinary Wagnerian hero, unlike sofa marshals.

[credo]

It is probably not superfluous to once again wish our political leadership and the Defense Ministry to continue to strike at critical infrastructure, railway lines and bridges on the former territory of the Ukrainian SSR in order to hamper the supply of reinforcements and weapons to the front.

Instead of pitying the infrastructure of the former territory of the Ukrainian SSR, we must pity our fighters and do our best to save their lives for the country and family.

We must help our fighters on the front line by all available means. This is a necessary and important matter.

[Himalayan]

Well, you just can’t say the following phrase to the game about Grinding:

GDP, the economy of NATO countries, the European Union, the United States should be ground by Russia? So-so plan.

The resources created by economies are orders of magnitude larger, with a population of under 2 lard, where at least 3M are sentenced by the West to fight without a chance to survive in a truce

There was always an abundance of migranyan political toluhs in Russia, but the peacock-heyday of the Moscow Region, with a minister who had not served a single day and an even cooler replacement Ivanov ...

It can be seen that the FSB smokes bamboo ..., since this is in full growth

[Seraphimamur]

Can you be more specific about what you want to convey? Or are you abusing?

[GIS]

The resources created by economies are orders of magnitude larger, with a population of under 2 lard, where at least 3M are sentenced by the West to fight without a chance to survive in a truce

So why are they so nervous? either they themselves lack weapons, or funds, or energy resources ... and now another 5-10 million refugees will jump to them ... then what?

[EMMM]

Not 5-10 million, but not more than one: the rest have no money, from the word "Absolutely!" But even this amount will be enough for Europe to the very tonsils.

[GIS]

when there is nothing to eat, when there is no light, heat and water, then where would you move in their place?
even in the absence of money, thoughts will be that it is necessary to flee abroad

[EMMM]

Yes, I had the courage and ingenuity to bring my mother from Severodonetsk

[EMMM]

And where did the Luhansk and Donetsk old people go in the absence of light, water and heat?
But, let me repeat: "Europe will have enough of one million" independent "for complete happiness!"

[EMMM]

Oddly enough, but the rats in the barrel will eat themselves. Read Russian literature.

[GIS]

Well, not all the population left there is rats. someone is just a mouse. silent and imperceptible as a moth. but that doesn't make it any easier. it will be bad for everyone on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR until all neo-Nazis and swushniks are buried

[order64]

When my friend in the 14th year told me what kind of patriots this "right sector" was, I immediately told her that you would not live well for a long time.

[EMMM]

And "Moskalyaku on Gillyaku!" remember? And this is almost the entire left bank, except for Nikolaev and Odessa.
I approve: rats!

[Rage66]

Too bad there aren't many of them. 100 thousand people like the Wagnerians would have finished everything very quickly

[Normal]

There may be more, much more, and they are. It's just that in the army there are a lot of gaskets in solving certain problems, a lot of coordination and phone calls, a lot of bureaucracy and even theft. That is why the musicians are so effective, because they are mobile in making decisions, and they put the bolt in agreement with the staff lamps. They know their business well and are not hindered from doing it to the maximum.

And if there are 100 thousand of them, then they will turn into those about whom I wrote above. The volume implies a lot of routine, and it, the routine reduces the quality.

[tralflot1832]

I liked the way the Wagnerian described the delivery of ammunition to the front line. One call to the rear and that's it.

[Normal]

Yes, that's right and obvious. Therefore, there cannot be many of them.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, according to excerpts from the biographies of the Wagnerites, he took the best for himself, who were tired of paperwork, only the result is important. What is needed, everything will be, well, except for the MBR ..

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: tralflot1832

Yes, according to excerpts from the biographies of the Wagnerites, he took the best for himself, who were tired of paperwork, only the result is important. What is needed, everything will be, well, except for the MBR ..

2/3 of the Wagnerites are convicts who are thrown into battle regardless of losses.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

2/3 of the Wagnerites are convicts who are thrown into battle regardless of losses.

Well, according to your logic, do our cheeks fight better than military personnel? Do you have to go to jail to fight?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Cheshire

Quote: Aron Zaavi

2/3 of the Wagnerites are convicts who are thrown into battle regardless of losses.

Well, according to your logic, do our cheeks fight better than military personnel? Do you have to go to jail to fight?

They don't fight like super. The same MP is orders of magnitude better.

[gurzuf]

Have you seen them live in combat? If not, then... don't worry.

[tralflot1832]

Uh-huh, don’t carry heresy. This is Prigozhin’s capital. Africa, Libya, Syria and Ukraine, fighters who have gone through fire and water. Prisoners alone will not make a difference .. There is an opportunity in Russia to read obituaries on the Wagnerites. There are "monsters" that have gone through more than one war. And the necropolis in Goryachiy Klyuch really exists.

[Normal]

tell this to the Americans so that they burn the beginning, since it was they who were the first to admit that today this is the best PMC in the world. If you are not banned in Google, then you will find information, the maxim was published in the press about two months ago, and, I also forgot to add, they added these "convicts" of duty, the game is so famous, and according to the plot, these "convicts" smash the striped special forces. Write to Ysche))))) let's laugh at the whole portal)))

[Synoid]

Well, this is more of an Israel experience. There, either girls are fighting, or mentally deranged or prisoners. And the men either knock their heads against the wall or dance at the gay parade)))

[tatarin1972]

The eternal disease of our army is the fear of normal initiative, the fear of taking responsibility. Everyone is waiting for a decision from above.

[ch28k38]

In the army, initiative without an order is nothing but Makhnovshchina and partisanism, although the partisans had a headquarters.

[solar]

Makhno also had a headquarters. And even counterintelligence :))

[dmmyak40]

Zakovsky, if I'm not mistaken? Subsequently, the commissioner of state security of the 3rd rank and one of Yezhov's deputies?

[solar]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Зиньковский,_Лев_Николаевич

[dmmyak40]

Ah, Tolstoy's prototype of Leva Zadov...

[solar]

He is. In the movies, he turned out to be a caricature, but in life, it seems, everything was not so simple.

The text of your comment is short and, according to the site administration, carries a lot of useful information :)

[dmmyak40]

No, in life he was a very seasoned counterintelligence agent who could be useful to any government: it was precisely on such characters that Trotsky staked. First, a professional, and then nationality and class. Hangman Slashchev taught at a military school and nothing ...
It doesn't matter what color the cat is. the main thing is that she catches mice ...

[John Smith]

when I mention the Wagnerites, I don’t think about them, but about the army? Why is there no such equipment with large budgets? such training of junior commanders? the mere fact that they carry out the tasks of the army is a very kind of signal, so no one will bring the army into condition? so will the generals drop the suitcases of the budget for beautiful shoulder straps for the benefit of their grandchildren?

[Bomb]

Never. Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment and, according to the site administration, does not carry useful information.

[Two]

God help you Uncle Zhenya! Destroy this rubbish to the fullest!

[Petr_Koldunov]

the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has a very positive effect on other areas

In which specific direction was their combat potential reduced? In Kharkov, where during the Bakhmut meat grinder, bloomers accumulated a huge number of assault units, and in a day they took thousands of square kilometers of territory and many settlements, including cornerstones (Balakleya, Kupyansk, Izyum)?
Or in Kherson, where, again, during the Bakhmut meat grinder, bloomers accumulated an even more powerful group, because of which we surrendered the Russian regional center and about 1200 sq. Km to the Nazis without a fight. RUSSIAN territory, also cutting itself off from the right bank of the Dnieper (and if nothing changes in the NWO, then forever)?
In what direction was the potential of NATO troops, reinforced by suicide bombers, reduced ???

PS - These questions are not for Wagner!!! The guys are fighting like terminators, we bow to them ... Questions to those who betray them daily in the military leadership of the operation!

[Normal]

Welcome skakuas, all for you.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Normal

Welcome skakuas, all for you.

I don't like humor! Baba Yaga vs. There is a proposal, according to the old tradition, "the first whip to the scammer" Hands off, from the king-father!

[Non-fighter]

There are mass cases of frostbite, hypothermia and trench foot

Non-combat losses. As for the "trench foot", this problem is more than a hundred years old, it has been going on since the 1st World War.

[Normal]

But I asked you for weapons, a lot of weapons, because I wanted to protect the whole world ... they didn’t believe it ... and now I’m sitting here and missing Nenka.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Normal

But I asked you for weapons, a lot of weapons, because I wanted to protect the whole world ... they didn’t believe it ... and now I’m sitting here and missing Nenka.

I believed it, but the expression is not enough, it reminds me of the babble of a wino. Where are the offers that cannot be refused, where are the prospects, "the USA over which the sun does not set," and the key is in my hands. And you, gentlemen, funny 1,5 lard .... It's funny, but money in advance!

[t-12]

not Bakhmut himself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential

I do not quite understand how many months of frontal attacks on the enemy's fortifications will destroy his army. Well, he will exchange Prigozhit a thousand convicted PMC-shnikov for a thousand mobilized APU-shnikov. And what will it give? Or is it a game of "Verdun 2.0"?

In general, any protracted war is an economic, industrial, logistical war. Will the Russian Federation be able to produce more modern weapons and uniforms than are destroyed at the front? Will the Russian Federation be able to destroy more Western equipment than it is produced? Who will be exhausted faster: the Russian Federation or the West?

[topol717]

Quote: t-12

I do not quite understand how many months of frontal attacks on the enemy's fortifications will destroy his army.

Who told you about frontal attacks?
There is nothing close to it. There are well-fortified positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and artillery is used for the assault, and everything is also mined there.
They work there approximately according to the scheme, they found out, ironing the artillery and clearing the approaches, advanced 100 meters. And in a new circle. Found, artillery, clearing 50 meters.

[UAZ 452]

They work there approximately according to the scheme, they found out, ironing the artillery and clearing the approaches, advanced 100 meters. And in a new circle. Found, artillery, clearing 50 meters.

If they advanced 50-100 meters a day there, Bakhmut would have walked from edge to edge in 4 months, even with weekend breaks. Or did you mean - 50-100 meters per month?

[Bomb]

37 oligarchs of the Russian Federation said we won’t buy a single helmet for the front. their "hard-earned money" turned out to be blocked offshore and issued in batches during regroupings. The list of "heroes" is online. There the situation is reversed + all of Europe. Now the question is who will be depleted faster in the absence of proper support for the army inside the country, I generally keep quiet about foreign support with the exception of Iran.

[Two]

And how much PMCs lose, because they work from the attack. There is a cruel meat grinder.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Denis Pushilin made a number of statements regarding the Donetsk front. According to him, the battles for Maryinka are already in the center of the settlement. Pushilin also confirmed information about the successes in the offensive of the RF Armed Forces in the vicinity of Artemovsk - the situation is close to the encirclement of the city ..

[UAZ 452]

Here are just the first reports of the battles for Marinka date back to March.

[Engineer]

It turns out that a mixture of Verdun with hashar from convicts is an effective way to destroy the enemy.

[UAZ 452]

I am not the first to make such a comment, but I also cannot understand how frontal attacks on fortified positions help in reducing the combat potential of the Ukrainian army? If the Wagnerites are advancing (for four months they are advancing on one small town, and the LBS maps of August are not much different from those of November), without having a numerical superiority, then this means that they are tying down the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine equal in number, so what is the profit on the scale of everything DB theater? And if Wagner has superiority in numbers and combat power, then all the more so - it turns out that with smaller forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the superior forces of the enemy are already shackling for half a year already.
To be objective and impartial, the commander of the defending Bakhmut / Artyomovsk forces deserved praises and awards with much more reason than those who led the four-month "assault".

[Vyacheslav Krylov]

The technology of success is a closed topic.

[UAZ 452]

There is a feeling that it is closed even from those who are called to get this success. Moreover, information about the technology is missing at all levels, including the highest command.

[Adrey]

Quote: UAZ 452

There is a feeling that it is closed even from those who are called to get this success. Moreover, information about the technology is missing at all levels, including the highest command.

You are wrong. Nothing like this. There, people understand very well what success is and how to achieve it. This is evident in the many comments here, both in writing and sincere.
It's just that your understanding of success may not coincide at all with the goals and objectives of those people being achieved. But it is the achievement of the GOAL that is the measure of success

[Mavrikiy]

Analysts from the United States believe that Russian units continuing the assault on Artyomovsk forced to fulfill political order: Moscow allegedly demands any military victory.

No no no. There are commissars, detachments, and these, like them, hostages (although what , but without them, the picture does not work )! And the handshakes and almost heaven-hundreds resist, saving not the West, but mankind!.... I think they will not agree to anything less, because everything is measured in pennies. Like 1000 years ago.

[place]

The enemy's task is the same that Prigozhin told us in the simplicity of a soldier. Both him and him.... Both sides are doing well. Well, what about the railways? They are needed by both. Them to bring from there to here. Us to take goods from here to there. No one says that Russia has stopped trading with Europe ..... we live not only in oil and gas, not only .... In our propaganda, they loved the thesis about that. that on the eve of the Second World War, trains from the USSR went to Germany .... what has changed since then? They are coming.

[Sergej1972]

To be fair, the German trains also came to us until June 22.

[Quote Lavrov]

How short human memory is... at the beginning they said that we were not taking Kyiv, the central and northern regions because the goal was to grind the Armed Forces of Ukraine without letting them retreat to the cities.
.... they forgot about what kind of slop some people fed children in schools, in order to put more profit from the state contract for food in schools in their pocket and made him some kind of war genius without realizing that this money should go to the regular Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (and not to assemble again by ourselves or by the whole world) and not to those who were pulled out of the zones ... And then the owners of PMCs (by the way, what Civil Code, by law, in general, the monopoly on the creation of law enforcement agencies was taken away from the state) own political ambitions and get a state within a state.
... some stupidest possible pictures, slogans, pathetic comments .... well, I just want to ask - if we have such a stupid, worthless, chipped and demotivated enemy, then why are we not on the border with Poland yet? Well, we only belittle ourselves with these pictures ...

How short is the memory of many ... probably that is why we are played over and over again on the same notes, and every time we "forget" everything again and again. And if so, then, probably, we deserved reality in the form of only pathetic photo collages and slogans.

[Vyacheslav Krylov]

It's not bad, it's even worse. Who is capable of isolating the essential from the muddy stream of a mixture of info and disinformation in order to reconstruct the unspeakable? Memory is good for storing reconstructions, not the original stream of verbiage.

[Adrey]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

How short is the memory of many ...

Also lack of imagination
Wars don't last forever. One way or another, this one will end. What will happen in the country when THESE people return from the front?..

[runway-1]

Yes, it all looks pretty bad and is a clear illustration of the current situation. Apparently stupid pictures-demotivators and the same numerous comments with screaming slogans should compensate for the problems that have arisen ...

[order64]

"this money should go to the ordinary Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (and not be collected again by ourselves or by the whole world) and not to those who were pulled out of the zones" . sir, somehow the facts about 1,5 million sets of uniforms for the military personnel of the Moscow Region, not to mention more "petty" thefts, somehow did not stick in your memory. What was the Serdyukov case worth in rubles? And the fact that the "musicians" fight no worse, and in many ways better than some elite units, is a fact, and an indisputable one

[cniza]

Our task is not Bakhmut himself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the "Bakhmut meat grinder"

Very smart answer...

[oleg_627]

Well done Wagner! Donetsk and Luhansk are also normal. Because commanders have been fighting for years and understand the structure of the war. And Shoigu and his supergenerals, through one woman with swollen lips, love grace and beauty. The main tank is to be clean and beautiful. Like in a parade and norms. And tanks and self-propelled guns needed only 10-20 pieces each. One drone and one uniform for exhibitions to show And grandmas for the army.

[iouris]

The principle is correct. However, Donetsk is heavily shelled (and not only).
Our goal is to destroy NATO.

[BarsIK]

Quote: Himalayan

The resources created by economies are orders of magnitude larger, with a population of under 2 lard, where at least 3M are sentenced by the West to fight without a chance to survive in a truce

I wonder how GDP compares? GDP is relatively considered ...
In the Russian Federation, a conditional bun costs 50 rubles, and in the EU the same one costs 2 euros - the GDP of the EU is more than twice that of the Russian Federation! And made from the same, just different production costs

[t200404]

Maybe it's terrible, but he and Kadyrov are now the only ones who call everything by their proper names.