Comparison of front-line life of Ukrainian and Russian soldiers

Due to heavy rains, the positions of the infantry turned into sumps of water and clay. While Ukrainian fighters are taking “mud baths” in them, Russian soldiers are comfortably serving in well-equipped trenches and dugouts.

Videos of the hard life of the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are appearing on the network, forced to hold positions knee-deep in water, and to rest in it. Ukrainian propaganda is trying to give the hardships of service a heroic look, comparing the current hardships with the life of the Entente soldiers during the protracted battle for Verdun, which took place in the First World War.

At the same time, footage of the equipped Russian positions is being published. The soldiers, on their own, dug a dugout in the trench crossings, trimmed its walls and floor with boxes of ammunition, installed a potbelly stove, and placed a tent with a generator in the distance, where they go to shower and bath.

The everyday situation on the front line depends primarily on the desire of the soldiers themselves to improve their lives in the already difficult conditions of the front. If the officer also takes care of his personnel, looking for the necessary equipment, the same generator, then the life of the military personnel is greatly simplified. And to call Ukrainian loafers drowning in mud “heroes of Verdun” is to cover up their idleness. No one for the soldiers will deal with the arrangement of their positions - neither "Uncle Sam" nor the European "partners".

Comparison of front-line life:

Comments

[Machete]

When there is a positional war, you can settle down as well as you like. No questions.
And when you constantly attack the enemy, then there is no time to build capital fortifications for yourself and there is no need. Especially if there is a constant promotion.
And the enemy is the same if he constantly retreats.
Hence the mud in the trenches and the water.

[neworange88]

Videos of the hard life of the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are appearing on the network, forced to hold positions knee-deep in water, and to rest in it.

Maybe they specially arranged the dirt so that the pigs would start there. And then how can it be without fat? Most likely they are trying to engage in pig breeding there. It turns out that life is being adjusted.

[Uncle lee]

Quote from: neworange88

so that the pigs start up there.

A pig will find dirt!

[Michael]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote from: neworange88

so that the pigs start up there.

A pig will find dirt!

By the way, pigs are very clean animals and wallow in puddles solely for hygiene. Many African natives keep their bodies clean in much the same way. They are rubbed with clay, and then the clay is removed from the body along with sweat and dead epidermis.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Michael

African natives keep their bodies clean in much the same way.

And everyone believes that the ancient Sumerians invented it, and then the pigs and the natives learned ... Or vice versa?

[Shurik70]

I am glad in the video that ours have a dry dugout, beds with blankets, and a stove with a generator. But there are certainly other places where things are worse.
And many of ours also have a problem with mud there, especially immediately after changing positions.
But the longer you sit in one place, the better you settle down.
So the Bandera people will arrange comfort. If we give them more time to sit there.

[Monster_Fat]

Hmm, well, you can always find one ostentatious dugout, especially somewhere far away from the front line. No one will drag a generator and even install a shower on the front line if it changes every single day. They are overgrown with amenities only where there are no military operations with varying success and where drones are not particularly annoying. It seems that on the "real" advanced life of both sides does not differ from each other.

[Alexander Fomichev]

the main reason for the death of polar expeditions is FIRE. There were whole years in the Arctic when NOBODY survived from any expedition, among the first reasons there was always a FIRE and frostbite (lethal) of the survivors. */ fry cracklings and cut price tags from new socks is not bad, will the next "episode" be familiar later

[lopvlad]

Quote: Shurik70

So the Bandera people will arrange comfort. If we give them more time to sit there.

yes, we saw their trenches in which they sat for several months in the summer. So not only did they not establish any comfort there, they didn’t even bury the corpses of their colleagues for months. They drank, ate and shit next to the corpses of their comrades decomposing for months. They can't destroy or destroy anything.

[Shurik70]

Quote: lopvlad

yes, we saw their trenches in which they sat for several months in the summer

Believe me, there are also people on the other side who also love comfort.
Not all of them are bandits, for whom taking a shovel with a hammer is a humiliation.
Yes, and from our side, Wagner conducted an experiment - to take criminals into their ranks from prisons. So then they themselves had to end it when they ran across to their brothers in spirit. I hope that such experiments will not be repeated again. But in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they practice this

[Michael]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: Michael

African natives keep their bodies clean in much the same way.

And everyone believes that the ancient Sumerians invented it, and then the pigs and the natives learned ... Or vice versa?

The Chukchi make it even easier, because it is very cold for them to undress and smear themselves with clay. They wear underwear with fur inside and change it periodically. And the used, where sweat and dead epidermis accumulated in the wool, are frozen until completely dry and beaten out like a carpet from dust. And you can wear it again.

[Shurik70]

Old anecdote:

The Chukchi are asked
- Tell me, how do you wash your clothes?
- Snow, snow clean.
- In the summer?
- Yes, what a summer ...

I heard a similar joke about a Ukrainian, but not about washing, snow and summer, but about washing, a river and winter.

[Petr7]

it seems that the VSUs live in the mud so as not to wash, and to be clean

[insafufa]

Well, the Mongols rub themselves with mutton fat for hygiene, and reindeer herders in the far north also rub themselves with lard and then scrape off themselves and rub themselves with fresh reindeer lard. A pig is not a clean animal, it can easily gobble up your shit, the main thing is that it should be fresh. There was such a case, our boys decided not to run to the toilet on the farm, and next to the pigsty they went for a long time, so the pigs happily munched all this afterwards. Since then, I can't even see pigs.

[Michael]

Quote: insafufa

Well, the Mongols rub themselves with mutton fat for hygiene, and reindeer herders in the far north also rub themselves with lard and then scrape off themselves and rub themselves with fresh reindeer lard. A pig is not a clean animal, it can easily gobble up your shit, the main thing is that it should be fresh. There was such a case, our boys decided not to run to the toilet on the farm, and next to the pigsty they went for a long time, so the pigs happily munched all this afterwards. Since then, I can't even see pigs.

The pig is a very clean animal, even in the cramped conditions of the stall, it always defecates in the farthest corner from the feeder, these are not cows that poop right under their feet. And as for eating human feces, a person eats very tasty and does not digest everything, so hungry animals eat up, and dogs too. In principle, if there is a desire to check, you can go to the chickens in the feeder for the most part - they munch into a fight. Will you not eat chicken, or duck and geese?

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

These are not cows that poop right under their feet.

Well, not entirely correct, cows on a leash, or in a narrow space. They don't have a choice.

[Michael]

On grazing, with an electric shepherd, cows eat and immediately defecate where they have to. Pigs immediately choose a place where to poop and go only there. Pass both those and these, so I know what I'm writing about.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

So I didn't live in the city either. Cows go to grazing already with a developed habit of being kept on a leash. Pigs do not have such restrictions from birth.

[Michael]

Genetically developed)))). Wild cows go back and forth across the steppes and where the night has found them, they sleep there. The wild pig is a sedentary animal and has a permanent bed where it comes to sleep. Accordingly, from this, the habit will defecate in different ways. And the stall content of both cattle and pigs is 99%, since agricultural production. It is impossible to grow horses in a stall, they need to run)))). Which is very sad, because. horses are very tasty, but expensive.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Wild cows go back and forth across the steppes and where the night has found them, they sleep there.

Oh where are you. So let's get to other wild artiodactyls, in the initial comment they did not specify that we are talking about wild ones. Wild, and even domestic, eat a large amount of grass and are forced to move to another place. Homemade for another grazing. Also not a logical comparison with pigs, they do not migrate. It is also not logical to compare wild pigs with domestic pigs in terms of feces; wild pigs do not have a permanent place in this regard.

[Michael]

In the stall, the cow defecates under her feet, eats and shits. Pig - defecates in the farthest corner from the feeder. It is a fact. And both have a choice. Therefore, I propose to stop the discussion.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

In the stall, the cow is tied up and she cannot choose where to go. The pig is free to move. So the comparison is incorrect from the word at all. And this is an undeniable fact. So it is pointless to dispute this situation.

[Michael]

Quote: Vasilyevich Pensioner

In the stall, the cow is tied up and she cannot choose where to go. The pig is free to move. So the comparison is incorrect from the word at all. And this is an undeniable fact. So it is pointless to dispute this situation.

I don't see the connection.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

I see the links!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michael]

They are wild cows and have to be tied up. Only and everything.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

The stump is clear and they have nowhere to go
And so they have no choice

[Michael]

It is worth looking at the horns and the way this animal looks at the photographer, you are convinced of the wildness and the need for a leash.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

how this one looks at the photographer, you are convinced of the savagery

When you approach them, they are always watching. And the horns never signified savagery. Now, if the bull looks like that, yes to the pasture, then you should think about the meaning of his gaze and horns.

[Michael]

Oh, let's not talk about bulls and boars. I grew up and live and work in the countryside. The pasture of cows and pigs is not for a red word, but really a pass. Moreover, I have a diploma of a scientific agronomist with a specialization in vegetable growing. Such a specialization, but I know very well how to grow and slaughter, and stuff sausage into the intestines.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

So who is driving from there? Cows grazed, pigs were simply driven out of the outskirts to graze them.

Moreover, I have a diploma of a scientific agronomist with a specialization in vegetable growing.

This is another story.

I know perfectly well how to grow and slaughter, and how to stuff sausage into the intestines.

So in the village they always coped with this themselves. My grandfather also had a smokehouse on the shore of the lake.

[Michael]

All!!! Tfu on you. And once again tfu. Especially for the smokehouse and straight saliva. The discussion is counterproductive and stops.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Tfu on you.

Past

And once again tfu.

Mazila.

The discussion is counterproductive and stops.

So it was necessary to immediately accept my innocence and deal with the end.

[Michael]

There are two opinions - mine and the wrong one.

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Yes, about:

and straight up saliva.

You are more careful with emotions, otherwise you take your own on the display for someone else's.

There are two opinions

Doesn't seem to argue with that.
Mine and yours.

wrong.

Full order.

[Seraphimamur]

A good tip for the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: let them smear themselves with mud for hygienic purposes. Very relevant, especially at this time of the year.

[Incvizitor]

Dirt for Bunler pigs is a native element; sweat is everywhere and they create it for themselves.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

And when you constantly attack the enemy, then there is no time to build capital fortifications for yourself and there is no need. Especially if there is a constant promotion.

Ahh 404th support is understandable. Their pigs. They are advancing... In the direction of the cemeteries.

[Zug]

My brother tma now fights in about the same way, in the same conditions. Rain, mud, water and cold. It’s only near sofa udots that our soldiers live in strawberries with carpets on the walls and a jacuzzi in a separate room. But in fact they are wet , cold and frozen. And moreover, not everyone returns from positions

[Shark Lover]

It's just that not all bloggers and correspondents reach the front line. Even if they wanted to, they don’t let many people in, they don’t like them very much there. Therefore, they shoot in front-line areas where there is comfort. On the front line (600 meters to the enemy), you can’t drown the stove very much, the “heating” will fly in right away. So ours are also there in the mud, thinner.

[Zug]

Yes, at least when my brother called me, about a week ago he said: Did you see a photo of the First World War? in an open field where everything is flooded with water

[VSO-396]

Quote: Zug

Yes, at least when my brother called me, about a week ago he said: Did you see a photo of the First World War? in an open field where everything is flooded with water

Yes, and so it is, and on both sides, otherwise the pranksters ran into the branch, obviously not serving ...

[brdm]

I support. I have my brother and friends there. Who stands in the fields, the conditions with such crappy weather are not what ...

[Evil 55]

There are no parapets. The water drain is not calculated and not diverted. There are no decks and transverse water-retaining rollers. In general, a pig, she will find dirt everywhere ..

[Zug]

We have the same thing, no difference. Like, for example, dig a trench in a swamp or make it dry in a plowed field in autumn under the rain

[solar]

Look where the trench is. If in the lowlands, then no parapets can hold back the water, it will show through from below.

[Zug]

We have absolutely the same thing, no difference. What will a soldier do when he is sent to a field in a position in a swamp where the landscape is like near Verdun or on the Somme?

[mitrich]

Another propaganda piece. They took one example of how bad they are, and one of how good we are. The trenches are next to each other, on the same theater, which means the conditions are the same. And the mentality, count one. So we have enough complete sludge. What this StrangeVO in all its glory showed.

[zorch]

I can imagine how ukrovoiny getting up from the trench yelling: - For the Green clown, for his dacha in Italy, forward, attack!

[insafufa]

He has a dacha in Switzerland next to the mansion of Yeltsin's daughter

[VSO-396]

And you, dear zorch, imagine less, but forward to the draft board, and there will be a chance in real life to hear what they are yelling at. How about from kindergarten...

[insafufa]

I don’t agree with you that the soldier who doesn’t dig in and doesn’t build dugouts in the second company in the Caucasus is bad, we had a dugout, although I don’t like to dig the ground, to be honest, I don’t see this business, but still tried to dig in when moving. So we always had shelves or polyethylene in a roll, you pull out for yourself and your squad, cover the trench with a shelf or sprinkle it with polyethylene around the edges with turf, no matter how rain or downpour it is, it is always dry and comfortable always saves from shelling and random bullets. So once we did it like this, they dug a trench on top of it, rolled a padded infantry fighting vehicle 1 burnt out, consider a pillbox, it turns out, and a direct hit by a mortar is not afraid.

[smart ass]

I can’t believe at all that our fighters live in dryness and warmth.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The everyday situation at the forefront, first of all, depends on the desire of the command to send engineering equipment there for arrangement, and to a lesser extent depends on the desire of the fighters.

[Napayz]

Oh really?
Those. Do you think it turns out that the fighters want everything to be, but do not want to do anything for this?
As far as I remember, "engineers" first of all equip command posts, and work for infantry if there is time left.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I'm talking about engineering vehicles that dig trenches, but what are you talking about?

[Napayz]

Do engineering vehicles work on their own and are there in any unit, starting, for example, with a platoon?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Engineering vehicles are requested as needed. And I ask you not to confuse peacetime, and the then arrangement of command posts, with a situation of high-intensity conflict, when there is little time for arranging positions and mechanization is very necessary.

[Napayz]

Those. Is the peacetime principle "to teach what is necessary in war" wrong? Did "hard to learn easy to fight" discovered some nuances? Like, in peacetime, the fighters suffered, tearing off trenches, but "in war" it will be easier, everything will be done by special equipment and the same specially trained people?
And yes, with the beginning

a conflict of high intensity, when there is little time for arranging positions and mechanization is very necessary.

has engineering equipment and divisions become a multiple?

[saigon]

The infantry themselves dig trenches, those who want to live dig, those who do not want to live do not dig.
Whoever wants to live with whatever comfort makes comfort.
And the flooded trenches, well, the terrain is such and the excuse is cool and the commander does not kick in the gut, does not force him to work, but you yourself can see laziness or hell.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You see, I have already read this in this topic, do not take it in your address. But it begins to seem to me that requests, commands and orders should be documented and accumulated in the military prosecutor's office. And then to the commanders who left their positions, and their superiors, to make claims about the lack of requests for engineering equipment, the replacement of faulty batteries and other inconsistencies. There are many who want to shift their own inaction onto the shoulders of fighters on the front line, like
- Fuck you, not a rotary excavator, I don’t have it and I won’t ask for you, I have no desire.

[gromit]

How do you imagine an excavator in the first line of trenches?) Or a crowd of soldiers in the same first line, waving shovels?

This topic is not worth a damn.
They sit in shifts in trenches, trying not to attract attention, but rest in the rear, where dugouts and a bathhouse are located.
Everyone has exactly the same conditions.

Long before the war, in 2012, our Airborne Forces conducted joint exercises with the US Army.
They were very surprised that the Yankees did not have a field kitchen, and instead of tents, they had a waterproof sleeping bag.
When asked what to do if it rains, snows and mud, the Americans shrugged their shoulders and said - "the soldier is not sugar, let them endure and rotate more often."

[Yves762]

Quote from Gromit

How do you imagine the excavator in the first line of trenches?)

Yesterday, in the defense zone of 20 OA, a Ukrainian climbed into an amazing attack, driving to the front on two excavators. Most likely, the equipment was brought in to dig deeper, but something went wrong and the excavators ended up in the advanced combat formations of the attacking enemy. As a result, of course, they were unwound, the excavators were burned. This is certainly not a tank or infantry fighting vehicle, but also interesting.

- https://t.me/topwar_official/65782
It would be a wish!
And then - how lucky ...
In general, there are options for digging the "first line":

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do you want to say that such technology does not exist, or that even if it exists, you refuse the right to use it?
Maybe the military prosecutor's office should be interested in people like you for refusing to create long-term fortifications in a mechanized way?
Like, I have a machine gun, but under no circumstances will I give it to you!

[gromit]

There is no technology in the world that can open an equipped line of defense at the forefront))

The leading edge is in direct line of sight of the enemy.
Artillery in closed positions is constantly moving, but then a bulldozer will roll out under direct fire?

You can, of course, manually cover the trench section with profiled sheets, scoop out water and ennoble the walls with boards.
Only the enemy also sees all this perfectly and knows where you are.
The vast majority would prefer to sit in a hole with mud in the rain, but alive.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Did I propose to dig trenches under direct fire from enemy tank guns? Why frank idiocy to offer for consideration? In most cases, there are opportunities for engineering equipment to work. Or in other words, engineering technology is used when there are opportunities for this.

[insafufa]

There is such an engineering vehicle called a small sapper shovel and a soldier. In Chechnya, there were a lot of engineering vehicles, they dug ditches, ammunition storage points, an ammunition supply point, but we dug trenches for ourselves and our vehicles with our own hands like moles.

[rocket757]

Due to heavy rains, the positions of the infantry turned into sumps of water and clay. While Ukrainian fighters are taking “mud baths” in them, Russian soldiers are comfortably serving in well-equipped trenches and dugouts.

. And yet, EVERYONE has difficulties due to bad weather! Don't idealize everything at once.
Not everyone is good in the trenches, such are the costs of field, earthen fortifications.

[Mazunga]

I tore off the cell and dragged with me a piece of polyethylene of a thick square 4 covered myself from above and I don’t want to smoke, but I collected tumbleweed at the bottom as a mattress turned out but the place was dry though and March

[rocket757]

Soldier's life, it is like that, everyone settles down as best he can, for what they thought and there is enough zeal.
Although, with the help of modern construction equipment, everything can be arranged better, but not everywhere it is ... and such an eternal tool as a shovel is more accessible to everyone.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rocket757

Soldier's life, it is like that, everyone settles down as best he can, for what they thought and there is enough zeal.

We have a small river, about a meter wide, flowing. But to wash, to wash - you will freeze your ears. Water flowed from the glacier. As a friend, the sappers “dug out” a pool of five or six cubic meters by explosion for us. From the mountain river there is an entrance ditch, and an outlet ditch there. In the morning, the inlet "valve" was blocked with a pebble - during the day, warm water to wash and wash. In the evening, the stone was removed - overnight the water was clear. In winter, a sauna-heater was made in a tent.
We lived in cleanliness and comfort.

[rocket757]

When you sit in one place for a long time, you can create a piece of "comfort". When everything moves, back and forth, everything becomes more complicated, more prosaic...

[orionvitt]

"Ukrainian loafers drowning in mud", for eight years, the entire Donbass was dug up like moles. All landings were turned into strongholds. And the dugouts were warm, everything was there. So I agree with you, when going back and forth, then there is no time for comfort.

[Alexander Fomichev]

No one will ever be able to completely clear Donbass of mines. not alive those who remember what is there and where ... in the LDNR there is a whole PAID service of the Ministry of Emergencies, which will issue an ACT on the absence of a threat "for example, in a summer cottage and an adjacent path" .. about 50t.r. not in the gray area. If in a gray ACT one-time and no one will stand up for you later, be heroic and rescue.

[insafufa]

I tore off the cell and dragged with me a piece of polyethylene of a thick square 4 covered myself from above and I don’t want to smoke, but I collected tumbleweed at the bottom as a mattress turned out but the place was dry though and March

They did the same, but if you want to live in the second company in the Caucasus, know how to spin and think ahead of the soldier's wisdom.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: rocket757

And yet, EVERYONE has difficulties due to bad weather! Don't idealize everything at once.
Not everyone is good in the trenches, such are the costs of field, earthen fortifications.

At the exercises in Soviet times, they sat for three days in trenches, equipped, sheathed with boards. , but were almost knee-deep in liquid, icy mud .. War is always mud, sweat and blood ... March, then a thaw, then it freezes ... Everyone is like that. Especially in the fall in the rain and sleet ... We put on shoe covers from OZK on our boots ... It helped a little ..

[rocket757]

Look, even, the front-line chronicle, remember the past and ... we don’t live in the desert, we fight, the climate is such that it creates many difficulties for the fighters.

[insafufa]

At the exercises in Soviet times, they sat for three days in trenches, equipped, sheathed with boards. , but were almost knee-deep in liquid, icy mud .. War is always mud, sweat and blood ... March, then a thaw, then it freezes ... Everyone is like that. Especially in the fall in the rain and sleet ... We put on shoe covers from OZK on our boots ... It helped a little ..

My friend, if you make drainage pits and alternately draw water from there, then the slurry is not a problem itself, so it’s like that in the winter in the Caucasus there from November to April, constant rains and mud up to the knees, and our trenches were dry and there were galleries covered with a canopy and polyethylene with a mask net where they sat and it didn't rain in the rain, only the observers roamed around in shifts while the rest rested and dried off. That's the worst thing in a warrior is lice and combat diarrhea.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: insafufa

That's the worst thing in a warrior is lice and combat diarrhea.

My grandfather, who went through the entire Second World War, said that lice in the trenches start up from melancholy ... Well, combat diarrhea is understandable from what .. Any brave man will be let in. If only not in time for the battle ...

[Alexander Fomichev]

the current ones have a lot of berets, they forgot about boots on the "nail". And even more so, they don’t know that they throw out small mines from boots at the time of the explosion. in '92 in TajAfg. 5 hours ago, a soldier's leg was sewn on after MON-1, in Dushanbe .. guts. Here's an eye only to '95.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Alexander Fomichev

the current ones have a lot of berets, they forgot about the boots on the "nail"

In the service in Czechoslovakia, TsGV, in joint exercises with the Czechs, it was a pity to watch how they champed their super berets in the mud ... ) scooped liquid clay water over the edge of the shoe ... They got stuck and cursed ... And we overtook them ... And then I appreciated the reliability of the boots .. Yes, they also got wet in the end, but not like that.

[panov_panov]

The first part of the video reminded me of pigs in the village.

[Li17]

Everything depends on the commander .... From my own experience, I know that in order to arrange a normal life for myself, I had to constantly kick ... Considering that the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as such have disappeared and there are no people who want to deal with this issue for natural reasons ... this is the result that fighters are abandoned.

[tralflot1832]

Even I doubt when "tit to tooth" does not hit, there is a great desire to fight. And no one has canceled trimming from the cold.

[spirit]

Everyone who has settled down and lives like this has it. And only propagandists for not particularly picky TV consumers can compare life. A couple of months ago I saw the same comparison only from Ukrainian propaganda. Nothing new

[Simple]

Give the men a headset, there will be an opportunity, let them "charge"

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
- Such an enemy ( not ) wish... wish, wish...
***

[Leshak]

There are different approaches on both sides. There is no point in comparing anything here. It all depends on the specific people on both sides.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

It seems to me that this materialchik propaganda. I think that both of them have enough positive and negative examples of everyday life. How to choose? There is already creativity.

[Got it]

Anything is possible, but the comparison seemed incorrect. In the first part of the video, the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the open air in the field seem to be flooded with water and covered with clay, there is no fortification with boards at least, and it looks like a deliberately short-term position. In the second half of the video, the Russian Armed Forces have structures in some kind of forest, obviously different soil, it was possible to make an entrance protected from precipitation above ground level, obviously not so flooded, possibly on a hill, a long-term position. So you can compare anything, for example, black with hot and slip the conclusions.

[Million]

.Enemies can show the same thing. Everywhere is different.
If you really have to collect money for equipment for fighters, then most likely they also have a lot of domestic problems

[Godzila]

Comparison of front-line life

Yes, what to compare, everything repeats ..
Again ..

And let's give it anyway

[abc_alex]

I am a member of a telegram group of a fairly well-known office, where employees help our soldiers at the front. The office is wealthy, there are many members in the group, if necessary, they collect half a million rubles in 3-4 days without much difficulty. So, requests from the front are different, and if hemostatic tourniquets and quadrocopters are understandable, this is a war consumable, then recently there have been requests for warm clothes. The first is for shoes. It turned out that uniform berets are it. Do not withstand even a couple of months of intensive wear in the field. Now they are asking for elements of uniforms, especially winter things. Recently requested generators for location equipment. And even tents for placement in the back of a car.

So, guys, military life to this day is not a pound of raisins for both sides. And ours there is also not a resort at all.

To have no doubt.

[insafufa]

So, guys, military life to this day is not a pound of raisins for both sides.

So far the armors mobilized were bought for themselves and tactical bells and whistles, for some reason they all forgot to take thermal underwear and thermal socks and rubber stockings for berets with them. Now we are frantically looking for warm clothes for them. I gathered my relative with screams when he gave him his thermal underwear, fleece and polyester stockings and a T-shirt, he looked at me like a jerk, and he also handed me thermal socks, fleece and thin thermal socks, too, thermal insoles that even after getting wet do not stop being warm. Non-wetted stockings for reusable berets, he shouted to me I need armor and unloading what kind of junk he brought me. Now he says thank you. In a damp trench, the most suitable accessory is stockings from OZK for boots and boots.

[kamakama]

In the forest zone, a dugout can be equipped in a day or two, if there is a forest, waterproofing (at least clay) and an ax with a saw. But what to do in the steppe?

[Glagol1]

Pure propaganda. Rather dirty. The network is full of videos where our soldiers swim in the trenches, exactly the same as the 404s. And how many cases, when the mobilized were left in an open field or settled in unheated high-rise buildings. No need to lie, the life of our soldiers is very difficult.

[bairat]

Water in trenches is a longstanding problem. From new; in winter, a copter with a thermal imager determines a heated dugout at a time, ammunition flies there for two. How to deal with it?

[nepunamemuk]

cover with bubble wrap

[wladimirjankov]

Capes do not transmit infrared radiation. By the way, they are made by us.

[Vinnibuh]

Here, apart from the word "female orientation dog," nothing suits the author. Are you, dear editors, completely stunned?

[Vinnibuh]

Yes, PPC got both Ukrainians and ours. Either they are supplied with trash, or tents of the wrong system. Cs, rolled into the trash, the only thing you can read is just the history and description of the weapon!

[Vinnibuh]

I meant the news, they write about the rubbish that we gouge in flight, then how bad everything is with them, etc., etc.

[lambert]

It turned out that uniform berets are it. Do not withstand even a couple of months of intensive wear in the field. Now they are asking for elements of uniforms, especially winter things. Recently requested generators for location equipment. And even tents for placement in the back of a car.


The comrade does not know that the terms of wearing in peacetime and wartime are different. So his whole speech is about nothing. And the commander of this soldier apparently has no other worries, except for taking care of his subordinates. Volunteers will provide

[Oleg Ogorod]

The command and rear service should create conditions for the fighters. This is an axiom.
There should also be a constant rotation, castling, some time at the forefront, then to a shallow rear, wash, shave and steam eggs. And then again in the mud or frost on the front line.
Sleeping bags, rugs, pea coats with wadded pants are generally non-negotiable. This should be issued by the command and rear services.
Soldiers should not look for materials for arranging a dugout, a dugout. All this should be ensured by the command and rear services.
Soldiers should fight, not look for a sleeping bag with firewood.
The feat of some gives rise to the crime of others. It's been said for a long time.
Until we understand this, there will be no victory.
The President spoke about this recently.
The current is the couch troops of storytellers did not read this.
By the way, the fighters should be fed well and centrally. And not fighters should look for where and what to devour. This is what a modern army should be like.

[evgen1221]

For good, the provision of comfort and amenities at the forefront should be dealt with by the rear service, and the soldiers only mount everything filed on the spot

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: evgen1221

For good, the provision of comfort and amenities at the forefront should be dealt with by the rear service, and the soldiers only mount everything filed on the spot

No matter how you mount it, but if your trenches are on the plain, and God forbid in some low place, then all rain and melt water will collect at the bottom of the trench ... Br ... As I remember, already brrr ... Dirt and ice slush ...
to the middle of the lower leg ... Such a dirty thing war ...

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Machete

When there is a positional war, you can settle down as well as you like.

Hence the conclusion - we need small, minimally equipped "capsules". They brought a car, unloaded it into a hole dug (again, better with equipment), threw logs on top and disguised it. Everything is fast, without any initiative and with all the necessary equipment. They changed their position, hooked the "room" - into the body, - and to a new place.

[evgen1221]

In WoW, the inventors sent a lot of different things to GSH, and a lot of things turned out to be useful. Now with production, it would be a good idea. Submit it, it might work.

[Herman 4223]

The same thought came to mind, but you need to have a roof that can be quickly disguised and loopholes. They brought this one to KAMAZ, lowered it and forgot about it.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There are also capsules, there are also concrete blocks. It is not used everywhere and is not enough for everyone. Only recently they showed how these blocks are prepared and transported to the sea coast.

[Petr7]

good idea but expensive.
By the way, even in the NVD, if not earlier, there were such firing points: "Shuman carriage", Armored carriage - tower artillery installation. Also known as 5,3 cm L / 24 Fahrpanzer Gruson and Schumann Armored Carriage (German: Schumann Panzerlafette / Fahrpanzer).

[oleg_627]

Well, nonsense. And ours are in the same conditions. The guys write if the officers are okay, but they told many to dig here and not listening to the voice of reason. he looked like that from the Kremlin.

[certero]

Quote: saigon

The infantry themselves dig trenches, those who want to live dig, those who do not want to live do not dig.

Just a startling conclusion. That is, there is no technology to dig yourself?
Red Forest to remind you that now is the 22st century, XNUMX, you told us about the most modern equipped army, including engineering and construction vehicles.

[kamakama]

Technique digs not where it is necessary, but where it can. And in a dense forest, on a slope of more than 30 degrees, on quicksand, on stones - she will not open anything

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The technique is different, in fact, as are the digging methods themselves. Up to the use of explosives can be reached, if necessary. The life of a military man is now so expensive that for fifty meters of trenches and half a truck of explosives it should not be a pity.

[kamakama]

Um, well, purely logically, let's think. Will the explosion make a trench of the desired shape (and most importantly, a steepness close to vertical)? Make cool clothes (by the way, from what, in the middle of the steppe)? The parapet of the desired shape? Create a trench from cell to cell? An excavator based on Belarus can do this, but for an insane time. Cars with a rotor are much more productive and they will dig a trench, but they can’t drive far everywhere and they can’t work with any kind of soil. So take a shovel in your hands and go ahead, at least half of the work after the technique must be done manually
http://saper.isnet.ru/texnica/mdk-2.html - вот такая техника есть, как и много подобных. Но в количестве 3 штуки на ИНЖЕНЕРНЫЙ батальон. Стало быть, до каждого пехотного отделения она уж точно не доедет
http://saper.isnet.ru/texnica-2/tmk.html - или такое. Но опять таки - доводка вручную необходима все равно

[Alexy]

It looks like this article is from Konashenkov's team. I don’t know about everyday life, but Canadian winter sets of clothes and modern equipment come to Khokhols. As we have with this - I will not repeat.

[Arkady007]

Give me the media, and I will make a herd of pigs out of any nation.
Joseph Goebbels - Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany.
It's never too late to learn.

[Metallurg_2]

Pigfaces are supposed to bathe in mud. They will save on washing water, because the microbes will fall off anyway.

[Uno]

Everything certainly looks beautiful. But you look at how people from both sides are fighting at zero, digging holes for themselves in order to stay alive. And stories about engineering equipment and commanders can be left

[Russian Patriot]

After the phrase

While Ukrainian fighters are taking “mud baths” in them, Russian soldiers are comfortably serving in well-equipped trenches and dugouts.

stopped reading.
The author who compares the trenches on video from the Internet, of course, well done.
It’s scary to imagine what kind of article he will write when he gets to tiktok.

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: Petr7

, there were such firing points: "Shuman carriage",

This is a firing point, but here, rather, a domestic one. The arrangement of living conditions, and knee-deep in mud, takes a lot of effort and resources from the direct performance of tasks.

[Whore18]

When I was little, I asked my grandfather why he had scars all over his forehead? He said: "When Junkers dives at you, you dig your forehead into the ground."

[Archivist Vasya]

The author of this article shows a complete lack of objectivity and stupid jingoistic patriotism, as well as his utter incompetence and mediocrity. disgrace
Why - colleagues wrote above, the first comment from Machete or from Zug.

[Vlvl]

While working as a refmechanic on trains. We regularly washed the floors with soap, the car windows, walls and ceilings. We have always been clean and comfortable. Flowers on the windows. They walked in socks or slippers. The Ukrainians inside the car have the light constantly on because of dirty windows, the floors are covered with cardboard from the boxes, so as not to wash. They take off their shoes where they sleep, smelling the stench. Well, everything is smoked inside. Maybe they have a tradition.

[tolmachiev51]

In vain, the author you took up this topic - you can "crack" the keyboard on the site, but if you want to be known as smart, it's better to remain silent !!!

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

How to equip it would have long been thought up and spelled out in the requirements up to the drains in the trenches, and the task of a competent officer is to force the soldiers to equip it. And there someone to teach, and someone in the face.

[meandr51]

I wonder how long, under the conditions of thermal imaging control of the enemy, can one live in a dugout with a stove and use a bathhouse with a generator?

[Thrush]

There is another problem in that some of the soldiers have no idea how a trench should look like and how to dig it. Imagine, a man arrived who had never worked with the earth once in his life, they gave him a shovel, he scooped up clay, once ... but it does not fall off the shovel, and there are already calluses on wet hands. Seems funny, right? But in fact, there are quite a few of them.
As a result, we have: rain + cold + mud + no way to mechanize labor + untrained fighters + problems with materials + temporary position, etc. etc. = no normal fortifications. Accordingly, the fewer negative components, the better the strengthening will be.

[Simon]

Quote: Michael

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: Michael

African natives keep their bodies clean in much the same way.

And everyone believes that the ancient Sumerians invented it, and then the pigs and the natives learned ... Or vice versa?

The Chukchi make it even easier, because it is very cold for them to undress and smear themselves with clay. They wear underwear with fur inside and change it periodically. And the used, where sweat and dead epidermis accumulated in the wool, are frozen until completely dry and beaten out like a carpet from dust. And you can wear it again.

And near Moscow in 1941, the Siberian troops were also in sheepskin coats, with fur inside, and immediately threw back the fascist hordes from Moscow.

[wladimirjankov]

for some reason, there is confidence that most of our soldiers on the front line are in the same conditions. If there were normal logistics support, the will and care of the commanders, then it would not be difficult to install ladders, blind areas from a pair of boards and reinforce the walls and parapet in the trenches with a plastic mesh. And to dig a reliable dugout with water drainage from the entrance is a sacred thing. but the generals themselves do not sit in the trenches, and this does not seem to bother their subordinates either.

[AB]

It reminded me of a video by Mad Oduvan aka Varlamov, where he compared a photo of some utility shed of the 20s-30s, stating that this is how everyone lived in the USSR and modern luxury housing in Europe. Like, look at how people were treated in karfafam saffka.
The logic is the same, take one video, one trench and say that this is the case everywhere.