Relatives demand to exchange Ukrainian prisoners for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa

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Relatives demand to exchange Ukrainian prisoners for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa

The families of the captive Azov militants (an extremist organization banned in Russia) and the Armed Forces of Ukraine want their relatives to return home. Therefore, they went to the action in the Shevchenko park in Odessa.

This is reported by the Politika Strana Telegram channel (Ukraine), referring to the words of the wife of one of the Azov residents.

Relatives of the Ukrainian prisoners demand that the Kyiv authorities exchange them for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa. They want the route for the supply of chemical raw materials to be unblocked, and for this an exchange of prisoners would be carried out according to the "all for all" formula. It is this formula that the participants of the action chant.

Earlier this week, Reuters, citing informed sources, stated that negotiations on this took place on November 17 between representatives of Kyiv and Moscow in a closed format in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The resumption of the transit of ammonia, according to journalists, was one of the conditions for the exchange of prisoners of war.

This information was confirmed by the Ukrainian ambassador to Ankara, Vasily Bodnar.

The release of our prisoners of war is part of the negotiations to open the export of Russian ammonia

- he told reporters of the agency.


Prior to the start of the special operation in Ukraine, this raw material for the production of fertilizers was delivered via a pipeline from Tolyatti to the Yuzhny port near Odessa. When the NWO began, the transit was stopped.
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  1. +40
    26 November 2022 17: 14
    Transit should go through Taman! Everything else is crap.
    1. +13
      26 November 2022 17: 17
      Relatives of Ukrainian prisoners demand to exchange them for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa
      what ??? that is .. chivo ???
      1. +4
        26 November 2022 17: 25
        Do relatives know where the pipe comes from, or at least where it lies?
        1. +3
          26 November 2022 17: 35
          Quote: seregatara1969
          Do relatives know where the pipe comes from, or at least where it lies?

          What's the difference?
          Load the prisoners they want into the ammonia pipeline (I hope the diameter will allow) and send Nenka to Ridna.
          1. +20
            26 November 2022 18: 45
            The monstrous betrayal of Russia and the fulfillment of Bandera's dreams. The bannero-fascist regime wants to receive almost nothing raw materials for the Odessa port plant for the production of fertilizers, which it will sell with dumping in relation to Russia. On occasion, Ukraine will blow up the existing ammonia pipeline, which will cause a catastrophe with a mass defeat of people, and will blame Russia for this. For this, the Bandera-fascists also demand that they be given a whole division of notorious executioners and punishers. Lobbyists for this deal from the Russian side: the minority owner of Uralchem ​​with the characteristic surname Mazepin and the majority German Gref. It is known that Sberbank has long supported fascism in Ukraine and the genocide of Russian people there.

            It is possible that the goal of GREF is to transfer to Ukraine exactly the division of iconic executioners, rapists and murderers, and talk about the ammonia pipeline is just a screen for justification.
            1. +2
              26 November 2022 18: 53
              Well, and Gref there, in the same way.
              More Herman, less Herman, Russia will not cry and will not become poorer.
            2. +2
              27 November 2022 01: 11
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Lobbyists for this deal from the Russian side: the minority owner of Uralchem ​​with the characteristic surname Mazepin and the majority German Gref

              The other day, VVP was very sad that the "Western partners" and the Kyiv fascists again deceived him - "thrown", threw him with an ammonia pipeline, the entire route of which was so carefully abandoned by Russian troops during regroupings. The Nazis, having accepted the pass, declare new conditions. request Two hand game?
              And yes - Gref is a significant figure in this game. And immune to justice.
        2. +2
          26 November 2022 18: 12
          They, I think, know very well that it goes through Izyum and Kupyansk.)))
      2. +19
        26 November 2022 17: 27
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Relatives of Ukrainian prisoners demand to exchange them for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa
        what ??? that is .. chivo ???

        And why be surprised, such an outcome is completely possible, too many of us at the top are ready for anything and everything to return everything back, otherwise villas and yachts miss their owners. How I would like to see purges in power and a change of course.
        1. +4
          26 November 2022 17: 43
          Pitchforks and yachts are irreversible. Well, take off the vegetables!
          And cleaning - yes, it would be nice. Yes, there are no worthy cleaners yet.
          Is that a young rising Komsa. hi
        2. 0
          26 November 2022 18: 28
          Do you, dear, think that such a thing will ever be possible?
          I doubt it.
      3. +1
        26 November 2022 17: 31
        What do you want? Odessa Rabinovichi are indestructible
    2. +2
      26 November 2022 17: 25
      It is safer to withdraw through the north. The exit from the World Cup is controlled by the Turks, then you will also leave the Mediterranean horseradish in case of closure for the Russian Federation.
    3. +2
      26 November 2022 17: 41
      There is a printout of a conversation with Mazepin on the website of the President of Russia. There is not a word about the prisoners. But there is a desire of the Americans to buy ammonia on the border of Russia and Ukraine. And the Americans are already responsible for pumping through Ukraine if they buy. They will turn it inside out for their money. Enough listen to shushara about transactions. Finally, by the end of 2023, there will be an ammonia terminal in Taman.
      1. +2
        26 November 2022 18: 22
        First, are you sure you didn't talk about prisoners? Secondly, why is this pumping through the country with which we are at war so important to us? Thirdly, one can treat Shariy differently (I personally think that, on the contrary, our splendid policy angers him, because as long as there is such a regime there, he will not go there. Although I do not exclude the option that the SBU is holding him by the balls), but he was the first to notice that the surrendered Izyum and Kupyansk are just the cities through which the pipeline goes. So let's see what will happen, and he has already predicted the development of events correctly several times.
        But most importantly, we really need this pumping?))) Maybe we really need the pumping of our titan to the west?
        1. -5
          26 November 2022 18: 32
          If the Americans buy ammonia from us at the border, and then it’s not our problem. Why not. The Nazis will rush, so the Americans will rush like that. This is their property, although concentrated urine. to win, you need not only an army, but a well-armed army. And this is money. So that's fine.
          1. +1
            26 November 2022 20: 26
            For this!
            1) To hand over the territory through which the pipeline passes?
            2) Surrender Kherson?
            3) Exchange prisoners of all for all (ukrov 8 thousand on our much less)?
            4) Pay Ghouls for transit?
            Or do you think that everything is so simple, agreed and that's it? What is the benefit to Ukraine from this?
            These are not the first behind-the-scenes negotiations with the Ukrainians, and it is not known what they agree on there. In general, I don’t like the very idea of ​​​​these negotiations behind the backs of our soldiers, because I can smell this modesty in destroying the infrastructure there. In general, negotiations can only go on the exchange of prisoners and on surrender. And as a result of this mouse fuss, what do we have? Lavrov said that all the goals of the NWO will be achieved. I'm wondering, what are those goals? Demilitarization and denazification is something vague. What do we want to do specifically with Ukraine, will there be a regime change, on what borders? Yesoli even leave one area there, it's still a future war. And all this bleating with indefinite goals suggests that our soldiers can not surrender at any moment, which in fact has happened more than once!
            1. -2
              26 November 2022 21: 22
              The ammonia pipeline starts in Kherson? There is nothing more to say.
              1. -2
                26 November 2022 21: 30
                Did I understand correctly that you are merging?))) I didn’t say anywhere that he goes through Kherson, but he could well enter into a deal, otherwise it’s hard to explain his surrender. Did you modestly keep silent about Izyum and Kupyansk?))))
                1. +1
                  26 November 2022 21: 36
                  Where the facts of the transaction are only from the SBU, those masters are crazy about dealing with transactions. Enjoy the rumors.
                  1. 0
                    26 November 2022 22: 37
                    If there are no facts of the transaction, then explain to me these things:
                    1) exchange of Natsiks sentenced to death?
                    2) delivery of the Kharkiv region, territories where the ammonia pipeline goes?
                    4) the surrender of Volchansk, where did our people themselves leave, without any pressure, which opened the borders of the Russian Federation and allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine to shell our territories with impunity?
                    5) the departure of their Kherson, where our 30 thousand were opposed by 19 thousand APU?
                    6) continuation of the grain deal, despite the fact that it has already been said 100 times that the other side simply does not fulfill its agreements?
                    7) why are there still no attacks on the railway infrastructure, which immediately increases the casualties among our soldiers at times?
                    I’m not even talking about the withdrawal from Kyiv, the surrender of the Sumy and Chernihiv regions, about the fact that immediately after the start of the war, work on the destruction of the local air defense stopped, why Zeleny is allowed to ride freely to Izyum, then to Kherson. And the question may be from another topic, but why is no one punished for stealing in the Moscow Region?
                    1. 0
                      26 November 2022 23: 01
                      Comment on the manual from the SBU? Where everything is stretched, like an owl on a globe, for one purpose they betrayed us, there are agreements all around! Stupid and futile. The enemy will be defeated and Ukraine is not the main thing for us. The President of Russia voiced our demands in November and December. bully
                      1. 0
                        27 November 2022 10: 33
                        Do you know why we have everything through the ass? Because people with big stars are sitting at the headquarters, who have earned them just like you, with balabolism! Hooray. Hurrah. victory will be ours, the enemy will be immediately defeated, with minimal losses, on foreign territory! And so all the time rubbed glasses and management and us mere mortals. And in the end, as the CPSO tells us))), there is no connection from the word at all, from the fact that there was people spit. There were no drones, although this has been written about more than once here on the VO since the year 2010. There are critically few precision-guided munitions. Dressing mobilized in the amount of 300 thousand MO was not able to. In Ukraine, the Krapiva management system was practically created by volunteers, our chatterboxes like you missed it. Intelligence did not work from the word at all!
                        I understand that you cannot answer my questions, which is why these mantras about Ukrainian training manuals began. And I’m telling you that the people who sit there have earned most of them, just like you, with empty p ... m, when every news immediately has scammers printing empty moronic posts, right now we beat everyone in one fell swoop, for likes and promotions in rank. But I’m typing the truth, so at least it’s been here for 10 years, and everyone is in the foremen. )))) So here it is in our state, whoever screams more and licks his ass to the authorities, he is on horseback! So keep going, you are good at it, that's what it means to be in trend!))))
      2. +1
        26 November 2022 19: 51
        But if the States have a desire to get something about us, this should already be alarming. At least they want to make money on it, fertilizers are in short supply. And, it is possible for Khokhls to fit raw materials for explosives. Is this what we need?
    4. +4
      26 November 2022 18: 30
      Quote: dmi.pris
      Transit should go through Taman! Everything else is crap.

      This is impossible, the USSR built the ammonia pipeline Togliatti - Odessa port. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, one of the Rotenberg brothers owns the ammonia pipeline.
      PS And they make gunpowder from ammonia.
      1. +2
        26 November 2022 18: 50
        Yes, Rotenberg is the owner, which is why he was exposed to wheels in Russia for so long with an ammonia pipeline to Taman, a very interesting question.
        1. -2
          26 November 2022 20: 21
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Yes, Rotenberg is the owner, which is why he was exposed to wheels in Russia for so long with an ammonia pipeline to Taman, a very interesting question.

          Did he himself want to go to Taman? It's very expensive, why should he invest?
          1. 0
            26 November 2022 21: 24
            I am aware that courts after courts, and courts were driven until recently with this ammonia pipeline.
    5. AAK
      +7
      26 November 2022 18: 43
      Taman is just geography, and Rotenberg is a sidekick! And a sidekick will do anything for a sidekick!
  2. +5
    26 November 2022 17: 14
    All future prisoners must be turned into nitrogen and immediately turned so that no one demands anything ... hi
    1. +2
      26 November 2022 18: 25
      I also think it would be great after rescuing all of ours (if possible), not to take Nazis anymore
      1. +1
        26 November 2022 18: 34
        Quote: Napayz
        I also think it would be great after rescuing all of ours (if possible), not to take Nazis anymore

        And how will you determine who is a Nazi and who is not? Or are you going to act according to the precepts of the medieval Catholic Church, "God in heaven will figure out who is a Catholic and who is a heretic"?
        1. +2
          26 November 2022 19: 35
          No need to sculpt your "religious awareness" here.
          Whoever is on the other side with weapons is a Nazi.
          1. -2
            26 November 2022 20: 48
            Quote: Napayz
            Whoever is on the other side with weapons is a Nazi.

            And on the other side, a mobilized man, whose family is held hostage, Why shoot him, not take him prisoner? Even if he is one of the department, "they cut down the forest - the chips fly"?
            1. +1
              26 November 2022 21: 06
              This does not prevent him from shooting at our fighters.
              Or how to distinguish the bullets of a mobilized from the bullets of a Nazi?
              1. +2
                27 November 2022 06: 52
                Quote: Napayz
                This does not prevent him from shooting at our fighters.
                Or how to distinguish the bullets of a mobilized from the bullets of a Nazi?

                That is, do not take prisoner. Then tell me, how do you differ from those animals that "did not capture" our servicemen? Or "it's different"? Once again I am convinced that the Nazis in any country are the same.
                1. 0
                  27 November 2022 10: 31
                  You never answered, being in a "humanistic frenzy."
                  1. 0
                    27 November 2022 10: 50
                    Quote: Napayz
                    You never answered, being in a "humanistic frenzy."

                    What didn't I answer? A rhetorical question about bullets? Did you answer?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    That is, do not take prisoner. Then tell me, how do you differ from those animals that "did not capture" our servicemen? Or "it's different"? Once again I am convinced that the Nazis in any country are the same.
                    1. -1
                      27 November 2022 12: 13
                      I asked a question before, did you notice?
                      1. -1
                        27 November 2022 12: 43
                        Quote: Napayz
                        I asked a question before, did you notice?

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        What didn't I answer? A rhetorical question about bullets?

                        Should I answer rhetorical questions? Is it really not clear that you cannot distinguish those bullets? And what, in your opinion, because of this, it is necessary to do the same as those s_k_o_t_s? Take no prisoners? Then
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        tell me, how do you differ from those animals that "did not capture" our military personnel? Or "it's different"? Once again I am convinced that the Nazis in any country are the same.
                      2. 0
                        27 November 2022 12: 59

                        Should I answer rhetorical questions?
                        My question is not rhetorical, as you think. And you have to answer it. I'm trying to figure out the "mobilized hostages" situation.
                        Your "humanism" is a direct continuation of Kolya's speech from Urengoy about a peaceful and harmless fascist who did not want to fight, and was brought near Stalingrad by the cruel state machine of the Reich.
                        And again
                        ... you can't distinguish those bullets ...
                        then hold back tearful speeches for muslin young ladies - there is no difference WHO shoots at you. He is the ENEMY and must be destroyed.

                        And then it gets lost (to paraphrase the classic) "... You don't see that Seryoga is all shootshe thinks, he understands everything... Killed three, so it's from excitement ... "
                      3. -1
                        27 November 2022 13: 46
                        You didn't answer a simple and clear question
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        That is, do not take prisoner. Then tell me, how do you differ from those animals that "did not capture" our servicemen? Or "it's different"? Once again I am convinced that the Nazis in any country are the same.
                      4. 0
                        27 November 2022 14: 02
                        I see you don't understand what you read...
                        Dictate in capital letters
                        It doesn't matter who shoots at you. He is the ENEMY and must be destroyed.


                        Once again I am convinced that the Nazis in any country are the same.
                        (aleksejkabanets)

                        "If anyone ruins Russia, it will not be communists, not anarchists, but damned liberals."

                        "One of the most characteristic features of Russian liberalism is its terrible contempt for the people."

                        "Our Russian liberal is, first of all, a lackey, and is only looking to clean someone's boots from the West."
                        (c) F.M. Dostoevsky

                        From those animals it is quite clear WHAT to expect, unlike pseudo-humanists like you.
                      5. 0
                        27 November 2022 14: 41
                        Quote: Napayz
                        I see you don't understand what you read...
                        I'm dictating in capital letters...
                        No need to be cowardly! You wrote not to take prisoners, I asked
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        That is, do not take prisoner. Then tell me, how do you differ from those animals that "did not capture" our servicemen? Or "it's different"? Once again I am convinced that the Nazis in any country are the same.

                        Where's the answer? How are you different from them?
                      6. 0
                        27 November 2022 15: 04
                        Mdyayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyayyyyyyyyyyy
                        Okay, in order.
                        1. "Mobilized hostages" and the Nazis (in the course of hostilities) are no different. Their bullets are equally lethal. Therefore, moaning about "I had no other choice" leave to yourself.
                        2. They want to surrender (before a military clash) - a white flag, arms uphill, a weapon on the left shoulder with the barrel down, etc. - let them give up.
                        3. In battle - no mercy on our part.
                        "Am I making it clear?" (With)
                      7. -1
                        27 November 2022 15: 40
                        Quote: Napayz
                        2. They want to surrender (before a military clash) - a white flag, arms uphill, a weapon on the left shoulder with the barrel down, etc. - let them give up.

                        wassat But what about this?
                        Quote: Napayz
                        I also think it would be great after rescuing all of ours (if possible), not to take Nazis anymore
                      8. 0
                        27 November 2022 16: 42
                        Once again I am convinced that you do not understand what you have read and subsequent explanations do not add clarity to the brain.
                        I have nothing to add to what has been said before.
                        Buy a fatter herring, take it in your left hand and, looking into her glazed eyes, fool your head.
  3. +11
    26 November 2022 17: 16
    I believe I believe, all because of relatives and humanism. And what about ammonia right away and not ready-made fertilizer, and there is a lot of manure on the kraynyak. Asking for chemical weapons from the aggressor while crying about humanity is a new bottom.
    1. +3
      26 November 2022 17: 26
      so let them crawl home from Russia through the pipe!
      1. +3
        26 November 2022 17: 32
        so let them crawl home from Russia through the pipe!
        Why crawl? Associated nitrogen to them in the back of the hull!
    2. +15
      26 November 2022 17: 36
      Quote: evgen1221
      I believe I believe, all because of relatives and humanism. And what about ammonia right away and not ready-made fertilizer, and there is a lot of manure on the kraynyak. Asking for chemical weapons from the aggressor while crying about humanity is a new bottom.

      So Mazepin was tearfully asked by Putin during the week to launch the pipe with a request to put pressure on the UN, big money is involved, in the grain deal this issue was noted in the third paragraph, in a word, traders, and the rest is a performance for us.
      1. +1
        26 November 2022 17: 45
        Quote: Rikochet
        So Mazepin was at Putin’s for a week tearfully asked to launch a pipe with a request to put pressure on the UN

        Dmitry Mazepin:
        “The main problem, probably, was that a fairly large amount of fertilizer was frozen in the ports of Europe. Uralchem ​​had 262 tons frozen in the ports of Estonia, Latvia, Belgium, Holland, Akron - 52 tons, and Eurochem - almost 100 tons. This situation is really difficult. All companies are facing this problem. We tried to solve these problems in different ways so that fertilizers, which in principle were sent to developing markets, including Africa, could be taken. Therefore, I would like to raise a question and get your approval so that we start the whole initiative from the very beginning, so that we turn to the UN and the African Union to unlock all 260 tons for us. Under the auspices of the UN, in agreement with the President of the African Union, they will represent countries that are experiencing difficulties with the supply of fertilizers, and we are ready to make these deals.”

        Vladimir Putin: "Free delivery?".

        - Is free.

        - You know, for sure, that we are in contact with the UN Secretary General, Mr. Guterres, with the relevant structures. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is doing it. Therefore, the appropriate command will be given to all our colleagues so that they provide you with the necessary assistance.
        1. +2
          26 November 2022 17: 52
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Rikochet
          So Mazepin was at Putin’s for a week tearfully asked to launch a pipe with a request to put pressure on the UN

          Dmitry Mazepin:
          “The main problem, probably, was that a fairly large amount of fertilizer was frozen in the ports of Europe. Uralchem ​​had 262 tons frozen in the ports of Estonia, Latvia, Belgium, Holland, Akron - 52 tons, and Eurochem - almost 100 tons. This situation is really difficult. All companies are facing this problem. We tried to solve these problems in different ways so that fertilizers, which in principle were sent to developing markets, including Africa, could be taken. Therefore, I would like to raise a question and get your approval so that we start the whole initiative from the very beginning, so that we turn to the UN and the African Union to unlock all 260 tons for us. Under the auspices of the UN, in agreement with the President of the African Union, they will represent countries that are experiencing difficulties with the supply of fertilizers, and we are ready to make these deals.”

          Vladimir Putin: "Free delivery?".

          - Is free.

          - You know, for sure, that we are in contact with the UN Secretary General, Mr. Guterres, with the relevant structures. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is doing it. Therefore, the appropriate command will be given to all our colleagues so that they provide you with the necessary assistance.

          Yup, wait for free! Trading and lining pockets - everything! War is nothing!
          1. +2
            26 November 2022 18: 23
            Yes, for free, that is, for nothing. Mazepin is even ready to pay for the freight of bulk carriers for the UN from his own pocket, that is, from the turnover. An attraction of unheard-of generosity. And you are yachts, pitchforks, the formula is one. laughing
            1. +2
              26 November 2022 18: 41
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Yes, for free, that is, for nothing.

              Not-not free shipping !=(not equal) free! It's like the season, "buy our air conditioner, with free delivery and installation," but exorbitantly.))))
              1. +1
                26 November 2022 18: 52
                Delivery at the expense of Mazepin. He pays.
        2. +4
          26 November 2022 18: 35
          And most importantly, "deliver for free."
          And why is it free, I really want to know?
          1. +1
            26 November 2022 18: 41
            Quote: Johann Klassen
            And most importantly, "deliver for free."
            And why is it free, I really want to know?

            There is a shortage of goods, demand is great, prices are fabulous "a millionaire should not be a miser", donate something "freight", you will get more.
          2. +1
            26 November 2022 18: 53
            Yes, because Mazepin paid all taxes and duties to the state for these fertilizers, moving them abroad. This is his personal product and his personal desire.
          3. +1
            26 November 2022 20: 24
            Quote: Johann Klassen
            And why is it free, I really want to know?

            And because the price tag is good. The margin is good, what else can be assumed?
      2. +4
        26 November 2022 18: 28
        I fully support! He was an idiot, he supported our kagan until the Azov people were exchanged on the sly. Here the question is immediately or does he not manage anything or is it with his consent? Then it turns out it's true about money and performance. For a long time I was tormented by the question of why the patriot Putin has almost all the environment of the liberals. It was under him that the Defense Ministry was headed by Serdyukov, and now Shoigu.
        1. -1
          26 November 2022 20: 31
          Quote: azkolt
          Then it turns out it's true about money and performance. For a long time I was tormented by the question of why the patriot Putin has almost all the environment of the liberals.

          Because "the king is good, but the boyars are bad".))))
  4. +12
    26 November 2022 17: 18
    This rally is very similar to staging...
    1. +7
      26 November 2022 17: 30
      This is the ordinance. For some, gas and oil are not enough, ammonia must also be driven. But Zelensky set the condition for someone to release all his prisoners.
      1. +2
        26 November 2022 18: 42
        Quote: Vladimir M
        For some, gas and oil are not enough, ammonia must also be driven.

        To one of the Rotenberg brothers, one of them is an ammonia pipeline.
  5. +4
    26 November 2022 17: 19
    Yes, the easiest way is to transit something through a war zone.
  6. +22
    26 November 2022 17: 19
    The Russian oligarchs need the transit of ammonia, for this they are ready to give up all the captured Nazis, but they don’t give a damn about our prisoners of war, well, a disgrace am
    1. +12
      26 November 2022 17: 49
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      The Russian oligarchs need the transit of ammonia, for this they are ready to give up all the captured Nazis, but they don’t give a damn about our prisoners of war, well, a disgrace

      This is what capitalism is.
      Not by books.
      We watch, we learn, we understand, we draw conclusions. hi
  7. +9
    26 November 2022 17: 24
    Sell ​​yourself for the transit of ammonia?
    However, there is nothing to be surprised.
    1. +8
      26 November 2022 17: 44
      Ammonia is driven through the pipe by TolyattiAzot, the owner is Mazepin (he is also Uralchem), the one who spoke with VVP a few days ago. Now it's clear what. There are rumors that Rothenberg's ears stick out behind him ... It is not clear how true this is.
      1. 0
        26 November 2022 19: 10
        Quote from Chem1st
        Ammonia is driven through the pipe by TolyattiAzot, the owner is Mazepin (he is also Uralchem), the one who spoke with VVP a few days ago. Now it's clear what. There are rumors that Rothenberg's ears stick out behind him ... It is not clear how true this is.

        I think we'll soon see how much.
  8. +3
    26 November 2022 17: 25
    Just an epigraph to the modern politics of Ukraine ... "Azov-Odessites."
  9. +4
    26 November 2022 17: 35

    Relatives of the Ukrainian prisoners demand that the Kyiv authorities exchange them for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa. They want the route for the supply of chemical raw materials to be unblocked, and for this an exchange of prisoners would be carried out according to the "all for all" formula. It is this formula that the participants of the action chant.

    * People mixed up in a bunch, horses ... * (C) Unblocking the transit of ammonia is one story, the exchange of prisoners of all, for all is another. Previously, our worries were about not allowing the exchange of Azovites, now, after watching the video sequence about the execution of our guys in captivity by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the very concept is blurred - Azovets or APUshnik. They all fit into one concept - a war criminal.
  10. +8
    26 November 2022 17: 37
    Putin mentioned that all this should have been done back in 14. I am glad that not even 10 years have passed - he admitted the obvious. It would not hurt to also name those who stood behind the drain of the "Russian Spring" - agreements, our everything. If not for the agreements in 14-15 years, how many lives could be saved.
  11. +1
    26 November 2022 17: 40
    The families of the captive Azov militants (an extremist organization banned in Russia) and the Armed Forces of Ukraine want their relatives to return home.

    Animals should sit in a cage, not raise animals.
  12. +6
    26 November 2022 17: 46
    If you really want to sell ammonia, why couldn't you turn the pipe to Russian ports? In my opinion, enough time has passed since the age of 14 to "take off the handbrake."
    Yes, change everyone for everyone. And let the exchange be 10 to 1. The main thing is the grandmother.
  13. +5
    26 November 2022 17: 46
    It remains only to understand what is the connection between the "all for all" exchange and the transit of ammonia to Odessa.
    I do not catch up with who owes whom and how much.
    Azovtsev for our ammonia, and VSUshnikov for our grain? This is great.
  14. +5
    26 November 2022 17: 48
    This is a raw material for the production of fertilizers ... But this is not a raw material for the production of ammunition?
  15. +6
    26 November 2022 18: 01
    Whatever Putin agrees with anyone, he, as always, will be fooled. Or, as he used to say, we were deceived again.
  16. 0
    26 November 2022 18: 29
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Transit should go through Taman! Everything else is crap.

    And then where? Ammonia itself is exported to xoxlams, who in Odessa process it into fertilizers and sell them to the world market. Ammonia itself cannot be sold to the world market, it must be processed into fertilizers.
  17. +1
    26 November 2022 18: 30
    Quote from Marson35
    This is a raw material for the production of fertilizers ... But this is not a raw material for the production of ammunition?

    And for the production of ammunition as well.
  18. 0
    26 November 2022 18: 41
    Relatives want their husbands to get back to the front faster?
  19. +2
    26 November 2022 18: 43
    No transit of ammonia! No return of Azov people home! angry
  20. 0
    26 November 2022 20: 17
    "Relatives of prisoners" idiots? They will immediately be sent to the front and killed there.
    Or they are not relatives.
    By the way, why is the action held against the backdrop of a monument to the Russian poet T.G. Shevchenko?
    By the way, why wasn't the monument decommunized?
  21. 0
    26 November 2022 21: 42
    to exchange Ukrainian prisoners for the transit of ammonia

    good idea for greenery... :)
    he, well-fed, rested, trained cannon fodder will not hurt ...
    and there is no doubt that the Kremlin will give up ukrov ...
    the tin of dear will, the Kremlin has already worked out ...
    they say that the ammonia lord opens the door to the guarantor with his foot - like a sidekick ... :)
    But he doesn't leave his...
  22. 0
    27 November 2022 01: 13
    What the hell can be transit through the territory of the enemy, or at least an unfriendly country? So that they hold us by the genitals and dictate terms? The ammonia pipeline to Taman must be completed at any cost, especially considering that the West is blocking the export of our fertilizers. The transit of oil through the Druzhba pipeline through Ukraine and Poland will most likely die on its own with the establishment of their price ceiling for our oil, the main thing here is to turn things around so that the opposite side is to blame for the failure to fulfill contracts. In the case of the Finnish gas company, this happened. Recently, the facts of the theft of gas in transit through Ukraine (Moldovan, although Moldovans often have nothing to pay) surfaced again, the deadline was given by Gazprom until November 28.11, and then, in principle, the theft of gas can also serve as a basis for terminating the transit contract. .Ammonia and other fertilizers are produced by a private company, if there is no transit for a year before the terminal in Taman is put into operation, then the state will not receive some amount of taxes (far from gigantic) from the manufacturer, against the backdrop of frozen 300 billion assets, this is a mere trifle. If the manufacturer does not want to go broke, let him invest in the construction of an ammonia pipeline, ports, tankers and dry cargo ships in the Russian Federation, and not drag fertilizers around the ports of Europe, so that later he can go to the president and whine. Russian manufacturers were warned 10 years ago that the situation in the world could turn out unfavorably for the Russian Federation, they said: "Keep and invest money in Russia, otherwise you will be tormented by dust swallowed by foreign courts ..." And to change the profit of some businessman for some freaks from "Azov", on whom there is nowhere to put a stigma - do not respect yourself. We have over 8 prisoners. ukrov, they have an order of magnitude less of ours (according to Pushilin, before the last exchanges, the DPR and LPR had 200-250 people in captivity, about the same number of prisoners from the AFRF, the National Guard and other structures). Therefore, now the exchanges are going 1:1, and therefore Zelya is squealing "all for all." They already put anyone in exchange except for prisoners: both the crews of civilian ships (which the greedy private Russian shipowners, for the sake of cheap savings, drove to Ukraine for repairs), and Rosatom specialists (who delivered nuclear fuel to the nuclear power plant coming out) and fuck the unnecessary Russian "quasi-oppositionist" Medvedchuk, etc. Some joke that Benya Kolomoisky will be offered next for the exchange. But this is a joke, but seriously: the SBU picked up more than 1 thousand people in the Kherson and Kharkov regions. the so-called collaborators (those who managed to get Russian passports, members of election commissions, teachers who went to work to teach children from Russian textbooks, distributors of humanitarian aid, etc.) and most likely they were enough to replenish the "exchange fund". It is possible that the dill will also try to change these people with us, and if so, they will most likely have to be pulled out, since the Russian Federation has not been able to protect or evacuate them.
  23. +1
    27 November 2022 09: 09
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Relatives of Ukrainian prisoners demand to exchange them for the transit of ammonia from the Russian Federation through Odessa

    You can ask a counter question-- Does Russia need transit through Odessa? Not! Maybe some private individuals who earn money, they need it.
    And prisoners should be exchanged for prisoners. Moreover, on an equal number. If Russia rescues godfathers from captivity, and let ammonia in exchange for captured Ukrainians, this is an anti-state policy. hi
  24. 0
    27 November 2022 12: 59
    I never get tired of repeating about the "strangeness" of the war between two capitalist states (Russia - Ukraine) ... War is war, and business is above all ... Maybe this is the whole point of the current "conduct" of hostilities in Ukraine ... We are changing the inveterate thugs (for whom the noose "weeps") on the godfather of the Supreme, we "observe" the safety of railway - roads, highways, certain industrial facilities, centers of television and radio communications, urban infrastructure, border areas - the enemy. I won’t be surprised if, all of a sudden, the plan of exchanging Azov gangsters for ammonia is “realized” or the so-called NWO (where we are now standing) ends to lift Western sanctions ... It looks like we need to wean ourselves from socialist views on what is happening and get used to the "grimaces" of capitalist relationships and paradigms in the current capitalist existence ..... Everything that is currently happening in Ukraine is quite difficult to bring under the definition of a liberation war in its Leninist-Stalinist interpretation .... It remains to wait and hope for the admonition of God and that the Mother of God will not turn her face away from Russia and its people ......
  25. 0
    27 November 2022 13: 35
    Quote from nordscout
    War is war, and business is above all ... Maybe this is the whole point of the current "conduct" of hostilities in Ukraine ...

    Here you go. And they say we have no ideology. Some suffer from it. There is ammonia - there is an ideology!
  26. +1
    27 November 2022 14: 42
    Ammonia production is considered the most advanced in terms of chemical technology. Ammonia is used in the production of nitric acid, which is used in the production of fertilizers, medicines, dyes, plastics, artificial fibers, and explosives. It may be better to increase the production of these products ourselves and saturate the domestic market so as not to buy from "partners" for foreign currency. And we will support our economy and these
    send away.
    1. -1
      27 November 2022 15: 12
      Quote: IlgizL
      Ammonia production is considered the most advanced in terms of chemical technology.

      Gas is used for the production of ammonia, and now in Russia, due to the fall in exports, there are excess volumes, or reduce gas production or sell ammonia.
    2. 0
      1 December 2022 19: 41
      Exactly. It is much better to sell finished products than raw materials. It is more profitable, and production will work. Moreover, sending in transit through enemy territory is somehow not good. That is, if I understand correctly, Kyiv will also have to pay for transit, and he will spend this money on the needs of the army.
  27. 0
    28 November 2022 00: 05
    Is it really only fertilizers that are made from ammonia? Don't they make explosives?