Without unnecessary alarmism: a possible raid of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Belgorod

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Without unnecessary alarmism: a possible raid of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Belgorod


Thin red lines


The exit of Ukrainian forces to the borders of Russia can be considered one of the most tragic episodes of the special operation. The nationalists believed in their own strength and made sure that they were able to "beat the Russians." And the civilian population of Russia in the border areas suddenly found itself on the front line in the truest sense of the word.



Chronicle of the last days.

The enemy artillery shelled the village of Ustinka, fortunately, there were no casualties. Earlier, a passenger car was blown up by ammunition - two people were killed. The hospital "Veterans of Wars" came under fire - an old woman died of wounds. This can go on indefinitely. No one will be able to forbid nationalists to walk around the very border with mortars, and sometimes much more heavy equipment. Put here at least twenty "Zoos" with "Penicillins" per square kilometer, they will not track the harassing fire of terrorists from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The only solution to the problem will be the return of the Russian army to its previous positions in the Kharkov region, but this will not be enough - long-range, although more expensive HIMARS systems, will cope with the increased distance. Therefore, either take Kharkov, or ...

So far, the Russian leadership has chosen the option of strategic defense. A notch line and other anti-tank barriers are being dug along the entire border and in the depths of the region. That is, the army is seriously preparing for a possible attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Belgorod. For example, along the E105 highway connecting the capital of the region with Kharkov. The American Institute for the Study of War (ISW) commented in a very peculiar way on rumors about a possible nationalist offensive on Belgorod.

The key idea is that the Kremlin is dispersing this newsbreak in order to justify a second return to the north of the Kharkiv region. Americans reassure:

"Ukraine has no strategic interest in invading Russia and cannot do it on such a scale."

ISW has been famous for its "unbiased" conclusions before, but here they have outdone themselves. Not a single sane Russian now needs any reason to justify the pushing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the borders of the Belgorod region.

Why should the Russian leadership spin a fake, waste resources on anti-tank ditches, if the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is impossible? Moreover, to instill fear in the locals. Apparently, ISW finds a certain logic in this.

Fermentation in Kharkiv region


In the second half of November, Ukrainian forces definitely revived in the Kharkiv region. According to war correspondents and local residents, the nationalists are occupying hospitals and schools, bringing up manpower and equipment. On November 23, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced missile attacks on the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which were transferred by rail to the line of contact. Apparently, some of this was intended for the Kharkov region.

Does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have the opportunity and, most importantly, the desire to break through to the Belgorod region now? However, why only in Belgorodskaya? Bryansk is in no less danger.

From the point of view of strategic planning, this step for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be reckless. Here we can agree with ISW - Zelensky and Zaluzhny will not receive a big advantage from the invasion of the territory of Russia. Hypothetically, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can occupy a couple of settlements, for example, in the Shebekinsky district, but at the cost of heavy losses. The Russian army gets a long-awaited chance to unwind the enemy forces on stretched lines of communication and noticeably thin out both the personnel of Bandera and military equipment.

By the way, about military equipment.

Accurate loss data tanks, the main player in the ground offensive, is not on the Ukrainian side, but there are OSINT intelligence officers from the United States. So, only according to photo and video evidence, they counted at least 370 tanks lost by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Only imported T-72Ms were destroyed and 35 pieces were captured. There is nothing to close these needs - the West does not provide tanks. Therefore, for the offensive, Kyiv will have to thoroughly scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Another thing is if the preparations for an attack on Belgorod are planned by the Kyiv regime as a distraction operation. The true direction may be the Kupyanskoe, which the nationalists have recently attacked more and more often.

Paying attention to the opinion of ISW is not worth it - this office works in close cooperation with Kyiv and its foreign curators. On the contrary, the soothing tone of analysts speaks of the calm before the storm. The only question is in which direction this storm will strike.

Among the versions of further events is a temporary ban on the American side to invade Russia. The United States considers this event as a possible trigger for a serious complication of the situation at the front. For wavering Russians, the appearance of Bandera's scum in Russia will become a button for accepting the true realities and goals of the special operation. As the Americans say, the citizens of Russia will finally rally around the flag.

The escalation of the conflict will hasten its end - in one way or another. And this is not in the interests of Washington, which from the very beginning of the special operation is doing everything to delay it. The West does not benefit from either a quick victory for Kyiv or a quick end to the conflict on the Kremlin's terms. The Americans see this as a long-awaited depletion of Russian resources and the destruction of statehood.


Source: molva33.ru

But who said that the Kyiv regime is guided only by strategic expediency. And with them, and import curators. Everyone remembers how propagandists dispersed history with the "Belgorod People's Republic", which will become part of Ukraine after the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. How accidental and not very crossings of the state border of Russia are documented. Belgorod has long been a real symbol of revenge for neo-Nazis in Ukraine. And this is important now to maintain the fighting spirit of Bandera.

Or, for example, the announcement of a new wave of mobilization. Say, if we already went beyond the borders on February 24, what will happen next. It is precisely for political reasons that Kyiv can justify the hypothetical “Belgorod raid”, not only to its supporters, but also to its curators. If internal motives outweigh external ones, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will strike. Just not anytime soon.

For the next couple of weeks, during daylight hours, the border area will remain difficult to pass, both for vehicles and for infantry. With the establishment of round-the-clock sub-zero temperatures, the ground will harden, and with it, anti-tank fortifications on the border will become less dangerous.

The situation when you have to guess whether the enemy will attack or not is bad. The initiative in the Kharkiv region is on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they can afford to carry out special information operations, express their intentions, or, conversely, act in “operational silence”. Send terrorists to shell Russian civilian villages and call it friendly fire.

The solution to the crisis is simple to the point of banality - the enemy needs to impose his will, so that the nationalists can already guess which side they will get.

Until this happens, alarmist sentiments will prevail, and they will intensify with the onset of real cold weather in the Bryansk region.
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  1. +52
    28 November 2022 05: 47
    The solution to the crisis is simple to the point of banality - the enemy needs to impose his will

    In order to impose someone else's will, you must have your own will. And this is not yet clear. Either statements about readiness for negotiations (about what?), then "gestures of goodwill", then "concern for the health of military personnel", then the exchange of captured Natsiks for "godfather" and the surrender of Kherson.
    "Everything goes according to plan...". That's just some kind of plan "with a squiggle, panimaish."
    Will will, if there is a lot of strength, and I got carried away: I rushed ten thousand like five hundred - and baked!
    (V. Vysotsky)
    1. +19
      28 November 2022 09: 47
      Quote: Amateur
      then the exchange of captured Natsiks for "godfather" and the surrender of Kherson.

      These are strange "multi-moves" of the Ministry of Defense, in terms of agreements with the customs service, as a result of which a ban was actually imposed on the import of dual-use goods by private individuals (read volunteers). Not export, but import! Those. Maviks, teplaki, bronics, nightlights, walkie-talkies are now banned.
      Isn't this a betrayal?
      1. -20
        28 November 2022 09: 58
        Specifically, it's definitely not. The ban, of course, is strange, but people do not import weapons, but things that are quite harmless in themselves. But are there few strange prohibitions in this world?
        1. +19
          28 November 2022 10: 25
          Quote: Plate
          Specifically, it's definitely not. The ban, of course, is strange, but people do not import weapons, but things that are quite harmless in themselves.

          I do not quite understand. And the ban is not strange, it is criminal. Without many of these things, the front will shake up. For teploks and quadcopters, 90% are things bought personally or fitted by volunteers. According to radios, this is about 70%. And all this is now hung at customs.
      2. +3
        28 November 2022 10: 28
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Amateur
        then the exchange of captured Natsiks for "godfather" and the surrender of Kherson.

        These are strange "multi-moves" of the Ministry of Defense, in terms of agreements with the customs service, as a result of which a ban was actually imposed on the import of dual-use goods by private individuals (read volunteers). Not export, but import! Those. Maviks, teplaki, bronics, nightlights, walkie-talkies are now banned.
        Isn't this a betrayal?

        I wrote a hundred times already - the FCS has always caught goods of dual and military use. Not 8 months - but always.
        And the State Customs Committee of the Russian Federation caught it before.
        All goods must be accompanied by the necessary permits.
        For example, walkie-talkies - from a certain power and above - with the permission of the Radio Frequency Committee.
        It is practically impossible for an individual to obtain a permit / license - only a legal entity
        Without these documents -
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Maviks, teplaki, armors, nightlights, walkie-talkies
        - banal smuggling. Her pass is criminal cases against customs officers. Do customs officers want a criminal case on their neck, will anyone cover it from her in a situation, yeah, right now ....
        Do they want to delve into this in the country? Mmm ... but what for? It's easier to kick the customs officers - "yes, they are all thieves and crooks !!"
        A banal example is when the runners ran to Kazakhstan- there were heaps of comments " customs officers they should not be allowed in / caught / take renunciations of citizenship / such nonsense ... "- and not a single aphid of angry commentators knew that there were no customs officers on the border with Kazakhstan for 11 years (since 2011).
        There are only border guards and that's all ...
        1. +19
          28 November 2022 10: 36
          Quote: your1970
          I wrote a hundred times already - the FCS has always caught goods of dual and military use. Not 8 months - but always.

          Lie. There was always catching through the fingers. Walkie-talkies without problems, covers of slabs and the slabs themselves could be ordered without problems a month ago. Mavics too. Today it all hangs at customs. The telegram is seething with indignation, all the military correspondents are trumpeting this, even the pro-government ones, but I look to you all God's dew. Who are you for anyway?
          1. +1
            28 November 2022 13: 25
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Lying.

            Would you like to bring normative acts on a military commissar and a twin or an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Always been catching through your fingers

            Do you know the physical throughput of checkpoints?
            Can you imagine the time required to inspect 1 container?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Walkie-talkies without problems, covers of slabs and the slabs themselves could be ordered without problems a month ago.

            Do you want me to tell you the technology?
            For example, a powerful Baofeng is bought - but according to the documents it goes like a "household", a cover for a platen - a "backpack", an armor plate - an "iron billet" (almost without lying!).
            And then everything rests on the capabilities of the checkpoint, the workload of inspectors, their knowledge and intuition.
            As far as I know- borders with LDNR was ORALLY said at the time supervisory authorities - "FTS for these things - do not pinch."


            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Who are you for anyway?
            - I just perfectly understand what it's like to walk under a criminal case - when no one can make a change in the legislation and at least cover it up a little.
            If it were at least imported by the state - and not some left individual.
            But even in this case, everything can be extremely fun. For example, Cherkizon's goods were imported to the address of the 2nd military unit - the Ministry of Defense and the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And the Far Eastern customs officers were dragged for 3 years through pre-trial detention centers and courts - for opening transit for these goods. Then, as a result, the bulk remained at large - due to the absence of a crime event. But 3 years of life - down the drain.

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            all military correspondents are trumpeting this, even pro-government ones

            Are these officials who are legally responsible for their words?
            If not, then for the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Internal Affairs / FSB - they are ordinary individuals ...
            Telegram is always seething with indignation - but it will not be a justifying document in a smuggling case.
            1. +5
              28 November 2022 14: 52
              Quote: your1970
              Would you like to bring normative acts on a military commissar and a twin or an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

              I am sure that officials covered themselves with the letter of the law. As well as you. But in fact, these new / old decrees / laws have begun to pinch imports only now, in difficult times. And this is a betrayal at this point in time. Similarly, the traitors are those who cover it up. It doesn't matter where they are, in Moscow, but in the Far East or Saratov.
              P.S. All this can be bought on Avito, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs is on the side. Also, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is absolutely not interested in porn sites, but they closely monitor the number of likes of the opposition
              1. +4
                28 November 2022 18: 49
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                But in fact, these new / old decrees / laws began to pinch imports only now, in difficult times
                in fact, they imprisoned for American tiles imported on the Almaty train back in the 2000s. And for radio stations at the same time ..
                And a year ago
                It was just that it was an expensive commodity and not usually in demand.
                And now everything has become aggravated - due to demand and an increase in the volume of imported goods.
                And the laws, as they were in the 1990s - 2000, are the same.

                Parable...
                In the year 1996, we took a brick from our regiment to the general (in your Oktyabrsky, he rebuilt the parents' house). And the devils took us out in Samara to a one-way street, where the movement of trucks is generally prohibited - towards the traffic ...
                And let's go, on a Ural fire truck. In which a rail was welded in front, which stuck out half a meter on each side. No, naturally it was with signs - they say it was oversized ....
                And now we are driving in the opposite direction, in the middle of the street, because otherwise we cannot be bypassed. And everything was great, and we spit on traffic rules - because at that time the traffic police did not fine the military - only transfer the protocol through Moscow and the district to our VAI .... wassat lol

                And now you are demanding from customs officers - just like we used to - in the opposite direction, violating a bunch of codes and laws and knowing that they can be imprisoned at the end of the street ...
                Unlike us back then...

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                All this can be bought on Avito, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs is a side
                acetone is sold in any stall - but try to import / export / transit it at least a railway tank - WITHOUT relevant documents. And you will find out what precursors are and how many years of imprisonment they give ...
                1. +1
                  28 November 2022 19: 27
                  Quote: your1970
                  in fact, they imprisoned for American tiles imported on the Almaty train back in the 2000s. And for radio stations at the same time ..
                  And a year ago

                  All this could be bought on the official website of Carbide or Ars Arma. Radio stations are exactly the same in free sale on the Yandex market. I'm talking about the fact that the customs officers at the snap of the fingers of bureaucrats from the Ministry of Defense sharply remembered the letter of the law. The loot is passing by.
                  Maybe it's enough to pull an owl on a globe?
                  Do you have any moral restrictions, or are you ready to justify any trash if it comes from power?
                  1. +2
                    28 November 2022 20: 30
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    customs officers at the snap of the fingers of bureaucrats from the Ministry of Defense

                    To begin with, the FCS is not subordinate to the Moscow Region in any way. Therefore, MO can at least snap - there will be no effect from this. FCS is subordinate to the Ministry of Finance

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    All this could be bought on the official website of Carbide or Ars Arma.

                    And what does import have to do with it - if they are like manufacturers? And how can manufacturers absolutely legally receive appropriate conclusions / permits from the FSTEC and KVTS MO?

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Radio stations are exactly the same in free sale on the Yandex market.
                    lol lol called specifically to ask...
                    Now there is a register of radios ALLOWED for import. They are imported ..
                    the bulk of 5-10 W is enough for 2-3 km along the intersection, no more.
                    Like 'powerful' - they import cases (others !!), stick 5-10W boards there, glue nameplates - "15-2-50 W" and voila ...
                    The Chinese do the same.
                    Or they send it to the ball - what will slip through

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    ready to justify any trash if it comes from power?
                    in this particular case, you suggest that customs officers go in the opposite direction, breaking the law and realizing that no one will intercede ...

                    You absolutely consciously offer the authorities to violate a bunch of laws and at the same time want the authorities to comply with the laws????!!!
                    We play here, we don't play here?
                    1. 0
                      29 November 2022 07: 23
                      Quote: your1970
                      the bulk of 5-10 W is enough for 2-3 km along the intersection, no more.

                      Baofeng 1801 - stuck at customs. Personally, I have. At the same time, it is completely free on Yandex, but twice as expensive.
                      Quote: your1970
                      You absolutely consciously offer the authorities to violate a bunch of laws and at the same time want the authorities to comply with the laws????!!!

                      Laws in wartime need to be quickly adjusted to the realities.
                      In addition, the zeal of customs "completely by chance" coincided with the wishes of the Ministry of Defense, about which there is an official statement on the net.
                      But you are all God's dew.
                      1. +2
                        29 November 2022 13: 24
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        In addition, the zeal of customs "completely by chance" coincided with the wishes of the Ministry of Defense, about which there is an official statement on the net.
                        But you are all God's dew.
                        - personally for you - FCS NEVER(!!!!!!!!!!!) did not obey the MO,, NOT was with him in the same block of government agencies, NOT supervised by the same Deputy Prime Minister.
                        Therefore, the MO Wishlist is the MO Wishlist, which is not related to real life.
                        The law and decrees were written in 1990-2000 - not yesterday

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Laws in wartime need to be quickly adjusted to the realities.
                        FCS - because she SERVICE(!!!!)- NOT has the right of legislative initiative.
                        The Federal Customs Service may come to the Ministry of Finance with a proposal for a change - no more.

                        Quote: dnepropetrovsk
                        After all, it’s possible not to write a law, but behind the scenes to lower the command to turn a blind eye to the import of certain goods

                        Repeat
                        Quote: your1970
                        in this particular case, you suggest that customs officers go in the opposite direction, breaking the law and realizing that no one will intercede ...

                        You absolutely consciously offer the authorities to violate a bunch of laws and at the same time want the authorities to comply with the laws????!!!
                        We play here, we don't play here?
                      2. +1
                        29 November 2022 14: 09
                        Quote: your1970
                        for you personally - the FCS was NEVER (!!!!!!!!!!!) subordinate to the Moscow Region, was NOT in the same bloc of government agencies with it, was NOT supervised by the same vice-premier.

                        You again all God's dew ....


                        It seems like nice words about speeding up imports. Yes, but ONLY through the Ministry of Defense.
                        All the rest of the stick in the wheel.
                      3. 0
                        29 November 2022 14: 48
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Yes, but ONLY through the Ministry of Defense.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You again all God's dew ....

                        and you don't even read what is written and what did you stick yourself?????
                        That when organizing such deliveries, one must contact the Ministry of Defense and that the import of goods not intended for SVO - in the usual order with observance of export control???
                        How are you individual bringing in Baofengi -
                        obviously can not confirm the status of "goods for SVO" and customs absolutely legal applies statutory and executive restrictions to you.
                        Moreover - MO goods always went in priority order, including because they always had the conclusions of the FSTEC and KVTS - from the eparchy of the Moscow Region.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        All the rest of the stick in the wheel.
                        -didn’t you try to read your opponent? I gave you examples from the early 2000s - that’s how it was IS ALWAYS
                        .

                        And there will most likely be no simplification - because you will have to rewrite a bunch of laws and re-sign a bunch of international treaties - in the CIS, with far abroad, in the UN.
                        The situation - regardless of you - is really serious.
                        I, in my opinion - a person facing this, see one way out - but he not normal....
                        Otherwise, nothing will change with supplies - only through the Moscow Region
                      4. -1
                        29 November 2022 15: 05
                        Quote: your1970
                        Otherwise, nothing will change with supplies - only through the Moscow Region

                        For those who are especially slow-witted - a month ago everyone passed normally. It is on these deliveries that the front rests today.
                        And who did it, traitor. As well as those who try to justify it.
                      5. 0
                        29 November 2022 18: 12
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        For those who are especially slow-witted - a month ago everyone passed normally.

                        not a month ago, not six months, not a week there were no changes in the NPA.Such "RAMs" as you brought - were always. 20 years ago there was an emphasis on silencers and optics, 10 years ago on communication optics and thermal imagers
                        It has always been and will always be

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        As well as those who try to justify it.
                        You can call me a traitor.
                        I had to listen to a lot of nasty things when I worked as a customs officer - you have never heard so much in your life. Where to go - such work and you won’t give your opponent in the face.
                        Only now I'm not ashamed of myself and the work I have done - not a bit ashamed

                        Repeat
                        Quote: Ingvar 72

                        You absolutely consciously offer power violate a bunch of laws and at the same time want the power of the laws observed???? !!!
                        We play here, we don't play here?
                    2. 0
                      29 November 2022 07: 58
                      If you are in connection with an oak, then you do not need to disgrace yourself.
                    3. +2
                      29 November 2022 08: 55
                      Good day to all. It's not the customs officials. It's about government approach. We cannot do it ourselves, but we prohibit importation. After all, you can not write a law, but secretly send a command to turn a blind eye to the import of certain goods. This was done in the time of the kings. Re-read Pikul "I have the honor." Yes, by the way, about the border with Kazakhstan, the movement of people across the border is controlled not by customs, but by border guards. I'm telling you this as an ex.
                    4. +2
                      29 November 2022 19: 32
                      There is no point in arguing with Ingvar. He always hums the same record. His job is to throw it on the fan
            2. +2
              29 November 2022 07: 56
              What is such a powerful baofeng, what are you talking about? All models are certified by us. Of those that are sold on Ali. And note, allowed for free circulation! Responsibility is only directly for work in certain ranges with a certain power. While lying in the box, there is no administrative staff! It is administrative and not criminal! And it is promoted primarily by outbids and a huge number of firms selling relabeled China under the guise of Russian brands. They stuck their nameplate on tyt or hytera and tear up prices! Moreover, they are glued directly at the factory in China! Or here are tactical headphones at a price of 11-12 thousand in Russia, prices are already raising up to 38 !!!! And believe me, no one will block the supply to such businessmen - every customs officer has a share!
              1. -3
                29 November 2022 14: 21
                Quote: Minus
                While lying in the box, there is no administrative staff! It is administrative and not criminal!
                -the conversation was about smuggling with the provision of fake documents
                Quote: Minus
                And believe me, no one will block the supply to such businessmen - every customs officer has a share!

                you haven’t heard about CEDs, haven’t you? So I’ll tell you a secret - for about 10 years, the bulk (more than 90%) of goods are processed through them via the Internet using ED-2 - and not at local customs posts.
                You are behind the times - customs officers now, if only at checkpoints they can get a little, and the lafa has long ended at clearance.
        2. +3
          28 November 2022 18: 35
          What kind of contraband is being transported across Russia without crossing the border, the front line in Russia is already, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, by law, is already Russia
          1. 0
            28 November 2022 19: 12
            Quote: blackcat
            What smuggling is carried in Russia
            of China? Don't cross borders belay ?
      3. +9
        28 November 2022 14: 01
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Amateur
        then the exchange of captured Natsiks for "godfather" and the surrender of Kherson.

        These are strange "multi-moves" of the Ministry of Defense, in terms of agreements with the customs service, as a result of which a ban was actually imposed on the import of dual-use goods by private individuals (read volunteers). Not export, but import! Those. Maviks, teplaki, bronics, nightlights, walkie-talkies are now banned.
        Isn't this a betrayal?

        No hi
        This is called, the volunteers "went into a strange clearing" - there are now SUCH!!! grandmothers go back and forth, and the volunteers, "pasting", get in the way under your feet and lower the price tags))))))))
        "For whom is the war, and for whom is the mother" (c) proverb am
        1. +3
          28 November 2022 23: 49
          Quote: Corona without virus
          This is called, the volunteers "went into a strange clearing" - there are now SUCH!!! grandmothers go back and forth, and the volunteers, "pasting", get in the way under your feet and lower the price tags))))))))

          What is a foreign meadow? What are you talking about, dear? Why reduce everything to a banal cut? If these people (who are allegedly hindered by volunteers) would bring at least one drone into the country, then I would agree with you. And here a direct betrayal of the motherland is danced, expressed in the sabotage of supplies necessary for the front. During the Second World War, they would have been shot immediately for this, although no, at first they would have looked for accomplices, but they would have shot anyway. And now it seems to me that they won’t even look for it, they will write it off as stupidity and greed. And I would look for treason and bills in the Bahamas and a curator in London, they don’t go for an idea like that now
      4. 0
        30 November 2022 01: 13
        You woke up, or, like many, you hear only a ringing, but you haven’t read the document or further events. Couch alarmist?
    2. -10
      28 November 2022 09: 50
      Quote: Amateur
      Will will, if there is a lot of strength, and I got carried away: I rushed ten thousand like five hundred - and baked!
      (V. Vysotsky)

      Here he hit one, two, three -
      And ... he himself lost his strength,
      The referee raised my hand
      which I didn't beat

      (V. Vysotsky)
      1. +10
        28 November 2022 10: 29
        Quote: Boris55
        which I didn't beat

        Here I read you Boris, and I am amazed at the degree of optimism. I had such a state 30 years ago, and under cannabiotes. laughing
        PS I do not know what degree of degradation of the intellect must be in order to consider the possibility of winning without mobilizing the economy a real possibility.
        1. -18
          28 November 2022 11: 14
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I do not know what degree of degradation of the intellect must be in order to consider the possibility of winning without mobilizing the economy a real possibility.

          Have we run out of rockets again? laughing
          1. +8
            28 November 2022 11: 42
            Quote: Boris55
            Have we run out of rockets again?

            Exaggerate as much as you like, but shell hunger is already a fact. And these are not piece products, but mass production, which does not exist. Have you heard of barrel wear?
            I spoke about the need for mobilization back in the spring. About the need to mobilize the economy and martial law in the summer.
            1. +2
              28 November 2022 14: 34
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Exaggerate as much as you like, but shell hunger is already a fact. And these are not piece products, but mass production, which does not exist. Have you heard of barrel wear?

              what If there is no on-going mass production, then what is there to mobilize, in the economy, then? (More than what has been said)

              On the other hand, Noah built the ark before later... (like the Soviets).
            2. +2
              29 November 2022 14: 12
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              and martial law in the summer.
              What will martial law do in our situation?
              The army will have to patrol settlements and areas where martial law has been introduced - do we have extra units in the army for this?
              Restricted entry and exit from populated areas - do we have extra units in the army to control?
              Protection of military, important state and special facilities, facilities that ensure the vital activity of the population, the functioning of transport, communications and communications, energy facilities, as well as facilities that pose an increased danger to human life and health and the environment - we have extra parts for this ?
              5) suspension of the activities of political parties, other public associations, religious associations, leading propaganda and (or) agitation, as well as other activities that undermine under martial law, the defense and security of the Russian Federation - you - for myself- do you understand what you are proposing? Can your posts be regarded as agitation of the authorities undermining the country's defense? Not abstract Navalny, but personally Your?
              "8) prohibition or restriction of the choice of place of stay or place of residence;
              9) prohibition or restriction of holding meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and picketing, as well as other mass events;
              10) the prohibition of strikes and other ways of suspending or terminating the activities of organizations; "- do you understand what you are calling for?

              Have you read the law at all?Before demanding its introduction??
          2. 0
            28 November 2022 15: 21
            Quote: Boris55
            Have we run out of rockets again?

            By the presence of missiles and their stock, it is easy to trace the frequency of attacks on the energy sector of Ukraine, this is not something that in the first months they hit barns for the sake of a report, but now they are really accumulating.
    3. +1
      29 November 2022 01: 26
      One will to resolve the issue with Kharkov (and not only), unfortunately, is not enough. We need solid reserves to make serious sweeps and encirclements, but they are not available now. Partial mobilization will partially solve this problem, if at all it will solve at least a little. Therefore, so far only a war of depletion of resources.
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    1. +11
      28 November 2022 07: 31
      Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
      This is Russia's "answer" for many years of support for Muslim terrorists around the world!

      Justify your statement, please.
    2. +8
      28 November 2022 08: 43
      And sho, Vi, Fima, do you have to say "this" country for Islamic terrorists?
    3. +4
      28 November 2022 09: 10
      This is Russia's "answer" for many years of support for Muslim terrorists around the world! If the Kremlin does not realize this... Russia is in for a horrific collapse!
      You definitely misled something or you dreamed it all. You need to have a snack, as Etush told Shurik in captive.
    4. +9
      28 November 2022 09: 47
      What have I read now?
      "This is Russia's "answer" for many years of support for Muslim terrorists around the world! If the Kremlin does not realize this... Russia will face a horrific collapse"
      Have you tried to substantiate aasha heresy??
    5. +1
      28 November 2022 11: 47
      Quote: EFIM LYUBIN
      This is Russia's "answer" for many years of support for Muslim terrorists around the world!

      It's Monday morning, and you still drink? Or is yesterday's not weathered?
  3. +10
    28 November 2022 06: 05
    Nothing surprises me anymore.
    This war brings so many surprises that anything is possible.
    And the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including the Belgorod or Kursk regions.
    I remember well how the Armed Forces of Ukraine took Kupyansk, Izyum, Kharkov and other NP DRGs.
    So here, too, they may well seep in the same way.
    Well, there the troops may come up for this, while ours are waiting for them elsewhere.
    There, too, not fools sit and are not going to catch flies with their mouths.
    These are all our "front lines are leveling" and tactical retreats are being carried out.
    The tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as I understand it, will be more cunning and tougher.
    1. 0
      28 November 2022 07: 32
      The invasion will be, in fact, an "open door", towards Moscow. There will be serious losses on our side, but then the "door will be slammed" in front of the nose of the attackers, and they will be put at the door. This whole situation was shown back in March last year, though on a different level. So the inhabitants of the border regions should prepare for the arrival of the "warriors of light."
      1. +4
        28 November 2022 09: 15
        The invasion will be, in fact, an "open door", towards Moscow. There will be serious losses on our side, but then the "door will be slammed" in front of the nose of the attackers, and they will be put at the door.

        Well, there the fortifications are very serious, on the one hand, on the other, there are units manned by conscripts, they prop up the mobilized and contract soldiers. They will not have an easy walk there and the door there is from the safe.
        1. +6
          28 November 2022 14: 32
          Time will tell. In Russia, winter always comes suddenly, we have such a national tradition, gouging. So, near Kharkov, everyone saw and knew everything, but the territory had to be left.
          1. 0
            28 November 2022 15: 13
            Time will tell. In Russia, winter always comes suddenly, a national tradition
            yes agree with you wink smile
        2. +3
          28 November 2022 18: 12
          In Kherson, too, everything was fine.
          However, they made a retreat.
          So I'm not sure of anything.
          Previously, she had no doubts about our victory, but now she has turned into a desperate pessimist.
          And, the most offensive thing is that there are no complaints about our fighters at all, any army in the world can only dream of such warriors.
          But with regard to the leadership of this NWO, I have more and more disappointments.
          And everything is as always: Russian soldiers sometimes win local victories that are brilliant by all standards, but the top military authorities almost never use them to achieve strategic goals.
      2. +1
        28 November 2022 18: 13
        All right.
        As long as the enemy does not reach Moscow, our superiors will never catch their breath.
    2. +15
      28 November 2022 07: 40
      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
      Nothing surprises me anymore.

      Oh, but I have not forgotten how to be surprised and I am very surprised when comparing this article by Fedorov with those articles that he wrote at the beginning of the "non-war".))))
      1. +2
        28 November 2022 09: 21
        wink winked smile
        I am very surprised when comparing this article by Fedorov with those articles that he wrote at the beginning of the "non-war".))))
        The same thing comes to mind. I think there is one place where they can rush to this village in the Bryansk region, which, in fact, is surrounded by saloreich on three sides. From a PR point of view, it's just a great place to attack.
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            1. +8
              28 November 2022 13: 22
              The point is not at all in this, not in unprepared generals, not in the fact that the mobilized decided to surrender, these are not causes - these are consequences. The consequences of the fact that officials have repeatedly lied to us from TV screens, they said that the state does not owe you anything, and now it turned out that we must go and shed blood for this very state. And they will continue to broadcast on the "blue eye", and someone will drive them or their children into the trench? No, they won’t, they will continue to conclude “grain deals”, trade in raw materials with those who send weapons to Ukraine, and they don’t even give orders to destroy the supply channels for these weapons. They trade in oil, and this oil feeds the engines of Ukrainian tanks. If according to Marx, then the interests of the ruling class came into direct conflict with the interests of the country. And if according to the Bible, then "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself will be desolate; and every city or house divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25. That's what my comment is about. And where all this will lead us, I'm afraid to imagine.
              1. +4
                28 November 2022 13: 49
                As they say, the truth hurts the eye and is not pleasing, not only to officials, but to ordinary people. Everyone is glad to be deceived and does not want to hear about the problems that an ordinary citizen that an official. From the court and the divergence of reality from the picture, when you live in a fictional reality for a long time, it is not easy to perceive reality. hence the minuses. NWO will be a long bloodbath in the fire that cleanses it, the last hopes about the Russian WORLD will burn out and everyone will understand that a warrior is a business and the result is not important here.
                Kipling's epitaph on the grave of his son is appropriate here.
                FINAL RESULTS .
                Question - "Why did we die?" You won't find the answer right away!
                Rather, because our fathers always told us lies!
                everyone who died was sacrificed to the purse of the moneybags
                1. +2
                  28 November 2022 14: 06
                  Quote: insafufa
                  NWO will be a long bloody bath in the fire that cleanses it, the last hopes about the Russian WORLD will burn out and everyone will understand that a warrior is a business and the result is not important here.

                  God grant that people on both sides would quickly understand who is the true culprit of such conflicts.
          2. +4
            28 November 2022 13: 02
            but by the fact that the Russian Federation is stupidly not ready for war
            You didn’t formulate it correctly here. It’s not ready for war, but it can’t wage war. Despite the fact that sovereignty was prescribed in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it no longer exists. Yes, and it has not been since 1991. It hurts, the Russian oligarchy is tied to the Western one. A simple example, they wrote here in VO. Kherson, they surrendered, 8 lards were unlocked for Abramovich. Again, there are Nazis in Ukraine, we are conducting NWO. In the Baltic states, the Nazis, we do not conduct NWO, patamushtaaa is different, they are members of NATO, and through the Baltics, gas pipelines and oil pipelines do not go to Europe. Hence, in this war, or how correctly there are many operations strange. Then historians will write: As a result of the SVO, Ukrainian, Russian oligarchs and TNCs did not suffer. hi
            1. +4
              28 November 2022 13: 25
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              Not not ready for war, but not able to wage war.

              Yes, you are right, I wrote about it a little higher.
    3. +11
      28 November 2022 09: 39
      Interesting - does anyone else remember that the purpose of the special operation type originally declared by the guarantor was the protection of Donbass? what How did it happen that we are now seriously discussing the defense of Kursk and Belgorod? belay
      1. -16
        28 November 2022 09: 51
        No one in their right mind will climb Belgorod.
        For in this case, Kyiv will immediately receive nuclear weapons through a bank account.
        And no one in the Russian world will say anything about it.
        Maybe ours are waiting for this?
        1. +10
          28 November 2022 10: 45
          Quote from: topol717
          Maybe ours are waiting for this?

          "Ours" are waiting for someone to deign to talk with them, and they are always ready to surrender in exchange for their well-being.
        2. +2
          28 November 2022 18: 21
          So already the Belgorod region is bombed almost several times a day.
          So what?
          Never mind.
          The Kremlin is silent, no one gets through Bankovaya, Zelensky walks around Kherson as if in his apartment, and ours only look at him from afar through the optics and do not dare to lift a finger, because the authorities did not give an order
      2. +1
        28 November 2022 10: 01
        So the Second World War began because of Danzig.
    4. 0
      28 November 2022 12: 46
      There is a military necessity, and there is a political one. I think in Kyiv, with all the rhetoric about victory on the battlefield, they really understand that if we take it seriously, then they have zero chances! am the goal is to prevent this from happening! the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is possible if Putin retreats, and he gives reasons to think so! belay discrediting the General Staff and Putin, as military specialists capable of winning, is the way to victory for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The General Staff normally discredits itself this way with its regroupings, and Putin distances himself from the General Staff by moving the arrows to the General Staff when describing the situation on the fronts. It’s not like he rules there, but the General Staff makes decisions himself! No.
      Therefore, a successful throw conditionally on Belgorod, capturing captured conscripts and God forbid also with the entrance to Belgorod, this can greatly affect the situation in the Russian Federation! The Armed Forces of Ukraine may roll back later, but the mechanism for negotiations on the terms of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be launched! The strategy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a bloodbath for the Russians, the rest is of little interest to them, they try to inflict maximum losses primarily on the Russian army, because they are more sensitive to society than the attack on Donetsk and its destruction, for example
  4. +21
    28 November 2022 06: 06
    There is no exact data on the losses of tanks, the main player in the ground offensive, by the Ukrainian side.
    Let's ask Konashenkov? According to his reports, by the second month of the NMD, all Ukrainian tanks were knocked out .. smile
    1. -6
      28 November 2022 09: 56
      Have you heard anything about deliveries? Do you sleep? wassat
    2. 0
      28 November 2022 10: 35
      Quote: parusnik
      There is no exact data on the losses of tanks, the main player in the ground offensive, by the Ukrainian side.
      Let's ask Konashenkov? According to his reports, by the second month of the NMD, all Ukrainian tanks were knocked out .. smile

      And you read the summary of the Soviet Information Bureau - on the tenth day of the war on the day of the surrender of Minsk - in it "500 were shot down today recourse enemy planes. "And not a gugu about the surrender of Minsk ...
  5. 0
    28 November 2022 06: 21
    It is not in vain that the Americans dissuade them from attacking Belgorod. The human resources of Ukraine are not unlimited. And as you know, the attacking side loses more than the defensive one. And the spring can straighten out and hit hard on Ukraine itself. It is difficult to judge what will happen, but difficult times await Ukraine.
    1. +6
      28 November 2022 08: 33
      The losses of the attackers are higher (which is not always the same) when the defense is breached, and after entering the operational space, the attacker already has much fewer losses.
      This is just a classic taken apart by the German generals both in the memoirs and in the writings of many of the unfinished.
      The same is true of our theorists and, in fact, of all countries where there is an army.
      Moreover, with superiority in artillery and a breakthrough in defense, it is also not a fact that it brings many losses.
      1. -6
        28 November 2022 10: 05
        And what is said about the extension of the forces of the advancing? The apparent operational space can be a trap. And you need to attack simultaneously along the entire border, otherwise the Sumerian army will be under the threat of flank attacks. And this is already an operational path to defeat. I'm not talking about that among our slow-witted ones, who act strictly according to the perfect action, it can close and they will strike with tact on Kyiv and the rest of Sumeria.
        So there is no need for German generals here. They developed their own operations.
        1. +2
          28 November 2022 13: 01
          I care little about how the horse army will advance, I care about how our army will advance.
          I am more concerned about when the great and terrible BTGs will be replaced with regiments, divisions and corps, when the defense will be torn not after the work of the 122-6 "division along five kilometers of the front, but by an artillery regiment along 1 km of the front.
          When it comes that the BTG is for the so-called police operations against the enemy, broken into shit, morally broken and persecution of the fleeing. The BTG cannot fight normally due to its low firepower.
          1. -2
            28 November 2022 17: 21
            Yes soon, friend, soon. Alas, for these mistakes you have to pay with blood.
  6. +14
    28 November 2022 06: 23
    It might be better to negotiate, send Medinsky to Istanbul. There is still Abramovich, who is not clear for whom, but his assets are in Russia. Let's offer Bandera something, you see, they will calm down for a while. Contracts and multi-move are our main weapons. And another question: why does the author believe that the West will not supply tanks to Square? They have already noted about, or the author forgot in the then Kherson direction. The training of Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 and F-15 in the United States is already underway. They do everything right - first they will prepare the personnel well for work on this equipment, and then they will deliver it.
    1. +7
      28 November 2022 10: 03
      Quote: fiberboard
      There is still Abramovich, who is not clear for whom, but his assets are in Russia

      In Russia, he has the means of production, the profit from which he immediately takes abroad.
      https://dni-ru.turbopages.org/dni.ru/s/economy/2016/11/7/352832.html
      I don’t know about Abramovich, but Vekselberg does not invest money in the means of production, squeezing the remnants from the Soviet legacy. I think Abramovich is no better.
      Quote: fiberboard
      The training of Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 and F-15 in the USA is already underway

      It's coming from spring. Everything is done right there.
  7. KCA
    +6
    28 November 2022 06: 24
    In order for the soil to harden, it takes a week -10, or even lower, otherwise, at just sub-zero temperatures, the soil will harden perfectly - thin ice on top, and under it the same slurry, you can’t walk or drive
  8. +8
    28 November 2022 06: 45
    They are preparing a tank strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Local residents of neighboring villages are transmitting - the settlement of Sliznevo, the village itself without inhabitants. They ask to destroy the Nazis. The whole village and the forest nearby are the deployment of a large number of tanks. They hid between the huts .... bastards are hiding behind.
    Ukraine
    Kharkiv region
    Velikoburluksky district
    Coordinates 50°10'38'' N. sh. 37°25'19''E d.
    1. +2
      28 November 2022 12: 30
      As demanded by the priest - a military priest from the movie "Big Road": "The enemy is cunning and cunning. Fire!" You reported the coordinates of the enemy. I gave the command. Is it up to Russian artillery?
  9. +9
    28 November 2022 06: 50
    All right. But I cannot understand one thing, tanks and equipment do not depend on electricity, why are fuel and lubricant bases and oil refineries not destroyed? Where does fuel and lubricants come from in such a volume? Yesterday I looked at Kyiv in the evening ... from the cars it's light on the streets, traffic jams!
    1. +20
      28 November 2022 07: 11
      And Russia itself delivers fuel and lubricants to Ukraine through the Druzhba pipeline at the beginning to neutral Hungary, finally Hungary, as it were, does not provide assistance to Ukraine, they seem to be aloof from this conflict, but for some reason it is from Hungary that Ukraine receives gasoline and diesel fuel and aviation kerosene, just look at the freight traffic across the ukraine-hungarian border
      1. +8
        28 November 2022 07: 25
        Yes, this is all clear, but one thing is not clear, what have we done to stop these deliveries? As usual, there is no answer, we hit local targets belatedly, talk loudly about "successes" and are already accustomed to the mobility of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So the question is, what is the reason for the prolongation of the conflict? Even if the Amerovskys are surprised! Abramovichs do not allow?
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    3. +1
      28 November 2022 08: 20
      LUKOIL refinery in Burgos Bulgaria supplies fuel and lubricants to Ukraine probably
  10. +1
    28 November 2022 07: 10
    I really hope that there will be no withdrawal of troops here for the sake of "preserving personnel" and "leveling the front line."
    1. +10
      28 November 2022 07: 22
      Of course, there will be no "gestures of good will." Just hang out a white flag over Belgorod!
    2. -1
      28 November 2022 12: 12
      I think you are more wrong than right. They will continue to lure, lure! Maybe to Kursk, maybe to Tula. Or maybe Wellen? And then ka - a - ak they will give (preserved for this case) "Armata"! So much so that they will run to Gibraltar without looking back! Hooray?
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  13. +2
    28 November 2022 07: 58
    The situation when you have to guess whether the enemy will attack or not is bad.

    Excuse me, but it is unreasonable and fraught to expect some kind of "Dedmoroz" gifts from the enemy. You can always expect damage from the enemy. And this is known to all citizens of Russia.
    Much more interesting is the situation when we can neither wait nor even know what the Russian leadership is preparing for us.
    Stalin (at least) had an order: "Not a step back!" ... Today's Russian leadership does not even have plans close to reality, - only theses and directions ... Perhaps there, on the ground, guys with weapons will figure out what's the price ...
    1. -2
      28 November 2022 08: 23
      How do you know the plans of the leadership of Russia and NATO? Have you thought about an offensive to cut off the Donbass? And then what?
      1. -5
        28 November 2022 11: 54
        This was the plan of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for March 2022. To bypass the Lugansk and Donetsk groups from the rear, hiding behind a human shield from the civilian Russian population. Then they were preempted in the offensive on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX.
  14. +4
    28 November 2022 08: 16
    Again some strange fantasies.

    The tank attack on Belgorod has no special operational meaning. You can make a city uninhabitable with artillery and MLRS because of a ribbon, if such a desire suddenly arises.

    It makes sense to strike at Millerovo or, after the surrender of the Russian city of Lugansk to the Nazis, along the Northern Donets to the E40 highway. But for such a course of events, Joe (rather Ron) must strongly redraw the red lines. That is, until 2025 such news is hardly worth waiting for.
  15. +11
    28 November 2022 08: 19
    Why should the Russian leadership spin a fake, waste resources on anti-tank ditches, if the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is impossible?

    To cut the dough.
    For the construction of this "Siegfried Line" from the treasury allocated, let it be, 500 million rubles. 450 plundered, 50 made gouges.
    It's as obvious as God's day.
    It makes no sense for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to raid Belgorod, from a military point of view.
    And with the political... Soon there will be a commissioning of the ZNPP and, most likely, the Zaporozhye region and the north of Lugansk. Ukraine is provided with positive newsbreaks for months ahead.
    1. +4
      28 November 2022 12: 57
      You read the minds of many. The construction of fortified areas is not yet a panacea for the advancing enemy. There is also “good will”, and “regroupings”, and shadow agreements. And you won’t surprise anyone by sawing up state money, even for such projects as the mentioned URs. Koii are being actively erected not only in the Belgorod region, but also in the Lugansk region, and near Armenian. And which can easily surrender without firing a shot. History is rich in such examples. Suffice it to recall the year 1938, when (after the “Munich Shame”) the Czechs, with virtually no resistance, surrendered the Sudetenland defense line, against which the then Wehrmacht would be guaranteed to break their aggressive fangs, which had just begun to grow.
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  17. +7
    28 November 2022 09: 20
    I myself am from Belgorod, the situation is complicated. The local authorities understand this and speak openly about it. Many have already left, many are "sitting" on their suitcases. What are we waiting for? Strengthening the areas is right, and then?
  18. +4
    28 November 2022 09: 50
    SVO lasts 9 months. It should be about a raid on Lvov, not on Belgorod. Let's not say the word "hands-on" out loud. We are cultural people.
    1. -1
      28 November 2022 11: 20
      A raid in one direction or another is possible only to the nearest settlement, and then only if you manage to wedged into the gap in the defense. The Russian army has the experience of moving deep into the rear, obtained at the beginning of the operation, the Ukrainian one does not and can hardly use it.
  19. +3
    28 November 2022 09: 53
    Or maybe the Armed Forces of Ukraine will strike the Russian Federation from the territory of Latvia and Estonia? From there, it's a stone's throw to Peter.
    1. -2
      28 November 2022 11: 30
      Quote: zharyoff
      Or maybe the Armed Forces of Ukraine will strike the Russian Federation from the territory of Latvia and Estonia?

      Why such difficulties?
    2. 0
      28 November 2022 12: 01
      There is some truth in your words. The most dangerous option is to provide Finnish and Estonian bases for aviation, missile boats and submarines. These forces can be created by fictitious purchase of appropriate weapons from NATO countries and by hiring trained personnel.
      At the same time, the Kaliningrad region will be physically cut off from the metropolis.
  20. +7
    28 November 2022 10: 09
    Yes, the life of a Russian propagandist is hard and unsightly. We can say - a permanent stressful situation with continuous change of shoes.
  21. 0
    28 November 2022 10: 18
    Without unnecessary alarmism: a possible raid of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Belgorod


    a raid can be arranged in any direction, and for example, on the Crimea, Bryansk, Kursk. The whole question is the expediency, losses and Russia's response to all this. The United States, at the head of the collective West, understands this very well.
    The Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the front line are well aware of the huge losses the war with Russia costs them when they are forced to give huge fields for new cemeteries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    At the same time, the mobilization potential of Ukraine, even according to Ukrainian statistics, continues to melt before our eyes, and in September the entire population of Ukraine was just over 27.5 million people, and before the start of the NWO there were 34.5 million people. And we all understand that several more will leave Ukraine from the beginning of frost million people of active age and will remain mainly pensioners, the elderly and the disabled. Already now, in order to mobilize new hundreds of thousands, Ukraine will have to mobilize women, the only mobilization resource that Zelensky has not yet used.
    The planning of operations in Ukraine is carried out by the collective West, and therefore, by the way, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not focus on forcing the Dnieper in order to capture the entire Kherson region and blocking the land corridor to the Crimea, followed by an attack on the peninsula.
    This is because the mobilization potential of Ukraine to make up for the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is approaching that very exhaustion. By the way, therefore, Zelensky had a tantrum when Putin announced partial mobilization in Russia, because in Ukraine it was a shock, since it took endless mobilization to go on the offensive against the 135th group of the RF Armed Forces the male population of Ukraine for almost 7 months, and now the number of the Russian grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine will more than triple, thereby ignoring the superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was collected only after 7 months of the war.
    And in such conditions, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will carry out a raid on Belgorod, Bryansk, Kursk? or will it still focus on holding the front in Artemovsk and on trying to break through the defenses in the Zaporozhye direction and try to capture the ZNPP?
    1. +1
      28 November 2022 10: 35
      At the same time, the mobilization potential of Ukraine, even according to Ukrainian statistics, continues to melt before our eyes and in September the entire population of Ukraine was just over 27.5 million people, and before the start of the NWO there were 34.5 million people. million people of active age and will remain mostly pensioners, the elderly and the disabled.

      Everything is strictly the opposite. Women, old people and children leave, men of draft age are not allowed to travel abroad.
      1. +7
        28 November 2022 11: 39
        My friends from Burgas categorically disagree with you laughing
        Ride and ride, ride and ride ... (c)
        All cafes are packed to capacity (not local), almost like in the tourist season. And yes, almost everyone speaks Russian, very rare companies in Surzhik.
        1. -1
          28 November 2022 12: 01
          Of course the women go. Of men, only some categories.
          And yes, almost everyone speaks Russian

          and why did they conclude that they are from Ukraine? From what they speak Russian? Storytellers...
          1. +4
            28 November 2022 12: 12
            Of the slogans and references to Bandera, well, the accent is noticeable, but not for everyone.
            In general, the Bulgarians quite clearly separate the Ukrainians from us, you see, the tourist industry obliges.
            1. 0
              28 November 2022 12: 39
              From slogans and references to Bandera

              Well, yes, they are sitting talking in Russian in Bulgaria, and they only talk about Bandera, and even with an accent for some reason. No matter what you read these days.
              1. +2
                28 November 2022 14: 10
                Dosvidos, comrade, not my level.

                Comment text.
                1. +1
                  29 November 2022 13: 25
                  I had no doubts at first. OBS is another matter.
      2. +3
        28 November 2022 12: 15
        travel abroad is not allowed.
        For 3-5 thousand euros, the countrymen who faded earlier will throw you a route on how to stomp through the Carpathians, and at the border they will meet you with a car and take you to the refugee center Yes .
      3. 0
        29 November 2022 12: 02
        Quote from solar
        Everything is strictly the opposite. Women, old people and children leave, men of draft age are not allowed to travel abroad.


        I didn’t notice the crowds of old people in Europe in the form of grandfathers and grandmothers, accompanied by their grandchildren. But there are a lot of young men with their wives and children.
        And all because Ukrainian pensioners in the form of grandfathers and grandmothers are not threatened by mobilization from which they need to flee to another country, and even more so, in their old age, they will not run anywhere from their home.
        So, in Ukraine, the same grandparents, as well as young women with children (whose husbands are either in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or they are not, or hide from military registration and enlistment offices for months without going out into the street) are obtained.
        And if we take into account that in Ukraine, out of 34.5 million on the eve of the SVO, there were 20 million women, 10 million pensioners (those over 60) and more than 330 thousand children, then everything becomes even sadder with the mobilization potential of Ukraine.

        Quote from solar
        men of military age are not allowed to travel abroad.


        if you have been to Ukraine, then you cannot but know that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world and for money there any border becomes full of holes.
        Especially when life is at stake.
    2. +6
      28 November 2022 10: 59
      From a purely military point of view, an attack on Kursk or Bryansk is justified. First of all, this will divert large forces of the RF Armed Forces from other sectors (most likely we just have a veil on a contract there). And this is already an opportunity to effectively counterattack in other areas or a breakthrough to the Crimea. The second is that everyone is already used to the fact that we endlessly straighten the front and we can straighten it here too. Well, the political component is the final discrediting of the leadership of the Russian Federation and confirmation of its insolvency. And there how it goes.
      1. 0
        29 November 2022 12: 20
        Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
        From a purely military point of view, an attack on Kursk or Bryansk is justified. First of all, this will divert large forces of the RF Armed Forces from other sectors


        will not distract because the Russian troops have been pumping the troops of the border territories of all these regions for several weeks, if not a month.
        And it was not something out of the ordinary, as it was voiced by Putin, where he said that mobilization is needed to create a continuous front line and push the enemy troops to the operational depth in order to exclude shelling of Russian territories.
        Under such conditions, to arrange a raid even on the relatively close Belgorod (20 kilometers from the Ukrainian border) will be a gift from Russia, because it will help to quickly and effectively destroy many thousands of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in open areas and not incur losses by picking out the officers from residential buildings. And yes, the blitzkrieg of the Armed Forces of Ukraine it will no longer work because in all these areas several lines of defense have been created, some of which began to be erected as early as mid-May of this year.
  22. +6
    28 November 2022 10: 36
    Why should the Russian leadership spin a fake, waste resources on anti-tank ditches, if the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is impossible? Moreover, to instill fear in the locals. Apparently, ISW finds a certain logic in this.


    What kind of naivete or calculation for a naive audience, any head of the region will be both hands for such work, since you can write off a bunch of funds and resources, given that the “vertical” almost never surrenders or punishes its own, it’s just a “gold mine”.
  23. +12
    28 November 2022 10: 38
    For the 9th month of the NWO, the discussion went into the plane - what will the Armed Forces of Ukraine take first - Crimea, Belgorod or Millerovo? It's kind of surreal.
    It is necessary to add to each article what the same authors wrote in February for a better understanding of the situation.
    1. +1
      28 November 2022 10: 50
      Rather, that we will give faster, and not the Ukrainians will take.
      1. -2
        28 November 2022 12: 32
        Let's be honest, no one gives anything away just like that, so that they don't talk to the public about "good will."
        1. 0
          28 November 2022 19: 40
          Well then. Let's be honest - we'll exchange it for concessions or something else. What is the difference?
    2. +2
      28 November 2022 11: 39
      Quote from solar
      - what will the Armed Forces of Ukraine take first - Crimea, Belgorod or Millerovo?

      In the scenario of a smooth escalation - Crimea, then Tiraspol, then Minsk, then options are already possible on the "old" territory of the Russian Federation.
      Under the scenario of a sharp escalation - either a blow to the Volga, Volgograd / Volzhsky, to the border of Kazakhstan. Or Moscow, through Kursk, Bryansk and Orel.
  24. +8
    28 November 2022 10: 48
    Well, actually, what and who will prevent the Ukrainians from hitting Belgorod? They strike - we regroup. Delov something. Kherson was also considered a territory of the Russian Federation and nothing. If such a booze has gone, cut the last cucumber.
  25. 0
    28 November 2022 11: 51
    And throw tomatoes at me, but my opinion is that the Belgorod region is like a kind of lightning rod, for us it’s oh oh look what Ukrainians are doing, for Ukrainians it’s oh oh look at what we are capable of, and now we’ll go to Moscow
  26. +1
    28 November 2022 12: 12
    Quote from: topol717
    No one in their right mind will climb Belgorod.
    Are you firmly convinced of the "sane mind" of the outlying leaders?
    Quote from: topol717
    For in this case, Kyiv will immediately receive nuclear weapons through a bank account.
    Will you personally strike this blow? Until the nurses see?
    Quote from: topol717
    And no one in the Russian world will say anything about it.
    In the "world" they ALWAYS find something to say to Russia.
    Quote from: topol717
    Maybe ours are waiting for this?
    But no one will say this. Including because "ours" are there ... not quite our. And some, as practice has shown, and Absolutely not.
  27. +2
    28 November 2022 13: 23
    A large-scale offensive, of course, is not expected. But some kind of mini-raid (such as landing) is quite possible. According to the principle - they went in and out, regardless of the losses. The predicted result: another humiliating slap in the face of the Russian authorities, a corresponding loud PR in the media, a storm of indignation among the Russian common people, which will be distracted by another “regrouping”, or an action of “peacefulness” in the Donbass, or in the steppes of Tavria. And then - a decline to the new "Minsk" and "Istanbul", the other (in the context of ongoing events) is not visible.
  28. -3
    28 November 2022 14: 03
    The formation of special brigades of the Russian Armed Forces in the Belgorod and Bryansk regions can calm the desires of the Khokhlobanderites and pull off part of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from other sectors of the front. There is a reason for this. Something like this.
  29. 0
    28 November 2022 14: 17
    Quote: paul3390
    Interesting - does anyone else remember that the purpose of the special operation type originally declared by the guarantor was the protection of Donbass? what How did it happen that we are now seriously discussing the defense of Kursk and Belgorod? belay

    "However, during the journey
    The dog has grown...
    (c) Marshak
  30. -2
    28 November 2022 15: 46
    Reliable Western sources document 372 Ukrainian tanks destroyed, damaged, abandoned or captured. I'm talking about tanks because armored vehicles of different types are counted separately. The same sources warn that the numbers are clearly higher, as more tanks were destroyed without documentary evidence. This is undoubtedly good news, but the bad news is that Russian tanks are being captured due to the incompetence of some officers who should be executed. Perhaps the author of the article will be able to tell us about the number of captured Russian tanks. Well, a captured own tank is worse than a wrecked own tank.
  31. Ed
    -2
    28 November 2022 18: 39
    It would be interesting if the Armed Forces of Ukraine drove the inhabitants of Belgorod into captivity. Maybe then the Kremlin will come up with something better.
  32. +1
    28 November 2022 20: 37
    [Arestovich mode on] Attack on Belgorod with further advance on Voronezh, in parallel - landings on the left bank - from Kherson and from Nikopol. Further - from Kherson to the Crimea or along the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov to Taganrog with access to Rostov. From Nikopol - to Energodar, then - to Donetsk or closing ticks to Rostov. [Arestovich mode off] laughing
  33. Uno
    0
    28 November 2022 21: 20
    "Here you can agree with ISW"
    "Paying attention to the opinion of ISW is not worth it - this office works in close cooperation with Kyiv"

    thanks, it turns out an expert opinion in the "Analytics" section
  34. +2
    28 November 2022 21: 26
    And when will it be possible to alarm, when will there be a raid on Moscow, or maybe when on Chelyabinsk?
    1. 0
      30 November 2022 09: 17
      The main danger for the authorities of the Russian Federation is if in Kyiv or Langley they consider how much damage officials are causing to those working in the Russian Federation and strike at places where Russian corrupt officials, authors of laws and other personalities gather. Such a blow will lead to the defection of a large number of ordinary working residents of the Russian Federation to the side of the West, which will greatly undermine the propaganda capabilities of the Kremlin.
      But this will not happen, there is an insurmountable class difference between those working in the Russian Federation and those who make forecasts in the rest of the world. It is the estate arrogance of the West that is the only thing that prevents them from working for their popularity here.
  35. +1
    28 November 2022 21: 59
    what we have come to, we are already discussing whether they will cross the border or whether they don’t need it yet ... the realization of this fact is no longer acceptable for us, what awaits us further, only God knows.
  36. +3
    28 November 2022 22: 11
    Have we lived up to this? For me, who was born in the USSR and served in the Soviet Army, what is it like to read?
  37. +2
    28 November 2022 23: 20
    There may be a distraction on Belgorod. In order to force the Russian Federation to concentrate large forces there. Ukrainians will rush to the east. They need to go 120-140 km to the east and they will be at Rossosh, Voronezh region, where they cut the Moscow-Rostov railway and take the M-4 under fire. And hello 1st to our logistics, 2nd snickering metropolitan public will not be able to go south to the Christmas tree))))))
    Pragmatists rule there, and the solemn siege of Belgorod is a good media effect, but it is much more painful for the Russian Federation to lose the main artery Center - South.
    How Ukrainians will do it: from Kupyansk to Svatovo and Starobelsk - Chertkovo (Rostov region) or through Valuyki to Rossosh - this is secondary.
    1. 0
      29 November 2022 10: 07
      It's likely. For so much time, the APU could well have imperceptibly accumulated a strike group near Kharkov. Yes, easily.
  38. +4
    29 November 2022 08: 59
    The worst thing is that all these "gestures of good will", "Russia is open for negotiations" have a depressing effect on the personnel. The Wehrmacht is coming out, constantly putting pressure on the psyche of our guys, they say, no matter how many victims you bring, politicians in Moscow will hand you over for the sake of the selfish interests of the oligarchy. And how to fight in such conditions?
    The situation eerily resembles the situation in the Caucasus in 1994-1996, when all the successes of our army merged for the sake of the gesheft of the Berezovsky-Gusinsky-Khodorkovsky-Friedman-Avens. Today, the gesheft of Abramovich-Mordash-Potanin-Rothenberg is above all?
  39. 0
    29 November 2022 10: 02
    The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Kharkov region in the northern and eastern direction is not a fantasy. This is the most dangerous variant of the enemy's actions.
  40. -1
    29 November 2022 11: 18
    What surprises me personally: why are battles being fought "according to the rules" of the Great Patriotic War, with trenches, shelling and tank attacks, and the extremely modest use of aviation? Moreover, Russia now has an overwhelming superiority in aviation over Ukraine. Any Ukrainian offensive can be stopped by massive air raids, up to carpet bombing of the advancing ukrov. Layered raid with large forces, ranging from strategists to attack aircraft and turntables. And do not talk about the strong air defense of the Ukrainian troops - in the same way, Russian aviation can turn into trash all air defense systems that support the ukrov offensive. Only question remains...
  41. 0
    29 November 2022 14: 05
    "The West does not benefit from either a quick victory for Kyiv or a quick end to the conflict on the Kremlin's terms. The Americans see this as the long-awaited depletion of Russian resources and the destruction of statehood."

    It’s not true, everyone doesn’t care about our statehood, this is the reason for the broad masses "everything is easier - cheap energy resources and its subsoil are needed from Russia. - and the West gets it almost by force .. There is money laundering from our side (which poured 20 trillion into the Army without benefit, here the NWO will end with our victory and you will see - I’ll say we need another 20 trillion - see the war right now with drones \ and so on - give money.) as in the USA with Europe. shoals, debts, old equipment, loss of population, etc. there was nothing to pay for.So now the "incomprehensible war" is going on.
  42. 0
    29 November 2022 20: 14
    Yes, with such leaders like our construction superintendent and other peacekeepers from politics, why shouldn’t such an option happen. Look how real estate has fallen in price in Crimea, beauty. Maybe the capital of our Motherland will then be transferred to Kazan or Yekaterinburg or Novosibirsk. Good article. That's just bad luck and where the government will be evacuated.
    1. 0
      1 December 2022 18: 25
      How is it, where? Of course, for the warm seas, to where they acquired real estate. To countries where they have bank accounts that will allow a comfortable existence. Abroad, legal stay in which will allow their (in addition to Russian) citizenship (or citizenship) of foreign states. So, you don't have to worry about them. It is better to think about what is left for us to do?
  43. 0
    1 December 2022 14: 59
    The situation when you have to guess whether the enemy will attack or not is bad.
    The author decided to point his finger at the sky, and suddenly get into the right place. Will be proud to announce it. No, but who will remember this.
    they can afford to conduct special information operations, express their intentions, or vice versa
    The author decided to keep up with them, conducting his own special operation.
    When will the feeder for the likes close.
  44. 0
    3 December 2022 14: 18
    Nothing, Shoigu will have time to withdraw troops beyond the Eagle in order to avoid unnecessary casualties, they left the Russian territory in the Kherson region, why is Belgorod better?
  45. 0
    5 January 2023 17: 00
    The strategy of the war against Russia, launched by the coup in Ukraine, is to wear down and exhaust Russia and destroy it like the USSR. ALL forces are directed at such depletion, from military operations, in which Russia has finally been dragged into, to economic, political and false informational ones. The "Thousand Cuts" strategy is slower than active warfare, but no less effective in preserving US territory and its population. So, alas, almost everything since 2014 is according to plan, but ... USA.