How did you prepare for the first Chechen war in Russia? Nothing has changed in 28 years

On the channel "Digital story» 10 months ago, an excellent series of lectures on the first Chechen war began.

Then I missed it, but now I started listening and I'm just amazed how nothing has changed in 28 years.

Here is a short quote from a story about how a military operation in Chechnya was being prepared in XNUMX. And how obvious is the parallel with the beginning of the special operation.

The optimism in the Kremlin was simply amazing. The funny thing is that the forces of the Dudaevites were estimated even with a bust, that is, it was assumed there 30 people, an artillery regiment, tank regiment, but at the same time proceeded from the fact that in itself the psychological effect of bringing a crowd of equipment into Chechnya and people would be sufficient.

And the most surprising thing, and to be honest, I'm not sure how it can be explained at all, that this confidence was not shaken even by the story of the November assault of XNUMX.

Comments

[Bingo]

I don’t watch videos on principle, because “of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us” - this is for the illiterate. If there is something to say, the text is shorter, but it is easier to juggle words in a video and from the podium. Well, it's clear what it says. About hats.
So, guys, NOBODY expected such a development of events. Neither in the Russian Federation, nor in Ukraine, nor in the USA. Of the easily predictable, it was only that they would have to fight seriously for Marik and the fortifications near Donetsk - they had been building fortifications for 8 years, and in Marik there were stupidly more Wehrmacht than inhabitants, and everyone who could, in principle, be for Russia had left there corny for a long time. Those who did not leave were simply killed. I know the situation in that area very well, and I know it until the age of 14, and after that - not from other people's words.
But everything else is a surprise even for suckers and their curators. In general, they relied on the DRG, but the DRG just didn’t work, 8 years of training - down the drain, but suddenly it turned out not to lie down immediately in military battles.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Bingo

I don't watch vids

And I watch videos from the participants in the events on principle ... I don’t watch only Konashenkov and Zelensky ... a lot of blizzard comes from them.
But from the videos of those who shoot directly on the battlefield, you can learn a lot of real things.
About losses, about supplies, about motivation, about battle tactics, about new weapons or old junk, etc. etc.
Some details of the videos clearly highlight the advantages and disadvantages both on our part and on the part of the enemy.
I already said in one comment that war is an unpredictable thing ... it’s easy to get involved in it ... but finishing it according to your own scenario is the most difficult task ... the enemy always fights not according to a written script ... as we saw it in NWO.
Most of all, I was struck by the unpreparedness of our top generals for non-standard responses from the enemy ... like the generals graduated from the academy, but they don’t see or don’t want to see elementary things in the confrontation with the enemy.

[Bingo]

Quote: Lech from Android.

But from the videos of those who shoot directly on the battlefield, you can learn a lot of real things.

Nope. There is such a thing as an elephant radio, well, like a word of mouth, only a soldier's. And there is such a thing that the soldiers are shooting for the soldiers, the soldier will understand, but from the outside there will be one conclusion - we all go to waste, we will all die. I'll try to explain. Here you have some kind of profession, you and a colleague crossed paths and started gratering for life. What will you tell each other? A ruble for a hundred - "yes, you know what surprises - this is not enough, there is a jamb, and the chef does not blow his mustache, what they think - I don’t understand!" Well, isn't it? I’m telling you for sure, you won’t praise it, this is a natural reaction - there’s nothing to say about what is going right - it’s going as it should, and it’s going on, what can I say? But what is not as it should be - there is something to talk about. And everything is as it should be nowhere and never goes.

[Woodman]

Quote: Lech from Android.

the unpreparedness of our top generals for non-standard responses from the enemy ... like the generals graduated from the academy,

With all due respect, they are therefore "non-standard" because they are not studied in academies ...

[guest]

Yes, in our academies it seems that even the simplest things are no longer taught, such as the destruction of bridges and other ways of transporting equipment, ammunition and manpower of the enemy.

[nerovnayadoroga]

They cannot see and foresee, because, just as the academies finished, they also see for money, only money, they had to play lightning with the boys from the neighboring yard and beat on their fists in order for the brains to work, in Courchevels, damn, their brains are full of wine with the smell of perfume...

[tank64rus]

And what is left of these Academies and how teachers, together with students, roofed and taxed, in the 90s, like the White Guard at one time in Paris. Well, the last blow to military science and education was dealt by Serdyukov, not forgetting the mobilization system. Now and ask with whom everyone sits out who is where.

[insafufa]

I’ll say my 5 kopecks, now a couch fighter, a former trench fighter, the first company is a set of clichés in modern mass media. I read the articles of Yevgeny Norin not only looked at everything in them one-sidedly, patriotically and pathetically. The first company is a tangle of murky agreements of business interests and ambitions generously poured with blood on both sides. From the beginning they were armed, then they were surprised that they got it in the jaw. So the SVO is a continuous muddy story for us, but in fact everything turned out to be easier and simpler than the Russian same fighter and no better than the rest when he is not motivated when clear guidelines and answers to the questions of the fighters are not given when the goals of the SVO are not clear and they always speak from the podium that they have been achieved, and the NWO is on the way. A small lie gives rise to a big mistrust of everything said by the authorities.

[Nickelium]

You can't prepare for war. For example, 41 years old. No matter how much they prepared, they even had combat experience at Khalkhin Gol and Finland, and still boilers and terrible defeats. War is war. And you can't prepare for it. It is already during the war that you gain skills.

[Cartalon]

Write something else about the will of God and it will be great in general.
If you prepare for war, then you can prepare and you will create boilers, and not you, but if you smoke bamboo, then yes.

[Nickelium]

Well, it's easiest to pretend to be a sofa connoisseur. And throw you on the front line, you'll be shaking like a hare. Everyone on the internet is smart.

[Cartalon]

Do you write from the front line?
It's strange that you have nothing else to do there.

[Nickelium]

And you apparently answer from the trench? In between charging AGS?

[werwolf1981]

Well, I’m from the front line and didn’t shake like a hare .... There is always fear, but not panic ...

[Nickelium]

From the front line in Vladivostok? What is there to shake.

[insafufa]

Well, enlighten with which advanced you are. So from my experience I’ll say that there is always fear and before the start it is especially strong, but when the battle starts, it disappears somewhere until someone runs away with the words, everything is gone, the boss sparkling with slippers and often it was contract soldiers and police units, and when shouting to them Vasya where did you run in response to the dead money is useless. When you shout to your police comrades how your duty is to serve the people, he shouts I was not taught to fight and was not provided with everything necessary. Some went to serve because they don’t know how to do anything and can’t find a use for themselves, the latter are happy to work with the unarmed, especially when, according to the law, they can’t be touched so as not to thunder for 25 years with impunity and without risk, they are all ready to serve their homeland, but when necessary in response to their good and repay the debt to the motherland, then this is not the way fools die to them. This is a collective image of alarmists and cowards who are afraid for their own skins, people are ready to fight and die only if they know that their children will be supported by the state and in complete safety, and when the state tells you that it has nothing wrong with you and promises you not touch if you don't oppose it. And then he talks about duty and protection, while other officials of this state tell the parents of the deceased fighters that it doesn’t owe them anything and pasta is excellent food and offer to eat fly larvae, no one will fight for such a state. There should not be anyone on top of anyone. Here, cop representatives like to talk about how they defeated terrorism in Chechnya and are offended when they are called riffraff. So, gentlemen, prove how brave you are going to the front line, at worst, in the tal and put things in order, deal with the enemy’s DRGs that roam in the Tula near the Russian troops.

[Glory1974]

Here, cop representatives like to talk about how they defeated terrorism in Chechnya and are offended when they are called riffraff. So, gentlemen, prove how brave you are going to the front line, at worst, in the tal and put things in order, deal with the enemy’s DRGs that roam in the Tula near the Russian troops.

All the security forces, and the cops, and the Ministry of Defense must stand shoulder to shoulder. All the reasoning that someone is a coward just by the fact of being in "police units" is bullshit. After the first campaign in Chechnya, Dudayev's documents were made public, from which it became clear that they were paying money to journalists, among other things, to develop distrust and hatred of the military personnel of various departments for each other. The paratroopers were told that they were fighting bravely, while the VVs in the rear were engaged in looting, and vice versa.
So your story is just from this series, and this is part of the information war.

[insafufa]

The paratroopers were told that they fought bravely,

With all my disrespect for the Airborne Forces (because of the fountain and beating the faces of everyone who didn’t hit), when they are locked up, they fight.

and the VVs in the rear are engaged in looting

Well, it’s good that these comrades were disbanded, as they loved to trump with maroon berets in taverns and continue. As it became the National Guard, the inadequacies in their ranks immediately decreased, now very decent people.
In principle, I am against a purely professional army in the Russian Federation, the doctrine itself has shown its inconsistency. The trouble with trained personnel among junior officers. We need a reform in the education of sergeants in the Russian army. Even in the time of Stalin, sergeants for the most part were re-enlisted, they were the support of commanders in the field, the same is true in the imperial army.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Bingo

But what is not as it should be - there is something to talk about. And everything is as it should be nowhere and never goes.

I don’t want to be in a position where the enemy will kill me with impunity ... and I don’t want this to happen to our army either ... and when my ears and eyes are blurred about an unparalleled or invincible army, I know for sure expect trouble .. somewhere in our defense there is a hole or an Achilles' heel into which the enemy will inevitably strike.
In war, you can’t take anyone’s word for it ... you have your own head on your shoulders, life experience or intuition does not fail in a difficult situation.
When I see a video where the enemy drops grenades from a copter onto a defenseless soldier, I immediately think where are our unparalleled electronic warfare or drone guns that buzzed our ears on TV shows.
Why didn’t they provide him with protection, why didn’t they prepare the soldiers to counteract this dirty trick ... there are a lot of such why checks.
This is a commander's gap, and not as a soldier who heroically throws grenades away from himself, saving his life in a primitive way ... it is incomprehensible to the mind.

[Augustine]

but now ... just amazed how nothing has changed in 28 years.

Have we ever been ready for war in history? It was such that we prepared logistics, industry, troops, objectively assessed the enemy and, as a result, a crushing defeat of enemies with little labor, so to speak. Because of our mentality, our power always flies in the clouds and twists intrigues with Europe, and when a roasted rooster arrives, urgently, get up a huge country and people tear their veins. So then at least "women gave birth", but now we are in a deep demographic hole.

[Podvodnik]

. and now we are in a deep demographic hole.

It would be nice if in a hole. But it's not. We are not in a hole, but in a huge "priest" with the letter "g". And there is no progress, which is not even doubly insulting ....

[certero]

Quote from Bingo

I don’t watch videos on principle, because “of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us” - this is for the illiterate. If there is something to say, it turns out to be shorter in the text, but it is easier to juggle words in a video and from the podium. Well, it's clear what it says.

What snobbery you have. you probably don’t talk on the phone, but only communicate through messages through the messenger. And do not watch films, why should you let them write in text what is happening there. Do you also ignore pictures or is it still possible?

[Jcvai]

Do not exaggerate.
If a person knows how to read and write, plus appreciates time: text - that's it.
I myself prefer texts because:
1. Video blogs have been taught that more than half of the content in them is advertising sponsors and the announcer. Why should I watch the antics of what type of smart and handsome speaker on camera, if the essence of the transmitted information fits in the text in one paragraph. (To admire the beauty, you can turn on the weather forecast on TV;) )
Those. the preference for text with images, if necessary, illustrations, is only an indicator of literacy and respect for one's time, coupled with fatigue from the surrounding cheap clowns.
2. I perceive audio messages as “too lazy to type text” - accordingly, I listen last, if I have free time (unless, of course, it’s from relatives who know about the text and if they sent audio, it means something urgent, critical and important, when typing is simply not possible). Those. format - an indicator of literacy, time / opportunity and respectful relationships
3. It is often necessary to return to the received information, and it is much easier to do it in the text than in audio-video.

So I quite understand those who prefer texts, because I myself am like that.
But you have to live in the real world. Exaggerate, trying to offend the interlocutor ... so-so behavior, if this is not an open enemy.

[Woodman]

Quote: certero

What snobbery

And what about snobbery? He is right in his own way: this is still a print media.
Yes, and about

but now I started listening and I'm just amazed how nothing has changed in 28 years.

From almost 50 minutes of video, in addition to your quote about

The optimism in the Kremlin was simply amazing.

you can still more or less draw a two-minute episode about "Grad" next to "next to the object of the national economy."
"It won't be enough."
PS The video itself is interesting in principle, but obviously not as an example of what

nothing has changed in 28 years

.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Question on the video, how old were these experts at the time of the first Chechen war? I have serious doubts that any of them were there.

[certero]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Question on the video, how old were these experts at the time of the first Chechen war? I have serious doubts that any of them were there.

That is, if Alexei Isaev did not exist at all during the Great Patriotic War, they cannot be told to him either?
and there is nothing to talk about any war of 1812. Everyone should be silent since they were not personally present there

[vovochkarzhevsky]

That is, if Alexei Isaev did not exist at all during the Great Patriotic War, they cannot be told to him either?

Yes, it is better for him to be silent.
As for the first Chechen one, it is better to tell those who were there about it.

[certero]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote: certero

What snobbery

And what about snobbery? He is right in his own way: this is still a print media.
Yes, and about

but now I started listening and I'm just amazed how nothing has changed in 28 years.

From almost 50 minutes of video, in addition to your quote about

The optimism in the Kremlin was simply amazing.

you can still more or less draw a two-minute episode about "Grad" next to "next to the object of the national economy."
"It won't be enough."
PS The video itself is interesting in principle, but obviously not as an example of what

nothing has changed in 28 years

.

The video is one of the series about the Chechen war. And there, to a greater extent, not about military operations, but about the general situation.
And yes, nothing has changed once the decision was made to conduct a special operation on exactly the same grounds as in the first Chechen one. The enemy will see our countless hordes of tanks and get scared. And our leadership did not have a plan in case the enemy did not get scared. Exactly the same as in Chechnya.
Let's argue with you, how will the special operation end? I am convinced that the new Khasavyurt.
Exactly the same as then.
And everything will change when a new leader appears, as once Putin himself came and promised to "wet in the toilet"

[Woodman]

Quote: certero

The video is one of the cycle

Why then do we need a video if it has little relation to the article? Or vice versa.

Quote: certero

nothing has changed since they decided to conduct a special operation on exactly the same grounds as in the first Chechen one. The enemy will see our countless hordes of tanks and get scared. A plan in case

In both cases, these statements are nothing more than the conjectures of the authors. And no more.

Quote: certero

I am convinced that the new Khasavyurt.

Quote: certero

And everything will change when a new leader appears, as once Putin himself came

Under Putin, there was a second Chechen one. Not the first.

Quote: certero

I am convinced that the new Khasavyurt.

Under this concept it will be possible to attract anything. Can you suggest and voice any specifics about the conditions of the "new Khasavyurt"?
PS Why don't you use the "reply" function so that the other person receives a notification of your answer? You, judging by the regalia, are not the first year on the site and cannot but know this.

[certero]

Quote: Lesovik

PS Why don't you use the "reply" function so that the other person receives a notification of your answer? You, judging by the regalia, are not the first year on the site and cannot but know this.

you will laugh, but I had no idea that there was any difference between clicking on the "reply" button or just clicking on the "quote" button.
Thanks, now I know.
By the way, I don't receive any notifications. I just look at the bell at the top of the site to see if there are replies to my comments.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Who said that the management did not have a plan? It was there that the "sovereign people" worked according to plan. Namely, the conversion of soldier's blood into cash currency. The army only interfered every now and then, there were still too many Soviet officers, and even with combat experience.
So they, the poor fellows, had to excel. Intervene in tactical plans, thin out the grouping, and then generally mothball the situation.

[steelmaker]

, "how nothing has changed in 28 years."
The bad guys rule! That hasn't changed.

[certero]

Quote: Lesovik

Under Putin, there was a second Chechen one. Not the first.

That's it. There was a second Chechen under Putin when he acted as a bold and energetic leader.
And now he acts just like Yeltsin. Telling tales that "everything goes according to plan"

[Bogalex]

The cycle is extremely remarkable. Yevgeny Norin is a prominent specialist in the events of the Chechen campaigns, and Yegor Yakovlev is an excellent scientist who is fluent in the methodology of historical research. Their alloy could not give any other result than outstanding.

[certero]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote: Lech from Android.

the unpreparedness of our top generals for non-standard responses from the enemy ... like the generals graduated from the academy,

With all due respect, they are therefore "non-standard" because they are not studied in academies ...

What kind of non-standard things were done by the enemy? Adjustment of art by drones? So even in WWI from a balloon, it was used.
Attacks on drg communications?
Or what? What has the enemy army demonstrated that is not taught in academies or even in an ordinary combined arms school?
Maybe our general just needed to comply with the requirements of the charter to ensure combat protection of the movement of troops and supplies? Time to concentrate artillery tanks? Finally, have a backup plan in case the enemy doesn't get scared. And to concentrate the necessary outfit of forces and means to defeat it.
in other words, the generals should not have pissed but told the supreme that more forces were needed or not to start

[Glory1974]

What has the enemy army demonstrated that is not taught in academies or even in an ordinary combined arms school?

There is something that is not studied, for example, the construction of defense lines from concrete. That is, it is understood that the enemy is digging earthen structures, only individual firing points are made of concrete. Such a line of defense is easily destroyed by artillery. But if the trenches are concreted, even a close gap does not destroy the target.
The use of NATO means of reconnaissance and destruction in conjunction, such as Himarsy. Everyone thought that these were MLRS, and these were high-precision missiles capable of destroying a target reconnoitered from a satellite with an accuracy of 1 m. Theoretically, we seem to be able to do this, but in practice we used it with a known result. I’m not talking about drones, as well as about a communication system .
Plus, politicians intervened. Here, in aggregate, are the main factors that are not studied in academies.

[seacap]

Quote: Nickelium

Everyone on the internet is smart.

I would not argue so categorically, tb. the tone of the past and Crimea and Rym, often "theoretically". On this site, one might say specialized, many people comment and express THEIR opinion on the ESSENCE OF THE ARTICLE who have real combat experience, personally participated in the events described, have REAL state merits and awards earned with sweat and blood, in the truest sense of the word. And in a similar tone, please, communicate in various youth networks, tik-tok, etc., spread your fingers there, who is cooler and measure different organs. Here it is better to save everyone from verbiage, if there is nothing to say on the merits.

[citizen242]

We cannot prepare for the heating season and winter. They are insidious and always attack suddenly. And you are talking about preparing for war.

[glock-17]

The most dangerous tactic in planning military operations is to think and plan for the enemy. Yamamoto had a good plan in the Battle of Midway, with the expectation that the US fleet would act in accordance with his calculations. In the first Chechen war, Grachev stupidly introduced equipment into Grozny, hoping to frighten Dudayev. They didn't get scared and didn't run away. In the NWO, they stepped on the same rake.

[Moskal 55]

Again bullshit is already in the title! Has the scale changed? Changed order by two, at least! Were there any successes before this? Chechnya was pacified, Georgia was forced to peace, Crimea was returned, in the LDNR they brought up to 2 Minsk agreements, in Syria they very successfully helped the legitimate government. What is this, not success? And here they ran into a global mistake, because of which this fucking perestroika was staged. They wanted Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Like, they're all partners. And they were and remain enemies.
And all of us, one way or another, participated in the construction of our modern capitalist consumer society. That's a decent percentage of volunteers was only in Chechnya. And no one prepared for such a war. In general, we thought that we were either at war with NATO using nuclear weapons, or we were sorting it out with an expeditionary force. And here we are at war in many ways with NATO (weapons, intelligence, communications, instructors, entire units under the guise of PMCs), but officially with Ukraine. And we got into this not because nothing has changed in 28 years, but because we did not recognize that all this perestroika, driven by the desire to unite with the West, and subsequent events, were a tragic mistake. Those. we are not talking about the time since the beginning of the Chechen war, since that time just a lot has changed, but about the time since the late 80s, but for the "elites" and about a much earlier time. And until we abandon the idea of ​​partnership with the West...

[Gromovanton]

The homeland, as well as in life, a person sometimes lacks those same 10-30 years on a regular basis ...
Whether this is the fate of the country and its citizens, or whether the world is so invented ....

In general, the madness lies in the fact that we are dying out at 1 million a year, but in our media, in the Government, they talk about anything from chuckles about Biden to our statements of concern, but events on free mortgages outside million-plus cities for families with children from 3 or more is not and is not expected. Even in the countryside. Just as there were no places to work outside the cities of a million people in the Russian non-Black Earth region, there are still none. Millions are employed in the protection of stores, the sale of credit cards, communication services .... That is, they are deprived of goals, meanings and real prospects in life. Ask which of our citizens - what are our national goals? and how these goals relate to their well-being or how they participate in creating this future... Is there any confidence in today, not to mention a better tomorrow - well, apart from the optimism inherent in youth? .....

[flicker]

How did you prepare for the first Chechen war in Russia? Nothing has changed in 28 years

It is generally impossible to compare the first Chechen with the current one with NATO Ukraine. And even more so to conclude that nothing has changed.
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[t200404]

The whole point is that they were not preparing for war. I find it difficult to say when in general the army of the Russian Federation and the USSR (and not individual soldiers or units) were ready.