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Russian troops continue to storm Artyomovsk and increase the pressure on the enemy in Vugledar

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Russian troops continue to storm Artyomovsk and increase the pressure on the enemy in Vugledar

The main hostilities as of November 21 are unfolding in the Donbass. Yesterday, as Russian military correspondents reported, our artillery from the 4th brigade of the 2nd army corps destroyed the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine west of Lisichansk.


Fighting continued in the Ugledar and Artyomovsk directions. It was also restless in the Avdiivka direction: the best units of the People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic work here. Military correspondents, in particular, report on the work of the Sparta battalion in this sector of the front.

On the morning of November 21, the Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian troops were undertaking attacks in the Donbass. First of all, they took place in the Artemovsk direction (the Kyiv regime calls Artemovsk Bakhmut). According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russian troops attacked in the areas of Artemovsk, Belogorovka, Kurdyumovka, Marinka, Novomikhailovka, Pervomaisky, Podgorodny, Disputed, Stelmahovka and Yakovlevka.

Now the main task of our troops in the Donbass is to take control of two cities - Artemovsk and Ugledar. That night, the positions of Ukrainian militants in these cities came under heavy fire from Russian artillery. Russian troops significantly increased the pressure on the enemy in Ugledar after the liberation of Pavlovka.

The head of the Kyiv regime, Volodymyr Zelensky, was also forced to acknowledge the difficult situation in these areas in his evening address. He stated that the weather changes the course of hostilities, but the intensity of firing of the RF Armed Forces remains high.

At the same time, Russian troops are confidently holding the line in the Kupyansky, Limansky, Zaporozhye and Novopavlovsky directions. Positional battles of low intensity are observed in the area of ​​the Kherson and Krivoy Rog directions. It should be noted that the enemy has not yet shown a high degree of activity here, which is explained both by weather conditions and a certain exhaustion of Ukrainian formations.

Ukrainian sources also predict a further transfer of troops from the Kherson direction to the Lugansk People's Republic and the Zaporozhye region. It is here that further offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are expected, judging by the ambitious statements of various representatives of the Kyiv regime, including those with hints about Crimea. The Russian military command has not yet reported on any plans or actions for the transfer of troops, so the information from our side is only in the nature of forecasts.

Special attention should be paid to the actions of Russian troops concentrated in Belarus. According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine on November 21, Russian troops in Belarus were not preparing for an offensive operation on the territory of Ukraine. The authorities of Belarus have also previously repeatedly stressed that the Belarusian armed forces are not going to participate in hostilities, as well as the Russian troops stationed on its territory. However, maybe it's just not the right time for this...
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  1. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 21 November 2022 09: 56
    +16
    What month does the assault on Artemovsk continue?
    1. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 21 November 2022 10: 21
      -3
      Quote: UAZ 452
      What month does the assault on Artemovsk continue?

      Yes, more than half a year...
      However, there is a nuance here.
      The Khokhls have already lost several hundred thousand killed, wounded, captured and missing.
      The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Nenki formed a request to the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the whereabouts of more than 350 thousand "warriors of light" with whom contact was lost more than three months ago.
      Well, if they are in captivity. But something tells me that most of them drink tea with Bandera.
      In some sectors of the front, the "dill" units consist exclusively of foreigners - Psheks, Britons, Pindos and other trash. Forelock sharovarniks end.
      Under such conditions, the moment will inevitably come when the offensive, and even the defensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will run out. The spring will burst, it cannot be twisted indefinitely, and the mechanism will crumble.
      Patience, friends! yes
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 21 November 2022 10: 28
        +11
        And the defense is being held and apparently the dead are advancing with such and such losses.
        1. Paul Siebert
          Paul Siebert 21 November 2022 10: 34
          -5
          Quote: Kronos
          And the defense is being held and apparently the dead are advancing with such and such losses.

          Kronos, I wrote "end", not "end".
          Patience, patience, my friend.
          Only cats will be born quickly. yes
        2. Normann
          Normann 21 November 2022 11: 45
          +4
          So they revive, and then kill again, the statistics are like that.
      2. filibuster
        filibuster 21 November 2022 10: 31
        +15
        In some sectors of the front, the "dill" units consist exclusively of foreigners - Psheks, Britons, Pindos and other trash. Forelock sharovarniks end.



        It is strange that there were no captured foreigners, there were two or three from Mariupol and those Abramovich took away, and there were no dead either, again there was a muddy video in the sense that there were some bodies of those killed near the armored car and voice-over that they were Poles.
        You should not deceive yourself, there are not many mercenaries there, the bulk of them are Ukrainians and the losses are most likely comparable on the sides, mobilization was not announced from a good life.
        1. Drotro
          Drotro 21 November 2022 10: 44
          -1
          People who returned from there spoke (they were near Kherson).
          And already a month and a half ago - Poles, Romanians. Who is not there.
          And why there are few prisoners, history is silent.
          1. petroglyph
            petroglyph 21 November 2022 11: 34
            +2
            And why are other prisoners tsy ?? For an exchange? So it seems that the Ukrainians do not have Syrians, Koreans in captivity, but there is no point in changing to others. Yes, and after the exchange of Azov, somehow many lost their desire to take at all
            1. Drotro
              Drotro 21 November 2022 11: 44
              +4
              This aspect was also voiced that they try to take only ordinary warriors as prisoners.
              Stubborn, mercenaries, if possible, do not take.
        2. Bully
          Bully 21 November 2022 14: 47
          -1
          the losses are most likely comparable for the parties, mobilization was not announced from a good life

          If this is so, then it is obvious that there is a deliberate destruction of the ground forces of the RF Armed Forces.
        3. Silver Fox
          Silver Fox 21 November 2022 17: 34
          0
          why take them prisoner? so that Abromovich then took them out on his personal plane?
        4. mitroha
          mitroha 21 November 2022 20: 14
          0
          Quote from: filibuster
          there are not many mercenaries,

          Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't exist!
          https://lostarmour.info/mercenaries
          These are only confirmed with photo and video fixation
          And in the Kharkov region, only a lazy person from the LBS did not write that there were almost fewer Ukrainians than Poles and other mercenaries.
      3. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 21 November 2022 10: 39
        +7
        Quote: Paul Siebert
        However, there is a nuance here.
        The Khokhls have already lost several hundred thousand killed, wounded, captured and missing.

        if you are talking about the old paradigm of "grinding" and this is the role of Artemovsk, then why storm it? the old ones ran out, the new ones are "begged" remotely, etc. during the assault, our losses should be at least no less than they should be .. does not fit into your logic ..
        or in the article the word "storm" is not the topic.
        1. Paul Siebert
          Paul Siebert 21 November 2022 11: 11
          -7
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          or in the article the word "storm" is not the topic.

          We're not there, Counselor.
          Everything is possible.
          I can't read Surovikin's thoughts remotely.
          However, the following dynamics can be traced. We are remotely grinding xoxlov on the line of contact. And we are hammering with missiles and "Geranium-2" on infrastructure 404.
          Zely's office is already calling on the hulks to spend the winter in Europe. To save energy.
          In two or three weeks they will be pedaling to charge their smartphones.
          And Santa Claus will not come to them on the Christmas tree. Get lost in the dark.
          And our warriors at the front will entertain. Daily fireworks. wink
          1. Drotro
            Drotro 21 November 2022 11: 49
            0
            It's bad that "the whole world" is with them.
            All sorts of Spain and others like them wanted to supply powerful generators.
            The West is clearly on the side of Ukraine and is trying with all its might to support a country that has been subjected to "unreasonable aggression."

            And we only learn from British intelligence data that Russia is planning to mass-produce Iranian drones, as well as increase mutual arms deliveries. And they plan to increase their production.

            And for the most part, the situation is negative for us, although somewhere there is a small positive. (That Ukraine is not advancing everywhere.)
      4. Ser Vak
        Ser Vak 21 November 2022 10: 45
        +6
        Aren't you tired of writing 9 months about ending Ukrainians? The manual has long been rotten
        1. Paul Siebert
          Paul Siebert 21 November 2022 11: 14
          -8
          Quote from Ser Vak
          Aren't you tired of writing 9 months about ending Ukrainians? The manual has long been rotten

          Seryoga, I guessed. Rotten!
          But you had to give birth to another in 9 months!
          Share ... wink
      5. topol717
        topol717 21 November 2022 10: 50
        +7
        Quote: Paul Siebert
        350 thousand "warriors of light"

        Quote: Paul Siebert
        The spring will burst, it cannot be twisted indefinitely, and the mechanism will crumble.

        As far as I remember, a fresh million mobilized there are currently undergoing training, it has come to the point that there are not enough places for all the mobilized, and because of this, training centers have even been opened in Bulgaria.
        So in a month or two, this spring will press even harder, and our snot is chewing again, and then again they will suddenly find the enemy's superiority in manpower by 4-5 times.
        1. Paul Siebert
          Paul Siebert 21 November 2022 11: 25
          -9
          Quote from: topol717
          As far as I remember, there is a fresh million mobilized currently being trained

          The problem is not how much to call - they will be able to send 4 million to the front.
          The problem is how to arm this crowd.
          What to wear, put on.
          What to feed and how to warm in the winter trenches.
          The possibilities of the West are also not unlimited.
          It will be cold in Europe in December. Below zero. And energy prices will skyrocket.
          The governments of the EU countries are already breathing their last.
          Will Scholz and Macron pull through an internal confrontation with their own people?
          1. topol717
            topol717 21 November 2022 14: 19
            +3
            Quote: Paul Siebert
            What to wear, put on.
            What to feed and how to warm in the winter trenches.

            All of Europe not only shoes and clothes them, it also feeds the whole of Ukraine now, receiving grain in return.
            And all NATO countries have no problems providing an army of 1 million people, as they wrote below, the USA + Europe + Japan is more than 1 billion inhabitants. there is no problem for them to provide an army of 1 million people.
            And you watch more TV on the issue of how bad it is in Germany and France.
            We would like to solve our problems
          2. Anton Boldakov
            Anton Boldakov 21 November 2022 20: 52
            0
            Pull of course, what's the question? They wrote right there. that Germany created special squads to deal with rioters and protesters (greetings from the SA and Ernst Röhm) - and even the Americans from NATO bases throughout Germany can pull up - so don’t count on popular unrest.
        2. dementor873
          dementor873 21 November 2022 13: 52
          +1
          The feeling that the government sees how delighted the people are with mobilization in the most worthless performance. What will happen when all the mobilized will be thrown to the front and then 200 will go in hundreds, given this level of training, God only knows. It’s not that they’re starting to carry out the 2nd wave, but they’re raising the National Guard in a gun in order to protect themselves from the people’s wrath.
      6. single-n
        single-n 21 November 2022 12: 11
        +6
        В
        The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Nenki formed a request to the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the whereabouts of more than 350 thousand "warriors of light" with whom contact was lost more than three months ago.

        What is more official? Shoigu claimed 100K and killed and wounded at the end of September. Have we threshed more in 2 months than in the previous 7?
        And why is the appearance of mercenaries at the front from a bunch of countries better for us than the crowds of yesterday's podpivkovichs caught on mobilization? The fact that mercenaries will be better equipped and trained? The population of the EU ONLY is almost 500 million + USA, Australia, Japan, Korea, Canada. This is approximately 1 billion + recruitment of mercenaries around the world. They can pick up a couple more lyams. they just need time. In the meantime, we will finally (although I'm not sure) capture Avdiivka.
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 21 November 2022 10: 23
      +3
      UAZ 452 hi, for a long time, three months if not more, as in the reports, it began to flicker.
    3. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 21 November 2022 11: 05
      -1
      You have the opportunity to accelerate this event.
    4. SlavaS
      SlavaS 21 November 2022 14: 40
      +3
      Ugledar, Artyomovsk, this is so that there is something to write about, otherwise there are simply no movements. For reference, Pavlovka and Ugledar can be walked through in 1 hour on foot, Bakhmut - Artyomovsk in 1,5 hours, there is no movement there, the maximum front line passes through them.
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 21 November 2022 10: 02
    +5
    All Quiet on the Western Front.
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 21 November 2022 10: 14
    +11
    During the hostilities, the Russian army did not create a single full boiler, squeezing into the forehead, what is it all about, maybe the generals have never heard of cannes, they smoked all the textbooks or something
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 21 November 2022 10: 27
      +4
      Ryaruav hi, it’s unlikely, I’m talking about textbooks, the generals fight with what they have, and if the forces of the personnel are not enough for girth and cutting blows, then they won’t inflict them, not by anyone. Plus, do not forget about POLITICS, it interferes too often along the way.
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 21 November 2022 11: 00
        +2
        Murmur, if there is no strength for coverage, then where do they come from for frontal attacks
        1. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 21 November 2022 11: 19
          +2
          Ryaruav, NUMBER of troops for coverage and cutting blows, and for a frontal attack, you need different things. And for the first option, you need many times more.
    2. Alexander_Snegirev
      Alexander_Snegirev 21 November 2022 10: 44
      -8
      Quote: Ryaruav
      During the fighting, the Russian army did not create a single full boiler

      The boiler was in Mariupol. It was enough. Now they surround and give the opportunity to leave along one road, as in Lisichansk.
      1. Rosemary
        Rosemary 21 November 2022 12: 25
        -1
        Quote: Alexander_Snegirev
        Quote: Ryaruav
        During the fighting, the Russian army did not create a single full boiler

        The boiler was in Mariupol. It was enough.

        The siege of the city, this is not a cauldron. No one calls the siege of Troy the "Trojan Cauldron".
        1. Alexander_Snegirev
          Alexander_Snegirev 21 November 2022 12: 31
          -2
          Quote: Rosemary
          No one calls the siege of Troy the "Trojan Cauldron".

          The siege of Troy went on for 10 years. The great Homer described this decade in his immortal Iliad. It's definitely not a boiler.
      2. single-n
        single-n 21 November 2022 13: 49
        +5
        The boiler was in Mariupol. It was enough. Now they surround and give the opportunity to leave along one road, as in Lisichansk.

        Mariupol is a disgrace to military science and not a cauldron. 2 months of the siege of the PLANT.! With absolute dominance in both artillery and aviation. In the absence of supply problems.
        But on the other hand, the author of the May decrees was able to promote on the topic of philanthropy and show that he kind of protects people. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine have mobilized tens of thousands during this time, and now thousands of our soldiers are paying with their lives for the sake of the factory.
        It's like with the population of Ukraine. In April, we here on all channels proved that it was impossible to bomb the plant. There you just think about it - 200 !!!!! civil.. /
        And now they have gouged 50% of the country's energy system, putting tens of millions on the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe. And joyfully scream on all channels. "Let the Ukrainians freeze!!"
        Or maybe it was necessary not to shake the lips and draw lines, but to act clearly and firmly in March-April?
    3. abc_alex
      abc_alex 21 November 2022 12: 09
      -6
      Quote: Ryaruav
      the Russian army has not created a single complete boiler


      For the Ukrainians to again drive the civilian population into these boilers and hide behind them like a human shield? In my opinion, the experience of the first months should have taught everyone at least something. Not?
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 November 2022 10: 15
    -2
    I see we have a lot of critics and no one paid attention that this is the first modern war in new realities. Everyone came to war, from the last war. There is another option, the whole world is in ruins, but somehow no one wants this and our Chief too.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 21 November 2022 10: 30
      +11
      Well, Ukraine has a modern army with the active use of drones and various new equipment + competent interaction, and Russia really came to the war at the level of the 20th century.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 November 2022 10: 33
        -4
        This is there and you can’t get away from it, you’ll have to retrain. As far as I remember, according to the GSVG, there are two plans A and B. But in both plans, a vigorous loaf was present from the very beginning. Nothing has changed during this time. Western hysteria about tactical nuclear weapons. Because they have the same military plans. But we didn’t succeed with a swoop. The help of the West is still effective.
    2. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 21 November 2022 10: 30
      0
      Paul Siebert hi, it doesn’t work out, you noticed correctly about the spring, only the Ukrainians will simply “replace” the old spring and you will have to wait for a new one.
    3. avg
      avg 21 November 2022 10: 56
      -1
      I see a lot of critics...

      We don't just have a lot of critics. Moreover, everyone teaches generals how to teach a soldier critics do not know. Critics do not know that the pocket must also have an outer perimeter, that forces are needed for cutting blows, that a reserve is needed to repel deblocking blows, but everyone wants to arrange boilers with forces three to four times smaller than those of the enemy. They are taught to maneuver, but they do not pay attention to such a trifle as the satellite constellation of the entire NATO and all technical intelligence from the adjacent territory. The army fights in the same way that the people, the state gave it. He fights and does not grumble while the country is discussing how to celebrate the New Year.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 November 2022 11: 11
        -1
        I fully support your opinion. I myself was brought up on flank coverage. What needs to be invented new in tactics. So far, nothing new has been drawn.
      2. single-n
        single-n 21 November 2022 14: 03
        +1
        Yeah. Our army is holy.
        Moscow. The 14th of February. INTERFAX.RU - The Moscow Garrison Military Court (MGVS) sentenced the former head of the communications planning department of the Main Directorate of Communications of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Alexander Ogloblin to 4,5 years in a penal colony for particularly large-scale fraud, an Interfax correspondent reported. According to investigators, Arslanov is involved to the theft of 191,4 million rubles. and at least 6,5 billion rubles. when concluding a state contract for the performance of work on maintenance and repair of special military equipment of the Armed Forces.
        The investigation also established that the officer received a bribe of 12 million rubles. for actions in favor of the Yaroslavl Radio Plant.
        And then they want and are surprised. Why is communication so bad in the army.
        And First-aid kits in which there is no nefig, who accepted and implemented it?
        By the way, did you find those 1,5 sets of uniforms? Or mobiki themselves skebe will buy everything and God bless him.? Can you give more examples of such "saints" of the military?
        By the decision of the Basmanny Court of Moscow, Fyodor Dyulger, the former deputy head of one of the departments of the Ministry of Defense for supply, was found guilty of accepting a bribe on an especially large scale.
        a criminal case was opened against the former head of the food department of the Ministry of Defense Alexander Berezhny. He is accused of receiving a record bribe for the department in the amount of 30 million rubles.
        The Moscow Basmanny Court has sentenced Aleksey Pozhidaev, a former officer of the Food Administration of the Department of Resource Support of the Russian Defense Ministry, who was convicted of a record bribe. He received three years and three months in prison. The ex-officer also has to compensate the Ministry of Defense for damages of 650 million rubles.

        There are tens of billions of damage in 5 cases. And then suddenly we have nothing to fight with and we can’t.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 21 November 2022 14: 29
          -1
          What interesting conclusions do you have! Katz offers to give up or should I not start? And immediately choose shame.
          1. single-n
            single-n 21 November 2022 14: 37
            0
            Will he find at least one call to surrender in my post?
            You just don't need to try to find the last one now. This is where the whole system is screwed up. and the military is no less guilty than the Foreign Ministry or the Central Bank. Some money was withdrawn from the country instead of development, other budgets were happily sawed, still others, instead of looking for allies and competent agreements, drew lines and expressed concerns. SK instead of catching thieves excited. And the supreme one throws his hands for non-execution of decrees, instead of demonstrative landings with confiscation.
            And we chose the shame in 2014. And now, according to the expression, we waited for the war.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 21 November 2022 14: 39
              0
              We can’t fight with anything. Your words.
              1. single-n
                single-n 21 November 2022 14: 54
                0
                This is a statement of fact. And what about the call?
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 21 November 2022 14: 58
                  +1
                  There is only one fact, that at times we sent the enemy on a date to Bandera.
                  1. single-n
                    single-n 21 November 2022 15: 17
                    +1
                    Let's see how and when it all ends. So far, from a small and fast war game, this is developing into an all-out war of attrition. And the transition to nuclear weapons strikes is not so fantastic.
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 21 November 2022 15: 20
                      0
                      Ukraine is not our main goal, our main goal is our security. That is, the problem is NATO. Nothing will end with Ukraine.
    4. dementor873
      dementor873 21 November 2022 13: 54
      +5
      The country has long turned into a corporation of beautiful reports from the bottom to the top. Everyone gets bonuses, everyone is happy.
  5. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 21 November 2022 10: 19
    +5
    There are no changes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cling and fight for every barn, ours are advancing, everyone is waiting for something, preparing for something. Here we'll see.
    1. filibuster
      filibuster 21 November 2022 10: 27
      +14
      There are no changes, the APU cling and fight for every shed,


      The motivation is different, Ukrainian soldiers will say exactly what they are fighting for from their point of view, their country was attacked for them, this is a Patriotic war, we don’t have soldiers, even the president, and he cannot name the goals for which he started the NWO.
      1. Murmur 55
        Murmur 55 21 November 2022 10: 37
        +1
        filibuster hi, the goals on our part were clear and understandable at the beginning of the NWO. But what then began, you can’t describe in words, and now, if they mention it in passing, like don’t worry, all the goals of the NWO will be achieved, the operation will be stopped upon completion of all goals, but didn’t the goals change by the hour?
        1. Drotro
          Drotro 21 November 2022 10: 46
          +8
          This is the point - no one knows the goals)
          But one thing is achieved - the Slavs are dying. And I don't think anyone will argue with that.
          1. SlavaS
            SlavaS 21 November 2022 14: 51
            -1
            The helmsman cannot say which country he is building, because. and does not build anything, but wants to apparently integrate into the west, but in order to give him a warmer place, he arranged a bargain on the outskirts.
      2. Vic Vic
        Vic Vic 21 November 2022 10: 41
        -4
        What does "the president ... cannot name the goals ... NWO" mean?
        The president of the purpose named repeatedly. Another thing is that the goals are not met
        1. tatra
          tatra 21 November 2022 11: 16
          +10
          If we "translate" Putin's denazification and demilitarization, then he wanted to take ALL Ukraine, overthrow Zelensky, and put his puppet Yanukovych, Medvedchuk, or someone else in his place, and install his own System in Ukraine, which for Russia and the Russian people is nothing useful did .
          1. Vic Vic
            Vic Vic 21 November 2022 11: 42
            -1
            It is quite possible, only the goals were named anyway, even if they were, so the statement that the president cannot name the goals is incorrect.
            1. single-n
              single-n 21 November 2022 14: 08
              +1
              What is denazification and demilitarization? Can you explain? Or what do we consider to be the elimination of the threat to the security of the country?
              I, too, can declare the goal, for example, of robbery: - "correction of distortions in the system of movement of material values ​​through direct grassroots impact on an object of disproportionate concentration in favor of property alternatively capable of concentration. Within the framework of the current paradigm of the financial and economic model"
              1. Vic Vic
                Vic Vic 21 November 2022 14: 49
                -3
                By asking your question, you apparently express your disagreement with the goals of the NWO. To me personally, the stated goals are quite understandable, and from my point of view, the very fact of holding a JWO is quite justified and even necessary.
                Your example of a robbery within the current paradigm is just a funny verbiage, suitable for some Comedy club.
                Here is a simpler example for you. It was unacceptable to tolerate a rabid dog any longer at one's doorstep.
                1. single-n
                  single-n 21 November 2022 15: 05
                  +2
                  And what are we going to do with this dog?
                  1. Let's put an ultrasonic repeller?
                  2. Shall we set a trap?
                  3. Shoot from a gun?
                  4. Shall we beat with a stick so that she herself runs away?
                  5. Shall we call the veterinarians/dog-catchers and let her be taken away/euthanized?
                  6. Let's go beat the owner's face and let him clean it himself?
                  7. Shall we build a fence?
                  8. We will move to another area.?
                  9 Will he spread poison around and let him poison himself?
                  10. Lock ourselves in the house and wait until she leaves / dies?
                  The simplest task and 10 options for action.
                  That is why I am asking what is denazification and demilitarization within the framework of the NWO. What are the key criteria by which we will determine whether we have reached the goal or not?
                  Have you read the statute? What does it say about issuing orders?

                  article 41 ... The order is formulated clearly, concisely and clearly without the use of wording that allows for various interpretations.
                  42. The commander (chief), before issuing an order, is obliged to comprehensively assess the situation and provide for measures to ensure its implementation.


                  Here the SUPREME COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, by the way, takes the order of the army. Yes, throughout the country. And what does he give her? A fight for all the good against all the bad?
                  1. Vic Vic
                    Vic Vic 21 November 2022 15: 27
                    -2
                    In fact, the decoding of the goals of the NWO has already been voiced many times. Deprive the outskirts of the modern army, deprive the current ideology.
                    And the army can receive orders to occupy / clear / hold this or that territory. And for the army, for sure, there were corresponding orders, and not to carry out demilitarization.
                    Of course, if, as during the Second World War, there was a slogan (in principle, it is also the goal) - "Let's get the fascist reptile in its own lair!", Then it would be more specific. Much did not go according to plan (although we do not know those plans and may never know, we only assume), therefore, questions arose about the goals of the NWO. If the NWO had developed as we wanted, then questions about the goals would not have arisen. Demilitarization, denazification, these are understandable things, questions arose about how to do this, why it doesn’t work well and what they thought about before the start of the NWO ...
                    1. Kronos
                      Kronos 21 November 2022 17: 19
                      -2
                      These are abstract slogans that not only are not implemented, but on the contrary, everything happens. Ukraine is getting new modern weapons, the ideology of hatred for Russia is only getting stronger as the war grows fiercer.
                      1. Vic Vic
                        Vic Vic 21 November 2022 17: 46
                        -3
                        These are not slogans, but goals that are really not being fulfilled.
                        And how did you generally assume, at the expense of cocrecy? What, speaking, for example, about the desilitarization of the outskirts, will the dates of the destruction / disarmament / dissolution of certain specific enemy military units and the date of the end of the entire event be named? Probably, in the plans of the General Staff, there was or is something like that. For wide access, no one had and cannot be.
                        Give an example, either from history or your own, of how this could be presented to citizens
      3. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 November 2022 10: 43
        0
        Propaganda in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is effective: After the words, the Russians do not take prisoners, do you just think these executions of ours are on video? Regrettably, this is to motivate the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the front line.
      4. Ser Vak
        Ser Vak 21 November 2022 10: 48
        +2
        Say counter-revolutionary things, some urapatriots are sure that Ukrainians are dying, only for Zelensky and Amers. And we open their eyes
      5. topol717
        topol717 21 November 2022 10: 58
        +4
        Goals announced
        1. Liberation of Donbass, cessation of constant shelling.
        2. Demilitarization of Ukraine (but for now we see the reverse process, because NATO is pumping Ukraine with weapons)
        3. Denazification of Ukraine. (but while the Nazis are being released from captivity ????)

        There are goals and they are clear. Why do we allow Kyiv to be pumped with weapons??? this is a question for Lavrov.
        And he only mozhnt that denote concern. At first, they (NATO countries) were afraid to piss, but then they realized that the GDP had nothing, and they would not use strategic weapons, well, they got bolder. At first, only helmets and armor were supplied little by little, then they began to teach fighters, and now I’m generally silent about open long-range MLRS, and the rest of the spectrum.
        But Lavrov is like that, he shows concern.
        1. single-n
          single-n 21 November 2022 14: 14
          +1
          Yeah. The fact that the military besieged the plant for 2 months was the head of the Foreign Ministry. guilty. And denazification is what and how? Nazism is the idea of ​​the superiority of one nation/race over another. Isn't that what we are constantly told? We are Russians, everything rests on us, we are the smartest / bravest / stubborn. We get the first candidate for denazification (though already dead) is Zadornov.
          Or do we want / wanted to destroy the Ukrainian nation? But as? Physically or just cross off the lists. Well, there is no such nation. Like elves or Jedi. And if not, where can I hear/read about it?
      6. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 21 November 2022 11: 07
        -1
        tsipsoshnik apparently did not listen to anything. Didn't see or hear anything at all, apparently deaf-blind-mute.
      7. Normann
        Normann 21 November 2022 11: 47
        0
        And the destroyed residential areas from the strikes of the MLRS and artillery are not an incentive.
      8. abc_alex
        abc_alex 21 November 2022 12: 19
        -3
        Quote from: filibuster
        There are no changes, the APU cling and fight for every shed,


        The motivation is different, Ukrainian soldiers will say exactly what they are fighting for from their point of view, their country was attacked for them, this is a Patriotic war, we don’t have soldiers, even the president, and he cannot name the goals for which he started the NWO.


        For whom is it domestic? Volunteers go to the Patriotic War. And from Ukraine, the population has been fleeing in hundreds of thousands for the past 30 years. You are less likely to succumb to enemy propaganda :)
        From our side, the goals are clear. They are simply voiced at a strategic level. And everyone is free at the tactical level to understand them as he wants. But demilitarization means bringing Ukraine to a state where no military danger to Russia comes from its territory and cannot come from it. Denazification-means the elimination of the political regime of the nationalists.

        More specifically, no one will announce anything. In modern conditions, it is extremely difficult to hide the intentions of the warring parties, there is no need to simplify the task of the enemy.
        1. filibuster
          filibuster 21 November 2022 13: 12
          +3
          For whom is it domestic? Volunteers go to the Patriotic War. And from Ukraine, the population has been fleeing in hundreds of thousands for the past 30 years. You are less likely to succumb to enemy propaganda :)


          I don’t listen to anyone’s propaganda, I look at reports from the front and you can see who is fighting for every piece of land, and who is regrouping.

          We have those who left, if the FSB and RBC do not deceive:

          The number of departures of Russians to neighboring countries in the third quarter of 2022 broke a five-year record, RBC reports on November 5, citing data from the Federal Security Service. In total, 9,7 million citizens crossed the border during this period.


          From our side, the goals are clear.

          The goals are clear if the soldier clearly answers himself the question of what I'm doing here.
  6. Ser Vak
    Ser Vak 21 November 2022 10: 54
    0
    Marochko: The Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artyomovsk and Soledar switched from the offensive to the defensive. Here's how to give bravura news, it turns out it's not us for almost half a year, but the Ukrainians were advancing near Artyomovsk
    1. dementor873
      dementor873 21 November 2022 13: 57
      0
      Our news cannot be correctly submitted, but you want the troops to be controlled like Kutuzov.
  7. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 21 November 2022 12: 01
    +4
    After 9 months of NVO, the Russian command cannot offer any other solutions, except for the continuation of frontal attacks of the prepared defense of the numerically superior enemy in the same areas. The result is a little predictable.
    However, I don't think it's due to misunderstanding. It's just that the current level of communications, logistics and tactical training of officers does not allow for successful maneuvering operations.
  8. abc_alex
    abc_alex 21 November 2022 12: 21
    0
    Quote from Ser Vak
    Marochko: The Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artyomovsk and Soledar switched from the offensive to the defensive. Here's how to give bravura news, it turns out it's not us for almost half a year, but the Ukrainians were advancing near Artyomovsk


    So it's the same and d and paternal supply. Nobody will believe in this.
  9. Fangaro
    Fangaro 21 November 2022 21: 13
    -1
    Quote from Drotro
    This aspect was also voiced that they try to take only ordinary warriors as prisoners.
    Stubborn, mercenaries, if possible, do not take.


    How can you tell an ordinary enemy soldier from a stoned one?
    The mercenary speaks another language. Okay, but not really.
    But how to distinguish the one who, according to his, Ukrainian charter, is fighting from the one who prayed to Bendery and wanted to destroy everyone who speaks Russian? They are indistinguishable.
    If only the one who fights "such a job" did not kill anyone himself. Only then is it a rear, some kind.
    And "kill everyone, the Lord knows his own" is also not acceptable.
    How to separate enemy soldiers from enemy criminals?
    1582
  10. Vojvoda
    Vojvoda 22 November 2022 02: 34
    0
    Without weapons of mass destruction, nothing will work ...