The US press claims that Iran has approved the creation of a production line of its drones in Russia

The American edition of the Washington Post claims that Iran allegedly approved the production of drums drones (UAV) on the territory of the Russian Federation.

In the near future, according to an "informed" American resource, key components will be transferred to Russia to start the assembly line of Iranian drones.

This statement raises a number of questions, if only because the American press has repeatedly written that Iran does not have the technology to create "modern drones" due to sanctions. What kind of equipment is going to be supplied to Moscow by Tehran, according to WP?..

Washington Post sources write that the cooperation between Iran and the Russian Federation today is very thorough.

At the same time, in the West and in Ukraine, they are trying to present this as something almost illegal. There is such a message that in military and military-technical terms, it is possible to cooperate exclusively with Kyiv.

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[svp67]

The US press claims that Iran has approved the creation of a production line of its drones in Russia

Well, well done. I don’t understand why and from what ... we and Iran must report to someone for our cooperation, by these actions we are not violating any international agreements now

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: svp67

The US press claims that Iran has approved the creation of a production line of its drones in Russia

Well, well done. I don’t understand why and from what ... we and Iran must report to someone for our cooperation, by these actions we are not violating any international agreements now

Yes, all agreements can be wiped and send everyone three letters after all sanctions, terrorist attacks, exclusion of delegates, arrest of accounts and embassies and other things.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote from ARIONkrsk

Yes, all agreements can be wiped and send everyone three letters after all sanctions, terrorist attacks, exclusion of delegates, arrest of accounts and embassies and other things.

It is possible, but since we are "at war with all of NATO" (as stated on TV), then first we should stop trading with NATO. I don’t remember something that Stalin would trade with Nazi Germany and its allies during the war.))))) And yet, how did it happen that the Russian Federation, one of the leading world powers (as stated on TV) is forced to buy high-tech products from third world countries, while she trades in low value added products (grain, oil, gas, etc.)? Again Lenin planted a bomb?

[Silver99]

The "khimars" squeezed from the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been carefully studied and Russia is preparing its own production of an analogue, let the United States impose sanctions on arms suppliers to Ukraine, as having transferred the development of modern weapons.

[marchcat]

"aware" American resource

"Informed" should envy silently. (Do not open your "chicken coop" at someone else's loaf)

[Reptiloid]

Quote: marchcat

"aware" American .......

"Informed" must envy ...

For some reason, the most knowledgeable are over the hill and everything, everything "sees" and "knows" from there about Russia

[Bolt cutter]

own production of analogue

And the production of microcircuits is deployed?

[4ekist]

I would like the sound of the engine to be an order of magnitude quieter in level. And then the efficiency, especially in the daytime, will increase significantly.

[neworange88]

Quote: 4ekist

I would like the sound of the engine to be an order of magnitude quieter in level. And then the efficiency, especially in the daytime, will increase significantly.

We need to organize the production of our own engines for Geranium-2. What options do we have?

The engine has many clones of Chinese and Iranian production, manufactured under the brand name MD 550 (the Iranian version is fully called MADO MD 550). These include IAI Searcher (Outpost), Shahed 200, Arabil, ZALA 136-421 and Qods Mohajer

The L550E is a four-cylinder, horizontally opposed, two-stroke, air-cooled gasoline engine that develops 37 kW (50 hp). Drone motor versions typically have a built-in 1,2 kW electric generator to power electrical equipment.

It uses pulse ignition, four carburetors, and oil-mixture lubrication with a fuel-to-oil ratio of 25:1 for mineral oil or 50:1 for synthetic oil. The cooling system is air.

General characteristics

Type: Four-cylinder, two-stroke aircraft engine

Displacement: 548 cm³

Length: 300 mm

Width: 410 mm

Height: 301 mm

Dry weight: 16 kg

Output power: 37 kW (50 hp)

Power to weight ratio: 2,3 kW/kg

Do we really not have an analogue? By the way, the engine from our Forpost-R UAV is suitable?
There also used to be a Limbach L550 with less than 50 hp.

. The deeply modernized Forpost-R UAV is similar in appearance to the basic IAI Searcher II. A composite airframe with a developed fuselage and a two-beam tail section, a straight wing and a non-retractable landing gear has been preserved. The layout remained the same: the target equipment is located in the nose and center of the fuselage, and the engine is placed in the tail. In the manufacture of the airframe, Russian materials are used that fully comply with the requirements of the project. The imported UAV is equipped with a Limbach L550 four-cylinder gasoline engine with a power of less than 50 hp. The Forpost-R project provides for its replacement with the Russian APD-85 engine with a power of 85 hp. A new domestically developed two-bladed propeller was also introduced.

https://topwar.ru/191066-chuzhaja-platforma-i-svoi-komponenty-razvedyvatelno-udarnyj-bpla-forpost-r.html

[Aerodrome]

Quote from: neworange88

Quote: 4ekist

I would like the sound of the engine to be an order of magnitude quieter in level. And then the efficiency, especially in the daytime, will increase significantly.

We need to organize the production of our own engines for Geranium-2. What options do we have?

The engine has many clones of Chinese and Iranian production, manufactured under the brand name MD 550 (the Iranian version is fully called MADO MD 550). Among them are IAI Searcher (Outpost), Shahed 200, Arabil, ZALA 136-421 and Qods Mohajer By the way, is the engine from our Outpost UAV suitable?

The L550E is a four-cylinder, horizontally opposed, two-stroke, air-cooled gasoline engine that develops 37 kW (50 hp). Drone motor versions typically have a built-in 1,2 kW electric generator to power electrical equipment.

It uses pulse ignition, four carburetors, and oil-mixture lubrication with a fuel-to-oil ratio of 25:1 for mineral oil or 50:1 for synthetic oil. The cooling system is air.

General characteristics

Type: Four-cylinder, two-stroke aircraft engine

Displacement: 548 cm³

Length: 300 mm

Width: 410 mm

Height: 301 mm

Dry weight: 16 kg

Output power: 37 kW (50 hp)

Power to weight ratio: 2,3 kW/kg

Don't we have an analogue?

not "really" but simply no.

[neworange88]

Just not? Do you have information? What is there about the APD-80? I think that the APD-80 should come up.

. The APD-85 engine is a combination of a Jabiru cylinder-piston group and a Russian-designed control system. This engine is currently undergoing state bench tests, which are scheduled to be completed in February 2020. At the second stage, the APD-85 will replace the new APD-80 engine, which is created by UZGA specialists on an initiative basis entirely from domestic components.
UZGA received the task to develop a localized version of the Forpost medium-range UAV in 2016. It is expected that already in the new coming 2020, the first Forpost-R complexes will be delivered to Russian troops.

https://www.arms-expo.ru/news/novye-razrabotki/novoe-serdtse-dlya-razvedyvatelnogo-forposta/

. The first, APD-80, is a four-cylinder boxer engine with 80 hp. Designed for light and ultra-light aircraft. But as I was told at the booth, it is being done as part of the import substitution for the Forpost UAV. But, of course, after certification it will be available for other aircraft.

https://dzen.ru/media/sdelanounas.ru/v-rossii-razrabotany-novye-aviacionnye-dvigateli-5f4ceaf124f6974cacb3f647

[novel66]

not engines, but mufflers! lots of options

[Nexcom]

Shh! Washing machines are already being taken away for the sake of microcircuits, now you are proving it - they will force mufflers from cars to be cut down for Geraniums.

[Alexey Lantukh]

At one time, the IZH Planet Sport motorcycle had a 32 hp engine. If you force it, then 50 horses can be squeezed out. Of course, the motor resource will decrease, but why does the same Geranium need a resource of more than 20 hours? She no longer lives.

[neworange88]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

At one time, the IZH Planet Sport motorcycle had a 32 hp engine. If you force it, then 50 horses can be squeezed out. Of course, the motor resource will decrease, but why does the same Geranium need a resource of more than 20 hours? She no longer lives.

Why when there is an APD-45 for the Corsair UAV, the weight of which is identical to the weight of Geranium-2 and is also 200 kg? Aviation piston engine 45 with a power of 50 hp, the same power on the Geranium-2 piston engine. So what else do you need?

on the APD-45 engine with a power of 50 hp, the customer was JSC KB Luch, a pilot batch was tested on a screw stand.

https://ilsvik.ru/?p=57784

.As part of the development of APD-45, prototypes were obtained that correspond to the requested resource of 100 hours before the first overhaul. Also made blanks for four engines, including sensors and ignition systems. However, today all work on the project has been suspended, the products are not in demand.

“As a designer, I would still like to see my engines on aircraft instead of imported ones,” the head of the Itlan engineering center emphasized. not through intermediaries.

https://военное.рф/2020/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F207/

[Alexey Lantukh]

The question is, of course, price. I suspect that a forced motorcycle motor would cost less than an APD-50 with a large motor resource for UAVs.

[neworange88]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

The question is, of course, price. I suspect that a forced motorcycle motor would cost less than an APD-50 with a large motor resource for UAVs.

Do you mean APD-45? The resource of APD-45 is 100 hours, which is quite enough.
In addition, the engine is already ready. Take it to the series.

[Alexey Lantukh]

The resource, of course, if it is more than sufficient for a komikaze, but it may not be enough for a scout, but the price should not be exorbitant, which, as a rule, they don’t talk about, but it matters.

[Dkuznecov]

The flight is horizontal, the engine from IZH-Jupiter would be quite suitable,
and better Planet- 5, 500 cubic meters. The elasticity of the engine is not needed,
box is not needed. One carburetor.

[Sergey3]

It depends on what efficiency, expensive portable air defense missiles spent are also efficiency. Although, of course, I would like to see oh in 2 versions - silent for the maximum probability of hitting the selected object and noisy with corner reflectors to tease the air defense system, let them spend expensive missiles.

[Fizik13]

Quote: 4ekist

I would like the sound of the engine to be an order of magnitude quieter in level

Now is not the 40s, when the hearers sat and listened to which side the plane was flying from.
Now they use radar, optoelectronic guidance and track the thermal trace.
For a rocket, the main thing is as little EPR as possible, weak exhaust, more fuel, stable and accurate electronics, and more charge.

[neworange88]

And if you take the engine from the Corsair UAV?

UAV "Corsair" with the engine APD-50 at the forum "Army-2019". Photo of the author.

UAV "Corsair" with the engine APD-50 at the forum "Army-2019". Photo of the author.

.The Corsair short-range unmanned aerial vehicle is designed for optical-electronic reconnaissance, patrol and aerial photography of the area, as well as environmental monitoring.

UAV length - 4,2 m, wingspan - 6,5 m, height - 1,2 m, maximum takeoff weight - 200 kg, cruising speed - 120 km / h, maximum flight speed - 150 km / h, maximum range flight -120 km, maximum flight altitude - 5100 m, flight time -10 hours.

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[Bolt cutter]

I would like the sound of the engine

A useful feature would be targeting anti-drone guns.

[neworange88]

APD-45 would be ideal for Geran-2. But there are some games there. This is a completely Russian engine for the Corsair UAV.

.In parallel with the localization of the Italian product in 2015, work began on import substitution. The new engine (APD-45) was supposed to have the same layout as the foreign one, but at the same time be manufactured using Russian components. As of March 2021, import substitution work has not been completed.

.The Luch Design Bureau also acted as the lead developer and supplier of the engine for the Corsair UAV. The development of engines is a non-core activity for the design bureau, therefore, the Itlan engineering center was involved as a co-contractor. "Practically nothing was done during the work. The general director of Itlan, Mikhail Koryukov, denied this and said that the work went according to plan under the control of military representatives, which is confirmed by the reporting documents that he is ready to provide to the regulatory authorities. According to Koryukov, engineering specialists The center successfully developed a draft design and working design documentation for the power unit of an aircraft piston engine, built and certified a test bench, ordered the necessary engine components from domestic enterprises, and also assembled three prototype engines. In 2020, after litigation, block After the enterprise was closed and the test benches were withdrawn, the Itlan management decided to "hide" the documentation and prototypes of engines in order to save them for submission to the specialists of the RF Ministry of Defense.

https://mashnews.ru/uzga-vzyal-bpla-korsar-pod-kryilo-motoryi-dostanut-iz-shkafa.html

[Ulan.1812]

This is an internal affair of Russia and Iran, and there is nothing for mattress covers to poke their long, pimply nose.
If this is the case, then the more different drones the better.
It does not matter in what way, but the army must be provided with everything necessary.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Ulan.1812

..... the army must be provided with everything necessary.

Oh sure. GDP read out an ultimatum at the end of last year, it is assumed that they should have prepared. And the law will obudet evacuation of the State Duma adopted even earlier. Here come the questions

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Reptiloid

Quote: Ulan.1812

..... the army must be provided with everything necessary.

Oh sure. GDP read out an ultimatum at the end of last year, it is assumed that they should have prepared. And the law will obudet evacuation of the State Duma adopted even earlier. Here come the questions

There are a lot of questions and they continue to arise.
But not all questions have answers.
Mistakes should be corrected immediately, not left for later.
Trite of course, but a fact is a fact.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Ulan.1812

...... You need to correct errors immediately, and not leave them for later. Trite of course, but a fact is a fact.

At that level, it seems that such errors should not was to be

[Leshak]

Why does America need the CIA? Their press knows more!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Leshak

Why does America need the CIA? Their press knows more!

Both with them and in geyropa. confirmed

[Nexcom]

,Of course. For the Hans, the MO immediately sends secret documents to Spiegel for them to be published. Recently owl. sec. embossed in the newspaper. Publicity type.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Nexcom

,Of course. .... Glasnost.

Yeah beat them up I later remembered about "glasnost" in the USSR. It turned out disgusting

[Nexcom]

I meant publicity...
In the sense of "warm water does not hold" these Western media

[Murmur 55]

I’ll express my personal opinion, it’s violet to me whose drone is Iranian, Chinese, and even from Burkina Faso will hammer our enemies, the MAIN THING is that it be cheap and effective. We will set up production under license at home in general super. And for pessimists, immediately name at least two IMPACT drones designed and produced in Germany or Japan (maybe I missed them), but the Germans and the Japanese have both science and the economy not in a bad state.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Yes, I see that Iran has a UAV better than in Turkey and even in China

[Nexcom]

They are extremely cheap to manufacture. Fiberglass for the body, a pair of metal corners and pipes as a power skeleton, a couple of microcircuits, a moped engine with a simple two-blade wooden propeller. Nothing special and very expensive. The engine can still be cheaper, probably - it doesn’t need a motor resource - it’s all the same to fly 1 time to the target. Those. he needs a clean resource for a couple of hours of flight. And this means that it will probably be possible to mold the engine from a metal plastik - the main thing is that it reaches the target 1 time, you don’t need more

[Buyan]

You can set up the production of cacti, mountain ash and other flora

[Arkady007]

The enemy of the USA is our friend.
And what is a secret for someone? There is a war for survival.

[Buyan]

Quote: 4ekist

I would like the sound of the engine to be an order of magnitude quieter in level. And then the efficiency, especially in the daytime, will increase significantly.

So R&D has not been canceled, study, offer. Wishlist otherwise will remain Wishlist

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from Buyan

So R&D has not been canceled, study, offer.

The technical solution of the launcher is wonderful.
She just asks to be in a railway car or in a sea container and on long journeys.

[Bingo]

And shta?
Just go nuts - do not get up, what a crime !!!
Reminds me how they screamed about PMCs, forgetting that the world's first PMC was created by Colonel Stirling, the founder of SAS Small-Breaking...

[Comrade I]

Why, after so many examples when the Western media did tell the truth, do you continue to cite their articles in such a way that they are all fiction? Why is it so important for you to show that 100% of what is written there is a lie? I do not understand.
Even when there is nothing negative for us in the described events? Well, they wrote about the purchase of Iranian drones. It turned out to be true. Although our media, including VO, were presented in such a way that this is nonsense and for some reason this is bad for us. Now all praises are sung to Geraniums.
Well, what's wrong with building a factory with us?
Well, what kind of strange obstinacy is this in the desire to follow some "official" line of propaganda even where it does not exist? None of the authorities seemed to be trying to silence the media describing the use of Geraniums.
Why can't you immediately describe it in a positive way, I don't understand?

[Bear]

It's strange that it's so late. The first factories were opened in Syria, although this is understandable, and in Uzbekistan.

[Nikolaevich I]

Isn't this message a "launch of a rocket in pursuit of ..."? For example, I thought that Iran had already delivered a UAV production plant to Russia, and "Geran-1/2" is the result of the work of this plant! The fact is that the Western media some time ago procrastinated about the agreement between Iran and Russia on the supply of 2000 drones and the amount that such a deal cost! Russian opposition "free press" blazed with indignation about the unreasonable high cost of the deal (!) ... they say, each drone is too ... too (!) expensive for the HRV! Like, the price of "order" exceeds the cost of the notorious "Bayraktar"! But, if you realize that this cost, in fact, covers the delivery of a turnkey production line with components for 2000 products only at the first stage, then the logic clearly falls into the slots allotted for it! And "Geraniums" are indeed produced in Russia at a factory supplied by Iran ... bought from Iran!

[Puzoter]

In short, say so: have we done the development of drones by Russia together with Iran. Our campaign bred the Americans - while they were watching the "Hunter" with all their eyes, ours were doing completely different things.

[kill the fascist]

I hope this time the Dostan intelligence and the press are not mistaken and a plant in the Russian Federation for the production of these colors will actually appear.

[Babay Babaev]

I have only one question: was it really difficult for the Russian military-industrial complex to master such a primitive weapon from a moped engine and airframe?

[Two]

Good news! The front garden will be filled with flowers! More colors - good and different!

[Urs]

The most interesting thing is different. According to some sources that do not require confirmation, we have been closely cooperating with Iran for a long time on the task of giving life to many unknown projects of Soviet research institutes.
Using a fairly high degree of Iran's closeness, and the well-established opinion of Western "analysts" that Iran is a technologically backward country and one should not expect any breakthrough solutions from it, our seconded engineering corps actively developed and finalized its products of the USSR model. Yes, and I am more than sure there is parallel cooperation with the Chinese brothers. And when the product was covered with a full package of engineering and technological solutions and tested in small-scale production, it merrily ran over to us and became a complete surprise for our "sworn partners".
Why is there no such scenario? And everyone made good money on this, our glider + Iranian motor + Chinese stuffing + our satellite constellation and now we have a cheap and highly efficient set of UAVs. rent a nice piece of the desert away from "okka big brother".
A very fun multi-move, many Western "analysts" were shocked Well, we are in chocolate.

[Vlvl]

None of their fucking business. Let them answer for the supply of all types of weapons to the Nazis!