German press: More than half of the PzH 2000 self-propelled guns transferred to Ukraine are out of order and cannot be operated

The German edition Der Spiegel writes about the difficult situation with the operation of PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers, which were supplied in the interests of the Kyiv regime. These howitzers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are used in various directions, including using them to shell residential areas of Donetsk and other cities of Donbass.

Earlier, the West stated that the intensity of the use of artillery pieces by Ukrainian troops exceeds "NATO maximum standards by an average of 3-4 times." Sometimes it comes to the point that a week's maximum shells are fired per day.

The German press writes that the problem with the lack of spare parts for the PzH 2000 has manifested itself. German self-propelled guns wear out due to their excessive use and the inability to carry out maintenance and repairs in a timely manner.

The authors of the material in Der Spiegel write that more than half of the self-propelled howitzers transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and in total, according to official data, the Kyiv regime received 14 units of PzH 2000) need to be repaired and cannot be operated.

It is reported that six self-propelled artillery mounts were sent from the territory of Ukraine to Lithuania for repairs. Moreover, it got to the point that one of the self-propelled guns had to be completely disassembled, turning it into a donor of spare parts for other PzH 2000 self-propelled guns.

Germany is going to open a maintenance center for these self-propelled guns in Slovakia in December, but here, too, the problem is the lack of spare parts. German enterprises reportedly do not have the appropriate stock of components to be able to service the PzH 2000 with such a high intensity of their use as in Ukraine.

At the same time, the German press delicately avoids the topic of the fact that many self-propelled guns delivered to Ukraine failed not at all because they were actively used, but due to their defeat by Russian troops.

Comments

[Prisoner]

This is not a Mercedes for you. Although they, with Audi and BMW, began to lose quality.

[Alexander 3]

We offered them to transfer the production of cars to us. They didn’t want something. Then it would be too late.

[Evil 55]

Nonsense .. The German panzerhaubitz waffle beats endlessly through the Russian city of Donetsk .. It's a shame, Lord ... for Russia and for its defenders ..

[shikin]

And when Russian weapons hit a Russian city - isn't it a shame? And if you really want to be ashamed, then talk about yourself personally.

[Vorchunov]

Are you delusional? Who, where and when, facts and not speculation ukronedonoska!

[shikin]

You can immediately see the boor.
What facts do you need? On both sides, Russian / Soviet weapons, on both sides, Russian cities. There are a lot of Russian people on both sides (and not only Russians, from ours - Russians, from that one - who just doesn’t exist). But on which side you are - it remains to be seen.

[katarsafebox.com]

Do hara-kiri if you're so embarrassed.

[Prisoner]

Too late. Asia rules. (Brevity is the sister of talent)

[Diana Ilyina]

It is interesting that degradation concerns everything, because even the famous Krupp steel is apparently no longer the same, since it cannot withstand such intensity.
The question gnaws at me, but what kind of war and intensity did these self-propelled guns count on? One shot an hour and a smoke break for coffee? Yes, the wrong Fritz went, the wrong one ...

[Bingo]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

The question gnaws at me, but what kind of war and intensity did these self-propelled guns count on?

Well, there is such an interesting thing that they quite officially write that a maximum of 100 shots per barrel per day ... At least, steal such data cited ... Well, this one ... Yes, yes ... Of course, shelling cities will do , fired 10 shells, left, fired another 10 ... But to demolish some kind of fortification is already unrealistic))) Although, probably, the Germans thought that artillery would work with batteries, probably, and not by the piece ...

[Diana Ilyina]

Strengthen to believe, do not respect yourself. Rather, this is what the Ukrainians themselves were able to squeeze out of it. And then she broke down...

[Prisoner]

They decided for themselves that the war was not for them. And they climbed under the wing of those who decided for themselves that it was not easy for them to fight, and let those who are under the wing fight. Controversy however.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

The question gnaws at me, but what kind of war and intensity did these self-propelled guns count on?

it’s simple, as Germany joined NATO, their doctrine of application has changed, so it’s not customary for them to shoot at the barrel melt from self-propelled guns now (the ammo is only 60 shells), and the Germans didn’t think that their saushki would be rocked so quickly right up to the capital ...

[bayard]

Quote: PSih2097

and the Germans did not think that so quickly their saushki would be rocked down to the capital ..

Our artillery also shoots trunks, they have changed more than once during the war. Artillery warfare, maneuverable for artillery - often positions have to be changed, at full speed through fields and gullies. So it's all right. The problem was the lack of spare parts in stock for the Germans, spare parts and spare parts in case of an intense war, they did not stock up, spare barrels and recoil mechanisms, too. But these problems are only a plus for us. Enough of your art. And shells. And repair facilities.

[ada]

Ammo of 60 shells, this is a portable ammo, and what kind of ammo is assigned to self-propelled guns in the German Armed Forces or on Nezalezhnaya, what are the standards for content in the air intake and consumption, for what period and type of database, what composition according to the nomenclature - I have not seen information. I believe that they themselves don’t know, everything is in dynamics
From the well-known: "The ammunition rack is designed for 60 shells and 288 modular propellant charges (or equivalent conventional charges). For the PzH 2000 howitzer, the propellant charge consists of six MTLS modules, while the maximum firing range of the standard L15A2 projectile from the L52 howitzer is 30 km, and active-reactive - about 40 km. In addition to modular charges, standard NATO charges can also be used. The PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzer autoloader magazine is designed for 60 rounds of 155 mm caliber. Roughly speaking, there are 48 full modular propellant charges, in other sources - 38. What is there and how many bullets are actually fired? I think - with all the standard that they will give and anyhow.
For the "stem melt" , or rather, for maintaining the parameters of the temperature regime, automation with temperature sensors of the charging chamber is responsible. How she copes - who knows? The craftsmen have probably already put a jumper in the contacts. Yes, and there was a discussion here earlier: https://topwar.ru/199692-shpigel-iz-za-zapredelnoj-intensivnosti-ispolzovanija-sau-pzh-2000-na-ukraine-oni-bystro-vyhodjat-iz-stroja.html

[orionvitt]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

what kind of war and intensity were these self-propelled guns calculated on?

Combat operations are always prohibitive loads on equipment. The point here is not even in intensity, but in the unification of weapons. If the repair base was sharpened for old Soviet equipment, then repairs were carried out quickly and literally "on the knee". And if armament "of each creature in pairs" comes from the west, and in your artillery battalion, instead of a pair of standard samples, there are twenty, moreover, of different designs that have not been seen before, then the result is predictable.

[Alexander Salenko]

I was also surprised by this as surprised by what the girl commented on. Peacetime trunks should stand there, and they are much stronger than military trunks. At one time, Grabin wrote about his guns that in the terms of reference they set a task for barrels of 12 thousand shots, one of the cannons that fought in the Second World War fired less than 4 thousand. And then no one spared the shells either. I heartily appreciate the thoughtful comment.

[agoran]

I don’t know about BMW, but Audi cars were bought by one of St. Petersburg banks. And they began to fail before the warranty expired. My friend zavgar wrote a claim to the head office. The answer plunged me into amazement: We have a lot of Turkish workers, there is no way to control everyone.

[S. Sergei]

It would be possible to poke fun at them, but somehow Lada does not pull on a counterargument against BMW.

[grandson of Perun]

Lada does not pull on a counterargument against BMW.

In terms of price-quality ratio, a very counterargument.
Although the false stereotype "Russians don't know how to make cars" is still alive.

[Alexander Salenko]

It doesn’t pull, but the fact that the Germans sank in the automotive industry is just a statement of fact, and the Americans too. I was surprised that cars fell down before the end of the guarantee, and this subsidence is done deliberately, because if you saturate the market with cars, you will saturate it and sales will fall. Therefore, the decline in quality is deliberate.

[iouris]

They were placed wrong. And then they "failed".

[Ulan.1812]

These crooks will break anything.

[Poplar]

I think it's not a matter of curvature, although it certainly is. Most likely, there is a certainty that they will be "the whole world", and they will also be sent howitzers and other wunderwaffles as much as they say. Like: why feel sorry for these guns, Zelya will call the right place tomorrow, and they will send more.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Ulan.1812

These crooks will break anything.

Hehe .... the crooked hands instructed me. It's funny.

[Skif]

Yes Yes. The German self-propelled gun became a donor because the barrel, chassis, hull and crew were slightly worn out. It happens.

[dmi.pris1]

The crew? Yes, to the kidneys, liver .. But you never know what else the "white man" will need ..

[Diana Ilyina]

It is unlikely that the crews there are from skakuas, more likely from Poles or Romanians, or even the Fritz themselves.

[Skif]

Do they have a liver, or something else? On the back parts will go.

[Prisoner]

Their liver is reduced to zero by military pharma.

[Ryaruav]

Well, it turns out that not everywhere there is a vaunted German quality, although this is a global trend, japs ​​are also losing quality, because the modernization of production lines and technical equipment is very expensive like replacing robots on a conveyor

[grandson of Perun]

not everywhere there is a vaunted German quality

Although the defense industry has somewhat different quality requirements than in consumer engineering, but now in the economy the general principle is to provide the declared resource at the minimum cost. That is, if the statistical "lifetime of a self-propelled gun in combat" is on average several hours and several dozen shots, then there is no need to spend extra money on providing a resource of thousands of engine hours and thousands of shots.

[Kuroneko]

I’m interested in something else: apparently NATO was expecting (outside of any Ukraine) a victorious march on Moscow, if with enviable constancy it rivets armored boxes that are unable to work normally in Russian realities from the very beginning? Scheduled war and other ordnung is nice, me-me.
And what, say, about the old D-30? But nothing. Until they fly over them, thousands of shots will be fired without any repairs. And they are repaired with a sledgehammer and such and such a mother right in the field.
For the USSR. Who made equipment not against the Papuans, but for a big war.

[Mavrikiy]

Earlier in the West, it was stated that the intensity of the use of artillery pieces by Ukrainian troops exceeds "NATO maximum standards on average 3-4 times". Sometimes it comes to the point that it is released in a day weekly high shells.

7 times. You can’t trust the West, complete degenerates, they even get confused in simple numbers, let alone numbers ..... .

[topol717]

Quote: Mavrikiy

7 times. You can’t trust the West, they are complete degenerates, they get confused even in simple numbers, and only about numbers ... .

Most likely there is some kind of standard, such as you need to let the barrel cool down, for example, after 3-4 shots. and if this is not done, then it wears out 2-3 times faster.
Plus, of course, there are postscripts, for example, you can sell a shell, or lose it, but say that you fired it, or you can lose 100 shells, or you sold a car in a place with a BC, because you are too lazy to unload))))
So it turns out such mathematics, some do not use it correctly, others attribute it, but the Germans do not know how to count. ))))

[sneig]

The Germans are afraid to write the truth, it's not about wear and tear, but to some kind of Krasnopol, Lancet, etc., etc.

[hellcos]

German enterprises reportedly do not have the appropriate stock of components to be able to service the PzH 2000 with such a high intensity of their use as in Ukraine.

Do they not have spare parts for the repair of 14 self-propelled guns?

[Clone]

Quote from Hellcos

They don't have accessories.

They have everything. But what does not fit into the standards ... they do not.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote from Hellcos

Do they not have spare parts for the repair of 14 self-propelled guns?

The economy must be economical. And there is no desire to give away spare parts from the warehouses of the Bundeswehr.

[Special department]

German press: More than half of the PzH 2000 self-propelled guns transferred to Ukraine are out of order and cannot be operated

There are still underground workers in Germany! Keep it up ..

[Viktor Sergeev]

This was immediately clear to everyone, except for the Ukrainians. Logistics out. Even in Germany itself, more than half of the equipment is not combat-ready.

[Clone]

Ndaaa ... I remember the times of "Soviet-German friendship" ... The Teutons were good for everyone when it came to standards and compliance with the rules in their implementation. And they almost always lost to our fighters because our rules were not respected. On the subject ... I really hope that the East Germans will remember their warlike nature and ... bend over ... well, those who are not ours.

[Boniface]

like all German cars - and this "miracle" of German technical thought - "killed" the crookedness of the "car service" and expensive spare parts))))
Well, the Russian troops spoiled a dozen

[Pocc]

Received for free, the recipients usually never feel sorry for.
So let the Germans rejoice that no more freebies are required from them and they are not called liver sausage.
You have raised your own backbones - now be patient.

[Master 2030]

What are these standards for Nata? For war or for hacking the dough with a near-military lady? If the second is a plus for Russia.

[VictorVictor]

Quote: Evil 55

Nonsense .. The German panzerhaubitz waffle beats endlessly through the Russian city of Donetsk .. It's a shame, Lord ... for Russia and for its defenders ..

Go there, sort it out.