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Serial production of AH-64E Apache attack helicopters launched in the USA

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In the US, mass production of heavy attack helicopters AH-64E Block III Apache ("Apache") began. This was reported by the US Department of Defense, which replaced the designation of this variant of the helicopter from AH-64D to AH-64E.


Modification "E" has the best drive of the power plant and rotor blades made of composite material, which allowed to increase the helicopter speed by 46 km / h in comparison with the modification AH-64D Block II. The new version of the Apache has onboard avionics of open architecture and the ability to control unmanned aerial vehicles from the cockpit.

The US Army plans to purchase AH-690E 64 helicopters and replace them with the Apaches of the old versions.

Representatives of the Boeing company note that the production facilities allow not only to fulfill the army’s order, but also to produce the Apache helicopters on existing orders, as well as in the framework of the program of military assistance to foreign states (Foreign Military Sales).
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  1. Joker
    Joker 30 October 2012 13: 56
    +5
    Yeah, we only have 2020 with something planned before 200 sad smartly they rivet.
    1. black_eagle
      black_eagle 30 October 2012 14: 00
      +3
      Well, they don’t stand still, but we even have a question about composite blades and generally about drones, I’m not saying what would the Ka-52 control
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 October 2012 14: 51
        +5
        Quote: black_eagle
        and at least we have a question about composite blades

        As far as I know, it’s precisely compazit that they put on the latest helicopter models in Russia. Recently, there was a STAR program dedicated to this particular issue.

        Work on the creation of a new Mi-28 helicopter began in 1982. The first prototype of the machine first flew on November 10, 1982. Mi-28 is a further development of the Mi-24 helicopter and was created to replace it. The design of the supporting system is the same as that of the Mi-24, but the blades are completely made of composite materials and have high residual strength in combat damage. The engines are spaced as far as possible in order to eliminate the failure of both when a rocket hits one of the engines. Engines are equipped with electronic regulation system and infrared suppression device
        1. Kir
          Kir 30 October 2012 17: 29
          +2
          In the aircraft series "POLYGON" Ka-50 / KA-52 for 1997. In the section "Features of the technical appearance" in the subsection "bearing system" it is indicated:
          The spars of the blades are hollow beams of variable cross-section with an intermediate wall. Fiberglass material. The tail section is glued to the back of the spar, the lining and end ribs of which are made of hardboard, and the honeycomb filler is made of polymer-plastic.
        2. crazyrom
          crazyrom 30 October 2012 19: 39
          0
          better drive

          Seriously?? wassat
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 October 2012 14: 02
      +4
      And where is it written, how long do they rivet 690 new cars?
      1. Joker
        Joker 30 October 2012 14: 41
        +2
        Well, it seems like the plant collects 4 per month from them, but they have more than one kind of how. Here's the hi
        AH-64E received propeller blades made of composite materials, a new flight control system, and updated equipment for night operations. The helicopter is also capable of controlling several unmanned aerial vehicles. AH-64E is capable of speeds up to 300 kilometers per hour, and its flight range is about two thousand kilometers.

        The helicopter also received a new transmission and improved engines. According to the pilot of the AH-64 helicopter at Boeing, Ray Handy, all the innovations have significantly improved the aircraft's flight characteristics. "The E version is now similar in performance to the much lighter A version," Handy said.

        The AH-64E is equipped with a 30mm cannon and Hydra 70 unguided rockets, as well as AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-surface missiles and AIM-92 Stinger and AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles.

        A gorgeous helicopter, of course, read the reviews of our pilots on MI-28, so they scolded him everyone, they say the KA-52 is better by the head, and the Milevsky guys pushed their miracle on time and started buying them.
        1. PLO
          PLO 30 October 2012 14: 43
          +5
          actually, at the moment, 167 Mi-28s and 180 Ka-52s were contracted (not including ship-borne Ka-52k)
          1. Su24
            Su24 30 October 2012 17: 08
            0
            another plus Mi-35 fifty
        2. YARY
          YARY 30 October 2012 15: 07
          +1
          The issue with production, this is the question of the availability of personnel!
          And then the cat just cried! And less and less.
          We are reaping the fruits of a new model of training, management, a lack of ideology, and much has been left outside of Russia. And theft? What about salaries?
          EEEEEEEEEhhh !!!
    3. urzul
      urzul 30 October 2012 14: 51
      +3
      Under a contract concluded in August of this year, they plan on 48 helicopters per year, but it is most likely about modernization and not production of new ones.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 30 October 2012 16: 30
        +1
        Quote: urzul
        The US Army plans to purchase AH-690E 64 helicopters and replace them with the Apaches of the old versions.


        maybe, but on the basis of this phrase, all the same, they will probably either replace part or all of the helicopters, rather than upgrade. junk will be shoved by the Indians .... they are our great deversifiers!
    4. silver_roman
      silver_roman 30 October 2012 16: 26
      +1
      that is yes. and you look for interest input destroyers Orly Burke. so they managed to deliver 3-4 destroyers to the troops every year. in this regard, they have high-level production ... it's hard to argue. but nothing, we have everything ahead ....
    5. Michael-rl
      Michael-rl 30 October 2012 16: 41
      -1
      Well, they essentially get it for free - so you can print money and order 20 of thousands of helicopters.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 October 2012 10: 46
        0
        Economics, learn economics urgently
        1. Michael-rl
          Michael-rl 2 November 2012 13: 04
          0
          As if, if you borrow, and as much as no one can borrow, and are not going to repay this debt, and even then you can continue borrowing - then I call it "free"
    6. sasha127
      sasha127 30 October 2012 16: 52
      -6
      And when they get riveted, they are already capetally out of date.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 30 October 2012 19: 18
        0
        What apaches are these freaks! They are now comrade Sandy so pat that they will eat each other! I will not hide, I will smile ...
        1. black_eagle
          black_eagle 31 October 2012 00: 02
          0
          Quote: almost demobilized
          I will not hide, I will smile ...

          Well, why so? we are not aggressors))))) On the contrary, the poor will freeze, they would have to send a dry cargo ship of different boots, so that they would understand who is who, who knows how to send tanks to help, and who is a peaceful load))))))
    7. Bars90
      Bars90 30 October 2012 21: 47
      0
      Thanks to the 90th, say ... During this period, some part of our defense component was stolen.
  2. Wedmak
    Wedmak 30 October 2012 14: 00
    +3
    All the same, unlike our Mi-28N, the appearance of this directly reflects the meaning of the phrase "we blinded him, from what was." Well, how they spoke about our T-90, I will answer in the same way: only the 8th modification of the AH-64A, nothing new ...
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 30 October 2012 14: 30
      +8
      And the Americans do not try to rivet endlessly new models. They take a different, more economical path. They modify the machine tested and tested in real combat conditions, which seriously increases its combat effectiveness. This takes into account the shortcomings of previous modifications, the emergence of new threats and the emergence of new technologies.
      In particular, the use of open architecture computer systems in this helicopter allows the helicopter to be compatible with a wide range of new electronic and weapon systems as well as with ground and air force control networks without major modifications to the helicopter. For example, a helicopter can exchange digital information about the air and ground conditions with ground and air control gears, receive target designation, etc. in real time, i.e. becomes an organic element of the overall system of command and control of arms and weapons.
      1. Jackyun
        Jackyun 30 October 2012 15: 00
        +2
        Quote: gregor6549
        Modify a car tested and tested in real combat conditions

        Where? When? In what war did the Americans participate in real fire resistance of the enemy? The last was Vietnam! The result is known! Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - this is ridiculous! This is not a war, and even so in Afghanistan they really do not control anything.
        Machines with real combat experience are MI-24, Ka-50, MiG-29, those with whom the Yankees really do not want to meet. And everything else is PR!
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 30 October 2012 15: 16
          +5
          Quote: Jackyun
          What kind of war did the Americans take part in with real fire resistance of the enemy

          Desert Storm. Apaches showed high efficiency, both when clearing corridors for air defense in the air defense system, and when striking armored units.

          Quote: Jackyun
          Machines with real combat experience are MI-24, Ka-50, MiG-29

          Why drag a fighter into the line of helicopters? And right there, the discontinued Ka-50? Combat experience and opponents 24-k are essentially similar to the American.
          1. Jin
            Jin 30 October 2012 16: 23
            +3
            Quote: Marine One
            Desert Storm. Apaches showed high efficiency, both when clearing corridors for air defense in the air defense system, and when striking armored units.


            You read about the Mi-24 of the Iraqi Air Force. What efficiency they had! About Sand Demons Squadron! This is efficiency! And, mind you, these are the same 24s, albeit modernized naturally !!!
            1. Jin
              Jin 30 October 2012 16: 43
              0
              Stunned, to know who would put this minus, for which it is not clear, would say something in the ear .... (
              1. Marine One
                Marine One 30 October 2012 17: 20
                +1
                Oh come on you worry about virtual icons. They put it like that. Let them rejoice. smile
                1. Jin
                  Jin 31 October 2012 12: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Marine One
                  Oh come on you worry about virtual icons.


                  A trifle, but unpleasant)
            2. Marine One
              Marine One 30 October 2012 16: 55
              +5
              The story with "demons" was invented by Andrey Shityakov. Actually, after her, he received some fame in the Russian-language paramilitary forums. This is a skillfully written piece, however, it has nothing to do with reality.
              1. Jin
                Jin 31 October 2012 12: 26
                0
                Marine one,

                I didn’t know what was fiction, of course doubts crept in ... well, God be with him ... Thank you, I will know)
            3. Windbreak
              Windbreak 30 October 2012 17: 26
              +2
              Quote: Jin
              About Sand Demons Squadron! This is efficiency!
              Do you seriously believe in these illiterate fiction? Author - Andrey Shityakov (writer, poet, Pushkin Prize laureate, etc. etc.) http://skyfireavia.narod.ru/weap/shturm_iraq/shturm_iraq.htm the author does not even know the speed of American technology. M109 with maximum speed of 59 km / h, he goes under 75 km / h.
            4. Blat
              Blat 30 October 2012 21: 51
              +2
              I’ve read the yellow press again))))))))))))))))))) sand demons are afraid of everyone)))))))))))))))))))) I'm just interested in than there mi-24 is at least slightly superior to apache
              1. black_eagle
                black_eagle 31 October 2012 00: 06
                0
                Maximum speed, and yet Mi-24 and Apache should not be compared, different-class cars
              2. Jin
                Jin 31 October 2012 12: 24
                0
                Blat,

                Who said they are superior, I'm wondering ???
            5. qwerty_zxc
              qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 01: 02
              0
              and what, morons think that it really was?
            6. rumpeljschtizhen
              rumpeljschtizhen 31 October 2012 20: 11
              0
              kindergarten and believe in Santa Claus?
        2. Igor
          Igor 30 October 2012 17: 14
          +5
          Quote: Jackyun
          Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - this is ridiculous!


          To lose 5 planes in Georgia + 1 strategist is ridiculous!

          Quote: Jackyun
          Machines with real combat experience are MI-24, Ka-50


          The T-34 also had extensive experience in waging war, but after the war it was written off. Yes, and what kind of combat experience did the Ka-50 have? There was a story of the Ka-50 pilots who fought on them in Chechnya, so they flew 12 times to combat missions , then they were sent back to a civilian and replaced with a Mi-24, now all the Ka-50s have probably been decommissioned.
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 22: 06
          0
          Quote: Jackyun
          Where? When? In what war did the Americans participate in real fire resistance of the enemy?

          Unfortunately, whatever one may say, the AH-64E "Apache" is a very decent helicopter.
          Here is a video with more detailed information about the helicopter and the factory where it is collected [media = http: // http: //io.ua/v270dd00ab4a39c2b8c68b2a4afb98819]
        4. qwerty_zxc
          qwerty_zxc 31 October 2012 00: 59
          +3
          Quote: Jackyun
          those with whom the Yankees really do not want to meet.

          Moths of God, so as not to meet. And then your moronic cheers-patriotic fantasies will break about the harsh reality
          1. Marine One
            Marine One 31 October 2012 01: 12
            0
            Quote: qwerty_zxc
            Pray for God not to meet


            In fairness, for the 29th meeting there were. Including, one to one, in air battles. In Iraq (1st campaign) and in Yugoslavia. The total score was completely not in favor of the MiGs.
        5. Pimply
          Pimply 31 October 2012 10: 49
          +3
          In which major conflict did Ka-50 participate, except for limited use in Chechnya? Where actively fought Mig-29? In the Ethiopian war with Eritrea? And what does the plane have to do with it?
          Or back to the fact that Apache was used not only by amers, like Mi-24 - not only by the Soviets and Russia? Or if so, how is the Soviet war in Afghanistan fundamentally different from the American war in Afghanistan?
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 22: 28
        0
        Quote: gregor6549
        They modify the machine tested and tested in real combat conditions, which seriously increases its combat effectiveness.

        Unfortunately for us "Apache" is a very decent helicopter. See the video for more details. [Media = http: //inatgeo.ru/supersooruzheniya-megazavody/194
        -supersooruzhenie-megazavody-vertolety-apachi.html]
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 22: 40
        0
        Quote: gregor6549
        They modify the machine tested and tested in real combat conditions, which seriously increases its combat effectiveness.

        Yes, Apache is a good car, a serious rival.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 22: 44
          0
          here is a video about the plant [media = http: //www.locci.ru/films/megazavody-vertoljoty-apach.html]
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 22: 55
        +2
        Quote: gregor6549
        They modify the machine tested and tested in real combat conditions, which seriously increases its combat effectiveness.

        Unfortunately, a very decent combat helicopter. The exchange of information and UAV control will allow the helicopter to attack ground targets hiding behind the landscape.
    2. Ferrum_34
      Ferrum_34 30 October 2012 14: 53
      +3
      I don’t agree, the Apache is a run-in machine, and the very scale of the purchase of equipment makes you think. the staff of our aviation regiments is ancient * crocodiles * mi-24, and the new turntables are delivered * nano * -doses (excuse me for the joke) ... just this * NANOlub * today Dima came to Perm.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 30 October 2012 17: 01
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      nothing new.
      Well, MI-35 deserves the same ...
      It’s cheaper to update the old, but well-proven than to make another stealth-style van der wafer.
      1. CRONOS
        CRONOS 30 October 2012 22: 31
        0
        Hmm ... so maybe we don't have to fence helicopters at all, but it would be cheaper to upgrade a horse-drawn chariot? What? A proven and tested "technique" for thousands of years. Yes, in the "stealth" mode it is easy to disguise it, covered it with shit and showered it with bushes on top and woo-alakhren you will find, and if you find it, you will come up with figs. laughing
        But seriously, it can be rolled back to the Stone Age, constantly upgrading the proven old, instead of introducing a new, albeit thorny. wink
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 23: 21
          0
          Quote: CRONOS
          But seriously, it can be rolled back to the Stone Age, constantly upgrading the proven old, instead of introducing a new, albeit thorny.

          Americans are introducing new things. Here is a link to the video http://www.yapfiles.ru/show/134765/031f91cd852985ae36cc1da61744c4d2.flv.html, the speed of the turntable is almost 500 km / h
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 23: 24
            0
            Видео надеюсь станет[media=http://www.yapfiles.ru/show/134765/031f91cd852985ae36cc1da61744c4d2
            .flv.html]
    4. rumpeljschtizhen
      rumpeljschtizhen 31 October 2012 20: 08
      0
      I’ll say as a designer. Apache’s appearance is much more aggressive than Mi-28n’s
      Yes, and he is more beautiful
  3. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 30 October 2012 14: 11
    -1
    Does the new option have pilot protection against DShK and small-caliber guns?
    Or, as before, one turn of the DShK into the cockpit is enough to end the battle.
    1. iwind
      iwind 30 October 2012 14: 23
      0
      Leha e-mine, I think not, and it is unlikely to be. We have a different concept developed by attack helicopters. At Apache, the goal is to stick out the radar or already get target designation from an unmanned aerial vehicle - to launch missiles (shot and forgot) and fly away.
    2. tommytros
      tommytros 30 October 2012 14: 47
      +3
      Cabin armor and glazing can only withstand a single 12,7 mm bullet. The queue from the DShK and DShKM will be enough to guarantee that the helicopter is left without a crew.
  4. strannik595
    strannik595 30 October 2012 14: 23
    +7
    how Russian helicopters are born (children under 16 are forbidden ...) wassat , but seriously, we also have a very good scientific and production groundwork (JSC Kamov (Lyubertsy), the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, Kazan Helicopter Plant), we are also riveting
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 30 October 2012 15: 20
      +3
      Quote: strannik595
      (JSC "Kamov" (Lyubertsy), Moscow Helicopter Plant named after M. L. Mil, Kazan Helicopter Plant), also riveted


      And Rosvertol?
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 30 October 2012 17: 19
        +1
        ahhh ... for sure! Comrade General, thanks for the tip wink
    2. CRONOS
      CRONOS 30 October 2012 22: 35
      0
      But what about Arsenyev's "Progress"?
  5. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 30 October 2012 14: 23
    +1
    "But I don't care" - a song about hares. However, hares are far from living in Russia. I recommend reading the great news from ours, alaverdi so to speak.
    "The automated control system for attack aircraft" Metronome "has been successfully tested". http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/24358/
    According to my personal feelings, Mi-28 is BETTER.
    1. Joker
      Joker 30 October 2012 14: 49
      +6
      MI-28 is still wildly raw, they still don’t put radars, everything that leaves the plants is all without it, secondly, the engine is too weak for such a helicopter, poor armament, and most importantly, to put something new now with today's engine, you have to then remove, control is possible only by the pilot, the operator does not have such an opportunity, unlike the Apache or KA-52, compared to the KA-52 less accurate gun.
      1. Joker
        Joker 30 October 2012 15: 06
        +1
        Conclusion, it was necessary not to give in to Milevsky lobbyists and to buy Kamov cars, KA-50, KA-52, here they are a cut above MI-28 and can already seriously compete with Apache. As for the KA-50, the pilots say it’s all nonsense that they say it’s hard for one to fly and shoot at the same time, the KA-50 has a wonderful self-propelled gun that facilitates the work of the pilot, the KA-50 is much better in maneuverability than the MI-28 and KA-52, you just have to say Thank you to the Milevsky guys for pushing MI-28 and leaving the KA-50 unsuccessfully, if they hadn’t bought KA-50-52 now. It seems they want to start production of the KA-50, but not exactly that, because all the KA-50 machines have recently been modernized. Judging by the purchase figures, the MO also understood all this in the next order. KA-52 will be more than MI-28.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 23: 34
          0
          Quote: Joker
          Conclusion, it was necessary not to give in to Milevsky lobbyists and to buy Kamov cars

          Both cars are wonderful but raw, you need to work a lot, drive up to 20 years of stagnation.
          1. Mi-28-if you remove the ancient, mid-20th century, cabin and create a modern, with the latest electronic technology, it will become 500 kg lighter, you also need to improve the engines.
          Both the Mi-28 and the Ka-52 will have their own niche on the battlefield, both concepts need to be developed.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 30 October 2012 23: 44
            0
            I like this photo
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 31 October 2012 10: 51
          0
          The Ka-50 project is closed, only Ka-52 remains
      2. USNik
        USNik 30 October 2012 15: 44
        +3
        MI-28 wildly raw yet
        So now its brought modifications of 28H fly.
        too weak engine for such a helicopter
        Even Wikipedia knows more: Mi-28N 2pcs 2500 by 2700ls weight 8095, Native American-D long bow 2pcs T700-GE-701C by 1890ls weight 5352, total power of the Night Hunter is ABOVE.
        Compared to the KA-52, a less accurate gun.

        Yes? And the men do not even know! The guns are completely identical to the 2A42, and just the 52 has more problems because of the lateral placement, and a return of one and a half tons spins the car, while the mi28 has its center and accuracy, respectively.
        In general, only war can show the superiority of 1 car over 2.
        1. Joker
          Joker 30 October 2012 15: 59
          +2
          So now its brought modifications 28H fly

          Where? You look at the photo, that everything leaves the factory without a radar, and modification H comes from a sub-radar hi
          Even Wikipedia knows more: Mi-28N 2pcs 2500 by 2700ls weight 8095, Native American-D long bow 2pcs T700-GE-701C by 1890ls weight 5352, total power of the Night Hunter is ABOVE.

          You something confused wink Wikipedia data AH-64 Block III - propeller blades made of composite materials, T700-GE-701D engines (2000 hp)
          In addition, the complaint about the engine is not from me but from the pilots, they’d better know, right? hi
          Yes? And the men do not even know! The guns are completely identical to the 2A42, and just the 52 has more problems because of the lateral placement, and a return of one and a half tons spins the car, while the mi28 has its center and accuracy, respectively.

          In MI-28, the gun moves, and in KA-52 it is inactive, which simplifies the attachment design by reducing recoil, the gun on MI-28 is advanced forward, and in KA-52 back, which improves the distribution of recoil. I’m neither a pilot nor a combat pilot, here’s a forum for you, where all this is painted in detail by real pilots and designers hi if you are interested of course. http://vertoletciki.ru/
          1. USNik
            USNik 30 October 2012 17: 41
            0
            modification of H precisely with the supra-muzzle radar and goes

            You are mistaken, my friend. version with radar, planned for adoption goes under the index mi-28NМ.
            the engine claim is not from me but from the pilots

            Please provide a reference to the claims of the pilots / technicians to the Mi-28N engine, I did not find it, although it’s not banned in Google.
            In MI-28, the gun moves, and in KA-52 it is inactive, which simplifies the mounting design by reducing recoil, the gun on MI-28 is advanced forward, and in KA-52, which improves the distribution of recoil.

            No, men still don’t know ... for example, combat pilot-general V. Pavlov, who passed the Afghan on Mi-24, speaks of Mi-28:
            In terms of weapons, the great advantage of the "Night Hunter" is its movable cannon, from which you can fire not only sideways, but even back! Moreover, one of the pilots - the commander - can shoot from it with the help of a helmet-mounted sight that synchronizes the gun with his gaze.
            At ka-50 \ 52, the gun works in the range of -4 +30 degrees, you’ll be sober.
            In general, here's an alternative view of the Black Shark in general.
            http://www.oboronprom.ru/news/kakoi-boevoi-vertolet-nam-nuzhen

            And in general, the conversation seemed to be about Apache? Read the performance characteristics of his multi-barrel spit, which many respected people, including the helicopter site, are likely to consider an automatic grenade launcher, due to its disgusting range and projectile flight path.
            1. Joker
              Joker 30 October 2012 17: 46
              +1
              The conversation was not about Apache but about MI-28 hi I gave you a link to the site, there is a mountain to those where all this is discussed hi
              1. USNik
                USNik 30 October 2012 18: 04
                +1
                drinks read frets, but mi 28 is still a good car!
                1. Joker
                  Joker 30 October 2012 18: 23
                  0
                  Yes, I won’t say that it’s good drinks , but it’s still damp, it would be necessary to run it somewhere, for example, to throw a couple of pieces into Syria, let them give feedback later, and we will finalize it. But still, KA-50-52 is the best drinks
            2. vanya
              vanya 30 October 2012 20: 19
              0
              and who, and most importantly how will aim and shoot back?
            3. Sergh
              Sergh 30 October 2012 23: 04
              +1
              Quote: USNik
              In general, here's an alternative view of the Black Shark in general.
              http://www.oboronprom.ru/news/kakoi-boevoi-vertolet-nam-nuzhen

              I read this little article, I spat at all, the order was getting fat, especially at the end about the "horse and saber", where the obzat: "There is an exit!".
        2. Jin
          Jin 30 October 2012 16: 27
          0
          Quote: USNik
          Even Wikipedia knows more: Mi-28N 2pcs 2500 by 2700ls weight 8095, Native American-D long bow 2pcs T700-GE-701C by 1890ls weight 5352, total power of the Night Hunter is ABOVE.


          I won’t argue, but despite this, the speed of Longbow is higher than that of 28N, but here it is still increased!
        3. Blat
          Blat 30 October 2012 16: 42
          +5
          Engine type: turboshaft
          Model: Motor Sich VK-2500-02 [24]
          Power: [38]
          in emergency mode: 2700 liters. with.
          on take-off mode: 2200 l. p. [24]
          on cruise mode: 1500 l. s.ne cunning comrade about power. despite the fact that mi 28 is one and a half times heavier than empty Apache
          On March 24, 2003, broadcasters around the world showed a video of Iraqi television: AH-64 lying on the ground, surrounded by Iraqis. Official Baghdad announced that the peasants managed to shoot down two helicopters [16], one of which was shot down by the peasant Ali Obeid Mangash with his hunting rifle. It was argued that the marksman received the order and the monetary reward appointed by Saddam Hussein for the downed US helicopter - 50 million dinars (about 20 thousand dollars) [17]. However, after the end of active hostilities, journalists from the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai Al-Am found Mangash and learned that in reality he had received neither an order nor money. On the morning of March 24, he found an abandoned American helicopter in his field (one of the Apaches shot down during a raid on the positions of the Medina division) and reported the find to the authorities. He was instructed to tell the visiting film crew that he had shot down the helicopter with a gun, which was a good propaganda move [18] [19]. The helicopter crew was subsequently found and taken prisoner. This story became an "urban legend", which still has some distribution on the Internet.
        4. Eraser
          Eraser 30 October 2012 20: 12
          +2
          Mi-28N 2pcs VK-2500 at 2700ls

          2,5 minute power mode at one
          idle engine (Н = 0, Мп = 0, МСА + 15 ° С):
          Horsepower (kW) 2700 (1985)
          it’s not fair for the sloness to take such a single engine mode for comparison, Apache is more thrust-armed compared to MI-28, even in version D, not to mention version E.
      3. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 30 October 2012 17: 11
        +1
        The gun is like a gun. The same as on the Ka-50 and Ka-52 - 30 mm automatic artillery system 2A42. Simple, reliable. It was mastered by manufacturers and has long been known in the troops from the most positive side ... By the way, one of the best in its class ...
        Another thing is that the accuracy of its firing from a Mi-28N helicopter is four times lower than when firing (with the same gun !!!) from Ka-50/52 series helicopters, and three times lower than that of the Apache. .. But here I must say that the artillery system on the American turntable is obviously weaker than ours with all the consequences that follow from this fact, somehow recoil ...

        This is another counterargument for those who believe that small arms and cannons on attack helicopters should always be placed in rotary installations located in the bow of the airframe. And also for those who believe that the Mi-28N has an advantage over the Ka-52 because of the rotary gun ...
      4. Kir
        Kir 30 October 2012 17: 37
        0
        Quote: Joker
        from Apache or KA-52, compared with the KA-52 less accurate gun.

        And almost 50 times compared with the Ka-52/1,5 and XNUMX compared to the Apache due to the location near the center of mass
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 30 October 2012 14: 31
    +6
    Yes, the Americans do not stand still ... Almost seven hundred new turntables. And these are only preliminary calculations. It is possible that the number of purchased AN-64E in the foreseeable future will be increased ...
    However, there is something to ponder ...
    1. Kars
      Kars 30 October 2012 14: 37
      +6
      690 AH-64E helicopters and will replace the old Apaches with them

      There is also an option to release to the market .. old .. Apache at dumping prices, gifts and so on.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 30 October 2012 16: 52
        +1
        Most likely, it will be so ... And in light of the winning "Apache" Indian tender, the number of candidates wishing to possess it will only increase ...
    2. Joker
      Joker 30 October 2012 14: 50
      0
      I wonder if we have enough missiles for them all? sad
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 30 October 2012 15: 39
        +1
        Quote: Joker
        missiles enough for all of them?


        Oleg, good afternoon. I don’t remember who, I don’t know a fairy tale or not, but someone also brought down the vaunted flying equipment from a rifle.
        1. Joker
          Joker 30 October 2012 16: 58
          0
          Good afternoon hi Yes, this scum on us will not climb out in the open, they will peel from afar. Although who will let them do it)))
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 30 October 2012 20: 34
      0
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Almost seven hundred new percussion turntables. And these are only preliminary calculations. It is possible that the number of purchased AN-64E in the foreseeable future will be increased ...

      Americans always put marketing at the forefront, for example, they didn’t do raptors for example 700pcs, 10 pieces of zumwalt were used up, the car was certainly good, but circumstances should be taken into account
  7. UzRus
    UzRus 30 October 2012 15: 05
    0
    While one Ministry of Defense, headed by a former director of a furniture store, is doing something that does not want to be written for reasons of tact, another Ministry of Defense is doing what it should, by definition, do - increase the country's defense capability. Hmm ...
  8. prototype
    prototype 30 October 2012 15: 12
    +3
    Reptiles are getting ready for something! This is not 20-30 things so to maintain our trousers, like ours, but we will take the Tsar’s cannon out of the Kremlin, loaded a ton of buckshot, kaaaaak banged and there is nobody in a radius of 10 km, cast iron in Russia at least .. Eat, there is a prototype, we’ll remove the dimensions and make 1800 pieces of 2 for one Apache cheap and cheerful!
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 30 October 2012 20: 36
      0
      Quote: prototype
      This is not 20-30 things so to maintain the pants, as we have

      And where is such faith in their 600pcs?
  9. UI-Spb
    UI-Spb 30 October 2012 15: 24
    0
    At an open competition for the Norwegian Air Force, the Mi-28N beat Apache, despite the pressure of the Amers. So that with Ka-52 Apache can not be compared.
    1. black_eagle
      black_eagle 30 October 2012 15: 42
      0
      And what kind of competition?
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 30 October 2012 16: 11
      +1
      And in the Indian competition, he lost, with as much as 20 points.
  10. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 October 2012 15: 44
    +1
    Cars are certainly good, Apaches. But, as they say, "the battle will show." We need to supply more new products to Syria, for running-in.
  11. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 30 October 2012 15: 53
    0
    The Ka-50 was adopted by special forces, the Ka-52 is purely for the army. Apache and Mi-28 are a bit of a different application. Apache popped out the radar from the shelter, tracked the target, stuck out the whole, launched missiles from the seeker and immediately hid and switched to solve other problems. It is good on rough terrain. In Iraq, in the conditions of flat terrain, they were shot down quite well from heavy machine guns by ordinary infantry units. But the use of the Mi-28 is somewhat different. It seems to go ahead, destroying possible threats for itself in direct line of sight. (In any case, it was planned, because there was no large-scale combat use of our helicopter) In terms of developers, the destruction of manpower and equipment, including and at night, equipping the Mi-28 with night vision devices, but the crews still need to train it in their minds.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 30 October 2012 17: 01
      +3
      Ka-50, aka "Black Shark", has been officially withdrawn from service. The Ka-52 "Alligator" was adopted in place of it. And this event happened at least four years ago ...
      These are the things, dear AIR ZNAK...

      Both the Apache, the Mi-28N, and the Ka-52 were designed for the same "application." These are attack helicopters ... Everything else (like "radar from behind a hillock", "walking ahead and bypassing", etc.) are just nuances and details ... wink
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 30 October 2012 18: 51
        +1
        I would advise those who put a minus to take a greater interest in the history of domestic helicopter construction and the situation in army aviation, coupled with the real use of combat helicopters in real combat operations, and not just stupidly press on the keyboard ... wink ... laughing YYY
        1. Blat
          Blat 30 October 2012 22: 17
          0
          But what can they be taught? They won’t believe that the first USSR attack helicopter is the Mi-24 that appeared as an answer to the American cobra. And due to the fact that it was developed on the basis of the Mi-8, it received some additional options in the form of an airborne compartment. Many consider Apache only a tank destroyer, but few guess that the last letter indicates affiliation. Or it is a support helicopter, or an armored vehicles fighter, or an escort modification
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 30 October 2012 20: 38
      +3
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      .Apach pushed the radar out of the shelter, tracked the target, leaned out all, fired missiles from the seeker and immediately hid and switched to solve other problems

      This is what our helicopters cannot do, and attacking the enemy without entering the affected area is not a trifle
  12. Slevinst
    Slevinst 30 October 2012 16: 02
    0
    who knows about ka 50? they didn’t start buying it because of the possibility of overlapping blades during certain maneuvers, is that true?
    1. urzul
      urzul 30 October 2012 16: 55
      +2
      It will not be released, regarding overlap correctly, eliminated by introducing restrictions on automation.
    2. Joker
      Joker 30 October 2012 17: 00
      0
      No, this is all nonsense, the first samples had it, then they brought it to mind. Everything that is now in service has been modernized at the present time, it seems that it is planned to resume production, but this is all at the level of rumors.
  13. gregor6549
    gregor6549 30 October 2012 16: 15
    +4
    Guys, the issue of Apaches, MI28 and K50 has already been discussed recently and in sufficient detail. Why break a spear every time on the same question? It is now important for Russia to have a titmouse and in sufficient quantities in its hands and not to bother thinking about a "foreign" crane. And so that this serial and not a single tit has no less serial avionics and weapons systems. Riveting a couple of prototypes is not a problem. But equipping your aircraft with real turntables and preparing skillful crews for them is a more difficult task, but much more useful. It also needs to be addressed. To catch up with someone is a matter of little interest and often hopeless. Normal heroes always go around.
    1. Sleptsoff
      Sleptsoff 30 October 2012 16: 34
      0
      Thanks to such maxims, our army is still in the anus. We must take quality, not quantity.
      1. Joker
        Joker 30 October 2012 17: 02
        0
        Judging by your logic, now we should have 10 000 MI-28, and Americans 4 000 expensive but super-sophisticated cars? Only according to the data, even with a massive helicopter we lose to the sophisticated Americans once in 10, in this situation we need to take quality.
        1. Su24
          Su24 30 October 2012 20: 35
          -1
          how many how many thousands?))
          The man simply said that large-scale production is needed. What is the use of a couple of dozen ultra-helicopters?
      2. gregor6549
        gregor6549 30 October 2012 17: 20
        +1
        To take quality, you need to bring your science and industry to a level not inferior to the American one. And this level was not achieved even during the years of the Soviet Union's stagnation. Therefore, all arguments about "fill the tanks with quality" are based on sand. You need to be realistic and be ready for a real war here and now, not there and tomorrow. Only a person who does not understand what kind of ass the industry of Russia has found itself in during the time that has passed since the beginning of perestroika (so that it) can afford to indulge in empty fantasies. By the way, my approach does not run counter to the policy of the Russian government in the development and production of weapons. First, a deep modernization of the samples already tested by life and the supply of these samples in the amount required to meet the needs of the Armed Forces, but for now it is possible to take care of the development of "super duper" weapons without the traditional rush, after which these samples have to be brought to mind for 5 years in parts
        1. Sleptsoff
          Sleptsoff 31 October 2012 17: 46
          0
          What kind of war are you preparing for? If the war will then decide there will be nuclear bombs and not helicopters. Go ahead and play computer toys, where armies fight wall to wall.
      3. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 30 October 2012 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Sleptsoff
        We must take quality, not quantity.

        Quantity is also quality, as one great manager said.
        1. Sleptsoff
          Sleptsoff 31 October 2012 17: 52
          0
          Amount is money that we don’t have or that the defense ministry is stealing.
  14. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 30 October 2012 16: 21
    0
    All this is misinformation! There is a crisis in the usa!
    1. Blat
      Blat 30 October 2012 16: 45
      +2
      during their crisis, a private company launches spaceships to the ISS. they have a type of crisis for the first time. This is a fee for an economy based on post-growth
  15. Check
    Check 30 October 2012 16: 49
    +2
    Sleptsoff,
    In the USA, now "Sandy"
  16. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 30 October 2012 18: 20
    0
    Serial production of AH-64E Apache attack helicopters launched in the USA

    ... With what I can only congratulate our "potential friends"
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 30 October 2012 19: 10
    +2
    The US Army plans to purchase AH-690E 64 helicopters and replace them with the Apaches of the old versions.

    Here are the purchases!
    And ours can not figure it out ........... either buy Alligators, or Night hunters?
    Alligators are expensive! Raw hunters ............ exhausted our MO !!!
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 30 October 2012 19: 43
      +2
      This is our Minister of Defense. And he damn expensive for us ... As for the turntables themselves, then ...
      With a large series, the prime cost of the Ka-52 (which by the way is cheaper than the Apache) will be lower, and the Mi-28N can be brought to mind. There would be a desire for all this ...
      But our MO has no desire headed by its current head. We return to the beginning of the first sentence ...
    2. Su24
      Su24 30 October 2012 20: 38
      -2
      It’s in vain you, we have planned at least 400 attack helicopters until 2020.
  18. Su24
    Su24 30 October 2012 20: 38
    0
    I did not understand, by the way, how the modification of E differs from D.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 30 October 2012 23: 00
      -1
      Quote: Su24
      how modification E differs from D

      Yes, NOTHING, that there are two Amer’s morons, that’s what!
  19. Helizer
    Helizer 31 October 2012 02: 20
    0
    The American helicopter school is bent over. "Kamanch" was closed and nothing new is heard of. I wonder to what letter they will modify "Apache"?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 October 2012 11: 57
      0
      Kamanch replaced UAV