In Ukraine, several largest enterprises pass into state ownership at once

In Ukraine, apparently, a "big nationalization" has begun. The list of enterprises that will become state property includes such giants as Ukrnafta, Ukrtatnafta, Motor Sich, AvtoKrAZ and Zaporizhtransformator.

Tellingly, the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky is a major shareholder in both oil companies. At the moment, the businessman lives in Israel and is in conflict (at least everything is so officially presented) with President Vladimir Zelensky, whom, according to many experts, he brought to power.

Not everything is “clean” with Motor Sich either. At the end of 2020, 56% of the company's shares were acquired by investors from China. However, then the Antimonopoly Committee canceled this deal, which led to a serious conflict between Kyiv and Beijing.

Moreover, Vyacheslav Boguslaev, General Director of Motor Sich, was recently arrested. He is suspected of supplying the company's products, in particular engines for helicopters, to Russia through shell companies.

The owner of "AvtoKrAZ" is Konstantin Zhevago, a Ukrainian oligarch, who was nicknamed "a child prodigy from the outback". He is the youngest billionaire in Europe. He owns about 60 commercial structures and enterprises.

Finally, "Zaporozhtransformator". The owner of the enterprise is the Ukrainian billionaire Konstantin Grigorishin, who was put on the federal wanted list in 2015 by Russian law enforcement agencies, and then on the international wanted list in 2016.

According to the Ukrainian edition, the regulator has already given permission to write off the shares of enterprises from the accounts of the aforementioned individuals in favor of the state.

Whether all this is a struggle with the oligarchs or the appearance of such, time will tell. Some experts believe that these enterprises may eventually end up in the hands of large Western capitalists.

Comments

[Aerodrome]

In Ukraine, several largest enterprises pass into state ownership at once

and what, is it possible to do something like that? we can't here...

[dmi.pris1]

Actually, this is a natural practice in those conditions of hostilities. Why can't we? Probably Zarathustra does not allow

[Geosun]

It is naive to believe that the nationalization of the enterprise will improve its performance. A state enterprise is an enterprise without an owner! If there were effective enterprises under the USSR, then this, as a rule, was an exception. Well, the appointed manager will not take care of him as if he were his own. Apparently everyone has already forgotten how huge queues for imports lined up in the days of the USSR.

[dmi.pris1]

In wartime, this is a necessity. It is necessary to exclude the influence of shareholders, the owner on the work of the enterprise. The owner can, under pressure of circumstances, treachery, paralyze the work of enterprises necessary for defense

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dmi.pris

In wartime, this is a necessity. It is necessary to exclude the influence of shareholders, the owner on the work of the enterprise.

So it is, yes ... Only it is necessary to nationalize and develop strategic enterprises long BEFORE the war, and not DURING the war.

The list of enterprises that will become state property includes such giants as Ukrnafta, Ukrtatnafta, Motor Sich, AvtoKrAZ and Zaporizhtransformator.

There is now one big, useless and good-for-nothing enterprise - "UkrBezsvetneftIgaz"

[Old Horseradish]

"It is naive to believe that the nationalization of the enterprise will improve its performance."
What mushrooms did you eat today? After the oligarchs seized the industry of the USSR, tens of thousands of enterprises were ruined and sold for scrap, etc. The loot was taken to the West and is now fighting against us in the form of weapons from the West in the form of interest. You either really accept fly agarics, or you work for an oligarchy.

[Geosun]

"After the oligarchs seized the industry of the USSR, tens of thousands of enterprises were ruined and sold for scrap, etc." Haven't you wondered why? Who would ever think of selling a profitable enterprise for scrap? The entire economy of the USSR existed thanks to the distribution system and the shortage of everything. Or can you name any company whose products are in demand in other countries? Or can you name a Soviet firm that is known all over the world, except for producers of raw materials and weapons? Of course, it is easier to believe in fairy tales that a state-owned enterprise produces the best products in the world.

[Zadok]

Or can you name any company whose products are in demand in other countries?

yes, the same AvtoVAZ - you don’t have to go far.

[kamakama]

Umm ... One single model, Niva Classic. In terms of combination, cross-country ability - its price has no equal in any banana republics and euro-outback like the Alps, Southern Italy, Prineev, the rest ... If you do not take what is assembled on the Renault platform (that is, it is not Soviet), then piece sales. And, even in Japan there is a club of UAZ Loaf lovers, but again - piece goods
https://rim3.ru/avtonovosti/analiz-rynka/vaz-narastil-eksport-avtomobiley-lada-v-evropu-v-2-5-raza/
Even trucks have a larger turnover in Latin America, but still, the market share is meager

[Zadok]

"Classic" is our time. in the early 90s, Paris was quite a 2108 and 2109 Sputnik. personally saw.

[misha.swetlakov]

I disagree, you don't understand much.

[Consultant]

Quote: Geosun

The entire economy of the USSR existed thanks to the distribution system and the shortage of everything. Or can you name some company whose products are in demand in other countries?..

The main deficit appeared after Brezhnev, in the 80s. Soviet firms, popular all over the world during the Soviet Union: FET cameras, magazines: YUT and TM, Modeler-Constructor; Ikarus, Belaz, Kamaz, Zil, GAZ, many types of drinking mineral water, Stolichnaya vodka, Kazan Optical Plant, civil passenger aircraft of various design bureaus. This is just what I immediately remembered from what is generally known at the moment!
And now you can name at least five Russian companies that produce world-famous civilian non-primary products and are not direct heirs of the USSR?! (I suppose you can do without mentioning Gazprom and other Sibnefts?) You can start with Bosco, with local seasonal popularity at sports competitions, which are often looked at in our direction with a sour face.

[AUL]

Quote: Geosun

A state enterprise is an enterprise without an owner! ... Well, the appointed manager will not take care of him as if he were his own.

If the demand for him is according to the laws of war, it will be better than about his own! Checked!
It would not be bad for us to take an example from the ukrov in this, otherwise our defense enterprises go bankrupt during the war!

[lis-ik]

Quote from AUL

It would not be bad for us to take an example from the ukrov in this, otherwise defense enterprises go bankrupt during the war

We would sooner sign a shameful peace treaty and pay reparations than nationalize our friends' enterprises. That's not what it was all about.

[Klaus8691]

Well, judging by the latest publications in VO, everything is going towards this.

[ramzay21]

A state enterprise is an enterprise without an owner! If there were effective enterprises under the USSR, then this, as a rule, was an exception.

Cool! And why "without an owner" the aircraft plant in Samara prospered, produced dozens of aircraft a year and tens of thousands of people worked on it, but with the "owner" it was bent and does not produce anything? You will not be able to give a single example over the past 30 years of an owner building in our country an enterprise of the level of Norilsk Nickel or the Ulyanovsk aircraft plant.

Apparently everyone has already forgotten how huge queues for imports lined up in the days of the USSR.

This is because oil in the late 80s cost $10 per barrel, not $100 as it is now. You don’t need to sell oil and buy consumer goods in China, but what will you do if oil costs $ 10 and the owners leave for the West with money? Eat each other like in Africa?

[Klaus8691]

Totally agree with you! Now the "owner" is squeezing all the juice out of "his" enterprise without investing in its development.

[Sergey79]

Get history. At least the Russian Empire. Look who made the "February coup". They do everything right in Ukraine ... I wonder if they will start with us? All the same, the "fundamental" enterprises (aviation, defense, machine-tools, etc.) should be under the control of the state.

[former soldier]

It is naive to believe that the nationalization of the enterprise will improve its performance. A state enterprise is an enterprise without an owner! If there were effective enterprises under the USSR, then this, as a rule, was an exception. Well, the appointed manager will not take care of him as if he were his own. Apparently everyone has already forgotten how huge queues for imports lined up in the days of the USSR.

You don't know the topic. The sensible director of a large enterprise or the director of a state farm was practically his sovereign master. Personalities of such magnitude did not revel in foreign rags and videos. They were fascinated by the realization of their own might and power and the assessment of the supreme power of the country. They worked hard, there was fierce competition between them. A major leader was evaluated by his ability to perform strategic tasks. Therefore, during the five-year plans, the largest factories were launched, completely new equipment (mainly of military importance) was produced, entire cities or large areas of cities were built in the shortest possible time. This was their valor and for this they were appreciated. If someone also hit personal well-being, you can’t hide it - everything is in plain sight. Yes, and the little things were and was forgiven.
PS. If these people had been given the task of flooding the country with quality cars better than Western ones and given a private trader to produce consumer goods in competitive quantities, then this would have been implemented.

[your1970]

Quote: Former soldier

PS. If these people were given the task of flooding the country with quality cars better than Western

That is, the heater faucet on the "classic" has been running for 40 years - is this because the task was not set? That is, the plant itself was feng shui - the faucet is flowing and flowing ??

[former soldier]

The goal was quantity, but not quality. If they were betting on quality, then the director personally checked the units in order to avoid flying out of place.

[your1970]

Quote: Former soldier

The goal was quantity, but not quality. If they were betting on quality, then the director personally checked the units in order to avoid flying out of place.

And where did they put on quality ??
Tanks / planes / space and all? But even there there was a carriage of marriage and hack work ...
Everything that was civilian - they took it in quantity - without giving a damn about quality ...

[former soldier]

And where did they put on quality ??
Tanks / planes / space and all? But even there there was a carriage of marriage and hack work ...
Everything that was civilian - they took it in quantity - without giving a damn about quality ...

My answer will be similar. What is being produced right now? In construction? It's funny to even ask. Have cars from Tolyatti become much better in 30 years? Superjet aircraft - the height of perfection?

[former soldier]

It is naive to believe that the nationalization of the enterprise will improve its performance. A state enterprise is an enterprise without an owner! If there were effective enterprises under the USSR, then this, as a rule, was an exception. Well, the appointed manager will not take care of him as if he were his own. Apparently everyone has already forgotten how huge queues for imports lined up in the days of the USSR.

The owner who built the plant with his bones, and therefore knows every nuance of his work, may he appreciate and possibly manage it efficiently. But those who have shown unusual agility in the highest structures of power in order to get ownership of huge factories for practically nothing are unlikely to appreciate it and be able to fully manage it. And if he burns out, he will spit and say: "as it came, so it went"

[Eug]

So maybe they do not declare martial law because it will simply require radical actions that the ruling ones do not dare to take for a number of reasons?

[Tavi]

and what, is it possible to do something like that?

In Ukraine, now everything is possible when you are in power.

[Incvizitor]

Yes, in our country now the West cannot squeeze out big firms through a clown puppet in the presidency.

[Dmitrii]

Yes, our entire defense industry has long been under the treasury. Read on the Internet, the main owner of Rostec. And at the moment there is a nationalization of civilian infrastructure and production.

[Alex92]

You can read on the same site what this Rostec is doing. Goat in the garden

[NA1981]

Nationalization creates more problems than benefits. The state is an extremely inefficient owner.

[Lev Myshkin]

It is better to have an inefficient state than defective managers.

[garrett]

Shariy at the very least spoke about this scam of the century. With motor-sich, everything was already clear, but all the other enterprises with awesome debts and in arbitration courts are already living So it's a great idea to cover the debts at the expense of the budget, and then return the beneficiaries of the enterprise back .... Bingo!

[ZIF122]

Yes, of course there is a redistribution of property in Ukraine! Then they will rewrite everything nationalized for Western helpers!

[Zamira]

Quote: ZIF122

Then they will rewrite everything nationalized for Western helpers!

This is the first thing I thought of.
In fact, everything is logical. The options that Zelensky is either taking revenge on someone there, or trying to increase state revenues, are untenable.
Let's start with the fact that it was not Zelensky who invented it, but his curators.
And why do curators need it? And the curators need this so that they can take at least something from the state, which is currently called "Ukraine", and into which these same curators have pumped an unmeasured amount of money.
If the enterprises belong to Kolomoisky, Akhmetov, or some other Papondopule thread, then they can send these same curators through the forest and say that they owe nothing to anyone. And Zelensky cannot send anyone from the word "no way."
So it turns out that if the state "Ukraine" in any form remains on the map, then it will be in the undivided property of the West. That's the whole scheme.

Well, in the event that the state "Ukraine" ceases to exist and its territory passes under the jurisdiction of Russia, then ... - well, I don’t understand much here, but I think that this alleged state property will be the lever on which the West will try hard to press in order to return their hard-earned money.

[Alex92]

Precisely, the nationalization of enterprises will ultimately benefit third countries by paying for countless aid packages.

[Elissa Mare]

I totally agree. Ukraine is already in debt for three generations, so they will slowly begin to pay

[svp67]

Whether all this is a struggle with the oligarchs or the appearance of such, time will tell.

In this case, this is the transfer of industry to mobilization "rails". The right decision. And we are all "telesya" ... Well, you can't do that

[bobba94]

I strongly disagree, namely, - the word "calling" is written through "and". We check: what to do? Calve.....

[svp67]

Quote: bobba94

Strongly disagree, that is,

Well, I agree. The main thing is that there is no disagreement on the first points

[Uprun]

They will squeeze it out of their own, for debts they will rewrite it on imported ones, business is something ..... It worked out with the land .....

[Invoce]

As an example of the fact that the Anglo-Saxons have no one else to rob, except for the Ukrainian aligarhs. The entire history of the development of the states of the Western world is built on the plundering (robbery) of the resources of the third world countries. And finally it came true! Steal what was stolen. The serpent Ouroboros eats itself. They began to tear down the property of "their" subjects. But someone has to pay for the American banquet! Amer. orders VPK.
Although it started with Russian oligarchs, Russian accounts in foreign jurisdictions, but Russia has always collected its debts! What happens when the tail is eaten? There is another organ, it can also be chopped into pieces (pyataki) ...

[Buyan]

Fly in, do not be stingy, take away the "painting" ...

[tralflot1832]

Kolomoisha's reaction is interesting, a Jew robbed a Jew. Kolomoisha's chances are preferable, he lives in Israel. And he could donate N amount in the elections recently, for the right candidate. Let's see.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

The reaction of Kolomoishi is interesting, a Jew robbed a Jew.

This is "not according to concepts", for such deeds the Jews are "beaten in the face with candelabra".

[uralex]

If this is true, then Zelensky will be devoured by his own.

[nikto-nikak]

Oh, don't make my shoes laugh... All of the listed enterprises are unprofitable trash with vague prospects, especially vague after the start of the SVO. And yet all these respected people paid taxes and spent their money on maintaining some kind of activity ... They are very effective, and for ZVO (Zelensky Volodimir Oleksandrovich) they effectively solved their problems (with the possibility of further return) for the state. check. Everyone is happy, the performance continues ...

[Thrifty]

And why are these enterprises not yet in ruins? Geraniums are a pity for a good cause, or another agreement between billionaires on the "inviolability of property" ???

[Arkady007]

Bravo Zelenin!
If he does anything else like that, there will be reason to think very hard about who is right in this world.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Tellingly, Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky is a major shareholder in both oil companies.

***
- Capable boy...

***

[APASUS]

The biggest fortunes are made in troubled waters.
Let's go share the loot, but I think Kolomoisky is not the last

[tihonmarine]

Some experts believe that these enterprises may eventually end up in the hands of large Western capitalists.

If they are most likely in the hands of the West, there will be no return from these hands.

[Third district]

In Ukraine, several largest enterprises pass into state ownership at once

Uncle Vova learn from the enemy! And it might go the other way.

[Aviator_]

It, of course, may well be so.

[Vladimir61]

This is not a fight against the oligarchs, but the usual redistribution of property! Previously, the national battalions successfully dealt with this, I select small and medium-sized businesses, now that the Ze group, which is not able to pay off its debt obligations, has resorted to redistribution under the guise of nationalization, it is natural that much will stick to the hands of those close to power structures.

[Alex Nevs]

Not a ze group, but those who manage this group! Group Ze already And it won't help! And here is TEM!

[16112014nk]

We, too, would need to cancel predatory grabbing and carry out nationalization. And as soon as possible. Time does not endure. True, the person on whose decision this depends has already said several times that there will be no revision of the results.

[nemez]

I have been disappointed in him for a long time. Since 2011. There are a lot of words, but deeds say otherwise.

[kakvastam]

That's it, now the Russian oligarchs can sleep peacefully.
We do not want "to be like in Ukraine"!

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Everything is more simple, the oligarchs need to pull out their money, for this they need to get rid of ballast assets, and then someone, on behalf of the state, “nationalizes” an asset that cannot produce anything without electricity and gas, of course there will be tears from the owners of the shares and they, as it were, will not although they will pay a lot of money, the curtain, everyone applauds, everyone is happy, the proletarians are in ecstasy, the bourgeoisie are chewing pineapples and hazel grouse ...

[nemez]

The thief at the thief is called. Nothing new.

[Leonid Tsyganov]

And what will they pay for the weapons received from Uncle Sam, with this one, well, if both he and the country remain alive 404 and so on donkey ears.