Russian military correspondents report a difficult situation in Pavlovka in the Ugledar direction

A very difficult situation has developed in the Ugledar direction, the losses of the 155th Pacific Marine Brigade are reported. fleet in Pavlovka. Ours occupied half of the settlement, ran into the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and got into a fire bag. According to the commander of the battalion "Vostok" Alexander Khodakovsky, the offensive in this direction was premature, but someone made a different decision.

According to military correspondents from the field, Donbass special forces of the OBTF "Kaskad" and marines of the 155th brigade of the Pacific Fleet are now in Pavlovka, moreover, in a fire bag. Hanging over Pavlovka Ugledar, which is literally 1800 meters away, allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to correct artillery fire even without the use of strong optics. The enemy, knocked out from half of the village, managed to pull up reserves and rested, organizing a defense.

The first joy from the fact that the Donbass special forces of the OBTF "Kaskad" went there was replaced by extremely depressing news about the situation of the 155th brigade of the Pacific Fleet. Khodakovsky openly runs into those who planned the operation (no names yet)

writes WarGonzo.

According to information received from the military commander Alexander Sladkov, the situation in Pavlovka is very difficult, the marines cannot reach out to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, they had to turn to the governor of the Primorsky Territory, Oleg Kozhemyaka, in order to sort out the situation through him. Moreover, the command knows about the situation in Pavlovka, but they have not been able to make any decision for several days.

I am not sending a letter. Its essence was transferred to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Original in Primorye. It has been said: great losses, the inability to convey to the top management information about our high useless losses in people and technology. I have the numbers, but then it's up to the Prosecutor General's Office

- Sladkov writes in his TG channel, adding that there are three "loud" names in the letter.

As previously reported, with a strike on Pavlovka, the command wanted to break through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the further encirclement of Ugledar and cutting off the "Ugledar corner". The first reports from this direction were full of optimism, the enemy was retreating, ours occupied half of the village. Further, the enemy pulled up reserves and ours fell into the fire bag.

Comments

[Reptiloid]

Either he "pulled up the reserves", or he planned it that way.

[cold wind]

To understand the situation. Ugledar is located on a hill, Pavlovka is located under it and is completely visible through the optics, both the village itself and the approaches to it. There were rains and the roads were washed out. Accordingly, all our movements take place under artillery and machine-gun fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and are hampered by mudslides.

The order to attack this village is a war crime and was given by a person who is incredibly stupid and / or working for the enemy. However, there have already been a lot of such "offensives".

[TIR]

I agree. There tanks can work on them with direct fire. In reality, this completely pulls on an attack order

[Ryaruav]

maxim, where is our tank brigade, which, yes, with losses, will sweep these 3-4 tank tanks from the hill more

[TIR]

Write smartly. I didn't even get the gist of your comment.

[TIR]

Until the tank reaches the range of using its main gun, these anti-tank systems will burn it out earlier. I hope you are not a military man and not a commander. Otherwise, with such thoughts, all tanks would have lost people long ago

[topol717]

Here we must ask the question, where is our aviation?
Where is our artillery?
Carbon on the Uplands? oh well, the fact that there are no civilians is already clear, there every house is a fortress, TOS-1A, and after that you can occupy this hill.

[Alekseev]

So that tanks and artillery, and MLRS cannot "work by direct fire", there is only one way to counter: work direct (and indirect too,
and aviation, etc.) aiming at them. And the location of Ugledar on some hill, the presence of a waste heap, dirt, this greatly interferes, but not the main thing. The main thing, as far as one can understand, was that they did not gather a group of troops with enough artillery and aircraft to demolish the defenses of the dill there.
Why it happened, and, in general, what exactly is going on there is actually unknown.
War, however. But there is no advance, which means either the enemy is not hit as it should, including reserves and artillery, or there are few attacking troops. Mud will not allow a large-scale offensive to be carried out, to supply large groups, and not to occupy a couple of villages, advancing several kilometers.

[TIR]

Are you out of your mind??? There, only the name remained from Pavlovka. All houses and trenches have long been mixed with the ground. And from Avdiivka, where there are buildings with several floors and basements, you can work with tanks without fear of aviation. Yes, and aviation will not help here - they will shoot down quickly. So those who are in the lowlands and without shelters are really doomed. They can't even leave. Everything is shot through. And there is no way to dig in. Elementary, our people did not sleep there for several days, being under constant fire! Or did you think it was possible to attack Avdiivka from Pavlovka? Yes, there it is simply not possible to collect an assault fist for a throw in order to cling to the city! Knowing all these nuances, you understand that the offensive plan was not drawn up correctly. And that's putting it mildly. The plan was not military at all. So whoever commanded there, he really, if there is a conscience, should take off his shoulder straps

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: TIR

So whoever commanded there, he really, if there is a conscience, should take off his shoulder straps

Surnames are known, positions too .. Remove shoulder straps and under a military field court. And the resonance throughout Russia. But they will rub it, varnish it, cover it. But the dead cannot be returned and the families cannot be explained why? It does not look like a mistake ... Stupidity and the desire for orders and titles. Remove all awards, demote to a contract soldier and put on trial

[Starover_Z]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: TIR

So whoever commanded there, he really, if there is a conscience, should take off his shoulder straps

Surnames are known, positions too .. Remove shoulder straps and under a military field court. And the resonance throughout Russia. But they will rub it, varnish it, cover it. But the dead cannot be returned and the families cannot be explained why? It does not look like a mistake ... Stupidity and the desire for orders and titles. Remove all awards, demote to a contract soldier and put on trial

... And the execution of the court sentence after the end of hostilities, where this person should be at the forefront of the front, with weapons in their hands!

[figwam]

Write about the losses of the brigade killed, wounded, missing about 300 people

[opuonmed]

well, not crazy, not fantasies among our higher warriors along the way if this is true!

[flicker]

Surnames are known, positions too .. Remove shoulder straps and under a military field court

Or just do not smack the fever yet.
Vargonzo refers to Khodakovsky, Sladkov, it seems, too.
Don't believe everything at once.

[poquello]

Quote: flicker

Surnames are known, positions too .. Remove shoulder straps and under a military field court

Or just do not smack the fever yet.
Vargonzo refers to Khodakovsky, Sladkov, it seems, too.
Don't believe everything at once.

namely, as Voltaire wrote, “a commander needs a cold head and a warm heart”, but for clean hands, which, according to Plutarch, should be inherent in a commander, these generals will probably be considered

[flicker]

as Voltaire wrote, “a military leader needs a cold head and a warm heart”

Absolutely true, only Voltaire "seems" not to know that "couch commanders" would appear, who also need to have a cool head no less than field commanders.

these generals will probably be considered

I think so.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: flicker

Absolutely true, only Voltaire "seems" not to know that "couch commanders" would appear, who also need to have a cool head no less than field commanders.

why does the "couch commander" need a cold head when he has a flaming ass, which he apparently thinks.

[flicker]

why does the "couch commander" need a cold head when he has a flaming ass, which he apparently thinks

Well, so that the sofa does not burst into flames. And then he will cause such a pogrom that already at the front they will begin to worry about the rear)

[Andrey the Magnificent]

Here is the full text of the letter from the Marines
In general, evil tongues claim (and a number of major channels publish) that an open letter from the fighters of the 155th marine brigade of the Russian Pacific Fleet addressed to the governor of Primorsky Krai, which many respected colleagues posted without numbers and surnames, in the original looks like this:

"Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are turning to you. Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General Muradov and his fellow fellow countryman Akhmedov in order for Muradov to earn bonuses over Gerasimov, and Muradov promised Akhmedov "Hero of Russia." As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great commanders", we lost about 4 people killed, wounded and missing in 300 days. 50 percent of the equipment. This is only our brigade.

The command of the district, together with Akhmedov, hide this and underestimate the official figures of losses, fearing responsibility. How they were going to capture the settlement, slipping through the landings, in which the enemy remained, now destroying ours on the routes of evacuation of the wounded and the supply of ammunition. In addition, Pavlovka is lower than Ugledar, from which they hit us. Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorye people! How long will such mediocrity as Muradov and Akhmedov plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people.

They don't care about anything, just to show themselves. They call people meat. We ask you to turn to the Supreme to send a commission not from the Ministry of Defense, where Muradov is protected by Gerasimov, but an independent one. Let them be asked the purpose of such actions, their provision and the results without embellishment. How much can you endure!"

[flicker]

Here is the full text of the letter from the Marines

What many pay attention to
- "marines of the 155th brigade marines."
- "As a result, we Marines of Kamchatka advancing on Pavlovka"
Write to Oleg Kozhemyako Official governor of Primorsky Krai.
Marines of Kamchatka to the governor of Primorsky Krai?!

Here's what they clarify on the Internet: "this 155 brigade Marine Corps of the Pacific Fleet (location Vladivostok, Primorsky Territory) "Marines of Kamchatka" - this is the 40th separate brigade of the Marine Corps Pacific Fleet (location of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Kamchatka Territory)"

Original publication source: https://politikus.info/v-rossii/147963-9889-chto-proizoshlo-v-pavlovke-pod-ugledarom.html
Politicus.info
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What is interesting, both Sladkov and Kozhemyako are giving back, they say everything is not so dramatic, they say we will find out, etc., etc.
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At the beginning, drive a negative wave, and then we will find out.
Maybe at the beginning to find out, and only then raise the wave?

[poquello]

Quote: flicker

What is interesting, both Sladkov and Kozhemyako give back, they say everything is not so dramatic,

Steshin went there -
“All day I was 2,5 km away from this e*** Pavlovka. For the day, according to the totality of the shooting battle, it was at most 30 minutes. The artillery worked, the dill answered - five times per daylight hours. Somewhere to the left of us fell. It didn’t look like a battle, where fighters stand knee-deep in the blood of 300 comrades.
Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1667801306

[SergLivi]

Which side of Pavlovka is to Avdiivka? Where is Pavlovka, and where is Avdiivka?

[ZIF122]

Yes, well, this is how much you can already! My countrymen are dying there and no one is responsible for anything and does not make adequate quick decisions! Reveal all the guilty and under the tribunal!

[flicker]

Reveal all the guilty and under the tribunal!

It looks like these buzzers were reminded of this. And immediately other statements came from Khodakovsky, Sladkov and Kozhemyako.

[ananias mudishev]

And why then at all? aviation if they are afraid to work

[Mikulich]

You still do not understand? There is nothing more to send.

[Fisherman]

time and debriefing will show .... dill also howl what kind of ass they have there! This is a war....

[Hitriy Zhuk]

If they are at a "height", why not sprinkle them with hail / hurricanes?

[Thrifty]

In my opinion, you can get through to ours if you call the Ministry of Emergencies ...

[Zamira]

Quote: Thrifty

In my opinion, you can get through to ours if you call the Ministry of Emergencies ...

It made sense to call the Ministry of Emergency Situations when Zinichev was there. Now I don't know who...

[ism_ek]

Quote from cold wind

Ugledar is on a hill,

Excuse me, on what such "hill" is Ugledar?
There is a mine and a waste heap. From them, the neighborhood is visible for tens of kilometers. They had to be captured (destroyed) in the first place. Actually in the spring they stumbled over them and the Uludar ledge exists because of them.

[ramzay21]

Everything is simple. Sladkov writes about generals Muradov and Akhmedov, who threw the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet into the fire bag, which has already suffered and continues to suffer heavy and unjustified losses.
General Muradov (VVO), in order to earn bonuses in front of the Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov, who is protecting him, promised his countryman the commander of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet, General Akhmedov, the Hero of Russia, and they developed an offensive operation in which the Marines slipped past the forest plantations to Pavlovka and now they are being beaten from the towering Ugledar and from of these forest plantations.
The losses suffered by the Marines in these battles, General Akhmedov and the command of the district are hiding for fear of responsibility, and people continue to die in a mediocre operation.
From the very beginning of this operation, Khodakovsky wrote that this was madness and such an offensive had already taken place in the summer, as a result of which many marines were killed or captured in Pavlovka. But generals Muradov and Akhmetov don't give a damn about people, they consider them meat.

[barclay]

Quote: ramzay21

General Muradov (VVO), in order to earn bonuses in front of the chief of the General Staff Gerasimov, who is protecting him, promised his fellow countryman the commander of the 155th Marine Corps Brigade of the Pacific Fleet, General Akhmedov, the Hero of Russia and ...

How familiar... These ...th m...kov will be removed by force, even hardly demoted, and no one will return the lives of selected soldiers.
It would be better to sit on the defensive than to bear such stupid losses.
And where is our commander of the NWO? Did this stupidity disagree with him?

[ramzay21]

These ... m ... kov will be removed from the force, they are unlikely to be demoted, and no one will return the lives of selected soldiers.

You are right, they will be transferred to other positions at most. For example, Admiral Osipov, who ruined the Black Sea Fleet, is now teaching young people, General Chaiko, who ruined the elite of the RF Armed Forces near Kyiv, was transferred to Syria, another mediocrity and embezzler of the rear of the RF Armed Forces, General of the Army Bulgakov, was made chief inspector. All these creatures continue to spoil and eat well, eat well and spoil, and all at our expense.

[ism_ek]

The plan, as far as I understand, is to capture the buildings of the mines Yuzhnodonbasskaya 1 and 3 with a lightning throw. But something went wrong. The Marines lingered in Pavlovka. Not enough units were allocated for clearing the forest belts and Pavlovka itself. And these are not the same Marines that started the campaign in the winter.
Why it was not possible to approach Yuzhnodonbasskaya 3 is unclear. Khodorovsky was not there.
Back on October 31, in a discussion at the VO of these events, I wrote that the offensive should be stopped, but you know how many minuses they slammed. It is not necessary to hang the responsibility only on the generals. Those who foam at the mouth wrote all this week wrote that only forward is also to blame for what is happening now. You can't just leave Pavlovka just like that. The front will collapse, and there Volnovakha ... Mariupol ... It’s not enough to call Lapin, who restored the front on Oskol.
Ukrainians understand this very well and are building up their strength. Marines - just hold on. This is war. The command to quickly pull up reserves.

[Kronos]

Well, what's the point of keeping them if they are simply destroyed there? Throw reinforcements from the mobilized, so that they are put down?

[ism_ek]

Quote: Kronos

Well, what's the point of keeping them if they are simply destroyed there?

They spent the spring and summer in this Pavlovka without much loss. Yes, they were knocked out of there by a cavalry swoop. Can you explain to me what has changed since the summer? Yes, the Ukrainians concentrated on Pavlovka the main blow, but this is not a reason to run.
In the Svatovsky direction, the same losses. These are war guys.

[Kronos]

If there is no strength to hold on, then people will simply be killed, and then they will leave anyway. This already happened when the Ukrainian fortifications near Donetsk were stormed 2 times, putting people down and not achieving success.

[ism_ek]

Now they can leave without equipment and heavy weapons. Those. there is no talk of any defense on the former lines. At the same time, units located to the east should also withdraw.
Fresh units and, preferably, not mobilized, should come to the former lines of defense.
If the Marines just leave now, the Ukrainians will immediately break through to Volnovakha and the front will crumble according to the Kharkov scenario of 2022 or 1942, it doesn’t matter.
I won't be surprised that the story with the letter is the creation of Ukrainian propagandists.

[Kronos]

From the first day, Khodakovsky spoke directly about heavy losses, so that the situation was not invented.

[Molten]

I won't be surprised that the story with the letter is the creation of Ukrainian propagandists.

Well, yes, we are all immortal there. It’s only for some 2000 people per day that they die with a bang, but here we can’t lose 300 people, yeah ..

[ramzay21]

These are war guys.

This is not a war, this is a crime. And you don’t need to have seven spans in your forehead to understand what to enter a fortified area over which the enemy hangs and which has long been shot down by their artillery and on the flanks there are forest plantations that have not been cleared. Although this is a normal practice for rams-order bearers, there are no brains at all.
Even 70 years ago, Zhukov and Rokossovsky used such modern types of combat as breaking through the enemy’s defenses in suitable directions, introducing motorized units into the breakthrough and entering the operational space, followed by encirclement of the enemy.

And to fight with your head in the forehead, like three hundred years ago, in the fortifications of the enemy, this is insanity and a crime, which our order-bearing sheep successfully do, and none of these creatures have either the courage or the brain to stop wasting the priceless lives of our soldiers.

[ratoborets]

But something went wrong.

It's amazing what can go wrong. After all, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are stupid and cannot guess about the advantages or disadvantages of geography, and they simply accidentally equipped firing positions in Ugledar on a hill, and from Pavlovka, which is on a lowland, they so easily partially retreated and let them occupy half of Pavlovka, because they were stupid and incapable, and not because it is convenient to hit Russian marines from equipped firing points on hills.

I hope you understand that everything written above is sarcasm for your comment. To some military leaders (in this case, Muradov) it's time to stop treating the AFU as stupid fools, and take the enemy seriously.

[ism_ek]

Yes you are right. It is necessary, like on the Kursk Bulge, a bunch of lines of defense, a reserve front ...

[aglet]

"It's time for some military leaders (in this case, Muradov) to stop treating the Armed Forces of Ukraine as stupid fools, and take the enemy seriously."
and some supreme commanders should stop treating the Muradovs, Surovikins, Shoigu and Gerasimovs as skillful generals, and simply fire them without a pension. and put colonels in their place, smarter. Surely there are some. and if not, write out from China, everything is on Alibaba

[storm]

Marines - just hold on. This is war.

Adviser, go and hold out for a week near Pavlovskaya with the Marines...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: ramzay21

From the very beginning of this operation, Khodakovsky wrote that this was madness and such an offensive had already taken place in the summer, as a result of which many marines were killed or captured in Pavlovka. But generals Muradov and Akhmetov don't give a damn about people, they consider them meat.

Even in war there is a place for humor

. - This is not humor, this is the unfunny truth

[Kaufman]

The event is resonant. Measures must be taken.

[ZIF122]

Remove Muradov and Akhmedov and bring them to trial by a military tribunal! Take the fighters from Experienced under the cover of artillery fire and aviation!

[storm]

But generals Muradov and Akhmetov don't give a damn about people, they consider them meat.

In our army, the generals are solid guest workers ...
Let them go in command of the national battalions, there, for such sacrifices, the "countrymen" will quickly impale them on a skewer ....

[Deon59]

As the Marines of the Pacific Fleet themselves wrote, 4 people died in 300 days. Muradov and Akhmedov were in command.

[sadam2]

Quote from Deon59

As the Marines themselves wrote

if elite marines scribble complaints, it becomes alarming when mobilized rotations arrive in their places ...

[ALARI]

What rotation give at least to the required amount to replenish. We, as in the Horde, go home only after the victory, well, or ....

[Rome]

The supporting forces are not enough at all! The counter-battery fight is lame, there is probably no kamikaze UAV at all? If they slipped through the forest belt and now they get money from there, then it looks like a raid, without the second echelon, which was supposed to clear the forest belt!
The raid turned out to be a gamble, what prompted you to take such a step? Underestimation of the enemy? The mistake of the commanders on the front line, who lacked decisiveness in the attack?

[Abbot]

Quote from cold wind

under artillery and machine-gun fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and hampered by mud

One remark: you twice refer to the weather conditions, they say, muddy roads and washed out roads. Well, but these same conditions should affect the enemy - it is indicated "he managed to pull up reserves and rested, organizing defense." Mudslide apparently does not interfere with them. Actually, I'm interested in something else. The Marines of the 155th Brigade also fortified themselves, took up defenses and pulled over reserves and artillery, right? This means that in the other direction there were no these reserves and artillery. Perhaps those loudly shouting about the lack of a plan and criminal orders are simply marking time in their direction, to the same Ugledar. Because of what, the actions of the Marines in Pavlovka are depreciated, which is what the military correspondents report.

[Oden280]

The order to attack was given by General Muradov and his assistant and countryman General Akhmedov. The Marines directly wrote about this in their letter. There's a lot more out there for anyone to find and read. And Muradov, even in Karabakh, lit up with his inadequate command. And he negotiated very well with dill in the commission.

[AG-76]

"Strategists" planning such failed "operations" must be demoted to the rank and file and sent to the front line

[Kronos]

Of course, you can shut up and die silently, but then you won’t see victory.

[Sevastiec]

“Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. The Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you.
Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General M. and his corefan countryman A. in order for M. to earn bonuses in front of the Chief of the General Staff, and A. comrade M. promised the Hero of Russia.

As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great generals", we lost about ... people in 4 days killed, wounded and missing. ... percent of technology. This is just our team.

The command of the district, together with A., hide this and take the official figures of losses for fear of responsibility.

How they were going to capture the settlement by slipping through the landings, in which the enemy remained now destroying ours on the evacuation routes of the wounded and the supply of ammunition. In addition, Pavlovka is lower than Ugledar, from which they beat us.

Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorye people! How long will such mediocrity as M. and A. plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people.

They don't care about anything just to show themselves. They call people meat.

We ask you to turn to the Supreme Commander so that they send a commission not from the Ministry of Defense, where M. protects G., but an independent one.

Let them be asked the purpose of such actions, their provision, and the results without embellishment.
How much can you endure!”

[Prosha]

How they were going to capture the settlement by slipping through the landings in which the enemy remained now destroying ours on the evacuation routes of the wounded and the supply of ammunition

It's strange, but who was supposed to take care of these very forest plantations, if not the commander, who directly skips these very forest plantations ??? Maybe someone canceled the logic by higher decrees?

[solar]

who was supposed to take care of these very forest plantations, if not the commander

A.- this is their commander.

Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General M. and his corefan countryman A. in order for M. to earn bonuses in front of the Chief of the General Staff, and A. comrade M. promised the Hero of Russia.

[Prosha]

Those. the platoon and company commanders pass "hard" (light), but let the commanders-in-chief "clean up the tails"? An original tactic, don't you think?

[solar]

Do you think A. is the commander in chief? You are wrong.

[41 REGION]

Quote: Sevastiec

As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of a "carefully" planned offensive by "great generals"

There are no words, take two, we have one "great commander"
already guarded so that relatives and friends would not break.

[storm]

Everything goes to the fact that the regiments and battalions, angry with the deceit, stupidity and mediocrity of the generals, will deploy tanks from the Donbass to Moscow in order to receive the promised payments and achieve the removal and punishment of the mediocre command of the Ministry of Defense ....

[Sanichsan]

please link where did you get this text from? Definitely not at Sladkov's. this cunning fox wrote that the letter would not be published.

[Sevastiec]

Shari's.

The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Sevastiec

Shari's.

so Shariy ukrobot are foreign! you would also refer to Denisova with stories about raped children and a parrot.
this is what we get ... Sladkov, sitting in the Mineral Waters, based on a letter from Sharia's channel (Sladkov himself did not publish this game), breeds kipish and immediately jumps off. say all the rules already. By the way, you are relaying all this ...
Steshin, who is at the scene, says that everything is normal and that this is bullshit about the loss of 300 people.
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reports that for 10 days of participation of the 155th brigade in the attack on Pavlavka, the losses amounted to 18 irretrievable people, with more than 200 confirmed irretrievable from the Ukrainian side.
do you propose to believe Shariy and Sladkov?
PS
but it's good that you tied up Sharia with Sladkov. so it’s clearer where the hooves and heels are sticking out.

[Sevastiec]

Poor Shari. In Ukraine, he is considered a Russian propagandist, in Russia, a ukrobot. Do I understand correctly that you have never heard of him? It was HE who uncovered Denisov in lies, for your information. And only then, it was picked up by the Russian media.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Sevastiec

Do I understand correctly that you have never heard of him?

no, not right. I listened and that is why I perceive it in a strictly defined way. some of his collaborations with Dud are worth something.

Quote: Sevastiec

It was HE who uncovered Denisova in lies

# facespalm
without him, Denisova would definitely not have been coped with. in the same place, you need to try so hard to figure out that she is lying as she breathes ... nevertheless, it is so ambiguous there .. almost like with Shariy himself ...
I got carried away, sorry. in short, Shariy was caught no less than Denisova on lies and stuffing. all its difference is that there is no one to fire him, if only the channel is blocked, but this is unlikely.

[Sevastiec]

Have you heard about his "collaborations" with Solovyov? By the way, Solovyov, just the same today, is discussing this very letter.
Well, about "catching a lie", I would like not unfounded.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Sevastiec

Have you heard about his "collaborations" with Solovyov?

and what does that mean? you want to say that this is some kind of quality mark?

Quote: Sevastiec

By the way, Solovyov, just the same today, is discussing this very letter.

Yes, here already the paratroopers from 155 removed the appeal and didn’t mention any letter. that is, it is not from them. and volunteers from Primorye unsubscribed. very surprised that they were all killed. the question arises, Whose letter is this and who wrote it?

Quote: Sevastiec

Well, about "catching a lie", I would like not unfounded.

here is a letter, for example, as it turns out, written by an unknown person, although the campaign is known and these are not paratroopers from 155.
here is some math for you from Sharia

[Sevastiec]

Solovyov, this is undoubtedly a class of quality. Look at his ratings for over 20 years and the results of his activities. Not every journalist is given an interview by the world's leading leaders, and even several times. And certainly he can hardly be accused of Ukrainian propaganda. And he took this letter very seriously.

By the way, a real journalist differs in that he "collaborates", regardless of his own predilections. And with the Dudys, and with the Sharias, and with the Solovyovs, and with the Sobchaks...

Yes, a refutation came out, but this can be easily explained: a scolding came from above and everyone was shut up. And besides, I do not rule out the opposite: the letter is a pure fake; I really don't understand why there is so much attention to this?


The vidos answer is by. Where, when and in what he lied: clearly, in writing.

Let me explain: lies, opinion and erroneous information are two different things.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Sevastiec

Solovyov, this is undoubtedly a class of quality.

on the same level as Gordon (always imprinted in his last name ). They talk about different things but the delivery methods are the same. the only difference is that Solovyov is pro-Russian, and Gordon is pro-Western. I mean that they do their job qualitatively and professionally. yes, they have quite a large audience, but in my opinion their manipulations are too clumsy.
but what are you trying to prove? what if someone was on the programs with Solovyov, then he is definitely his own and should he be trusted? with what drink? personally for me and Solovyov is not the ultimate truth.

Quote: Sevastiec

By the way, a real journalist differs in that he "collaborates", regardless of his own predilections. And with the Dudys, and with the Sharias, and with the Solovyovs, and with the Sobchaks...

what the hell? collaboration is a joint activity, in the case of the media, to promote some kind of idea, that is, "regardless of one's own predilections" did not lie here and there. it is just in accordance with similar predilections.

Quote: Sevastiec

Yes, a refutation came out, but this can be easily explained: a scolding came from above and everyone was shut up.

did Shariy and Sladkov get a refutation? it seems not ... otherwise they hyped the norms ...

Quote: Sevastiec

And besides, I do not rule out the opposite: the letter is a purely cissy fake; I really don't understand why there is so much attention to this?

before the Ukrainian offensive, which even beavers know about, a fake is being promoted about heavy losses with demands for a change in command personnel in the Russian troops. oh what an unexpected coincidence! By the way, and who untwisted a fake? I advise you to note these cultural figures. no, there is of course a possibility that they were used in the dark, but then this speaks of the stupidity of these figures and their informational uncleanliness.

Quote: Sevastiec

The vidos answer is by. Where, when and in what he lied: clearly, in writing.

I didn't hire you as a stenographer. feel free to familiarize yourself. well, or put your wife to watch and let you take notes. Shariy and Solovyov managed to cope and then you can handle it.
here is a fresh obosrams from Sharia
https://t.me/topwar_official/64321

Quote: Sevastiec

Let me explain: lies, opinion and erroneous information are two different things.

I’m curious if your neighbor starts telling the whole yard that you are a drug addict and a pedophile, and this is exactly the case because another neighbor told him and showed him a photo, is it like in your classification - a lie, an opinion or erroneous information? and now you came to beat his face for such rumors, and he will tell you "I'm sorry, I was wrong", in your understanding is everything? is the incident over? the fact that your entire yard continues to consider you a drug addict and a pedophile is the norm?

[Sevastiec]

Few faces. I recommend adding more. Yes, you will be taken seriously.

By the way, how do you like the abandonment of Kherson, about which Shariy has been writing for a month, as a fact?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Sevastiec

By the way, how do you like the abandonment of Kherson, about which Shariy has been writing for a month, as a fact?

does it somehow change the fact that Shariy, and you personally, talcum powder that were spreading TsIPSO stuffing? in 1941-1945 both would have gone for 10 years, from that to the wall. although no, Shariy is abroad ... only you.

[Sevastiec]

If my grandmother had testicles, she would be a grandfather.

[coinsam]

I agree. Completely wrong approach to the situation. If each unit evaluates incoming orders, then in the end we will actually come to the position of the Russian army in the summer of 1917: demoralization and complete power of the soldiers' committees.

[Molten]

"a subordinate in front of his superiors should look dashing and silly ...."

And walk to the slaughter silently.
They said with a knife on the tank - nothing to evaluate incoming orders.

[Kronos]

Imperialists apparently don't like it when soldiers don't want to die just like that.

[Sevastiec]

You are right, of course: a soldier should not discuss orders. But the task of the command is to be professionals and expel non-professionals from their ranks and not give criminal orders.
And the task of the authorities is not to bring to what happened in the First World War, and more than once happened in the Great Patriotic War.

Let me remind you, from Zhukov's orders:

“... You are wrong to think that successes are achieved by human flesh, successes are achieved by the art of combat, they fight with skill, and not with the lives of people ...”


“... If you want to be left in your positions, I demand:
1. Stop criminal attacks in the forehead of the village;
2. Stop frontal attacks on heights with good shelling ... "


"…I demand:

1. Each abnormal loss of people should be thoroughly investigated within 24 hours and, based on the results of the investigation, immediately make a decision, reporting to the highest headquarters. Commanders who criminally threw units on the enemy’s unsuppressed fire system should be brought to the strictest responsibility and appointed to a lower position ... "

[Cympak]

Enough demagogy. There is a loss of authority by commanders in front of subordinates.

[Monster_Fat]

"Someone" is probably a Martian with an unknown last name. It was a surprise for me, the participation of the Martians in the NWO ...

[Sanichsan]

I remember your frantic sarcasm when Konashenkov called the missile assembly plant a missile production plant ... I would like to ask if you will not be also furiously carried away by the fact that Sladkov, sitting in Min Vody, confused multi-storey buildings in Vugledar, with the heights around Pavlovka? or "this is another"?

[UAZ 452]

When mobilized people appear at the front in large numbers, there will be many more such offensives for the sake of beautiful reports, someone's stars, a line in Konashenkov's report about taking certain positions in the vicinity of a certain farm. Our commanders do not understand that when the enemy has mastered the technology of modern warfare, has established intelligence, control, communications, interaction, then he needs to be confronted with even more precise organization, technology, and not stupidly with the number of untrained bayonets and a mass of obsolete iron (and this mass is no longer there ). For artillery, there is little difference - a company is advancing on the position of your troops or a battalion, if target designations arrive quickly, ideally - in real time. The difference will be in the number of funerals in Russian cities and villages.

[Vovk]

All for a gift (at least some victory on the battlefield) by November 7th for the Sunny Face.
This is not the first time people have been imprisoned due to the stupidity of the command ... at least something needs to be released for the holiday ...

[Dmitry Rigov]

Tinkov sold his stake in April, and he has only just begun to talk nasty things. Well, it’s hard to call him a thief, because he got rich in the last few years on the wave of the bank’s popularity, and his dumplings and beer are quite an honest business compared to those who now sell natural resources to NATO countries.

[Luenkov]

Tinkoff renounced Russian citizenship?

[TIR]

I even know the reason for the hatred. Everything is simple. If you cannot be better than those who were before you, then lower the level of these personalities in the eyes of people, and you will automatically become higher than them. If today's formation is treading water or falling down, then lower the previous formation with its high growth and breakthroughs, and automatically in the eyes of people "today" will seem better than "yesterday". That's the whole point for you

[kravch67k]

It has always been in the tradition of our rulers. Succession of generations.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lev Myshkin

Putin hated the Bolsheviks and everything connected with the USSR) Do you notice that he hates the Soviet past?

Your attempt to throw shit on the fan was not counted, because VVP spoke about his attitude to the collapse of the USSR in the following vein - "The collapse of the USSR is the biggest tragedy of the twentieth century"
here you can get the missing invoice
https://ria.ru/20170613/1496353896.html

[Lev Myshkin]

"The collapse of the USSR is the biggest tragedy of the twentieth century"

Seriously? ... And the person who wrote with delight that communism was over, the surname Chubais, was until March 1, 2022, an adviser to Putin .... then he quit and left for permanent residence in Italy ... great, right?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lev Myshkin

And the man who wrote with delight that communism was over, the surname Chubais, was until March 1, 2022, an adviser to Putin .... then he quit and left for permanent residence in Italy ... great, right?

Lyova, it seems that you are not sitting in Saratov either. Campaign kalyakaet tsidulka z ashdodu? Oh wey! Chi no?

[Lev Myshkin]

It seems? How, interestingly, do I look like an anti-Russian sitting in Italy? And if it "looks like" to you, then explain what the guarantor was guided by when appointing this Chubais to the post? Apparently, his excellent business qualities, because he brought both RAO UES and Rusnano to unprecedented heights and success. And after such successes, being an adviser to the first person is the very thing)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lev Myshkin

"The collapse of the USSR is the biggest tragedy of the twentieth century"

Seriously? ... And the person who wrote with delight that communism was over, the surname Chubais, was until March 1, 2022, an adviser to Putin .... then he quit and left for permanent residence in Italy ... great, right?

Opanki, how famously you changed your shoes, the enemy! You initially threw it about Putin, but there’s nothing to cover, so you switched to a redhead. You, as a "specially gifted" one, were even given a link to listen to the fact that the GDP was said so that it would not mess up in the future, but no, you decided to sink further in the best traditions, as it is written in the instructions for trolls. Why are you so mediocrely fired then Mouse Levkin?

[Lev Myshkin]

Tell me who your friend is (well, or a fellow colleague) and I'll tell you who you are. They say that personnel are selected in the presidential administration and carefully coordinated with him?...

[TIR]

Putin, surrounded by 5 columns, works. All his deputies and press secretary are the 5th column. Oligarch friends are also the 5th column. He didn’t choose his deputies, that he didn’t choose his friends. They brazenly slipped them on him. The red-haired one is generally a sly one, he worked together with Putin and Medvedev starting from St. Petersburg, he stole, deceived, ruined the country, but the sly one did it in such a way that Putin did not see or hear. How can a president work in such an environment? You criticize him, and he personally opposes such friends and deputies, opposes foreign partners. You'd better be silent. And about your salary and about pensions. Yet for you, ungrateful, done

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lev Myshkin

Tell me who your friend is (well, or a fellow colleague) and I'll tell you who you are. They say that personnel are selected in the presidential administration and carefully coordinated with him?...

"Plato is my friend but the truth is dearer". I repeat once again, our conversation began with what you wrote about what the GDP of the USSR hates. I gave you the answer that you are wrong with a link to the source. Everything.
What vegetable are you climbing into the wilds with red-haired Shreds, administrations, personnel? What does this have to do with the assessment of the USSR? Do you even catch a causal relationship between the comments?

[Deon59]

And about the goloshes, the coma of this USSR could not produce anything.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Deon59

And about the goloshes, the coma of this USSR could not produce anything.

And this is not Putin, but a figurative cutting of his speech by jingoistic patriots who, like true intellectuals, criticize the authorities for everything that they would not do.
In the original speech, there were praises of the Soviet government, which created a strong defense industry and space, which we are still proud of, and criticism of its inability to create consumer goods of the same level.

Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.

We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.

From the audience: ... And the first satellite.

Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.

But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

[Lev Myshkin]

Consumer goods were scarce. Shoes, rags, everything. Clothes came from Eastern Europe, China, India .. so what? Was this a reason to drop the country? What prevented us from giving free rein to private traders, so that they would start sewing and fill us with these unfortunate rags? Would it really be more difficult to set up the production of a fashionable rag than to fly into space ??? Instead of allowing entrepreneurship and small businesses, the authorities take and distribute the basic sectors of the national economy to former black marketers and speculators like Abramovich) .. Clever. This is called reorganization. And now the rags are still Chinese, but there is no country .. and the war is on. And the multipolarity, with which now one person is all worn, was then. She was screwed. And now talk about her talks yes shish. Try to return.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lev Myshkin

Consumer goods were scarce. Shoes, rags, everything. Clothes came from Eastern Europe, China, India .. so what? Was this a reason to drop the country?

And what does this have to do with it? The question was different - "galoshes" in Putin's speech referred only to consumer goods, and not to the entire industry of the USSR as a whole.

Quote: Lev Myshkin

What prevented us from giving free rein to private traders, so that they would start sewing and fill us with these unfortunate rags?

Are you encroaching on the foundations of a socialist state? Today it is private production, tomorrow it is private property, and there it is not far from the exploitation of man by man.
This is on the one hand. And on the other hand, who will allow you to allow private traders, when they already exist, are built into the gray market and sew for the benefit of respected people. Uzbekistan must spend somewhere a quarter of the cotton harvest, spent as shrinkage and utruska.

Quote: Lev Myshkin

Would it really be more difficult to set up the production of a fashionable rag than to fly into space ???

And who needed it? Whoever wanted to, he already had his own business on this. And they didn't need competitors.

Quote: Lev Myshkin

Instead of allowing entrepreneurship and small businesses, the authorities take and distribute the basic sectors of the national economy to former black marketers and speculators like Abramovich) .. Clever.

Pfff... this is the second wave. The first walked among his own. So, Viktor Stepanovich, in a program dedicated to the anniversary of Gazprom, boasted that back in Soviet times, with unbridled demagoguery about inefficient state management, seasoned with references to decisions of the Party Congress, he knocked out several signatures under a document that turned his own ministry into a concern. And it cost him three cases of cognac.
Fish traditionally began to deteriorate from the head.

[Eug]

I suspect that not by 7, but by 4, by 7 it became known. A classic - they wanted the best, but it turned out more tragic than ever...

[Alf]

Quote: Vovk

All for a gift (at least some victory on the battlefield) by November 7th for the Sunny Face.

What is a gift to the Sun-faced by November 7th? Sun-faced as fire is afraid of this holiday.

[PC]

What are you carrying? What holiday? Putin does not celebrate November 7th.

[Sergey Drozdov]

But the multinational Russian people are celebrating.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Vovk

All for a gift (at least some victory on the battlefield) by November 7th for the Sunny Face.

VO has been writing victorious reports about the capture of Pavlovka since October 30.

So it looks like a gift was being prepared for the 4th.

[SKVichyakow]

Since all the generals are from about the late 90s and early XNUMXs. I represent their competencies. I think window dressing is more dominant and like it at the top.

[dmi.pris1]

The sons of these commanders are not there. That's the reason

[Miragor B]

Shukshina has this letter in telegrams
From the letter it is clear that our losses for 300 people
killed
There are our generals with non-Russian surnames
they wanted to get the heroes of Russia for Pavlovka
Although a couple of days ago Khodakovsky warned
about the untimeliness of the offensive

[Scipio]

Exactly. They immediately said that it is not worth going on the attack in this direction. There, Ukrainians still remained in the forest plantations, who will pull the logistics for them. Two generals decided to show off, but it turned out as always. Generals, as the Dagestanis understood

[Deon59]

At the beginning of the SVO, a 33-year-old Chechen colonel decided to throw the National Guard from Nalchik for slaughter, so 200 people faded away

[aglet]

"There are still Ukrainians in the forest plantations, who will pull the logistics for them"
Can you imagine how many ukrov can fit in a forest plantation? what is forest plantation do you know? among other things, forest plantations are shot through from any weapon and do not protect against aviation at all. and if xoxly are still sitting there, then someone needs it

[RED_ICE]

Where did you read the dead???

"Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you…..
As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great generals", we lost about 4 people in 300 days, killed, wounded and missing. 50 percent technology. This is just our team...

(Spelling and punctuation of the author preserved)
https://t.me/mariashukshina

[Skif]

[quote] [/ quote] what bestiality, right! With non-Russian surnames?! We (not you) are Russian officers. And talking about surnames is the lot of the poor, or traitors.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Skif

talking about surnames is the lot of the poor, or traitors.

Incitement, and since we are talking about peoples with national centers on the territory of the Russian Federation (subjects of the Russian Federation), this is something worse, much worse than inciting ethnic hatred.
To the delight and into the hands of Ukrainians (citizens and residents of Ukraine)

[Luenkov]

Barclay de Toli... Bagration. And in the contracts of 906, Olaf and Stemid. Charles. They were Russians and the first mention of them by Russians pre-literally in the documents of the Byzantine

[Seal]

I support you in principle. There are tens of thousands of foreigners who became officers and generals of the Russian service and gave their lives for Russia. But regarding this

Were Russians and the first mention of them by Russians pre-letter in Byzantine documents

I can't help but notice that these Byzantine documents no one has ever seen. From the word at all.

[Luenkov]

elementary literacy completely expires from the word. There were several treaties, even more researchers, many of those who copied and rewrote. Google it yourself. The fact that individual copies were destroyed does not give the right to deny the facts.

[Deon59]

What does the surname have to do with Russian or not. Stupidity and kneeling have no nationality. Grachev is probably a Jew, or how many stupid military commanders are in Russia

[Makartelat]

And where is the aviation, can’t they shut up the artillery in Ugledar? Do the dill have high-echeloned air defense there? Do they have gaps in the residential area and we can’t hit them, will there be losses among the civilian population? What kind of scribe is that.

[Sebostyuan]

According to the military, they planned the operation from the ground - mediocrity. Why should they suddenly establish interaction with aviation.

[Deon59]

A couple of attack aircraft, fighters and bombers, that's all aviation.

[bulat]

The level of planning is, of course, zero. Even negative. Plan the capture of Pavlovka across the muddy fields, knowing that two kilometers from it is a heavily fortified Ugledar. Why? Purely to report on the capture and hang an order for yourself?

[PSih2097]

Quote: bulat

The level of planning is, of course, zero. Even negative.

41 recalls, especially the attempts of counterattacks by Comrade. Timoshenko, Pavlova and Co...

Quote: Makartelat

And where is aviation, can’t they shut up artillery in Ugledar?

Well, We are peace-loving people, we don’t want unnecessary losses among non-combatants, although try to separate them from warriors and "cooks, clerks, etc" ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: PSih2097

41 recalls, especially the attempts of counterattacks by Comrade. Timoshenko, Pavlova and Co...

If by Ko ... Zhukov is meant, then yes, that's right. He personally arrived from Moscow to give instructions on counterattacks (at first I wanted to write "for organization", but since there was no smell of "organization" there, "instructions" would be more accurate).
After he had squandered all the mechanized corps that were at hand, he departed for Moscow with a sense of accomplishment.

[PSih2097]

the mechanized corps were slammed before him in the OZVO (in the sense without Zhukov), and they were doomed initially without communication ...
So now - how much Ukraine mobilizes there - we need a triple overlap ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

After he had squandered all the mechanized corps that were at hand, he departed for Moscow with a sense of accomplishment.

And since when did Zhukov begin to bear the names of Kirponos and Muzychenko?
Or you don’t remember - who actually gave the order to dismantle the strongest strike force and arranged a leapfrog of reassignment of the 8th MK, because of which he had to run 500 km in a circle and attack with a delay of two days, when the enemy had already managed to line up defense, and the corps suffered heavy losses on the march? And who, despite all the orders, left the 4th MK at the disposal of his army - instead of his nomination to participate in a frontal strike.
The main reason for the breakout of the offensive in the south is the bad initiative of the commanders, who, instead of carrying out a direct order, began to show inappropriate initiative, while not possessing knowledge, skills and information.
And this is not only in the south - the General Staff, for example, for three weeks could not pull the 1st TD out of Karelia, because the commander, to whom she was subordinate, simply did not give her up, despite all the orders. And when she arrived at the main forces of the 1st MK, it turned out that a tank regiment that remained in Karelia had been withdrawn from the division in total. I am not talking about frontal assaults on fortified points near Moscow, which directly violated the front-level order to bypass such nodes.

[azkolt]

Why they went there at all is not clear. Gryazyuk. Ugledar is on a hill and shoots through not only Pavlovka, but also the approaches to it. Previously, they already took everything, they didn’t hold it, they climbed again.

[Saboteur_Navy]

According to the letter, the TFR, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB should go to the front, and sort it out! Let me remind you that the 155th Marine Brigade is a very respected unit!

[carpenter]

"Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorsky people! How long will such mediocrities like M. and A. plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people? They don't care about anything, just to show themselves. They call people meat, " - marines write.

The military asked that this exposure of General M. be sent to higher authorities so that an independent commission would come to Pavlovka.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Knowing the discipline and order of this brigade, and the attention that the regional leadership pays to helping this unit, it becomes anxious in my soul ... apparently there was no other option ... The investigators and Chekists need to go there immediately ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: Saboteur_Navy

According to the letter, the TFR, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB should go to the front, and sort it out!

there should be SMERSH from both (army and GB), only the investigation will show such faces that in general ... The chief of the General Staff and the director of the FSB will have to shoot themselves ... And this is so at a minimum ...

[iouris]

Discussing the actions of the command during the war is not useful (at least). And it should be punishable. On the other hand, there is (should be) a representative of the General Staff of the Russian Federation (headquarters), who oversees and reports to someone who is not afraid of everyone. Oh yes! Today is a public holiday...

[dmi.pris1]

I agree with you here. Well, this was not brought to the press in any war. All the jambs, flaws were sorted out behind closed doors. And only then "went to the masses." This situation has already been hanging in Yandex since lunch, even earlier in a cart, Khodarkovsky spoke about this even earlier

[tsvetahaki]

All the jambs, flaws were sorted out behind closed doors. And only then "went to the masses." This situation has already been hanging in Yandex since lunch, even earlier in the cart, even earlier Khodarkovsky spoke about this

In general, it's hard to disagree.
And in a particular state - the key word is "dealt with behind closed doors" - do they understand? And what are the conclusions? How about 1.5 million ammo kits?
The Marines write not from disorganization, but from hopelessness and disbelief in the results "they sorted it out behind closed doors"

[Two diplomas]

This is not a command, but a bunch of impenetrable tactical and strategic idiots.

[Ronrew]

Maybe it's time to look for generals among ordinary people who did not graduate from any academies, as in the civil war, when the Bolsheviks "tail and mane" beat the tsarist generals.

[Two diplomas]

It is not worth it so radically, but sensible medium commanders must be moved up. I was taught to make decisions on the battlefield without reporting to a bunch of superiors. He saw the enemy - shot. And not by Krasnopol or Smelchak, they hit with ordinary ammunition from the second or third without any drones, but now it’s just some kind of sur. 20 thousand shells per day and one and a half dead diggers.

[Zyablicev43]

For some time he wrote that the war would be ended by today's battalion commanders, who had become generals ... I was so downvoted, I was already ashamed .... Not a strategist, not a tactician, I just once liked to read the memoirs of the military ...

[Alf]

Quote from Ronrew

as in a civil war, when the Bolsheviks "tail and mane" beat the tsarist generals.

Especially if you remember how many "former" were in command positions in the headquarters of the Bolsheviks ...

[Ronrew]

Of course, there were also enough tsarist officers in the Red Army, but not as many as some people think. I found an article (of course, far from scientific, but you can get a general idea) about the tsarist officers in the Red Army: https://dzen.ru/media/id/5d24f2acc31e4900ad349df5/mif-o-carskih-oficerah-v-krasnoi-armii-- skolko-ih-bylo-na-samom-dele-5d6e70f243863f00ac9c641b

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from Ronrew

Maybe it's time to look for generals among ordinary people who did not graduate from any academies, as in the civil war, when the Bolsheviks "tail and mane" beat the tsarist generals.

Approximately half (over seven hundred) of the officers of the General Staff went over to the side of the Bolsheviks and fought in the Red Army.
At the red commanders, the headquarters were headed by officers of the former General Staff of the tsarist army.
It is difficult to say how the Civil War would have ended without them.

[Sergey Drozdov]

Yes ... there were glorious commanders from the people: Frunze, Budyonny, Stalin - who defended Tsaritsyn in Civil, and then, in the same place, gouging Paulus ... glorious, glorious commanders were ...

[shikin]

For your information, the Red Army was created by former tsarist generals and colonels. In 1918, most of the commanders were former tsarist officers, then gradually moved to staff positions. It was then that the story was politically corrected.

[TIR]

As I understand it, this auditor should report to Gerasimov? Oh well. In our army, in the economy, there are only breakthroughs on paper. In fact, some gusts of pants

[Deon59]

Yes, the General Staff has been controlling for 8 months, and who will control the wise men from the General Staff.

[dmi.pris1]

What is this for? Was the article wrong?

[Amper]

Those who started it are still leading the NWO, with the same result. Leadership change you say? It is doubtful that the same ones, in the same place, also shed people's blood. With complete indifference and Gk, and Mo, and Gsh. Everyone is busy with the grain deal.

[TatarinSSSR]

You shouldn't tear your shirt right now and squeal half-heartedly. Sladkov has repeatedly shown himself to be not very understanding in military affairs. And often causing panic. Yes, the situation is complicated, someone should be held responsible for its creation. There are military channels, there is a connection with those who are responsible for all this. But to scribble it in TG and other things - I consider it a crime that plays into the hands of the enemy. But if Sladkov is right, and in reality there is no longer any way to get through to the generals, except to make them public, then sorry, respect and honor to Sladkov. For possibly saved lives.

[Chronos]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

You shouldn't tear your shirt right now and squeal half-heartedly. Sladkov has repeatedly shown himself to be not very understanding in military affairs. And often causing panic. Yes, the situation is complicated, someone should be held responsible for its creation. There are military channels, there is a connection with those who are responsible for all this. But to scribble it in TG and other things - I consider it a crime that plays into the hands of the enemy. But if Sladkov is right, and in reality there is no longer any way to get through to the generals, except to make them public, then sorry, respect and honor to Sladkov. For possibly saved lives.

I don't understand one thing here. Where is the headquarters of the NWO in this story? Can local generals launch major operations themselves?

[UAZ 452]

I don't understand one thing here. Where is the headquarters of the NWO in this story? Can local generals launch major operations themselves?

It’s also incomprehensible to me - where in this story is the commander of the NMD, General Surovikin, who most recently was praised and described as a competent, combat general? If the operation was planned and carried out with his knowledge and under his general leadership, then why does his name not appear anywhere and, as it were, put out of brackets? if he is not in business there, then it turns out that he was appointed to the role of a wedding general, and the gentlemen from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff rule everything directly, ignoring the very fact of the presence of the commander of the NWO? Well, if the general is silent, then everything suits him?

[Chronos]

Quote: UAZ 452

I don't understand one thing here. Where is the headquarters of the NWO in this story? Can local generals launch major operations themselves?

It’s also incomprehensible to me - where in this story is the commander of the NMD, General Surovikin, who most recently was praised and described as a competent, combat general? If the operation was planned and carried out with his knowledge and under his general leadership, then why does his name not appear anywhere and, as it were, put out of brackets? if he is not in business there, then it turns out that he was appointed to the role of a wedding general, and the gentlemen from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff rule everything directly, ignoring the very fact of the presence of the commander of the NWO? Well, if the general is silent, then everything suits him?

If we analyze all the reports from the field, it turns out that it was not two generals who started the offensive near Pavlovka for the sake of stars (although it may have seemed to the Marines, but it is unlikely that the generals told them in the eye: go ahead, we want orders). After all, this was the general plan of the headquarters of the NWO, they attacked not only there, but also in other sectors of the Donetsk Front. And synchronously. But the execution of the plan specifically near Pavlovka let us down. But the story is strange. Whatever the generals mentioned, it is unlikely that they ordered where exactly to go to each tank. Do the marines have any questions for the command of their brigade? And further. From the field, again, they report that in 8 months this is not the first case in different units. But there were no such letters and such a wave. Who even wrote the letter to the Marines? Are they afraid of the consequences? Do they know that someone will cover upstairs? Personally, my IMHO - there are disassemblies in the generals. There is a conditional triumvirate Surovikin-Kadyrov-Prigozhin. And a group of generals close to them. As the new commander of the ZVO Berdnikov, Mordvinichev. And there are other groups that, through the head of Surovikin, have access to the Moscow Region and the General Staff. IMHO, as always, they remove strangers in order to put their own, especially when a new boss comes in, and you need to remove subordinates with connections
Interestingly, the first media campaign was against Lapin, who was considered one of Surovikin's competitors. The foregoing does not negate the fact that Muradov poorly organized the offensive and should be held accountable for it. If he is removed, it turns out that all the commanders of the general directions will be changed a second time.

[UAZ 452]

But the story is strange. Whatever the generals mentioned, it is unlikely that they ordered where exactly to go to each tank. Do the marines have any questions for the command of their brigade?

So isn't Akhmedov just the commander of this brigade?

[Chronos]

Then one question is removed. Everything is clear here.

[Two diplomas]

How long has Sladkov been running under the bullets of a military commissar? That's it and does not ask for ANYTHING. Unlike the red ones.

[dauria]

How long has Sladkov been running under the bullets of a military commissar? That's it and asks for NOTHING

What is he running for? And what exactly "ran"? Who gave him the order to "run" around the locations and chirp? Do the troops and Russia benefit from his running around?
Yes, this was never born until Misha Gorbachev with his publicity and Leshchinsky. Then this nonsense climbed - "run" and tweet with an underlying thought "that's what I am, look at me .. I'm tweeting"

[Two diplomas]

It’s good to knock off blanks with your bowler hat, it’s enough for a long time. And it will ring for a hundred miles in the district.

[PC]

If Sladkov and others had not run, the enemy would already be near Moscow, and Konashenkov would have told us about the complete dominance of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the sky of Ukraine.

[1939_1940]

Khodakovsky said a week ago that there was no need to climb there .. But one Hero of Russia wanted to hang the Hero of his fellow countryman .. What happened was what he was talking about .. The lives of the guys are exchanged for stars to the generals ..

[goblin xnumx]

and - most likely - they will hang - a star ... after all, he promised

[Raccoon Raccoon]

It seems to me that this resource will soon have to be read through a VPN.

[mag nit]

They promoted Surovikin, and this is the result ...

[AdAstra]

Well, they don’t boast about going to the army ... """

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

But now Khodakovsky's self-promotion is already out of his ears. He knows everything, he foresees everything, he plans everything. New Hindenburg. Aiming for the commander in chief?

[PC]

Surovikin was informed that Pavlovka had already been taken. And when it happened, they got scared.

[Gvardeetz77]

Since the Marines cannot get through to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, they had to turn to the Governor of Primorsky Krai Oleg Kozhemyaka in order to sort out the situation through him.

Without belittling the tragedy for another bungling of "geniuses" in uniform, but in Russia there is not enough one leader, one of the republics, influencing the decisions of the Moscow Region, so now they have begun to pull up other governors, it's time to introduce new job titles: "governor general" or " voevoda", and then we will reach the "ataman" of the city or district, which will not reach the Ministry of Defense, but will be able to completely reach the commander ...

[UAZ 452]

Here, too, when I read that the governors are made responsible for conducting mobilization, providing the mobilized with the necessary, and the border - also for the protection and defense of territories - questions arise - what will all this lead to?
Did we demand federalization and decentralization from Ukraine in ancient pre-war times? And now, it seems, we show an example. But there have already been such periods in the history of our state, then they were called feudal fragmentation in the history books.

[Silver99]

Where Khodakovsky is sheer despondency and defeat ((((Isn’t he rejoicing in Nikonov’s program that they went to Pavlovka, and now he is looking for the guilty (((he is very slippery.

[AdAstra]

Another "brilliant" planning of "brilliant" generals? Yes, what am I talking about, if my boss is not smart at work, it’s unpleasant, but there it’s just a big problem.

[Comrade I]

... I had to turn to the Governor of Primorsky Krai Oleg Kozhemyaka in order to sort out the situation through him. Moreover, the command knows about the situation in Pavlovka, but they have not been able to make any decision for several days.

You read as if about some kind of Pakistan with a clan structure ...
No, that's all, we've arrived.

[Ulan.1812]

I would like to ask the same question that has already been raised here - is Ukrainian artillery invulnerable?
If it cannot be destroyed, then at least suppressed?
Where is our artillery, where is aviation, where are kamikaze drones?
Or are they still agreeing, and the guys are dying at this time?
Yes, what happens in the end.
And you can’t discuss the account, someone really wants everything to be covered up.

[PC]

These same questions arose for me. For four days they can not agree?

[Carlos Hall]

I don't understand the article. He comes to talk about betrayal. You must check if the news is true. It is strange that the Ukrainian side did not say anything. Maybe the fifth column is intoxicating with such news. In any case, if anything were true, the question is: What's going on with aviation?

[AdAstra]

The answer is that it does not fly, completely suppressed in February, the air defense was not completely suppressed.

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

Who told you that aviation does not fly? Seriously, where do you dig up such nonsense?

[AdAstra]

And yes, sorry, it flies. Fighters designed to gain air superiority "cast iron" at low level drop "cosplay" IL-2. Remind me when you drank together? And then I drank a lot then, I forgot.

[AdAstra]

https://topwar.ru/204026-pokazano-primenenie-istrebitelja-su-35-v-kachestve-shturmovika.html#comment-id-13014983

[Ser Vak]

crested aviation definitely flies, no one has heard of ours

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

What's wrong with aviation? Both aviation and artillery work in what is called 3 shifts.
From the Ukrainian side they do not speak, because there is nothing to brag about. They are busy trying to keep Ugledar away

[Boniface]

Gotta get the guys! Urgently! If it's not too late :-(

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

That is why it is necessary to control the work of military correspondents and other telegrams of activists. So that they do not breed evil.
Well, in fact, the Pavlovian offensive is extremely important, since it binds a large contingent of Nazis in Vugledar. If you manage to gain a foothold and approach Ugledar - generally good

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I don’t take the situation itself, but lately I have a feeling that Khodakovsky is aggressively promoting himself. And PR in any way without a twinge of conscience. It looks like there is a division of places and Khodakovsky is aiming for the new Hindenburgs and Moltke combined.

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

Khodakovsky wants to go into politics, it's not a secret.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Moreover, by any means, and this already leads to a leak of information about the state of affairs at the front. Sorry, but this is practically divulging information to the enemy and working for enemy intelligence. Can you imagine someone calling the whole world about the state of the Red Army in the Second World War? Me not. But this is a hero! He can!

[PC]

Do you think Sladkov is lying? It can't be! The generals have been playing for a long time.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: p-k

Do you think Sladkov is lying? It can't be! The generals have been playing for a long time.

He was supported by other military correspondents in their telegram channels. So Sladkov is not lying. That can't be collusion. I'm wondering where the counterintelligence, the special department, where, after all, is the FSB officer watching these generals? Or all these services do not work?

[Sanichsan]

and from the scene they write that Sladkov is lying. https://t.me/topwar_official/64120
please, a list of military correspondents who supported Sladkov.

[Xnumx vis]

Please - Kots, Besssonov, Yuri Podolyaka. These are the most famous , authoritative names . Do you want links ...? Find yourself.

[Sanichsan]

I didn’t read Kots and Bezsonov ... Podolyak already screwed up in the same way when they hyped a fake about the defeat of the Russian troops at the crossing. if you forgot, let me remind you that this fake was dismantled, the maximum that could be pulled by the ears was to replace the RF Military District with the LDNR militia, but even here it turned out crookedly because the burnt equipment was driving towards the Russian position and mainly consisted of BMP-1. shorter stuffing level Buchi. How is that story different from this one? By the way, weren't these characters trying to dump Lapin?
now some letter from nowhere and not published, but very inspiring to Kots (not at the scene of events), Besssonov (not at the scene of events) and Podolyak (not at the scene of events). while Steshin, who is just there, writes that this is bullshit. I personally trust Steshin, who writes from the spot, more than Sladkov and others like him who hype on stuffing.

[Vadim Sharygin]

Perhaps nationwide control is needed over the entire composition of our Ministry of Defense, which is responsible for mediocre decisions that lead to unjustified losses. No amount of mobilization will help with such commanders. It is necessary to invite the generals of North Korea, the Chinese army for consultations, removing the threat of defeat and developing a plan for a real offensive.

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

Oh yeah, nationwide control You can’t do without couch experts in a war.
And of course without the North Korean and Chinese generals After all, the same Chinese generals have vast experience in combat operations.

[seamen2]

* It is necessary to invite the generals of North Korea *, that is, a country that is still under our sanctions, which were introduced to please * partners *.

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim Sharygin

Chinese army for consultation

Remind me, please, WHERE did the PRC army fight and what victories does it have?

[dmi.pris1]

Where did the PLA fight?

[Alf]

Quote: dmi.pris

Where did the PLA fight ?? In Korea, let's start. In Vietnam

The 70s ... Modern wars are "somewhat" different ... Second, it is enough to compare the losses of the PLA and the US Army. 58 from the US and 000 from Vietnam.
Further, recently Emperor Xi Ji called the PLA "ostentatious." I think he's better in his place...

[Shadow of the Father]

[quote = Alf] [quote = dmi.pris] Where did the PLA fight?? Second, it is enough to compare the losses of the PLA and the US Army. 58 000 from the USA and 849 000 from Vietnam .... [/ quote]
Uh, does the whole "colonel general" even know that China fought with Vietnam? After all, this is what dmi.pris meant
And where does the comparison of the losses of the armies of the United States and the whole of Vietnam, if we are talking about the PLA? You do not distinguish between the PLA and the VNA?

[Alf]

Quote: Shadow of the Father

Uh, does the whole "colonel general" even know that China fought with Vietnam?

I repeat once again, comparing the war of the 80s and the 2020s is somehow not serious.
And the losses of the 79th year are approximately equal, something about 26-30 thousand on both sides. By the way, only for ONE MONTH. Here is the answer, who fights and how.

[Alf]

Quote: Shadow of the Father

Second, it is enough to compare the losses of the PLA and the US Army. 58 from the US and 000 from Vietnam.

Why don’t you add to the losses of the United States the losses of southern Vietnam?

Losses of SE 250 000. Still can not be compared with the losses of 849 000.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Alf

Still can not compare with the loss of 849.

what percentage of them are civilians?
The United States writes everywhere that 60000 Vietnamese were killed during the attack on Tet, and the Vietnamese army reports the loss of 6000. Considering that the Vietnamese army not only retained its combat capability, but also won this war, it looks like the United States is lying. well, you follow them ...

[Alf]

Quote: SanichSan

what percentage of them are civilians?

And civilians are not included in this number at all.
Okay, let me lie, you know better ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Alf

And civilians are not included in this number at all.

Well, how come they don't? and Sergeant Kelly's feat in Song Mi? This incident was publicized, but it is not at all isolated. read about Russell's Tribunal. these Song Mi were constantly happening there.

[Alf]

Quote: SanichSan

and Sergeant Kelly's feat in Song Mi?

And what does this have to do with it? I told you in Russian that the loss of civilians in 849 killed is not included, they are a separate line, but you decided to cast a shadow on the fence. Well, good luck with verbiage!

[rocket757]

Russian military correspondents report a difficult situation in Pavlovka in the Ugledar direction

What should be said, discussed? How and how can this help our fighters???

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

Vun citizen says that power should be given to the Soviets, sorry, couch warriors. So let's win!

[rocket757]

Pies should be baked by a baker / cook, and fight ...

[Dartanian]

We must wait for the information unverified. It will be accurate then the debriefing will be clear

[Dmitry Gavrilov]

You can't wait! You need to freak out right now!

[antiput]

Full letter (https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/6633) from the soldiers of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Russian Pacific Fleet addressed to the Governor of Primorsky Krai:

– “Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. The Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you.
Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General Muradov and his fellow countryman Akhmedov, in order for Muradov to earn bonuses over Gerasimov and Akhmedov Muradov promised a hero of Russia. As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great generals", we lost about 4 people in 300 days, killed, wounded and missing. 50 percent technology. This is just our team. The command of the district, together with Akhmedov, hide this and take the official figures of losses for fear of responsibility. How they were going to capture the settlement by slipping through the landings in which the enemy remained, now destroying ours on the evacuation routes of the wounded and the supply of ammunition. In addition, Pavlovka is lower than Ugledar, from which they beat us.
Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorye people! How long will such mediocrities like Muradov and Akhmedov plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people. They don't care about anything just to show themselves. They call people meat.
We ask you to turn to the Supreme Commander so that they send a commission not from the Ministry of Defense where Muradoaa is protected by Gerasimov, but an independent one. Let them be asked the purpose of such actions, their provision, and the results without embellishment.
How much can you endure!”

[Chronos]

Muradov, by the way, is one of the generals nominated to replace those who failed the first stage of the SVO. And again, it’s interesting, why doesn’t Muradov report to Surovikin? Where in all this history is the headquarters of the NWO? It's like it doesn't exist.

[Carlos Hall]

Shut up and stop panicking. This news is false. The ukrobot hung him. Spreading false information is a crime of high treason.

[PC]

Terrible losses! When will these pricks with big stars begin to feel sorry for the warriors? Not just a commission, but a brigade of the military prosecutor's office, the Investigative Committee and the DVKR.

[Sanichsan]

there is no letter at the link provided (https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/6633). where did you get this text? who wrote what you post?

[petrol cutter]

Yes, we are in a situation...
The General Staff will finally start thinking.
Or will I start thinking for him on my 20000 rubles?!

[nobody75]

And do not hope! There is no one to think and no time ...
Sincerely

[hhurik]

Quote: dmi.pris

I agree with you here. Well, this was not brought to the press in any war. All the jambs, flaws were sorted out behind closed doors. And only then "went to the masses." This situation has already been hanging in Yandex since lunch, even earlier in a cart, Khodarkovsky spoke about this even earlier

The 21st century is in the yard, Elon Musk's luminous ships ply the open spaces. It is impossible to hide almost anything or avoid discussion. And if one of the commanders-chiefs has not yet understood this - his problems, he will die out as a species in the process of evolution.
In general, this is not bad - the narrow world of professional military men did not cope with the task, became ossified and was forced to turn to the population for support. As I understand it, the LDNR military generally didn’t give a damn about army witnesses in terms of tactical events, they have years of practice behind them, not parades. Well, this fresh force will establish its own rules - with discussions, appeals, appeals to the shirnarmasses, obstructions, etc. And they will listen to them - a man with a gun, he is such a creature, willy-nilly, he will have to listen.

[Tagan]

Quote: Vovk

All for a gift (at least some victory on the battlefield) by November 7th for the Sunny Face.
This is not the first time people have been imprisoned due to the stupidity of the command ... at least something needs to be released for the holiday ...

At first, it would be useful to pay attention to your clown-generalissimo so that there is someone to compare with.

[Carlos Hall]

This news is false. Where does information come from? Marshal Konashenkov does not mention this encirclement/ambush in the official daily summary. This is also not mentioned from the Ukrainian side. Probably, this was invented by the ukrobot.

[Reklastik]

Well, if "Marshal Konashenkov" doesn't mention it, then yes... It's all right.

[Alf]

Quote from Carlos Sala

Marshal Konashenkov does not mention this encirclement/ambush in the official daily summary. O

"Marshal" Konashenkov in his fairy tales, I beg your pardon, "summaries" has already completely destroyed the Armed Forces of Ukraine three times.

[Tagan]

Quote: azkolt

I have read your posts. it is not clear what the TsPSOshnik is doing here? I was especially pleased with the post that civilians did at the military crossing. There was actually a civilian crossing there, and this, too, everything will be documented, as in your post, that they document attacks on civilians in Kharkov.

Well, what does he do? Naturally, "worries" for us. That's why they keep them there.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

I still cannot understand why the RF Armed Forces do not promote militia commanders to the command staff!? What kind of unknown ″jealousy″ on the verge of sabotage? After all, the same Khodakovsky immediately wrote - there will be problems with Ugledar. And about the Kharkov direction, not only the battalion commanders - all the military correspondents shouted! Obviously, Stalin and SMESHR are needed - there is no other way to save the situation!

[Kronos]

The generals of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have their relatives and acquaintances, why should they promote talented, but strangers?

[seamen2]

* With me, employees of strangers are very rare; More and more sisters, sister-in-law children; One Molchalin is not my own, And then that is business. How will you begin to introduce to the christening, to the town, Well, how not to please your own little man!

[Chronos]

Quote: Kronos

The generals of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have their relatives and acquaintances, why should they promote talented, but strangers?

Do you think the situation with the top team personnel is much better in the NM LDNR? Were all appointments based on talent there?

[Alf]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

Stalin and SMESHR are needed - there is no other way to save the situation!

It is forbidden. Stalin will first purge all power, but then there will be absolute silence in the Kremlin...

[iouris]

And the last. If partial mobilization did not help (and it will not help, because NATO and the United States have many times more resources), then there is no need to limit yourself in choosing means when a "difficult situation develops" at the front. The commander must be appointed capable of solving the assigned task, and the commander must have a free hand.

[hhurik]

Quote from antiput

General Muradov

Rude scribble, somehow does not fit. Or maybe it's all fake?

[vladimirvn]

Yes, this is the bottom when the details of the military operation are discussed in the media.

[hhurik]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

Clearly, Stalin and SMESHR are needed - there is no other way to save the situation!

Definitely

[Miragor B]

Quote: iouris

And the last. If partial mobilization did not help (and it will not help, because NATO and the United States have many times more resources), then there is no need to limit yourself in choosing means when a "difficult situation develops" at the front. The commander must be appointed capable of solving the assigned task, and the commander must have a free hand.

Do you propose to use tactical nuclear weapons? The right decision. There is nothing wrong with using this weapon - it is not prohibited, unlike chemical
and bacteriological weapons

[runway-1]

Foaming at the mouth supporting emancipatory and the denazifying nature of the NWO, seriously discuss and "explain" the need for the use of nuclear weapons. Is this a malicious provocation or an extreme degree of oligophrenia in the desire to become a rogue state?! Does it occur to anyone that such strikes against a non-nuclear state will be regarded as an inhumane act, expressing our impotence and the failure of the NMD, will cause the unconditional condemnation of most states and the alienation of a few conditionally friendly countries with extremely adverse consequences?

[tatra]

I am very surprised that this news was published here. Here, the Russian enemies of the USSR have only victories, and the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR have only defeats and huge victims. And who dared to write something else, they are immediately called Russian enemies of the USSR

TsPSOshnik

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tatra

Here at the Russian enemies of the USSR about

You better explain the role of the Communist Party of the USSR and the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU in the collapse of the USSR and the bloc of Warsaw Pact countries, the death of Yugoslavia, and as a result of the war in Ukraine ...! Where are the communist regiments and battalions!? Why are there no leaders of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the front line? What is this mess? Why didn't you volunteer?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: 30 vis

Why are there no leaders of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the front line?

but Rogozin and United Russia are widely represented there and they are in the trenches and help with humanitarian aid. What are the leftists doing? except for Rebellious Jack, I didn’t hear something that they somehow helped the people. Yes, and he's been screwing around with our leftists lately. Western Trotskyists are resting...

[PC]

Some commentators write about betrayal. There is no betrayal. There is stupidity and incompetence. And the desire to report to the higher. And all this results in a war crime.

[Sid2014]

And you didn’t notice how our mood and comments from bravura-patriotic even before the start of the operation on February 24, as well as immediately after ((NOR will go down in the history of military art! It will be studied even in the West! I want to laugh), they switched to anxious and decadent. Who is to blame? What to do? And we are all to blame, who lived in clover and did not prepare at all to fight and die (for the yachts of the oligarchs).

[Molten]

If we were met in Ukraine with flowers, then the NWO would go down in history, and Putin would star in the next film, where he would boast about how he personally led the entire operation at night (remember Yanukovych and Crimea).
But NWO has already entered another story. Who is to blame, you ask?)))

[Artic Ice]

Admins. It seems that those who have filled up otvagu have now moved here.
About the impossibility of taking Pavlovka they wrote right away. For example "Tactical task. Carbon". And you need to focus on Novomikhailovka. The operation in Pavlovka continues until there is no decision on Novomikhailovka.

[iz odessy]

fire bag -90% of the smart people here ..think about the bag. Somehow a very long time ago, in the early 80s, I got to motorized rifles, and they have "position equipment" and a company commander, such an old captain. He walks along the "digging line", with a "pattern on the profile" and yells, inappropriately, but the meaning is clear - "every dug centimeter will not let you die like idiots." And the earth with stones, foothills

[Sebostyuan]

In order for some commander, drunk or foolish, not to carry out mindless operations, a representative of the headquarters is needed. In our case, from the FSO. The Kremlin should know the real state of affairs not only from the reports of Sh. and G.

[hhurik]

I'm embarrassed to say - can you imagine the level of competence of FSO employees? These are people who protect the bodies of those in power and take out - there is such a thing - pots behind them, so that the enemy, when studying feces, does not guess about the diseases of the protected person. For more - they are not capable due to the specifics of the craft.
We even know of one.

[Sebostyuan]

With the FSO, I only suggested. In any case, the Kremlin should receive information about the state of affairs. Or form a new institution of military pensioners. One person per brigade or regiment headquarters is not much, for which the infa is not distorted.
PS. I'm not sure that the situation was exactly the way it is presented to us. Two friends decided to carry out the operation on their own for their own personal benefit. Most likely this is part of a larger operation, but for some reason it did not work out in Pavlovka.

[Drotro]

These are the charms of our democracy.
Previously, at least the incoming information was filtered.
Now they put everything on public display. Although already used to it.

But on paper all sorts of state secrets are indicated. In fact, the gaps in these state secrets cannot be counted if such things are leaked through open channels.

[Altmann]

I'm confused, after a long war in power of some kind, how is this possible? At the first stage, the attack was carried out by generals and colonels, many fell heroes, and now the soldiers are commanded by someone without experience, isn’t there a system of formations, subordinates and commanders who cover the fire of aviation, artillery, as we old people have learned? Where is the mistake, I almost want to say where Smersh was. The soldiers died because of bad command, it is beyond my understanding.

[navigator777]

I now understand why what happened near Kharkov happened, but because our people are constantly afraid of losses and loss of people's support. And how can you free the territory of the Russian lands already without incurring losses ??? The enemy makes any sacrifice for the sake of success, and we always whine about losses. No guys, this war cannot be won with such an approach, it should not have been started then if they were afraid of losses. I won’t be surprised if Kherson is surrendered under the pretext of heavy losses.

[Russian Patriot]

Forward.
Go to the nearest military enlistment office.

[Sid2014]

Many went and fought, but that's strange, those who ran away and sat out after receiving summons why they were released from responsibility. No one will go to war next time. Everyone will hide. Nobody wants to die.

[Deon59]

And why are they not at the front themselves .. The gut is thin

[Sid2014]

Ukraine is ready to go all the way. Fight and win regardless of losses. We don't know what's important to us. Although probably negotiations. But from what position is strong or weak? One thing is clear that we were NOT ready for such a war. And all the power of our army is just a fake, otherwise how to understand the lack of air supremacy, the death of the flagship, the flight from the Kharkov region, and much more.

[Kronos]

If you do not fight competently, you can simply put all the soldiers.

[Uncle AU]

Such things cannot be made public and discussed. If everything that is written in the letter is true, severely punish the commanders who allowed this situation and military correspondents to think what and where they write, because their enemies also read and analyze their articles.

[dementor873]

The system has reached a critical point, if its failures are not made public, then one day, going out into the street in the morning, you will be surprised to see Ukrainians at your entrance asking whose Crimea? To understand what they are talking about, it is enough to ask people in Izyum and Balakliya about it on one such morning, when they were already considered citizens of the Russian Federation.

[FoBoss_VM]

You can take it out, you should and you SHOULD!! Therefore, if you hush up, then everything will continue like this, and commanders of such creatures will feel omnipotent and untouchable. If they don’t want to lift the moratorium on the death penalty, then the quadruple for such ghouls should shine like hello, with confiscation of property, deprivation of titles and awards. Enough to encourage mediocrity, mediocrity and sycophancy. Especially when it's all washed abundantly with the blood of soldiers!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Uncle AU

If everything that is written in the letter is true, severely punish the commanders

what if it's a lie? what to do with these bloggers?

[Russian Patriot]

They won't show it on TV. In fact, the situation is similar in many sectors of the front. One gets the feeling that our generals do not want to win.

[ALARI]

Do you think that Kherson was evacuated in vain? You are wrong. The generals not only don’t want to, they simply don’t know how to win, the soldier always wins, and these can only win during exercises when the roles are assigned.

[Alf]

Quote: RussianPatriot

One gets the feeling that our generals do not want to win.

Yes, they don’t want to, but they simply don’t know how. And now the situation is such that our General Staff does not know what to do, because all the previously bravura reports about having no analogues turned out to be nonsense, so the generals are rushing around like ... in a fire. And then the unwillingness of the people to fight and die for no one knows what came out, and the collapse of industry, and the state of military reserves that evaporated no one knows where and how, and the lack of modern means of communication and control. And it all happened at the same time. That is why we hear from the Kremlin about the readiness for dialogue...

[skeptic]

"Russian military officers report a difficult situation....."

It looks like a circus and the clowns are talking at the meeting...

[Ulum]

Quote from monetam

I agree. Completely wrong approach to the situation. If each unit evaluates incoming orders, then in the end we will actually come to the position of the Russian army in the summer of 1917: demoralization and complete power of the soldiers' committees.

Don't you want to go to the front line yourself, smart guy? These stripes don’t feel sorry for anyone. Only there are no victories now and are not expected. And the troops have already accumulated many questions for Mr. Gerasimov.

[Deon59]

And Gerasimov and others like him put a big emphasis on the opinion of their subordinates. If they order the round one to be carried and the square one to be rolled, they will quickly do it.

[Aviator_]

According to the commander of the Vostok battalion, Alexander Khodakovsky

Of course, he may well have any opinion. But today he suddenly revealed that 60% of our losses were from “friendly fire.” Even if this is so, he has no right to post this information on the Internet. However, perhaps this is a fake on his behalf. I remember that in 2014 he was responsible for the shooting of an ambulance with our wounded, who were being transported from the Donetsk airport. Perhaps it was just a mess back then, but I am annoyed by commanders who solve their problems via the Internet. Kadyrov started this.

[zan_parti]

Probably such information cannot be made public. But it seems that each unit is fighting on its own. And if the boys write to the governor, then there are clearly problems with the coordination of the work of both units among themselves and within a single unit. Perhaps publicity will be useful. And the point is not to punish the perpetrators, the main thing is to help improve the system of coordination of actions between different departments.

[isv000]

Quote: zan_parti

And if the boys write to the governor, then there are clearly problems with the coordination of work between departments

Yat! There is no connection between each other, but contacting Donbass and Primorye from battle is a couple of trifles! You write, write, but don’t talk...

[Chronos]

Quote: isv000

Quote: zan_parti

And if the boys write to the governor, then there are clearly problems with the coordination of work between departments

Yat! There is no connection between each other, but contacting Donbass and Primorye from battle is a couple of trifles! You write, write, but don’t talk...

Look at the root. I propose to wait until Muradov is removed and see who gets appointed.

[solar]

Do you think they will be suspended? The governor of Primorye cannot do this with all his desire.

[ananias mudishev]

If the units had fought on their own, such a barrack would not have existed. They know better on the spot how to fight, but they receive orders from headquarters, where they don’t see a clue and don’t know anything

[Adagka]

The Kremlin bots have flooded the entire thread with their saliva, they’ve already labeled Sladkov as an enemy of the people (and unlike the Kremlin bots, he walks under bullets), a few more Marines will be labeled as traitors and alarmists just to work off their thirty pieces of silver.

[Third district]

Quote: Adagka

Krmelebots flooded the entire thread with their saliva, and they have already written down Sladkov as an enemy of the people

They have been trying to enroll him there for a long time. There is an opinion that now there is more harm from the work of guards and explainers than from Bandera’s followers.

[PC]

Opinions in the comments were divided. Some criticize military officers, others criticize mediocre generals.
Guys, our guys are dying there! If people like Sladkov remain silent, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will march on Red Square on May 9!

[Ser Vak]

“Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. The Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you.
Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General M. and his corefan countryman A. in order for M. to earn bonuses in front of the Chief of the General Staff, and A. comrade M. promised the Hero of Russia.

As a result, we and the Marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the “carefully” planned offensive by the “great commanders”, in 4 days we lost about ... people killed, wounded and missing. ... percent of equipment. This is just our team

[agond]

Everything is the same as everywhere else, somewhere in production an employee damages equipment, for example, the driver lost control, or someone made a defect in the work, then he may be asked to deduct damages, and, say, for breaking a contract, they may be required to return the cost of training, and with those who led it are not in demand

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

1. If this is true, then people need to be taken out of there.
2. If all this is given like this, why storm a certain point X? There are thousands of such points even on the left bank. This is the road to nowhere
3. A more rational approach at this stage is to let the enemy attack himself. We can do better this way
4. In order not to waste time, but to bring victory closer, it is necessary to destroy the Ukrainian energy system. The Pindos chatted us up and distracted us from the winning topic. We need to return to her urgently
5. If somewhere you still need to break through something, like the suburbs of Donetsk. That:
a) all bridges on the periphery of the zone that must be taken are destroyed
b) broken bridges are targeted
c) for several days, dangerous points are identified and targeted (with photographic recording) destroyed
d) in parallel, routes for transporting everything are identified. There should be coprets and artefacts on duty there at all times.
e) on night X, troops are landed from helicopters at a shallow depth or at a point most convenient for us and inconvenient for the enemy - and attacks in the rear of the first line. Having a full understanding of where to move and what to do. At the same time, active frontal shelling begins, during the shelling the main forces move forward - along the front - they also know who is moving where - they have studied the location of the fortifications. It is advisable (mandatory) to have protective gowns. If there is a smoke screen, that's a plus. Throwing grenades at enemy positions.
f) Next, the art switches to approaches - the coordinates of which it already knows. Begins to process what comes as reinforcement.

This all seems expensive. This requires mental work and a thoughtful approach. But in the end, this approach will be many times more effective - both in terms of people and in terms of ammunition consumption.

[Al manah]

You are in vain to consider yourself smarter than wise generals who graduated from various academies.

[Adagka]

Is General Armageddon even aware there or what? He seems to be the commander of his team now? If his level is to smash his head into Pavlovka, then it’s scary for Kherson.

[Chronos]

Quote: Adagka

Is General Armageddon even aware there or what? He seems to be the commander of his team now? If his level is to smash his head into Pavlovka, then it’s scary for Kherson.

I think you know. Wangyu: as a result of the scandal, Muradov will be replaced by a general close to the Surovikin-Kadyrov-Prigozhin triumvirate. Note that, as in the story with Lapin, they criticize the generals who are allegedly (or not allegedly) protected by Gerasimov. And the headquarters of the Northern Military District is very carefully bracketed out in the letter. As if he doesn’t exist.

[Alf]

Quote from Victor

And I ask you to name these leaders - let everyone know these freaks.
Demote them to the infantry, let them get weapons in battle

And the leaders must be named, and the leaders of the leaders must be named, and those, more precisely, the one who appointed such leaders. The fish rots from the head...

[gromit]

This is the second piece of news in a row from Mr. Khodakovsky, which carries a sentence of “discreditation.”
And what is typical is that it takes place at VO, filtering out negativity for 9 months.
Yes, and in Yandex, notes began to flash, either about dissatisfied mobs, or about the appeal of the Yankees, Indians, Papuans to Ukrainians about the start of negotiations...
If I were an old cynic, I would have decided that something long awaited would soon happen. Exclusively, at the “requests of the workers,” yeah.

[Kronos]

Any adequate worker is for peace, not war.

[iz odessy]

There is a subject called "martial arts". for some it suits the suit, and for others it’s “extra bullshit.” If the panic here is justified, we need to figure it out, but later. Now concentrate both motorized rifles and aurtillery and withdraw them in a coordinated manner. Subjectively (Dianochka doesn’t like this word on this site) - without total air supremacy and without almost carpet bombing strikes, there will be no victory. There will be mutual “nasties” like hymars vs geranium and without military results. It’s not funny for 280+ days of war, it’s HAPPY to report about 5-10 damaged infantry fighting vehicles, etc....near Donetsk, just outside the city

[Carlos Hall]

Comrades, comrades!!! Don't listen to the urbots and their poisonous propaganda. This news is more false than a green dog. This information is not verified or verified anywhere. These are enemy reconnaissance operations. The paratroopers stand their ground. We must start shooting those who spread false news, defeatists, traitors. The mentioned commanders Muradov and Akhmedov ordered an attack and ordered it well, because it is impossible to take the village in a year. Continue west. We need more Kadyrovs and more Muradovs.

[Third district]

Quote from Carlos Sala

Comrades, comrades!!! Don't listen to the urbots and their poisonous propaganda. This news is more false than a green dog.

I’m not tired of pretending to be a Spaniard yet. Shoot, as old Zhvanetsky said, you need to be more attentive, more careful.

[iz odessy]

and he also said - one careless move and... you are a father!!

[Alf]

Quote from Carlos Sala

The paratroopers stand their ground.

Exactly. Because they have nowhere to retreat, they are cut off.

Quote from Carlos Sala

because it is impossible to take a village in a year.

But in the Second World War we reached from Kursk to the western border in a year...

[Chronos]

Quote: Alf

But in the Second World War we reached from Kursk to the western border in a year...

And in 41 they surrendered Minsk in three weeks, and in 42 they attacked Rzhev. Enough already, but in the Second World War, any historical analogies are conditional.

[Ghost1]

The helmsman himself created such a control apparatus in all spheres; not to see this, one must be a person completely divorced from reality. And the main thing is that even now there are no noticeable purges on the quiet, which suggests that some people are generally satisfied with everything.

[iz odessy]

how easy it is for you, I even envy such people, until you make such a foreman, give them the right to form a brigade...from what you have, and then wildly regret it

[spirit]

, which suggests that some people are generally satisfied with everything.

Nikolai2 was also happy with everything) “Chess Player” is moving towards his destiny with leaps and bounds

[Alf]

Quote: spirit

Nikolay2 was also happy with everything)"

But even when they clicked the shutters in the basement, I still didn’t understand why...

[runway-1]

Yesterday, when they quoted Khodakovsky, they did not provide this text:

Still, eight years in and around war sharpens intuition and improves understanding of military space - my fears about Pavlovka were not in vain. I make a proposal: to preserve the design of the DPR hero’s star for the Russian award series, and to present it in cases where the situation requires it, but when the military leader has accomplished a “feat”, the “game” of which is not worth the candle. For Pavlovka, just such a star - with a black stripe - should be awarded to the generator of this operation - as a sign of special distinction.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

It is strictly forbidden to start any important business on the eve of a total lunar eclipse - there is a high risk of failure, failure, loss.

[Alf]

Quote: Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers

It is strictly forbidden to start any important business on the eve of a total lunar eclipse - there is a high risk of failure, failure, loss.

Yes, you are right, some people experience exacerbations...

[Al manah]

From all the rumors it was said that the new commander-in-chief was very cool and would definitely command the khan’s enemies. And how it turned...

[faiver]

moves him to the left, there are no words, just continuous obscenities, and in relation to all the authors of the letter, and Sladkov and Khodakovsky, and the Primorsky governor, and the indicated generals

[AndrewMv]

Do you understand what kind of situation should have developed there, not just now, but throughout the whole time, for the Marines to write such letters? It’s time to put such commanders before a tribunal and resolve issues on the spot, rather than transferring them to quiet positions. This is treason. With such commanders we have already lost the army, now we will lose the remnants of the armed formations and that’s all.

[Chronos]

Quote from AndrewMv

Do you understand what kind of situation should have developed there, not just now, but throughout the whole time, for the Marines to write such letters?

This is definitely not the case. General Muradov appeared in this sector no earlier than October. By the way, Marines 155 had problems in this area before, under other commanders. But the letter was born only now.

[Arkady007]

There has been such a calm for the last five days. I felt something bad in my gut, and that’s what happened.
And again it comes down to the inability to quickly make decisions at the General Staff level.
How long can you step on a rake? There are no words.

[Esaul]

In short, it looks like the plan of the Russian authorities who screwed themselves up is this:
1. We dispose of as many soldiers as possible in order to justify the following points later
2. We surrender Kherson, then Zaporozhye
3. Freezing the conflict, Minsk-3
4. Then we live under sanctions for another 10 years, the population is impoverished, the army is degrading, and then NATO is right there

[solar]

Without arguing with the plan in essence, I want to draw your attention to the fact that Zaporozhye was not taken at all, so there is nothing to surrender.

[Esaul]

I meant the Zaporozhye region

[isv000]

Quote: TURAR

Like the letter itself.
https://t.me/topwar_official/64118

Learn Russian! It will come in handy!

[arnulla]

Excuse me, the Ministry of Defense is not up to Shoigu. Not at all. From the word at all..

[Alf]

Quote: arnulla

Excuse me, the Ministry of Defense is not up to Shoigu. Not at all. From the word at all..

We don't need smart people, we need faithful ones...

[Carlos Hall]

That's right comrade, the ukrobots are successfully spreading this garbage in collaboration with the fifth column. The news is false.

[1939_1940]

They haven’t discussed Makeyevka here yet.. Once they start, you will become even more hysterical.. The losses there are not the same as those of the Marines.. Everything is much worse there... Hang in there.. God willing, you will find out everything tomorrow...

[abolit66]

Regarding aviation, p. Alksnis V.
. Firstly, after more than eight months, Ukraine’s air defense has still not been suppressed and our aviation is suffering serious losses because of this. And secondly, there is nothing to carry out this task; there are no types of weapons necessary for this. First of all, high-precision ammunition. For example, glide bombs and long-range air-to-ground guided missiles. The only thing that the Aerospace Forces were capable of was delivering strikes by Long-Range Aviation aircraft with cruise missiles against stationary targets deep in the territory of Ukraine, as well as strikes by assault, army and strike aircraft against the enemy directly on the battlefield, in extreme cases in tactical depth, but at the same time carrying serious losses. Thirdly, our aircraft do not meet the requirements of modern warfare, they are outdated, especially in terms of electronics, they are not equipped with effective electronic warfare systems, and they are not capable of suppressing enemy air defenses. And fourthly, apparently, there is a political decision prohibiting attacks on transport hubs, bridges and other important facilities.
As a result, our strike aircraft, which are armed with Su-24M and Su-34 aircraft, are practically not used to isolate the combat area and therefore the Aerospace Forces do not solve their main task. And this leads to unjustified losses and loss of the ability to conduct offensive actions. In general, we must admit that our Air Force has largely lost its combat capability and is unable to conduct combat operations in a modern war.

[Carlos Hall]

Where is the letter, who saw it? Let the governor show the letter. Damned Ucrobots and damned fifth column. They must pay for this campaign of lies by launching another massive attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure.

[isv000]

Quote from Carlos Sala

Where is the letter, who saw it? Let the governor show the letter. Damned Ucrobots and damned fifth column. They must pay for this campaign of lies by launching another massive attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure.

Here these skakuas posted a link, they link to Telegram, oh, there is a source! Extinguish Kukuev, no matter the Internet, no heat, so that your fingers stand like a stake in front of the keyboard!

[Nikolaevich I]

This is all extremely disgusting! But we found someone to turn to! O. Kozhemyaka acted as governor of Sakhalin for some time after the super thief Khoroshavin was removed from the Tsugunder for mega-theft...! During the time spent in the governor's chair on Sakhalin, he signed a number of agreements with Moscow that were very unfavorable for Sakhalin...for this, Putin awarded him the governor's chair in Primorye, where Kozhemyaka had long sought ("asked")! On Sakhalin they hate Kozhemyaku!

[isv000]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

On Sakhalin they hate Kozhemyaku!

How long have you been from the Island?!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: isv000

How long have you been from the Island?!

Don't worry ! When Kozhemyaka committed his abominations, I was there... I know firsthand!

[FoBoss_VM]

He is hated not only on Sakhalin. As a resident of Vladivostok, I can say with confidence that in our region they treat him the same way. Everyone knows that using administrative resources he promotes the family business and his son, fish quotas, tax breaks, federal target programs and other goodies. Competitors are shamelessly stifled. In general, he treats the region and its wealth as a personal piggy bank. A mess in housing construction, a complete mess with infill development in the city, they are killing residential areas and spoiling the sea facade, disfiguring the historical center. A recent accident when half of the city sat without electricity for more than a day, the cables of 16 threads burned out because they install human networks for 1000 apartments in residential areas of the USSR on old networks, and they are not reconstructed. Roads and bridges in the region are a separate story; recent cases with the Nekrasovsky overpass and the road to Khasan are clear confirmation of this. So Kozhemyako is a vivid example of an anti-state official - a businessman. If I'm wrong, ask more Amur residents

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

He is hated not only on Sakhalin

Knowing Kozhemyaka’s disgustingness and the harm caused to him, I willingly believe it!

[lopvlad]

The first reports from this direction were full of optimism, the enemy was retreating, ours occupied half of the village. Then the enemy pulled up reserves and ours fell into the fire bag.

If there had been a firebag there, after a week of entering Pavlovka there would have been nothing left of ours there, but this is the usual situation, namely, the enemy pulled up reserves in people and equipment and began to counterattack our positions, taking advantage of the fact that it is located on a hill.
When capturing fortified areas, you always have to suffer increased losses in both people and equipment, especially if the enemy is at a commanding height on the ground and all NATO reconnaissance satellites (both civilian and military) are working for him.
And the settlements that Bandera’s followers turned into fortified areas will have to be wiped off the face of the earth, as the Americans do, and taking them for months in the hope of preserving a few houses in the settlement is frankly stupid and in some places even criminal.

[Dizel200]

So, as far as I understand, they know who it is and who is behind it. Why can’t this be voiced to society?

[mr wolf]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: TIR

So whoever commanded there, he really, if there is a conscience, should take off his shoulder straps

Remove all awards, demote to contract soldier and put on trial

Just not to court, but to where he messed up...

[Vincent price]

Commentators don’t understand that this is their goal, the destruction of the Russian army, or do you still believe in denazification?

[Zaurbek]

The names of the generals have already been announced there... Question from an amateur: Ugledar cannot be easily (or not easily) demolished by aircraft

[Alf]

Quote: Zaurbek

Question from an amateur: Ugledar cannot be easily (or not easily) demolished by aircraft

"There are people there too" ...

[Fan-fan]

They could have demolished it, I think they would have demolished it long ago.
Therefore, the conclusion is this: there is nothing to demolish.

[Frank Muller]

Don’t you know about the use of Russian aviation in the Northern Military District? They do not dare to use it en masse due to fear of massive losses from well-organized Ukrainian air defense. And severe BA cannot be considered widespread, as the RF Armed Forces should be. At the time of Taburetkin, the dominant concept was that a couple of hundred heavy strategic bombers were sufficient to conduct combat operations. So, to make up for possible future losses, considerable difficulties will arise. In general, for the same reasons, they do not risk actively using tactical aviation: serious, difficult-to-replace losses from MANPADS are quite real. Russian aircraft, as a rule, attack enemy missiles while over their territory. And the commander of the DPR troops has long proposed launching a massive carpet bomb attack on Avdeevka, Ugledar and other “impregnable fortified areas.” But, as you understand, things are still there. More precisely, not a cart, but an unbombed enemy, actively defending and attacking.

[Zaurbek]

As I understand it, in a separate area it is possible to destroy the air defense system (there are false targets, geraniums, etc. to overload the air defense). And Ugledar is on the dandy line..... Then from 5-6000m. You can throw cast iron quite accurately with the help of Hephaestus

[ananias mudishev]

One thing I don’t understand is how are we going to fight NATO if we can’t control the Ukrainians?

[Alf]

Quote: Ananiy Mudischev

One thing I don’t understand is how are we going to fight NATO if we can’t control the Ukrainians?

How-how... It was clearly said to you, just like a vigorous loaf... There is nothing else, and somehow he doesn’t know how...

[Carlos Hall]

This news was fabricated by ISW, a faction of the CIA and the Pentagon. The goal is to discredit the Russian army and its military-political leadership. Sow discord and internal divisions. Promote a coup to install Gorbachev II. Ucrobots and the fifth column are ready to go write as soon as they hear the whistle. Some careless people are deceived and unintentionally participate in the enemy's game. They are talking about evacuating Kyiv because there is no electricity. Crushing blow. They do not dare to attack Kherson, because certain death awaits them. There are sharp disagreements among Western allies over the cost of retaining Zelensky. They became distraught and called on the ISW to intensify their campaign of disinformation and hoaxes. The Russian military and its military-political leadership must respond to these provocations with massive attacks on Ukraine's energy infrastructure, what is left of it, and send agents to silence the task force Pentagon ISW.

[Alf]

Quote from Carlos Sala

discredit the Russian army

No one is discrediting the army; on the contrary, they are proud of it - to fight in such conditions... Where your own people are more terrible than your enemies...

Quote from Carlos Sala

and its military-political leadership.

And there is no need to discredit it, it does everything perfectly well...

[Frank Muller]

As an ancient Eastern proverb says, a herd of rams led by a lion is stronger than a herd of lions led by a ram. But sometimes it seems that the Russian army is led not by sheep at all, but by cowardly hares. With such a command, you know, you can’t really fight... The losses of 300 killed, wounded and unknown (if you believe the message) near Ugledar only confirm such an unpleasant conclusion.

[Eugene Zaboy]

This means that soon Ugledar will be taken, or surrounded, I don’t know which is better. Only such news usually indicates problems with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I don’t know why they didn’t take him right away when the Ukrainian Armed Forces scurried out of there, and then they were allowed to return, but that’s a separate issue.

[Kronos]

How does this news imply the imminent encirclement or capture of Vugledar?

[Eugene Zaboy]

What else can follow from this news? There are no other conclusions visible, only one.

[Got it]

And at this time - “The Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church awarded Zolotov the badge of a temple builder after the consecration of the temple in Balashikha.”

Well, damn it, 2 branches of the oldest corporation open in Russia per day, what an amazing achievement! Off topic? This is a matter of priorities! Temples and business. This SVO is already popularly called commercial because of the grain deal, the lack of bombing of Ukrainian supply routes, gas pipelines, etc. agreements. That's why people are scratching their heads - why are they fighting...?

[Denis Ch]

There’s one thing I don’t understand, why can’t this charcoal be blown away by a hairdryer with heavy bombs? And don’t let the Marines go to slaughter.

[FoBoss_VM]

Can . Massive raids can do a lot of things, the arsenal for the Tu22 may be healthy with us. In Kherson, it is possible to do so that a raid by one regiment can, in principle, put an end to the entire army group in that area. It will be possible to walk calmly to Nikolaev. The same is true in other sectors of the front. But our generals are not allowed to do this, there is a clear ban. Although fabs and odabs during a massive raid can solve a lot of problems and, most importantly, save the lives of many of our soldiers. But no. In 1914-1917, all the fleet commanders in the Baltic asked headquarters to give the go-ahead for the withdrawal of the newest battleships from the bases, but the tsar did not give it, he was afraid. The same analogy suggests itself here: everyone is waiting for something to take care of. No matter how late it was. We all know how 1917 ended for the Russian Empire

[opuonmed]

As I understand it, the Russian Federation has no satellites, no real-time reconnaissance, nothing even poor communication! Then the question is where did the money go? How was it possible to send people without cover in real time? (to card the battle in real time) or in the Russian Federation everything is according to the precepts of the 70-80s?

[Alf]

What it means

Quote: opuonmed

where did the money go?

? Mastered...

[crocodile25]

[Quote] [/ quote]I agree with my colleagues that it is difficult for lions to fight and win if they are commanded by rams.

Here is a letter from the Pacific Fleet marines who are dying in the battles for Pavlovka and Ugledar south of Donetsk.

Full letter from the soldiers of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Russian Pacific Fleet addressed to the governor of the Primorsky Territory:

“Dear Oleg Nikolaevich. The Marines of the 155th Marine Brigade are addressing you.
Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General Muradov and his fellow countryman Akhmedov so that Muradov would earn bonuses over Gerasimov and Akhmedov would be promised a hero of Russia by Muradov. As a result, we and the Marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the “carefully” planned offensive by the “great commanders”, we lost about 4 people killed, wounded and missing in 300 days. 50 percent technology. This is just our team. The district command, together with Akhmedov, hides this and underestimates the official loss figures for fear of responsibility. How they were going to capture a populated area, rushing through the plantings in which the enemy remained, now destroying ours on the routes for evacuating the wounded and transporting ammunition. In addition, Pavlovka is lower than Ugledar, from which they are hitting us.
Oleg Nikolaevich, Primorye people! How long will such mediocrities like Muradov and Akhmedov plan military operations for the sake of their reports and receive awards at the cost of the lives of so many people. They don't care about anything just to show themselves. They call people meat.
We ask you to contact the Supreme Commander to send a commission not from the Ministry of Defense where Muradova is protected by Gerasimov, but an independent one. Let them be asked the purpose of such actions, their support, and the results without embellishment.
How much can you endure!”

Let them draw conclusions at the top - in the command of the Northern Military District, the President, the General Staff, and finally, if he decides something. But... one thing is certain - responsibility for the failures and deaths of people must be PERSONAL, as in the Great Patriotic War, otherwise all the goals and recognitions voiced during this SVO, which is bashfully not called a war, are worthless...

@voenkorKotenok

[tolmachiev51]

"Smersh"!!! only he can rectify the situation with the corrupt generals - no need to shoot them, a pistol with one cartridge and 5 minutes to “think.” American money began to do its vile work.

[171brsk]

Quote from Drleavesee

From love to hate one step? Usually they write here that Chechens are handsome, but here it is:

Learn the materiel, they are not Chechens.

[171brsk]

With such “letters” the collapse of the army begins! Together with the revolt of those mobilized in Kazan, these events are the first “bells” for a repeat of February 1917. If in this regard it is not possible to establish strict military discipline, I’m afraid very difficult times await us. I hope the leadership of the country and the Armed Forces realizes this. It is regrettable that such a letter was written by the first brigade during the Northern Military District to receive the honorary name “Guards”.

[FoBoss_VM]

Or maybe precisely because SUCH units write such letters and it means that the situation on the ground is already simply CRITICAL?

[oracul]

It’s sad to think about how many people die because of the stupidity and arrogance of people who still hold command posts in the army and profess some kind of corporate solidarity. It is necessary not only to call, but to deal immediately with those responsible, to punish mercilessly and to tell the truth.

[glock-17]

Even if they have serious air defense there, they could not spare Geraniums or Iskanders to save the lives of the guys. But it seems the generals decided that the goals were not worth it.

[barbiturate]

There is a lot that is not clear, of course: why did they break through a narrow corridor into Pavlovka, into the lowlands, and the flanks were not cleared, why is it so difficult to shoot high-rise buildings in Ugledar... and it is already clear that without tactical nuclear weapons we cannot win, we have no advantage, no in technology, not in people, and even the lag in intelligence and communications provided by the United States, as well as in the minds of commanders, this is already obvious to everyone, because the army is a cast of society, and our officials are known to everyone, and in the army, they are the same people. For the Ukrainians, operations are planned by Western generals, and there they don’t give out titles in bathhouses with women and vodka, and they don’t give out titles for a loud voice and figure either, there the generals are thin, wear glasses, but they know how to think, but here they exchange one monkey for another, from different bathhouses, but as friends you don’t sit down...

[FoBoss_VM]

Well, apparently, to report to the top cheerfully and bravely. And drill holes for the heroes' stars

[FoBoss_VM]

Well, apparently these two commoners mentioned in the letter think that since 300 thousand were called up, it means they can kill hundreds of people, like they’ll call up another 500. There are still a lot of men left in Rus'

[single-n]

Damn, what's going on in military command and control? Now a call to mom/dad/governor will take precedence over an order from a military commander? And what do you mean they couldn’t convey the information? Is there an army of 100 million and a chain of command of 50 links? What nonsense.

[kkoly]

Back in the spring, as in the last few years, the commander of the 155th separate marine brigade of the Pacific Fleet was Captain 1st Rank Igor Tatarchenko (a former Ukrainian officer who served in Crimea and, after joining, was sent to the Pacific Fleet). At the beginning of the special operation near Kiev, it was he who commanded the brigade. I haven’t read anywhere about his removal from office. I have never heard of General Akhmedov. Moreover, if you type “Ahmedov” in the search, then only links related to the letter will appear. By searching for "Tatarchenko" there are many links related to the 155th brigade, dating back to the period before the Northern Military District.

[igorlvov]

nothing has changed, the Sevastopol brigade of marines was thrown to slaughter, now the Pacific Fleet marines...