Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" began to clean up Experienced, fierce battles are going on

Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" are attacking the southern outskirts of Bakhmut (Artemovsk), the battles are going on for Experienced, which is a suburb. The enemy puts up fierce resistance, striking with artillery and mortars, but the fights do not come at a short distance, the Vushniks prefer to retreat, realizing that the superiority here is on the side of the Wagnerites.

According to one of the "musicians", Ivangrad, located about a kilometer from the quarters of Artemovsk, was finally cleared the day before, and fighting began on the southern outskirts of the city. The situation is complicated by the terrain, Ivangrad is located in a lowland, while Opytnoye and the southern outskirts of Artemovsk hang over it. This allows tanks APU to conduct crossfire on the village.

Ivangrad is ahead, it is ours. We will clean up the experimental one now. To the north we are already entering Bakhmut, we are slowly drawn in (...) Everything is flying - 152nd, 120th. Basically, there is little shooting combat. They hit with artillery. Tanks are tired, we are tired of them

- leads RIA News fighter's words.

The enemy tried to carry out counterattacks and dislodge the assault groups of the orchestra, which were entrenched on the southern outskirts of Artemovsk, but had no success. Also, an attempt to attack the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the side of Experienced across the Bakhmutka River failed, the enemy retreated after suffering losses. On the official TG channel, PMC Wagner confirms the exit to the southern outskirts of Artemovsk and the beginning of the cleansing of Experienced. It is also reported that units of "musicians" are also entering the northern direction, the eastern part of the city along the Bakhmutka River is already under our control.

Earlier it was reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine made an attempt to cut the Artemovsk-Berestovoye-Lysichansk highway, but the attack was repulsed. The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hopes to recapture the settlements located around the city, taking advantage of the numerical superiority, but everything is useless.

Comments

[Arkady007]

It is difficult to read the text with obvious spelling errors, it seems that everyone graduated from school without an essay.

[Eragon]

The situation is complicated by the terrain, Ivangrad is located in a lowland, while Opytnoye and the southern outskirts of Artemovsk hang over it. This allows the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to cross-fire on the village.

Once again I read this (only the names of the settlements change) and I don’t understand why you can’t take the heights first, and only then the lowlands.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Eragon

I don’t understand why you can’t take the heights first, and only then the lowlands.

Heights only because heights are usually surrounded by lowlands.

[fiberboard]

Because it is easier to cover the height with concentrated artillery fire and mix the attackers or defenders with the ground. We moved away from the tactics of the Second World War.

[Eragon]

Quote: fiberboard

Because it is easier to cover the height with concentrated artillery fire and mix the attackers or defenders with the ground. We moved away from the tactics of the Second World War.

So it is much better to take the lowland, incurring high losses from concentrated fire from the heights, and then storm the heights under the same concentrated fire? The beauty. For some reason, they did the opposite in WWII. The battles were fought primarily for the heights, the enemy himself retreated from the lowlands. Maybe, all the same, apply the tactics of the Second World War?

[smart ass]

I'm afraid that the command of the Russian Federation is not at all aware of what the Wagners are doing, perhaps from a strategic point of view, Artyomovsk is not needed by the Russian army, and the Wagners are dying there

[d1975]

I will answer you probably almost exactly. There is the concept of terrain. The heights prevail over the lowlands. Have you heard about the concept of Donetsk Ridge? There is no plain as such. Naturally, the defense works from the heights. This is the last one to be rented. Therefore, the mess. Pointing, correction and more. Look at any physical map, everything is there. Even a schoolboy knows this))) Now it has rained and the weather there is just ..oops. Add cold. And the last advantage is always with the competent organization of the defenders. Are you sure you're special?

[Shark Lover]

At a height, even a small one, there is not even a need to keep a battalion for defense, it is enough to plant intelligent spotters, a dozen or two posts, to cover all zones and artillery, MLRS mortars, somewhere 5-8 km artillery, mortars 2-3 km, shoot, a fire card and forward, everything will be swept away at the lines of attack. During the day we shoot a tray of 10 points, set up pegs (not an artilleryman, we figured it out ourselves), at night, we just stupidly soaked the pegs, not a single infection could come up

[PSih2097]

Quote from odessy

which is correct "tora" or "tor-ra"?

I know about Tor M/M2...

[begemot20091]

removed from the tongue. Sofa troops, along with the heroes of Upper Lars, are on the move.

[loki565]

Objectively, PMCs showed themselves very well, having in one organization, assault squads of armored vehicles, artillery and even aviation. This allows you to quickly engage units both in the offensive and in defense.

[iz odessy]

objectively, how do you like it? like "I said"? or wrote

[mikh-korsakov]

My comment is not about my own attitude to what is happening. I, like all the other members of the forum, are not there. Therefore, I use what our media presents. Ukrainian publics - I disdain to read because I think that the opinion of this enemy needs to be known to specialists in psychiatry. But I also noticed that the tone of the Russian media has changed. Fanfares sounded at the beginning of the operation. Then they were replaced by stories about how powerful the enemy’s defense is, but our fellows are biting in step by step, slowly but surely. I have a bad habit of fixing in memory the names of the liberated settlements. So they reported that our Ivangrad was taken 10 days ago and completely cleaned up, but it turns out only yesterday. But that's okay. Recently, it has become fashionable to tell the public about how skillful the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in defense and offensive, how well they are equipped, how well they master the tactics of modern combat, in contrast, the activities of the RF Armed Forces are presented in a negative light: mediocre commanders, backward equipment, etc. , all this is served under the sauce that without the analysis of the general public, our failures cannot be defeated. But nothing happens by chance in the Russian media. IMHO, such a turn is needed in order to prepare the public for the need to conclude an "obscene" peace with Ukraine with dancing in the style of Minsk-3. I don't see any other goals. During the Second World War, our failures were never discussed openly, who needed to fly up to the execution, but not publicly.

[Kronos]

Well, now it’s not the Second World War and public coverage of problems means, first of all, that no matter how quietly no one decides to have to raise a scandal so that they start moving. The conclusion of peace is also likely, simply because it turned out that, unlike Ukraine, Russia did not prepare for a modern war with a strong adversary.

[dmi.pris1]

The conclusion of peace is not likely, it will be. Next year. We simply won’t be able to “fight” for so long. All of Europe, with the United States and others, is against us, and only six months later we reached the point of partial mobilization. All of Russia must fight. Otherwise, we will be swept away

[Nickelium]

You are greatly mistaken. This is how we can fight for decades, but the West cannot. The West needs, if not a blitzkrieg, a year-and-a-half-2 victory at the most. Farther from Ukraine itself there will be firebrands, the military will be mostly ground. So there is no need to drive a blizzard that will be swept away.

[dmi.pris1]

We can’t fight for decades. The economic and political component is no match for the one that was under the USSR. By the way, happy October And about the "obscene world" - time will tell

[Nickelium]

Well, yes. Donbass lasted 8 years, but Russia with its resources cannot. Don't make fun of my slippers.
Of course they will show and show .. a crowd of captured Bandera on the scaffold.

[Shark Lover]

I listened to the guys here, not bad guys, everyone came from there, now who is the instructor, whose contract has ended. For 30 years, no more, I was even surprised, young, born in the 90s and for Russia they drown be healthy.
What is the thought. There was a question /, NATO (without the Americans) will start fighting with us with troops, what will change. The answer is nothing, they are already there. Most importantly, the Europeans will not go to a war that is incomprehensible to them en masse, they lived in prosperity and pleasure for 50 years. The only NATO army (except the United States) that is dangerous to us is Turkish, there is a motivation to be healthy (in the sense of the motherland.)

[mikh-korsakov]

The "starting conditions" of the Second World War and the NWO were similar. In both cases, we were not ready for war. In both cases, the army was "ostentatious" given the difference in eras. It is not true that people, incl. the military then did not criticize our leadership. read at least "The Living and the Dead" by Simonov. You can trust him, he was there. As then, as now, the fate of the war was decided by a group of comrades from the Kremlin. These people, as then, are cut off from the masses of people. One of the heroes of the novel ponders whether thousands of matyukov soldiers in the war hear there in the Kremlin. But that's where the similarity ends. Then people fought for their land, against the invaders, now for the cabinet ideas of the leaders, even if they are a hundred times correct, but you can’t get away from the fact that Ukraine did not attack the Russian Federation. The current situation is more like the First World War. How it ended, the authorities know. The authorities know, so they are trying to get off, but our opponents are also not easy. So who will blink first.

[Nickelium]

Doesn't look like PMV at all. If Germany had taken out France's infrastructure and industrial facilities, it would not have lasted long. France would collapse, England would flee to her island. So your sheet for 200 hryvnia does not work here.

[mikh-korsakov]

Bullshit. During the Second World War, the Allies bombed the German cities to rubble. I can personally testify to the long-term consequences of this. However, until our Berlin was taken, the Germans did not capitulate. It follows from this that victory can happen only after the capture of Kyiv. But nothing allows us to hope so. By the way, judging by your letter, you know the place where you can get the hryvnia. Send 200, but in rubles, because hryvnias are not quoted with us.

[Nickelium]

Ours were already near Kiev. How did they take it? Even if we go out to Chop, it is not a fact that the war will end. That's when the Capitol capitulates then it will end.
I dont know. But you know that, right?

[mikh-korsakov]

Well, they were near Kyiv, so what? They left on their own. What it was - for me personally it is not clear, because I am used to operating with facts, which can be seen from the media - can be briefly attributed to the category of HPP. But I don’t believe that Putin is a college girl who is easy to seduce and leave. So there was something that they don't talk about. I'm afraid I won't live to find out what it is. I understand that the analogy is inconvenient, but the Germans were also near Moscow, and then it’s like that.

[Nickelium]

Well, yes. Compare more Germans and Sumerians. Balakleya is a kindergarten compared to Kyiv, Minsk, Vyazma.

[Nickelium]

Mr. Korsakov, there was talk of WWI. There was not so much aviation in WWI. There were no rockets at all. So by you with your examples. Maybe look into the crystal ball and find the right analogy?

[Nickelium]

You are behind the times. No peace is possible now. Only complete surrender. The West speaks directly about this. But the wise men from Topvar are talking about some kind of world. What the hell is the world? It's either a complete loss or a complete victory. Drive this into your brains before you croak about Minsks.

[mikh-korsakov]

It's one thing wise men, what a demand from wise men, but the point is the actual situation on the fronts. It is clear that the KhPP did not work; instead of greetings from the fraternal people, they received graters with a rabid NATO bloc. It is clear that the NATO bloc takes on mass, on equipment and on intellect, of which NATO has more than all of them. The word "the wolf, thinking to get into the sheepfold, ended up in the kennel" with all the consequences. Further, what to do to the wolf, I think it is clear.

[Nickelium]

Intelligence is highly unlikely, because with a global nix, there will be nothing left of Nata herself. The intellectual should, as it were, foresee such events, and if there is a risk of being multiplied by zero, bypass it.
Well, what about a wolf versus a tiger or a polar bear? The layout changes dramatically. Is not it? And the sheepfold is all NATO, except for the States and Turkey. So I wouldn't be in such a hurry to gloat.

[MBRSS]

iz odessy the participation of PMCs in a state event is one of the "oddities" of this war. Or rather, the policy of the leadership of the Russian Federation, when the number of ground forces of the country is inferior to the number of internal troops (Rosgvardia). There is simply not enough trained infantry. And of course, like any private office, Prigozhin needs to advertise his offspring.

[sadam2]

Quote: MBRBS

Prigogine needs to advertise his offspring.

Well, if PMCs do work, then why are they still outside the law ??? article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation 359 for mercenarism has not yet been canceled ... do we have a state or a Tumbu-Yumbu tribe? ...
but about letting those prisoners go - this is generally complete trash

[Normal]

Sometimes it's better to chew than talk
"The Russian PMC Wagner took first place in the Top 9 private military companies in the world. The rating was compiled by the American magazine Spec Ops, taking into account the number of fighters participating in the company, the number of contracts concluded by it and the level of weapons.

Western media note that Russian fighters who have bypassed all competitors are always "ready to intervene and fill the gap."

Judging by the rating, the second place was taken by PMC Academy (formerly Blackwater) from the USA.

According to the authors of the rating, this is one of the most advanced military training groups. But events in Iraq, in particular the conflict with the Iraqi government and the threat to important contracts, lowered the rating of PMCs, and led to a decrease in the number of fighters.

The top 3 is closed by the Peruvian PMC Defion Internacional. The company employs thousands of participants - residents of developed countries.

Next on the list are Aegis Defense Services (Germany), Triple Canopy (USA), DynCorp (USA), Erinys (UK), Unity Resources Group (Australia) and G4S Security (UK).

According to the authors of the material, PMCs are a recent phenomenon. The first hired companies appeared at the turn of the 625th and 000st centuries. At the moment, in total, the composition of PMCs has more than XNUMX fighters.

According to the publication, the Wagner Group is a Russian private military company that was formed by former special forces operators. The PMC gained publicity after participating in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass.

Since then, PMC members have operated in a dozen countries around the world, including Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Mozambique and Canada. There are reports of elite Wagner sniper teams operating in Syria hunting down ISIS* militants (terrorist organization - banned in Russia).

In 2014, it was believed that the Wagner Group included up to 100 fighters, in 2017 - about 6. The PMC is recognized as a significant military force for hire and has close ties to the Russian government.
https://www.topnews.ru/news_id_350467.html
And if we also take into account that gringos love to praise their weapons, their army and their other goodies, then this is clearly not subjective from us.

PMC "Wagner" defeated the American special forces in the plot of the new Call of Duty
In the game legend of the new computer game Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, PMC Wagner was added, according to the plot, its employees are conducting a campaign in one of the Arab states.

The video was published by the Telegram channel “Wagner Orchestra | Wagner. The footage shows how a detachment of PMC employees eliminates a US special forces group.
https://aif.ru/society/chvk_vagner_razgromila_amerikanskiy_specnaz_v_syuzhete_novoy_call_of_duty
Sometimes you can keep silent and seem like a fool in some way, or still insert your opinion and dispel all doubts.

[Lev Myshkin]

However, with all these pluses, no PMC from the TOP itself helps. Russia is falling and this is a fact. It is unlikely that civilians, more or less trained, who will soon join the ranks of the RF Armed Forces, will change something for the better. General Clausewitz said: "The first and most important principle in achieving the goals of war lies in the extreme effort for this at once with all the forces that can be disposed of."

The stupidest start and that's it - "we are in no hurry and have not started yet" - it simply does not lend itself to any criticism. This is stupidity and betrayal.

[Two diplomas]

General Clausewitz in his life did not even win a matchbox with his nonsense. Involve fewer dead "theorists". It's better to remember Napoleon: "Big battalions are always right." The hint is clear. There were no super-warriors on the Kursk Bulge at 43 either, if anything. Nevertheless, even with forty-fives, the Tigers staggered.

[Nickelium]

Well, everything is gone. Have you stocked the airship or, at worst, a hot air balloon?

[Roust]

Only with a fiery carpet can one quickly send shaitans to hell and in large quantities.

[ZIF122]

Well done guys! Good luck to you! All the same, Artemovsk will be ours!

[Thrifty]

Although the "musicians" please pah pah pah, so as not to jinx it, success! We need to create several more similar units - the Stravinsky tank division, the Bach artillery regiment, which is Johann Sebastian, the Prokofiev motorized rifle regiment - there is no way without music in the war, and if there is a whole regiment "with a musical bias", then the enemy is definitely goofy

[coinsam]

A good idea ! Original, new, beautiful!!!

[dmi.pris1]

It's not about the name. Look, in Krasnodar there is a Musical Microdistrict with the streets of these composers. But I don’t advise you to live in it. It’s about organization, training, motivation

[Ryaruav]

Dmitry, all (in tactical terms) NATO’s integrated intelligence is working for the Sumerians, and we have all these rubella, etc., something is not very good yet, I’m sure our eggheads are working on the problem, but so far we have what we have and again and again where is the connection with the department?

[dmi.pris1]

There is a technological lag in the face - communications, means of observation and detection .. The list goes on.

[Two diplomas]

Yes, there is no backlog, there is a lack of boss eggs. And it was understood on the other side that no one would go further than the chatter about the red felt-tip pen. The former leaders of the country in such situations talked about victory, but the current ones only talk about negotiations, they developed a lack of communication along the way.

[silverwolf88]

honor and praise to the fighters of PMCs, they are great fellows with excellent training and always work for the result ... BUT I would like to hear the same thing about the relatives of the RF Armed Forces ... it's time to parallel Konashenkov (no complaints, he's such an official mouthpiece) to build coverage like according to musicians ... it’s great that it lifts and motivates the spirit

[midivan]

[/ quote] it's time in parallel to Konashenkov (no complaints, the official mouthpiece he is like this) to build coverage as for musicians [quote]

Yes you! The Ministry of Defense and the government fenced off from the very beginning from all the other warring parties, there is only them and no one else. I have no idea who decided this, but from the very beginning of the "operation" I have never heard of heroes, for example, the Lugansk and Donetsk republics, they have never shown awarded volunteers or mobilized, and they generally mention Wagner on TV in passing, as if there are no Heroes or distinguished ones, it feels like they are fighting for the Martians, and not for Russia.

[Shark Lover]

I read the news somewhere, all this shobla, the whole West, I don’t remember exactly which territory, is going to create a trial against the participants of the NWO, ours. Direct participants, sympathizers, supporters. A good initiative, as are the sanctions. Maybe our leaders will finally understand that there is no turning back, only Victory, complete, without any SVO, without two steps forward, three steps back, without compromises and agreements. Tops and all sorts of hucksters in power, all to this tribunal.

[Normann]

And why don't they talk about the successes of ordinary combat units?

[Carat]

War correspondents, and even more so any bloggers, are not allowed to the front of the combat units.

[Fangaro]

Wagner, these are stormtroopers. So? They have only two options: knock out the enemy or die. So?
If so, and they are already saying here that the tanks are tired, can't these attack aircraft be helped?
Or do they not do the most terrible job, the attack, that is?

[Ulan.1812]

I hope to hear soon that Artyomovsk is ours.
Musicians honor and respect.

[Naval]

"Wagner" is more like not a classic PMC, but a French foreign legion. Somehow I have not heard about foreign PMCs attacking and storming fortified areas. But on the other hand, even Strelkov recognized the Wagnerites as the most effective units of the NWO

[Nickelium]

Because it is a Russian PMC. Everything is different here.

[Mint Gingerbread]

I still can't understand one thing. PMC, private military company. It does not belong to the state structure, respectively, PMC employees do not have an extensive list of privileges related to regular army servicemen. Why is this particular private firm so widely publicized? Usually they always try to hide the participation of PMCs in any hostilities

[Thrifty]

Mint gingerbread, probably because the men from Wagner are fighting for real, simply deciding that their houses are behind them, and there is no way back for them, you can’t retreat, there’s simply nowhere !!!

[Kronos]

For the future legalization in the legal field of private armies from the oligarchs.

[Nickelium]

The time of the oligarchs has irrevocably passed. At least the Russians. It used to be fashionable to become an oligarch. The oligarchs were the epitome of wealth and the Western way of life. But after the West lowered these oligarchs, they became a laughingstock, losers, suckers. I think now the new fashion is to have your own army.

[Two]

Judging by the descriptions there, hell is real. Good luck guys, do your hard work, survive and not be left crippled.

[air wolf]

Interestingly why not use FAB 3000 civilians are not visible on the video, at least at the strongholds.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: air wolf

I wonder why they don't use FAB 3000 sad

Pilots cost the state more than convicts. And the planes are not free.

[Incvizitor]

Why were the tanks not knocked out if there are UAVs and artillery?
There are a lot of videos on the net like they are knocked out with lancets, and there they are still fighting.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Quote: Thrifty

Mint gingerbread, probably because the men from Wagner are fighting for real, simply deciding that their houses are behind them, and there is no way back for them, you can’t retreat, there’s simply nowhere !!!

I think you're being too heroic. It's all clear that people risk their lives, but I argue without any emotions, with what exists. Any PMC employee, regardless of the company's country of origin, receives a high salary and fulfills a specific contract from the customer (country/company/individual). A PMC employee is not connected ideologically or ideologically with the customer, there is a task prescribed in the contract, terms and amount. This is how they differ from the regular army soldier, who took an oath and is directly connected with the state.
In fact, such a mercenary is not obliged to risk his life and hold something, if this is not provided for by the contract. It is not obliged to save the lives of the civilian population, if this is not provided for by the contract, etc.
Therefore, they are not loved in any country in the world and the law on prisoners of war does not apply to them. So I can’t understand how it happened and how to perceive it, this PR, given that it is illegal on the territory of the Russian Federation and is spelled out in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[agond]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

The PMC employee is not connected ideologically or ideologically with the customer, there is a task prescribed in the contract, terms and amount. This is how they differ from the soldiers of the regular army, who took an oath and are directly connected with the state.

I suspect that in our country the vast majority of "employees" of PMCs are ideologically and ideologically connected with the state, like all the other participants, but the fact that they receive money under the contract, so the officers receive money, and even teachers and doctors are not free, but for some reason no one puts a reproach to them.

[Mint Gingerbread]

All the rest are employees of the regular army and are listed as such on its support. The individual contracts directly with the army, the PMC is the firm, and the army contracts with the firm. The difference is that the PMC provides its own fighters on certain conditions, and not the conditions and regulations of the army.
And here teachers and doctors, and indeed any other civilian professions, they are not associated with the professional killing of the enemy.

[rocket757]

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hopes to recapture the settlements located around the city, taking advantage of the numerical superiority, but everything is useless.

. Numerical superiority matters, so it is necessary to reinforce the advanced orders of our troops.

[Zefr]

Tanks are tired, we are tired of them
- RIA Novosti quotes the words of a fighter.

I can see how the fighter looks through binoculars and quietly mutters: "what is it, this annoying enemy tank is there again, it has already tired me"

[valera75]

Quote from odessy

you are "an expert in all areas", I hope. Go? and from what hangover, girl? and with such "advice" - you can be recommended to "go" somewhere. It is harmful for you to think, the text corresponds to Are opinions here or a house of advice?

There is rudeness in every word, and you, sir, are crying that you were run over and squealing about moderators. If you trumpeted yours, then it is doubly strange why you were not mobilized in the first place as a member of the database in the past?

[Alexey Lantukh]

So, I didn’t understand why the Donbass defensive line should be taken head-on. At the same time, without having a big advantage.

[agond]

If within eight months you can use a multiple advantage in artillery, then it’s probably possible.

[Alexey Lantukh]

The accuracy of artillery fire, as it turns out, is often expectedly low from extreme distances and the advantage is not so multiple.

[Geodez]

It seems that they have already released Experimental - on October 13 from the news on VO.