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Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN: Russia cannot allow the passage of ships to the ports of Ukraine and back without inspection

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Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN: Russia cannot allow the passage of ships to the ports of Ukraine and back without inspection

Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya spoke at today's meeting of the Security Council, which was devoted to the so-called "grain deal" and the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the bay of Sevastopol. Recall that for the attack, the enemy used drones of both air and sea types. Moreover, the attack was carried out through the existing security corridors, provided specifically for the export of its agricultural products from the ports of southern Ukraine.


Vasily Nebenzya brought to the attention of the international community the information that in connection with the Ukrainian attack on Sevastopol, during which the mentioned humanitarian corridors were used, the Russian Federation sees no point in further work of the so-called "grain agreement". The Russian delegation to the UN Security Council also recalled that the United Nations did not contribute to the point of the deal that Russia can freely export its fertilizers to the world market. The route for fertilizers produced in the Russian Federation remained under sanctions.

According to the Russian diplomat, Russia can no longer allow the unhindered passage of ships to and from the ports of Ukraine along the Black Sea without inspection.

Vasily Nebenzya noted that the implementation of the "grain deal" while ignoring the position of Russia is impossible.

Russia’s Permanent Representative to the UN stressed that it was Ukraine’s actions in its attack on Sevastopol that put an end to the “grain deal”, which (attack) was literally broadcast in a number of Ukrainian media resources (through sea drone cameras).

Vasily Nebenzya pointed out that in the near future Russia will present detailed conclusions on the situation in the Black Sea.

In other words, Russia is making it clear that now no cargo ship will be able to enter or leave the ports of Ukraine without proper screening. At the same time, the question remains open whether there are enough resources for our fleetto carry out a total search.
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  1. Micha456
    Micha456 31 October 2022 20: 37
    +14
    I mean, they still walk... am
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 31 October 2022 20: 47
      +34
      After all, it was all known. They will beat using this corridor. No, we are being conducted, humanitarians. Who do we want to like? am
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 31 October 2022 20: 52
        +4
        And it’s not an option to look at marintraffic, there is a very interesting picture there. It seems that the ports work only for the exit. There are no people who want to enter.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 31 October 2022 20: 58
          +13
          At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources to carry out a total inspection.
          It's okay if they stand in the sea "traffic jam" like trucks.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 31 October 2022 21: 05
            +8
            I have a suspicion that 11 ships lay down on the reverse course and turned off the identification of the vessel on the AIS. They show that they are and where they are going. They return to Istanbul, but they wanted to Odessa.
            1. Abbot
              Abbot 31 October 2022 21: 40
              +15
              //The route for fertilizers produced in the Russian Federation was still under sanctions.//

              Well, some dibilism. If this was a condition of the deal, then why was it not immediately suspended? No, you have to wait until the attack happens.
            2. Fisherman
              Fisherman 31 October 2022 23: 15
              +6
              most likely you are right ... these were ships with weapons and equipment .... the Turks said that the line of these ships in the Bosphorus creates some kind of "danger for the strait" ... apparently there are a lot of ammunition there ... so these are back to the Turks it is dangerous to let ships through - there may be a provocation "from the United States" ... ours, and so during the "corridor" detained more than 70 ships with smuggling in hiding places among the grain.
            3. Sailor
              Sailor 1 November 2022 06: 10
              +1
              Judging by the draft 13.6 m - laden (11 brave ones go
              [center][thumb]https://topw
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 1 November 2022 08: 14
                -1
                These ships have been going out for several hours, but there are 11 ships in front of them. A cheerful wake column. These ships have names on your screen, and those that are encrypted in front of them.
          2. Popov I.P.
            Popov I.P. 31 October 2022 22: 47
            +14
            In general, inspection at sea is the competence of border guards, the Navy can do this in special cases (such as combating piracy, etc.). But in the Crimea in Balaklava there is a detachment of the PSKR, in Sevastopol - a naval detachment of the Russian Guard (not to be confused with the Kerch brigade for protecting the bridge). Another thing, what if they go for a provocation and do not follow the command to stop the ships? What to shoot at them, they will howl about the attack and demand the protection of the NATO Navy (Ukraine, in fact, no longer has a Navy). In general, it can be simpler: declare this corridor a dangerous military zone or even easier a training artillery firing area and close it for a long time, changing firing ships and firing a blank every 3 hours. And even simpler: guaranteed to de-energize all of Odessa; no grain terminal and no port cranes work without electricity.
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 31 October 2022 23: 27
              0
              This is war, dear Ivan Pavlovich. There are no rules here.
            2. Andriuha077
              Andriuha077 1 November 2022 00: 20
              +2
              declare this corridor a dangerous military zone
              Something like this: "there can be no question of guaranteeing the security of any object in the indicated direction" https://t.me/mod_russia/21355
            3. Stepan S
              Stepan S 2 November 2022 08: 39
              0
              And even simpler: guaranteed to de-energize all of Odessa; no grain terminal and no port cranes work without electricity.

              Here I am about the same. De-energize and manually let them do the loading. It seems that there are substations that feed the port. Send shahids to help them.
          3. 41 REGION
            41 REGION 1 November 2022 04: 52
            +2
            Quote: Terenin
            It's okay if they stand in the sea "traffic jam" like trucks

            That's right, in line are the children of the female dog. They can stay at anchor for a month
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 1 November 2022 13: 48
          0
          And what does the traffic have to do with it? This is today. And before that? When they made a stupid decision on the grain deal. Already lay down a big hill on this maritime traffic when the attack was committed. Did you understand my comment above?
        3. Micha456
          Micha456 1 November 2022 15: 02
          0
          the question is not what they export from Ukraine, the question is what they import there, even if they were not even inspected.
      2. opuonmed
        opuonmed 31 October 2022 21: 36
        +4
        well, as in the elites, there is a greenhouse of hope, and suddenly we agree, and they throw false hope at them, and those in the EU and the USA kick them in the face for some time, and we live like this! Well, it's all my imagination!
        1. GRIGORIY76
          GRIGORIY76 1 November 2022 07: 37
          +1
          well, as in the elites, there is a greenhouse of hope, but suddenly we will agree, and they are throwing false hope at them.

          Well, yes, since the time of the colonial world, the Anglo-Saxons have had a lot of experience in “pushing through” various kinds of dictators from all sorts of bantustans.
      3. Yapet100
        Yapet100 31 October 2022 21: 45
        +2
        And Abramovich, and Deripaska, and Rotenberg and many other oligarchs who run our country.
        1. topol717
          topol717 31 October 2022 22: 38
          -1
          Yeah, that's why under the sanctions of the West, and Chelsea, worth 2 kopecks of yards, was donated to charity just because it controls Russia.
      4. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 31 October 2022 23: 21
        +12
        Quote: dmi.pris
        After all, it was all known. They will beat using this corridor. No, we are being conducted, humanitarians. Who do we want to like? am

        Yes, the country is run by traders, blackmailers from the 90s ... And Russian soldiers pay with their blood for their trading ...
      5. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 1 November 2022 04: 40
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Roma Abramovich

        And also Deripasko, Friedman, Voevodin, Kasaev and so on and so forth ....
      6. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 1 November 2022 10: 37
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        After all, it was all known. They will beat using this corridor. No, we are being conducted, humanitarians. Who do we want to like? am

        I'm wondering why they didn't do this before? But something was said in this regard.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 22: 28
      +3
      Quote: Micha456
      I mean, they still walk... am

      Ministry of Defense: The movement of ships within the framework of the “grain deal” is unacceptable. “We emphasize that the Russian Federation, as the main participant in these agreements, does not withdraw from them, but suspends them. Concerning the movement of ships along the security corridor is unacceptable, since the Ukrainian leadership and the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use it to conduct military operations against the Russian Federation, ”the Ministry of Defense reports.
    3. newtc7
      newtc7 31 October 2022 23: 43
      +1
      Quote: Micha456
      I mean, they still walk... am


      I think no. Inspection is such a feature as a veiled refusal. Like we're going to check it out. How much time will it be? Oh, we don't know how the bones will lay down. The rest wait in line for months. The shipowners will immediately refuse such a procedure and the transaction is in fact cancelled.
      Just for some reason, our government loves some kind of veiled signals, instead of saying "no, that's all, try to sail, we will sink you." And sink one so that everything is clear to everyone.
      But with us, somehow, through the back gate, everyone is trying to sort of yes and no and not quite so no, but not necessarily yes either.
      Western partners seem to have learned how to present themselves this way.
    4. AAK
      AAK 31 October 2022 23: 59
      +8
      The obligatory inspection of all ships was provided for by the above agreement, so what was written is some kind of nonsense. We are exiting the deal, so we will inspect everyone ... but what, they didn’t inspect at all before, or didn’t they inspect everyone? And how, interestingly, the small forces of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will stop the grain traffic? Prevent ships from entering the port of Odessa? Grain carriers to sink or ram? Don't make fun of my moccasins! I just listened to the press conference of the Great in Sochi after the Armenian-Azerbaijani conversation ... as a result - complete indistinctness, again insults about not inviting the Russian Federation to the Prague meeting on this issue ... and Leopold's answers of the Greatest on the grain deal and the failure to negotiate with dill - this is generally trash and a complete disgrace ... some kind of bleating ... several experts at Solovyov's evenings said the absolute truth - the "empire" itself does not know what it wants and can't really do anything, so former vassals from the republics of the USSR begin to look for themselves new masters, and the same China with India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Argentina and other undecided countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America - in complete confusion what they should expect from Russia and what to count on if Russia is powerless and weak-willed .. .
  2. Ugens
    Ugens 31 October 2022 20: 38
    +5
    Today, 12 vessels with grain left the Ukrainian ports.
    1. Pulkovo1942
      Pulkovo1942 31 October 2022 20: 41
      +15
      Today, 12 vessels with grain left the Ukrainian ports.

      Let everyone come out. The main thing is that no ships return to Ukrainian ports.
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 31 October 2022 20: 47
      0
      Until a decision is made, let them go. And they can come in.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Svetlana
        Until a decision is made, let them go. And they can come in.

        Much to our regret. Again half-hearted solutions.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 31 October 2022 21: 25
          +1
          Has already been taken. See above.
          But in the morning he was not there and therefore the courts had the right to leave. What's with the half-hearted solutions?
          1. single-n
            single-n 1 November 2022 13: 22
            -1
            Where is the solution. There is a continuous stream of consciousness in the style of "and we are against it", "how could it be without us" "we will soon perhaps analyze something there"
            There is no clear decision of the Russian Federation. There is no indication of what methods she is going to defend her position.
            Another mumbling.
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 1 November 2022 07: 51
          +2
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Again half-hearted solutions.

          Half-milord, half-merchant
          Half-wise, half-ignorant
          Half-scoundrel, but there is hope
          What will be complete at last.
          A. S. Pushkin! This is about Vorontsov, if anything ....
    3. Corrosion inhibitor
      Corrosion inhibitor 31 October 2022 20: 57
      +4
      They need to plant weevils in their wheat for the West. Then let them sit with empty buckets on both sides of the sea and arrange a "meeting of state farms" at their place - what, when and how much the weevil ate. And we will look at it from the side, on TV. ... At the same time, we will remember Gennady Khazanov once again.
    4. AAK
      AAK 1 November 2022 00: 26
      +8
      Yes, the Turks, dill and the UN, having taken Russia out of the brackets, showed a true attitude towards Russia and personally to the Greatest, they don’t put him or the country in a penny, they spat on all the "red lines" and miserable bleating about "regret about the impossibility of negotiations" ... they spit on suckers and they are always "thrown" ...
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 October 2022 20: 38
    +14
    Sink tugboats in the ports of Ukraine, a subtle hint of thick circumstances! And there will be happiness for the UN, Ukraine, Turkey and the EU. You just need to start. Minus two today in Ochakovo.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 31 October 2022 21: 08
      +2
      Yes, and a dry cargo ship can inadvertently blow up on a severed Ukrainian mine
  4. Tagan
    Tagan 31 October 2022 20: 43
    0
    Quote: Micha456
    I mean, they still walk... am

    And when was it said that they would not go?
  5. ASM
    ASM 31 October 2022 20: 43
    0
    Everything is correct - the landing party is landing and carefully studying everything, and the Navy at this time is checking what is under the bottom. If there are any questions, the ship is taken closer to the Crimea and they make enhanced control. The Navy, at the same time, responsibly controls the waters.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 31 October 2022 21: 13
      0
      Offer very costly procedures. And what will we have from this, except for hemorrhoids ?!
      1. ASM
        ASM 31 October 2022 21: 22
        +1
        What nonsense? This is normal combat training. Or do you suggest using simulators instead of real procedures?
        1. Abbot
          Abbot 31 October 2022 21: 55
          0
          Inspection is needed when there are no other options. Let's say the same Somali pirates, shipping cannot be stopped, so they collected convoys under the cover of warships, PMCs on board, etc. In this case - you can stupidly block. As it was. There is a land border - carry donkeys.
  6. Semak
    Semak 31 October 2022 20: 44
    +2
    At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources to carry out a total inspection.

    Then: "In line, you sons of bitches! In line!" .
  7. Svetlana
    Svetlana 31 October 2022 20: 46
    +6
    At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources to carry out a total inspection.
    ...
    The speed of inspection, for Russia, does not matter. The inspection will be carried out as slowly as possible. Yes, there will be a groaning queue, but this, as mentioned above, does not matter. And there will be enough forces and means for the blockade.
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 31 October 2022 21: 16
      +5
      Caravans leave ports every day. Where to get so many guards and screening teams? If there is only one turnstile in the subway during rush hour, what will the crowd do? Will you queue up? The Russian Navy can only command in its territorial waters, and the Harpoons have not gone anywhere.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 31 October 2022 21: 21
        0
        They won't come out anymore. A blockade, or whatever, has been declared on these ships.

        Statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

        ◽️ Until the situation around the committed by Ukraine on October 29 of this year is clarified. terrorist action against warships and civilian vessels in the city of Sevastopol, traffic along the security corridor defined by the Black Sea Initiative has been suspended.
        1. Thorvlobnor IV
          Thorvlobnor IV 31 October 2022 22: 07
          0
          NAVTEX Ship Alert issued?
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 31 October 2022 22: 26
            -3
            For the military, it doesn't matter. The order is important to them, and the order has probably already been given.
            1. Thorvlobnor IV
              Thorvlobnor IV 31 October 2022 22: 54
              +1
              What order? Do you think it is possible to give an order to land an inspection team on a foreign ship in international waters at will?
              1. Svetlana
                Svetlana 31 October 2022 23: 00
                -2
                Of course. And there are a million applicants for this.
                1. Thorvlobnor IV
                  Thorvlobnor IV 31 October 2022 23: 31
                  +1
                  I dare to upset you, but the ship of the PU of the FSB of the Russian Federation can land the inspection team only in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. No other screening teams are provided for by international maritime law in neutral waters, unless any counter-terrorist or other operation sanctioned by an international agreement is being carried out.
                  The Russian Federation withdrew from the grain agreement voluntarily, it gave it the right to inspect ships in the Bosphorus. So what's the point of buzzing now, if you yourself came out?
                  1. K9_SWAT
                    K9_SWAT 1 November 2022 00: 22
                    -3
                    Well are you real? What international law? What are the territorial waters? The war is coming! Fighting!!! Do you want to enter a warring country through another state? Turn out your pockets!
                    1. single-n
                      single-n 1 November 2022 13: 27
                      0
                      Excuse me, but who is fighting with whom? And something missed the declaration of war. The Russian Federation is chasing some terrorists. APU is fighting with someone. And where does the peaceful dry cargo ship from Liberia have to do with it from a legal point of view? But the landing of an inspection team in extraterritorial waters is practically a seizure / piracy on international lines. Tomorrow, ALL ships following in the Russian Federation will be wrapped in the same way. How can we answer? Another concern with line drawing?
              2. tolmachiev51
                tolmachiev51 1 November 2022 03: 45
                0
                you can - suspicion of transporting prohibited weapons! and I don’t like the captain’s face ...
  8. DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 31 October 2022 20: 47
    -4
    At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources to carry out a total inspection.

    Well, Geraniums should be enough to meet dry cargo ships "with flowers".
  9. sagitovich
    sagitovich 31 October 2022 20: 49
    +3
    "Russia cannot allow unhindered passage" So they will pass unhindered without permission.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 22: 33
      +1
      “We emphasize that the Russian Federation, as the main participant in these agreements, does not withdraw from them, but suspends them. In this regard, the movement of ships along the safety corridor is unacceptable, since the Ukrainian leadership and the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use it to conduct military operations against the Russian Federation, ”the Ministry of Defense reports. As for - "unimpeded passage" There will be no passage. Neither pleasant nor unhindered tongue
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 31 October 2022 20: 50
    +1
    Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN: Russia cannot allow the passage of ships to the ports of Ukraine and back without inspection
    . This is the question of who is the boss in the house ???
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 31 October 2022 20: 51
    -1
    Quote from ugens
    Today, 12 vessels with grain left the Ukrainian ports.

    The MoD reported that traffic was completely suspended.
    1. solar
      solar 31 October 2022 22: 28
      +1
      Judging by marintraffic, the movement is on
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  13. yuriy55
    yuriy55 31 October 2022 20: 56
    -1
    At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources to carry out a total inspection.

    Russia should not have such a question. What opportunities are available - those we will use. But Russia has ample opportunity to prevent a trial against Ukraine...
    And who is so smart that allows you to organize transportation by sea for a potential enemy? Or who has the hope of preserving and reviving the Ukrainian state of the Nazi persuasion?
    You can re-educate people. Nothing else is given.
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 31 October 2022 20: 59
    +3
    The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the suspension of the movement of ships along the security corridor defined by the "Black Sea Initiative" until the situation around the attack on ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol is clarified.
    The document emphasizes that the movement of ships along the humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea is unacceptable, since Kyiv uses it to conduct military operations against Russia.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 31 October 2022 21: 20
      +8
      And someone obeys our Department of Defense?
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 21: 28
        +3
        Quote: Elephant
        And someone obeys our Ministry of Defense?

        Good question. Is there an answer here.
  15. faterdom
    faterdom 31 October 2022 21: 04
    +2
    Inspection is not painful. And it's not even embarrassing.
    But maybe for a long time. Because there must be order.
  16. iouris
    iouris 31 October 2022 21: 04
    +1
    So far, the scheme "There - back: you and I are pleased" has been implemented. I mean: weapons and ammunition are shipped by sea directly through the Bosporus.
    Which are the poorest countries?
  17. Million
    Million 31 October 2022 21: 09
    +4
    Vasily always has such a face that no one even listens to him. Like a boiled dumpling.
    Such a person cannot represent a superpower.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 21: 29
      +4
      Quote: Million
      Vasily always has such a face that no one even listens to him. Like a boiled dumpling.
      Such a person cannot represent a superpower.

      Yeah ... not Churkin. With that, they were considered and listened to.
      1. Million
        Million 31 October 2022 21: 51
        +1
        Yes, it’s a pity for Churkin. It was evident how he was worried about the events taking place at that moment.
  18. Bingo
    Bingo 31 October 2022 21: 13
    -3
    MOSCOW, October 31 - RIA Novosti. Traffic along the security corridor in the Black Sea has been suspended until the situation with the terrorist attack in Sevastopol is clarified, the Defense Ministry said.

    I do not understand. Purely technically, to do this - like two fingers on the asphalt - a helicopter with an inspection team - and into the port, under arrest. But whether they will do it is not clear from the statement
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 31 October 2022 21: 20
      -1
      And God himself ordered to throw rusty cartridges into the grain during the inspection. lol There are few cartridges, we can shell.
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 31 October 2022 21: 25
        -3
        What about the meaning? Purely legally, we can confiscate the ship anyway - the passage has not been agreed
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 31 October 2022 21: 38
          +2
          This is what they did with the ships that violated the terms of the grain deal, they tried to import contraband. There are 70 of them, they are under arrest or simply released. Why the UN does not give the text of the "grain deal". Many points are written there. Now it is clear why Shoigu signed the deal.
  19. IT Analyst
    IT Analyst 31 October 2022 21: 16
    0
    Why waste resources? Allocate 20 people for inspection. It is obligatory to put on the roadstead in a safe place under fire all ships leaving / entering from / to the ports of Ukraine. And calmly watch. Week will stand on the raid, then a week. You need a month - they will stand for a month. Will be smarter
  20. samarin1969
    samarin1969 31 October 2022 21: 17
    +3
    The words of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet would be more convincing. Mr. Nebendzia spoke too vaguely about "means of securing" Russia's position.

    ps And "uncontrolled" Ukrainian mines somehow "self-destructed". It would be more logical to announce the "mine danger" before the "solution of the Ukrainian issue" and close the topic on this.
  21. Elephant
    Elephant 31 October 2022 21: 17
    0
    The security corridor must be closed, immediately and without any discussion with other entities!
  22. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 31 October 2022 21: 19
    0
    Well, now the circus will begin ... Bulk tugboats and PSKR on huge bulk carriers, and no matter what, none of the Ukrainian crews are injured. For they will not shoot at them and drown them. And then the West will scold.
    1. cold wind
      cold wind 31 October 2022 21: 25
      +3
      Worse. Everyone forgets that the agreements were signed between the Russian Federation-UN-Turkey, Ukraine-UN-Turkey.
      We have suspended our agreement, the Ukraine-UN-Turkey agreement continues to operate. Our actions against ships sailing under this treaty will be against Turkey and the UN. The response steps are more than predictable.
      There is an opinion that the attack on Sevastopol was a provocation precisely to stop our part of the agreement. To create a zugzwang situation.
      1. solar
        solar 31 October 2022 22: 31
        -1
        Turkey, Ukraine and the UN agreed on a plan to move 14 vessels on October 31 as part of the "Black Sea Grain Initiative", the Joint Coordination Center (JCC) said. It is noted that the coordination took place without the participation of Russia. The UN delegation informed the Russian side about the movements in accordance with the established procedures of the SKC, RIA Novosti reports.

        The delegations of Ukraine, Turkey and the UN agreed on a plan for the movement of 31 ships along the maritime humanitarian corridor for tomorrow, October 14 - 12 coming from Ukraine and two arriving, the publication says.

        https://news.ru/world/dvizhenie-14-sudov-v-chernom-more-soglasovali-bez-uchastiya-rossii/
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 21: 31
      +3
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      Well, now the circus will begin ... Bulk tugboats and PSKR on huge bulk carriers, and no matter what, none of the Ukrainian crews are injured. For they will not shoot at them and drown them. And then the West will scold.

      The crews there are mainly from third countries, as are the ships.
  23. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 31 October 2022 21: 24
    -4
    At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources to carry out a total inspection.

    DRAIN
  24. Tagan
    Tagan 31 October 2022 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: Elephant
    And someone obeys our Ministry of Defense?

    What will be the expression of disobedience?
    1. Spaceman111
      Spaceman111 31 October 2022 22: 20
      +1
      In the announcement of all ships going to Odessa - as a priori carrying weapons, and therefore participants in the conflict, and if they do not obey the rules of inspection, then - a command to the boats, a dry cargo ship to the bottom, the country's ambassador under what flag went to the carpet.
  25. Ghost1
    Ghost1 31 October 2022 21: 43
    +2
    They got involved in some kind of game with this deal, it was necessary not to sign anything, let them buy grain from us if they need it, the same goes for African countries.
    1. Andrey_Ivanovich
      Andrey_Ivanovich 31 October 2022 22: 40
      +1
      "Plywood" signed, they said on TV that this is a diplomatic victory for Russia, like that!
  26. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 21: 54
    -1
    First, I agree with those who say that Nebenzya can be a pro, but as a representative of Russia in the UN, no. Mumbler.
    Apparently the second Churkin was not found in the Foreign Ministry.
    The second is whether the Kremlin will decide to carry out the declared measures, or again everything will end with empty threats.
    Third, a few reflections on the situation.
    It is unlikely that there is so much grain in Odessa. The bulk of the volume was probably taken out even earlier.
    Therefore, apparently, they started a provocation, because they knew what the reaction of Russia would be, but there is still nothing more to export.
    But you can blame everything on Russia, they say she did not allow to take out.
    A wave has already risen under this case, (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania) that in order to protect ships with grain, it is necessary to lead the NATO fleet to the Black Sea.
    Maybe that's what it was all about. And then the weapon will go by sea openly.
    In the West, they are confident that Russia will not risk attacking the NATO fleet in international waters.
    Fourth - Another point that raises a question.
    Throughout the landing operation to capture Odessa was still planned.
    Otherwise, why was it necessary to take the Serpentine and fit the BDK.
    But when this threat manifested itself, the topic of grain immediately surfaced.
    It is clear that in such a situation, the capture of Odessa was out of the question.
    Although this is just a guess, but why not.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 21: 59
      -1
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      First, I agree with those who say that Nebenzya can be a pro, but as a representative of Russia in the UN, no. Mumbler.
      Apparently the second Churkin was not found in the Foreign Ministry.
      The second is whether the Kremlin will decide to carry out the declared measures, or again everything will end with empty threats.
      Third, a few reflections on the situation.
      It is unlikely that there is so much grain in Odessa. The bulk of the volume was probably taken out even earlier.
      Therefore, apparently, they started a provocation, because they knew what the reaction of Russia would be, but there is still nothing more to export.
      But you can blame everything on Russia, they say she did not allow to take out.
      A wave has already risen under this case, (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania) that in order to protect ships with grain, it is necessary to lead the NATO fleet to the Black Sea.
      Maybe that's what it was all about. And then the weapon will go by sea openly.
      In the West, they are confident that Russia will not risk attacking the NATO fleet in international waters.
      Fourth - Another point that raises a question.
      Throughout the landing operation to capture Odessa was still planned.
      Otherwise, why was it necessary to take the Serpentine and fit the BDK.
      But when this threat manifested itself, the topic of grain immediately surfaced.
      It is clear that in such a situation, the capture of Odessa was out of the question.
      Although this is just a guess, but why not.

      I forgot and now the conclusion-Odessa must be taken. Enough of these games, there's nothing holding us back now. The only question is whether there is will and strength for this.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 31 October 2022 22: 40
      0
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Throughout the landing operation to capture Odessa was still planned.
      Otherwise, why was it necessary to take the Serpentine and fit the BDK.
      But when this threat manifested itself, the topic of grain immediately surfaced.
      It is clear that in such a situation, the capture of Odessa was out of the question.
      Although this is just a guess, but why not.

      It’s a completely working version .. And quite sophisticated in the spirit of the patrons of the Svidozhido-Banderites, reptilians of the Rothschilds, Soros, Rockefellers ... And their own grain (and not Ukrov’s), they will also take Russia to dоcrabs will be left. As usual ... beckon with money, and bang! On the nose ... They will beckon with money and again clap on the stupid and greedy head!
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 31 October 2022 23: 16
        +2
        Quote: 30 vis
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Throughout the landing operation to capture Odessa was still planned.
        Otherwise, why was it necessary to take the Serpentine and fit the BDK.
        But when this threat manifested itself, the topic of grain immediately surfaced.
        It is clear that in such a situation, the capture of Odessa was out of the question.
        Although this is just a guess, but why not.

        It’s a completely working version .. And quite sophisticated in the spirit of the patrons of the Svidozhido-Banderites, reptilians of the Rothschilds, Soros, Rockefellers ... And their own grain (and not Ukrov’s), they will also take Russia to dоcrabs will be left. As usual ... beckon with money, and bang! On the nose ... They will beckon with money and again clap on the stupid and greedy head!

        And someone did not like the version, as well as the desire to take Odessa. Rather, it is clear to whom.
  27. Ilya Kuznetsov
    Ilya Kuznetsov 31 October 2022 22: 14
    +1
    What deals? Tomorrow or in a week, Kyiv will sink a dry cargo ship with grain, or without (or even more than one), and again blame Russia, they say it sank ... The area of ​​hostilities ... Civil ships and civil aviation do not belong there. The West needs grain, let it put pressure on Kyiv so that Moscow’s ultimatum is fulfilled (denazification, disarmament, demilitarization, etc.) ...
    1. Andrey_Ivanovich
      Andrey_Ivanovich 31 October 2022 22: 24
      +3
      they will not drown anything, because there is no need, they have already won, they have thrown Russia through the phallus.
  28. Revolver
    Revolver 31 October 2022 22: 15
    +2
    Yes, it’s time to declare publicly that until all sanctions on freight and passenger transportation to and from Russia are lifted, 404 will not take out a single grain by sea, and will not import a single nail. And declare the entire territory of 404 a no-fly zone.
  29. Izotovp
    Izotovp 31 October 2022 22: 19
    +7
    Hmm… how many opportunities for a variety of provocations we give them with every step we take!
  30. Andrey_Ivanovich
    Andrey_Ivanovich 31 October 2022 22: 21
    +4
    again Anna rag on the face of the Russian Federation? why make statements that you are unable to fulfill, or rather, there is no will-power to fulfill, this is like strikes on "decision-making centers", the architectural monument "house with chimeras" is intact, and Russia and its leadership, slowly but surely (or maybe and not slowly) turn into political clowns, to the delight of enemies.
    1. Andrey_Ivanovich
      Andrey_Ivanovich 31 October 2022 22: 48
      +3
      about six guards jumped out, slime minusers, nothing, soon you'll change your shoes to the "new course of the party" uryakalki will not be held in high esteem! keep in mind, and then they will introduce you! belay
  31. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 31 October 2022 22: 37
    +1
    To be honest, stop breaking spears, tomorrow there will be food. Now from all sides there is only shaking of the air.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 31 October 2022 23: 16
      -1
      Everyone says so, for me tomorrow will be when my country wins this war. And it depends on you and us what our country will do in the near future. You see, what's the matter, to a certain extent, the country's leadership may oppose the situation, but there comes a moment when it is simply impossible to do so. I think that moment has come.
  32. Boniface
    Boniface 31 October 2022 22: 47
    +1
    Who will inspect the court?
    to introduce control of navigation - coast guard boats must be sent there - and this is understandable - the final end for Our boats :(
    Alas, the fate of the cruiser "Moscow" will be a lesson am
  33. wlkw
    wlkw 31 October 2022 23: 06
    +4
    I tend to think that you need to de-energize the port and that's it. Of course, it is worth paying attention to the port infrastructure. With a strong desire, a week is enough for unhurried, systematic work.
  34. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 31 October 2022 23: 09
    -2
    Russia, my country, must sink these ships
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 31 October 2022 23: 21
      -1
      Do we have ships flying the Russian flag anywhere in the oceans? Why immediately sink ships going to Ukraine for grain. You don’t see other ways to prevent this.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 31 October 2022 23: 32
        -1
        The fact is that until we start fighting seriously, including destroying ships, no one will take us seriously, of course, I am not the president, but I would do it. They will take it as a weakness.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 31 October 2022 23: 38
          +1
          Should we attach a warship to every ship with the Russian flag, if we start sinking any bulk carrier going to Ukraine? Above, the commentators give an answer to this question, what should be done.
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 31 October 2022 23: 45
            -3
            In my opinion, we are complete masters in the Black Sea and can do whatever we want, except for Turkey. If so, even warships are not required, coastal ones are quite enough. Sorry, I didn't read the above, but I'll read it now.
            1. Osipov9391
              Osipov9391 1 November 2022 02: 31
              0
              An attack on even one ship with grain (or maybe even a provocation on the part of Ukraine) will immediately give Turkey the right to open the straits and enter NATO ships into the Black Sea to accompany the export of grain.
              The same ships from the AUG "George Bush" that are now in the Eastern Mediterranean.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 1 November 2022 05: 41
                -2
                So what? Well, they will enter this mousetrap... What's next? Will they attack Russia? I do not think so, for all the idiocy of Western politicians in the Pentagon, I have not seen crazy people.
  35. Two diplomas
    Two diplomas 31 October 2022 23: 10
    +2
    Do not tell me how to transfer a set of colored felt-tip pens to the Kremlin (without red, we'll leave it for ourselves). The younger tribes really want to help the uncles with their political libido.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 1 November 2022 05: 46
      +1
      How do your respected nephews want to help uncles with lust (even political)? Maybe you chose the wrong words?
      1. Two diplomas
        Two diplomas 1 November 2022 11: 19
        0
        The word is chosen correctly. This is lust in women, and in men, sexual desire, and, as a rule, reduced. So our uncles, and we have them from the category "for those who are over 60", already completely lack all types of attractions. Of all the pleasures, all that remains is to "lay a pipe" no matter to whom, no matter with what consequences, the manic attraction of the pipe.
  36. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 31 October 2022 23: 19
    0
    The Russian Federation cannot allow the passage of ships to the ports of Ukraine and back without inspection

    That is? Doesn't the exit from the transaction mean a complete closure of the corridor?
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 31 October 2022 23: 40
      +4
      Follow the chronology: the corridor did not work because it was unsafe to walk in the territorial waters of Ukraine and enter its ports. With the departure of the Russian Navy from Zmeinoye, the sinking of the Moskva cruiser and the acquisition of coastal anti-ship systems by the Navy, as well as clearing the fairway, the security of the transport corridor was restored. Now the Russian Federation has withdrawn from the grain deal, but in order for the traffic of ships to be stopped, it must be physically prevented, that is, violate the safety of navigation - mine, block, fire, etc. And this is fraught with further disassembly, tk. maritime law is a very old and serious thing.
  37. iouris
    iouris 31 October 2022 23: 29
    +8
    It seems that all these gestures are a dirty political game. Russia depends on consumers and transit countries for raw materials. Consumers - EU, transit countries Ukraine and Turkey. Turkey grows on the bones of the USSR, and Russia rots. It is exploited with the help of the oligarchs. So far, the picture is bleak.
  38. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 November 2022 00: 48
    +1
    And let's conditionally assume that Turkey and Ukraine are not against such inspections - they say, inspect.
    But this means that our ships will have to approach the coast from which they will surely
    there will be "Harpoons" or aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with HARM missiles.
    Will the command of the Black Sea Fleet take such risks with so few ships?
    Will it be worth it if we lose a couple more ships or even one?
    I think no.
  39. Rostislav
    Rostislav 1 November 2022 00: 58
    -3
    What does "not enough resources" mean? Russia itself will determine how many ships need to be inspected, i.e. pass through.
    Proydkt not those who want, but only those who "could" watch. The rest are in line. As the saying goes, "Stretch your legs according to your clothes"
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 1 November 2022 10: 46
      0
      Vessels on the way from Odessa to the Bosphorus and back will have to make a long detour to get into the inspection area, which can not be located closer than 150 km from the coastline of Ukraine (the range of the Harpoon anti-ship missiles) winked
  40. for
    for 1 November 2022 01: 02
    +1
    According to the Russian leader, about 34 percent of the grain goes to Turkey, 35 percent - to the EU countries.

    “And only three or four percent, well, according to the Ministry of Agriculture, maybe sometimes it was a little more, up to five percent, this figure fluctuates, because more is exported, back and forth (...) in favor of the poorest countries,” Putin emphasized.

    And who is 25%. Now 146, then 75!
  41. stankow
    stankow 1 November 2022 01: 04
    -2
    Why total, selective control is also effective!
  42. tone
    tone 1 November 2022 01: 36
    +1
    And the Turks have already allowed inspection, and the Kremlinbots?
  43. FoBoss_VM
    FoBoss_VM 1 November 2022 02: 42
    -2
    So they are not only walking now, but also without inspection. I already absolutely do not understand anything in our rotten politics
  44. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 November 2022 03: 49
    0
    For starters, it would not hurt the Jewish lad Roma to slap on the "priest". Seriously - what a NWO, not to people, such is the attitude towards our position. Life respects strength, not the buffoonery of diplomats.
  45. agel26r
    agel26r 1 November 2022 04: 46
    0
    So what happens, they entered there without inspection and could pull anything and as much as they wanted ???
  46. CYM
    CYM 1 November 2022 11: 16
    0
    At the same time, the question remains open whether our fleet has enough resources
    IMHO The question remains whether our Black Sea Fleet is generally a military force capable of influencing anything in the region of its base. Moreover, the problem is clearly not in resources, but in the indecision of the command and the inadequacy of using the capabilities of the fleet. In the presence of political will, only 6 Varshavyankas available to the Black Sea Fleet are more than enough for a complete blockade of the ports of Ukraine. sad
  47. Robert Suvorov
    Robert Suvorov 1 November 2022 12: 58
    0
    I don't understand something. Either complete dupes decide the issue in order to please someone, or there is a personal agreement from top management. At whose expense are these checks? For ours, I think. And for what? They take out the goods of the enemy, for which he receives weapons against us. Nobody takes our grain, although there was a contract. Why all this stupidity? Can we return everything to the Ukrainians, build them everything that is destroyed and give the country under external control? What kind of mess is going on in my country after all?
  48. Two
    Two 1 November 2022 13: 03
    0
    hi Oh hardly! Ouch! This action smells like bullshit...
  49. mongolian9999
    mongolian9999 1 November 2022 17: 36
    0
    What's the big difference between "can't allow" and "will not allow..."
  50. Alexander Rasmukhambetov
    Alexander Rasmukhambetov 1 November 2022 18: 44
    +1
    To smash the port of Odessa into the trash and the issue will close by itself, no, they will procrastinate.