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Retired NATO officer spoke about a "logistical nightmare" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the presence of artillery of various calibers

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Retired NATO officer spoke about a "logistical nightmare" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the presence of artillery of various calibers

The presence of several types of artillery systems at once in service with the Ukrainian army creates problems for the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Kyiv is faced with a "logistic nightmare." Retired NATO officer Stavros Atlamazoglou wrote about this in an article for 19Fortyfive.


The variety of artillery systems that came into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine from various countries, which the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov was so happy about, actually creates a huge bunch of problems, primarily related to supply. Today, the Ukrainian army uses artillery of both Soviet and NATO calibers, and the guns come to Ukraine from different countries, which also creates certain difficulties with the use of ammunition.

According to Atlamazoglou, the Armed Forces of Ukraine now have two problems related to ammunition: firstly, the Ukrainian army consumes shells too quickly, firing up to 6 rounds a day. To date, Ukraine's own arsenals are practically empty and Kyiv is helped out only by the supply of ammunition by Western countries. Secondly, the use of different artillery systems creates problems with logistical support when the shells from one gun do not fit the other. Cases when shells of the wrong calibers were brought to artillery positions happen quite often in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The difference in caliber means Ukrainians can't use the same shells in units, creating a logistical nightmare

writes a retired NATO officer.

It is worth noting that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are armed with 8 or 9 artillery systems of only NATO calibers, not counting those left over from the Soviet army. Recently, the use of Soviet-style artillery by the Armed Forces of Ukraine is less and less mentioned in reports, apparently there are still problems with shells. With NATO calibers, the West helps, sending ammunition in almost every military aid package.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 31 October 2022 07: 10
    +1
    A retired NATO officer reported "logistics nightmare" in the Armed Forces due to the presence of artillery of various calibers
    belay Yes. But they decide ...., albeit with the help of US computers. request
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 07: 13
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Yes. But they decide ...., albeit with the help of US computers.

      That's it, so-so "nightmare". A real nightmare in logistics is the disruption of communications and the destruction of transport. Which, to put it mildly, is not striking now.
      1. Mwg
        Mwg 31 October 2022 07: 17
        +7
        Well, to be honest and understand the meaning of the words literally, then the disruption of communications and the destruction of transport is not a nightmare of logistics, but its destruction as such.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 31 October 2022 07: 21
          -3
          Quote: MVG
          Well, to be honest and understand the meaning of the words literally, then the disruption of communications and the destruction of transport is not a nightmare of logistics, but its destruction as such.

          This is not called "being honest" but to find fault with words, even without formal grounds.
          Because the disruption of communications is not the destruction of logistics, but the destruction of ALL transport is impossible.
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 31 October 2022 07: 32
            +2
            "This is not called" being honest "but to find fault, and even without formal grounds, to words." - sorry very much
    2. svp67
      svp67 31 October 2022 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      But they decide ...., albeit with the help of US computers.

      Yes, but sometimes the decisions are not correct and shells were brought to their firing positions, but not those ones ...
  2. Mwg
    Mwg 31 October 2022 07: 14
    -1
    "A retired NATO officer reported a "logistic nightmare" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the presence of artillery of various calibers" - hang yourself!
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 31 October 2022 07: 38
      +2
      Something is not visible that this "nightmare" prevents them from shooting. Soviet calibers are coming to an end, and NATO ones are unified
      1. Boycott
        Boycott 31 October 2022 09: 00
        +1
        NATO unified
        for clarity: unified not absolutely. And not all 155-millimeter ones can be shoved into the breech of the corresponding caliber. The damage to the guns because of this has already been written.
  3. Two
    Two 31 October 2022 07: 16
    -1
    hi Let them "get used to the earth," as V. Klitschko said.
    1. Patriot5000
      Patriot5000 31 October 2022 10: 15
      0
      this is from a joke (moreover, the beginning of the 90s), and not Klitschko. Of course, he is a "master", but they already attribute everything in a row.
      -Doctor, how can I cure AIDS?
      -Take a mud bath, that's the direction.
      -And what will help?
      - Get used to the ground.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 October 2022 07: 27
    0
    Today, the Ukrainian army uses artillery of both Soviet and NATO calibers, and the guns come to Ukraine from different countries, which also creates certain difficulties with the use of ammunition.
    reminiscent of the situation in 1905 in Port Arthur, when our artillery had a lot of calibers, and all kinds of BP. Let the barbell measure the barrels, and the caliber of the shells. bully
  5. fiv
    fiv 31 October 2022 07: 34
    +1
    Yes, they, klaklam, do not need shells. They each need one cartridge to shoot themselves. Well, whoever shoots badly gets two.
  6. Uprun
    Uprun 31 October 2022 07: 35
    +4
    Ammunition is just the tip of the iceberg, but the maintenance of equipment ...., they dragged so many animals there .....
    1. Bayun
      Bayun 31 October 2022 19: 29
      -1
      It seems to me alone that "gunpowder - separately; projectile - separately" in the conditions of a REAL war - sabotage?

      Maybe I don’t understand something, but visually, for an amateur, firing from artillery and tanks today looks more like 1812 than even 1941. Fighters with stick-loaders - "I hammered the charge into the cannon tightly."

      Range - rocket. Nearest is a projectile. When the "cylinders" are shoved, the useless battleships of the 1st World War are immediately remembered with their "tower, fire!"

      The same feeling from the add. mines. The engineers have thought of everything! No - some wise men "gain" hang. Obviously - due to the resource of the mechanism. You can also shoot from a 12-gauge Magnum rocket launcher, but not for long.
  7. smart fellow
    smart fellow 31 October 2022 07: 42
    +3
    Retired NATO officer

    Tens of thousands of officers of various specialties served in NATO countries.
    The variety of artillery systems that entered service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    There calibers are 155mm and 105mm, all guns are compatible with NATO standards.
    Recently, the use of Soviet-style artillery by the Armed Forces of Ukraine is less and less mentioned in reports, apparently there are still problems with shells.

    After seizing their own former warehouse near Izyum, the Ukrainians began to send NATO self-propelled guns for repairs, replacing them with Soviet-style howitzers. This was even mentioned in some article on VO. Prior to this, the Ukrainians sought the supply of Western artillery, explaining this by a lack of shells. there was no production of shells on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR.
    In the USA, there is good logistics in the army, and perhaps that is why they supplied a small amount of artillery, but they fully provided them with ammunition. The M-109 self-propelled guns are stored in Europe alone for more than a thousand and full in the Arizona desert, but their technical characteristics are inferior to modern self-propelled guns. Less accuracy, range 15-20 km OFS. Self-propelled guns K-9, Crab, etc. have greater accuracy and range of 30 km of OFS and 40 km of ARS. And the German Pzh-2000 - 45 km OFS and 52 km ARS with a rate of fire of 10-12 rounds per minute and can fire 5 shells so that they hit the target at the same time. Because of this, they are used to the maximum and are often sent for repairs.
    However, the 2S35 "Coalition-SV" is superior to the German miracle Yudo: it has a firing range of up to 70 km and a rate of fire of up to 16 rounds per minute.
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 31 October 2022 08: 07
      +4
      Quote: smart fellow
      However, the 2S35 "Coalition-SV" is superior to the German miracle Yudo: it has a firing range of up to 70 km and a rate of fire of up to 16 rounds per minute.

      But is she at the front?
  8. Ugens
    Ugens 31 October 2022 07: 52
    +3
    If - "the Ukrainian army spends shells too quickly", then obviously they are coping with the logistical nightmare.
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol 31 October 2022 09: 42
      0
      Rather, just the opposite. If NATO generals began to regret the shells fired at the "Russian orcs", then either there are problems with the delivery of shells, or the stock of shells, which is not a pity for the Ukrainians, is exhausted faster than calculations.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 October 2022 08: 01
    +3
    Kyiv faced a "logistic nightmare"
    So we wish him that this nightmare not only continues, but also grows, incl. problems with the maintenance and repair of equipment and art systems.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 31 October 2022 08: 15
    -1
    Retired NATO officer spoke about a "logistical nightmare" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the presence of artillery of various calibers
    Many, most faced this ... they decided how they managed.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 31 October 2022 08: 22
    -1
    Yes, everything is fine, the greater the variety of guns, the more opportunities to profit.
  12. Pravodel
    Pravodel 31 October 2022 08: 25
    +2
    about the "logistics nightmare" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the presence of artillery of various calibers

    Well, here's another nightmare. On the contrary, banderlogs sit and think about what kind of artillery and from whom to request and as much as possible. It's such a happiness to have a lot of everything and different ... You like it from the Germans, you like it from the Anglo-Saxons, and you like it from the Martians ... The main thing is more ...
  13. Illanatol
    Illanatol 31 October 2022 09: 39
    +1
    Recently, the use of Soviet-style artillery by the Armed Forces of Ukraine is less and less mentioned in reports, apparently there are still problems with shells.


    It is more likely that the "problems" began with the Soviet-style artillery pieces themselves. Their myriad of them becomes more and more "estimated" over time.
  14. ZuekRek
    ZuekRek 31 October 2022 19: 27
    -1
    For the sake of interest (including professional interest), I am now reading what I managed to find on LOGFAS (Logistic Functional Area Services) - NATO's logistics information system. In the process, I more and more come to the conclusion that the "Virage-Tablet" (yes, the enemy has it, but the very fact that it increases combat capability is not support for the enemy), etc. information support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the work of NATO specialists. To be honest, I am impressed by WHAT they have done in their field of logistics, provided that they have a lot of countries (and hence conditions and restrictions). So these statements... I don't think it's a real problem. If the suppliers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine know which weapons are where, there are no problems with the actual supply, there may be a problem associated with a shortage, but this is a separate issue.
  15. Master 2030
    Master 2030 31 October 2022 21: 34
    0
    In the Russian army, there are no fewer systems and calibers, they only do it regularly and a lot. That means the suppliers are working. In general, these songs by Roksolana are about how difficult it is for the quartermasters to get sick of it. Tell the grenade launcher on the front end how tired you are in the damn office.
  16. futurohunter
    futurohunter 31 October 2022 22: 08
    0
    By the way, about the birds. A few days ago, a local activist "Roman Skomorokhov" wrote indignantly about the same nightmare... at the Russian army! Don't believe? Here is the link: https://topwar.ru/201215-zachem-rossijskoj-armii-takaja-artillerija.html Isn't he hiding under an amusing Greek-Turkish chauffeur? Does it work on two fronts? Affectionate calf sucks two queens?
    1. avg avg
      avg avg 2 November 2022 03: 58
      0
      On whom are you crumbling a loaf, dear? To the local expert-encyclopedist!