Russian split. Senseless and merciless

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Russian split. Senseless and merciless

Usually, when they talk about the Russian schism, they mean the Church schism of the XNUMXth century. But in fact, that split would only be the forerunner of the complete split of the country into the ruling class and the people. Such a split began in the reign of Peter I. And continued throughout the entire Russian storiesreaching our days. So let's see how it was and what happened.

Nikonians and Old Believers


In the XNUMXth century, there was a separation from the Russian Orthodox Church of a part of the believers who did not accept the reforms of Patriarch Nikon. This is what is called the split. When, after the Time of Troubles under Mikhail and Alexei Romanov, foreign innovations began to penetrate into all spheres of life, the Russian people still remained zealots of Moscow antiquity, “faith and piety”, as their great-grandfathers were.



Everywhere it was said:

“Old Rome fell from heresies. The second Rome was captured by the godless Turks, Russia - the Third Rome, which alone remained the guardian of the true faith of Christ!

But the authorities increasingly began to call “spiritual teachers” – the Greeks – to Moscow, although part of society looked down on them, because they knew that the Greeks cowardly entered into a union with the Pope in 1439 in Florence.

But when Nikon, who convinced Alexei Mikhailovich of the need for church reform, was reproached for papism, he replied:

“Why not honor dad for good?”

Considering the Greek and Old Slavonic books as the primary sources of Orthodox truths, Nikon decided to compare the rites and liturgical customs of the Moscow church with the Greek ones. And what?

The Muscovites wrote “Jesus”, not “Jesus”, served liturgies on seven, and not on five, like the Greeks, prosphora, were baptized with two fingers, personifying God the Father and God the Son, and all other Eastern Christians crossed themselves with three fingers ("pinch"), personifying the Trinity. And in 1653, Nikon sent out a decree ordering to be baptized with a "pinch", and in books it was ordered to print "Jesus".

Russian handwritten and printed books on worship were ordered to be taken to Moscow for viewing. If they found discrepancies with the Greek, then the books were destroyed. The Holy Council of 1654, with the participation of the tsar and the Boyar Duma, approved Nikon's undertakings. Anyone who tried to argue, the patriarch blew out of the way.

The people of the patriarch forcibly broke into the houses of townspeople, merchants, nobles and even boyars, took away icons of “heretical writing” from the “red corners”, gouged out the eyes of the images and carried mutilated faces through the streets, reading a decree that threatened excommunication from the church to everyone who writes and stores similar icons.

The people perceived innovations as encroaching on faith. The Church split into "Nikonians" and "Old Believers". From persecution, zealots of the old faith fled to the forests, united in communities, founded sketes in the wilderness. Voivode Meshcherikov, who did not recognize Nikonianism, kept the Solovetsky Monastery under siege for seven years (1668–1676), until he took it and hanged all the rebels.

The leader of the Old Believers, Archpriest Avvakum, announced the imminent arrival of the end of the world, and called the tsar and the patriarch “the two horns of the Antichrist.” The Old Believers captured all segments of the population - from peasants to boyars. For example, noblewoman Morozova was arrested, but neither torture nor persuasion forced her to renounce her beliefs. Then she, chained in iron, was taken to prison in Borovsk. This moment is captured in Surikov's painting "Boyar Morozova".

Church Council 1666–1667 cursed the schismatics for their disobedience. The zealots of the old faith ceased to recognize the church that had excommunicated them.

Peter and boyars


"The bridle of iron raised Russia on its hind legs"

- so Pushkin wrote about Peter I. But I would like in this case, instead of the words "raised on its hind legs", write "raised on its hind legs"! Because they tortured and executed during the time of this king a lot and with taste. And we will not refer to the fact that, they say, the time was a!


Even by the standards of that time, Peter I looks monstrous. That's just about his dark deeds are not customary to remember. But, while suppressing the rebellion of the archers, Tsar Peter personally chopped off the heads of the rebels with an ax and forced his close associates to do the same. In adulthood, he tortured his own son Alexei. And these are just the well-known stories.

Less well known is how the tsar dealt with Major of the Preobrazhensky Regiment Stepan Glebov. For fifteen hours, Peter watched from a warm carriage as he, the “cordial friend” of the unloved wife of Tsar Evdokia, was dying on an unplanned “Persian” stake. And this is after 16 days of torture. After that, Peter gave the order - "to inflict a cruel death penalty."

But the reprisals in the spring of 1718 were associated with an investigation into the betrayal of Tsarevich Alexei. Peter promised his son to save his life, but he did not keep his word and personally tortured him. It was from torture that Alexei died. Well, okay, some will object, but he transformed Russia.

But even here it is not so simple. For example, in schools they teach that Peter created the Russian fleet. But, according to historians, he built ships in haste, unable to withstand the technology, and three years after his death, Russia had only three ships left. The population under Peter declined.

He destroyed the Russian merchants and Russian artisans, and it’s not at all about beards and replacing Russian dresses with European ones. According to the historian Klyuchevsky, almost all of Peter's reforms did not lead to the result they were intended for. So, the reform of the country's administration led to the fact that, for example, in 1719, official papers went from St. Petersburg to Vologda through Arkhangelsk.

The historian emphasized that it was at this time that forced labor was brought to an extreme degree of tension. He was accompanied by the breaking of age-old traditions, habits and beliefs... In the time of Peter the Great, foreigners poured into Russia, mostly Germans, who were paid twice as much in Russian military service as Russians.

In 1810, Nikolai Karamzin handed over to Alexander I his pamphlet “On Ancient and New Russia”, where he mercilessly criticized the activities of Peter I. His main fault was the humiliation of the sense of national dignity in Russians. Karamzin blamed Peter for the fact that

“We have become citizens of the world, but we have ceased to be citizens of Russia”!

The Petrine elite began to speak German, wear German dresses and lead, if possible, a "German way of life." The reforms did not affect the peasant life. Thus, in Russia there was a split into the ruling class and the people. These two countries generally ceased to understand each other.

By the way, they professed different religions. Let me remind you that Peter's wife Marta Skavronskaya, who became Catherine I, was a Lutheran, all the Germans who came to Russia were also Lutherans, many Russians who came to the fore under Peter, as a result, did not particularly adhere to Orthodox customs. Yes, and Peter ruined many churches and monasteries. No wonder the people called him "Antichrist".

And then what?


After the death of Peter I, his tradition of inviting foreigners to Russia for public service, production, trade, science and culture was continued. Only now the fashion for everything German was replaced by the fashion for everything French.

In general, the 1729th century is the century of France. At that time, in all countries of the European mainland, there was a fashion for everything French: for clothes, food, furniture, architecture, landscape art and, of course, for language. Many philosophical ideas of the Enlightenment and not only were adopted in Russia. Catherine II, nee Sophia Augusta Frederica of Anhalt-Zerbst (1796-XNUMX) corresponded with the French enlighteners. And the philosopher and encyclopedist Denis Diderot even came to St. Petersburg and regularly met with Catherine.

The French Revolution (1789-1799) gave impetus to the spread of the French language among the Russian nobles, when many aristocrats fled the country engulfed in riots and found refuge, including in Russia. Some of the emigrants reached heights, serving the Russian throne - like Armand-Emmanuel de Richelieu, a descendant of the famous cardinal, who became the mayor of Odessa. Others, not so successful, became tutors for wealthy families, taught noble children to dance or fencing.

We also recall that the heroine of Alexander Pushkin Tatyana Larina:

“I didn’t know Russian very well,
Didn't read our magazines
And expressed with difficulty
In their own language...

Why Tatyana Larina! For example, Emperor Alexander I always greeted his dignitaries in French. By the way, many Decembrists, who, as we remember from school years, opposed absolute monarchy and for the liberation of the peasants, did not speak Russian!

Something about the Decembrists


MP Bestuzhev-Ryumin during the investigation, sitting in the Peter and Paul Fortress, was forced, answering interrogation points, to leaf through the French-Russian lexicon for hours in order to correctly translate his testimony, which he composed in French. M. S. Lunin hardly spoke Russian. The brothers Muravyov-Apostles, who were brought up in France, knew the language rather poorly. Sergei was generally embarrassed to write and speak Russian. True, Matvey Ivanovich subsequently, in Siberia, by ear and thanks to reading Russian books, mastered the language quite well.

But not only the French language and France were carried away by the Decembrists. For example, the executed Decembrist Kondraty Ryleev especially revered the United States. By the way, he worked with several like-minded people in the Russian-American Trading Company (RAC), where he served as the ruler of the office of the main board.

The company was created for the development of Russian America. The RAK flag had three stripes: red bottom, middle blue and top white. A double-headed eagle was located on a white stripe, on the chest of the eagle there was a red shield with the image of St. George on a white horse, striking a snake. Yes, today such a flag is the state flag of the Russian Federation! The RAC flag flew over Alaska until October 18, 1867, before it was sold to the United States.

Decembrist Sergei Volkonsky wrote that he was going to visit different countries in 1815 and, especially

"The American States, which then occupied the minds of our Russian youth, in terms of their independent life and democratic political composition."


Ryleev, about to retire in 1818, told his colleagues about his desire to leave for America in order to start the foundation of an independence colony there, so as not to hear about the extortion and lawlessness of our country. Ryleev was considered the most pro-American of all the Decembrists, confident that

"There are no good governments in the world except America."

Sound familiar?

The split today


This is how the split went through the whole history of Russia. And it is not finished even today. We find out all the time which of the officials have houses in Italy, France, Spain, the USA ... Who has children, wives and mistresses living abroad, while money for a beautiful life there is earned here.

Now during the NWO there are many officials who want to keep their assets there. And so they are trying in every possible way to interfere with real reforms, the economic mobilization of the country and the adoption of strict laws. And the restrictions introduced in February began to be quickly lifted. For example, from February 28, the Central Bank obliged residents - participants in foreign economic activity to sell 80% of foreign exchange earnings under all foreign trade agreements. But already in June, the authorities nullified the standard for the mandatory sale of foreign exchange earnings.

The Central Bank introduced restrictions for foreign currency transfers of Russian resident individuals from March 5, 2022. Then it was possible to transfer no more than 5 thousand dollars a month to relatives. Then the amount of the transfer was increased to 150 thousand dollars, and from July 1, you can already transfer 1 million dollars a month. Here is such a liberalization. It is no coincidence that analysts predict that more than $2022 billion will flow out of Russia in 200.

Isn't this money needed for the modernization of our industry and for import substitution? But this question is the voice of one crying in the wilderness. From News: The Ministry of Finance paid for Chubais his debt of 9 billion. Anatoly Borisych is in perfect order, we are not worried about him.

And the Russian oligarch Fridman is ready to donate his local branch of Alfa-Bank to Ukraine and give $1 billion on top. And Russia is a fiddle! And why be surprised when supporters of globalists, Swabians and liberals of all stripes are sitting around in the ranks of our managers, not only not wanting to know the aspirations of the people, but also not eager to hear and talk to this people! They constitute the so far indestructible "fifth column". And I don’t even know what can destroy this firmament!


Is there light at the end of the tunnel?


You always want to believe in the best and believe that "the glass is half full" and not "half empty." And, speaking of the schism, let us recall that on January 12, 2013, the first liturgy according to the ancient rite after the schism was served in the Dormition Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin with the blessing of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill.

On May 24 of this year, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, on his namesake day, prayed for the unity of the Russian Orthodox Church:

“Today I especially pray that the forces of evil do not shake the unity of our Church, and this also means that these forces cannot shake the loyalty of our people to the faith of Christ and the ability to maintain unity and solidarity in the bowels of the Orthodox Church.”

Maybe with the unity of the Church, the overcoming of the split of the country will begin?
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  1. -3
    23 October 2022 05: 55
    ***
    Save, O God, Thy people and bless Thy heritage, visit with Thy mercy and bounty the land of Holy Russia, establish the true faith in it; expand, multiply, die and be unshakable and through the gates of hell forever preserve the Holy Church; make wise the archpastors and our shepherds, the right to rule the word of your truth, destroy and soon eradicate all division and heresies of rebellion; observe the Orthodox flock in the world; exalt the zealots of the faith of the fathers, and send down on us and on all the faithful people of Thy rich mercy.

    ***

    We also pray to the Lord and our Savior for the hedgehog to preserve in unity and orthodoxy the Orthodox Church throughout the world and to grant her peace and serenity, love and harmony, with the help of all, Lord, hear and have mercy.

    We also pray for hedgehog mercy and mercy to look upon the Holy Church
    Orthodox and save it from divisions and schisms, from enmity and discord, so that its unity does not diminish and shake, but may Thy Trisagion name be glorified in it, by the hands of all, Lord, hear and have mercy.
    ***
  2. +26
    23 October 2022 06: 15
    Rare nonsense.
    Why did Samsonov put on a skirt?
    I will not comment on this author again.
    1. +17
      23 October 2022 08: 33
      If essentially. Why is this article posted in the "History" section?
    2. +8
      23 October 2022 17: 33
      Why did Samsonov put on a skirt?




      In certain circles, it is fashionable, progressive and tolerant, at the same time the sex is changing and the marital status (married-married) does not change, only the nonsense invested in the head from birth. wassat
  3. +12
    23 October 2022 06: 23
    And therefore they are trying in every possible way to interfere with real reforms, the economic mobilization of the country and the adoption of strict laws.
    They began to interfere from the moment of SVO or before?
  4. +4
    23 October 2022 06: 25
    America in the time of Ryleev and America today are as different from each other as the USSR is from the Russian Federation. In the time of Ryleev, not only the advanced part of the youth, but even the royal people sympathized with America. Sympathy for the Gauls is another matter. Everything is correctly expressed here. We came to the current situation not because we imitated someone, but because dishonest figures decided to legalize their activities. And in their own way. Which is very different even from the world's rules. Having created a million-dollar elite, and now wishing to become independent. Everywhere has its own rules. Even if in favor of the strong. But as the creator of our society said - "We are building a gangster, criminal capitalism" - Chubais.
    1. -7
      23 October 2022 07: 25
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      America of Ryleev's time and America of today are as different from each other as the USSR is from the Russian Federation.

      belay Yeah. America of the time of Ryleev is a 100% colony of England, a comparison with the Russian Federation is not appropriate. request
      1. +8
        23 October 2022 08: 44
        In 1815 year ?!
        Fuck ...
        Fruits of modern education
        1. +3
          23 October 2022 10: 23
          Quote: aars
          In 1815 year ?!
          Fuck ...
          Fruits of modern education

          hi I agree, crap. Guilty. Not education, but KZ. It happens. request Understand and forgive. feel
      2. +4
        23 October 2022 09: 31
        The men didn't even know! laughing
        Well, those who are also called "founding fathers".
        For reference: the North American colonies gained independence even before the Great French Revolution (which also took place under the influence of this historical event).
  5. +3
    23 October 2022 06: 32
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    Rare nonsense.
    Why did Samsonov put on a skirt?
    I will not comment on this author again.

    You can’t say more precisely, a rare nonsense.
    1. +2
      23 October 2022 08: 58

      “Why not honor dad for good?”

      I first read these words of Alexei Mikhailovich here, so I will leave them on the conscience of the author. Auto, for some reason, did not cite the “wise” words of Archpriest Avvakum, for each of which the Old Believers had to excommunicate him.
      Where is grace left? Schismatics, as a rule, begin to multiply by division. Trying to prove who is holier. The Russian Orthodox Church is one, but the Old Believer movements are legion.
      Muscovites wrote "Jesus", not "Jesus"

      Full name in Aramaic Yehoshua (Savior). That is, the name Jesus is closest to the original.
      ... they served liturgy on seven, and not on five, like the Greeks, prosphora ...

      Actually, it's a tradition. Moreover, the tradition, which is not a dogma. Whether to serve the Liturgy on one prosphoron, or on two (how often they served on Athos), or on five, or on seven, there is no fundamental difference. In antiquity, from apostolic times, the Liturgy has always been served on one Bread (and one Chalice), as the Lord himself did.
      ... they were baptized with two fingers, personifying God the Father and God the Son, and all other Eastern Christians overshadowed themselves with a cross with three fingers ("pinch"), personifying the Trinity.

      It would be worth mentioning to the author that two-fingering was introduced under Ivan Vasilyevich. Therefore, before that there was a trinity. Two-fingeredness was anathematized by all Eastern patriarchs. That is, two-toed people are not members of the Catholic Apostolic Church. We are baptized in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. It turns out that the Old Believers deny the Holy Spirit.
      In general, the author, in my opinion, is either an Old Believer, or a sympathizer with them.
      1. +5
        23 October 2022 20: 04
        How do you think St. Sergius of Radonezh was baptized?

        In general, it's not about the number of fingers.
        1. +1
          21 November 2022 08: 21
          How do you think St. Sergius of Radonezh was baptized?

          Since he lived until the hundred-domed cathedral of 1551 AD. (7059 from S.M.) then he was baptized with THREE fingers.
          1. +1
            21 November 2022 19: 10
            But there is no certainty - there were many practices of the sign of the cross. And with one finger he could be baptized.
      2. +6
        23 October 2022 21: 54
        What didn't you like about the Stoarovers?
        No matter how it is, two-fingered or three-fingered is not a reason to persecute
      3. +3
        25 October 2022 20: 48
        Quote: Mikhalych
        In general, the author, in my opinion, is either an Old Believer, or a sympathizer with them.

        What's wrong with the Old Believers? Workers , not drunkards , do not smoke . they don’t lie, they don’t steal, they are faithful to their wife, children, parents .. They observe the traditions of the Fatherland .. Real Russian people ... The fact that the current and previous governments could not earn money on them (, not drunkards, they don’t smoke. they don’t lie , do not steal, they deny killing people), could not subject their ideology (capitalism, socialism, nationalism, communism to banditry)? The fact that the Old Believers help each other? Fanatics you say? Don't watch TV? Internet not respected? Do not give them loans? Not much lost ... Ah! They are lost to any propaganda ... They live their own lives and, as a rule, are rich ... without needing anything. There are a lot of healthy, strong children in families, old people are not abandoned, they are not handed over to nursing homes, there are no unemployed among young people ... No, well, it’s clear they don’t have eight Maybachs each, they don’t cut the budget, they don’t engage in corruption in parties, they don’t buy drugs, They don’t buy vodka, they don’t buy tobacco, they don’t like to kill people ... ..Very bad people of the Old Believers ... ... There would be such people all over the world ...
        1. 0
          21 November 2022 08: 18
          What's wrong with the Old Believers? Workers , not drunkards , do not smoke . they don’t lie, they don’t steal, they are faithful to their wife, children, parents .. They observe the traditions of the Fatherland ..

          Don't hang noodles on my ears! I had a whole team of Old Believers working for me. To all your statements I will say no!
          And as for the love of the motherland, so they had it at the level of the Jews. At least the same Savva Morozov, the Russian millionaire who financed the revolution.
          1. 0
            21 November 2022 10: 22
            Quote: Mikhalych
            I had a whole team of Old Believers working for me. To all your statements I will say no!

            They drank, stole, parasitized, and you paid them on time and correctly? Or were they holding money? Jews love their Motherland. From all over the Jewish world they collect a "Jewish tax" to support Israel .. All Jews pay this common fund. From the Rothschilds and Soros, to Aunt Sarah Filkinstein from Berdychiv. Savva Morozov financed the changes in Russia. Did he do it right or not? I do not know . In essence, changes were ripe in Russia at that time .. The question is how and who should have carried them out ... Remember - the tops cannot, the bottoms do not want ... So they got what they got .. Now, no matter how you get the same thing ... Russia will not survive another revolution ... They will crush, destroy.
          2. 0
            15 January 2023 22: 24
            But Savva Morozov should not be attributed to the Old Believers. He was not religious, although he was born in a family of Old Believers. And, as you put it - "financed the revolution" - by no means because of his convictions. But that's a completely different story.
        2. 0
          23 December 2022 14: 42
          You have very naive ideas about the Old Believers. I conclude that you know them from popular prints, where the oil comes from. The Old Believers are smart, hard-working and very cunning people. They will give gifts with considerable money. They can’t even stand water for an ordinary person. They live richly, they drive jeeps. Honey, wild plants, caviar, fish / meat. I haven’t seen them at the factory. An Old Believer in his right mind will never go to war, including standing up for the defense of the fatherland. They didn’t send a penny to our soldiers, it wouldn’t even occur to them. I read it. And they write on their own, and especially on "non-Old Believers." For an Old Believer, it's good where you can earn a ruble.
          1. 0
            15 January 2023 22: 32
            Rave. I know the Old Believers, I didn’t notice anything like that for them. This is about "They can't even stand water for an ordinary person. They live richly, in jeeps."
            And about "I didn't see them at the factory" I just laughed. Yes, we have a lot of them and work in the defense industry. And another pearl from ratveg: "I know, because I worked in the authorities, I read it. And they write on their own, and especially on" non-Old Believers. "Here's a storyteller! )))
  6. -4
    23 October 2022 06: 49
    Under Peter the population of Russia grew, stop lying already
  7. +6
    23 October 2022 06: 54
    I think that even after three hundred years it would not be bad and even useful for sooo many current boyars and merchants to cut their heads mercilessly.
  8. -5
    23 October 2022 06: 56
    once there was a primitive communal system, then slave-owning ........... capitalism. according to the evolution of mankind, it turns out that something else will also follow. once they wanted world communism, now a global government for the whole earth, which would be preferable. Our land for modern movement speeds is becoming more and more accessible in the sense of communication and mixing of nationalities and practically throughout its entire territory there is one way of life (after the collapse of the socialist camp), so that when a single government is established, there is no need to wage wars for resources and territories , which is beneficial to ordinary people whose lives these wars are waged. and showdowns between the owners of "factories, steamships, etc." will be conducted between them, maybe even civilized.
    1. -1
      1 November 2022 12: 05
      And in the government we will recruit the richest and most exceptional
  9. +9
    23 October 2022 06: 59
    As I noticed, there is no truth in history, "historians" constantly appear who are all new ... For some reason, the author is modest about the Stalinist period, not a word, maybe because it was just that they began to put things in order? Well, the church, as I noted, is a basic superstructure with its intrigues and tricks, serving the interests of the state machine and, in fact, is a powerful state mechanism! I myself have not been, but according to the stories of colleagues who visited the main military temple, which is in Patriot Park, there is more decency in the barracks leisure room than in this temple! Because they built not at the behest of the people, but by order in the name of their loved ones! So here is such a split, the main thing is not how you are baptized, but what you think .. and whom you commemorate ..., now often obscenities!
    1. -4
      23 October 2022 08: 02
      Quote: lithium17
      Well, the church, as I noted, is a basic superstructure with its intrigues and tricks, serving the interests of the state machine and, in fact, is a powerful state mechanism!

      Not quite so, for example, Ryleev, mentioned in the article and comments, sincerely repented before his execution and, he no longer cared about America, intrigues and basic add-ons, the man’s brains were cleared, he had not yet been executed, but he was already in another world and not because he was afraid of death.
      1. +2
        23 October 2022 09: 53
        Ryleev repented before God, who by no means is the leader of the church. In this case, symbolism, and the imposition by religion of what will happen when we are gone .... In the end, any religious superstructure is essentially a corporation ... or who believes that as a result of prayers and miracles, our clergy (and all the rest ) live well? I will say more later that many scientists of the exact sciences believe in God, but there is no God in the church. For me personally, the church is the place where people come as people who are aware of their weakness, with repentance for their trickery and repentance! Although there are also enough sects.
        1. +1
          23 October 2022 11: 47
          Quote: lithium17
          a place where people come as people conscious of their weakness, with remorse for their meanness and repentance!

          So after all, there is nowhere else to go, not to a tavern.
          1. +2
            23 October 2022 13: 44
            Quote: bober1982
            So after all, there is nowhere else to go, not to a tavern.

            Well, only if with a political officer or a priest ... They will show how to break away from the "deanery"! And there will be no drinking parties, but there will be a spiritual event!
  10. +4
    23 October 2022 07: 21
    Can, with the unity of the Church and overcoming the split of the country will begin?
    Unlikely. The endless meetings and "consultations" of our hierarchs with the Pope speak rather of rapprochement with the Catholics and the desire to lie under them.
    On January 12, 2013, in the Assumption Cathedral of the Moscow Kremlin, with the blessing of His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, the first liturgy after the schism according to the ancient rite was performed.
    This is only an external spectacular gesture (not even a step), "we are for reconciliation and chewing gum, let's live together." And this speaks more of a desire to subdue the Old Believers. I hope the followers of Avvakum will resist and will not betray the faith of their ancestors.
    1. +1
      23 October 2022 07: 44
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      I hope the followers of Avvakum will resist and will not betray the faith of their ancestors.

      The followers themselves have a big discord, they would have to deal with each other.
      1. +3
        23 October 2022 08: 05
        Quote: bober1982
        The followers themselves have a big discord, they would have to deal with each other.

        Sadly. I represent. Territorial disunity led to spiritual disunity, probably there is no authoritative center.
      2. +1
        23 October 2022 08: 18
        Quote: bober1982
        The followers themselves have a big discord, they would have to deal with each other.

        If you are interested in the RPSC, then here is a link to their official website: https://rpsc.ru/


        The Rogozhsky spiritual center was visited by Russian President Vladimir Putin:
        https://rpsc.ru/news/mitropoliya/presidents_visit/

        On the subject:

        Quote: A. Kozyreva
        Maybe with the unity of the Church, the overcoming of the split of the country will begin?

        In our multi-confessional country, no single "church" can unite everyone, but it is quite possible to act as a schism in faith.
  11. +2
    23 October 2022 08: 04
    "continuation will begin with the unity of the Church" there are many churches: the ROC, Catholic, Lutheran, in turn, is divided into 2 main areas: Calvanists and Lutherans.
    The Old Believers, in turn, are divided into different directions.
    The Orthodox Church is also not united: the Moscow Patriarchy, Kyiv, Byzantium.
    Which church to unite?
    It's like having a wife and a husband's mistress in the same bed. Even cooler
    1. +4
      23 October 2022 08: 43
      Quote from lisikat2
      Catholic, Lutheran, in turn, is divided into 2 main areas: Calvanists and Lutherans

      The Lutheran Church is not divided in any way. Especially the Calvinist. They are completely different denominations...
      1. +4
        23 October 2022 09: 28
        She's probably speaking to the Reformed Church?
      2. +8
        23 October 2022 11: 17
        It’s just that Katya, as usual, got a little carried away ...))) Yes
  12. -1
    23 October 2022 08: 12
    Prince Vladimir chose the Orthodox faith based on the teachings of the true faith in Christ, which was stated in the ancient Greek writings and which determined the very name of religion in Russia - a religion that correctly glorifies Christ. But one must be completely naive in thinking that the Catholics of Europe agreed with this. From the time of Alexander Nevsky, Catholicism wanted to see Russia under the heel of the Pope. Therefore, during the Time of Troubles, the Poles and Lithuanians sent such a "landing force" of Catholicism to Moscow that the Orthodox did not rake it out until the time of Mikhail Fedorovich, and his son and Patriarch Nikon had to do it. The schismatic Old Believers are from the intrigue, stubbornness and pride of Avvakum, and from the greed of the Morozov family, which is a sin anyway. The illiteracy of the pastors in the parishes and even their venality proves why, for the most part, monks with literate abbots of monasteries did not follow Habakkuk.
    And the fact that in the article, they say, Pushkin, preferably the author, could better be an anti-statist like the Decembrists, then such Russians as the author of the article are very quickly ashamed under certain circumstances to call themselves Russians, but Pushkin, a descendant of the Ethiopians, was not burdened by his Russianness.
    Here the author writes that Peter the Great did not have time to create glory for the Russian fleet. So after all, it was then completed, considering themselves Russians by right and raising the Motherland from its knees, the creators of Russian seafaring glory and Bellingshausen and Krusenstern. And not putting up with a narrow worldview, as the author of the article, they tried to look beyond the horizon, and considered it an honor to be called Russian by the Scots - Greig, de Tolly and Lermont...
    But if not the communists, then no one would have remembered the Decembrists, who in fact were the fifth column of the West and foreign agents, with the victory of which Russia would have been baptized into Catholicism, or the Russians would have been deprived of their faith, as later, under their revering communists, it happened ...
    1. +1
      23 October 2022 11: 28
      Quote: north 2
      Prince Vladimir chose the Orthodox faith based on the teachings of the true faith in Christ
      Not the Orthodox faith, but Christianity: Russia was baptized even before the schism. And I chose it for completely mundane reasons: to join Byzantium, which at that time remained the only advanced country in the world (well, maybe someone in Asia was also of a comparable level, I don’t know). At least they only had a university back then. It can be seen Caesar promised to send educated priests, but deceived.
    2. 0
      1 November 2022 12: 27
      Quote: north 2
      Prince Vladimir chose the Orthodox faith based on the teachings of the true faith in Christ

      Volodya was baptized for the same reason as Kostya - sins were not allowed into heaven. And the Jewish God guarantees forgiveness (ALL forgiveness, Karl, that is, play tricks, as you like, just don’t forget to roll up the “clean” before leaving). In general, all these Abrahamic denominations are rather foul: Jews are Nazis, Mohammedans are merchants (any sin can be compensated for if there are free funds), but Christianity is a refuge for scum with its forgiveness (they can also present: “If you don’t sin, then you are proud, but pride is a mortal sin. Why don't we, brethren in Christ, show us the mother of Kuzma to this sinner?")
  13. +5
    23 October 2022 08: 41
    Maybe with the unity of the Church, the overcoming of the split of the country will begin?

    So, should we pray or in 2024 try again to change the government, peacefully? And what about the unity of the church, if the split is by no means in the spiritual plane, but in the social one? People want elementary justice, as well as the responsibility of the authorities for their actions. And we didn’t have this responsibility, and we don’t have it. Even the outflow of money from the country did not stop (on the contrary, it increased!), what can we say about any revolutionary transformations.
    1. +2
      23 October 2022 09: 33
      Duck, autosha says: let's pray to connect what is not connected
  14. +11
    23 October 2022 09: 01
    Everything was mixed in the house of Oblonsky ...
    It began with a split, the events and causes of which the author understands very vaguely. It continued with a run-in with Pyotr Alekseevich, to whom there are really a lot of complaints, but what is voiced is ... no, of course, you can sort everything out point by point, but is it worth it?
    Then it came to the Decembrists, the Russian language, if you please, was poorly known, after which a smooth (actually not very) transition to the export of capital from the country.
    And like a cherry on the cake, a call to unite with the Old Believers!
    1. +2
      23 October 2022 19: 04
      Then it came to the Decembrists, the Russian language, if you please, they knew it poorly
      They went out to the square, solely from not knowing the Russian language, but as if they knew and confusion, it would not have happened. laughing laughing
      1. +4
        23 October 2022 19: 15
        In this sense, the Decembrists were ordinary representatives of their class, who knew not only the language poorly, but also their own country in general. But...
        Nikolai Pavlovich, among other things, is known for being the first to speak Russian at court, moreover, even with the ladies, with which he draped them in the least))
        What a delightful excuse for conspiracy theories!
  15. +4
    23 October 2022 09: 07
    M-yes. Regarding "they are terribly far from the people" - that is, that is. And what to do with it is not clear. The problem is that economics and politics are not football, which we all understand feel Nobody knows how to play
  16. +4
    23 October 2022 09: 22
    The sense of justice in a person, I believe, is innate. The religious schism (in the sense of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc., etc.) is a kind of rivalry between spiritual elites. And the power is in the truth! And if the local department of statistics calls the average salary of a teacher at 46.000 rubles, and the teacher's wife receives 18.000, then I believe her more. Same with SVO. We started for justice, but we continue for the commercial interests of the elite in quotation marks.
    1. -4
      23 October 2022 15: 39
      What category does the wife have, what is the load? Is she a class teacher or not? The teacher's salary depends on all this.
    2. -4
      23 October 2022 20: 41
      In what region and how many hours does your wife have at school?
  17. +9
    23 October 2022 09: 25
    Comrades, either I'm completely stupefied, but I don't feel like it, or the author "cooked" such a vario that: "the soup is not edible today" (c)
  18. +5
    23 October 2022 09: 41
    Maybe with the unity of the Church, the overcoming of the split of the country will begin?


    What Church? We have a lot of Muslims and Buddhists and atheists ... will you order them overboard?
    The first and most significant split in our country was caused by the adoption of Christianity: not everyone accepted the religion of their former enemies, the Byzantines, with a bang, as others imagine.
    However, elements of paganism have been preserved even among the "new believers", not only among the "old believers". Once until now, pagan holidays have been preserved (Shrovetide, for example).

    The Christian religion is essentially cosmopolitan. "There is neither a Hellenic nor a Jew ...". As the basis of patriotism, it does not specifically channel, and society cannot be consolidated on such a basis.
  19. +2
    23 October 2022 13: 32
    I was embarrassed by the warm carriage, was there a stove there? even if it didn’t help much, there were no glasses in the windows of carriages of those eras, they would have simply broken by cutting passengers, they began to insert glasses after the massive appearance of rubber tires and paving stones on the streets
  20. +5
    23 October 2022 15: 10
    Very superficially, to put it mildly, a set of theses, statements and slogans. I don't even want to argue with such an empty talk.
  21. +4
    23 October 2022 20: 40
    There is elderberry in the garden, and in Kyiv there is an uncle ... No, it’s more suitable for people mixed up in a bunch of horses .... Editorial .. Well, somehow it is necessary to regulate the uncontrolled flow from some authors ... Well, this is some kind of trouble
    1. +2
      24 October 2022 07: 10
      There is elderberry in the garden, and in Kyiv there is an uncle ... No, it’s more suitable for people mixed up in a bunch of horses .... Editorial .. Well, somehow it is necessary to regulate the uncontrolled flow from some authors ... Well, this is some kind of trouble

      I agree with you.
      Very often, such stupid articles began to appear on the site.
      In general, the degradation of editorial policy.
      Well, how can you read such cries of a mentally ill person on a serious resource?
  22. 0
    24 October 2022 07: 06
    The Central Bank introduced restrictions for currency transfers of Russian resident individuals from March 5, 2022. Then it was possible to transfer no more than 5 thousand dollars a month to relatives. Then the amount of the transfer was increased to 150 thousand dollars, and from July 1, you can already transfer 1 million dollars a month. Here is such a liberalization.
    Isn't this money needed for the modernization of our industry and for import substitution?

    The author proposes to take and take away what people have acquired?
    This is called theft.
  23. +3
    24 October 2022 08: 38
    Quote: north 2
    The schismatic Old Believers are from the intrigue, stubbornness and pride of Avvakum, and from the greed of the Morozov family, which is a sin anyway. The illiteracy of the pastors in the parishes and even their venality proves why, for the most part, monks with literate abbots of monasteries did not follow Habakkuk.


    Here are just real Old Believers - not intriguers and rednecks, but those who are firm in their faith, try not to violate the commandments, are hardworking, not prone to drunkenness and other excesses. Is it a coincidence that both Catherine the Great and Joseph Stalin valued the Old Believers? From them, entrepreneurs-philanthropists turned out to be worthy and soldiers - what to look for.
    But the ROC, after Nikon's reforms, began to lose its authority, finally - by the revolution of 1917. So, when the "Jewish commissars" began to destroy the churches, no one particularly interceded, ordinary men helped in this process. There were many more churches in Russia than commissars, and then the commissars had a lot of other things to do.
    1. 0
      24 October 2022 08: 55
      How we like to quote Pushkin's words about "a senseless rebellion ..." and this despite the fact that the poet himself neither served nor worked, led a vicious lifestyle, which then the judgments of this person could have made if he arranged about three dozen duels and what these judgments might be worth today.
  24. +3
    24 October 2022 09: 49
    "Everything is mixed up, in the Oblonsky house" (c)
  25. +1
    24 October 2022 13: 19
    Maybe with the unity of the Church, the overcoming of the split of the country will begin?
    No matter how you put people on their feet, they all strive to get on all fours, but with their foreheads on the floor. Natural slaves. If slavery is squeezed out of them, an empty skin will remain. Like a dead cockroach.
  26. 0
    24 October 2022 20: 41
    And there is something from history ... But the presentation of information is similar to the mouthpiece of power than to the opinion of the author.
    Personal opinion.
  27. 0
    25 October 2022 19: 16
    Madam, from your words, everything is bad with us, but under the Old Believers everything was fine and would have been. But history knows no subjunctive.
  28. +1
    26 October 2022 15: 33
    The author is lying. There was a Stoglavy Cathedral in 1551. He declared the two-fingered sign of the cross to be canonical. All who were baptized otherwise were cursed. And under Nikon they said that everyone who is baptized with two fingers is damned. That's where the dog is buried. What the hell was doing it? With how many fingers the apostles were baptized, no one knows anyway .....
    1. +1
      1 November 2022 00: 49
      ort(ort). October 26, 2022 15:33. NEW -".. With how many fingers the apostles were baptized, no one knows anyway ....."

      Eco. you turned... recourse
      Христианство Came with Vladimir.though not a fact. what was not before feel ...But. not so massively .. Vladimir ... how Peter 1 "worked" - how Novgorod was baptized!? ... the reason ... from the benefits in alliance with Byzantium ... to personal ... One thing is to serve God and your relatives. .. Another - all power is from God ... but if it’s like Gorbi or EBN (About Aloziuch is not even pronounced) ....
      Пthe emerging chistianism gradually adapted to the removed (but not cleared) и something absorbed from the Vedic teachings( Gstupidity to consider this is just the so-called. paganism) ... No.
      Primitive - andvan the Terrible, did not recognize Latinism, but not only. Here is his reply to Antonio Possevin:
      “We carry the true Christian faith, but not the Greek one. The Greeks are not our gospel. We do not have a Greek, but a Russian faith.” stop It's all said here fellow ...
      The Romanovs solved "their" issue and "played" also politics belay . look at when and what happened... Yes, and Nikon was not "against" becoming an Orthodox "pope". bully But. as a result - I received ... and "left". crying But the cause of the split "accomplished" fool . Benefits to those who were "beneficiaries". quite a bit on the "topic" of the specialists of the Latins, Polish and Little Russian, "got drunk" on this ... drinks Ideally, the resource compared "Nikonian" and "Old Believers" not by words, but by deeds. the latter have passed both the split and life through the centuries WORTHY.
      And about others. different are Yes! And so ... pLord, look. listen to one of Zadorny's stories about how he communicated with the "father" on the train. belay ..https://vk.com/video-20650061_164396513
      As for the fingers and how it should be - this is to the mirror. they will answer there. sad And if you look at old icons and icons "just". look for yourself in those where there is a "way out" to "how they were baptized ..." belay тOh, that double-fingered sign of the cross. No trick. what I see is "sing".
      For those. who is "far" from the church and from the icons. but respects God ("in trend"), see "clamshell" - Our Lady. God. Saint Nicholas is a miracle worker. Take a closer look at how their fingers are folded for the sign of the cross. Such "clamshells" are in the foreground. feel
      As for whether it matters or not. The red-white problem is minuscule compared to the split in time. and how even on this resource it sometimes "lights up".
      Тthere is something to think about. hi
      What do we want - PEACE or .. that someone would be poking around in our historical "sores" that someone has not forgotten. AND . most importantly ... NOT FUNNY. somehow....
  29. 0
    31 October 2022 12: 08
    Great article, Anna.
    And do not pay attention to the creaking of the mandibles of noviops, continue, you are doing well. love
  30. 0
    20 January 2023 19: 41
    Quote: Anna-Ivanova
    But Savva Morozov should not be attributed to the Old Believers. He was not religious, although he was born in a family of Old Believers. And, as you put it - "financed the revolution" - by no means because of his convictions. But that's a completely different story.

    The Old Believers are not only and, especially in the later period, not so much about religion. This is also a question of traditions, morality, social ties. So what can and should be attributed to the Old Believers