And again about the role of the UAV: ​​the airborne troops defeated the column of enemy armored vehicles after receiving data from the drone

And again about the role drones during a special military operation. The Department of Defense itself began to recognize that in a number of episodes, a well-organized intelligence process with the help of drones allows not only to stop attacks from the enemy in one direction or another, but also to inflict damage on him in manpower and equipment at a time when the enemy does not expect this at all.

An example of the effective use of UAVs is the use of such equipment by Russian paratroopers in one of the areas of the NWO.

With the help of a drone, a column of enemy armored vehicles was identified. Promptly responding to the data received, a timely blow was dealt to the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And timeliness in this case is the key point. Indeed, often the situation boiled down to the fact that even if the enemy was fixed, then until the information reaches the artillery crews, until the commanders on the ground receive the go-ahead for a strike from the higher command, not even tens of minutes, and sometimes hours passed. As a result, the blow often went to the "milk" in the sense that the enemy managed to move to a completely different place during this time. You see, he was not going to wait for the moment when we had 9 rounds of approvals...

One can imagine the reaction of those military personnel who established the coordinates of the enemy with the help of aerial reconnaissance, and then they also had to observe how artillery crews were working on the enemy with an unacceptable delay.

Here the question is to the very organization of data exchange, to the "extra" links from the series "Information received, we will respond soon - after the appropriate order from the command post." This process, by definition, should take a minimum of time. Otherwise...

This time everything, as they say, has grown together. The blow was delivered, as already noted, in a timely manner, as a result of which the enemy lost five armored vehicles, two main combat tank, several foot soldiers.

The Ministry of Defense quotes a participant in the battle:

The observer saw a tank with infantry on it. The battle went on for about two hours. Toward the end of the battle, the enemy fled in a panic.

Comments

[ALEXX.]

Yes, unfortunately we have too many agreements.

[free]

Handsome, the shots are just offset, the operator is well done and the equipment is apparently cool

[bandabas]

This is how we live. One works, five controls. And then ten more check.

[Askold65]

Indeed, often the situation boiled down to the fact that even if the enemy was fixed, then until the information reaches the artillery crews, until the commanders on the ground receive the go-ahead for a strike from the higher command, not even tens of minutes, and sometimes hours passed.

And why should commanders on the ground wait for "good from the higher command"? This is still not the situation when you need to strike at the "decision-making centers" somewhere in Kyiv.
This is how you can wait for a decision from the "higher command" to defeat the attacking Ukrainian tanks or enemy DRGs. What a nonsense....

[Volodin]

Quote: Askold65

And why should commanders on the ground wait for "good from the higher command"?

Everyone asks this question, but in many cases, unfortunately, this is the case. I would like to hope that they already "situated"

[AG-76]

"tradition" - everything must be coordinated with the authorities, get approval for everything.
We need urgent support from artillery or aviation, so we need to coordinate everything, get the go-ahead. And while the request goes through the authorities, until the go-ahead for striking is received, and until the order is sent down the chain of command to the direct executors, then there is no longer any need for such support - the enemy is either already far away or even worse - there is no one to support ...
How was Rust's infamous flight? While the authorities were reporting and waiting for a decision from above, he had already landed on Red Square, disgracing the entire power of Soviet air defense. But it was possible to shoot down immediately after violating the state border. But no one wanted to answer for this and lose their shoulder straps, as a result, a shame, and shoulder straps flew anyway ...
This is how we fight...

[Askold65]

Quote: AG-76

"tradition" - everything must be coordinated with the authorities, get approval for everything.
We need urgent support from artillery or aviation, so we need to coordinate everything, get the go-ahead. And while the request goes through the authorities, until the go-ahead for striking is received, and until the order is sent down the chain of command to the direct executors, then there is no longer any need for such support - the enemy is either already far away or even worse - there is no one to support ...

And that our special forces behind enemy lines also previously coordinated with the authorities the destruction of a fuel truck or an armored car with Polish mercenaries by ATGMs?
Or should anti-aircraft gunners who have detected a target wait for instructions from above before using missiles? There the score goes for seconds .... Actually.
And if ours did not coordinate with the headquarters a strike on the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then, apparently, the ukrovoyaks will "snitch" on the phone to the Russian command that, de, they - the Ukrainians were traveling in a peaceful armored column to positions with "gifts" on the occasion of Putin's anniversary, and they were bombed without your knowledge. Take action against your subordinates?
But seriously, this is either some kind of bullshit from a correspondent about the need for approvals, or, if so, then such an army, squeezed by such instructions, has no chance of winning.

[AG-76]

The lower-level infantry commander sitting in the trenches with his platoon has no direct access to the pilots. To do this, his unit must have an aircraft controller who has direct communication with the crews in the air. And if it is not there, then you can request air support only by sending a request to the authorities, losing precious time. In addition, aviation, ready to strike, at this moment should be on duty in the air in readiness to provide support, and not an airfield hundreds of kilometers away

[Askold65]

We are discussing an article where a target is detected using a UAV and then it must be immediately destroyed by all available means, and not wait for permission from above. We are talking about the battlefield, and not about the shelling (bombing) of some remote infrastructure facilities, the destruction of which within the framework of the NMD requires a political decision
In your example, you point out the problems of interaction between various branches of the armed forces, and not "allow / do not allow" to fire.

[Askold65]

Quote: AG-76

How was Rust's infamous flight? While the authorities were reporting and waiting for a decision from above, he had already landed on Red Square, disgracing the entire power of Soviet air defense. But it was possible to shoot down immediately after violating the state border. But no one wanted to answer for this and lose their shoulder straps, as a result, a shame, and shoulder straps flew anyway ...
This is how we fight...

The country was not then in a state of active warfare. Quite a different situation.

[Guran33 Sergey]

No need for la-la, shortly before that, a Boeing slammed in Kamchatka, the course of which was crossed by an Amer intelligence officer (also a Boeing) and which deviated 450 km from the course (even US senators were on board .. It was a direct provocation labeled against the command of the Soviet army

[Askold65]

This is exactly the case when the fighter pilot first led the intruder and gave him various signals to change the route. And only after that he received permission to use weapons. Once again, the USSR was not at war. Otherwise (during the war), those who did not respond to the request "friend or foe" would simply launch missiles at Boeing.

[Guran33 Sergey]

Rust was also led, but they didn’t receive an order for destruction.

[Askold65]

During the war, Rust would have been shot down in the same way. But then in the "perestroika" country, Gorbachev already ruled, and what happened, what happened ....

[AG-76]

Those. in peacetime - fly in any bastard, won't we shoot down?
And if he had not landed on Red Square, but dropped something over Moscow, and not leaflets at all ...?

[Askold65]

In peacetime, high-speed interceptor aircraft fly out to intercept to visually identify the intruder. And, either they force him to leave the airspace, or they force him to land. If the intruder does not comply with the commands of the interceptor pilots, then the pilots report information to the CP. And already there they make a decision, up to calls upstairs.
In wartime, they are simply shot down remotely.

[AG-76]

The fact of the matter is that high-speed interceptors were of no use. They not only could not plant him, but even visually recognize
speed is incomparable. Tsesna is a small, slow-moving aircraft, flying close to the ground, over the railway, if I'm not mistaken. In this situation, radars did not see him, missiles and interceptors could not direct him. Since it was not shot down immediately after it was discovered and crossed the border, then only helicopters could lead it, land it or shoot it down. But there are no helicopters in air defense, this is army aviation, another command ...

[Askold65]

Quote: AG-76

The fact of the matter is that high-speed interceptors were of no use. They not only could not plant him, but even visually recognize

You latched on to this particular case. Reconnaissance Boeings, Poseidons and other jets are only capable of intercepting interceptor jets.
Rust's plane was discovered and during the flight it constantly fell into the field of view of various radars, but then a chain of perestroika mess began in the SA and the USSR. Here are a few paragraphs from an article on "VO" for October 21, 2013: https://topwar.ru/34811-hronologiya-poleta-matiasa-rusta.html

At 14.10, over the territorial waters of the Soviet Union, an unidentified light-engine aircraft was discovered by an on-duty radar company (Radar P-15) near the Estonian village of Loksa, which was approaching the coastline. According to the instructions, the air object was assigned the next number and the sign "violator of the flight regime", since at that time there were no applications for flights in this area of ​​​​small aircraft. The course of the aircraft practically coincided with the direction of the busy air route Helsinki-Moscow, where there were several aircraft in the upper echelons of the airspace.

The calculation of the command post of the 14 Division of the Air Defense Forces has begun to refine and analyze the air situation. It was decided: until the situation was completely clarified, the information “upward” should not be issued. Over the territory of Estonia at that moment were at least 10 light aircraft of various departmental affiliation. None of them was equipped with a state identification system. At the command posts of the units and the duty units of the 14 Division, gain changes were called.

At 14.36, the pilot of the MiG-23 fighter, Senior Lieutenant Puchnin (Tapa airfield), discovered the aircraft of Matthias Rust and reported: "In the breaks of the clouds I observe a sports aircraft of the Yak-12 type with a dark stripe on board." Visual contact was short-lived due to dense cloud cover. Matthias' plane could not be found again. During the investigation, Rust was asked the question: "Have you seen a fighter?" Matthias replied: "Yes, I saw and even greeted him, but he (the fighter) did not give me any signals, and my radio was turned off." The report of the MiG-23 pilot was accepted, but was ignored. It was considered that the detected aircraft belonged to one of the local flying clubs, where scheduled flights were carried out at that time.

And so on....

[Postcode]

Because the commander does not have attached artillery on the spot, it is supportive, which means that it is necessary not to independently set fire missions, but to request support from the senior commander.

[Normann]

From all sides there are enough of those who want to live - that's why they run.

[Oleg . B.]

"The Ministry of Defense itself has begun to recognize that in a number of episodes, a well-organized reconnaissance process using drones allows not only to stop attacks from the enemy in one direction or another, but also to inflict damage on him in manpower and equipment ..." - this is from author(0710.2022). It is very insulting and painful that only now MY BEGINNING TO RECOGNIZE !!!! This recognition should have happened 5-7 years ago. We don’t want or we don’t know how to study (comrade generals), we pay with soldier’s blood.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Oleg. B.

It is very insulting and painful that only now MY BEGINNING TO RECOGNIZE !!!! This recognition should have happened 5-7 years ago.

It's still good that it's a start! Otherwise, they could stand their ground until they were hoarse: they say, everything is according to plan, the tasks of this stage have been completed, we are moving forward, the troops are working as usual ...

[yuriy55]

And again about the role of the UAV:

Did you want to convince us, or are you trying to reach out to Russian UAV manufacturers and designers in this way?
Let's hope that your message and our aspirations will have an impact on the technical minds.

[ZoV]

Quote: yuriy55

Let's hope that your message and our aspirations will have an impact on the technical minds.

Let's hope .. A lot of things were revealed during the NWO

[RuAbel]

The point, as always, is not in the military bureaucracy, but in the ability of officers on the ground to take responsibility. And then, as is customary (was) in the military caste - either an order on the chest, or a bullet in the temple.

[Saboteur_Navy]

We also need shock UAVs, especially long-range

[Hey]

On the one hand, I understand these agreements. There is such a concept in the military calculation of forces and means.
If the battery must ensure the company's advance for reconnaissance in force at 11.00, then if the enemy column appeared at 10.30, then naturally fire will not be opened on it, because this is a violation of the order and a disruption of the combat mission. And if the superior commander was born a baobab and the chief of staff is a dunduk and they cannot quickly use the allocated funds, hence the result.

[hellcos]

I wonder what kind of UAV is used - is it some new Iranian one or did they put a normal one in our camera? Painfully the quality is good, not at all like what was previously posted. Without such permission, it would be impossible to see the targets in the green

[NAF-NAF]

picture quality is about the camera, not about its media. A good camera can be installed on any (almost) UAV.

[hellcos]

Yes, I understand that, that's why I'm asking the question. At the same time, a normal camera and Iranian drones appeared. And what prevented you from putting a normal camera before? Not 1, not 2, but 7 months have passed.

[Muradis]

It's a normal mavic. They have a pretty good camera

[NAF-NAF]

And what got in the way...

- you can name the name and title of the person that prevented equipping the army with the most necessary in modern warfare. But, unfortunately, it is not customary now to put such scoundrels against the wall - entire colonel generals, and secondly, here you can get a ban for voicing names ...

[Gromovanton]

Generally interesting. From the presented video, they most likely hit with the corrected Kitolov-2, since one piece of equipment is immediately hit with one shot without a miss, and the Airborne Forces could only shoot with a 120mm Mortar or 122mm D-30 .. From the presented frames 2 units. technicians were hit (1 unit for sure - MBT and explosion No. 2 is visible) at the beginning of the video and infantry fighting vehicles: 2 are shown burned, 2 left by the crews.
From the video, the rest of the column went further ... Most likely just a short video ... It would be great to see how the battle developed for 2 hours, but war is not a cinema ...
And so it’s certainly excellent and it’s necessary: ​​UAV + artillery challenge + high-precision defeat, unless of course the regiment is advancing.

[Sergey Drozdov]

And the railroad can be tracked down in this way and screwed up for a long time?