The Ministry of Defense gave clarifications on the postponement of partial mobilization

Partial mobilization in Russia, in the current realities, has become, although somewhat belated, but an important step, which was treated with understanding by a considerable part of our fellow citizens. However, in the course of the events, a number of issues arose that require prompt clarification.

In particular, who is subject to conscription and who is entitled to a deferment. At the same time, if in the first case everything seems to be clear, then confusion has arisen more than once with the right to deferment.

The Ministry of Defense gave exhaustive explanations on this issue, and instructed the General Staff to bring the relevant information to representatives of the military commissariats as soon as possible, as reported in the TG channel of the department.

The Ministry of Defense explained that, first of all, the delay applies to full-time and part-time students who are receiving secondary or higher education for the first time in state or commercial organizations.

Earlier it was reported that employees of the IT sector working in accredited companies can use the right to defer. In addition, this applies to citizens liable for military service who work at defense industry enterprises, communications and the media, and also ensure the stable operation of the Russian financial system.

Finally, the father of a child with a severe incurable disease or a parent raising three children, one of whom has a disability, can receive a deferment.

According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, more than 200 people have already arrived to serve in the RF Armed Forces during mobilization activities. The total number of reserve servicemen who are planned to be called up as part of the current stage is about 300 thousand people, which is slightly more than one percent of Russia's total mobilization reserve.

Comments

[TatarinSSSR]

Some old farts in the command staff of the RF Ministry of Defense. All of the Sovdep era, the times of the USSR army ....

[Maz]

Many complain about the lack of adequate commanders in the Russian army. Historical anecdote on the topic. In the summer of 1941, near Yelnya, the 19th Infantry Division showed itself without much brilliance. Its commander was removed personally by Georgy Zhukov.

It is interesting that only Major Alexander Utvenko took the place of the offending commander. For such a case, he was hastily promoted immediately to colonel. Utvenko by that time was 35 years old, he fought for only a few weeks. But Zhukov did not look at either the service life or the age - if only the person was brave, energetic and qualified.

Utvenko ended the war as a corps commander and lieutenant general, having managed to fight near Stalingrad, in the Donbass and near Vienna. And the regiment that he left was generally led by the former commander of the autobattalion, in fact, a sergeant.

Horses are not changed at the crossing. Donkeys can and should be changed. And the hawks are given room to fly.

[rotkiv04]

and what to do if the whole vertical of power is donkeys there, and it’s clearly not a hawk at the head, but the cat Leopold

[2 Level Advisor]

You got excited about something, about "only a major" .. a little more about A. Utvenko - in July 1939 - he was appointed commander of the 315th rifle regiment of the 19th division. Since the beginning of the war, he was in his former position. In July 1941 he was appointed commander of the 19th Infantry Division. those. he was already a regimental commander 2 years before his appointment .. and he was not in the army for several weeks, but since 1924 .. otherwise it turns out that Zhukov is almost a jacket for a division, based on your words ...

[RaccoonSnake]

I would say "the time of the collapse of the USSR Armed Forces."

[rotkiv04]

but almost all the heroes of Russia, led by a reindeer breeder

[filibuster]

Why is the reindeer herder then?) Shoigu is a Tuvan, in Tuva sheep are bred, deer are in the direction of the northern peoples.

[Arkady007]

Compared to Ivanov and Serdyukov, Shoigu is clearly in the pluses, but he clearly falls short of Frunze or Zhukov.

[Chip4ik]

And where are such "famous" order-bearers as Evgenia Vasilyeva now? )))

[zombirusrev]

Why don't you like the Soviet legacy ..
"I have no other writers for you!" //I.V. Stalin //

[dauria]

All of the Sovdep era, the times of the USSR army ....

If the Soviet Those that are now are the careerists who have passed the selection of the 90s "What do you want, Your Excellency? And you are a serf, off your hat, if I say." Varennikov, Grachev, Rokhlin, Lebed and many others were Soviet ... Where are they all?

[MMX]

Something Gerasimov became despondent. He probably thinks that during the exercises the enemy didn’t shoot so hard from the cannons and didn’t have Hamersov ...

[AAK]

It would be better if these old farts-"stars" would explain the situation with the command of the Northern Military District and measures to rectify the situation, but the "faces" are really stupid-soviet, they resemble a special inspection group of the General Staff - the "cemetery" of marshals and generals of the army of the USSR period

[Flooding]

Yesterday or the day before yesterday, one of the commentators wrote that a mobilized acquaintance was sent to the front every other day with little or no preparation.
Interesting continuation of the story.

[mitroha]

Quote: Flood

Yesterday or the day before yesterday, one of the commentators wrote that a mobilized acquaintance was sent to the front every other day with little or no preparation.
Interesting continuation of the story.

Drivers are sent with little or no training. At least three of us, after a few days, they unsubscribed from Rostov. But it is not yet clear that they will be sent to the LBS.
And how many stories go among the people, do not count. One is scarier than the other, word of mouth is what it is.

[Flooding]

Quote: Mitroha

And how many stories go among the people, do not count. One is scarier than the other, word of mouth is what it is.

That is why I am curious.
"wife said they were going to the front tomorrow"

[zombirusrev]

For a wife, that the front is that training ... there is not much difference ..

[Flooding]

Quote: zombirusrev

For a wife, that the front is that training ... there is not much difference ..

of course you catch on the fly
That's why I'd like to read a sequel.
yesterday and the day before yesterday they began to panic "they are sent to the front without preparation"

[Russian jacket]

Well, thanks to our heroes for not condescending from Olympus to talking with the plebs. So this plebs is looking for information itself. And finds.

[dmi.pris1]

The continuation of the story will be soon. General mobilization. There is nowhere to go.

[Flooding]

Quote: dmi.pris

The continuation of the story will be soon. General mobilization. There is nowhere to go.

I'm talking about very specific stories that are written in the comments.
After all, you need to understand where is the truth, where is fiction, and where is disinformation.

[Elephant]

And it would be necessary to transfer the Russian Guard, where there are 340 thousand bayonets, to the Ground Forces of the Moscow Region, where now there are only 290 thousand.

[zloybond]

Definitely - the phrase from the article speaks for itself: it is planned to call in the framework of the current stage ....

[dmi.pris1]

I wrote that a colleague was called up eight days ago. Today to the front. We will keep our fingers crossed for Alexei Udovikov. There is one more nuance. along the street that they made to fuck off. They raised them to their feet from the district to Krasnodar and above. We have a lot of strong men in their fifties, but it was he who was mobilized

[Thrifty]

Maybe the Defense Ministry will explain why right now it is impossible to send 300000 contract soldiers to the front, and not wait for the front to collapse? Who is to blame for the fact that the army "pleases" us with retreats? Is there anyone in our army who is responsible for anything? Why is the Minister of Defense not where the heaviest battles are going on, but a thousand kilometers from the battlefield? How much longer will we "step back"?

[Ivan Ivanov]

Okay, contractors, why can't you ask the allies for help. 8 months was to think / agree.

[RaccoonSnake]

And the Russian Federation joyfully betrayed all its allies and to the applause of the West, so it remained alone.

[Flooding]

Quote: Raccoon

And the Russian Federation joyfully betrayed all its allies and to the applause of the West, so it remained alone.

Poland? GDR?
It seems they did not betray, but favored.
They gave them the freedom and democracy they dreamed of.
Happiness for everyone, for free, and let no one leave offended! ©

That's why they still spit, because they got it easily.

[Vladimir M]

Here the GDR was betrayed without blinking an eye.

[Flooding]

Quote: Vladimir M

Here the GDR was betrayed without blinking an eye.

We need to understand the terminology.
In relation to the loyal leadership, there was no doubt a betrayal.
In relation to the population of these countries, most of which were happy with the end of the "occupation" - hardly.
The East Germans themselves rushed with joy to dismantle the Berlin Wall.
What is there to say about the Poles, Romanians and Czechs.

There has been betrayal.
But not towards them.
First of all - in relation to ourselves, to the conquests of our grandfathers.

[Essex62]

[quote = Breakdown] [quote]
The East Germans themselves rushed with joy to dismantle the Berlin Wall.

What are East Germans? Did they bring down a monument to Iron Felix like ours? Baryzhya scum, speculating. Capitalism really wanted to.

[Flooding]

Quote: Essex62

What are East Germans? Did they bring down a monument to Iron Felix like ours? Baryzhya scum, speculating.

Ask the Germans what.
They are here on VO.

[zombirusrev]

They betrayed the GDR, do not mislead the people .. The FRG repressed all German communists .. "SA take off your pants Rem is coming!" //Erich Honecker 1938//

[Flooding]

Quote: zombirusrev

The GDR was betrayed

already answered above

Quote: zombirusrev

do not mislead people

that you how dare I
I leave you this prerogative

[Ivan Ivanov]

It was possible to negotiate with the DPRK, the Taliban.

[Flooding]

Quote: IvanIvanov

It was possible to negotiate with the DPRK, the Taliban.

The Taliban is an organization banned in the Russian Federation.
Why are they suddenly allies?

[Alf]

Quote: Flood

The Taliban is an organization banned in the Russian Federation.
Why are they suddenly allies?

The Taliban are forbidden, but you can trade with them, and at discounts ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Alf

The Taliban are banned, but you can trade with them, and with discounts

Read about it.
Here is an interesting point.
The parties agree, but the states trade.
Strictly speaking, the talks were with representatives of the Taliban government.
But they will sell to Afghanistan, not to the government.
It looks like a play on words.
But there is something in it.

Or they could fight, as the United States is fighting the Putin regime, cutting off all sales.

[Alf]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Okay, contractors, why can't you ask the allies for help. 8 months was to think / agree.

And list the allies of Russia ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Thrifty

why right now it is impossible to send 300000 contract soldiers to the front

where to get them?

[Adrey]

Quote: Flood

where to get them?

Apparently in the same place as the allies

[Elephant]

In the Russian Guard, you can take 340 thousand, transferring them to the Ministry of Defense

[Is2]

You are right Shoigu is coming to the parades, we will return to Moscow

[Stinging Nettle]

Which of the categories of citizens eligible for a deferment does Peskov's son belong to?

[for]

Quote: Stinging_Nettle

refers to the son of Peskov?

Caring for a sick father.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Stinging_Nettle

Which of the categories of citizens eligible for a deferment does Peskov's son belong to?

In the 20s, a list of the Ministry of Labor flashed by with especially valuable professions that were not subject to mobilization, where, as I remember, there were journalists, and sound engineers, and in general, every creature in pairs. So they will pick up something suitable, like all the other sons.

[Monster_Fat]

Um ... At first, there was an explanation that they say "partial mobilization" is not the mobilization of ages, but the mobilization of only those who had combat experience or experience in the military profession, who served for a long time or were under contract. And now it turns out that they are rowing everyone indiscriminately, who fell under the arm? It turns out they lied again ....

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Monster_Fat

It turns out they lied again ....

You said this with such resentment in your voice, as if you hadn’t gotten used to it in thirty years
Just recently I came across: "Heads and specialists of executive authorities and local self-government, organizations that perform the most significant functions in wartime, can receive a personal deferment from partial mobilization for a year, even if their specialties are not included in the approved list of positions and professions," the report said. in the Telegram channel "Explain.rf."

[Hypertension]

Quote: Monster_Fat

It turns out they lied again ....

"Unexpected", right? "This has never happened - and here it is again." (C)

[spectr]

It's interesting to see if they can work. And then the specialists will be taken away, but these will remain. I came across unconfirmed information that the state allocated some quotas for those not subject to mobilization. And even if you are an IT nickname working at a military-industrial complex enterprise, but if the quota is not enough, then they can call (apparently protection, so that especially smart people do not rush to get a job in such offices, instead of going abroad).

[Shamil88]

I see these faces are already sick of them, the Ministry of Defense does not want to explain what is happening in the Kherson region? If the Khokh..ly take Kakhovka, then Izyum and Kharkov will seem like flowers, there was even ground under their feet to retreat, or rather to drape, but what will the Kherson grouping do? Cross the Dnieper? MO understands what kind of disaster awaits us there? And judging by the messages in the telegram, there are no reserves either ..

[antivirus]

Just as in October 89 Sakharov pushed through the demobilization of students, so since then 33 years the land has been collapsing.
Only rvsn and syas.
Called VKS still pulled up.
It is profitable to turn finances, big loot.
But carp - no.
To work with people is not to reduce debit and credit.
And then 25 years of those grubby ones to lead through life, in reserve.
And so on 300 thousand a year = 8 mulien people

[Virus-free crown]

The post rewrote about the "delay" (in the "land of dreams") and its implementation with us ... but I realized that in less than 5-6 years it's impossible to write commercials ... Therefore, "tactfully keep silent"

[NKT]

In particular, who is subject to conscription and who is entitled to a deferment

There is still no clarity. Each military commissar interprets as he wants.

For example, St. Petersburg's military commissar discovered America.
Education at the military department of the university and military service as well considered to have military experience
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5594487?ysclid=l8ua880d4893293253

Judging by his logic, now everyone who graduates from a university can safely write in his resume that he has work experience in his specialty, since he had an internship in the third and fourth year of the university. Hooray!

[Leonidych]

This is very little. 300000 against 700000 and all NATO assistance. This is only to defend what the Ukrainians will not be able to take in the near future, and they are very serious about it. And what kind of offensive can we talk about. Keep what you have. And this is a fact, minus do not minus, but what is what is. Until our entire army, aviation and navy are involved, it makes no sense to talk about an offensive.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Against NATO, this is not enough, allies must be connected to everyone who is possible, who is ready. They say U..k.r.o.erm..aht is already 30% equipped with "import".

[Comrade I]

Allies? What are these? We have no allies, and not through our fault, but through ours. Who in their right mind would want to be an ally of a country in such a state and with such a policy?
Partners alone. And even on that front line.

[Ivan Ivanov]

North Korea for starters, they recognized our referendum

[Comrade I]

Well no. To be called allies, you need to have a continuous history of some kind of joint action. What happened in the 50s does not count - that country does not exist, the current one is subject to the requirements of the sanctions imposed on the DPRK. Whatever they offer there will have a double bottom.

[mitroha]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Against NATO, this is not enough, allies must be connected to everyone who is possible, who is ready. They say U..k.r.o.erm..aht is already 30% equipped with "import".

I understand, a phrase that has set the teeth on edge, but it is the best suited for answering you:

Russia has only two allies: its army and navy.

From this, I think, it is worth proceeding. In order not to be disappointed at the wrong moment, and not get another "knife in the back"

[Monster_Fat]

Russia has only two allies: its army and navy.

Well ... as it turned out, we have neither an army nor a navy, where they are needed, of the right quality and in the right quantity. Again, as 400 years ago, the "militia" is collected, "drecol" to fight ... The joke of history is that in the Time of Troubles the same characters participated, as they do now - Poles, Ukrainian Cossacks, Lithuanians, mercenaries from different countries. ... Only now, neither Minin nor Pozharsky is on the horizon now ...

[Elephant]

Quote: leonidych

This is very little. 300000 versus 700000 and all NATO assistance

And it must be taken into account that NATO assistance travels quite comfortably across Western Ukraine to the front line, while in our General Staff there are problems with vision and potency!

[Dikson]

And it’s easier, like Timati - he scored more than 50% of his body with tattoos - and that’s it .. They don’t take him into the army. - they say - a psycho .. But psychos cannot have weapons ..

[Alexander X]

But why is it only now that there are some explanations? After all, on common sense, all sorts of scenarios should be worked out in peacetime and comprehensive instructions for them should be developed. And at hour H just tear the envelope and read it. Including on the issues of mobilization. I took the instructions and read through the central channels and all questions will disappear. Yes, he sent it to the military commissariats. And here, either the old people will be called, or those with many children ..
And then they return ... It turns out that nothing was done. Now it's faster, faster...

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Alexander X

But why is it only now that there are some explanations? After all, on common sense, all sorts of scenarios should be worked out in peacetime and comprehensive instructions for them should be developed. And at hour H just tear the envelope and read it. Including on the issues of mobilization. I took the instructions and read through the central channels and all questions will disappear. Yes, he sent it to the military commissariats. And here, either the old people will be called, or those with many children ..
And then they return ... It turns out that nothing was done. Now it's faster, faster...

Why hasn't Roskomnadzor put this film on the list of extremist films yet?!

[mitroha]

Quote: Alexander X

It turns out nothing has been done. And now everything is faster, faster ..

So military registration and enlistment offices have been buried since the time when civilians were recruited there, and the military were fired. We have 4 people in the military registration and enlistment offices for the entire rather big region of the military, the rest are civilians. They don't know a damn thing.
I am even afraid if we now raise the topic of civil defense and readiness for a nuclear strike. That's where the terrible horror will be

[Ivan Ivanov]

15.00 - Lobaev's original message about an unprecedented inspection (Vlad himself explained that the enterprise was completely paralyzed and lawlessness was going on)
In an hour, the authors of Telegram raise a wave of indignation.
16.30 - the check was stopped after instructions from above, the duty officer said that all these were planned activities.
Well, planned so planned. We hope that no one else will interfere with repairing.

Planned? Wow. It is worth finding out who initiated it. It pulls on the corner

[Adrey]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Planned? Wow. It is worth finding out who initiated it. It pulls on the corner

You still do not understand that everything is going according to plan?

[Bully]

Does anyone know if the 500s were returned?

[RaccoonSnake]

I'm scared to imagine what the picture will be when the mobilizers are thrown into battle. And from training, and from equipment, and from the level of command.

[DenVB]

Quote: Raccoon

what picture will be when the mobilizers are thrown into battle.

Yes, forebodings are the most disturbing.

[Skipper]

The Ministry of Defense is OBLIGED to give explanations about the merging of territories and the mass retreat on all fronts. Everything collapsed in the Kherson region. A complete retreat .... and these degenerates give explanations for some kind of delay.

[fa2998]

"In a short time to bring to the military commissars .." And before the mobilization they did not know that they would row anyone. They have been mobilizing for 2 weeks - they have given birth!

[Fisher]

Our teacher used to say: "The right question contains half of the answer." If the leader cannot correctly, clearly set the task and control its execution, then this is not a leader. Unfortunately, we have what we have, and until adequate advances are made in the field, nothing will change.

[dauria]

If the manager cannot correctly, clearly set the task and control its implementation,

The main thing is forgotten. The leader must clearly represent the qualifications of subordinates, the availability of materials and the reality of deadlines. And then formulate and check.
Only for this you need to crawl the steps from below to the place where you command. And not like now "the Academy of Leaders under the President for talented court kids"

[Gorygor]

Finally solved the situation with the fathers of children with disabilities

[mitroha]

Quote from Fisher

and until adequate positions are put forward, nothing will change.

In order for adequate ones to come forward, they had to be prepared. And you won’t go far on nuggets, you still need to find them

[Nastia makarova]

where is the list of accredited companies?

[Maxim Kosarev]

People simply do not know their rights and are in no hurry to find out, hence the panic. If there is a right to a delay, then it must be sought, no matter what they say in the commissariat.

[Paul Siebert]

In the meantime, General Andrei Gurulev wonders where one and a half million sets of military uniforms for conscripts have gone...

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

And if the mobilized wants to change gender - to become a woman?

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers

And if the mobilized wants to change gender - to become a woman?

In the army, they can do this for free, just contact your colleagues.

[Olddetractor]

The Ministry of Defense gave exhaustive explanations on this issue, and instructed the General Staff to bring the relevant information to representatives of the military commissariats as soon as possible, as reported in the TG channel of the department

The categories of citizens of the Russian Federation who are granted the right to deferment and the procedure for granting it are determined by the Government of the Russian Federation (see clause 9 of Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 21.09.2022, 647 No. XNUMX "On the announcement of partial mobilization in the Russian Federation"), and not by the Ministry of Defense

[ASM]

Who is Shoigu to listen to him? There is a Minister of Defense, whose decrees are subject to execution if they do not contradict the Constitution and the Federal Law. No questions. But the decrees must be formalized accordingly. And the verbal diarrhea of ​​a certain citizen can be safely sent to the cesspool.

[Sedoy]

explained the delay

"That's how it was originally intended.
As programmers say, this is not a "bug", but a "feature".
Because the presidential decree does not say anything about who exactly should be called. And since nothing is said about this, then the performers must be guided by the law. The law says that mobilization is carried out from the reserve, in which absolutely everyone is. The presidential decree says nothing about the discharge of the mobilized. That is, the maximum age of those mobilized by nothing and no one is limited. And since nothing is said about this, then the performers can act at their discretion. Here the military registration and enlistment offices are rowing everyone.
Everything is in accordance with the letter and spirit of the presidential decree on mobilization, military registration and enlistment offices can and should call on absolutely all men.
Which they began to do as soon as they received this decree. The mobilization is partial in name only. Because that's what the president called it. In fact, it is universal. And the word "partial" was inserted into the decree to cover up, to avert eyes, to reassure the public, to conceal the true state of affairs.
In fact, all military registration and enlistment offices strictly and rigorously complied with all the requirements of presidential decree No. 647 on mobilization. In full compliance with Russian legislation. Not deviating from him even a millimeter.
Paragraph two of the presidential decree "On the announcement of partial mobilization in the Russian Federation" says: "Conscript citizens of the Russian Federation for military service for mobilization into the armed forces of the Russian Federation."
Part XNUMX of Article XNUMX of the Law "On Mobilization" states: "Citizens who are in the reserve and who do not have the right to deferment from military service for mobilization are subject to conscription for military service."
Article XNUMX of the Law "On military duty and military service" says who exactly is in the reserve:
"The reserve of the armed forces is created from among the citizens:
- Dismissed from military service with enrollment in the reserve;
- successfully completed training in military educational organizations of higher education in the military training programs for sergeants, reserve foremen or military training programs for soldiers, reserve sailors and graduated from federal state educational organizations of higher education;
- successfully completed training in military training centers at federal state educational organizations of higher education in military training programs for reserve officers, military training programs for sergeants, reserve foremen or military training programs for soldiers, reserve sailors and graduates of these educational organizations;
- those who have not completed military service due to exemption from conscription for military service;
- those who have not completed military service in connection with the granting of deferrals from conscription for military service or the cancellation by the conscription commission of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation of the decision of a lower conscription commission upon reaching the age of 27 years;
- not subject to conscription for military service upon reaching the age of 27 years;
- those who have not completed military service by conscription, without having legal grounds for this, in accordance with the conclusion of the conscription commission upon reaching the age of 27 years;
- dismissed from military service without military registration and subsequently put on military registration in military commissariats;
- completed alternative civilian service;
- female, having a military registration specialty" [kts].
Article fifty-third of the law "On military duty and military service" states that all citizens in the reserve are divided into three categories, and the maximum age for each category is indicated. It is in this article that it is said that soldiers who are in the reserve in the first category can be mobilized only if they are not older than 35 years.
Results: if we sum up all the provisions of the Russian laws cited above, then the presidential decree on mobilization allows you to take absolutely all men, as well as women with a military specialty." ©

[dauria]

Results: if we sum up all the provisions of the Russian laws cited above,

That will turn out to be primordially Russian "The law is what the drawbar ..."

[Zadok]

friend, 50 years old, ml. Sergeant, a summons was stuck in the door today. advised the cats to put in the tray. the signature of the military commissar (the last name is the same) is made in a typographical way. in the scrap.

[ZoV]

more than 200 people have already arrived during the mobilization activities.

200-300 thousand fled to Kazakhstan, etc. ! Maybe for the better .. The main thing is that later they don’t run back shouting “we won”, etc.
And so the people understand in general what is happening now and how it all threatens Russia

[iouris]

War on loan. Mobilization in installments at very high interest rates. You will have to pay by yourself.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

But I wonder what kind of delay from mobilization our economy has?
Where the hell is the increase in the production of combat aircraft, helicopters, electronic warfare, air defense, communications and other things that will qualitatively strengthen the army?

[Anyuta Glorious]

200 thousand mobilized arrived? And how many people left the country? Yesterday, today I see a large number of Russians on my street. Yesterday I helped a man call a taxi. They don’t trust the command, which has “everything according to plan”, and now it suddenly turns out that Russian cities are being handed over, there is a shortage at the forefront, military registration and enlistment offices are grabbing everyone in a row, organizational work is being carried out in a mess.