Elon Musk offered his version of ending the armed conflict in Ukraine

The publication of the American engineer, investor and billionaire Elon Musk is actively discussed on the network. According to him, he offers a compromise option for ending the armed conflict in Ukraine.

According to Musk, in order for the hostilities to end, several conditions are necessary. The first condition voiced by one of the richest people in the world is the need to recognize Crimea as Russian.

Mask:

The Ukrainian side must ensure the water supply of the Crimean peninsula, and also secure a non-bloc status with neutrality.

Crimea itself, as Musk writes, must finally become part of Russia, as it was from 1783 until Khrushchev's mistake.

Another condition for ending the armed conflict in Ukraine, according to Musk, is the “holding of repeated referendums” in the former Ukrainian territories (LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions) - referendums under the auspices of the UN.

According to Elon Musk, “if the people of these territories do not support joining Russia during the voting, then Russian troops will have to leave these territories.”

At the same time, Musk does not write anything about the fact that Ukrainian troops should leave these territories in case of confirmation of the unwillingness of the local population to remain part of Ukraine (which, after the September referendum, there is and cannot be any doubt).
Officials of any of the countries of the proposal of the American billionaire have not yet commented. There is hardly any doubt that the Kyiv regime will be the first to reject these proposals.

Musk attached a poll to his social media post. The majority of those who voted were in favor of his proposal (at 21:00 Moscow time on October 3).

Comments

[Senior seaman]

According to Musk, in order for the hostilities to end, several conditions are necessary. The first condition voiced by one of the richest people in the world is the need to recognize Crimea as Russian.

Late...

[ZoV]

Quote: Senior Sailor

Late..

It's getting late, it's getting too serious.
And in the course of Ukraine, as such, there is no longer one name and NATO mercenaries .. Russia reacts accordingly.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from ZOV

It's getting late, it's getting too serious.
And along the way, Ukraine is no longer there as such

Washington will decide - the war will end tomorrow.
But he won't decide. Doesn't want to. And I. Musk is not Washington. And Washington wants it - Musk will retrain tomorrow from billionaires to "a seamstress-mechanic for sewing work gloves."

[Evil 55]

And he could offer to introduce an impenetrable zone on his satellites in the region of Ukraine, so that they would not be additionally used by intelligence agencies of NATO countries .. That would really be a step towards peace.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Angry 55

And he could offer to introduce an obscure zone on his satellites in the region of Ukraine

The next step is not to track Russia with satellites? You, Eugene, offer America something that will never be from the word "impossible." What is it like? Don't follow? And who then is the "world gendarme", if you do not follow? For everyone, always, and as far as they can.

Further rude and terribly obscene (30 years of philological practice at a construction site) - so that even in the assembly booth I would have been reprimanded. And VO will ban me and my descendants for three generations ahead.

[gsev]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And Washington wants it - Musk will retrain tomorrow from billionaires to "a seamstress-mechanic for sewing work gloves."

Musk and his team, including Russian and Chinese engineers, ensured the defense of the Ukrainian state and ousted Russia from the space launch market. Politicians from Washington have done too many stupid things over the past 2 decades. The movement of Islamic exceptionalism in the form of Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Syrian opposition has been nurtured, the barbarization of states in North Africa and the Middle East has begun, China and Russia have been driven into the need to create a military-economic union. In Eastern Europe, a life-and-death war began between Russia and the Western world, the campaign in Afghanistan was lost, and this country moved into the zone of the Chinese and Iranian economic space. There are rival groups within the US elite. And Musk can easily and quickly move to the Republican team and even become their presidential candidate in 2 years in the event of an aggravation of the conflict with the pro-Ukrainian hawks from the Democrats. In principle, Russophobes like McFaul have so far only dragged the US into a new cold war with Russia. And the result of this confrontation is more likely to be the first thermonuclear war than taking control of Russia's resources, as was the case under Yeltsin ..

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: gsev

Musk can easily and quickly move to the Republican team and even become their presidential candidate in 2 years if the conflict with the pro-Ukrainian hawks from the Democrats escalates.

What do you think Vladimir? Musk is "our president" or not?
I remember the euphoria about the Negro, I remember the joy about Trump ...
THERE IS NO AND WILL NOT BE A PRESIDENT IN AMERICA FRIENDLY TO RUSSIA. And let those who consider the United States "partners" wash their faces.
They are enemies. There is no other term.

And Musk will impose sanctions. Cooler than others. Space was not particularly touched - and here we are competitors to it.
Nord Stream has shown that there are no barriers to competition for the United States.

See O'Henry - "Four Million" collection. Everything has been written...

[gsev]

Quote: Zoldat_A

What do you think Vladimir? Musk is "our president" or not?

Musk is a respected manager, engineer and public figure in the US and around the world. It will never fall under the administration of the United States, let alone Russia. The man has his own opinion. For sure, he proposed an acceptable scenario for the United States for the development of the Ukrainian crisis. I cannot judge how acceptable this option is for Russia. In the DPR and LPR, the majority is in favor of joining the Russian Federation. In the territory occupied by Ukraine, propaganda is capable of making me and you think in a month and not whether we should start a war with ourselves. At least a relative of a friend who came to Moscow was sure that people were dying of hunger in Moscow, and Pyaterochka, where she went with her relative, was not a store for the poor, but a food exhibition that Putin specially organized to promote it.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: gsev

Musk is a respected manager, engineer and public figure in the US and around the world. It will never fall under the administration of the United States, let alone Russia. The man has his own opinion.

"Money loves silence" - I didn't say it. Therefore, Musk can be understood - for business (normal business, not business on weapons, on murder) stability is needed. Therefore, "let's stop everything and live as it is now" is quite understandable.
Only he does not understand our situation. We can't stop now. Either win or die. The choice for us is simple.

Quote: gsev

a relative of a friend who came to Moscow was sure that people were dying of hunger in Moscow, and Pyaterochka, where she went with her relative, was not a store for the poor, but a food exhibition that Putin specially organized to promote it.

+ 1000!!!

I, according to my financial capabilities, could afford to organize meals for my family with three meals a day from a good restaurant. But, unfortunately, I love to cook. And my mother loves, and my wife. That's why I stop by Pyaterka on my way home from work, and go to Auchan, and go to the mini-market near our cottage village. Well, I don’t trust restaurant buyers - I like to choose meat on the market myself, try it. It is impossible to deceive the taste of raw meat - I will try a piece and tell you when it last mooed or grunted. For the last five years I have loved to mess around with dough, I make pasties such that the family then follows me for a week, asking me to cook more.
And what kind of barley pilaf do I make ... My friends, like many who overate barley in the army and have hated "shot 16" since then, ask for supplements twice.

I don't understand bad words "shop for the poor". There are high quality and low quality products. Whether it's for the poor or not, I don't give a damn.
Good rice is available for 100 rubles per kilogram. For those who show off more than life, they can buy for 450. I will not dissuade.

But the "food show" is five!!!

[gsev]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I, according to my financial capabilities, could afford to organize meals

The niece to whom the aunt came and whom she brought to Pyaterochka firmly holds the second place in the sale of batteries, mice, flash drives, headphones, speakers, flashlights and other small things on the Mitinsky market. The first place belongs to the supplier company in the company like Auchan. She was tempted to tell her aunt that "If I wanted to bring you to the exhibition, I would bring you to the ABC of Taste." But she thought that then the aunt would be offended even more.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: gsev

And the result of this confrontation is more likely to be the first thermonuclear war than taking control of Russia's resources, as was the case under Yeltsin ..

Terribly, sadly, but for us and America, apparently, there is no other way, according to America. Only mutual destruction.

A generation of generals grew up there, brought up on the victories of the Air Force over countries that do not have sensible air defense.
And what about us? Against "Sarmatians" In 10 megatons? Kirdyk to everyone. Only we will die for the Motherland, and they will die for their dollar.

I was ready for the Motherland more than thirty years ago, and I am ready now. And my family is ready for the Motherland - my son proves it in Ukraine.
And they? For Ukraine to ruin America?
I do not think - tsikanut, as usual.

[Benjamin 48]

I fully support!
It is unlikely that the Americans will agree to die for Ukraine.
And it would be nice to bomb several cities in "Deep America". They live for hundreds of years without knowing what war is. Not somewhere else, but with them!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Benjamin 48

They live for hundreds of years without knowing what war is. Not somewhere else, but with them!

World War II once came to the United States. Kiska Island, Aleutian Islands. Read - you will laugh at "American heroism"! Ugandoshi their soldiers, their ships for the sake of capturing an empty island with fifteen dogs abandoned by the Japanese! It's fabulous!
And until the end of the war, they kept a contingent of 100000 (!) On the island, fearing its re-capture by the Japanese.

One quote to make everything clear to you in advance. How the Americans dropped leaflets from a plane calling on the Japanese to surrender

"We threw down 100 flyers, but unfortunately the dogs on the island couldn't read."

[Bayun]

Perhaps it will be so in agreement with the "partners". New York and Washington - sleep and see how to soak their average states ...

[Dilettante grandfather]

Washington will decide - the war will end tomorrow.

Maybe. But we will not agree to their conditions, and they will not agree to surrender. So I don't think so. that the war is over.

[ZoV]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Washington will decide - the war will end tomorrow.

One call to Kyiv and everything will collapse .. And they will run in different directions.

Quote: Zoldat_A

And Washington wants it - Musk will retrain tomorrow from billionaires to "a seamstress-mechanic for sewing work gloves."

And you are right, he will be quickly bankrupted and generally hounded.

[Prometey]

Quote from ZOV

And along the way, Ukraine is no longer there as such

Indeed, there is no former. A new one is being built - an aggressive and militarized Ukraine, which will soon feast on Russian territories directly. On the whole, the conflict between Russia and Ukraine resembles the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-1871, in which the role of the defeated France is already prepared for Russia.

[Fisherman]

Just in time...these tweets by Musk are not in support of Russia or a real peace settlement, but seizing the initiative from Trump, who was going to do the same...just a political overtake at the turn of the competition. And even the loss of almost 9% of Tesla's capitalization in half an hour due to this tweet is not critical, tomorrow they will catch up back, at the same time they will earn on suckers who sold shares at a cheap price. Even Zelya pecked and asked Mask in whose support he farted - Russia or Ukraine ... if I were Mask, I would answer "in support of WORLD" - and Mask would score points.

[Myths]

Musk is a US defense project, all his "initiatives" are initially false, as is the program of "peaceful" Internet satellites. But Musk does not want to hold a referendum in Catalonia or the former Yugoslavia, and what does it have to do with the entire territory?!

[Garik Gorkin]

I hope Russia still starts shooting down Western satellites through which they monitor us.

[Garik Gorkin]

1. Without these satellites, NATO will go blind and become less scary.
2. NATO itself does not want to fight with Russia, after they realized that Putin is not bluffing about nuclear weapons. Otherwise, they would have accepted Ukraine into NATO long ago.
While NATO satellites are watching us, it will be very difficult for ours to fight. As it was written here today, very dangerous M30A1 227-mm caliber guided missiles, made using LEO (Lethality Enhanced Ordnance) technology, were delivered to Ukraine to “grind infantry into minced meat” within a radius of 120 meters. The range of the missile is 15-84 kilometers. When you read this, thoughts come into your head that it is time to take drastic measures - the use of tactical nuclear weapons, shooting down satellites.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Downed satellites are already a natural war with NATO

And now, excuse me, what is going on, not a war with NATO? They don't send IED weapons, they don't send instructors, they don't send mercenaries, they don't pass on intelligence?
The fact that so far this is not an open confrontation between the two armies does not mean anything. The war with NATO has been going on for a long time.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Downed satellites are already a natural war with NATO

And now, excuse me, what is going on, not a war with NATO? .

By blowing up the Nord Stream, America has thrown open the Overton window.
Now everything is possible. Satellites, cables, gas pipelines - you can bring down everything. Unless you behave like in 1945, keep silent.
But then the situation was different, we did not have an adequate response to the atomic bomb. And now there is. Moreover, there is, as Putin said, "an adequate response to inadequate actions." Only we would be embarrassed to stop and stop hoping to persuade the unbridled hooligan, who does not see the edges of his impudence.

[Sergej1972]

Where in the former Yugoslavia? I would spend in the Republika Srpska as part of Bosnia and Herzegovina. If the population is in favor, why shouldn't this region join Serbia? And the Croatian part of BiH could also be granted the right to reunite with Croatia. But as for Kosovo, with all due respect to the Serb brothers, this is a cut off chunk for them. Maybe, with the exception of 10-15% of the territory, where the Serbian population prevails. If a referendum is held in Kosovo, then there is no doubt that the predominantly Albanian population in the region will vote against reunification with Serbia. I think that for Serbia, the Republika Srpska, which is more than twice as large as Kosovo and populated mainly by Serbs, would be a good compensation for the loss of an autonomous region.

[Myths]

This is me in general, that there are many places where you can hold a referendum.
They blasted the gas pipeline, did not confess, the war did not start. Satellites are just as possible, although expensive.

[Bayun]

If I buy the REDUCED shares of my company - this is my cunning plan;)

[kig]

Quote: Fisherman

And even the loss of Tesla's capitalization in half an hour is almost 9% because of this tweet

Everyone repeats this as one, but meanwhile, Musk, one might say, did not notice this. October share price chart - famous tweet posted on the 3rd.

A more noticeable decline occurred on October 1, and on the 3rd so, slight fluctuations. Which, by the way, fluctuated both up and down. And the most significant decline occurred in April, when Musk went wrong with the purchase of Twitter.

[Silhouette]

It took Musk eight years to understand why Crimea should be Russian. If he still reads smart books, he will understand about the Donbass. So after 10 years. And there, you see, he will understand about the whole of Novorossia. It will take another 10 years. Such is their education.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Silhouette

It took Musk eight years to understand why Crimea should be Russian. If he still reads smart books, he will understand about the Donbass.

What is there to understand? Let him read - when, why and how Crimea and Donbass became "Ukrainian". And it will become clear to him (perhaps, as you said, in 10 years) that they and the artificial formation called "Ukraine" have nothing in common.

[gsev]

Quote: Silhouette

It took Musk eight years to understand why Crimea should be Russian.

These 8 years, Musk was preoccupied with the victory over Roskosmos and Rogozin. Rogozin did not mock Musk for nothing by launching his famous jokes about trampolines. He had a successful, working sample of a launch vehicle that Musk didn't have. Now Musk can be distracted by extraneous things like international politics. The American establishment should think about who to trust Musk, who outright beat the Russians in the race for leadership in space, or Biden, who outright lost the war in Afghanistan to the Taliban.

[Plate]

Musk suggested. He's a business specialist, isn't he? Strictly speaking, what weight do his proposals carry? No, I do not deny his right to offer something: I do it myself. But to write about this in the same tone as about the statements of current politicians and generals?
However, it will be funny to see how maskophiles will comment on this. They are "for progress", and then suddenly their idol offered to make concessions to the barbarian country.

[forty-eighth]

There he has normal dialogues in the comments))) Even Melnik noted

[Serge Petroff_2]

Don't you think that this War is one big BUSINESS?

[Plate]

All wars are business. So no, it doesn't seem to. Absolutely sure of it.

[grandfather erofei]

True! Business on blood, grief and suffering! The exhaust is primarily from the circulation of weapons, oil, medicines, uniforms, food, etc. Unfortunately...

[Bayun]

so far no one has smashed the GTS of the country-U to hell. Your rightness is self-evident.

[Al manah]

It is quite possible that this is the future president of the United States.

[kenig1]

The weight is large, it is a product of the military-industrial complex and the US intelligence services.

[MstislavHrabr]

Musk is afraid we're going to miss his satellites. So the peacemaker is writhing.

[certero]

This shows that Musk is indeed an intelligent person.

[smart ass]

Well, what a good offer, at least stop the meat grinder

[Adrey]

Quote: Clever man

Well, what a good offer, at least stop the meat grinder

The proposals are reasonable and by and large lying on the surface. But it's really too late... The parties concerned (and this is not only, and perhaps not so much Ukraine and I) have gone too far... Too many victims and bloodshed. It is extremely difficult to stop the process and bring it into a reasonable framework, but most likely it is already impossible.

[SerAp]

I don't think it's too late. It's never too late.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Clever man

Well, what a good offer, at least stop the meat grinder

Russia without the Mask has enough strength and means to stop the meat grinder and finish it Brownian Biden movement for the freedom of the remaining Ukraine.
This requires an iron will, a real mobilization of the Russian economy and the destruction of Ukrainian ... statehood, including ...
So let the most common gathering remain without power ... To do this, you just need to destroy state structures in Ukraine ...
All administrative buildings. Let the Ukrainian authorities crawl underground like worms...

[smart ass]

Another six months of such fights and you will have to agree to any offer

[falx]

Under no circumstances should referendums be repeated!!!
thereby creating a precedent that a referendum means nothing if it is not held under some "auspices"!
referendums have taken place! dot!
in the end, this is by no means done for the sake of recognition by some "partners". don't care about them!

[Incvizitor]

Once they "stopped" the meat grinder in Chechnya, concluded a truce with the terrorists, the result was lousy.
It's like trying to be friends with rabid dogs.

[Kiril Letov]

I also think his suggestion makes sense.

[Plate]

Yes, they write that his Starlin is actively used by Ukrainians. Here, probably, he planned to sell the Internet to the Chinese, blacks and Brazilians, and then they told Ukraine to hand over the group, and she littered everything: "Moskals", "On the Gilyak", "Skacha", "Come, put things in order" ... As a result and a person does not receive money for his work, so he also has to rake

[ZoV]

Quote: certero

This shows that Musk is indeed an intelligent person.

If he had said this earlier, but here he is an enemy with his communication satellites for the ukrovermacht .. They give out communications for free and the Azov people still boasted .. So Elon, no need to cry now
Too late !

[KVIRTU]

Recently, Poles bought 5 kits for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
How many through other countries, hardly anyone will calculate.
Those. terminal up to com. branches; closed communication, navigation, target designation, etc.

[Reptiloid1977]

Quite reasonable proposals, if the locals voted for Russia, then there is nothing to be afraid of in a second referendum. But neutral status and Crimea will remain in

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Yanukovych thought so too when he was forced to go to the third round of elections.
But the problem is that he went to the third round under powerful propaganda with accusations of falsification and so on. The falsification was not confirmed later, and no one was punished accordingly. But who really cared? The opposition rode the wave and procrastinated on the topic for a long time, as a result, it went on the rise to the next round, and the incumbent president lost his votes.
The incompetent Yushchenko became president, during his reign he became so disgusted with voters that he lost the next election to Yanukovych, and lost with a bang, updating the anti-record of unpopularity.
It would seem that everything. victory and justice. But poor Yanukovych was once again prevented from resigning in due course. Again they gathered a Maidan, people don’t learn anything, and the opposition again overthrew the legitimate president. Moreover, he had to leave after a short time.
What all this says is that the opposite side is COMPLETELY incapable of negotiating.
A new referendum means calling into question the result of the previous one.
And this is no joke.

[Prjanik]

It remains tomorrow's approval in the Federation Council and that's it, the train has left, it's too late to drink Borjomi)

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Reptiloid1977

Quite reasonable proposals, if the locals voted for Russia, then there is nothing to be afraid of in a second referendum.

No repeats.
Let him propose referendums in the following, adjacent areas.
Odessa, Sumy, Kharkov and others.
This is where you can support him.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Quite reasonable proposals, if the locals voted for Russia, then there is nothing to be afraid of in a second referendum.

Of course nothing. In addition to fraud by the "observers" of the UN.

But neutral status and Crimea will remain in

Crimea is already ours. And LDNR, Kherson, Zaporozhye. And the neutral status of Ukraine, headed by Ze and his gang, is a fiction.

[hector]

The Ukrainian side must ensure the water supply of the Crimean peninsula.

Here he is far behind the times.

[Million]

Offers are good, but late.

[Arkady007]

Strange, but Ilon knows whose Crimea. Why doesn't Biden know the EU too?
But in general, a very balanced opinion and I think it will roll around the world.

[AVA77]

Even if it rolls, it's already too late, the locomotive has left, only smoke spreads.
And the can of knowledge is not for the future, he talks with the spirits.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Arkady007

But in general, a very balanced opinion and I think it will roll around the world.

Let it roll .. to the stars!

[Bolt cutter]

the Kyiv regime will be the first to reject these proposals.

Andriy Melnyk (ex-Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany) has already sworn Musk on Twitter (in English ). They will also add to the peacemaker .

[In passing]

I wonder which project will last longer, Musk or Ukraine?

[mvnmln]

I want to ask Elon Musk: In which country of the world were repeated referendums held?

[YanniKounnar]

En France, en Islande, en Ireland
Et en France (comme aux Pays Bas) lorsque le résultat ne plaît pas (le NON) le gouvernement passe outre...

France, Iceland, Ireland
And in France (as in the Netherlands), when you don't like the result (no), the government ignores it...

[Incvizitor]

It is better to ask if a referendum was held when this land was cut off from Russia? And how much of her separation is generally then legal?

[Arkady007]

The referendum was held, but it was also not noticed.

[Gvardeetz77]

At the very least, he can be respected for the fact that, before the proposal for Crimea, he studied the history of the Russian state ...
But his words from a year ago would have been very relevant.
And now, Mr. Elon, it would be better to take all your communications back ...

[fetus]

Elon Musk is certainly a smart person .. but here is another case. I don't think he understands this
-. We are talking about our land.

[janeck]

he has other criteria for understanding what is happening in Ukraine.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Another condition for ending the armed conflict in Ukraine, according to Musk, is the “holding of repeated referendums” in the former Ukrainian territories (LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions) - referendums under the auspices of the UN.

No one prevented the UN representatives from being observers at the referendum.

[cniza]

Musk attached a poll to his social media post. The majority of those who voted were in favor of his proposal (at 21:00 Moscow time on October 3).

Where did they say that?

[Viktor29]

They spoke on his Twitter, at first it was 53:47 in half an hour, Shariy became 67:32, the numbers are changing.

[jovanni]

Mr. Musk, isn't it with your help that Bandera keep in touch, receive intelligence, kill people with rockets and artillery? So the first condition is to block all this information. And then suggestions...

[Zadok]

well, make a complaint to Kalashnikov, Makarov, Dragunov ...

[mitroha]

Quote: Sadok

well, make a complaint to Kalashnikov, Makarov, Dragunov ...

You are somewhat confusing people who produce weapons initially, and do not hide it, and a person who produces and promotes supposedly civilian satellites, but provides them for military operations. And this is a completely different calico. And then you don’t have to blow into everyone’s ears about the peaceful “Internet for all people” program

[Zadok]

The "Internet" has never been peaceful (see ARPA). "Saiga" is quite a peaceful hunting weapon, for nothing that "Kalash".

[mitroha]

Quote: Sadok

The Internet has never been peaceful (see ARPA)

I don’t need to watch this, it all started with me, I’m talking about how starlink is presented and positioned for everyone.
PS And about the saiga .... peaceful firearms? Funny.

[Dmitry Rigov]

Initially, these are generally civilian terminals, their Armed Forces are also used like Chinese drones, the question is why the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation cannot tritely detect these stations so that there are arrivals from them. And why do we not have a similar connection, for example, when the army runs around with baofengs, this is some kind of shame.

[Andriuha077]

trite to pinpoint these stations

Maybe, but it's like decision bridges

Up from the user terminal to the satellite 14,0 - 14,5 GHz
All about the project "Satellite Internet". New StarLink UT-2 terminal. 2021
TsN 1. Radio engineering GSM-intelligence
TsN 4. Direction finder of the position of operating radars and radio stations
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Орлан-10#Целевые_нагрузки_Орлан-10

Musk knows about it.
Month of March:
"Please use Starlink with care"
Elon Musk posted on his Twitter page
Important warning: Starlink is the only non-Russian communications system still operating in parts of Ukraine, so it is highly likely to be targeted. Please use Starlink with care.
Ilon Mask
Elon Musk was asked to clarify what exactly he meant and what it means to "use with care." To which the billionaire replied the following: “Turn on Starlink only when necessary and place the antenna as far away from people as possible.”

[Kurganets-45]

he is kind of like an iron man, I sell to everyone, and then I worry about ending the war.

[Egor53]

A semi-literate African and a successful crook.
Ukraine cannot provide Crimea with water, as it is already being done from the Kherson region, which is a region of Russia. Let him better talk about how Biden can be cured of senile insanity.

[Viktor29]

Merkel seems to have already proposed a 2nd referendum in Crimea, but we rejected it, saying that we would not hold it for the 2nd time.
Here, what Musk added on neutrality and water, from the new about water, can only be counted as his proposal.

[sergo1914]

Proposal norm. Stop the meat grinder under these conditions. Troops on the line of demarcation along the borders of regions and republics. And then let the diplomats work.

[Entropy]

And then let the diplomats work.

diplomats with ultimatums from both sides will certainly agree

[AlexTires]

And let the Gestapo slowly genocide people further ... And in five years Rostov will also be acquired ... An excellent plan, but I defend ...

[Plate]

I'm not replying to your entire comment, but sorry, this is:

Quote from caruso

We are no strangers to the Brest Peace, the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact, Khasavyurt.

It sounds as if there were only such worlds in our history. Kind of insulting, you know.
Yes, and where does the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is unclear. As a result, the USSR acquired a lot of territory.

[poquello]

Quote: sergo1914

Proposal norm. Stop the meat grinder under these conditions. Troops on the line of demarcation along the borders of regions and republics. And then let the diplomats work.

why are you in such a hurry? our not all Romanians have yet been killed

[Sergej1972]

And what about the Romanians? Or did you remember the fake phrase attributed to Margelov? Margelov, by the way, was one of the few representatives of the Soviet military command in the 60-70s, who communicated well with the Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu.

[poquello]

Quote: Sergej1972

And what about the Romanians?

Romanians at the front, there are not enough Poles - they began to get Romanians

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: sergo1914

Proposal norm. Stop the meat grinder under these conditions. Troops on the line of demarcation along the borders of regions and republics. And then let the diplomats work.

Diplomats have already worked so hard that only swearing at them with comments.
"The stuffing cannot be turned back!"

[AlexG83]

If you hadn't turned on your satellites, it would have already ended.

[Adrey]

Elon, it's easier to breed some people to different planets than to stop THIS with reasonable methods

[opuonmed]

let the United States advise to stop pumping ukrrr with weapons and give money)

[TatarinSSSR]

How suspicious. Doesn't look like a mask. Maybe hacked?

[AlexTires]

There is a sounding of the political ground for a truce ..

[Plate]

Well, why probe the Western public, in your opinion?

[AlexTires]

Are you sure that the Western and that the ordinary public?

[Plate]

I think if they wanted to probe the Russian one, they would write something like that in Russian. If Chinese, then in Chinese.

[Serge Petroff_2]

But don’t you think that this War is one big such BUSINESS?

[Alexy]

Perhaps Musk did not voice his opinion.

[AlexTires]

Most likely that part of the capital that is still counting profits but seeing losses just around the corner .. + political order from the Republicans

[TatarinSSSR]

Yes, most likely they are preparing the ground for a Republican victory and throwing firewood into the future saving of profits.

[falx]

The great Mao taught us that the thesis can be true, but if it is premature, then it is wrong!
and in this case the thesis is belated! therefore also incorrect!!

Where was Musk eight years ago?

[Boniface]

Beautiful! It is necessary to offer Mask in the Crimea to make a launch pad for StarShip))), maybe ours will learn something

[AlexTires]

And also put up a guidance station for American ballistic missiles ... Under American occupation, we will learn even faster ...

[Viktor fm]

After the words about the Crimea. Musk said after the attack of Ukrainian bots that he would name his next son Pid,,rasX99

[IT Analyst]

Let her grandmother go and advise!
Late! Kyiv will forever remain a terrorist state.

[Crisp]

Quote: certero

This shows that Musk is indeed an intelligent person.

This shows that he considers everyone else to be suckers. Offend all those participating in the referendum by offering to re-vote. Under the supervision of the wolves from the UN, who announced in ADVANCE that they would not recognize the results of the referendum. Don't you understand that this is an attempt to undo what has been done? Then you are complete...

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Crispy

This shows that he considers everyone else to be suckers. Offend all those participating in the referendum by offering to re-vote. Under the supervision of the wolves from the UN, who announced in ADVANCE that they would not recognize the results of the referendum.

It doesn't matter. The bottom line here is that the person proposed a conciliatory option, moreover, this proposal contains a very important message: it recognizes the right of people to vote. And recognizes Russia's right to the Crimea.
And don’t care that everything is known in advance from the UN side ... most importantly, Musk said what made the whole Caudle squeal in unison, raging and spitting poison.

[bandabas]

I learned that the Ukronats had removed the memorial plaque to General D.M. Karbyshev. Let Musk with Zelensky, Biden and other "liver sausages" burn in ...

[Benjamin 48]

Something Musk thought for a long time.
With water in the Crimea decided, everything else too-too late!
I wonder where he conducted the poll?

[Drotro]

He is from an unfriendly country, and takes an unfriendly position.
With the help of his equipment, many Russian guys and pro-Russian Ukrainians were destroyed.
And there are many such people in the world. Which contribute to the death of ours.

At first glance, the proposal seems to be close to fair. But the West itself will not agree, they have already tasted Russian blood. It is unlikely that amicably it will turn out to disperse. All this is terrible. How many people are dying.

[isv000]

Musk definitely became an astronaut - he broke away from earthly reality. Supply water to the Crimea-Ukrainians have to dig another channel?! We don't need that much water...

[Petr_Koldunov]

A normal healthy person with an adequate view of the world around him.
His proposal does not suit us very well - but at least it is very sensible ...
But he was bullied right away! And the shares collapsed, and they already poured mud in the media, and the crazy Melnik again distinguished himself - this time with a foul language ...
A litmus test of how crazy the Western world is!

[kakvastam]

Unfortunately, his proposal does not meet the objectives of the parties.
The conditional West needs the destruction of Russia, in the latter such a result does not suit everyone.
Although, judging by current events, his offer may be attractive...

[Nickelium]

Is this some kind of joke? This is pure populism, not a proposal.

[kakvastam]

Populism is populism, but the mobilization postponed for half a year will begin to have a real effect in six months, as the opponent's experience has shown.
And it is not a fact that without serious changes in management by the new year, more advantageous positions will not be in the Kursk or Voronezh region.

[Nickelium]

In fact, the Sumerians could have attacked the section of the border near Kursk and Voronezh for a long time, without waiting for their ranks to thin out and thin out. A more advantageous position - Nikolaev, Odessa, Krivoy Rog.

[YanniKounnar]

En clair c'est ce que la Russie par la voix de Poutine a demandé en vain ...

It is clear that this is what Russia asked in vain in the voice of Putin ...

[chingachguc]

Idealism. World conflicts are not resolved that way. Unfortunately. But the proposal itself is interesting in that it signals the fatigue of the American elite.

[Crisp]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Quote: Crispy

This shows that he considers everyone else to be suckers. Offend all those participating in the referendum by offering to re-vote. Under the supervision of the wolves from the UN, who announced in ADVANCE that they would not recognize the results of the referendum.

It doesn't matter. The bottom line here is that the person proposed a conciliatory option, moreover, this proposal contains a very important message: it recognizes the right of people to vote. And recognizes Russia's right to the Crimea.
And don’t care that everything is known in advance from the UN side ... most importantly, Musk said what made the whole Caudle squeal in unison, raging and spitting poison.

And you are there. Not reconciliation (we don't need it, we need VICTORY), but a reversal of what has been done. You voted, and this swindler offers to send your opinion to hell and re-vote. How long? How long can I bear it? And you don't feel. that you are garbage for him, he does not need your opinion, but the opinion of the UN Commission. Were not observers invited? We were invited. Arrived? Those who wanted to were. So what the hell are you doing with your opinions, they are not yours, they are our enemies. Are you that dumb?

[Incvizitor]

He issued an interesting text soon, so all the local pro-Western whores who praised his hacky crafts will begin to hate them.

[acetophenone]

The proposals are reasonable ... but at the level of "a spherical horse in a vacuum." Naive, in short. They characterize the one who issued them as a person ... mmm ... there was such a hackneyed expression of "good will". So this is him.

[shm_kv]

Good plan. I would agree. But the Pentagon will definitely not approve, they sleep there and see how the Ukrainians will cut the Russians in the Crimea.

[Maks1995]

He understands perfectly well that this is a PR move.
Concessions to those, concessions to those .... nothing will come of it.
Imperialism in the yard. Lands liberated and annexed..
And Musk himself dared to invent, and unlike the unsinkable "effective managers", to really launch his "trampolines."
Our inviolable Managers will not forgive him anything ....

[Bayun]

Good Musk seems to be a man - he wants to belong to all of humanity. But only bad people who stirred up the war of the Russian Federation with the country-U believe that humanity should belong to them. You, Musk, either join the right "globalists" or "happy new year, fuck you."

[Knell wardenheart]

And the Swiss and the reaper, and the player Ilon Batkovich on the pipe ..
But let's think about the very idea - how to end the conflict?
In fact, no way, I mean from the position of "benefit for both sides".
Let's assume that we have an option - borders according to the actual ones on 4.10.22/XNUMX/XNUMX, recognition of a referendum in the LDNR and Crimea, holding a second referendum in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, an exchange of "all for all", fixing a non-bloc status in the constitution of Ukraine - all this seems to be reasonable and it is logical in a certain abstract format of a "peace treaty", but it is completely unprofitable for either the Russian Federation or Ukraine. Here from the word at all. And removing any of this will only be even less profitable for one of the parties. For Ukraine, all of the above is practically a de facto capitulation and a death sentence for the current government. For Russia, all of the above is a powerful image blow to the authorities, the mass surrender of "Nazi criminals" and, most importantly, a complete understanding that such a "peacekeeper" will not differ much from "Minsk". It’s a no brainer that no one will forget hostilities of this magnitude and that the day will not be far off when Ukraine will be pumped up with weapons, trained (one way or another, through gray schemes) and then the new government there will simply denounce the treaty - and we will again have an unpleasant choice: either chew it, or arrange a hellishly predictable blitzkrieg.
If we live through this, then soon NATO troops, elements of missile defense and other things will appear there, and Ukraine itself will shake all international organizations to the point of stupor on the subject of territories. claims and permission for her to have her own nuclear weapons. And there (considering the lobby of the USA and Co.) they will, of course, be pitied.
The situation will escalate, escalate, we will be tested for strength by escalating war, in the information space of new regions, warming up our society and so on. And we will either have to act tough, or divert more and more resources to all this. At some point, something can "break loose" and some limited conflict or some civil unrest will begin - and everything will go downhill.

Why am I doing this. All any papers signed with Ukraine will NOT have ANY value and can be easily denounced by another change of power there (and it will be, because Ukraine will not be satisfied with any agreement that is not our actual surrender, because from its point of view, such an agreement - this is the surrender of Ukraine itself). In the event of a denunciation, we will find ourselves in even worse conditions, because during this time the enemy will take full advantage of the respite, pumping up troops, forming air defense and missile defense systems, and training the army in a Western way.
Ukrainian society will be processed and pumped up with myths during this respite, there will be a cult of revenge, actively fed by the West. And vice versa - the tendencies of decay and "lost victory" will be fueled by outside forces in our society.

In the current conditions, as soon as we got in, we just need to "close the issue" - regionally including a significant part of Ukraine into the Russian Federation, leaving from this state several of the most "anti-Russian" regions, from which a new Ukraine will be formed (or they will go to Poland), unable to be us an objective threat. NATO bases will ALWAYS appear there, and the population, of course, will not forget anything for us. BUT ALL THIS WILL BE ANYWAY. In absolutely ANY scenario, this will ALREADY be - we can only minimize it.
Separately, I want to note that I am not at all impressed with the idea of ​​​​a force-annexation solution, I only point out that in the CURRENT set of maps this is the BEST MAP FROM THE WORST. And we only have the worst. Since all this is ALREADY happening, as soon as we are interested in our security architecture, we need to follow this option.
Any "peace treaties" will be a priori worse than this option, because in the end they will provide us with a less profitable security architecture.

[stankow]

You are a plus. A comment to match an article!

[Mitia68]

the idea of ​​a force-annexation solution, I'm just pointing out that in the CURRENT set of maps - this is the BEST MAP FROM THE WORST

So explain then, why take by storm (otherwise it won’t work out in any way) and then annex, for example, Kyiv, the majority of whose population hates us and will certainly continue to openly and secretly fight against us even more after taking the city by storm?
Well, why do we need a "new Baltic", and even received a lot of Russian blood?
Why do you think this is the best?

[Knell wardenheart]

I think that significant part of the Ukrainian population, due to the proximity of cultures and language, can be effectively assimilated in a reasonable time, provided that this is done appropriate and professional team of people.
I know enough Kyivans - they speak Russian and Surzhik, they think in Russian and Surzhik, they still devour Russian cultural products for a sweet soul and share philistine values ​​with the citizens of the Russian Federation. The watershed line of the mentality now runs more in the political plane than in the everyday or cultural. The current political stagnation with all its paraphernalia in the Russian Federation, of course, will not suit them in the medium term. So the question is "will we be able to effectively assimilate Kyiv?" is directly related to the question "will we ourselves be able to get away from stagnation and doxology into development?" . In an environment accompanied by development and not infringement of freedoms, as well as development and not economic contraction, any objective discontent (not based on deep cultural or religious differences, or traditional, rooted historical antagonism) is rather fading than developing.

If we have the task of "just raking these territories in order to live as we lived," then this task is doomed to failure. But if we take these territories in order to once again, in deed and not in words, declare ourselves as an economic and industrial superpower (or at least go towards it) and a country for the people, we will undoubtedly be successful and the dust will settle. It is also worth understanding that an openly pro-Western element will emigrate if he has somewhere to emigrate, and we should not interfere with this.

[Knell wardenheart]

As for the assault, it is not at all necessary to take large cities by storm.
Cordonation capable of stopping the supply of fuel, electricity, food - notifying the population about the timing of evacuation and the phased curtailment of supplies to the city.
Further work with the forces defending the city - informing them that those of them who are captured (do not surrender in advance) will be engaged in forced restoration work for many years to eliminate the inevitable destruction that has occurred, and the families of others will be denied pensions for the loss of breadwinners.
Further, in fact, reconnaissance, analytics and the elimination of the largest pockets of resistance with precision-guided munitions until the spirit of the defenders is broken. UAVs and analytics work wonders, it is not at all necessary to smoke out the defenders from each house with infantry - any resistance will always have a center or several centers, there will be ammunition and food depots. Calmly opening it up through interrogation of evacuees and surrenderers, surveillance and pinpoint strikes will work wonders.
At certain stages, of course, MTRs and snipers will be needed, but an assault will not be required if everything is done correctly. Defenders are effective when they have an understanding of the preservation of their security model - if we let them know that we are dismantling their security model at the root, and that they HAVE to deal with us already as its successor - this will ultimately break them fighting spirit.

[Andriuha077]

[Forwarded from Dmitry Medvedev]
Well done Musk though.

The next post will give something like “Ukraine is an artificial state”.
https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/186
Ukraine is an artificial state

[gromit]

Kissinger proposed the same thing in May. And this is a normal proposal, even though the uryakli then threw minuses at me). Crimea is Russian, Novorossia is also Russian, but without international recognition in the coming years.
The result is predictable - by the spring campaign, the Russian Federation will mobilize more than a million and begin to put pressure. But it will cost dearly, not to mention New Russia, through which the war will roll over for the third time.

[Kurganets-45]

It seems that Russia has already mobilized so many fighters, so congratulations on 2023 will be just right.

[iz odessy]

talented in everything, because he is specific and real in his sentences. The only problem is that the proposals were late for 8 years. The second is that the Kiev-Lvov people would never agree to them and will not agree. Everything can be stopped with only one military defeat.

[Streamil]

The pathological desire of this individual to be noted everywhere just in case.

[Dropper]

I hope - the soap bubble is aware of its fate?

[FoBoss_V]

Musk forgot to mention Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Poltava, and Dnepropetrovsk. Where are they?

[Mitia68]

Well done Musk. We need peace, and that means we need to look for compromises.

[stankow]

Good offer. We need to take note and apply it to the Lviv region.

[silviu]

He says everything correctly, an intelligent person and spoke out at the right time, first of all, because when V. Putin announced the demelitarization and denazification of Ukraine, he did not know what was going on in his armed forces and what all this had led to at the moment, and the opinion of the President of Ukraine will change diametrically as soon as the help from the West ends .As Elon Musk proposes, all these decisions are in the hands of the leadership of these two countries and everything else is from the evil one. And as for the repeated plebiscite, the losing side still does not recognize the referendum and does not agree with the results that they were not

[silviu]

Unfortunately, it’s so easy to start even when the parties don’t want it, and then there’s really no way to reach an agreement; whoever makes concessions first loses everything

[ZIF122]

At the moment this is unrealistic! Even if we imagine that they recognize Crimea and then hold these referendums under the auspices of the UN. Kiev has no longer complied with the Minsk agreements, why will it comply with others? This will simply be a freezing of the conflict for a short period of time!

[evgen1221]

Oh, how I want to go back, oh how I want to stay in the town... (for the Americans in Ukraine, and for everything to continue as before)

[Sergey_24]

Dear Elon Musk, the issue of mine settlement of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict depends only on Washington. It is useless to persuade us. But it is possible to influence Ukraine.

[Igor K]

It’s brave, but it’s probably too late, before this Musk had a different opinion, otherwise the scenario of the third world war was calculated by his computer as probable.

[grandfather erofei]

"I do not believe!" This scoundrel, hiding behind good things, again stirred up some kind of toadstool! Or maybe it’s stupid as a component of the establishment’s empty attempts to pause a mess that is getting out of control!..

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Another condition for ending the armed conflict in Ukraine, according to Musk, is "holding repeated referendums"

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- “How do you like this, Elon Musk?” ...

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[former soldier]

Quote: Igor K

It’s brave, but it’s probably too late, before this Musk had a different opinion, otherwise the scenario of the third world war was calculated by his computer as probable.

“Even without maps, I know this.” A computer, in the sense of analyzing a situation, cannot go deeper than a person who has put his analysis program into the computer.

[former soldier]

Quote: Former soldier

large property owners and financiers operating in Europe, Russia and Ukraine

I didn't just write it. That's right, and not "Russian oligarchs, Ukrainian oligarchies and European oligarchs"

[Retvizan 8]

Oh, that was the day when the explosions on the territory of Ukro-Ina intensified several times!
For it was the farts of particularly generous Ukrainians and especially the political elite of this sub-state that burst from overwhelming anger and indignation.
Even Supreme Zeleclown himself did not leave aside.
Elon Musk, whom some of the rabid people prayed to, dared to offer an option when their compatriots would stop being killed as an icon!
Of course, this is unacceptable for true ghouls!

[Filxnumx]

“holding repeated referendums” in the former Ukrainian territories (LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions) - referendums under the auspices of the UN.

Lenya, a counter-proposal: to cancel the decision of the Kosovo parliament to secede from Yugoslavia, to return back the Serbs and Albanians who had left (and Kosovo to the SFRY) and then, finally, to hold, as required by the UN Charter, a referendum (for the first time, but not again). Can you check it? If you agree, we will consider your proposal. If not, then calmly continue to do what you are good at (so far), cheat suckers with your flight to Mars, and don’t meddle in adult affairs. Otherwise you will have to rename your company “named after I. Musk”.

[Skipper]

How these worms become perverted and demand a thousand more referendums. They openly held the most honest and open referendum...and these worms are still bending their agenda. Refusal to accept reality.

[Evgeniy S zzz Digest]

The point is that a lot of people, including politicians, listen to the proposal of an AUTHORITATIVE person. These are correct, sensible proposals that can lead to peace. Remember, from Mayakovsky: “Words, even to the most important thing, become a habit, they wear out like a dress... And if the little ones are huddled together, give up, enemy, freeze and lie down!...” SO IT EVERYTHING STARTS SMALL .

[Eug]

This is not peace - this is a truce... the question is in whose interests it is and which side will use it better.

[Roman Efremov]

A completely sound plan for an adequate person. A few months ago, if Zelensky had agreed to this, I think our leadership would have met halfway. Now, of course, not anymore - after everything that happened, our plans should be much larger.

[Arbeiternegast]

Something strange. Is Musk afraid of losing his invested money? I personally don’t see any other way. Invested in satellites. Maybe the VKS have already become a little blind, just for a hint? And then the strange peacemaker suddenly surfaced.

[Negro]

The incident itself could have been ignored. Anyone can post something stupid, and Musk even came under American investigation for his tweets.

However, there is a frightening detail in his rant. Mention of “Khrushchev’s mistake” with the transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. This is a specific delirium, characteristic of a strictly defined category of dangerous madmen.
What kind of expatriate Soviet grandfather is in Musk’s entourage? What other topics does Musk talk to him about? I’m not afraid of this word, it’s a matter of US national security.