Data on the appointment of a new commander of the Western Military District has been confirmed

_{Roman Berdnikov (Major General at the time of filming)}

The information about the change of the commander of the Western Military District was confirmed. Until recently, this position was held by Colonel-General Alexander Zhuravlev. General Zhuravlev was appointed to command the ZVO 4 years ago. And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

Prior to that, he was in the position of 1st Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District (SMD).

According to the latest information, instead of Alexander Zhuravlev, Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov will now command the troops of the Western Military District. At one time, he commanded the combined arms formation of the VVO (Eastern Military District). Also, General Berdnikov served as commander of the Russian Armed Forces grouping in the Syrian Arab Republic.

Roman Berdnikov is a native of the Altai Territory. He graduated from the Kiev Suvorov School in 1991, the Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School in 1995. In the same year, he began serving as a commander of a motorized rifle platoon in Siberia with the rank of lieutenant. In 2005 he graduated from the Combined Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and in 2014 from the Academy of the General Staff. Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

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[antiaircrafter]

Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

Well, at least they didn’t put an ancient grandfather. Maybe there will be a sense.

[Sergio_7]

Let's hope it's a competent general! At the front, a change in leadership is needed.

[astepanov]

Quote: Sergio_7

Not just because he was appointed!

- and Rogozin for a reason, and his son, and Chubais, and Gref with Nabiullina, and a whole harem of young generals ... All of them - "for a reason.
But what inspires hope is that during the war the position of a high-ranking commander is not a sinecure at all, maybe a really worthy commander. God bless...

[bk316]

But what inspires hope is that during the war the position of a high-ranking commander is not a sinecure at all, maybe a really worthy commander. God bless...

Is it possible without a bunch of crap?

[Russian jacket]

There won't be a bunch of crap when the Hero's stars start to be torn off the Arbats, especially from the rear.

[bk316]

There won't be a bunch of crap when the Hero's stars start to be torn off the Arbats, especially from the rear.

They won’t start, thank God, not idiots are sitting at the top.
In order to break the star of the Hero, one must be convicted by a court decision for a serious crime.

[Russian jacket]

Is the lack of equipment in warehouses an argument? Or are the logistics service and its boss pink and fluffy and not responsible for anything? Well then everything is according to plan.

[bk316]

Is the lack of equipment in warehouses an argument?

You do not understand simple Russian speech?
No arguments are needed, but "one must be convicted by a court decision for a serious crime."

For interest, read about the Kharkov disaster of 1942.
And about the role of Tymoshenko. Because of his incompetence, 20 divisions (TWENTY DIVISIONS CARL !!!) were defeated. Losses up to 300000 (THREE Hundred THOUSAND !!!!) people. And Nobody deprived him of the Hero of the Soviet Union.
How is it Vatnik? Stalin was a sluggish or Timoshenko was his friend? Try to think at least once, and not throw slogans.

[Russian jacket]

I agree with a lot of what you wrote. But… Translation for failures in such a place…. Where at least the announcement of the initiation of a criminal case. It infuriates just the unsinkability of such characters. The vertical does not give up.

[bk316]

The vertical does not give up.

Still don't want to think?
Well, read Bagramyan's memoirs about Tymoshenko, maybe you'll understand.
So for the seed, never in modern times, either in the Wehrmacht or in the USSR or in the US Army, criminal cases were initiated for errors in command.
Even Pavlov was not tried for this.
Well, just think a little, why?

Stalin easily shot marshals and ministers, but did not touch either Timoshenko or Bagramyan, and yet at the meeting of the headquarters Timoshenko refused to level the front line and 3 armies were surrounded, despite Vasilevsky's advice. This is truly an epic fail.
And they just sent him to another place.

[Russian jacket]

I'm talking about today's vertical. You read the same carefully. After being transferred to another place of work, she became a deputy and part-time Hero of Russia without initiating a criminal case, is there anything to say? Or was he not responsible for the mess?

[bk316]

Actually, I'm not talking about the zampotyla (he will most likely be sent under investigation), I'm talking about Lapin.
Do you propose to deprive him of the star?

[Postcode]

The command of such a term as errors, in fact, does not know, because, as it is written in the BU (and correctly) that ANY decision of the commander, aimed at completing a combat mission, is considered correct. The most important thing is that any commander, after making a decision to fight, before giving a combat order to his subordinates (setting a task), reports this decision to the senior commander, and only after receiving his approval, proceeds to implement it. In the dynamics of the battle, this process, of course, goes on continuously, and is more like the work of aircraft pilots who voice all their actions for recording in a "black box". So that later, as they say, "fingers" remain, in fact, combat graphic and not only documents are drawn up for this.

[vladcub]

"God forbid", but we have no option. Except to trust the Lord

[user]

At the front, a change in leadership is needed.

The rotation of personnel in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is simply an urgent need. Look at the training of the military personnel of the Arbat Military District, even whole tanks are abandoned (in the sense of a downed caterpillar), and such a command staff is simply dumbfounded. And this is like our Guard.

[Mazunga]

so they called a business class Yandex taxi, ordered a snack in the ABC of taste and washed off into the sunset)))

[Russian jacket]

It's high time to rip off the parquet guards. Significantly. Let them make new money.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Sergio_7

Let's hope it's a competent general! At the front, a change in leadership is needed.

And in Moscow, let everyone stay in their warm places?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Well, if they don't interfere... then let them sit :))

[Podvodnik]

. At the front, a change in leadership is needed.

It's hard to say if that's the case. Not enough information to draw conclusions. We don't really know anything. We only see the tip of the iceberg. We do not know either the assigned tasks, or the plan of the Supreme Commander, or the assigned detachments of forces and means, or the powers granted to these senior officers. Chickens "in the fall we will count." A couple more months...

And so only the imperishable from Krylov comes to mind: "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, you are not good at musicians"

[YarSer88]

I agree that in order to discuss something in detail, you need to be at least a little dedicated, and we only know about the situation from the media. Let's see how the situation changes on the map, this is the only reliable evaluation criterion.

PS And yes, they are really far from "musicians", no matter how you sit down

[Evil 55]

So, a competent general was replaced by a court shambler .. like Surovikin, who had not been in the same position for more than two years .. "Service elevator" and "Conveyor of generals" in the era of Shoigu developed at an unusual pace.

[Thrifty]

There, at the front, it is necessary to change the command, otherwise only the blind will not see their incompetence!

[dmi.pris1]

Changing one commander to another does not solve problems. There, from the level of the battalion and above, shake it up.

[Vitaly161]

well, a new broom sweeps in a new way, you look and will put things in order

[dmi.pris1]

I can only wish the lieutenant general good luck and solve the difficult tasks assigned to him

[Vitaly161]

I join, his horse didn’t roll around

[Pilat2009]

Quote: dmi.pris

am from the level of the battalion and above to shake up.

Everything needs to be shaken up. Where are the reconnaissance satellites over Ukraine? Where is the connection between the military branches?

[sailor roman]

One of the reasons for the failures on the fronts is the extreme centralization of command and control of the Armed Forces. In the past, we were taught at the academy that excessive centralization of command and control of the Armed Forces does not allow front commanders to quickly manage subordinate forces and means, and a lot of time is spent on coordinating and approving decisions by the center.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: antiaircrafter

Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

Well, at least they didn’t put an ancient grandfather. Maybe there will be a sense.

1995 - lieutenant, 2015 - general - ?, 2022 - lieutenant general.
Such a rapid rise in ranks is suspicious.

[solzh]

Rokossovsky in 1914 a private, in 1935 a division commander.

[Vitaly161]

yes, not only him, remember Katukova, the Second World War cut a lot of diamonds

[NKT]

Vasilevsky, in March 1940 Major General, and in February 1943 already Marshal.

[NKT]

1995 - lieutenant; 1998 - senior lieutenant; 2001 - captain; 2005 - Major
2009 - lieutenant colonel; 2014 - colonel; 2016 (min) - major general, 2018 (min) - lieutenant general.
It seems to be going through the seniority ....

[not main]

Quote: NKT

1995 - lieutenant; 1998 - senior lieutenant; 2001 - captain; 2005 - Major
2009 - lieutenant colonel; 2014 - colonel; 2016 (min) - major general, 2018 (min) - lieutenant general.
It seems to be going through the seniority ....

This is IDEAL! But in life ... Did you serve in the army? Have you ever seen captains of "retirement" age? Or colonels who are half the age of these captains?

[Urs]

Andrey along the way you are also the category of "careerist"
How do I know all this?
"Have you ever seen captains of "retirement" age? Or colonels who are twice as young as these captains?"
That's why I'm confused by the age of the lieutenant general

[not main]

Quote: Urs

Andrey along the way you are also the category of "careerist"
How do I know all this?
"Have you ever seen captains of "retirement" age? Or colonels who are twice as young as these captains?"
That's why I'm confused by the age of the lieutenant general

Not only does this confuse me, but years of service too! Late 90s etc. It's about what?

[Alemax]

Twenty-seven years of service. Not so fast.

[goblin xnumx]

26 years in the peacetime army... study... service... - and suddenly - a real...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: antiaircrafter

Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

Well, at least they didn’t put an ancient grandfather. Maybe there will be a sense.

1995 - lieutenant, 2015 - general - ?, 2022 - lieutenant general.
Such a rapid rise in ranks is suspicious.

There are certain embarrassments. At the same time, for the entire period of service from a platoon commander in 1995, and until 2014, he managed to graduate from two academies - the Combined Arms Academy and the Academy of the General Staff.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

You would take an interest in the career growth of the former deputy. behind Bulgakov’s lines. That’s where the titan of thought is. Ranks and membership in various academies alone take up two pages

[fiberboard]

I absolutely agree with you, suspiciously fast growth. In ten years from lieutenant to general. A man does not get out of battles, or what? I hardly found the first Chechen, after school they were sent to Siberia. Nothing is written about the second. This is probably Syria put forward them. But driving the Mujahideen across the desert is one thing, and fighting the Ukrainian army is another. Why is it not heard about Makarov, who was the commander of the 58 during the war with Georgia and it was he who took full responsibility. And here, I think, they decided to change commanders like gloves. The entire General Staff wants to command in turn.

[TIR]

Don't you know how Makarov was devoured along with the giblets ??? Read about it sometime. He pulled out the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX on his shoulders and took full responsibility, and those who had to act decisively were frightened. Here they are, for their fears and humiliations, and then they ate him

[Sanguinius]

Greetings. Is there any material about it? Do not share, if not difficult?

[Vovavvs]

As for "all responsibility" - not quite so ... Yes, and where to go, since the enraged prime minister, who urgently flew in from Beijing, constantly kicked ... The Air Force command, by the way, also had to be brought to life: no way. As for "at the exit from the tunnel", are you talking about the attack on the general's headquarters column

[TIR]

Our Air Force in that war showed valor and courage. There is no special forces for the suppression of air defense in the Air Force either then or now. And our peacekeepers were ironed there with hailstones and tanks. The account was not even for hours, but for minutes. On the ground, our troops stupidly did not have time to help them. The only way to help is to cover with aircraft. But the air defense was not suppressed, and flying out to attack, our pilots understood this very well. They understood that it was necessary to help the guys, but they also understood that there was almost no chance for them to survive on their own. Here they flew. Shot them down

[Pilat2009]

Quote: fiberboard

In ten years from lieutenant to general

For what 10 years? Count at least on a calculator chtoli.

[Urs]

Yes, there’s silence about Makarov, otherwise it’s a very strong man, it’s rare now to find a carrier of lampas who can “take responsibility”, so he needs someone to take the army to the Ukrainian front. In general, the situation there was “very bad” (I can’t say tougher banned ), if it weren’t for Makarov and the head of aviation of the SkavVO, then the troops had the opportunity to fly at the exit of the tunnel.

[Li17]

Quote: Urs

There, in general, the situation was "very bad" (I can’t say more harshly, they will be banned), if it weren’t for Makarov and the head of aviation of the SkavVO, then the troops had the opportunity to fly at the exit from the tunnel.

As a participant in the events, I confirm that our victory is the merit of General Makarov! Then we came in large numbers from the Arbat ... I won’t name the names of the “heroes” who were slipped into my knot ... After talking with this type, for some reason, an association arose to communicate with the kids in the kindergarten, they collected tsatski and rejoiced!

[Alexander Salenko]

For 20 years, between 1995 and 2015, twenty and not ten. Of course, it is fast, and suspicious, but he got involved in this position.

[Bongo]

Quote: Tucan

Quote: lucul

And what are you surprised - the same Semit.

Who about what, and lousy about the bath. Do you see Jews everywhere again? However, I will not be surprised that for such comments you will soon find yourself in a bathhouse.

Very often, the most ardent anti-Semites are Jews who have not achieved success in life and degraded, hiding their nationality. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.

[cold wind]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: antiaircrafter

Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

Well, at least they didn’t put an ancient grandfather. Maybe there will be a sense.

1995 - lieutenant, 2015 - general - ?, 2022 - lieutenant general.
Such a rapid rise in ranks is suspicious.

Oh… what's the difference? The level of our generals is approximately the same as that of lieutenant colonels in the NATO Armed Forces.
We have 1307 generals in the Armed Forces, 896 people in the USA. If we take into account the difference in the size of the army, air force and fleet, then the difference in quantity will be multiple. We control more with lesser forces. The number of generals / admirals should be halved.

[Urs]

Do not talk nonsense, you are comparing soft and warm. In our army and "theirs" there is a completely different system for conferring ranks. Hence the different number of senior officers. And the age of dismissal of the generals is different and not at all the same approach to conferring the rank of general.
Don't talk about something you don't know at all.

[cold wind]

Of course, there is a different system for conferring titles, they have merit, we have connections. Our generals and admirals have many sons, so they come up with general positions.

[Alexander Salenko]

Of course, for merit, Take McCain for example, he messed up too much to become an admiral, and so dad admiral, grandfather admiral - just a talented family, right?

[Vovavvs]

In this view, "jambs" are not the main thing. The main thing is that he was in captivity, where he did not behave very correctly ...

[Alexander Salenko]

Here the question is that some people say that there is no nepotism and the like.

[dmi.pris1]

He got into politics. And she, such disgusting people, only spoils

[Silver99]

It is amazing how easily we give out the stars of Heroes to the generals (refers to the previous commander), took a village with mud huts and you are already a "hero", the awards simply depreciate when they are handed out in buckets, the merits of these comrades are not comparable with the merits of Vasilevsky, Rokosovsky, Zhukov, Batov ........ Maybe, of course, for the better, after the mediocrity has fallen, a young talented shoot may break through.

[chetvertak]

RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS OF THE USSR
from 18 March 1985 N N 240
6. In accordance with the Law of the USSR "On General Military Duty", officers of the Armed Forces of the USSR are in active military service until the following age limits:

junior lieutenants, lieutenants, senior
lieutenants and captains - 40 years
majors and lieutenant colonels - 45 years
Colonels - 50th Anniversary
major and lieutenant generals - 55 years
Colonel General - 60 years.

[Alexander Salenko]

Yes, the reward is depreciating, but what did they give Ambassador Karlov for? For killing him? Some stupidity.

[chetvertak]

It is necessary to appoint someone from the Airborne Forces! They are doing something acres of sitting in the garrison. And these all graduate from the same General Staff Academy, and after that it is a complete retreat. This is the General Staff Academy, in order to get into the General Staff department itself, and stay there until retirement

[igoist]

it’s impossible to get close from the airborne forces, a completely different specificity, the commander should always be motorized riflemen

[vovan089]

I am sure that among those mobilized in the course of hostilities, a contingent of intelligent commanders will "grow" not only at junior and middle levels, but also among senior officers. The shuffling of the current cadre generals, who have rapidly passed all the military stages, does not lead to anything good.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: antiaircrafter

Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

Well, at least they didn’t put an ancient grandfather. Maybe there will be a sense.

If only not someone's "son" from major general bloodlines.

[Magog_]

I'm not talking about the new appointee's age. I just want to note for all commentators: the Western Military District is not troops in Ukraine, it is the Kaliningrad region, the borders with the Baltic states and Belarus, with the Kharkov region. Ukraine...

[chetvertak]

Gerasimov from ZVO! He graduated from the tank command school, the academy of the armored forces, the academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. He graduated from so many schools, he has to understand blindly! And it’s zero sense, he brought one damage to the country. Why didn’t he support the production of BMP sau tanks so much? production is already in series!
When I read about the Second World War, before the start and at the beginning of the war until 43, they noticed such a feature! That the commanders heading the Western Military District had the main battles. Tymoshenko -100% defeat
, Pavlov, Zhukov, And this bunch (except Pavlov) headed the General Staff and NGOs. You can add Khrushchev to them

[Old Michael]

brought one damage to the country. Why didn’t he so much root for the production of BMP sau tanks?

The General Staff determines what weapons and how much are needed.
And how much and what the Armed Forces will actually receive depends on the Defense Ministry and its ability to instill a dose of patriotism in our military-industrial complex.

[Alexander Salenko]

I put a minus for Timoshenko, not only did he do a lot of things for the army, but this does not apply to your message, he also knocked Kleist out of Rostov in 1941, no need to lie, he is not the most successful, but quite a well-deserved warrior, there is something good about to remember him, and if not for him, in 1941 it would have been worse.

[insafufa]

Well, there is at least combat experience in Syria, but as the late Troshev officer said, he must go to the soldier from the lieutenant, then he will have an idea about the warrior. Life will show what kind of fruit Berdnikov is, if we continue to retreat in the north of the former ruins, then we will draw conclusions.

[ZoV]

Also, General Berdnikov served as commander of the Russian Armed Forces grouping in the Syrian Arab Republic.

This is a plus, of course, in the track record .. Well, we'll see.

[Egoza]

Lieutenant General Berdnikov is 48 years old.

Perhaps the young cadres will show themselves in the best possible way.

[Aerodrome]

it looks like our bunsha ... it looks like Zelensky ... is this make-up? what type ... God forbid, he will show himself at the front.

[astepanov]

Quote: Aerodrome

it looks like our bunsha ... it looks like Zelensky ... is this make-up?

Eh, come on. Galustyan looks like Zelensky - one person, and also an entertainer. But Galustyan is smarter than Zelensky and certainly more decent, although not a role model.

[Rome]

They would have been given enough troops, otherwise it’s difficult to fight against the horde with knowledge alone!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Eroma

They would have been given enough troops, otherwise it’s difficult to fight against the horde with knowledge alone!

You tell Suvorov this, or Rommel, or the Germans who fought on 2 fronts in two wars, or the Israelis. The problem is not the number of troops, but the quality

[insafufa]

to the Israelis

an example that is not relevant, they have been fighting for a long time against 3rd grade troops who are raked from gangs, not to mention the troops of level 2 countries, which is Israel today.

[Rome]

You still remember about 300 Spartans! And how did the Germans, did it work out well on 2 fronts? Both times capitulation!
In the time of Romel, the importance of tanks was incomparable to today, when there are thoughts about the prospects of tanks on the battlefield in the age of precision-guided munitions! And Suvorov, just a genius, like Macedonian, such people appear every few centuries the rest of the time, it operates on the basis of military science, which takes into account the real balance of forces on the battlefield! Therefore, we now need to either correct the balance of forces, or find a military genius! What do you think is easier?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Eroma

You still remember about 300 Spartans! And how did the Germans, did it work out well on 2 fronts? Both times capitulation!
In the time of Romel, the importance of tanks was incomparable to today, when there are thoughts about the prospects of tanks on the battlefield in the age of precision-guided munitions! And Suvorov, just a genius, like Macedonian, such people appear every few centuries the rest of the time, it operates on the basis of military science, which takes into account the real balance of forces on the battlefield! Therefore, we now need to either correct the balance of forces, or find a military genius! What do you think is easier?

In WWII, capitulation due to sanctions is a direct analogy to the current ones, only now we have not yet cut off all supplies. Nevertheless, before their revolution, the Germans quite successfully fought on 2 fronts. Paradox, a country that seized a huge amount of foreign territory collapsed from internal reasons.

[Rome]

In WWI, Germany captured a little territory, the front passed almost the entire war along the borders. Only towards the end, after the collapse of the Russian Empire, Germany took control of some territories, but lost all the colonies! And the meaning of the war was precisely in the redistribution of colonial possessions, this task was completely failed! Hence the internal explosion, now the West is trying with the help of Ukraine to implement exactly the same scenario! pressure on society with the help of sanctions + the inability of the government to achieve its declared goals, because of which the people pay with their well-being, which should blow up Russia from the inside

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Eroma

Germany took over some territory

Really? Luxembourg, a quarter of France and Belgium did not capture? Poland in 1915 did not capture?

[Rome]

Is that a lot? To the west, the occupied territories are more of a forced measure in an attempt to outflank the French than a goal! Poland and then part of Ukraine, of course, had some value, but it was not at all worth the cost of their occupation. Germany needed colonies, she wanted to use the war in Europe to force the Entente to transfer the colonies in Africa and Asia, and in fact they even lost what they had: Tanzania, Cameroon, Namibia, concessions in China and islands in the Pacific Ocean! Everything they captured in Europe and a quarter was not worth what they lost!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Eroma

Is that a lot? To the west, the occupied territories are more of a forced measure in an attempt to outflank the French than a goal! Poland and then part of Ukraine, of course, had some value, but it was not at all worth the cost of their occupation. Germany needed colonies, she wanted to use the war in Europe to force the Entente to transfer the colonies in Africa and Asia, and in fact they even lost what they had: Tanzania, Cameroon, Namibia, concessions in China and islands in the Pacific Ocean! Everything they captured in Europe and a quarter was not worth what they lost!

We digressed a little from the topic. What Germany wanted before the war did not work out. There were geographical reasons for that. Fighting on 2 fronts was not the best solution, but there were no options. Nevertheless, during the war, Germany with the Allies had a smaller army and lost fewer people. and internal reasons led to its collapse, like the Russian Empire. Only Russia collapsed earlier

[insafufa]

They would have been given enough troops, otherwise it’s difficult to fight against the horde with knowledge alone!

Well, how can you fight Suvorov not by numbers, but by skill, or is it all profanity and propaganda. It is impossible to deviate from the precepts of the Generalissimo, this is our everything. Ato, that they decided to follow the manual of the butcher Zhukov, who only knew how to fill up the corpses of the Germans.

So one libal proved to me with foam at the mouth

[insafufa]

All that Zhukov did was a tracing-paper from our other illustrious general Brusilov, this is the theory of a deep offensive operation on the entire sector of the front, combined with the classic blitzkrieg.

[Vovavvs]

Duc, commander of the district: reserves in his competence

[Arkady007]

Who, what, I don't know. There is only hope that he was appointed not out of friendship, but on merit.

[Grigory b]

Quote from Pharmacist

Who, what, I don't know. There is only hope that he was appointed not out of friendship, but on merit.

Altai guys are not appointed out of friendship, only for their merits. The commander of a platoon in Syria was far from being pulled out.

[Asad]

Maybe he got into the Series as a colonel? September 30, 2015 events in Syria began.

[goblin xnumx]

please explain - who in the platoon - lieutenant - ended up in Syria? - at 95? - this is how fairy tales are born, in which the storytellers themselves then begin to believe ....

[pharmacist]

Good luck general! Great responsibility, hope for youth and a modern view of military operations!

[Nastia makarova]

young, let's see how it goes..........

[DenVB]

And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

Why are they all heroes? What, going to Syria is already heroism?

[Sarboz]

Quote: DenVB

And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

Why are they all heroes? What, going to Syria is already heroism?

Go? Have you yourself tried to go on vacation somewhere, to Chechnya in the 1st or 2nd, in Syria?

[bk316]

Have you yourself tried to go on vacation somewhere, to Chechnya in the 1st or 2nd, in Syria?

Not that question.
Have you tried just going to the army?
If not, have you tried to go somewhere off the couch.

[DenVB]

Quote: Sarboz

Go? Have you yourself tried to go on vacation somewhere, to Chechnya in the 1st or 2nd, in Syria?

A lot of conscripts visited Chechnya, they really sniffed gunpowder. What percentage of them got a Hero for it?

[Sarboz]

Quote: DenVB

Quote: Sarboz

Go? Have you yourself tried to go on vacation somewhere, to Chechnya in the 1st or 2nd, in Syria?

A lot of conscripts visited Chechnya, they really sniffed gunpowder. What percentage of them got a Hero for it?

I have a friend - Hero of Russia. Conscript, Airborne Forces, 2nd Chechen. And in terms of interest, I’ll say this, since the time of Afghanistan, our brother has been deprived of awards. They wrote for the Hero, they gave BKZ, they wrote For Courage, they gave For BZ. And what's good about that? I don't know, but such is our life.

[bk316]

And in terms of interest, I’ll say this, since the time of Afghanistan, our brother has been deprived of awards.

Well, what are you from Afghanistan, from the time of Peter the Great it will be more accurate.
In RI, pay attention, even the orders were separate for the nobility separately for ordinary soldiers from the people.
How true it is written here that commanders should be given military orders as in the Great Patriotic War, but even then it was not entirely true, or rather not at all.

[Urs]

But I don’t know, maybe I’m so bad, the main thing for me is that the fighters are safe and the task is completed. After my dismissal from the Moscow Region from Kazakhstan, I was restored to another office of the com group, for 5 years not a single 200, only 8 cases 300. For "courage "given and thanks for that
The staff officer somehow said that documents were put on the "asterisk", but something did not work out, someone intercepted it.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Urs

After my dismissal from the Moscow Region from Kazakhstan, I was restored to another office of the com group, for 5 years not a single 200, only 8 cases 300.

I also worked in another "office". MMG is essentially a reinforced company. We've lost two in two years. True, it was a long time ago.

[bk316]

A lot of conscripts visited Chechnya, they really sniffed gunpowder. What percentage of them got a Hero for it?

I correctly understood that this is the answer to the question and it is the following.
"Did not participate in hostilities, did not serve in the army"

[fiberboard]

I don’t know, I was half a year in 2000, and half a year in 2000, when I was not rewarded with anything from the soldiers. Only officers and then ,, thieves ,,. Therefore, I treat these awards with suspicion.

[NKT]

The hero must be assigned for private feat, and for the general there are military orders.
In general, I liked the system of awards in the USSR during the Second World War more, especially the military orders: Victory, Suvorov, Kutuzov, B. Khmelnitsky, A. Nevsky + marine counterparts.

[bk316]

A hero must be awarded for a personal feat, and for a general there are military orders.
In general, I liked the award system in the USSR during the Second World War more,

Well, yes Zhukov - 4 heroes.
Tymoshenko - 2 heroes
Budyonny -3 heroes

[NKT]

There were also kinks then. And Zhukov awarded "his" orders not according to status

[bk316]

There were also kinks then.

Yes, and I'm talking about too. ALWAYS were still with RI.

[Dingo]

A.I. Koldunov - 2 Heroes (combat pilot-front-line soldier, Commander-in-Chief of Air Defense, Air Marshal).
I don’t brag, guys, but I personally know him - he shook my hand, thanks for the service (conscript sergeant, class 1 automated control system operator, Sary-Shagan training ground, Soyuz-79, June-November 79). They were looking for a "cure" - they found it.

[Graz]

I hope the senior command staff will now be awarded ranks and give high awards strongly with caution and really for extraordinary merits

[Maxim G]

The Hero of Russia was given for saving a flock of sheep...

[Pulkovo1942]

The Hero of Russia was given for saving a flock of sheep...

If suddenly someone does not believe

[Maxim G]

Yeah, they can declare it a fake and call TsIPSOshnik
http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/bank/26261/print

[Xnumx vis]

None of us know under what circumstances and how many sheep this hero saved ... Here - "The title of Hero of Russia was awarded for" heroism and dedication in saving a flock of sheep ", as well as for" achievements in work ".
On April 15, 2007, the steppe fire came close to the Deep Deep, where the shepherd's camp was located, there were tanks with fuel and lubricants, agricultural machinery, and more than 500 sheep grazed. Babu-Dorzho Mikhailov drove the flock away from the approaching fire, after which he plowed a barrier line on a tractor with a plow, which stopped the elements. The damage from the fire could amount to more than 4 million rubles. Senior shepherd of the experimental production farm "Ononskoye", Hero of the Russian Federation, holder of the Order of Friendship of Peoples (1991), laureate of the Komsomol Prize of Transbaikalia (1979). Lived in the Shilkinsky district of the Chita region.
The title of Hero of Russia was awarded for "heroism and dedication in saving a flock of sheep", as well as for "achievements in work." https://zab.ru/articles/104 Worthy or not? I do not know ... But the man accomplished his feat.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: 30 vis

None of us know under what circumstances and how many sheep this hero saved

For this, the Order of Courage should be given

[Maxim G]

Quote: 30 vis

None of us know under what circumstances and how many sheep this hero saved ...

You are not aware of this.
I read the warheroes site.

[Polyssenator]

lies about the order. no such document

[Maxim G]

A link to the official site is provided.

[2я19]

It's just that there were no other orders in the warehouse ... But seriously, it's useless to change the awl for soap. This husband is not going to change anything. The predecessor will not be demoted, he will not be allowed to destroy the rear of the enemy, And without this he will quietly quietly steer and wait for his hero.

[Alex777]

Quote: DenVB

What, going to Syria is already heroism?

Lieutenant General Valery Asapov and
Major General Vyacheslav Gladkikh died in Syria...

[Konnick]

What is not a general, then a Hero of Russia. The title has been devalued.

[your1970]

Quote: Konnick

What is not a general, then a Hero of Russia. The title has been devalued.

They began to depreciate a very long time ago. When Leonid Ilyich was hanged "Victory", and handed out to veterans for the Patriotic War ..
So it's been devalued for a very long time ...

[NKT]

Well, it was already at sunset that they gave him Victory, And orders began to depreciate earlier, when they began to give for long service, and this is the end of the 40s.

And they began to give the Hero for the anniversary. Budyonny has three Heroes and all for the anniversary: ​​1953, 1963, 1968.

[Magog_]

When Leonid Ilyich "Victory" was hanged

Look even earlier and start with Zhukov, who signed awards, for example, for singers for military orders, well, he was not offended at Glavpur.

[free]

I hope this is the beginning of a change from "peacetime" generals to real combat generals, success to him and all of us

[Nickelium]

Next Khodakovsky? He has 8 years of combat experience there.

[goblin xnumx]

"real fighting"? please enlighten me - what was he seen in? - I just remember the delight with which here on the forum they met the general who raised the fire brigade from dust and ashes - that is, MSCH - and did not listen to those who told them about future "tapeworms", reports, parades and other show...

[Urs]

I don’t know about his “great merits” in the field of tactics and strategy, but 48 years for a lieutenant general is too fast .It looks like there is a very powerful "career" bulldozer, most often it is a high-ranking relative. At least a few career posts were skipped in the "golop" mode. Usually, such career growth rarely corresponds to real military intelligence, let me be wrong .Of course the old people in the gene. shoulder straps is not good, but such "wild" strategists are even more dangerous.

[Vitaly161]

well, run in 1941 and tell G.K. Zhukov the same thing, but he showed himself even at a younger age

[Urs]

Prior to this, Zhukov G.K. proved himself at the Khankhil-Gol division, then the corps commander, and then the Finnish army castle commander and then the army commander and commander. Leningrad garrison.

[tatarin1972]

A gallop is a major, battalion commander at the age of 28. He has already become a general in Ukraine, now I don’t know where he is.

[Urs]

I will give myself as an example. A mere mortal, although in relatives a teacher at the school.
23rd lieutenant - in the GSVG, commander of a platoon of special works of the Rembat, for filling the face of the political officer of the battalion (it was for that, even the division commander grimaced but said nothing) was sent to the DRA, where at 25 he received a senior lieutenant, after the withdrawal he spent almost half a year in Kushka, then in two more places of service at 28 he received a captain as a deputy fun battalion, at 32 documents were sent for a major, but no luck, I refused to take the oath to the Kazakhs and wrote a letter of resignation.
28 major battalion commander is almost impossible without a bulldozer in the back

[not main]

Quote: Urs

I will give myself as an example. A mere mortal, although in relatives a teacher at the school.
23rd lieutenant - in the GSVG, commander of a platoon of special works of the Rembat, for filling the face of the political officer of the battalion (it was for that, even the division commander grimaced but said nothing) was sent to the DRA, where at 25 he received a senior lieutenant, after the withdrawal he spent almost half a year in Kushka, then in two more places of service at 28 he received a captain as a deputy fun battalion, at 32 documents were sent for a major, but no luck, I refused to take the oath to the Kazakhs and wrote a letter of resignation.
28 major battalion commander is almost impossible without a bulldozer in the back

I agree! For example myself. 22 years old pilot-operator, 26th flight navigator (these are all "starleys") 29th helicopter commander and ... captain! And then the 90s ... and everything is in the trash!

[Hanurik]

Why not? Here is my regimental commander on urgent basis, in 2008 it was underground. Gladkikh Vyacheslav Vladimirovich He died as a major general in Syria, at the age of 44.

[Eug]

Removed - with what wording and for what is real? For poor training of subordinate troops?

[Dartanian]

It’s the right thing to do, but the previous shots should be sent to the front to learn from experience with a temporary reduction in rank, no one will be better than a former general in command of a company

[Emergency]

This one will dig the ground. Escaped from ZabVO.

[Vitaly161]

Your words, yes to God's ears, there now only people are needed who are not afraid to rake

[Emergency]

God bless. ZabVO (forget to come back) is a terrible dream of graduates, young lieutenants. The Afghan pulled us out of there. Fathers are not even sergeants, mothers are milkmaids or rural teachers. Thank you Guyjun!

[dauria]

God bless. ZabVO (forget to come back)

Come on . Not sugar, frankly, there is just an ass. No forests, no rivers, bare hills and a state farm somewhere nearby. But a replacement after 5 years has been guaranteed there since the 80s. Except for the border guards. The coefficient was both in terms of length of service for a year and a half and in terms of money. Worse, of course, than in the Far East. But there were holes and warm places both there and there.

[Emergency]

Yeah. If it weren’t for the progress in the late 70s and early 80s, then hell would anyone from the people (precisely from the people, this despite the fact that from the rural and proletarian people it was necessary to get into the 9th company of the RVDKU to the fullest) from Kyakhta to the operational space broke out.

[Urs]

What are you guys talking about. Termez-Kushka-and Mary are the most terrible holes.
The desert on the salt marshes during the day +60 at night +25 and the pea coat does not save you freeze to the crunch of bones, when the sentry in the desert yells into the radio "under fire" and these stones burst and fragments hit the tower when frogs and snakes crawl in a military town into houses under Conder and some water are asked. My fighters at the training ground at +60 ran buttoned up on all their sleeves, burns all over and next to armor +70 or even 80.
That's the buzz As I recall, the skin is covered with "goose skin"

[not main]

Quote: dauria

God bless. ZabVO (forget to come back)

Come on . Not sugar, frankly, there is just an ass. No forests, no rivers, bare hills and a state farm somewhere nearby. But a replacement after 5 years has been guaranteed there since the 80s. Except for the border guards. The coefficient was both in terms of length of service for a year and a half and in terms of money. Worse, of course, than in the Far East. But there were holes and warm places both there and there.

I agree with the final quote! And at the expense of the steppe ... so big ZabVO! Not everyone served in Dauria, Steppe or Khadabulak! Some served in Nerchinsk (which is the same steppe), but in Mogocha there is no steppe anymore, but just taiga! I'm not talking about Arzamas!

[maxim1987]

Quote: DenVB

And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

Why are they all heroes? What, going to Syria is already heroism?

for this it is enough to get a bullet in the back, being an ambassador

[guest]

Let's hope that the new commander will be able to at least stabilize the situation at the front.

[azkolt]

Quote from ZOV

Also, General Berdnikov served as commander of the Russian Armed Forces grouping in the Syrian Arab Republic.

This is a plus, of course, in the track record .. Well, we'll see.

Of course, a plus, can you tell me where General Dvornikov, a big participant in the operation in Syria, is now? And where did Zhidko go, following him? And who is now generally in command in Ukraine? By the way, returning to Dvornikov, was it under him that the Southern Military District began to be considered commercial or even before him?

[Ranis]

it is necessary to provide the troops with the necessary, and then demand a result. It is safer to fight with Ukraine than with corrupt brothers.

[dnepropetrovsk]

Good luck general! Do not let me down!!! We hope for you!!!

[S. Sergei]

Quote: antiaircrafter

Well, at least they didn’t put an ancient grandfather. Maybe there will be a sense.

There is, for example, such an "ancient grandfather" Shamanov V.A. Here from him, I wouldn’t have to guess, it would definitely be good.

[Sniper]

The Russian Defense Ministry reported a breakthrough of Russian defense near Zolotoy Balka and Aleksandrovka

[shark507]

Quote: Sarboz

Go? Have you yourself tried to go on vacation somewhere, to Chechnya in the 1st or 2nd, in Syria?

Well, Lapin "went to Syria." And also "Hero"! Well...

[Dingo]

Vyacheslav, I read here about Lapin ... And in general ... How they tore the "ring" in Liman ... I'll leave the link under the screen.

https://www.osnmedia.ru/politika/sivkov-nazval-istinnyh-vinovnyh-v-neudachah-svo-v-limane/

[shark507]

Quote: Free

I hope this is the beginning of a change from "peacetime" generals to real combat generals, success to him and all of us

And why should this general be different from Lapin and others?

Purely IMHO - but I would completely entrust "SVO" to Kadyrov and Strelkov.
In any case, not a "professional" military - there will definitely be no sense with these.

[rocket757]

Data on the appointment of a new commander of the Western Military District has been confirmed

Things stir up, confuse, POLITICAN!!!
The military are trying to unravel them, to stir them up, in their own, specific way!
What is the worst thing, often, those who messed up / confused, begin to get into cases in which, they, they can cause the most harm, then.

[Dingo]

Victor, but about all this - my link above ...

[rocket757]

hello
What can be expressed about this ... but like this:

The words "I would be glad to serve, It's sickening to serve" belong to Suvorov!

We see clearly, RESULT!!! those who have to SERVE begin to SERVE!
The most dangerous ... and now there is a lot of dangerous, disgusting and ... "strange" !!!

[ASM]

Good luck to him, I hope the change of personnel will benefit. The main thing is that he crushes the entire top with himself and partially dismisses him, so that no one will have a desire to slip thieves or screw them out of responsibility.

[Avsch]

General Zhuravlev was appointed to command the ZVO 4 years ago. And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

I don’t presume to judge, but I would like to understand the criteria for what they give a hero in the current army. Heroism is understandable, but what does the generals get for? Specifically, this person, what feat did he accomplish?

[former soldier]

Asked for help from Siberia? Please. Siberian, commanded including the Far East. We wish success to the new commander.

[Tagan]

Quote: DenVB

And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

Why are they all heroes? What, going to Syria is already heroism?

Did you go there during the war?
Apparently he was not there as a tourist. In Syria, there were different situations in my opinion. Many servicemen there really acted heroically.

[former soldier]

Quote: shark507

And why should this general be different from Lapin and others?
.

It happens when you have to appoint to a responsible position not from "their own", but someone who can really take out.

[tolmachiev51]

the situation dictates - there is no time for fat, to be, I would live.

[former soldier]

But I'm still not sure that this is the case. Will he be an independent figure within the powers granted to him.

[vvn_vl]

it's nice that the general began serving as a platoon, and did not immediately settle in the office

[Fizik13]

I wonder where the old commander is going to retire, to the deputies? Or another rotation?

[Sedoy]

and you friends don’t sit down ...
all from the same barrel...
tailored according to one pattern ...
from one system...
and the system does not take smart ones, only convenient ones ...
how many "generals" have already changed there ...
and "second in the world" is about nothing ...
"can correct something in the conservatory" ©

[former soldier]

If the commander is constantly beaten on the hands or given impossible instructions, then anyone will look like mediocrity as a result. And the task for all of them was apparently set in such a way that both the sheep are safe and the wolves are fed. Scroll through the story of Kadyrov's outrages. After his stormy comments, the invisible side of what is happening is apparently explained to him, and he becomes cheerful.

[Sedoy]

Yes, no one beats them on the hands - they have already been taken there with beaten off and not only hands ...
Judas from Ap...
there are also a couple of turrets, and each on its own backbone ...
well, the zits-president for the sake of it ...

[Mint Gingerbread]

Divide into "combat general" and "parquet general"
"Combat General" - Served. Participation in hostilities. Management of entrusted personnel during combat operations. Has practical experience.
"Parquet General" - Did not serve. Has no combat experience. He has no experience in managing entrusted personnel during hostilities. He has theoretical experience.

[bulava74]

Age of military commander years. We wish him success and .... GOOD LUCK!

[swan49]

I hope that Berdnikov is a worthy candidate. But only, as Mr. Gurulyov reported, the Regulations on the military district for wartime began to operate, i.e. the district, and, accordingly, its commander, does not fight. Main tasks: carrying out mobilization measures, organizing territorial and air defense, improving operational equipment, ensuring the passage of troops and military cargo through its territory, organizing general military training for the population, etc. Combines forces and means that are not part of the army, military commissariats, training, reserve and other formations.

[Yapet100]

Good luck to the new commander and victory over the enemy!

[pleschakovai]

We hope for the youth of the lieutenant general !!! And then the turn will reach the young generals, I see???

[Pane Kohanku]

God help the new commander and his soldiers. The main thing is not to make a mistake.

[igoist]

what kind of combat experience in Syria can come in handy in a real war, it’s one thing to drive Arabs with Kalash and rubber slippers, and call every 3 killed a field commander, and fight against an enemy technically equipped and trained in modern combat, against which you don’t even use aviation

[svit55]

All this shuffling of generals is complete garbage. It is necessary to create a single command center for all forces and one commander. And appoint A. Dyumin (a real Hero for the Crimea), a general, now the Tula governor, as commander. In deputies to him Kadyrov.

[Hadji Murat]

Kadyrov was promoted, obviously not for the post of head of the republic, he became a colonel general

[shark507]

Quote: svit55

And appoint A. Dyumin as commander (a real Hero for the Crimea)

I would like to know, so to speak, in order to increase general education - and what heroic did he do there in the Crimea?

[shark507]

Quote: Former soldier

It happens when you have to appoint to a responsible position not from "their own", but someone who can really take out.

And why is he "not his"? "Not your" generals do not become.

[shark507]

Quote from: vvn_vl

it's nice that the general began serving as a platoon

What happens differently?

[shark507]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

Help the Lord

God bless you, good luck...
That your brains will cope with no hope?

[wladimirjankov]

it was high time to make personnel decisions, and not only in the command of the districts, but also in the armies and the General Staff. And then there is already a feeling that in Russia and the army is not there. There are hundreds of thousands of contract soldiers, thousands of generals, several million security officials of various services, but it turns out that there is no one to fight especially if they mobilize 300 thousand men who once served, tearing them from their jobs. For some reason, our authorities believe that they are more prepared for war than all of the above. Then a legitimate question arises for what they receive salaries, titles, benefits, etc., if they are not ready for war and cannot and do not know how to do anything.

[tolmachiev51]

It is quite understandable - the General Staff identified the perpetrators !!! Gerasimov needs to start with his department.

[wladomir]

It is doubtful that the general who fought against the Mujahideen, driving them with aircraft and tanks across the desert, will also be able to effectively lead troops against a regular, well-armed army.

[former soldier]

Quote: Tagan

Quote: DenVB

And at the same time, Zhuravlev received the title of Hero of Russia.

Why are they all heroes? What, going to Syria is already heroism?

Did you go there during the war?
Apparently he was not there as a tourist. In Syria, there were different situations in my opinion. Many servicemen there really acted heroically.

Several senior officers died.

[hangar200]

Not ...... outfits of forces and means were announced to us ...... and? 1 result - delivery of the Russian city ....

[former soldier]

Quote: wladimirjankov

it was high time to make personnel decisions, and not only in the command of the districts, but also in the armies and the General Staff. And then there is already a feeling that in Russia and the army it is not.

There is an army and talented commanders in Russia. The fact is that there are still very large owners of property in Russia and in Ukraine and in Europe. All of them suffer from the aggravation of the situation. They would have found a compromise of interests in Europe long ago if it weren’t for the generalized uncle from across the ocean (their policies are just foam floating on top), who not only doesn’t need a compromise in Europe, it’s generally harmful. If the Ukrainian issue had been purely military, it would have been resolved as planned in February-April. And you all the army and commanders are not the same

[hangar200]

Everything is correct). Well done. that's all we have. Russian city surrendered. Et how?

[former soldier]

Read carefully what I wrote. Generals, lieutenants, privates all follow the orders of their superiors. Self-activity is contraindicated.

[waleri777]

Liquidly pulls up his people. It seems that our army is led only by bald Ukrainians. But they faithfully serve the Russian Tsar.

[FoBoss_V]

Guys, who may have served with him, studied with him, knows him... What kind of officer? Does he have honor or just shoulder straps? What to expect

[thrush68]

But why is it not heard or seen about demonstrative punishments for stealing rear officials, the shoulder straps of undergenerals flying off along with benefits???

[Hadji Murat]

Putin awarded Kadyrov the rank of colonel general, now we are waiting for a high appointment!

[Ranis]

The problem cannot be solved by removing generals. We need modern systems from industry. Then we need to figure out why the Moscow Region’s hands were tied for a long time, and even now. Do we want more losses? The issue is systemic.