The units of the allied forces that have withdrawn to Kremennaya are building fortifications, the enemy is concentrating reserves in the area of ​​Krasny Liman and Torsky

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The units of the allied forces that have withdrawn to Kremennaya are building fortifications, the enemy is concentrating reserves in the area of ​​Krasny Liman and Torsky

The political leadership of Ukraine has set the task for the military to crack the defenses of the Russian troops, take Kremennaya and develop an offensive deep into the territory of the LPR. It would be ideal for them to go to Lugansk and take it. According to Zelensky, this will help to kill all the negative from the loss of four regions. So the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not reckon with losses, they need to take advantage of the window of opportunity that has arisen due to the lack of reserves in the Russian troops.

After the withdrawal of our forces from Krasny Liman and retreat to Kremennaya, the enemy did not take active actions, apparently pulling up reserves and resupplying the units that had suffered losses in this direction. According to intelligence, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to gain a foothold in Krasny Liman itself and in Torsky. In the morning, the battles were reduced to an artillery duel, but inclement weather does not allow hitting aimingly. As ours stated, the bad weather played into the hands, allowing the construction of normal fortifications with the help of engineering equipment. Our mood is cheerful, we managed to move away from Liman without losses. But as noted, in order to defend normally, additional forces are needed.



The Armed Forces of Ukraine are hitting both Kremennaya itself and Rubizhne, trying to get the reserves of the Russian army that are being brought up. From Terny, attempts are being made to reach the highway to Svatovo, Ukrainian DRGs are operating. In general, the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate in this direction in small groups on two or three vehicles, making attempts to bypass our defensive lines. And forest areas only help them in this.

Presumably, the enemy will not attack Kremennaya in the forehead, suffering huge losses, but will try to go around it to the north and go to Svatovo. However, it is possible to attack this settlement from the side of Kupyansk. Here, how the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will decide how ours will organize defense. Kremennaya provides the defense of Lisichansk from the north. Meanwhile, in one of the directions, the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to gain a foothold in the direction of Lisichansk, but fell into a fire bag.

Now the Ukrainian media have begun to very actively disseminate information that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have crossed the administrative border of the LPR, and they are rejoicing, rejoicing. But in fact, the Ukrainian troops entered the fire bag and are actively being destroyed by our troops.

Andrey Marochko, a representative of the NM DPR, said.
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  1. -11
    3 October 2022 13: 16
    But in fact, the Ukrainian troops entered the fire bag and are actively being destroyed by our troops.
    We lure into fire bags ... and prepare for defense ....
    1. +8
      3 October 2022 13: 28
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      We lure into fire bags ... and prepare for defense ..

      What bags? We must not let them get stronger. It was hard and long to take cities, but how do we surrender?
      1. +8
        3 October 2022 13: 45
        reconnaissance .. reconnaissance ... reconnaissance !!! here it manifests itself ... they see it on the forums, but the satellites don’t see it ... read the fuck forums then, blind-witted generals ...
        1. +3
          3 October 2022 13: 55
          We need a good EW system so they can't see anything.
          1. -1
            3 October 2022 14: 06
            if children terry are already Russian, then Starlink is unnecessary to hang there, there is no one from Ukraine to transfer the Internet to. I think you need a small satellite in orbit below starlink. And the signaling down needs to start
            1. 0
              3 October 2022 20: 23
              Starlink satellites do not hang, but fly by. And they can't be banned. There are no state borders in space. Shooting down someone else's satellite is an incident of white. Does Russia need it??
          2. +1
            3 October 2022 14: 11
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            We need a good EW system so they can't see anything.

            so far only 1 channel ... so that we do not see.
          3. -5
            3 October 2022 14: 24
            We have electronic warfare, there Cook's crew was decommissioned from the destroyer without exception.
        2. +4
          3 October 2022 14: 28
          Here is what is written on the Military Chronicle website -
          “They lie in the office, but beat them in the field” - about the situation in the Nikolaev-Kryvyi Rih direction.
          Unfortunately, the situation with rampant lies continues. This is a disease that has affected the entire combat control system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This is an objective fact that should not be ashamed: it must be recognized and worked with.

          They lie about the number of troops on the ground. They lie about the degree of combat readiness of the units. Lies about the state of the art. And as a result, we get a break in the front in the Krivoy Rog direction, where, according to various sources, up to 100 pieces of enemy equipment managed to break through.
          On the Andreevsky sector in the area of ​​​​Sukhoi Stavka, Belogorka and the vicinity of Davydov Brod, the situation is similar: there is a lot of enemy equipment, the skill and skill of the defending units, which knock out the columns of Ukrainian formations, save. Yes, weather conditions are on our side now: due to rains and autumn thaws, the heavy equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot advance across the fields. But at the same time, the work of the army and tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces is becoming more difficult.

          In the southern direction, the former chief of staff of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Mikhail Teplinskiy, who this year received almost collapsed airborne troops from Andrei Serdyukov, is in charge. Dozens of familiar officers speak of the strategic and tactical genius of Teplinsky - everyone treats him with boundless respect, because the commander of the direction hears his subordinates.
          Now Teplinsky is responsible for the Kherson direction, leading the formations and units of not only the Airborne Forces, but also the Southern Military District. But for Mikhail Yuryevich to succeed, time is needed. And it is necessary to change the system of thinking of commanders in the field, who are sometimes simply afraid to report the objective situation. who don't want to work.
          Was there a chance to prevent such an accumulation of enemy forces in the Andreevsky and Krivoy Rog sectors? Why is everything always under control in Aleksandrovsky, Posad-Pokrovsky and Snigirevsky, but not in the northeast? Yes, this could have been avoided - if the commanders had heard the people from the field, and the commanders had heard in the higher authorities. (Fisher)
        3. kom
          0
          4 October 2022 16: 21
          I must say thanks to the fat Rogozin, for the blind satellites.
      2. +6
        3 October 2022 13: 57
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        It was hard and long to take cities, but how do we surrender?

        We sell mostly by running. And already silently.
        Torskoye was recently handed over, and the handing over was not even on the news. Either it is a shame to voice it already, or the surrendered settlement is again "of no operational interest."
        1. -6
          3 October 2022 14: 13
          Quote from: skeptick2
          Quote: SKVichyakow
          It was hard and long to take cities, but how do we surrender?

          We sell mostly by running. And already silently.
          Torskoye was recently handed over, and the handing over was not even on the news. Either it is a shame to voice it already, or the surrendered settlement is again "of no operational interest."

          retreated to advantageous positions, and the exhausted and tired enemies crawl somehow after ...
      3. +2
        3 October 2022 14: 44
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        We must not let them get stronger.

        The author clearly writes - ours are strengthened with the help of engineering technology.
        And Ukrainian troops are occupying Russian cities in small groups in two or three cars.
        1. 0
          3 October 2022 19: 03
          Quote: levfuks
          The author clearly writes - ours are strengthened with the help of engineering technology.

          This technique only digs trenches. They take advantage of the fact that there is no solid front line.
      4. +3
        3 October 2022 15: 11
        Can someone explain to me how to hide 100 (one hundred) units of heavy armored vehicles. Are they using an invisibility hat? Here, in my opinion, even satellites are not needed. Imagine an armada, and this is without taking into account light and auxiliary equipment. It turns out that we do not have intelligence from the word "absolutely". The situation repeats the situation in the Kharkov direction. Zavra turns out to be not a hundred, but 300 or more. And what's next? I'm talking about the Kherson direction.
    2. +7
      3 October 2022 14: 12
      Where is our aviation? Has the resource of aircraft engines and airframes been exhausted? Why are enemy positions not taken out from the air? What kind of total mess is there, why do cities give back with extraordinary ease? Why not keep the defense in Krasny Liman, because the city is essentially a chain of firing positions? Is it more convenient to prepare positions for defense in an open field? To make it easier for our military to be shot and beaten out at these positions? ??
    3. -2
      3 October 2022 14: 49
      If you stretch a bag to Voronezh, the entire population of Ukraine will fit there ....
  2. +19
    3 October 2022 13: 18
    Yes, Stalin would have shot these generals of mediocrity and traitors - corrupt ones, but the current Supreme Commander pities and justifies them, Strelkov is right 1000 times (I personally changed my attitude towards him) if we want defeat, then we can leave both the Ministry of Defense and the chief of the general staff in positions ((( There is nothing shameful in the shift, Stalin changed it, and the clown Zaluzhny dug up somewhere and turned out to be a good general, by the way, I understood his Zhytomyr humor when he called Gerasimov the greatest strategist of modern military thought, this is the sarcasm of the Lord.
    1. +10
      3 October 2022 13: 48
      In the current system, even the one who caused the king's wrath gets +/- an equivalent position.
      1. +15
        3 October 2022 13: 55
        Let me guess: will the Magadan military commissar be appointed to a position in Khabarovsk?
        1. +3
          3 October 2022 14: 22
          Quote: UAZ 452
          Let me guess: will the Magadan military commissar be appointed to a position in Khabarovsk?

          Castling, they can't do anything else. Remember: Putin-Medvedev and vice versa.
          1. 0
            3 October 2022 15: 27
            Quote: lis-ik
            Castling, they can't do anything else. Remember: Putin-Medvedev and vice versa.
            Mutko is the most striking example
      2. NKT
        +2
        3 October 2022 14: 00
        It’s hard for us with the staff of military commissars, practically a “piece” product, you can’t put everyone in his place))
      3. +2
        3 October 2022 14: 30
        He is the right man, so they found a place. And so it is with everyone.
      4. +1
        4 October 2022 10: 16
        Well, the supreme 22 years old was elected under the slogan: "And who else besides him?!!!" That's the whole team he has the same.
    2. +5
      3 October 2022 13: 59
      This is not exactly sarcasm, just normal people do not belittle their opponents, because the more valiant, stronger your enemy, the more glorious the victory over him, and losing is not so shameful. I can’t understand our habit of presenting the enemy in the form of half-wits, cowards, degenerates - victory over such an enemy will not impress anyone, and in case of defeat, the question is natural: if we lost to degenerates, then who are we?
      1. +1
        4 October 2022 10: 18
        Going to a strong opponent is scary. Yes, and you need to show your own "achievements". And what if they are not? Correctly!! Say that the neighbor is even worse.
  3. +17
    3 October 2022 13: 19
    Against the background of failures at the front, our talking heads began to change places with the Ukrainians during the beginning of the war. Now we have any zrada is called a great victory. Well, it’s not even funny to read and hear about how wonderful it is that the enemy broke through our flimsy defenses to a depth of twenty kilometers, because he is now in a fiery bag and almost a cauldron.
  4. +14
    3 October 2022 13: 22
    The loss of Liman, the withdrawal from the Kharkiv region - all these are the bitter fruits of the criminal military reform of 2008, when divisions and regiments in combat formations were replaced by battalion tactical groups in one echelon, when it was believed that only local conflicts of low intensity were ahead ... Meanwhile , a world war looms on the horizon, and it is unrealistic to hold back the extended front line of the BTG ...
    1. +5
      3 October 2022 13: 53
      Quote from Grig_bug
      The loss of Liman, the withdrawal from the Kharkiv region - all these are the bitter fruits of the criminal military reform of 2008, when divisions and regiments in combat formations were replaced by battalion tactical groups in one echelon, when it was believed that only local conflicts of low intensity were ahead ... Meanwhile , a world war looms on the horizon, and it is unrealistic to hold back the extended front line of the BTG ...

      I do not in any way justify the 2008 reforms (both myself and a bunch of colleagues suffered from them), but the BTG has been the scourge of the army since the 90s, when one or two consolidated BTGs were sent from regiments and even divisions to the Caucasus.
      Even if there had been no reforms and there would have been for the most part conscripts of two summers, then all the same, in full strength, the conditional regiment-brigade in the NVO could not leave, because only those called up (or even half-year-olds and up to a year, as in Chechnya) should be sent to it’s impossible, it’s not prepared, now it’s already 25-50 percent in the red and the same BTGr, only maybe more equipment, and the crews are thinner, or if the equipment is smaller, then the crews are full-blooded, but also consolidated .. And then losses begin and than fill them up? So it turns out that the flag of the brigade is on the map, and God forbid a reinforced battalion on the ground ...
    2. +6
      3 October 2022 14: 04
      For 10 years it was possible, if desired, to correct the consequences of any unsuccessful reforms. But it's so convenient to blame the predecessor. And the Tatar-Mongol yoke severely crippled the country.
      1. +1
        4 October 2022 10: 22
        And the Pechenegs?!! The Pechenegs have been forgotten!!! That's where the root of all troubles.! What are you even worried about. Heaven is guaranteed to us anyway. No wonder they built temples within walking distance. There are even inflatable landing chapels in the army. True, there are no communication systems, first-aid kits, long-range art systems, but what a park "Patriot" and the main temple of the Armed Forces rebuilt. +100% to the strength of the troops.
    3. +3
      3 October 2022 14: 06
      The loss of Liman, the withdrawal from the Kharkiv region - all these are the bitter fruits of the criminal military reform of 2008, when divisions and regiments in combat formations were replaced by battalion tactical groups in one echelon ...

      14 years have passed since this reform! Our "strategists" did not have time to understand that this is the wrong way? Didn't have enough time?
      1. +1
        3 October 2022 16: 36
        My commanders back in 2008 said that this reform was a weakening of the army.
    4. 0
      3 October 2022 14: 23
      I still cannot understand such a structure of military development, literally.
    5. +6
      3 October 2022 14: 32
      What are you talking about? Ukrainians managed to prepare their armed forces in 8 years, and the collapse there was terrible. And since 2008, everything has been back to back with us.
      1. -9
        3 October 2022 14: 38
        They didn't cook, but Nata. And this is a big difference. How Ukrainians cook was seen near Debaltseve and Ilovaisk.
        1. +1
          3 October 2022 15: 08
          Those. Do you think that we should not get involved with NATO at all? Look what they just prepared a herd of ukrov and those for you.
          Listen to Sladkov what he says
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb747f4xKj8
          1. SSA
            +3
            3 October 2022 16: 02
            When I served in the XNUMXs, our unit commander told us: remember guys! There was nothing left of the enormous strength of the USSR, of that unprecedented mass of troops. As for quality, if NATO attacks Russia, then our aviation will disappear in about a couple of days, the fleet, not counting nuclear submarines, in half a week, the ground forces will last maybe a month.
            And only the Strategic Missile Forces! Only our nuclear triad, the only thing that stops the West from destroying Russia. Everyone else, airborne troops, marines, tanks, guns, that's all to give us time to turn around! all these troops are rivets, in a shield called the Strategic Missile Forces.
            1. -3
              3 October 2022 17: 41
              What will and what will not be only the clairvoyant knows. Everyone was shouting that the contractors would deal with the Ukrainian amateurs. Split up? And how the first army of the world fled from the barmaley. dropping slippers? Anything can be predicted. Reality can put everything in its place. On paper, Nata is formidable. And what will it be like against Iran, North Korea, China? Maybe just like us against Sumeria? How is it: it was smooth on paper, but we got into gullies.
            2. +1
              3 October 2022 20: 31
              SSA It is absolutely unacceptable for a commander to speak like that to his subordinates. Even criminal! Looks like there was no political officer nearby, pull him up.
              1. +2
                4 October 2022 01: 36
                The commander could not say so, if only because the Strategic Missile Forces are in constant combat readiness, constantly deployed, well, only mobile complexes like Topol can enter the launch area. So this does not need weeks, a maximum of a couple of hours, but they can make launches directly from the hangars.
              2. 0
                4 October 2022 10: 28
                I was told the same thing in the XNUMXs. Only without specific numbers. And the political officer spoke. In our division, in principle, they did not particularly hide the fact that we should only have time to shoot back with "Topols" and at least the grass does not grow there. It is a pity that there is no longer that division of the Strategic Missile Forces, as well as the entire missile army. Optimization though.
                1. -1
                  4 October 2022 11: 37
                  Well, they said. Now what do you think? Looking at SVO? Poplars, help to win the war?
                  1. SSA
                    0
                    4 October 2022 12: 42
                    And I didn’t say that they would help win the CBO. I say and continue to say that we do not have a land army-armada of the times of the USSR! And the cumulative offensive of the ground forces of NATO, without the use of the Strategic Missile Forces, we will never be able to hold back! Not in a dream!
                    1. -1
                      4 October 2022 19: 02
                      All the more so, there are no armady armies in the NATO countries. And they don’t have a warrior, they snickered. And they will not go to the east, especially. And do not support them with the US tanks and infantry, only aircraft. And they won't even be able to defend their own countries. And they have weapons too advanced, not for the dirt of war, literally and figuratively. And the mass one is worse and less than the Russian one. So the matter will not come to strategic nuclear forces.
                      1. SSA
                        -1
                        5 October 2022 07: 35
                        Yes, yes, yes ... we have already seen the uselessness of NATO weapons and the absence of ground forces on the example of Yugoslavia and Iraq.
                      2. 0
                        7 October 2022 00: 43
                        Exactly. Under the power of NATO - Yugoslavia and Iraq. But neither is Russia.
                  2. 0
                    4 October 2022 14: 21
                    While Poplars and so on. they don’t just let the territory of the Russian Federation be leveled as in Iraq or Yugoslavia. The question is that we are being strangled gradually, but the Strategic Missile Forces are useless against this. Yes, and what good is a weapon, there is no courage to use it.
                    Missiles are useless against optimizers, efficient managers and thieves. And with our ministries of deep concern, seekers of decision centers and painters of red lines, even blasters and space cruisers will not help us.
          2. -2
            3 October 2022 17: 35
            We have already contacted.
            Yes, imagine - prepared. They had a task ahead of them and they completed it. Or are you unable to complete the task before you? Congratulations, you are unprofessional.
  5. +13
    3 October 2022 13: 24
    "Reserves are being pulled up" - this sounds from the reports on absolutely all sectors of the front, and for the past month. The question arises: how many of these same reserves do they have? They don't end at all. Does that happen, or am I not understanding something?
    1. +4
      3 October 2022 13: 26
      I agree, it’s also a mystery where so many trained warriors come from, it’s that it turns out in Ukraine, and not in China, 1,5 billion. population?
    2. +13
      3 October 2022 13: 28
      Yes, it’s just that Ukraine’s losses are much less than they say + they had half a year to train and collect reserves while the Russian army was hardly moving forward.
      1. +13
        3 October 2022 13: 33
        judging by the reports of ensign Konashenkov, then already 3 times everyone should have been destroyed
        1. -2
          3 October 2022 14: 54
          So it is - everyone was killed to zero.
          These are some kind of demons, spirits of a rod and a rod.
        2. 0
          3 October 2022 15: 32
          Quote: rotkiv04
          judging by the reports of ensign Konashenkov, then already 3 times everyone should have been destroyed
          so they destroy it. "Kraken" for example
      2. +4
        3 October 2022 14: 22
        But how they scoffed at the Ukrainians in our media that they have the front line defenders, and the most capable troops are trained and armed in the rear. After six months of coordination, these units appeared on the front line, in the form of a shock fist, and several fists at that. In our country, I’m sure that they won’t even give a month for combat training to the mobilized - hysteria will begin on the basis of defeats, and most importantly, because of the generals’ panic fear of responsibility, and those called up in the coming days, untrained, plainly unarmed, will be thrown to plug the breakthroughs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, like the divisions of the people's militia in the 41st.
        1. +1
          3 October 2022 14: 44
          Quote: UAZ 452
          But how they scoffed at the Ukrainians in our media that they have the front line defenders, and the most capable troops are trained and armed in the rear. After six months of coordination, these units appeared on the front line, in the form of a shock fist, and several fists at that. In our country, I’m sure that they won’t even give a month for combat training to the mobilized - hysteria will begin on the basis of defeats, and most importantly, because of the generals’ panic fear of responsibility, and those called up in the coming days, untrained, plainly unarmed, will be thrown to plug the breakthroughs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, like the divisions of the people's militia in the 41st.

          Be that as it may, but in the 41st they defended Moscow! And the reserves came from Siberia! And that's not close at all! Locomotive traction, lack of rolling stock, then they didn’t know about auto-blocking at all, and yet .....
          And now?
          1. AAK
            -7
            3 October 2022 14: 55
            And now the reserves from Siberia and the Far East are not going anywhere, they are there, like, in case of a Japanese-Korean landing ...
          2. +1
            4 October 2022 10: 32
            Yeah. And Moscow was also defended by divisions from Kazakhstan. Which began to form in JULY 1941!! For example, the famous Panfilovskaya. They are from Alma-Ata. It was they who held the front while the Siberians were driving. For 3 months they formed, trained (albeit at a minimum) and sent to the front for thousands of kilometers. And our gouging for 7 months did not even prepare for mobilization.
            1. 0
              5 October 2022 06: 25
              Quote: Single-n
              Yeah. And Moscow was also defended by divisions from Kazakhstan. Which began to form in JULY 1941!! For example, the famous Panfilovskaya. They are from Alma-Ata. It was they who held the front while the Siberians were driving. For 3 months they formed, trained (albeit at a minimum) and sent to the front for thousands of kilometers. And our gouging for 7 months did not even prepare for mobilization.

              And I'm talking about it! Siberia, Kazakhstan - in order to transfer troops to such distances at that time, incredible efforts had to be made! And nothing, we managed ... And now? Question: What does it all depend on? It seems to me that the solution to this issue depends primarily on who has all the power and who has the most exhaustive information!
              1. 0
                5 October 2022 10: 36
                Rather, from the desire to act and this chief and his entourage.
      3. 0
        3 October 2022 14: 40
        Yes, nonsense about smaller losses. Konashenkov may have exaggerated, but not by much. The Americans themselves called in areas of 200 thousand. They just don't care about losses. In the sense of Zele, Arestovich and other camarillas. Or do you think they will remain in a torn country?
        1. -2
          3 October 2022 15: 47
          Quote: Nickelium
          Yes, nonsense about smaller losses. Konashenkov may have exaggerated, but not by much. The Americans themselves called in areas of 200 thousand. They just don't care about losses. In the sense of Zele, Arestovich and other camarillas. Or do you think they will remain in a torn country?

          Konashenkov? Yes, demote this lieutenant general to lieutenant and to the front line, command a platoon! am
          1. -1
            3 October 2022 17: 01
            Maybe first Shoigu, Silyanov, Nabiulin and Grefs? A good combo will work.
        2. -4
          3 October 2022 16: 55
          stop whistling, one came up with it and it went off. There is a retired general and lost and then found
    3. +14
      3 October 2022 13: 33
      Quote: Alexy
      "Reserves are being pulled up" - this sounds from the reports on absolutely all sectors of the front, and for the past month. The question arises: how many of these same reserves do they have? They don't end at all. Does that happen, or am I not understanding something?

      They have reserves of the whole country in the amount of 40 million and the "civilized world" as an MTO.
      But there are no questions where our command has been "regrouping, strengthening and reinforcing" for several months now?
      There seems to be movement, but there are no results ... Moreover, for the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over which the entire VO was laughing for 2 months and the General Staff apparently giggled, for some reason they were suddenly not ready ... It turned out to be sudden ...
      And now the "allied troops" are again leveling their positions and "fixing themselves in more advantageous areas", and the generals puff out their cheeks and argue why this happened and why no one is to blame ....
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 13: 37
        There are no 40 million there for a long time, at most 20 million will be typed
        1. 0
          3 October 2022 15: 39
          Quote: Vladimir M
          There are no 40 million there for a long time, at most 20 million will be typed

          If you only mean men of all ages, then a little less I guess.
          If you are talking about the total population in the territories controlled by Ukraine, then I do not agree with you.
          Despite the fact that you answered this thesis
          Quote: ian
          They have reserves of the whole country in the amount of 40 million
          , where the author clearly means "general population", it is not very clear what exactly you mean by 20 million - who is in the reserve (only men, or the children of the old woman all together) and why exactly 20 !?
          I agree that the total population is no longer 40, but it's far from 20 either. I'm interested in reading your approximate estimates, and I'm ready to share mine in response if you're interested.
          1. -1
            3 October 2022 16: 11
            The entire population in Ukraine was 40 million in 2000, subtract the population of Donetsk, Lugansk regions, Crimea, who left the country, the natural population decline, and that turns out to be no more than 20 million. Yes for 1991. It was 52 million.
            1. +1
              3 October 2022 17: 46
              Yes, that's what I thought, thanks.
              As of 01.01.2000/49,430/9.5 - XNUMX you have already lost XNUMX million.
              As of 01.01.2014 - 45, 426
              Quote: Vladimir M
              subtract the population of Donetsk, Luhansk regions, Crimea

              Some moved to controlled territories. One can argue about which part, but the fact remains. If there are not many from the Crimea, then decently from the LDNR.

              Population for 2014:
              Crimea is less than 2, according to my estimates, about 0.2 left for controlled - the military who did not swear allegiance to the Russian Federation and their families, and active nationalists - there were not many of them in Crimea.
              LDNR is about 6.5 (two regions and two regional centers together), according to my estimates, they remained in Ukraine-controlled (this is almost 70% of the territory, but without Lugansk and Donetsk) and left for the controlled in total up to 2 mil. I think another 1-1,5 million left for Russia from hostilities. All the same, Ukraine lost 4,5 million.

              Early 2022:
              Kherson and the region - only 1 million. Approximately 0.3 left from March to June to the EU through Russia or directly to the controlled, then the exit was closed.
              Zaporozhye and region - 1,6. Only part of the region without the regional center is occupied, and some part of it has left. Considering that in the region (including Melitopol) it is less than 0.8, and part of the region near Ukraine and another part of the population left, I estimate the loss of Ukraine in terms of population as 0.4 million.
              In the Donetsk HP at 22m - Mariupol, Volnovakha and nearby - 0.4 million. Spacious territories of the Luhansk PR, but very sparsely populated, especially after 2014 - 0.1 mil.

              What did I forget? Military losses are not yet worth counting - these are not millions. Where do you disagree?
              Total less than 7,9 million.
              We left for the EU, WB, USA, Canada - 4,6, keep in mind that these are 99% women and children. This is for the second question.
              Total 45.5 -7.9 - 4.6= 33 million left.
              But not 20!
              1. +1
                3 October 2022 17: 58
                There is a small nuance, in Ukraine the last population census was in my opinion in 2001, but I could be wrong for 1 year. After that, they covered several times to conduct a census, but each time they put it off, explaining that there was no money. Then they admitted that the money was for the census, but decided not to spend anyway. We calculated the population by bread, it turned out about 33 million in 2013. So, if I was wrong, then not by much.
                1. 0
                  3 October 2022 19: 24
                  Quote: Vladimir M
                  The last census was in my opinion in 2001,

                  I agree with this. So what is the result of this census? 48,5 million 2 years after 01.01.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                  Quote: Vladimir M
                  We calculated the population by bread, it turned out about 33 million in 2013.

                  Did not met. Give me a link, I'll take a look, I'm interested.
                  I would add an amendment to the fact that Ukrainians have a cult of food, they cook a lot, tasty and never stop themselves in food, and therefore 33 million Ukrainians can eat as an average of 45 million.
                  There is also an indirect census according to mobile operators in 2019, there are 37,3 million without Crimea and LDNR. Do you want a link?
                  1. +2
                    3 October 2022 20: 21
                    I will not argue about the population, but then they still said that in the first 10 years of "independence" Ukraine lost 10 million people and during the 2001 census. just added up to 48 million. And then somehow it didn’t look beautiful - under the USSR in 91. - 52 million, and after 10 years of independence in 2001. - already 40 million
          2. -1
            3 October 2022 17: 07
            What's the point of not agreeing? There have been no 40 for a long time. And since February, 20 lyams are being recruited. True, I do not take into account the losses.
            1. +3
              3 October 2022 19: 40
              Quote: Nickelium
              What's the point of disagreeing? There have been no 40 for a long time. And since February, 20 lyams are being recruited.

              What's the point of having your own opinion if it doesn't match yours? Even if my opinion is based on many numbers and 7 paragraphs of text, and yours in a nutshell:
              Quote: Nickelium
              since February lyam 20 and recruited

              I have the same as you, dad said - midshipman of the Far Eastern Fleet. Thank God that I'm already fifty dollars, and I can not even agree with my dad, even more so with you.
              And look for the meaning yourself. If you don't find it, I can't help.
              1. -3
                3 October 2022 22: 38
                Does it mean that you're on the other side? Well, I would say so. Why lie about dad. So whether you agree or not, you are exactly 20 lyams. Or maybe less.
                1. +1
                  5 October 2022 16: 51
                  Quote: Nickelium
                  Why lie about dad.

                  You have already attributed to me in this thread only that the comments are paid, and the lies about dad, and the fact that I am fired.
                  I can't prove anything to you anyway.
                  People who everywhere see others as possible traitors, liars or venal for money, are usually themselves capable of such acts. It usually has nothing to do with who they look up to. Read more about psychological projection.
                  I do not think that you write for money, although I have already seen 3 signs of propaganda in your texts addressed only to me, somehow I did not notice your other comments. But I am not yet ready to accuse you of propaganda manipulations.
                  You do not like my opinion - ok, but that does not make me corrupt and a liar.
                  So, no matter what you write, but my dad is a midshipman of the Far Eastern Fleet !!, and I myself was born in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
                  1. -2
                    5 October 2022 17: 59
                    The son of a midshipman, if not corrupt, then there is no point in making excuses. And you already rolled a whole sheet. So you are - tsipsoshnik and a liar. Just think of a father pilot of the Caspian flotilla next time. Or the Baltics. And you're walking too far.
                    1. -1
                      7 October 2022 10: 28
                      Quote: Nickelium
                      If it weren't for corruption, then there's no point in making excuses.

                      Throwing accusations that are true because a person begins to make excuses? Great method. Stupid truth, but very effective hi
                      1. 0
                        7 October 2022 16: 17
                        It's stupid to shout like I'm for the idea. Ideological all laid down their heads long ago. And those who shout it for a long time for the green and purple idea works. So come up with something smarter.
                      2. -1
                        8 October 2022 10: 18
                        Well, I'm already a seller. Sofkar was right - a person who sees in all traitors or measures everyone by himself or is simply sick hi
                      3. 0
                        8 October 2022 16: 29
                        The one who screams for an idea is the biggest traitor. Spin - don't spin it won't help you.
        2. -1
          6 October 2022 18: 52
          If you counted, then let 20. Does this fundamentally change the matter?
      2. -1
        3 October 2022 14: 41
        40 have not been there since 2014. God forbid 20. Yes, and in principle they do not feel sorry for burning their people. Mykola will run out, Oksanok will be thrown.
        1. +1
          3 October 2022 15: 42
          Only mykol 20? Or Mykol and Oksanok together 20?
          1. -2
            3 October 2022 17: 05
            Together essno. Along with the elderly. Although they can be thrown into the fire.
      3. 0
        3 October 2022 18: 08
        Before the beginning of the military reserve, the reserve was estimated at 1,5 - 2 million. This is from 18 to 60 years. Taking into account those who have fallen down, there are no more than a million, and most likely, about 700 - 800 thousand. Even if they are provided with everything necessary, it is impossible to make assault formations out of them in such a short time. And I don’t believe in the fact that they just throw meat.
    4. +3
      3 October 2022 13: 41
      The ruling "elite" of the Russian Federation kindly granted Kyiv 6 months to mobilize and prepare new formations. Now these fresh, trained and motivated mobilizers are simply demolishing "professional" contract soldiers who are abandoning hundreds of equipment.
    5. +3
      3 October 2022 14: 33
      From the reports a lot of things sound. And they had no aviation left, but suddenly and unexpectedly, Ukrainian aviation was actively working in the Limansky direction. Where???
      1. -2
        3 October 2022 14: 51
        I say for sure - a necromancer wound up there, or even more than one. Moreover, he resurrects the fallen fighters directly with equipment, probably already refueled and with full ammunition.
        1. 0
          3 October 2022 17: 06
          If you have such a device as Nata, then no necromancers are needed. There are not - necromancers, but - necromongers. And our Riddick, somewhere in a black hole, got stuck.
    6. -1
      4 October 2022 09: 57
      In 91, America assembled a coalition of 600 people for as much as 6 months. And then they kicked Saddam out of Kuwait in three weeks.
  6. -4
    3 October 2022 13: 32
    Yes. How pleasing are the experts who telepathically find out what "Zelensky thinks", what tasks the "Political leadership of Ukraine" sets for the military, and in general, they read the thoughts of Biden, Trump, Putin and the Kremlin ...

    These guys will be fine...

    On the other hand, everything is well described. They themselves climb into the fire bag
  7. -6
    3 October 2022 13: 32
    The question has long been asking - where are our ODAB-100500?
    1. +2
      3 October 2022 14: 11
      Any free-falling bomb is now applicable only against the enemy without any air defense, that is, against the barmaley, but not the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But why the command of the Aerospace Forces was not aware of this fact, the question is interesting. De facto, most of their arsenal turned out to be suitable for use only as engineering ammunition.
  8. +12
    3 October 2022 13: 33
    "Kremennaya provides the defense of Lisichansk from the north" - deja vu? Like a couple of months ago the city was under siege? What's again? Famously, we changed places .... And we haven’t started yet ...... Another hernia near Kherson ..... The front fell down ..... Something I’m already starting to be afraid of .... - if we start ..... Such undertakings are better without continuation ...
    1. +15
      3 October 2022 13: 44
      When the Supreme Commander says that we have not started yet and that we will look at this counter-offensive, it gives the impression that he is not in control of the situation or is receiving "crooked" reports from his General Staff .. As a result, we have what we have now.
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 14: 07
        what else will we see
        I just want to ask: Well, what did you see?
      2. +2
        3 October 2022 14: 18
        I'm afraid he has been living in a parallel reality for a long time.
      3. -1
        3 October 2022 14: 32
        Quote: Yapet100
        When the Supreme Commander says that we have not started yet and that we will look at this counter-offensive, it gives the impression that he is not in control of the situation or is receiving "crooked" reports from his General Staff .. As a result, we have what we have now.

        He knows and understands everything, probably everything goes with his consent and permission. They took him and his gang very tightly for the causal place.
      4. -1
        3 October 2022 15: 07
        The enemy knows perfectly well how rotten everything is, how "thin legs" and weak points of genius are. Maybe they know something about the BEGINNING.
        Quote: Yapet100
        As a result, we have what we have now.

        The enemy acts simply but confidently and has.
  9. +5
    3 October 2022 13: 43
    And where is our heavy artillery ..., where is our unforgettable hero Konashenkov. For a long time there are no his devastating performances. So they can’t cope at the forefront ...
    1. -1
      3 October 2022 13: 49
      Quote: mortido
      where is our unforgettable hero Konashenkov. For a long time there are no his devastating performances.

      on the "front" is probably gaining 200 ...
    2. -2
      3 October 2022 14: 13
      He apparently still counts the Ukrainian losses per day.
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      1. 0
        3 October 2022 16: 20
        Quote: Nickelium
        why did they get to the bottom of Konashenkov? He is a doll, a talking parrot.

        Isn't he a public servant? Also with a special military rank? It also probably belongs to the second or third category or class? (already forgot what is the category and what is the class, but it is in the top anyway)
        Even an ordinary government official should act only in the manner prescribed by law.
        Quote: Nickelium
        Apparently the MO pays well to quickly translate the arrows

        Is this an unfair advantage? Isn't he a person with administrative and administrative functions? Even the head of the legal department of a PRIVATE company is liable as an official (although he is not an official and does not work for the state), simply because he has the ARF ex officio. And an ordinary lawyer of a private company is not subject to such liability, because he is not a state official and not a person with ARF, but an ordinary civil servant is already subject, he does not have ARF, but he is in the civil service.

        Everything came together at Konashenkov at once - a state official, of the highest category (or class), with a special military rank, head of a ministry department (with a full ARF), and not some, but defense.
        This is bingo in the 4th degree - on the limit of responsibility.
        He will not be able to say later: "I was ordered, I am a parrot", and even more so he will not be able to say: "I was well paid."
        And you say - "got to the bottom" ....
        1. -4
          3 October 2022 16: 57
          Yes, yes, it was Konashenkov who failed the operation to defend the Kharkov region and Krasny Liman. Not bad, you get paid well. There, even the military correspondents connected Lapin to excuse him.
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            1. -2
              3 October 2022 22: 23
              Yes of course. Therefore, your brethren are actively defending Lapin. What, does he have a compromising agent?
              1. -2
                3 October 2022 22: 24
                For an idea in greens or British pounds? Maybe in Swiss francs? How much is an idea worth today?
                1. -2
                  3 October 2022 22: 28
                  I didn’t understand: you are either a complete dolbo "" or Konashenkov took your wife away. This, damn it, Konashenkov withdrew troops from Kyiv, Sumy, Chernigov? Konashenkov heroically draped from the Kharkiv region? Konashenkov was at the control of the Hymars? You either go to sleep or don't fall like that. And then you have Konashenkov - some kind of Clark Kent or Barry Allen.
              2. 0
                5 October 2022 16: 01
                Oh, it's a pity the administration deleted my comment, although I agree with her decision - he was a little emotional.
                I'll bring a part of it here, removing the curses, let's see if they delete it again. -
                Beginning of a self-quote.
                When you write, Nickelium, it seems that you are delusional (c)
                Quote: Nickelium
                they pay you well. There, even the military correspondents connected Lapin to excuse him.

                (removed one sentence - yes, there were curses)
                The attitude towards military officers is rather cautious. Nobody pays me, I am for the idea, like most of the forum here, unlike you.

                Quote: Nickelium
                it was Konashenkov who failed the operation to defend the Kharkov region and Krasny Liman

                You are changing the previous topic. It's already a sign. Konashenkov is not to blame for the failure, but for the fact that he, as the head of the information department of the Moscow Region, does not tell the truth.
                (I removed one sentence - maybe it was removed for it)
                And Kharkiv and Liman are not his responsibility, I definitely agree. But we were talking about something else.
                End of self-quote.

                I want to make it clear what you answered for all the next three iterations - about pounds-francs, a wife, drapiheimers.

                And once again for you, having "already overslept" for almost 2 days))) - I am equally sure that Lapin, that Konashenkov, that Shoigu, that Kadyrov.
                1. -1
                  5 October 2022 16: 30
                  Uncle, so I repeat, how much is the idea today, answer? Or the spirit is not enough to admit?
                2. -1
                  5 October 2022 16: 33
                  Konashenkov should not tell the truth. He is an official. Whatever they put him in, he says. I'll tell you even more, uncle. even your relatives don’t tell you the truth about what they actually did. And you, ahah, want it from Konashenkov. Either you've been in a coma for 20 years, or you're just a stupid person. Choose yourself.
  10. +4
    3 October 2022 13: 49
    in fact, Ukrainian troops entered the fire bag and are actively destroyed by our troops
    This week will show. I'm tired of promises. For some reason, I, who have long passed the military age, are hurt and offended by the "regroupings" so that my hands itch, and our leadership, as it were, in parallel. I really want to be wrong.
  11. 0
    3 October 2022 13: 49
    first you need the RF IC to check all the officials of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, and appoint Kadyrov to those who look, otherwise it becomes scary for Russia and speak, albeit bitter, but the truth, or the generals are afraid of losing their warm, familiar places, many can be replaced by the military, who have already fought and retired due to injury
  12. +4
    3 October 2022 13: 50
    I think they won't reach Moscow until December. Screen.
    1. +1
      3 October 2022 14: 01
      There is information that Mirolyubovka is under the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there it is already 17 km to Kherson airport in a straight line ...
      1. +3
        3 October 2022 14: 09
        Mirolyubovka is in every district. Specifically, here we are talking about the one near Arkhangelsk and Vysokopolye. Most likely, all the small villages were also left there and they will be occupied, and the defense around Oleksandrovka will be built. But the minus there is that there is no flank, only farms with three huts.


        Today we went to Borovaya - this is the last village in the Kharkov region under the allied forces. Actually, from there the troops were taken to Svatovo - where the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Kupyansk and the second group from the Limansky section are already going - which did not go to Kremennaya, but to the north to clean up villages and towns. There is a question - will there be a r. The stallion is an obstacle or it is crossed over bridges in many places and then it’s within reach and even shot with an old howitzer to Svatovo.
        1. -1
          3 October 2022 14: 49
          Well ... maybe they mixed it up in the summary, but it was indicated - the Kherson region ...
          1. 0
            3 October 2022 15: 17
            So this is the Kherson region, there are 3 or 4 peaceful people in it wink
        2. SSA
          -1
          3 October 2022 16: 10
          Great card. Where did they take it? Who portrays the situation so well? Throw off the link
          1. 0
            3 October 2022 17: 38
            there you can see
            https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/
  13. 0
    3 October 2022 13: 54
    "But in fact, the Ukrainian troops entered the fire bag and are actively being destroyed by our troops" - they rejoice at the topwar, although there are no shots of this action, and adversaries on the border of the LPR, but most importantly, faith in miracles ...
  14. +5
    3 October 2022 14: 06
    At first I did not believe my eyes, then I was convinced again that this info was from the official cart of the Moscow Region:

    The active phase of exercises with the collective forces of the CSTO has started in the south of Kazakhstan

    In the Zhambyl region of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the active phase of several combat training events of the Collective Rapid Reaction Forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization has started: the command-staff exercise "Interaction", as well as the special exercises "Search" and "Echelon", which are respectively conducted with intelligence officers and specialists in material -technical support.

    The opening ceremony was attended by the CSTO Deputy Secretary General Takhir Khairulloev, the head of the CSTO Joint Staff, Colonel General Anatoly Sidorov, and representatives of the armed forces of the countries participating in the exercises. ...


    Where are our troops, you asked? Answer: at the exercises in Kazakhstan!!!
    1. 0
      3 October 2022 14: 35
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Where are our troops, you asked? Answer: at the exercises in Kazakhstan!!!

      I wrote about this three or four days ago, they didn’t believe it, they threw minuses.
    2. 0
      3 October 2022 14: 47
      Quote: Corona without virus
      which are respectively conducted with scouts and logistics specialists.

      How symbolic ... We just don’t have intelligence properly, nor supplies ... We still haven’t completed our studies.
  15. +4
    3 October 2022 14: 19
    If now our grouping is not gathering on the border to attack Sumy and bypass Kharkov, or Kharkov itself, or at worst in the medical rivers of Donets and Oskol, then it’s probably better to close the shop, because you can’t fight like that, but we don’t seem to know how to do otherwise .
    1. +1
      3 October 2022 14: 56
      One problem. It will now be decided when and where the shop will be closed not in Moscow, but in Kyiv and, to a greater extent, in Washington.
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 15: 36
        the shop can no longer be closed, only victory
        1. -1
          3 October 2022 20: 06
          This is certainly, everyone agrees with this, but whose? But with this, the parties have disagreements.
          1. 0
            4 October 2022 09: 47
            Like in an old joke.
            "I have a disagreement with them on the agrarian question.
            - What's that?
            -I think that they should all lie in the ground, they think the other way around"
    2. -3
      3 October 2022 15: 12
      Quote: Cartalon
      maybe it's better to close shop

      So they say they haven't started trading yet. "Coupons" are being heavily distributed. It's about to open.
  16. +3
    3 October 2022 14: 23
    Quote: kor1vet1974
    We lure into fire bags ... and prepare for defense ....

    Didn't you happen to write comments in the "slow and sure" style, when others yelled out loud that you couldn't pull?
    What the hell is a fire bag? The enemy develops his offensive, the initiative is completely with him, and a miracle must happen so that the entire front does not collapse.
    1. +2
      3 October 2022 14: 27
      In order for the front to collapse, it is minimally necessary for it to be present, but in general, after the collapse near Kharkov, was the line of defense created then? Because the Ukrainians are moving, it looks like there is no line of defense at all, and the defense from Kharkov to Donetsk is just a solid hole of several hundred kilometers ...
      1. 0
        3 October 2022 15: 16
        Quote from Cheburek
        it looks like there is no line of defense at all

        Apparently it is. Or so. The enemy knows about it and just rushing.
      2. -1
        3 October 2022 15: 35
        and it wasn’t, there were strongholds ..................
        1. 0
          4 October 2022 09: 51
          If we REALLY had an advantage in art and the Air Force, this ego could be enough. And so our generals cheerfully reported on the "development" of thousands of tons of shells with near zero efficiency. And they reported that we had air supremacy. And now it turned out that this was all bullshit, only good against untrained militias.
  17. 0
    3 October 2022 14: 25
    Quote: Cartalon
    If now our grouping is not gathering on the border to attack Sumy and bypass Kharkov, or Kharkov itself, or at worst in the medical rivers of Donets and Oskol, then it’s probably better to close the shop, because you can’t fight like that, but we don’t seem to know how to do otherwise .

    Not going to. Such things could have been believed a few months ago. And now the command of our armed forces has shown complete unpreparedness.
    The only way out, apart from, of course, the use of nuclear weapons, is the concentration of the Aerospace Forces in order to inflict serious losses on the enemy, regardless of losses. Our army has no other trump cards.
    1. 0
      3 October 2022 15: 10
      And these videoconferencing will simply cease to exist
      1. -1
        3 October 2022 20: 16
        If Ukrainian air defense, even before mass deliveries of Western equipment, is an insurmountable obstacle for our Aerospace Forces, then what are they for at all? Even if they can launch missiles only from their own airspace, it is easier and more efficient to focus on the production of ground-launched missiles. And the accumulated arsenal of free-falling bombs, all these FABs, ODABs, if they cannot be converted into planning options, it is easier to simply write off, like the NURSs that our attack aircraft launch from a cabriolet somewhere in the direction of the enemy.
        It turns out that there is no point in saving our VKS for the war with Nata - they will not be useful there.
  18. -5
    3 October 2022 14: 36
    Ammunition, replenishment, evacuees do not travel through forests and gullies, but rather along bridges, roads, railroads and rivers. This means that we have certain difficulties with space, aerial reconnaissance, reconnaissance and destruction, and electronic warfare systems. At the first stage, it would be worth asking the guilty, taking into account the punctures and briskly taking on the elimination of the causes. Then there is the question, our pipes with gas are blowing up, and why do US satellites fly over Ukraine? Maybe it's time for them to start spoiling and smelling burnt. And a random missile could well have shot down an American AWACS aircraft. Anything happens in a war. You can't follow everything. A pilot who shot down such a target by mistake can, in principle, be declared an NSS. They say it's to blame, he will improve further in the heroic service. There, under Kuchma, ukrovoyaks shot down our passenger. And nothing. Kuchma blurted out something about the fact that anything can happen at the exercises. And then there are the military operations. You have to be careful not to fly anywhere.
    1. 0
      3 October 2022 16: 58
      Or maybe a simple answer, we can only shoot down on paper?
  19. +5
    3 October 2022 14: 37
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine have to drive the last nail into the coffin of the SVO in the Zaporozhye region. Further, only the LPR, DPR and Crimea. The front is frankly collapsing. How many fans of "we can repeat" who consider NATO and the United States to be weaklings will remain interesting?
    1. -3
      3 October 2022 15: 33
      a lot will remain, all those who fled abroad
  20. -2
    3 October 2022 14: 42
    Oh Suvorov, we do not have enough modern!
  21. +1
    3 October 2022 14: 49
    And to do what? I am against this operation. But we are pinched. Where to steer. On the one hand, debt, on the other hand, whose debt? How can a poor peasant break? I can spoil the skin for myself, but only understanding why?
  22. +1
    3 October 2022 14: 54
    Quote: UAZ 452
    But how they scoffed at the Ukrainians in our media that they have the front line defenders, and the most capable troops are trained and armed in the rear. After six months of coordination, these units appeared on the front line, in the form of a shock fist, and several fists at that. In our country, I’m sure that they won’t even give a month for combat training to the mobilized - hysteria will begin on the basis of defeats, and most importantly, because of the generals’ panic fear of responsibility, and those called up in the coming days, untrained, plainly unarmed, will be thrown to plug the breakthroughs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, like the divisions of the people's militia in the 41st.

    yes, there is a fear that all 300 thousand will be literally torn apart by company.
    1. 0
      4 October 2022 10: 35
      Considering that the first batches have ALREADY been sent to the Donbass, such as for study. As if there are no training grounds and training centers in the country. That is ALREADY gone.
  23. 0
    3 October 2022 15: 24
    Quote: Kronos
    And these videoconferencing will simply cease to exist

    During World War I, Russian battleships in the Baltic never fired at the enemy. And then they were no longer needed.
    Aerospace Forces are needed now, when ours are dying on earth.
  24. +2
    3 October 2022 15: 31
    First, they waited for the concentration of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Balakleya and lured them into a fire bag, then at the Red Estuary. But either the bag turned out to be full of holes, or not fire at all. In World War II, without drones and satellites, our gunners and rocket launchers on Katyushas ironed the Germans by the thousands. And now, having all the modern means of reconnaissance, we cannot detect and destroy concentrated forces with overwhelming air superiority? Where are the thousands of hailstorms, tornadoes and hurricanes with self-guided cassettes that iron the concentrated Armed Forces of Ukraine for days, where is strategic aviation like in Syria? It smacks of some kind of drain from the top management of the Moscow Region.
  25. -1
    3 October 2022 17: 53
    What do Ukrainians have in mind? Very funny
  26. kom
    0
    4 October 2022 16: 33
    It seems that the liberal elite is carrying out the destruction of all patriots of the fatherland.