The enemy took Krasny Lyman into an operational encirclement, attempts are being made to cut off the supply

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The enemy took Krasny Lyman into an operational encirclement, attempts are being made to cut off the supply

In the northern direction, the situation remains rather complicated, the enemy continues to make attempts to encircle Krasny Liman, cutting off his supply. The attack on the city is carried out from three directions, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are rushing to the borders of the LPR.

On Thursday evening, the situation in the Krasny Liman area looked like this: attacks on the city were carried out from three directions, in fact, Krasny Liman is in an operational encirclement. Despite this, all attempts by the enemy to take the city ended in failure, the garrison held on. The enemy is shelling the city with artillery and MLRS, including HIMARS.



To the north of the city, the enemy occupied Kolodezi, Zelenaya Dolina and cut the Svatovo-Makievka-Terny-Liman road. An attempt was made to reconnaissance in combat towards Zarechny, but having suffered losses from artillery fire, the Armed Forces of Ukraine retreated. Zarechny is the last road connecting Krasny Liman with the territory controlled by ours. Attacks on Zarechnoye come from two directions.


To the west of the Liman, the Armed Forces of Ukraine occupied Shandrigolovo and Novoselka, but ran into Drobyshevo, where the fighters of the volunteer detachment BARS-13 (“Russian Legion”) and the 20th combined-arms army of the RF Armed Forces hold the defense.

As of this morning, there are still no positive changes. There is information that our people are being squeezed out of Yampol. According to the WarGonzo TG channel, the withdrawal of our units is covered by MLRS, which have been working all night on the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, pulled up to Yampol. Attacks on Drobyshevo continue. But there is no objective information, there are no military correspondents in that direction.

According to the TG channel Older Edda, the night was very difficult and the day will not be better. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are crushing by numbers, regardless of losses. According to some reports, reinforcements are brought directly to the front line, without diverting units to the rear. On Thursday, from near Drobyshevo, it was reported that all the forest plantations near the city were clogged with the corpses of sushniks, no one was cleaning them up.
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  1. +83
    30 September 2022 09: 44
    Where is the RF Armed Forces? Liman has been without reinforcements for a week now.
    The headquarters cannot be so incompetent, this is a betrayal.
    1. +53
      30 September 2022 09: 58
      About "clogged with corpses ...." and "carrying heavy losses" ... well, that's it. There is no attack in "waves" and "throwing corpses", but there is a competent enemy offensive in small tactical groups with the help of well-provided reconnaissance, communications, control and fire support of rapid response and great accuracy and power.
      1. +17
        30 September 2022 10: 14
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        About "clogged with corpses ...." and "suffering heavy losses" ...

        Alas, there are a couple of videos from these sites and there are really a lot of corpses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in small areas. Their losses are significant.
        And now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to withdraw reserves from the southern sector and throw them there, which in itself postpones the time of the start of their offensive against Melitopol, and most importantly, reduces their striking forces there.
        1. +4
          30 September 2022 10: 31
          And the ukrovoyaks are also distracted from the defense of Odessa and Kyiv. Truth?
          1. +12
            30 September 2022 10: 33
            Quote from gafovec
            And the ukrovoyaks are also distracted from the defense of Odessa and Kyiv. Truth?

            No it is not true. From the defense of Lvov, Kirovgrad, Warsaw and London, it was there that they prepared
            1. +4
              30 September 2022 10: 46
              Quote: svp67
              forced to withdraw reserves from the southern sector and throw them there, which in itself postpones the start of their attack on Melitopol, and most importantly reduces their striking forces there.


        2. 0
          30 September 2022 10: 31
          Why, alas? For that fought for it and ran.
        3. +43
          30 September 2022 10: 41
          Why are the Armed Forces of Ukraine transferring reserves under Liman and we are not?!

          Why is Liman held by BARS and Luhansk infantry, essentially mobilized? Where are our personnel?

          And one more question - do we have an advantage in aviation, artillery, MLRS, OTRK and tanks, or is Ukraine already?!
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            1. +8
              30 September 2022 11: 21
              due to the abandoned and lost during the regrouping

              When retreating! Do not broadcast the nonsense that konashenkov is talking about
          2. +5
            30 September 2022 10: 49
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Why is Liman held by BARS and Luhansk infantry, essentially mobilized? Where are our personnel?

            Because they are often written about, otherwise they keep defense units of our 20 OA, units of 488 MSP, 254 MSP, 59 TP, 99 SAP
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 16: 14
              "otherwise, our defense units of the 20th OA, subdivisions of 488 SMEs, 254 SMEs, 59 tp, 99 Sap"
              Are there too many units to defend a tiny town? where are they located?
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 18: 16
                Quote: aglet
                Are there too many units to defend a tiny town? where are they located?

                There are more fights on the flanks,
          3. +14
            30 September 2022 11: 23
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Where are our personnel?

            They are serving. Getting up, exercising, breakfast, divorce, etc. etc. There are also "conscripts", they are in case the enemy comes near Moscow ... Do we need such an army? With such an army, only the defense of their territory and how the map will fall, what kind of NVO, WHO and so on ... They put the 76th on a contract at the time, where is it? They made some kind of consolidated groups and they want to press the country of many millions to the nail. They don't fight like that, it's not Burkina Faso. Thought that NATO would not help, and did not understand these "partners" for so many years? You know, these "red lines" without an answer for the bazaar only whip up the enemy with new infusions, who in the Kremlin and the Moscow Region generally takes into account reputational risks? You are either silent or wet ... Eh, there are simply no words, only emotions ...
            1. +7
              30 September 2022 11: 57
              For 30 years of the rule of the rotten heads, everything once healthy has rotted, without exception - EVERYTHING! All aspects of the life of the state ... and they are still at the helm. The situation is archi-tragic. Some illusions associated with h.mobilization will easily get bogged down in the bedlam of the rotten heads. negative crying
              r / s Numerous reports of a mess in the places of collection, a sad signal to that. recourse
              1. 0
                1 October 2022 15: 53
                Why 30 years? In the 90s, the army was destroyed, in the 2008s they only maintained the current state. But since 2022, the army has been intensively built up. Judging by the ranking of military power on the GFP index for 2008 (https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php), Russia ranks second after the United States. In terms of the percentage of modern weapons, Russia is generally in first place. The army of the sample 2022 and 190 is even indecent to compare. Russia started the SVO with a strength of 50 thousand + 700 thousand (DPR, LPR and PMCs) and so far has not increased its numbers. According to Zelensky, the Russian troops are opposed by XNUMX thousand army. With this in mind, it can be considered that the Russian Armed Forces are operating quite successfully. True, at the beginning it seemed that there were generally hatred moods, but this is already in the past.
                1. -1
                  1 October 2022 20: 02
                  It is especially sad that this is the 2nd army of the world! (?) ... What is going on in the 3rd army of the world in China! (?). what If we have partial mobilization, MTS cannot provide. People buy equipment themselves, they are taken out into a bare field!!!!??? In China, it means... my God!!! crying Everything is lost! Peace under the states!!! crying
            2. +1
              30 September 2022 13: 40
              The explosion of SP1 SP2 is indicative. States, in fact, put everything at stake, and they will fight to the last.
              But there are questions with the GDP, most likely they will quietly disappear.
              As usual, the UN will say well, it’s impossible. And they will continue to mumble in the same tone.
              For this, normal people, in return, blow up infrastructure in the States, spoil underwater cables, gas pipelines, etc., etc. Our partners in the North Sea are not allowed to produce oil and gas. Ours seems to quietly wipe away.
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                1. +2
                  30 September 2022 18: 17
                  What I'm talking about is that the country is not capable, and not mentally ready, to quietly blow up Norwegian gas platforms and British oil rigs in the North Sea.
                  And also not able to conduct appropriate work in the states.

                  Proxy war, since the mobilization and explosion of SP1,2, has entered a new stage. How we will answer, well, obviously not a mirror image, this is understandable, but we must answer. Otherwise, we will be blown up again. Wiping off is a very bad answer.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 21: 02
                    Well, take the rope and onto the aspen, since everything is gone, why whine in vain.
              2. -1
                30 September 2022 21: 17
                Tell me options on how to do this without starting World War 3
              3. -1
                1 October 2022 20: 04
                There are THEIR children!!!!! Who will leave their child without light!? Or throw a bomb!!!!??? fellow
            3. 0
              30 September 2022 16: 47
              The 76th Guards Airborne Division was never contracted (if you are talking about this connection), there are also conscripts there, for all the Airborne Forces, a fully contracted unit, this is the Ulyanovsk 31st Guards. ODShBr, which from the very beginning of the war in the DB zone.
          4. +9
            30 September 2022 12: 12
            Yes, not "one", but ALREADY a lot of questions ...

            If the armed formations of the Natsiks in this direction, due to planned mobilization measures, achieved a multiple superiority in the number of personnel, on the defending units of the Russian Armed Forces and allies. And they continue, in a PLANNED manner, to make up for losses, pulling up reserves (including weapons and military equipment). And the Russian Armed Forces and allies, in the short term, have no real opportunities to qualitatively improve the situation by rotating fresh, combat-ready and combat-ready units. And there is no way to quickly replenish the AME fleet ("depreciated"), for a new one - artillery, armored vehicles, ammunition, etc. CONTINUOUS, MASSIVE and PURPOSED strikes against the "decision-making centers" of the Kyiv Nazis?.. And even "attempts" to deliver such strikes are not made?..

            After all, even a “hedgehog”, and not just the General Staff of Russia, understands that the beginning and continuation of such strikes (by means of long-range destruction and high destructive power, from ground, air, surface and underwater platforms)) will cause DISORGANIZATION in the highest and middle levels of the state, political and military administration of the Kyiv Nazis...

            Thus, depriving them of the opportunity to TIMELY make the decisions required by the situation and TIMELY implement them in a PLANNED manner ...

            Incl. the practical possibility of "pulling up" the reserves of personnel, weapons and military equipment, fuels and lubricants, etc. to areas where there is an ACTUAL need for this. And where are the armed formations of the Kyiv Natsiks, while they have the opportunity to act "according to the plan"? .. Incl. and also at the Red Lian? ..

            What "ended" daggers? Or Caliber?.. Or Iskander-KR?.. Or X-etc.?..

            Dots-U also "are no more"?

            And "instead of this"!, the Supreme Commander, "on the fingers", under the lenses, "explains" to some (one must understand, idiots) that persons of "non-conscription age" cannot be "conscripted" to military service? .. What does he have, a lot of "extra time" right? ..

            For the Russians, excuse me, who is involved in the "call"? .. House committees of retired grandmothers? ..

            Or military commissars in the reserve, military personnel with the ranks of colonel, lieutenant colonel?

            "Bad owls" are begging ... It's just some kind of nonsense ...

            Who gave the Kyiv Nazis and when, "indulgence" to receive blows from the Russian Armed Forces against "decision-making centers"? ..

            Moreover, there, all sorts of freaks "AZH" from the islands, STILL, "visits" inflict? .. Don't they know that the Russian Armed Forces, ON THE WHOLE territory of the former united Ukraine, are carrying out a MILITARY operation? .. Does someone, for the duration of their "visits" to the Kyiv Nazis, provide them with some "security guarantees"? ..

            And this is no longer a question for the Russian military. This is EXACTLY to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief LONG-OLD QUESTIONS ...
            1. +2
              30 September 2022 13: 05
              "THAT how much, IN THE END, STILL, have not been launched and are not applied, CONTINUOUS, MASSIVE and TARGETED strikes against the "decision-making centers" of the Kyiv Nazis? .. And even "attempts" to deliver such strikes are not made? .. "
              Because there is nothing. Yes, and air defense was pulled up there, among other things.
              1. +2
                30 September 2022 14: 01
                It's like, - "nothing"? ..

                Excuse me, have the Russian Armed Forces "evaporated" long-range aviation? .. And naval missile-carrying too? ..

                The application of CONTINUOUS strikes by long-range weapons with high destructive power at their disposal does not require entering the zone of hypothetical destruction of air defense systems of the Kyiv Natsiks. Even "delivered" to them from behind a hillock ...

                And what about the hypersonic Daggers from the MiG-31? .. Those that were put on "experimental" duty 5 years ago, in the Southern Military District? ..

                To Kyiv or Lvoaa, from the territory of the same Belarus, excuse me, it is possible to throw a cobblestone with a "sling" ...

                But five months ago, all sorts of "delagations of negotiators" from the Kyiv Natsiks, EVEN on AMERICAN turntables, "flew" from the territory of the Poles without any problems ...
            2. 0
              30 September 2022 13: 53
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              THEN how much, IN THE END, STILL, have not been launched and are not applied, CONTINUOUS, MASSIVE and TARGETED strikes against the "decision-making centers" of the Kyiv Nazis? .. And even "attempts" to deliver such strikes are not made? ..

              Because the center for making ALL decisions on the outskirts is WASHINGTON !!! I specify specifically - the White House, the Pentagon and the Capitol. hi
              1. +4
                30 September 2022 14: 23
                This is not an "answer", but an on-duty excuse ...

                Let AFTER the Russian Armed Forces inflict such strikes on "decision-making centers", the surviving Kyiv Nazis (if there are any more ...) in the ones you mentioned - "Washington". "pentagon" and "capitol" on all fours, REALLY, and get there.

                For "further instructions" ... And then, from there, also on all fours, to the territory of the former united Ukraine, they crawl to "organize the implementation" of these overseas decisions ...

                If in this territory, by that time, in general, there will be someone to "bring" these decisions to ...
            3. -1
              30 September 2022 14: 24
              >THAT how much, IN THE END, STILL, have not been launched and are not being applied, CONTINUOUS, MASSIVE and TARGETED strikes against the "decision-making centers" of the Kyiv Natsiks?

              Such a big boy, but you still believe in a child prodigy.
            4. +3
              30 September 2022 16: 10
              no matter what the guarantor undertakes, everything turns into shit
            5. -1
              1 October 2022 20: 12
              You do not understand! It's DIFFERENT! stop Business, politics, agreements, they have other values! Think outside the state! The oligarchs and their interests are the basis for the existence of an independent country, they should not suffer! love The guarantor guarantees their inviolability! As long as THEY are united, they are invincible! The duty of other citizens is to ensure THEIR existence! Yes
          5. -4
            30 September 2022 14: 16
            Why are the Armed Forces of Ukraine transferring reserves under Liman and we are not?!
            The attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine run out of steam, there is no longer that pressure. They littered everything with corpses, but it was not possible to take Liman by 15:00.
            In this regard, we should expect some Ukrainian movement inside: who is to blame for Zaluzhny or Zelensky?
            1. -1
              1 October 2022 20: 18
              Hooray-patriots screwed up again. Lyman surrendered. crying Do not read official media reports. Read reports from the battlefield. soldier
              1. 0
                1 October 2022 20: 53
                Estuary commissioned

                What are you happy about?
                Don't lose your bloomers. Yes
                1. 0
                  3 October 2022 14: 49
                  I'm not happy, nothing recourse Hooray patriots - the nutrient medium of the regime, its erectorate hi That's all. hi
        4. +1
          30 September 2022 12: 04
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          About "clogged with corpses ...." and "suffering heavy losses" ...

          Alas, there are a couple of videos from these sites and there are really a lot of corpses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in small areas. Their losses are significant.
          And now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to withdraw reserves from the southern sector and throw them there, which in itself postpones the time of the start of their offensive against Melitopol, and most importantly, reduces their striking forces there.

          And can you give me a link? And I don't find it.
          1. +2
            30 September 2022 13: 19
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            And can you give me a link? And I don't find it.

            If you have a "telegram", then enter, for example, "Military Informant", they show a lot of things there, from different angles
            1. +3
              30 September 2022 13: 41
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              And can you give me a link? And I don't find it.

              If you have a "telegram", then enter, for example, "Military Informant", they show a lot of things there, from different angles

              There is. Yes, there are a lot of things on both sides.
        5. 0
          30 September 2022 13: 18
          Sergey, how did you know that these are the corpses of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? On the video you can recognize whether they had special signs and an inscription on their heads - I was killed!
      2. +16
        30 September 2022 10: 21
        Judging by your comment from Ukraine, only elite units are fighting. The question is where?
        1. Urs
          +2
          30 September 2022 12: 27
          Well, it probably meant that mercenaries are considered an elite. Which in itself is close to the truth against the background of ter defense fighters. This raises the question of where there are so many of them and under "what" are they ----- high on financial motivation or on drugs fellow .Because according to the information I have, the losses of ukrov are really big.
        2. -1
          30 September 2022 13: 58
          Quote: Alexy
          Judging by your comment from Ukraine, only elite units are fighting. The question is where?

          USA, UK, Canada, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Baltic States, Romania, Georgia, etc.
      3. +17
        30 September 2022 10: 30
        Local fighters from the defense also talk about corpses in the forests, unfortunately this does not change the result - we are losing the estuary.
      4. 0
        1 October 2022 01: 09
        Come on, get into the cart .. there they are dirty, fried in the truest sense of the word, they climb and climb ..
    2. +20
      30 September 2022 09: 59
      Where the army holds the rest of the front, in order to prevent a breakthrough, the Armed Forces of Ukraine completely outplay our General Staff and own the initiative.
      1. -16
        30 September 2022 10: 05
        The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a multiple superiority in the number of troops !!! What the hell is a "replay"?! three against 15, no matter how much you resist, they still won’t succeed. And no matter how you change their places, move them a little forward or backward, there will not be 10 of them from this.
        1. +40
          30 September 2022 10: 15
          What kind of hand-to-hand or modern war do we have? What's the difference to a package of MLRS to put 3 or 15 people?
          The whole question is whether we have reconnaissance, the ability to deliver accurate strikes, direct aircraft.
          1. -1
            30 September 2022 10: 25
            It has long been known from which direction the enemy has been advancing for several days and with what forces, blows have been and are being delivered against these columns, but if the enemy attacks with multiple superior forces, no fire defeat can stop this offensive, moreover, we have not only are there few ordinary infantrymen in the trenches, there are not so many firepower there either.
            1. +22
              30 September 2022 10: 32
              What you are saying doesn’t seem funny to you, either the Armed Forces of Ukraine invented power shields, or, nevertheless, the effectiveness of our blows is not high, which allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to attack. Well, miracles do not happen, if there were regular mass covering of columns, then the enemy would inevitably stop.
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 11: 02
                I wrote to you Russians in white that there are not so many forces and means, including artillery and aviation, to create a density like on the Kursk Bulge, up to 10 guns and mortars per km of the front !!! there is an ammunition limit, oddly enough that you have not heard anything about it, the resource of the barrels has been exhausted, etc. etc. But the NGSH is not Starikk Khattabych, he cannot do "fuck-tibidoh", more precisely, "fuck" can, only this "fuck" of soldiers, guns, tanks will not increase.
        2. +12
          30 September 2022 10: 18
          Of course, if you fight according to the laws of the Second World War, artillery and arrows will not do it for sure
          1. -15
            30 September 2022 10: 28
            What does "according to the laws of the second world" mean? How is it shown? Moreover, are there options with the tactics of "star wars"? Is there already blasters instead of machine guns, and not tanks with infantry fighting vehicles on the field, but flying saucers?
          2. +8
            30 September 2022 10: 41
            Quote: Sergey V
            fight according to the laws of the second world

            World War II was in February-March - tank wedges and deep breakthroughs.
            Then the First World War began - lunar landscapes in the fields.
            What has now begun - time will tell, very similar to the nineteenth century ...
            1. +2
              30 September 2022 10: 57
              Quote: forty-eighth
              What has now begun - time will tell, very similar to the nineteenth century ...

              Most similar to the Iran-Iraq war, in my opinion.
              1. +1
                30 September 2022 12: 16
                Quote: DenVB
                Most similar to the Iran-Iraq war, in my opinion.

                do they also change tanks?
            2. +5
              30 September 2022 11: 25
              Quote: forty-eighth
              What has now begun - time will tell, very similar to the nineteenth century ...

              1905 Mukden.
            3. +2
              30 September 2022 11: 39
              Rave. At the beginning there was Russian-Georgian. The generals of the Second World War did not act so shamefully.
        3. +48
          30 September 2022 10: 24
          The advantage was prepared by Ukrainians for 6 months. The Ministry of Defense did not take any measures in this matter. I repeat. The feeling that someone inside is leading the company to failure in every possible way, perhaps in order to demolish the government. Too many stupid things to happen. I will be very glad to be wrong and get a cloud of minuses. Honestly
          1. -9
            30 September 2022 10: 33
            The advantage was prepared by Ukrainians for 6 months. The Ministry of Defense did not take any measures in this matter. I repeat.
            And how can the Ministry of Defense and what measures can be taken in terms of increasing the number of troops? This is not the decision of the Ministry of Defense, this is the decision of the guarantor ... now, he was honored, finally, finally believing the General Staff after the Kharkov "maneuver", to increase the number and make up for the losses.
            1. +12
              30 September 2022 10: 42
              We're late. 300 thousand is no longer enough. It is unlikely that the MO does not have a weighty word on this issue. Now, if those 300 are abandoned after two weeks of preparation, it will only increase the losses and improve the position of someone who is not on our side.
              1. +5
                30 September 2022 11: 07
                I agree, the first 50 had to be collected on the morning of February 000, and so, smoothly further, the Moscow Region and the General Staff have weight, but there is politics, so far we look back at public opinion, the opinion of neighbors, friends, partners, etc. And here, how in a street fight, since it cannot be avoided, one should try to strike first, and preferably not with a fist, but with a pipe or a brick.
                And who says that 300 is all?)))) ... this is just the beginning. While these are not everywhere they have time to place, dress. put on.....
                1. +2
                  30 September 2022 12: 22
                  Quote from Cap
                  While these are not everywhere they have time to place, dress. put on.....

                  So far, the most interesting thing is not whether they manage to place them. I wonder what they will go into battle on.
                  1. -2
                    30 September 2022 12: 56
                    The part that will be spent on resupplying existing units and formations will go on standard equipment, the newly formed units are rifle units, that is, infantry))) they will be taken to where they can by cars, and then on foot)))
                    1. +7
                      30 September 2022 13: 17
                      Quote from Cap
                      they will be taken to where possible by car, and then on their own two)))

                      If so, then I would immediately return them home and agree to a truce on any terms. To attack in a chain - for this, let the generals' regiments be formed from the Arbat Military District.
                      1. -1
                        30 September 2022 13: 58
                        To go on the attack in a chain, in small dashes, crawling ... this is secondary, the infantry goes with their feet, the only question is who will strengthen them, how they will be supported in battle.
                2. +4
                  30 September 2022 14: 04
                  Quote from Cap
                  While these are not everywhere they have time to place, dress. put on.....

                  Do you remember someone saying that we have been preparing for the NWO since the age of 14? But now it’s clear that we didn’t prepare anything ...
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 14: 21
                    preparing for SVO and mobilization, these are, as they say, two big differences.
          2. +7
            30 September 2022 10: 34
            And the management, to which the information is reported, does not double-check it? Comprehensive disinformation is possible if the conspiracy is universal, but we have heard more than once "we were deceived, cheated." in my opinion there are problems with the assessment of the situation.
            1. +3
              30 September 2022 10: 47
              He is not online. And whoever prepares "daddies" is the one who twirls the leadership. I wonder who works there as secretaries and other staff.
            2. +6
              30 September 2022 11: 14
              How should he check? Arrive after lights out to the Taman division and go head over heels to count like a regiment on duty?)))) There you just need to understand elementary things in order to "liberate" a certain territory, its size is taken (area, length, width), an assessment of the area is made , as such (presence of rivers, lakes, climatic zone, what kind of forests and fields), Wikipedia looks (at least), where the population, composition and number of the army are written .... a calculation is made on the calculator, figures are obtained, which must then be multiplied, well, AT LEAST 2 and you get numbers again, and these numbers say how much you need to buy potatoes, so that it would be enough for the winter)))) and at the same time not listen to any mu ... in that whistle in your ears, what is there all fools and stupid, lazy, and we are all "Ilya Murom", as soon as we go out into the field, half of them will run over to us, the rest will manage themselves and go home ....
              1. +2
                30 September 2022 14: 39
                You are 100% right on target! It turns out that there was no analytics, no risk assessment, no calculation of 10 military institutions? Where is the critical thinking of the General Staff? Probably all this in the RF Ministry of Defense, this is not!
                1. -1
                  30 September 2022 16: 06
                  So, I didn’t write about the General Staff, about others)))
                2. 0
                  2 October 2022 03: 00
                  It turns out there was no analytics, no risk assessment, no calculation

                  Do you think analysts give orders?
                  The analyst writes a report, on the basis of which the GVK adopts a strategy and issues an order. Here, an unpleasant picture emerges that the GVK throws analytics into the wastebasket without reading them.
                  The reaction comes after the "thunder struck" there is no preventive reaction.
        4. +17
          30 September 2022 10: 44
          We have a bunch of planes, helicopters, artillery and MLRS, which at least should allow us to hit everyone and everything around Liman and not even let us get close to it, not to mention the encirclement and assault.

          What is happening near the Liman - this speaks either of the complete mediocrity of our General Staff or of betrayal.
          1. +7
            30 September 2022 11: 00
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            What is happening near the Liman - this speaks either of the complete mediocrity of our General Staff or of betrayal.

            As if mediocrity can't be traitors.
    3. +31
      30 September 2022 10: 05
      One could think that they were exhausting them on the defensive, but the semi-cauldron denied this. And the small (in my opinion) use of bombers is surprising. Already in such a situation, fill up everything except settlements with carpet bombing. Destroy all railroad bridges and that's it. As during the Second World War, raids of 100 aircraft with 3-4 sorties per day.
      1. +6
        30 September 2022 10: 30
        Do you think we have so many planes and pilots? Are there many options not to lose everything left of their air defense in one sortie?
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      1. +33
        30 September 2022 10: 11
        They didn’t start, because there was nothing and no one .....
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 10: 38
          Well, then it's pure bluff or misjudgment.
      2. +11
        30 September 2022 10: 26
        Do not swear - they will be banned. And yes, there are no words, only cursing.
    5. 0
      30 September 2022 10: 07
      They are all there, who are still alive and not injured...
    6. +4
      30 September 2022 10: 12
      Quote: MrFYGY
      Where is the RF Armed Forces? Liman has been without reinforcements for a week now.
      The headquarters cannot be so incompetent, this is a betrayal.

      They do what they can. Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine clearly have an advantage in the abundance of modern anti-tank weapons and communications, which allows them to actively counteract the armored vehicles and artillery of the RA.
      1. +30
        30 September 2022 10: 32
        Yes, stop writing off everything for numerical superiority !!
        Who planned what?
        And the advantage arose in 1 second, so that no one noticed it, did not forestall it?
        For a week now, everyone has been justifying this advantage with this advantage - yes, already the army of mobilized children of top officials and oligarchs should have crushed the Armed Forces of Ukraine with their yachts and cayennes.

        And we have everything - "we haven't even started yet", "outnumbered", "thrown into battle like meat"...

        And worst of all, they clearly want to hide their mistakes by using nuclear weapons, constantly probing the opinion of the people. It's just some kind of not even betrayal, but madness. And at the same time, those who fled the country are recorded as traitors.
        Yes, no one wants to be the one who will be abandoned in the same way as they have already done, no one who has heard one phrase for 30 years - "the state owes you nothing" is now eager to merge in ecstasy with this elite, which itself sits in their villas behind high fences.
        And the big question is who are the traitors - those who do not want to fight for the "elite" of society, so that they can continue to eat and sleep just as sweetly, or those who are like those with Izyum, Krasny Liman arrange at the front.
        1. +10
          30 September 2022 11: 43
          Quote: Quote Lavrov
          And the huge question is who are the traitors - those who do not want fight for the "elite" society, so that they continue to eat and sleep just as sweetly, or those who, like with Raisins, Krasny Liman, arrange at the front

          Why FOR?
          One of the main questions is why our elites are not fighting? So is it possible?

          It has always been different all the time. The nobles (completely officers) went to war in the first place. The Communists were the first to attack and were proud of it. Where are the Edross going first... deputies, oligarchs, children? Reservation to receive?
        2. +1
          30 September 2022 15: 09
          And worst of all, they clearly want to hide their mistakes by using nuclear weapons, constantly probing the opinion of the people.


          Back in early September, I wrote that if not the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine, then open threats of its use were underway. Russia has no other resources to hold on to the territory; economically, the rear of Ukraine is incomparably stronger than ours.
      2. +1
        30 September 2022 10: 34
        And how are promises to prevent these same deliveries in various ways?
      3. +2
        30 September 2022 10: 37
        And here is a question for our military industry, which has not been rebuilt in 7 months.
        1. -3
          30 September 2022 11: 06
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          And here is a question for our military industry, which has not been rebuilt in 7 months.

          The plant for the production of "Orions" works in three shifts. They've been writing about this for six months now.
          1. +2
            30 September 2022 11: 34
            Quote: DenVB
            The plant for the production of "Orions" works in three shifts. They've been writing about this for six months now.

            And no one writes about him. Neither our special correspondents, nor Ukrainians. Are they at the front at all?
            1. +2
              30 September 2022 11: 38
              Quote: Stas157
              And no one writes about him. Neither our special correspondents, nor Ukrainians. Are they at the front at all?

              Well, that's how they do it. The first one will be ready soon. There and for the second will be accepted.
      4. +13
        30 September 2022 10: 53
        What are you talking about? All military correspondents unanimously spoke about the mass transfer of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, first to the Izyum direction, then to Limanskoye. Railways were known. stations, roads, supply routes. Not a single blow to the railway. stations, neither along the road itself, nor along highways. Our Air Force is not there, or almost not. Rare volleys of NURSs for 5 km. from the contact line. Some mysterious reserves of our army, as they left the Izyum shame, did not come anywhere. The shame is complete. We can only hope that NATO does not attack us. There is no one to protect us, let alone protect someone else without any options at all.
        1. +6
          30 September 2022 12: 42
          Before the shameful flight from Izyum, the Ministry of Defense reported on the formation of the 3rd Army Corps, which should launch an offensive.
          As a result, neither the offensive nor the army corps is heard, only a month in a row we leave the territories, where we walk, where we run ......
    7. +27
      30 September 2022 10: 18
      The headquarters cannot be so incompetent

      Maybe. For many years, the Ministry of Education has been successfully cultivating those who now go to rallies against everyone and flee Russia, and the Ministry of Economy has invested money in the US financial system ... The list goes on. Is that also a betrayal?
      1. +7
        30 September 2022 10: 25
        Essentially the same. Although from a historical point of view, this is called paying dues.
      2. +6
        30 September 2022 10: 47
        This question has been hanging for a long time - how is it possible with a limited non-sovereign economy, a fat fifth column in many areas to butt heads with respected partners? There was hope that the authorities were aware of what was happening, respectively. had a plan B, C.
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 11: 08
          Quote: IvanIvanov
          consistently squeeze liberals out of key positions, etc.

          How do you squeeze him out of the key post?
    8. +1
      30 September 2022 10: 20
      The headquarters cannot be so incompetent, this is a betrayal.

      It's a "regroup"...
      And the news is bad.
    9. +12
      30 September 2022 10: 24
      It seems that our fighters in Kr. Liman has already been crossed out from the list of the living.
    10. +20
      30 September 2022 10: 27
      Everything is fine in Moscow, songs, dances, fireworks every day. On all channels, Skabeeva and Solovyov piss in their ears and do not blush. If after today's event nothing changes and co-play continues, this war may not be won.
    11. +2
      30 September 2022 10: 31
      In the northern direction, the situation remains rather complicated, the enemy continues to make attempts to encircle Krasny Liman, cutting off his supply.

      As of this morning, there are still no positive changes. There is information that our people are being squeezed out of Yampol.

      And what does the optimist Konashenkov say to this?
      Where are his victorious reports about the destroyed enemy equipment and control points?
    12. +5
      30 September 2022 10: 36
      I understand you, I'm on my nerves. But we have no initial data, no idea about planning (and rightly so). "Battalions ask for fire" watched? In war, sometimes you have to make very difficult decisions. And you yourself understand that it is not going along beautiful dynamic videos, where the landing goes in four streams, BMDs rush at the enemy, etc. crap. Difficult, difficult, painful, bloody and dirty. But after all, the question of the existence of the nation.
    13. +11
      30 September 2022 10: 47
      Is this an act of goodwill?? Our General Staff..
    14. +9
      30 September 2022 11: 17
      Quote: MrFYGY
      it is a betrayal.

      Under the guise of betrayal lies an elementary mess. In the head, in business. It's just that CBO opens it up. Payment for not conducting the fighting as it should. Payment for the fact that the military registration and enlistment offices are unable to provide mobilization.
      There was no nail - the horseshoe was gone.
      There was no horseshoe - The horse was lame.
      The horse is lame - The commander is killed.
      The cavalry is defeated - Army Runs.
      The enemy enters the city,
      Captive not sparing
      Because in the forge
      There was no nail.
    15. 0
      30 September 2022 11: 38
      our General Staff cannot so openly abandon our troops, without withdrawal, most likely, there will be boilers soon.
    16. +3
      30 September 2022 13: 19
      In Voronezh, I'm lying, I hear planes, the third day already.
      What's next?...xs

      I bought warm socks and boots
    17. 0
      30 September 2022 14: 21
      Where is the RF Armed Forces?
      They are already threshing the ballers. Don't worry like that.
  2. +52
    30 September 2022 09: 44
    They didn’t want to play with Ukraine in Yugoslavia, like the “fraternal” people should not sit by candlelight and a kerosene lamp,
    even in summer. Now we get another war drama for us..
    I was thinking, can we simplify the missile forces? Anyway, in the old fashioned way, trenches, machine guns, artillery,
    and a Russian peasant from the outback for mobilization?
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        2. +9
          30 September 2022 10: 05
          This is assuming that everything is stored according to all the rules and nothing has rotted. Or it didn't explode.
        3. +16
          30 September 2022 10: 16
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

          Nonsense, what’s what, and we should have hundreds of millions of 152 mm shells. After all, it should be enough for a war with NATO.

          1. The USSR ceased to exist 31 years ago. During this time, gunpowder degraded, storage conditions were not observed, some of the warehouses exploded. Not all warehouses went to the Russian Federation.
          2. The Russian Federation participated in wars in the former Soviet republics, Chechnya 1/2, Syria, Georgia. The war in the LDNR has been going on since 2014, for 8 years we have fully provided them with weapons and ammunition. Added to this are deliveries to various Venezuelas, the Central African Republic and Libya, just sales. For half a year of the current war, there was a huge consumption of shells, mainly artillery and fought, after the supply of himars, a large number of warehouses were destroyed.
          3. The state of shell production in the modern Russian Federation is not clear. I don't remember if they ordered at all.

          So shell hunger is quite possible and logical. Given how quickly the warehouses of Ukraine and the Warsaw Pact countries were empty. Not just because Kazakhstan banned arms sales for a year. It also happened in our TG channels that we began to save shells.
          The situation is now extremely difficult.
          1. +7
            30 September 2022 10: 21
            "For half a year of the current war, there was a huge consumption of shells," ///
            ---
            According to American estimates, by July the Russian side had fired approximately 7 million large-caliber shells.
            1. +1
              30 September 2022 18: 20
              If there really was such a consumption of shells with such modest results, then there can be only one explanation - they shot into the white light, at random, without reconnaissance and target designations. Obviously, the reporting of gunners is based on the consumption of ammunition: if you fired a thousand shells - well done. The same is with aviation, and with missilemen - the main thing is to shoot in the direction of the enemy, the same bombing from a cabriolet - about anything, but not about accuracy.
          2. +5
            30 September 2022 10: 39
            all according to the precepts of 1905 and 1914. Actually, from whom we take an example ...
        4. +5
          30 September 2022 10: 30
          I admit something else. Logistics became bad. Partially the field warehouses were empty, something got hit. And the replenishment of the ammunition was stupidly missed.
        5. +6
          30 September 2022 10: 55
          Forget about the immense Soviet arsenals.

          As of September 2010, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation contained more than 9,5 million tons of missiles and ammunition. At the same time, 6 million tons of them were unusable and destroyed by demolition in 2010-2014.

          By the end of 2011 - 1 million 341,2 thousand tons.
          In 2012 - 1 million 723,1 thousand tons
          In 2013 - 1 million 762,5 thousand tons

          By the end of 2010, 4 storage facilities were reduced: in St. Petersburg, Yaroslavl, Arkhangelsk region and Vladivostok. In 2011, 11 bases and warehouses were disbanded with the complete removal of stocks. By the end of 2012, 11 more arsenals and bases were withdrawn from the cities and are to be disbanded.
        6. 0
          30 September 2022 11: 13
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Nonsense, what’s what, and we should have hundreds of millions of 152 mm shells.

          They were disposed of in hundreds of thousands of tons annually for many years. Special factories were built for this.
        7. 0
          30 September 2022 14: 23
          since the BC for howitzers "Msta" and "Hyacinth" has already been shot,
          This is a scribbler writing
          1. +1
            30 September 2022 18: 22
            They are generally insolent - the damned tsipsoshniks write that we left Balakleya and Izyum with Kupyansk.
            1. 0
              1 October 2022 20: 56
              How many people are there in total? 50 thousand
              And they don't write that Kherson, Melitopol, Berdyansk, Mariupol are ours?
      2. -8
        30 September 2022 10: 36
        And how do you know this? I'm quite serious. Doesn't it look like disclosing military secrets?
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 11: 34
          Yandex search provides links to relevant articles
    2. +28
      30 September 2022 10: 14
      It’s better to send two million United Russia members to the front, let them show by personal example that they care for Russia from the trenches, and not from spacious bureaucratic offices with an easy chair, a coffee machine and a secretary ....
      1. +9
        30 September 2022 10: 17
        Then the rich can go beyond Tula. Judging by the successes mentioned in other areas of activity ....
      2. +6
        30 September 2022 11: 04
        The parallel flashed: is there anyone on the front line who writes applications for admission to the United Russia?
        Or "please consider me United Russia!"

        This is where the answer about the unity of the elite and the people is buried.
        On the compatibility of the bourgeois interests of the top and the socialist popular interests.
    3. -5
      30 September 2022 10: 43
      And how long did you think? Ali prompted who? sad (On VO about the brevity of the sister ... they forgot to see. All require lengthy posts. “You understand?! This is poetry! These are epics, mother’s mink! "," It's getting dark "... Do you feel it?" (c) They don't seem to feel it.
    4. +1
      30 September 2022 11: 16
      content: //com.android.chrome.FileProvider/images/screenshot/16645255930521464392845.jpg

      This photo is from the article https://history.vz.ru/kak_rozhdalas_russkaja_vesna_na_ukraine_(1989_-_2014)/5.html.
      There are statistics on the population and relations with the RSFSR. Everything is like now. All the basics from then on.
  3. +26
    30 September 2022 09: 45
    A retreat under fire could lead to even greater casualties, and this is exactly what our Kyiv partners are waiting for. I should have left about the day before yesterday. It may already be too late. It strikes the passivity of MO. It was 3 weeks after the Izyum shame and no conclusions were made at all. The guys were left behind on their own.
    1. +55
      30 September 2022 09: 47
      It's already too late. After we left the suburbs at night, we found ourselves surrounded.
      Today Putin will speak - if even after that nothing changes in words, but in actions, then nothing will change in the conduct of the operation.
      And only two questions
      - is our political and military power definitely on our side?
      Is it incompetence or betrayal?
      1. +18
        30 September 2022 10: 05
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        Putin will speak today

        He will solemnly accept the republics by referendum as part of the Russian Federation. It is unlikely that he will say anything serious "about intentions." Why spoil the holiday? (((
      2. +24
        30 September 2022 10: 23
        - is our political and military power definitely on our side?
        Is it incompetence or betrayal?


        Rather incompetence, misunderstanding of the situation, inability to foresee the development of the conflict. How many times in the Ukrainian direction have we heard: "we were negotiating, we were deceived, brazenly cheated." And the question always arose - are you children unteachable? How, with a peacetime army, without a plan B for the problematic course of the conflict, stable alliances, etc., did you manage to deliver an ultimatum to NATO? Did you count on luck?
        1. +2
          30 September 2022 11: 37
          Did you count on luck?

          They expected to finish in a week or two, it was not in vain that airports in the south were closed for such a time.
        2. +1
          30 September 2022 15: 31
          Plan A: Win a quick victory with the best prepared and equipped formations. He failed due to miscalculations.

          Plan B: Redefine strategic goals to hold the front line and deplete Ukraine without inconveniencing everyday life in Moscow, using volunteers. Failed, because for Ukraine this is not a limited war, and there is no reason for NATO to stop deliveries.

          Plan C: Partial mobilization to stop the front from collapsing and make up for the losses caused by Plans A and B by holding NATO back with threats of tactical nuclear weapons until the initiative is restored.

          Plan D: Prevent a situation like the one that led to the creation of the USSR.
          1. +1
            30 September 2022 18: 42
            The failure of plan C automatically brings the situation back to the state of February 1917, if not immediately October, the possibilities for plan D in this case are not visible at all. And it should be remembered that in 1917 Russia was left to stew in its own juice due to the maximum fatigue of the main world players from the war, the presence of other, more tasty prey. Now the situation in the world is fundamentally different, you can’t count on the lazy indifference of the same Anglo-Saxons, they will finish it off.
      3. +15
        30 September 2022 10: 29
        Most likely everything will remain the same. So much time to play giveaway is generally in my head does not fit. Betrayal is clear and has been for a long time. I am surprised at those who still believe the so-called. "supreme".
      4. +13
        30 September 2022 10: 35
        Does Putin need a speech to save the fighters from the encirclement ?? belay And without this, no one will do anything? Well, then let him not leave the podium for at least a couple of months, maybe things will get better at the front.
      5. +4
        30 September 2022 11: 10
        Quote: Quote Lavrov
        And only two questions
        - is our political and military power definitely on our side?
        Is it incompetence or betrayal?

        I think this should be seen as a failure of the ruling party.
        It doesn't lead there.
      6. +2
        30 September 2022 11: 35
        And what should change after the performance?
      7. -1
        30 September 2022 14: 28
        And only two questions
        - is our political and military power definitely on our side?
        Is it incompetence or betrayal?

        5 hours have passed and they report that they began to disassemble the sharovars into molecules.
      8. 0
        30 September 2022 14: 48
        most likely this is incompetence multiplied by betrayal
      9. 0
        30 September 2022 18: 33
        It's already too late. After we left the suburbs at night, we found ourselves surrounded.
        Today Putin will speak - if even after that nothing changes in words, but in actions, then nothing will change in the conduct of the operation.

        So, because of this speech, everything turned out exactly like this - the troops received the order "not a step back", because it was impossible to spoil the celebration of the expansion of Russia's borders by a message about leaving the city that had become Russian. In principle, this logic is perfectly familiar from the history of the Great Patriotic War - the desire to take the city by the holiday date, regardless of losses and spitting on military expediency. Well, now, at least not by the dates, but by certain events, the war is being driven, both by ours and by Kyiv.
        Yes, in principle, this whole SVO began for the sake of raising the ratings of top officials, and improving electoral prospects. By the way, in the event of a declaration of martial law, as far as I know, all elections are canceled, and the powers of senior officials are extended until they themselves decide to cancel this provision. And this music can be eternal...
    2. +9
      30 September 2022 09: 52
      It strikes the passivity of MO. It was 3 weeks after the Izyum shame and no conclusions were made at all. The guys there themselves lagged behind. [/ Quote] ---- WarGonzo: Russian Armed Forces stopped the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Krasny Liman near Stavkov

      30.09.2022 09:21
      Power structures
      The situation in Krasny Liman remains extremely difficult. According to a war correspondent, Semyon Pegov, the author of the WarGonzo Telegram channel, the enemy is firing at the supply routes of our troops, trying to break through to Drobyshevo and Yampol. According to some reports, units of the RF Armed Forces are forced to withdraw from Yampol under the cover of multiple launch rocket systems.

      The fighting continued throughout the night. The RF Armed Forces delivered strikes with the use of MLRS against enemy columns converging towards Yampol. However, despite the fierce attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to break through the defense of our troops, the city still remains under the control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. To date, the enemy has been stopped in the Stavkov area in the Limansky district.

      Earlier it was reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to take our troops in Krasny Liman into the cauldron.


      Read more at https://military.pravda.ru/news/1754338-krasnyi_liman/[quote=hoarfrost]
    3. +4
      30 September 2022 11: 01
      You are wrong, the conclusions from Izyum were made. Nevertheless, the troops were withdrawn en masse from under Izyum. And here they decided not to display it. I don't see any other differences.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 13: 39
        we took fashington. And the information war was lost ....
        Sometimes you need to cut on the living and shoot quickly. It will hurt less
  4. +20
    30 September 2022 09: 46
    No comment.
    Painful, embarrassing, very disturbing...
    1. +27
      30 September 2022 10: 05
      Note that in Balakleya, volunteers and Sobras held out to the last, in Liman, too, BARS volunteers and in some places someone from the Moscow Region. Where are the MO and reinforcements?
      1. +15
        30 September 2022 10: 26
        As where. Tankers are preparing for the next tank biathlon. Personnel, trained and equipped units are preparing for the victory parade and protecting our eastern borders from the Tatar-Mongol invasion. The Supreme Commander is not up to it at all, he talks with Erdogan three times a day. And MO is generally doing well. They are just coming.
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 18: 46
          When I wrote here a couple of years ago that every parade is another nail in the coffin of our Armed Forces, people filled up with minuses.
    2. +22
      30 September 2022 10: 06
      Yes, the entire front in the Luhansk direction may collapse. Panic will begin, as in some parts near Izyum and that's it.
      1. +4
        30 September 2022 10: 33
        Yes, the front is fine, but the heroes of the defenders of the Liman, in the bulk of the volunteers and forces of the LDNR, after the encirclement, the Ukrainians will simply destroy with artillery and raze the Liman itself to the ground. What is it like? They won't be able to leave.
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 10: 47
          My fellow countrymen from the Kuban are also there. It's a shame and a shame for what is happening ..
  5. +12
    30 September 2022 09: 46
    When will we start removing Ukraine's infrastructure? First of all, power plants, bridges and railway junctions, through which armaments from Europe flow? Or is our guarantor ready to sacrifice the lives of Russian soldiers for the sake of preserving Ukrainian infrastructure? Oh yes, the Ukrainians are our fraternal people, who should not suffer from the actions of the Ukrainian authorities.
    1. -12
      30 September 2022 09: 48
      They take out what they can. There is no pity. Just Ukraine is big.
    2. +8
      30 September 2022 09: 52
      People are dying daily.
      Lofty slogans are proclaimed. But the fighters do not need slogans, but real help. They talk about reinforcements, but no one deciphers what is hidden behind this word. A very alarming situation, as people write including here.
      1. +6
        30 September 2022 10: 12
        Here, according to Peskov, it will be something like this:
        - 30.09 Putin will announce the signing of agreements on the entry of land into Russia.
        - On October 3-4.10, the State Duma and the Federation Council will ratify this.
        and all these 5 days BARS and some MOs will keep the Liman surrounded by blood with the available forces.
        GDP, apparently, is an assumption, an effect is needed, because. we are fighting like WE - on the political will and for the effect of partners and the media, and not with all our might and as expected.
        The GDP apparently wants to start offensives in several directions by October 5, and the first units and replenishment of the mobilized are already underway.
        They come unprepared. An example is one of many. Sverdlovsk region and surrounding subjects with a concentration of those called to Yegorshino and the 32nd military camp of the YeKB. (Rumors, but there is also a video on the TG and the e1 website from aircraft) Mobilization started on 21.09.22/28/29, there are a lot of drafted in the teams on September XNUMX-XNUMX, but they have already been transferred to the Crimea by planes.
        When were they prepared, retrained? When was the alignment? BUT? And everyone is being driven as always - when the GDP gives up, they will throw masses of troops on the offensive. And the British mi6 publish the same thing. What is the fate of unprepared mobilizers then?
        1. +4
          30 September 2022 10: 17
          Guys in the Red Estuary made of steel. They will last until October 4th.
          I stopped putting question marks at the end. Because no one will answer. Only reality itself.

          And who is called is a separate issue. Nothing fits in my head.
          1. +3
            30 September 2022 10: 33
            If they succeed, they will assign the Heroes of Russia without exception. I hope that they will stand ... You are right about squinting, they say one thing at the top, they do something completely different below.
            1. -1
              30 September 2022 12: 28
              Quote: dmi.pris
              If they succeed, without exception Heroes of Russia

              on a par with the rear removed by the general? this title, like many other awards, has long been discredited by the authorities
              1. +2
                30 September 2022 14: 01
                You know what I’ll say .. On the chest of a fighter who has gone through this hell, the Star of the Hero looks out of place. These warriors raise the prestige of the award
          2. -1
            30 September 2022 10: 53

            forwarded from
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        2. +1
          30 September 2022 10: 39
          So just yesterday, the Defense Ministry officially announced that the mobilized will be involved only to maintain order in the liberated territories, is that all, once again starred?
          1. +1
            30 September 2022 11: 40
            Have they ever called? And the retirement age was not raised, and mobilization was not announced laughing
        3. 0
          30 September 2022 11: 02
          and all these 5 days BARS and some MOs will keep the Liman surrounded by blood with the available forces.

          And what's next? Ukrainians will run away?

          The guys need to get out of there and very quickly.
        4. Hey
          +2
          30 September 2022 11: 51
          - 30.09 Putin will announce the signing of agreements on the entry of land into Russia.
          - On October 3-4.10, the State Duma and the Federation Council will ratify this.

          We missed the most important point of these events - the concert.
    3. 0
      30 September 2022 10: 39
      Quote: Belousov_Kuzma_Egorovich
      Or is our guarantor ready to sacrifice the lives of Russian soldiers for the sake of preserving Ukrainian infrastructure?

      Why do you think mobilization? I'm sure it won't be the last.
  6. -9
    30 September 2022 09: 47
    I have two explanations for this. 1 - a clear betrayal of the general / generals 2 - a cunning game plan on the verge of a foul for a false assessment, so that they would think that's just a little bit more and squeeze it. ... and therefore the enemy throws meat for slaughter ..... but this is a game on the verge of a foul ... they can really crush with a mass ... or rather with meat. I hope this is not treason, and in real life there is a hidden ambush regiment that will not allow you to physically surround ... and it doesn’t matter what form this regiment will be in ... at least a special unit ... at least Tu-22m3, at least calibers ready for launch or something else interesting .
    1. +15
      30 September 2022 10: 01
      Some questions.
      Actually a lot of questions. Only the answers are more difficult.
      Some chaos and trash all around.
      The probability of a cunning plan is 5 percent, hardly more. All faith in the positive has long been reduced to zero. Everywhere we only try to defend ourselves heroically. It seems more plausible that the SVO continues in the style of "somehow", "everything will be decided by itself." But there are people there. And they need support. They defend the interests of the Motherland. They are entitled to help from Russia.
      1. +1
        30 September 2022 10: 39
        In recent years, so much has been said about cunning plans that one cannot believe in any plans anymore! Where is our army??? Why is there no help! Treason? Betrayal? Or is the goal to destroy the Russian people in this war??? Young people are mobilized and Tajiks, Uzbeks remain...
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 11: 03
          Not only young people are called. Both Russians and Ukrainians are dying.
          And among the latter, not everyone hates everything Russian. Yes, in recent years such a vast majority. But the fact remains - the Slavs were pitted and they are destroying each other with the help of, among other things, Western weapons.
          At the same time, Russia protects the Russian population.
          Ukraine defends "independence". It's just an interesting independence. This is independence from Russia. What kind of independence are we talking about if Ukraine is completely dependent on support from its Western "friends".

          Each side has a goal. But is this goal worth so many sacrifices. Only after all they do not allow to conclude a mutually acceptable peace. It just looks more like the situation is being made more and more intractable by peaceful means.
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 18: 53
            Ukraine defends "independence". It's just an interesting independence. This is independence from Russia. What kind of independence are we talking about if Ukraine is completely dependent on support from its Western "friends".

            Ukraine has decided that dependence on the West is more acceptable than on Russia. I'm not saying that they are right, but now they think so. Yes, and in the USSR during the Great Patriotic War somehow it did not occur to the leadership to refuse the help of the same Anglo-Saxons, and irreconcilable ideological differences did not interfere too much.
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 20: 34
              This is clear. Their entire value system has been turned upside down.
              Russians are enemies. The Germans, for example, are friends.

              I'm not talking about help now. I'm talking about the fact that then there will be no independence. There will be a dictate of the strong. Everything is visible on the EU model.
    2. +29
      30 September 2022 10: 07
      There is no change. There is a result of squeezing out objectionable professionals who demanded work and replacing them with sycophants, sycophants and careerists who can draw the "required, beautiful picture" .... That's all. The bet was made on nuclear weapons - and "wunderwaffles" in a single copy, which everyone supposedly cares about. Were not afraid. And so what now? "The whole world is in ruins"?
      1. +7
        30 September 2022 10: 25
        Completely accurate assessment. good
        The command is concerned only with the preservation of its
        positions and how to properly report "to the top".
        And so on down the chain, up and down.
    3. 0
      30 September 2022 13: 00
      I also fantasize. In principle, there are explanations for all the strange things that are happening in the country. Most likely, nevertheless, they found the stash of the "Putin and K" team and there were some agreements on its safety and further stay, otherwise it is difficult to explain the ongoing giveaway.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 18: 58
        Stash, both official (Russian gold reserves) and unofficial, have long been gutted. But the question is - are the children and other relatives of our elite in Russia safe? Is it possible that they are already hostages, and their parents are being blackmailed with the lives of their children, forcing them to follow instructions from outside?
    4. +1
      30 September 2022 15: 02
      if it is true that saddam was betrayed by overbought generals, then the first option is not excluded
  7. +9
    30 September 2022 09: 48
    I have no words. The loss of the estuary will be a terrible blow, the way to Lisichansk will be open.
    1. +3
      30 September 2022 10: 04
      And people, and technology. They really will be left without help.
      Questions with a dot at the end. Only life itself will answer them.
    2. +5
      30 September 2022 10: 34
      To Lisichansk .... It will be open to Lugansk. This is what illiterate planning of hostilities can lead to
  8. +32
    30 September 2022 09: 48
    What's happening?! We, with our entire army, aviation and OTRK, cannot hold Liman ?!
  9. +31
    30 September 2022 09: 48
    Unfortunately to be expected! Then we wonder why people run away from agendas. From the "wise" command, from the fact that the daughters of the first person with medical bags are not on the front line, from the fact that Peskov's son is not in Krasny Liman. The red estuary rests on patriotism and the blood of its defenders. One way or another so far.
    1. +10
      30 September 2022 10: 15
      That's why they run over the hill. They see and every day their pessimism is confirmed about how the generals lead and how, in rose-colored glasses, VVP and Shoigu do not notice this at all.
      1. +1
        30 September 2022 13: 02
        Quote: mojohed2012
        how the generals lead and how, in rose-colored glasses, VVP and Shoigu do not notice this at all

        Imagine they can't. Not all. Majority. Including those with glasses. I don't think it's given to everyone. Yes, and their worries have increased - real estate, yachts, bills ...
  10. 0
    30 September 2022 09: 48
    judging by the above map, the red estuary is completely surrounded
  11. +26
    30 September 2022 09: 49
    Maybe I don’t understand something, everyone sees everything here, everyone knows everything, almost every soldier in the Armed Forces of Ukraine was counted and all the tanks and how much artillery and MLRS they have on this front, but isn’t it possible to hit them with something heavy, since we see that they are accumulating forces, grouping for a breakthrough? Can anyone explain this?
    1. +10
      30 September 2022 10: 06
      it means we don’t see anything, and all these satellite constellations are more profanity for stupid inhabitants
    2. +6
      30 September 2022 10: 28
      There is a story on the net like this: On an initiative basis, one motorized rifle battalion, led by a young commander who went through Syria, purchased 3 good UAVs of a reconnaissance aircraft type with the funds raised. We prepared ourselves according to textbooks and advice from a citizen on how to manage and apply.
      The SVO began and this battalion was assigned to the defense of the town.
      At first, motorized riflemen themselves identified targets at x, oh., Catch and hit them with everything they could, and sometimes they aimed at close artillery.
      A general came from Moscow and took, on his orders, all the UAV operators and cars into his direct subordination. They began to fly in his interests and reconnoiter the near rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But the problem is that the general did not have artillery under his command and he could not hit long-range targets with anything. And to show ipnitsiativu is not accustomed.
      He identified - reported above, he was praised and rewarded. But the point is 0.
      On one of the days (June or July 22) in the field, from which the general ordered to constantly launch and land UAVs, they hit the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 2 UAVs barely landed and were defeated. The general yelled and drove the operators with the remains of the UAV into a barn in the near rear, where they somehow repaired and assembled them with the help of epoxy and such and such a mother.
      Then the guys from the special forces drive up to them, who has artillery in submission - they point. So, they tell the operators - let's beat the nracists in our place.
      They began to effectively and efficiently hit the Armed Forces of Ukraine with artillery, direct promptly and report.
      But after a while, that brave general appears and yells - they say I'm taking you back. To him: Comrade General - we are here by appointment. We fight effectively, because there are channels with art.
      And the general yells - shut up - follow me! Because you beat the Armed Forces well, but because of this, orders and awards appear in your current leadership, and not in me.
      Took. I ordered them the next day (rain, fog - even the UAVs were not launched) urgently and not to live, not to be - to launch and reconnoiter. Operators swear, but began to run. As a result, 2 UAVs fell and finally failed due to the weather, and the third took off, but it was shot down by the air defense of the RF Armed Forces, because. (reported) that in such weather ours do not fly, but only UAVs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be.
      Everything! such a story. And this general is still in command and even in good standing with Shoigu.
      I will not say that this is true to the details, but in general, as described, the truth. Without ranks and surnames. And the infa went through the LDNR sources at the front, who are close to the MO in positions and know everything.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 11: 19
        This intelligence spoke on his stream.
      2. +1
        30 September 2022 19: 05
        So the SVO itself, it seems to me, was launched mainly to increase the ratings of the top leadership and the successful passage of the elections (or their cancellation in the event of martial law), that is, once again, a "small victorious war" was needed. So why be surprised that at all the lower rungs of the hierarchy, the majority also solves, first of all, their opportunistic tasks?
  12. +32
    30 September 2022 09: 51
    Three days ago I wrote that the estuary would be handed over, local jingoistic patriots threw minuses. Hey, where are you now? in the same place as the second army of the world, stuck their tongues. To hell with him with Lyman, the soldiers are sorry for whom the generals betrayed. Where is VKS, where is art, where is Geranium when they are so needed? And how they laughed at the Ukrainians in Debaltseve, and they themselves just about ... lised.
  13. +34
    30 September 2022 09: 53
    That all this so-called NWO is a complete adventure, it became extremely clear already on the third day. Unfortunately, everything that is happening now is natural. I don't even want to think about what will happen next.
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 13: 47
      And you have to think. Otherwise, all of us will be Khan. Now, if the same Strelkov-Girkin were listened to, and not slops were poured on him ... Actually, why wouldn’t Strelkov be appointed to a leading position in this operation? Is he familiar with the enemy, soberly assesses his capabilities and the situation as a whole, is he familiar with the operational theater, etc.? He is needed there!
      1. -2
        30 September 2022 23: 39
        If the Strelkovs are there, we will win ..... but the West does not need the victory of the Russians.
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    1. 0
      30 September 2022 19: 07
      It was impossible to leave Liman before the announcement of the annexation of new territories. It would ruin the holiday.
  15. +18
    30 September 2022 09: 54
    The worst thing is that our guys in Krasny Liman will be surrounded! Is it front alignment?
    Well, how is it? I admit that the HohLs are being driven to slaughter and our positions are covered with corpses. But why is there no effective help to our fighters? Why don't they burn the advancing with a continuous carpet?
    Have we run out of missiles, electronic warfare is not working, bombers capable of delivering strikes without entering the enemy’s air defense zone do not fly?
    1. +9
      30 September 2022 10: 29
      EW missiles and everything else is all one big hoax! The war showed this clearly. We all understand this, but we do not want to admit it.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 15: 08
        so maybe it's time for me to command if that fails?
    2. -1
      30 September 2022 19: 10
      bombers capable of delivering strikes without entering the enemy air defense zone do not fly

      This ability is no longer related to the wearer, but to the ammo. And they seem to be in trace amounts. Yes, and in the absence of reconnaissance and target designation, the existing ones will be shot, of course, to report back, but what's the point ... Once again, several hectares of Ukrainian fields will be plowed.
  16. +14
    30 September 2022 09: 56
    Here's one thing I don't understand. And where are our VKS. Well, it’s dangerous to fly deep into the territory, there is air defense. But here it is. The advanced units close the boiler; a priori, they cannot have air defense. Why haven’t they just been bombarded with at least fabs until now? Again, there is no order from the "Kremlin"? The infantry will not forgive you for this later.
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 10: 13
      What to fall asleep? front. Khodakovsky said well about the replenishment. These guys from the DPR and LPR should be put in charge of the General Staff.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 10: 26
        What to fall asleep? Small groups that methodically tear the front.
        Are we running out of fabs? Or again, someone saves in his pocket where it is not necessary? Cockroaches are poisoned with dust, the same rash everywhere where necessary and not necessary. But it helps in the end. There should already be a conveyor, it took off, they indicated from the bottom where to pour it out - poured it out, they didn’t indicate it, pour it out at your discretion, stupidly over the remaining green. And in five minutes, the next one is behind you. And so 24/7. There is not so much a wide front that it would be completely past to throw.
        About the remark about leadership, I completely agree with you.
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 10: 37
          These FABs still need to be broken from somewhere. There are losses in aviation.
    2. +7
      30 September 2022 10: 24
      What videoconferencing? We had only 1500 helicopters in the army at the beginning of the operation. And this is for the whole of Russia. For comparison, in the USSR there were 7200, and this was considered insufficient. Therefore, the Ufa school was also opened to the Syzran and Saratov schools (which accepted 500 people for training).
      Of what was allocated to the SVO, it has already been partially lost, more due to the incompetence of the leadership (what competence if an infantryman commands the entire VKS).
      And what, we have the mobilization of industry, we are increasing the production of new helicopters, putting into operation those in storage? Yes, nothing of the sort. As factories with piece production were tinkering, they are tinkering. And then, they are more interested in sales abroad than in deliveries to the army.
      That's why the infantry is ahead.
    3. +1
      30 September 2022 10: 33
      You forgot about army air defense, each motorized rifle brigade has an air defense division, each battalion has an air defense entrance. From MANPADS to S-300.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 10: 41
        You forgot about army air defense, each motorized rifle brigade has an air defense division, each battalion has an air defense entrance. From MANPADS to S-300.
        Did not forget. But do they close the encirclement with brigades and battalions? On the map I see ticks that have penetrated deep into our territory. There, the VKS can attack from 3 sides. But for some reason, even with one it does not.
        It's down there the Dnieper and the logistics of convoys. And from above, this Dnieper does not matter.
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 19: 22
          Well, for once it came right away. And aviation began to unblock Liman, bombarding everything with fabs.
  17. +17
    30 September 2022 09: 56
    Every time we write that "the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are going through the roof" and that "the enemy is exhausted, exhausted, bled ... and he does not have enough strength for a new offensive" ... and every time the Nazis, like the heads of a hydra, grow numerous new fresh reserves (and not Teroboron cannon fodder, but professional assault units) and powerful armored escorts. And they attack, once again, and again, in our strategically important areas, first an "alarming", then a "very difficult" situation is created ... and in the end - our units are retreating. The ukrovermacht bursts in there, burns our flags and slaughters the population.
    But it doesn't happen all at once! Krasny Liman has been on everyone's lips for two weeks now! It was clear right away that the Nazis would rush forward precisely there!
    Moreover, we all know for sure that our fighters fight better and more competently. So, all the superiority of the enemy is only in numbers? So why don't our reserves go to such strategically important points of defense - which would neutralize the trump card of superiority in numbers ???
    1. +7
      30 September 2022 10: 28
      "that our fighters fight better and more competently." ///
      ----
      This is not true. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting more competently.
      Sometimes, due to perseverance, the Russians win.
      1. +5
        30 September 2022 10: 55
        I would correct you that it is more competent at the level of operations planning. And ours have the impression that everyone is waiting for a personal order from Putin to move reinforcements to each specific point. And at night the king sleeps, you can't wake him up.
        1. +6
          30 September 2022 12: 38
          "which is more competent at the level of operations planning" ///
          ---
          And at the squad-platoon-company level, too. They have learned to attack and make deep breakthroughs in small, trained groups. With excellent intelligence and communication between groups of a couple of dozen fighters.
          And this is not only special forces, but also ordinary infantry trained in England.
          In the Russian army, only reconnaissance and special forces are capable of this.
    2. +1
      30 September 2022 12: 57
      our fighters fight better and smarter

      What makes you think that the dill who are fighting for their existence trained in the West in Western weapons and competent command, albeit also Western, and our naked ones to whom the order comes for 2 days fight better?
  18. +20
    30 September 2022 09: 58
    where is the RF Armed Forces? pay off subsidized mortgages?
    and then they are surprised that they run away from the call. SHAME what
    how much can you swear and do at the same time smart serious faces on TV?
    1. -1
      30 September 2022 15: 21
      Do you still watch our TV? yes you are a sadist my friend
  19. +15
    30 September 2022 10: 00


    I don’t understand one thing - the blue bulge (what is on top) "grew" during the week hanging over Liman!
    Why didn't OURS attack it from above from the North?
    there are no maps in the headquarters of the Russian Federation?
    Well, take it from Yurik Podolyaki - he draws simply and clearly!
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 11: 44
      Yampol, by the way, is already under the Armed Forces of Ukraine from today ...
  20. +3
    30 September 2022 10: 02
    There are no censorship words ... and how many of ours may be surrounded .....
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  22. +11
    30 September 2022 10: 05
    I remembered the golden words of the supreme, let's see how this counterattack ends. We are already watching and it continues.
  23. -1
    30 September 2022 10: 09
    Unfortunately, the news on Liman is not very good. The city is actually in an operational environment. DRGs are now entering the supply road to Svatovo. Part of it is under the control of Ukrainian artillery.
    Yampol in the morning, in fact, is in the "gray zone", our units had to move away.
    In Drobyshevo, the defense line has been broken. The situation in the Krasny Liman region is critical.
    Answering hundreds of your questions, I do not know why reserves are not being brought here, why they are hitting the Dnieper and Nikolaev with rockets and Geranium, and not at those advancing on Liman.
    But I know that after today we have no choice but to liberate the ALL territory of the DPR. This is what the Constitution of the Russian Federation says, this is what our military doctrine says. But this, of course, does not make things easier for the heroes in Krasny Liman.
    t.me/sashakots/36120
    @sashakots
  24. +3
    30 September 2022 10: 12
    The situation on the Limansky direction
    as of 10.00 September 30, 2022

    The "cauldron" around Liman is almost completely closed. The message across the road to Torskoye is under enemy fire control. The day before, the 503rd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment from the 19th Motorized Rifle Division of the 58th Combined Arms Army was deployed to the site. Regular servicemen, side by side with the mobilized, entered the battle from the march, trying to expand the “noose” that had gathered around Liman.

    After the fall of Stavok, they managed to stop the enemy on the outskirts of the settlement. To the north of the Liman, the front line runs along the boundary of the southern outskirts of Stavok - the northern outskirts of Zarechny.

    To the north of Zarechny, Ukrainian DRGs are quietly crossing over to the other side of the Zherebets River and operating in the area of ​​the highway to Svatovo.

    To the south, the situation is worse: the RF Armed Forces withdrew from Yampol to Liman, the settlement is located in the gray zone. The situation is similar in Drobyshevo: the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to break through the defensive orders of the RF Armed Forces and force the Russian troops to retreat to the city.

    The RF Armed Forces continue to inflict fire damage on advancing enemy units. But at the moment, the Liman defensive line has narrowed to the administrative boundaries of the city itself.

    If emergency measures are not taken in the near future to release the Liman and transfer a significant part of the reserves, then the city, together with its defenders, will fall, and nothing will stop Ukrainian formations from developing an offensive deep into Russian territories.

    1. -1
      30 September 2022 10: 44
      The "cauldron" around Liman is almost completely closed. The message across the road to Torskoye is under enemy fire control. The day before, the 503rd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment from the 19th Motorized Rifle Division of the 58th Combined Arms Army was deployed to the site. Regular servicemen, side by side with the mobilized, entered the battle from the march, trying to expand the “noose” that had gathered around Liman.

      Yes, not there "try to expand", but strike from two directions, from the north, from Petrovsky and from the south, from Seversk. Are there really no operational reserves ....
  25. +2
    30 September 2022 10: 13
    If the leadership allows us to physically surround our guys, then they only have to die there having used up the last cartridge. Then it will show a clear betrayal and betrayal. It is necessary to revive SMERSH and field troikas with the rights of an immediate trial up to and including the death penalty in the field for criminal negligence or inaction.
    1. +1
      30 September 2022 19: 28
      In today's situation, these troikas will most likely have the most traitors, and you can guess who they will sentence to executions. Most likely - simple switchmen, shielding their accomplices in plundering the army.
  26. +12
    30 September 2022 10: 13
    It looks like our Supreme "commander in chief" and the Defense Ministry completely merged the heroes of the defenders of Liman.
    1. +1
      30 September 2022 19: 29
      Their heroism was not in vain - they did not allow the enemy to spoil the celebration of the accession of new regions to the Russian Federation.
  27. +4
    30 September 2022 10: 13
    We are waiting for the battles for Lisichansk and Kherson in October.
    1. +7
      30 September 2022 10: 21
      with such conduct of hostilities, battles will take place for Luhansk
    2. 0
      30 September 2022 19: 31
      I bet on Melitopol in the first place. The question is when will the next heroic defense of Sevastopol take place. The previous ones, alas, were heroic, but unsuccessful.
  28. 0
    30 September 2022 10: 16
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    Quote: Hoarfrost
    since the BC for howitzers "Msta" and "Hyacinth" has already been shot,

    Nonsense, what’s what, and we should have hundreds of millions of 152 mm shells. After all, it should be enough for a war with NATO.

    I doubt. First, they sold. Secondly, they were disposed of from obsolescence. Still others have been used in the war in the Caucasus, in Syria, in the war with Ukraine since 2014. In the fourth, they still shot at the firing ranges. And it is not possible to spend everything to the last shell in Ukraine.
  29. +9
    30 September 2022 10: 17
    I remembered footage from ostentatious maneuvers, when an infantry fighting vehicle is driving somewhere in an open field, they are shooting somewhere, soldiers with a banner are running nearby, or maybe our army really learned to fight like this.
    After every war, all sorts of smart people analyze something, write books on tactics, and the troops live from review to review, they enter the war with an unclouded consciousness, and only when their whole snout is in the blood they begin to think something.
    1. +1
      30 September 2022 19: 36
      an infantry fighting vehicle is driving in an open field, they are shooting somewhere

      This is bullshit - I saw a report from an exercise about a "flying" tank when it jumped from a springboard and fired in the air. It seems that there was even a plot on VO. When I asked the question in the comments - is there even a meager chance of getting somewhere like that, and if not - why waste ammunition so mediocrely, I was wildly downvoted. So, while scolding our main ostentatious PR people, one should still remember that our “publicity” more than favorably perceived this whole circus with trained green monkeys.
  30. +8
    30 September 2022 10: 19
    Already in full surroundings they are talking in a cart, I don’t even know what to call it, where did the army go? For two weeks the Ukrainians have been advancing there and it was clear to any fool that they were trying to surround Liman, but for that today there is a concert on Red Square, the Kremlin cannot spoil the mood with such unnecessary news. There are the most combat-ready units that were surrounded, in the boiler, there are big doubts that we have the strength to release it, it’s scary to even imagine what awaits them, let’s hope for the best
    1. 0
      30 September 2022 19: 37
      Until the concert is over, they will not receive an order to withdraw.
  31. +10
    30 September 2022 10: 20
    It seems that someone inside is consistently leading the company to failure, wanting to use this to change power. I desperately want to be wrong
    1. +5
      30 September 2022 10: 36
      And with the full connivance of those who do not want it. Or are there no more?
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 10: 46
        How can you not notice the widely publicized training and armament for 6 months of 700 enemy groups in NATO countries and NATO instructors in Lvov, etc. why the mobilization of 300 thousand began when these 300 thousand are already definitely not enough and there is no time to train and equip them properly, and two weeks of training will only increase losses. They cannot fail to understand this in the MO.
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 19: 38
          They cannot fail to understand this in the MO.

          Do you think they are interested?
  32. +3
    30 September 2022 10: 21
    Why doesn't aviation launch massive bombing strikes against the attackers?
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 10: 29
      Because it can't. It's logical. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the saturation of air defense systems is going through the roof. As at the beginning of the war, it will not work out already.
      1. +1
        30 September 2022 10: 59
        But are there anti-radar agents? How, then, to fight with NATO, if we fight like this with dill?
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 13: 09
          And who promised you to fight NATO with conventional weapons?
        2. 0
          30 September 2022 19: 41
          But are there anti-radar agents?

          Those that were shown at exhibitions have already been used (the results are not reported), if these were not layouts at all. And there’s nothing new to make from - the entire element base is imported, and now it’s all under sanctions, and it’s quite possible to track and block the supply of military electronics, that is, it’s not very possible to import even through shell companies. Something like this.
  33. +19
    30 September 2022 10: 24
    if Liman is merged like Balakleya, you need to urgently change the entire leadership of the Moscow Region ...... worthless to all these plywood generals
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 10: 39
      There is still some hope that we are letting everything be drawn into the cauldron, which can be organized by a strike from the north,
      But it's more of a fantasy.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 12: 00
        North is fantastic. There is a sluggish movement of auxiliary forces (mainly TRO + motorized infantry + some kind of volunteer battalions) - Kyrylivka, Kovsharevka already with proofs, without proofs, go along the road to Kruglyakovka to Borovaya. Actually this is the provision of the flank.
      2. 0
        30 September 2022 12: 03
        Cauldrons form by advancing, not retreating. Once this fact is realized, all hope will disappear.
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 12: 12
          Well, Fredericus was just from the retreat. Another point that I repeat is that there is flank support from the north + satellite reconnaissance is working + reconnaissance on the ground is working effectively in our information age.
    2. 0
      30 September 2022 10: 46
      е
      if Liman is merged like Balakleya, you need to urgently change the entire leadership of the Moscow Region ...... worthless to all these plywood generals

      Announce partial general demobilization.
      1. +4
        30 September 2022 11: 04
        Organize an elite general-military commissar penal battalion and send to release Liman
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 12: 37
          Yes, what a battalion, there will be enough of these parasites in stripes for a whole division.
    3. +4
      30 September 2022 10: 46
      Quote: next322
      if Liman is merged like Balakleya, you need to urgently change the entire leadership of the Moscow Region ...... worthless to all these plywood generals

      The fish rots from the head. Generals carry out orders, it cannot be that there are no polls idiots.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 12: 17
        Yes, it has already rotted to the heels. No will, no responsibility. Many years.
    4. -1
      30 September 2022 12: 26
      God, everyone? On whom?
      They rub it all the way that they don’t change horses at the crossing! And you propose to behead MO!
      And the decisions are most likely made by the shepherd, not the horses.
    5. 0
      30 September 2022 15: 27
      maybe they think that Russia is great and there is where to retreat?
  34. +3
    30 September 2022 10: 27
    Well...
    A day passes, two passes. Malchish will come out onto the porch: no ... the Red Army will not be seen yet.
    The boy will climb onto the roof. All day from the roof does not get off.
    No, you can't see ... (c)
  35. +6
    30 September 2022 10: 30
    There would be Shoigu with the generals ... Brains swam with fat.
    1. 0
      30 September 2022 19: 43
      How will Shoigu help you there? He didn't even serve in the military.
  36. +8
    30 September 2022 10: 30
    Two weeks ago, everything was visible to me - a non-specialist ...
  37. +6
    30 September 2022 10: 30
    Today there will be a holiday in the Kremlin, and I will catch flashbacks of Yeltsin's New Year's greetings, and what was happening in Grozny at that time.
    Here is a one-on-one situation.
  38. Two
    +1
    30 September 2022 10: 31
    hi VKS dried up or what? Or resource developed?
    1. -2
      30 September 2022 10: 33
      The danger of losing planes is high. You can say as much as you like that the West supplies junk, but it does not cease to be deadly.
      1. +7
        30 September 2022 10: 47
        The danger of losing planes is high.

        Then why build them?
        1. +1
          30 September 2022 19: 45
          What do you mean why?! What is a parade without an aviation component? A holiday without an air show?
      2. Two
        +1
        30 September 2022 13: 18
        hi And let's lose a hundred boys ... Will wives, mothers with folders manage? Are the kids not crying?
  39. Is2
    +3
    30 September 2022 10: 32
    The traitor needs to kill you all like Tsar Nicholas and his family
    1. +1
      30 September 2022 15: 28
      who are you going to kill? site regulars?
  40. 0
    30 September 2022 10: 33
    Nothing unusual. The usual "regrouping". It seems that only it was worked out in various exercises ...
  41. +14
    30 September 2022 10: 33
    And hit the flanks of the advancing ...., or am I the only smart couch ...? There are no forces ... but regrouping ...., reserves ...., there are tactical, there are strategic ones ... Before the NMD, they boasted that in three days we were transferring divisions from one end of the country to the other .... During this time, from Vladivostok, about. Shikotan, etc. transfer the marines ... Before the Liman problem, there were exercises ...., the troops were involved there .... Then only a three-story mat ..... I am over 50, I don’t expect an agenda in the near future, but in the future, with such a command to go under arms, less and less ...... And we are talking about the outskirts - they have meat, meat ....
    1. -1
      30 September 2022 12: 04
      Control yourself. Maybe valerian?
      All according to plan. Regrouping.
  42. 0
    30 September 2022 10: 33
    APU take Lyman surrounded

    According to "Come and See", units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surround Liman. Ukrainian units went to the highway to Svatovo.

    "The encirclement is closing. Reserves are urgently needed, otherwise the Liman garrison will be in the cauldron," the channel's source said.

    Liman itself is held by volunteers from BARS and motorized rifle units of the RF Armed Forces. However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a multiple numerical superiority in this direction.

    At present, the RF Armed Forces have withdrawn from southern Yampol and Drobyshevo. The occupation of these settlements by the enemy is a matter of time.

    Now the Russian army has only two options: urgently and massively transfer reserves to Liman, or make a corridor and withdraw the garrison in order to save the lives of personnel.
    1. -5
      30 September 2022 10: 49
      There is also a third option. Leave the soldiers in the city and say that everyone died a heroic death. And the prisoners can be exchanged for Azov.

      The army needs not only heroic victories, but also heroic defeats
    2. +2
      30 September 2022 11: 56
      Yampol (48.94099705667185, 37.96356561273061 Yampolsky UVK) is already the north of the village, one and a half kilometers from the railway station of which the village ends and even north of Selrada. Judging by the crew, there was a night entrance.
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  44. +13
    30 September 2022 10: 45
    Am I interested in one? Geranium is found on Odessa, there are calibers on the Dnieper, Kharkov and other Konashenkov's sheds, but under Liman, Khhol calmly builds crossings, transfers armored vehicles, hits with highmars, and takes one village after another. And it's been going on for two weeks! all this time, the NM and the 20th army were defending there. Where is our air superiority? there is not enough infantry - remove everyone in a row from the Far East, from the fleet, let these pelvises stand at the piers (and in fact they stand parked there all the time anyway). Is it that incompetence, sabotage, betrayal is happening under Liman?
    to mobilize all the fat-bellied generals into a consolidated regiment and near Liman, and the minister-foreman there will just work at least a little in the construction specialty, dig trenches (although he is unlikely to be able to dig a normal trench). But we hold referendums, sign papers, hold concerts for budget money one after another. There is money for this show. At such a pace, as it were, we did not have to sign other pieces of paper.
    1. -2
      30 September 2022 11: 52
      Understandably your indignation.
      Don't fuss. Will start now. Maybe they won't start.
      Be patient. How many years?
      You will be told.
  45. +1
    30 September 2022 10: 48
    Everywhere our people, there used to be an expression, a lot of people got into the army for apartments and pensions and not out of a desire to serve, firstly, and secondly, our people value life and try not to take risks, we are approaching the American army, and Ukrainians are more motivated, so result, or maybe we just leave what we cannot defend.
  46. +5
    30 September 2022 10: 51
    It seemed to me only one that there was a purposeful and criminal destruction of the Russian people in this war? From day one.
  47. +2
    30 September 2022 10: 58
    About the corpses - no!
    And if the task is really to achieve victory in hostilities, then they begin and end with an overwhelming advantage in forces and means.
    If this is not the case, then initially the tasks were set differently.
  48. +5
    30 September 2022 11: 03
    Intelligence and communications. Intelligence and communications! Real-time intelligence, not hours later, and instant communication available!!
    1. +2
      30 September 2022 12: 46
      And also target designation and high-precision defeat in real time, and not shoot a car of shells somewhere there.
  49. -6
    30 September 2022 11: 05
    We believe our president - We haven't started anything yet! We wait!
  50. -1
    30 September 2022 11: 11
    How is the defense organized in general, can't they really carry out offensive operations in other sectors of the front to remove the encirclement.
    1. 0
      30 September 2022 11: 17
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not fools either, their flanks are covered, and in the event of an offensive by the RF Armed Forces, there are also reserves.

      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can now answer only by throwing mobikov. And Khodakovsky already wrote about their military strength
    2. +5
      30 September 2022 11: 52
      All three weeks they were hard at Bakhmut, if you are not in the know and do not read Topvar. Result + a couple of houses on the extreme street of Lumumba. Now swotting there has been stopped for 5 days already. Either they have dried up or they are just being transferred for reinforcement and deblockade to Liman.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 18: 18
        Well, if so. You can't give back what you've won. The rest can wait.
  51. +4
    30 September 2022 11: 14
    Quote: MrFYGY
    Where is the RF Armed Forces? Liman has been without reinforcements for a week now.
    The headquarters cannot be so incompetent, this is a betrayal.

    All sane people have already understood everything. Everything goes according to the “brilliant” plan of the great and infallible.
    And the head is rotten and the body is rotten.
  52. -16
    30 September 2022 11: 20
    stand firm Resist. Send reinforcements without endangering other fronts. Use Iranian drones, use bombers. Unleash a barrage of fire on the enemy and shoot the commander on the front line if he does not stabilize the situation
    1. +6
      30 September 2022 11: 58
      I especially liked the proposal about shooting the commander on the front line)))
      - well, that’s it, the main culprit has been found!)))
  53. 0
    30 September 2022 11: 26
    The authorities in the situation near Krasny Liman clearly showed everything they are capable of.

    The issue of retaining Liman is a question principled!
    And with all this, neither the General Staff nor the Supreme Commander-in-Chief made the necessary super-efforts to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces and achieve victory at Liman.

    This is an absolute SHAME for the main command!!!

    The defenders of Liman are HEROES!
    Honor and Glory to them!!!
    Eternal Memory of the Fallen!
  54. +5
    30 September 2022 11: 29
    Quote: Galleon
    Intelligence and communications. Intelligence and communications! Real-time intelligence, not hours later, and instant communication available!!

    As practice has shown, our reconnaissance has remained at the level of “go to the nearest village and ask Baba Manya whether there are any khkhlys there or not.” And the connection is Chinese disposable balalaikas from Aliexpress. But the minister pompously puffs out his cheeks, reporting on things that have no analogues, distributes general ranks to all sorts of people, and builds absolutely unnecessary masses at exorbitant prices instead of tanks and airplanes. And now only six months have passed and SUDDENLY it turned out that the army SUDDENLY ended, there was no one to fight, the Kremlin’s ass was already on fire and it was time to run to the people (whom they hate and fear), ask them to rise to war....
    1. +4
      30 September 2022 12: 44
      He won't ask. They have already shown, they will order and whip, the laws have been adopted and come into force. Soon it looks like those mobilized will be thrown there. What months to coordinate and prepare, take the ancient Kalash in your hands and go.
      1. +2
        30 September 2022 15: 39
        By the way, have you noticed how competently the Ukrainians act? Have they driven a wedge and are cutting the Russian group into pieces with the formation of operational encirclements of units, cutting off supply routes and then destroying them? Straight from the classics of the German offensive during the Second World War! And all this time the Russian troops were hammering head-on into fortified positions, calling it “planned grinding of the enemy”... Tactics from the First World War... I don’t even know what to call this...
        1. 0
          30 September 2022 16: 02
          If the technique works and works well, why invent something. This is not the First World War for us, but who knows what. In the First World War, after many days of artillery preparation, there were assault troops and behind them a wave of infantry, but here we sit and wait for nothing.
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  56. Hey
    +1
    30 September 2022 11: 49
    Where is the RF Armed Forces? Liman has been without reinforcements for a week now.

    Why is Liman held by BARS and Luhansk infantry, essentially mobilized? Where are our personnel?

    Where are the defense forces and reinforcements?

    I read comments like this. And before my eyes there are stills from the film “Liberation” and a similar situation only in the enemy’s camp. "Where is Wenk's army?" The result is known. Oh, how I wouldn’t want something like this in our current situation.
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  58. +1
    30 September 2022 12: 15
    What kind of cunning plan does our command have?
    Is it possible not to be so cunning, I feel sorry for the guys, I feel sorry for the peaceful people, the fascists are crushing our land under themselves.
    The pause was too long
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  60. +8
    30 September 2022 12: 24
    Why has the director of foreign intelligence not been removed yet? He shook like a leaf in the wind when Putin asked him whether he supported the SVO or not. He, the director, knew that all his activities were a failure in Ukraine, he was a real enemy of the people, he misled his superiors. According to the laws of war, he must be placed against the wall! Thanks to his activities, Russia now faces a real threat to its existence. Why is the economic bloc still not on its feet? Why are the same incompetent people still heading the General Staff?
    1. +4
      30 September 2022 14: 56
      The Tsar is good - the boyars are bad? Well, keep believing.
  61. +2
    30 September 2022 12: 51
    The Anglo-Saxons managed to push through Gorbachev and pushed through Yeltsin. What stopped them - I’m embarrassed to ask further. What else can you call all this?
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  63. -5
    30 September 2022 13: 12
    The enemy took Krasny Liman into an operational environment. But he didn’t surround them, even though he’s trying and wants to cut off the paths of lard and other things that their parents didn’t give them for the journey. Send the tangerines in barrels, brothers of the assholes.
  64. -1
    30 September 2022 13: 38
    Traitors sit on thieves and drive thieves.
    Or
    Thieves are chasing traitors and traitors.
    And the result of their actions is visible in Liman.
    I don’t believe that there are no honest generals. But who and why does not give them freedom of action?
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      1. -1
        1 October 2022 04: 54
        Well, Bandera’s followers are definitely dying for being cowards.
        I am completely disappointed in BG - a coward and a scoundrel.
  65. +2
    30 September 2022 14: 59
    There comes an understanding of those fleeing to Georgia, Kazakhstan and somewhere else. It’s somehow hard to accept what to die for. Just? Because the General Staff and other managers don’t care, they don’t have the ability and desire to fight?
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  67. -1
    30 September 2022 21: 06
    It is very far from the encirclement of our troops in Krasny Liman, here is a map of the Special Operation, there is no talk of any withdrawal to Drobyshev there... We must take into account the fact that the enemy is persistently trying to infiltrate into the depths of our defense in small groups, they are thrown back, damaging the enemy big losses... https://ria.ru/20220622/spetsoperatsiya-1795199102.html?in=t
  68. 0
    30 September 2022 22: 52
    Will they again announce a regrouping or a gesture of good surrender of Liman??? Conscripts after a year of service are considered trained military personnel. Where are they now? There are no 300 thousand mobilized, they will study at the training grounds for 2 months. Next week LDPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. This is Russia, according to the law you can send conscripts of one year to the front. We need to hold out for five days, our General Staff will send help. Or maybe not???
  69. 0
    30 September 2022 23: 12
    I don’t know how much you can trust this information, but they say that help has arrived.
    Literally 2 hours ago.
    I wish it were like this.
    1. -1
      1 October 2022 12: 52
      what again? and yesterday what happened and they were blowing everywhere