“All the routes are ours, the city is under us”: a summary of the progress of the special operation in Krasny Liman and on other fronts at the moment

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“All the routes are ours, the city is under us”: a summary of the progress of the special operation in Krasny Liman and on other fronts at the moment

On the northern sector of the Oskol Front, Russian troops completely withdrew from Kupyansk in connection with the capture of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located south of Kupyansk-Uzlovy, a large railway station. After these successes, Ukrainian militants continue their offensive in a southerly direction, capturing the village of Kovsharovka. In the event of further advancement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this will create additional pressure on the Krasnolimansky sector of the front, where the situation is assessed as extremely difficult. At the same time, the enemy is trying to move east, trying to get closer to the Russian border, but is forced to retreat to their original positions after clashes with the RF Armed Forces.

The enemy moved closer to Kr. Liman from the northwest, taking control of Novoselovka. In this direction, Drobyshevo remains the only settlement in front of the city. At the same time, the enemy does not stop attacks from the south, acting both in small groups (drg with mortar crews) and in large units reinforced tanks.



All routes are ours, the city is under us

- reported in the NM DNR.

This refers to the supply road from the LPR. It passes through Svatovo, which Ukrainian troops are trying to capture, but are rebuffed by Russian troops.

In the Kherson direction, the enemy, having lost a significant part of the fleet of Dutch armored personnel carriers, is trying to strengthen its units with armored vehicles recently supplied by the "allies" - Lithuanian armored personnel carriers M113. Apparently, the Finnish XA-185 armored personnel carriers, already seen in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are on the way.

As part of partial mobilization, retraining of fighters who have joined the ranks of the army is being deployed at the training grounds. In accordance with the new law, to alleviate the situation of their families, they can take advantage of credit holidays, bailiffs suspend debt collection. In Ukraine, at the same time, at the border crossings, recruitment began among students trying to travel abroad to places of study. This is already the eighth wave of mobilization in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which all this time have been fighting only with personnel units of the RF Armed Forces and volunteers.

The results of the referendum have been summed up: the inhabitants of Donbass and the liberated territories have chosen a common future with Russia. The leaders of the republics and regions left for Moscow, where they will participate in the process of joining the Russian Federation.
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  1. +35
    28 September 2022 21: 32
    So they left Kupyansk, not cheerful news for the night.
    1. +41
      28 September 2022 22: 10
      It seems that ours have only small arms and only mortars there. No trenchers, no minefields, no self-propelled brigade with reconnaissance drones. Well, for some reason, for our demolished bridge over a three-meter river, this is a threat of encirclement, while Kyiv partners have indestructible pontoon crossings
      1. +61
        28 September 2022 22: 23
        The question should be put differently: when will they start jailing us for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs. And not only in the army.
        1. +10
          28 September 2022 22: 33
          Probably already, according to the law of war, it is time to take measures.
        2. +11
          28 September 2022 22: 37
          The question should be put differently: when will they start jailing us for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs. And not only in the army.
          Never, otherwise we risk being left without leadership at an interesting moment. Yes, and then too.
        3. +5
          28 September 2022 22: 49
          Quote from invisible_man
          The question should be put differently: when will they start jailing us for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs. And not only in the army.

          So after all, the classic: "And the rest of the beautiful marquise, everything is fine, everything is fine." am
          1. +15
            28 September 2022 23: 59
            Then it only gets worse .. Current on the zombie box of URYA ...
            1. -8
              29 September 2022 07: 17
              In September, a lot of ukrobots came running .... 12.09.22/XNUMX/XNUMX
              1. +1
                30 September 2022 14: 54
                Quote: Yarr_Arr
                In September, a lot of ukrobots came running .... 12.09.22/XNUMX/XNUMX

                Judging by the number of minuses in your post, you are certainly right! wink
                1. 0
                  14 October 2022 16: 03
                  Conditionally or unconditionally...
                  A month has passed.
                  Was I wrong? :)
                  What about the number of haters? Well it's in teen chats
            2. +3
              29 September 2022 10: 58
              Quote: Nikolai Pigin
              Then it only gets worse .. Current on the zombie box of URYA ...

              Even according to the zomboyaschik, it’s not quite URYA anymore ... Skabeeva and Solovyov began to “begin to see clearly” and change their shoes.
        4. -7
          28 September 2022 23: 48
          Quote from invisible_man
          The question should be put differently: when will they start jailing us for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs.

          When the mobile resources of taxi drivers, security guards and merchandisers are selected and utilized at the front. At least not before.
          1. -3
            29 September 2022 05: 12
            I won’t say anything about the latter, but here are the first two categories, do you think they go there from a good life? They must have had some ambition.
            1. -2
              29 September 2022 09: 14
              Quote: Alexander Salenko
              I won’t say anything about the latter, but here are the first two categories, do you think they go there from a good life?

              Where to go?
              1. +8
                29 September 2022 10: 17
                In taxi drivers and security guards, why such a disdain for work? I greet my janitors and do not consider their work something shameful.
                1. +2
                  29 September 2022 10: 47
                  Quote: Alexander Salenko
                  In taxi drivers and security guards, why such a disdain for work? I greet my janitors and do not consider their work something shameful.

                  And who considers their work something shameful? What are you talking about? I wrote about mobresource, which the state considers free and unrequited. They have nowhere to run, nothing to pay off, no one will stand up for them, and now they will go to clear up the mess.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2022 09: 38
                    Sorry, it seemed to me that way, it’s good that you don’t think so, I myself don’t work as a security guard or a taxi driver, but I often hear people talk about them in a negative context. That's why I thought so.
                2. 0
                  30 September 2022 15: 53
                  Quote: Alexander Salenko
                  I greet my janitors and do not consider their work something shameful.
                  And absolutely right, because any work has the dignity of the person who does it!
              2. 0
                30 September 2022 09: 43
                As security guards, did you work in a supermarket? Neither do I, but I have an idea of ​​what it is, my wife worked. Healthy men warm their asses while wasting their time and you don't think they understand that?
            2. 0
              29 September 2022 12: 56
              Yes, and merchandisers now are people who lay out food and things on the shelves. Are they to blame, or did you confuse them with managers?
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 09: 42
                I know perfectly well who the Merchiki are, have you seen at least one over 40 years old? Merchandising is actually a special art, but who unlearned it? Putting food on the shelves is a little different, but merchandising is about how to put it. Its purpose is the sale of goods, a lot depends on where to place the bread in the grocery store and at what level to place which price tag.
        5. -3
          29 September 2022 00: 01
          Apparently, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will cross our border.
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 23: 57
            Quote: Ile Ham
            Apparently, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will cross our border.

            For the sake of truth, it must be said - the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not cross the state border with the Russian Federation.
            For almost 1000 km (in Chernihiv, Sumy and Kharkov regions) - silence.
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 11: 42
              I have enough shelling and death of citizens. The flexibility of the red lines got.
        6. +2
          29 September 2022 00: 07
          Quote from invisible_man
          The question should be put differently: when will they start jailing us for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs. And not only in the army.

          The time is such that it is no longer necessary to plant, but it is necessary to shoot!
        7. +3
          29 September 2022 05: 10
          Yes, I’m afraid not, as soon as they began to hand out subpoenas, a bunch of people, including Crimean Tatars, faded away, and together with their families, I doubt that they will be held accountable, paid off. One boy, a Russian, received a summons and went to the military registration and enlistment office, calmly, I really could barely calm his mother down, they didn’t call him back, his wife was disabled there, and these people went nuts .. We have a bridge, was it really difficult to detain the dodgers?
        8. +10
          29 September 2022 07: 55
          when they start to put us in jail for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs

          For a bad report, they are removed from office, but not for a defeat.
        9. -1
          30 September 2022 14: 46
          Quote from invisible_man
          The question should be put differently: when will they start jailing us for window dressing and licking ... to the authorities instead of reports on the real state of affairs. And not only in the army.


          We only eliminate errors according to the words of the supreme. We do not have any punishments for those who are constantly mistaken.
          This whole operation is a series of stupid mistakes, but no one has been held accountable. I don’t like the USSR, but Stalin would have already shot half and the other half would become much more cheerful
      2. +19
        28 September 2022 23: 35
        And what is the use of trenches if there is no one to place in them? And minefields are also useless if there are no troops behind them.
        It has already been said a hundred times that there is not enough manpower to create a dense defense in depth.
        Therefore, it doesn’t matter what ours are armed with, if there are few of them, then they physically cannot resist the enemy’s coverage, which outnumbers them many times over.
      3. +7
        29 September 2022 09: 42
        It seems that ours have only small arms and only mortars there.

        I do not understand too. I don't understand, where is our army? With all weapons that have no analogues in the world.
        What happened to her, where did one million warriors disappear to?
        I would understand if 300000 mobilized were sent to frighten the Chinese, and the regular troops were transferred to Ukraine.
        But it is not. It seems that they are not there, the troops ...
        1. +1
          29 September 2022 11: 13
          Quote: Arnok
          What happened to her, where did one million warriors disappear to?

          Damn it! Well, how much can you explain that a million-strong army is the totality of all branches and types of troops. This is the SV, and the Aerospace Forces, and the Navy, and the Strategic Missile Forces. Specifically, land units = 280 thousand SV. + 45 thousand Airborne Forces + 10 thousand Marines + 10 thousand GRU special forces. Total about 350 thousand minus conscripts. You can’t send all these people to Ukraine, so you won’t run away with such a large number.
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 12: 59
            And the National Guard? They are also subordinate to the president. Here you can send everyone, but here the Ministry of Internal Affairs is enough.
            1. 0
              29 September 2022 13: 59
              Quote: IImonolitII
              And the National Guard?

              I wrote about the army. The question was about the army. I have made it clear. What is a "million-strong army", and why they do not have enough people.
              Quote: IImonolitII
              Here you can send everyone

              And who will put things in order? Disperse rallies? And the last thing for the king to manage his guard on the database. They may not understand ... Although part of the National Guard is also present in the NVO zone.
            2. 0
              30 September 2022 09: 47
              Quote: IImonolitII
              and here the Ministry of Internal Affairs is enough.

              There were cuts in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, many decent ones, they themselves left.
      4. +1
        30 September 2022 09: 44
        Quote: Hoarfrost
        It seems that ours have only small arms and only mortars there.

        Because the organizers of the "SVO" are the setups of Russia, as the "Aggressor", as before, in their places. Prepare a new "Regrouping".
        1. -1
          30 September 2022 14: 47
          Well, there are figures on the Internet about about 5 million of everyone and the military, various types of special services, security officials, the National Guard, police officers, security guards and others involved in power methods and weapons and who are on state support. Is it interesting to call from their midst? Or from ordinary hard workers, salesmen and office plankton?
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 14: 52
            well, hello, and who then will protect the crowned from the love of the people and who will then accompany the teachers distributing agendas; and what if, in addition, dissatisfied ones will appear from among the hard workers and plankton sent for victory?
  2. +17
    28 September 2022 21: 36
    This was to be expected. It has long been clear that Kupyansk is lost. Now the main thing is to defend Liman, otherwise it will turn out that they fought in vain.
    1. +30
      28 September 2022 21: 43
      So they have already lost both Balakleya and Raisins. hp fight on a vast territory without a continuous front
      1. -6
        28 September 2022 22: 00
        It is necessary to think
        What is there to think, you need to jump (c)
      2. +2
        28 September 2022 22: 02
        Quote: dmi.pris
        So they have already lost both Balakleya and Raisins .. Already it turns out they fought in vain.

        The water blockade of Crimea has been broken. Its reservoirs are filled. This alone will allow Crimea to stand for the next 10 years. Ukraine has lost factories for the production of armor plates.
        1. +4
          28 September 2022 23: 16
          Quote: gsev
          Its reservoirs are filled. This alone will allow Crimea to stand for the next 10 years.

          Why 10?
          In 2014, everything was 100% filled - the canal, reservoirs, underground aquifers at all depths. With all this, they survived for 8 years.
          Now the canal is somehow filled, the reservoirs are somehow filled (I doubt that all this is 100%), it is unrealistic to fill underground aquifers in a couple of months, it takes 10 years of excess water.
          So maybe the replenishment will last for 3-5 years, but certainly not for 8, and even more so not for 10.
          1. +6
            29 September 2022 05: 24
            And you, as I see it, are special. We had a drought, the water utility, of course, fed the springs, but for you to understand. I almost raised my children, my eldest is 15, they didn’t really ride on a sled, I live in Simferopol. As a contrast, I have an old school, where I studied at number 37, a hockey rink was created at our school, and believe me, we used it to the fullest, including for its intended purpose. They sculpted snow fortresses, for my son it’s not clear what it is .. My mother remembers how along the Salgir, such a river, they sailed in boats, I remember that you could swim in it, but now you don’t. Why don't you tell me the channel? It doesn't even reach us.
        2. +2
          29 September 2022 05: 18
          What reservoirs? I once read an idiotic article on this subject by Nesmeyan, he also did not understand, but took up his pen. For example, Simferopol is fed with water from the Simferopol, Ayan and Partizan reservoirs, all of which were built on the Crimean rivers, Sevastopol is now from the Belbek water intake, the river is also from the Chernorechensk reservoir, Bakhchisaray from the eponymous, Belogorsk from the eponymous and Taigan. Well, and so on. You look at the map of the channel, it does not affect the most populated regions of Crimea.
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 09: 04
            True, the filling of many reservoirs depends on the weather, precipitation, and the amount of snow in winter.
      3. +1
        29 September 2022 08: 27
        That's right, you need to have a head in a war. And not like some, just to show themselves.
    2. 0
      30 September 2022 09: 53
      Quote: koralevviktor
      Now the main thing is to defend Liman

      Do you believe in it? It seems that through the children of the "Peskovs", in the West, for causal places, they took key figures in power. Otherwise, the ongoing lawlessness of sabotage defies logic.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 11: 06
        I didn't quite understand the question. What a sabotage.
  3. +71
    28 September 2022 21: 40
    I don’t understand a damn thing, they’ve been fighting for Liman for two weeks now, you can send a whole army from the Far East to help, what a surr
    1. AAK
      +20
      28 September 2022 21: 44
      Most likely - the "guards commanders" are frankly driving around, they cannot recover from shock in a month, however, the syndrome ...
    2. +7
      28 September 2022 21: 49
      The times when ours, having deployed the battery, could beat for hours, ended irrevocably.
      They are learning too.
    3. +29
      28 September 2022 21: 58
      Quote: dnestr74
      I don’t understand a damn thing, they’ve been fighting for Liman for two weeks now, you can send a whole army from the Far East to help, what a surr

      And I am tormented by thoughts about our aviation, which cannot level the situation.
      1. +24
        28 September 2022 22: 04
        Here in the cart is a story about the crew of Sushka, shot down .. There is a phrase about a bomber regiment in which every fourth crew was shot down .. We suffer losses and do not have time to make up. This is when we made hundreds of aircraft a year .. We fight with what we have available .By the way, did you notice that you stopped reporting about Iskander strikes?
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 22: 29
          Quote: dmi.pris
          There is a phrase about a bomber regiment in which every fourth crew was shot down ..

          how many per shelf?
          1. +10
            28 September 2022 22: 43
            According to the full staff of the regiment, these are three squadrons, 12 vehicles in each, it turns out 36 vehicles. But who knows how many were in fact in that unknown regiment of aircraft. After all, we have incomplete regiments - two squadrons (24 vehicles), so ...
            1. -9
              28 September 2022 22: 57
              Quote: Sanguinius
              According to the full staff of the regiment, these are three squadrons, 12 vehicles in each, it turns out 36 vehicles. But who knows how many were in fact in that unknown regiment of aircraft. After all, we have incomplete regiments - two squadrons (24 vehicles), so ...

              thanks, but the question was targeted, "without a response from the addressee" it turns out, well, let's say 20 cars, a total of 5 cars - and where are the dill instagram lovers, if so? and if not, then gossip is not good to dissolve, he ran out of iskanders
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 23: 16
                And what did you want to hear from me? The comrade told me about the size of the air regiment. About the story, it’s in the VO in the cart Read, the pilots are really heroes
                1. -18
                  28 September 2022 23: 22
                  Quote: dmi.pris
                  And what did you want to hear from me? The comrade told me about the size of the air regiment.

                  you do not throw off your whining on the branches on the comrade
          2. 0
            30 September 2022 12: 08
            Regiment IA PVO 36 aircraft, 36 pilots. According to the standard, 3% can be under repair (maintenance work and 1 out of order!!! Aircraft under the USSR choose these 3%)
        2. +18
          28 September 2022 23: 01
          The Iskanders have not gone away, they are full of both ballistic and calibers produced from Iskanders.
          As a mobilized motorized rifleman, I have a slightly different concern. I collected things in front of either Luga or the Vladimir camps, and who knows there.
          Excites and offends another. Where did the ZVO troops go? Why was the commander removed if he commanded for only 2 weeks? What kind of X are the old people dragging us? The army is a kindergarten? Are the conscripts just children?
          OK. OK.
          Well, I'm not going to release anyone there. For me, they are all enemies and hohlyatsky nits. I regret that I am not a rocket scientist, I would have blown the whole hoh land to hell to the male penis.
          And so you have to shoot them
          1. +8
            28 September 2022 23: 40
            I can only wish you good luck. And go home without a scratch. That's right, all the enemies are already there, it's too late to figure it out
          2. +11
            28 September 2022 23: 51
            "And so you have to shoot them" ///
            ---
            With this mindset, you won't survive for long. I am telling you this as a former Israeli motorized rifleman.
            The mood should be: "I want to come home alive."
            To do this, you need to do dashes, bending in half. Lie tightly pressing your cheek to the ground, shoot single shots saving ammo.
            1. +21
              29 September 2022 00: 27
              As a former commander of a motorized rifle company in Chechnya. I will tell you that the mood is the same - they will kill you anyway. And nothing can be done.
              And the mood is only this - tomorrow we will die, but we will kill the enemy more.
              And I don’t know about you, I was happy when my cousin hoh la ours was killed, sorry that I didn’t slam him.
              And could. And I do not like the approach of our superiors and the lies about the fraternal people. Tote den ukrainetsen
              1. +14
                29 September 2022 00: 48
                I think so - although, of course, it's easy to talk from the couch. Take prisoner only those who actively strive for it themselves, and not those who, for example, fired back to the last or ran out of ammunition. They are in place, they are enemies. And even treatment for them, and grub at the expense of ours, and smoking, and calls to relatives of the ghoul. Also protect them, and create conditions. And then the kind Russian authorities will let go of all this bastard as they let the Azov people and foreigners go, and those Russians will again go to kill, rape, rob.
                1. +2
                  29 September 2022 05: 34
                  I have the same couch opinion, but somehow I saw a video here, there are three dill, they were ambushed by one, they immediately banged, the second suffered and the third fired back so cheerfully, it was a feast for the eyes. The policeman walked around him and sluggishly captured, honestly, I would have thrown a grenade, what the hell is the risk? Now, if this prisoner is recruited?
                  I watched an interview with a former dill, who was taken prisoner in the DPR, so he began to fight for them. What we lack is campaign work. It is necessary to decompose the enemy. Here, in this thread, one, I understand, a veteran, probably thumped, offers to kill everyone. Well, here's the kid, he's 225, he grew up in this environment. I'm not suggesting to fuss, but if you can shake his mind, why not do it? For example, ask a question in a leaflet: for whom did your great-grandfather fight?
            2. +3
              29 September 2022 07: 40
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "And so you have to shoot them" ///
              ---
              With this mindset, you won't survive for long. I am telling you this as a former Israeli motorized rifleman.
              The mood should be: "I want to come home alive."
              To do this, you need to do dashes, bending in half. Lie tightly pressing your cheek to the ground, shoot single shots saving ammo.

              And not just dashes, but “get up, run, run, fall, roll back” at about the same pace as saying these five words.
            3. -3
              29 September 2022 09: 44
              I am telling you this as a former Israeli motorized rifleman.

              Not very respected .., but as a Russian intelligence officer I say: everything you wrote is show-off! It’s better to teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup, and we’re here somehow ourselves ..
            4. 0
              29 September 2022 21: 40
              Dear former motorized rifleman. Thank you for the psychological help and advice. But I would say that they are not entirely correct. It’s one thing to bomb the Lebanese and squeeze alcohol wipes into beer, it’s another thing to go through 2 wars and there you sit between 3 arrivals 82 minutes next to the rubble of the wall, and under the armor there is a closed can of condensed milk and you urgently pierce it and drink it - for two reasons (a) they will kill and do not eat and (b) comrades-in-arms will find stolen condensed milk on a dead body and will express their indignation in every possible way. And our officers, especially the platoon commanders, were the same fighters as the sergeants
          3. +1
            29 September 2022 01: 39
            There is also Kamenka. Struga Krasnye, beautiful places .... And in Luga, yes, beloved Vankin Hill
            1. 0
              29 September 2022 22: 14
              Vladimir camps are just Struga
            2. 0
              29 September 2022 22: 19
              Well, let's get there. And the funny thing is that they call on a red ticket :)) I would have gone into denial myself if I had a green one
        3. +9
          29 September 2022 01: 10
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Did you notice that you stopped reporting about Iskander strikes?

          Tonight (it was already dark) I watched such a launch from the center of Donetsk (I watched from the center). Far away, only by the rising flame of the torch. So they fly. I KR (Iskander-K)
          also fly. Now perhaps less often than before, but they fly. And aviation works. But in the southern direction, the Iranian "Geranium" blooms and smells.
          But the expense of the Kyrgyz Republic for 7 months was considerable.
          Regarding Krasny Liman, there are forests and forest plantations, the enemy is trying to infiltrate in small groups. It is difficult to detect them from the top in the greenery, but to block them on the ground - you need infantry.
          And we have 7 months passed under the slogan of the towers: "There will be no mobilization!" . Here we waited.
          In this direction, a large number of PMCs and foreign mercenaries, special forces of NATO countries, a lot of Poles ... With mobilization, they were very seriously late.
          And one cannot win a war with artillery, the enemy also does not spare shells.
      2. +5
        28 September 2022 22: 40
        Or it seems to me, or so it is - where did the notorious "red" lines go? And they stopped talking about them. It sounded so hopeful...
      3. +3
        29 September 2022 05: 25
        One branch of the military cannot level the situation. Only in interaction with others. And: until the foot of an infantryman has set foot on the territory, it is not considered occupied.
      4. 0
        30 September 2022 17: 19
        [/ Quote]
        And I am tormented by thoughts about our aviation, which cannot level the situation. [/ Quote]


        Well, if you believe some comments, then in the arsenals near Balakleya, in addition to shells, there were missiles. I really want to believe that this is desa. Then how can one explain the missing artillery hunger of the Ukrainians and the problems we have.
    4. -3
      28 September 2022 22: 01
      Are you sure this army is available?
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 22: 42
        And can anyone who knows know whether we have cadre divisions now?
        1. +1
          29 September 2022 09: 21
          Quote: Yapet100
          And can anyone who knows know whether we have cadre divisions now?

          No. They were destroyed by Serdyukov, on TV there was already a conversation about this.
    5. -13
      28 September 2022 22: 02
      I don’t understand a damn thing, they’ve been fighting for Liman for two weeks now, you can send a whole army from the Far East to help, what a surr
      We haven't started anything yet.
    6. 0
      28 September 2022 22: 34
      In fact. This question is very confusing. It was possible to stuff troops there like lice from a homeless person.
      Is that what?
      1. +7
        28 September 2022 22: 51
        Troops. What? In the structure of the Russian Armed Forces, unlike the Soviet Army, there is a strong difference in the number of motorized rifle units. There is no need to wait for the Far East, it simply does not exist. Now it has come to mobilization, or rather, "a roasted rooster has pecked." But it takes time, at least a month, and most likely more. After all, these people need to be trained and armed. Our leadership has been dragged out with this decision
        1. +1
          28 September 2022 22: 55
          And the rest of the staff is 1600 thousand, who is this with us?
          1. +3
            28 September 2022 23: 01
            There is a fleet, Strategic Missile Forces, air defense-missile defense (there are really a lot of people), heaps of different structures, educational institutions, employees.
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 23: 10
              Well, that is, in fact, there is no one to fight. We can’t even deliver a massive art strike or an air strike. Because we have only 200k combat units.

              On the land border of 14500 km we have 19 people per kilometer army.
              1. 0
                28 September 2022 23: 12
                I mean scout motorized riflemen, paratroopers. I'm not talking about artillery, rocket launchers is a separate story.
            2. +12
              28 September 2022 23: 23
              And then there are military lawyers, financiers, journalists, psychologists, pharmacists, conductors, translators, linguists, programmers, heads of clubs, pharmacies, ensembles, swimming pools.
              Under Serdyukov, these positions were allowed to attract civilian specialists, as part of the reduction of the army. Under Shoigu, they were all transferred back to the category of military personnel in officer positions.
            3. -4
              29 September 2022 05: 03
              So one crap comes out, it's time to write off the sailors to the infantry to hell, who served in the Navy to call and prepare for battles as infantry.
              1. +1
                29 September 2022 07: 27
                So it is clear that the sailors are against fighting in the infantry. But then one horseradish is not enough for all the Seamans, and how many people have a direct passion for the day of the Navy, so it’s completely in the infantry and retraining. Yes, and I would like ba arguments against the proposal, and not just cons.
                SA Infantry Zak Vo
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          2. -1
            28 September 2022 23: 38
            Well, you turned down 1600 thousand.
            Half of the Armed Forces are civilian personnel. Do you want dishwashers to go to the trenches?
        2. +6
          28 September 2022 22: 56
          A friend wrote today.
          His nephew from the Urals was taken on mobilization.
          The notice arrived on the 26th.
          Today he was already in Rostov, preparing to be sent to Lugansk.
          The guy served 2 years ago military service.
          So maybe there will be reinforcements.
          But what quality is it?
          Will it make sense?
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 05: 40
            Stop. he served two years ago, which means he is 21-22 the very age, in fact. Yes, and recently everything was taught something, it’s like we were teaching soldiers. What is scary to send you, as a mother can understand, is not your son. But why did you decide that he had something wrong with the quality of education?
            1. +2
              29 September 2022 11: 30
              What can be learned in 1 year?
              With the complexity of modern technology, 1 year of service is nothing at all.
              Why call for 1 year at all, what's the point?
              Just for them to take an oath?
              And now the guy, practically unprepared, is being sent to the front?
              Not only did he learn almost nothing in a year, he also forgot almost everything in these 2 years.
              And what's the use of this kid?
              Cannon fodder?
              Neither he is going to evade, nor his parents are going to excuse him - it is necessary - it means that it is necessary, they are responsible and understanding people.
              But preparation is a must.
              They promised that there would be preparation within 3 months.
              And where is she?
              The guy is not confident in himself, but in his knowledge and skills.
              How to go to war with such an attitude?
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 10: 22
                What can be learned in 1 year?
                With the complexity of modern technology, 1 year of service is nothing at all.

                There will definitely be enough time for the KMB, and we have contract soldiers on complex equipment.
                And what's the use of this kid?
                Cannon fodder?

                Well, firstly, his health and reaction are better than those of an uncle over forty years old, well, like me, for example, although I can’t complain about the reaction, I’m definitely not getting any healthier. Secondly, you look at the soldiers of the Second World War, how old were they? It is clear that they are different, but there 25-year-old boys commanded companies and battalions, took responsibility.
                Both of his sons, the eldest 17, the youngest 15, fought with General Raevsky, and do you think that it’s easier for a kid to handle a fusee, a gun like that, than with a grenade launcher?
                They promised that there would be preparation within 3 months.
                And where is she?
                The guy is not confident in himself, but in his knowledge and skills.
                How to go to war with such an attitude?

                It seems that it was about one month, I don’t argue that training is needed, even Terentius Plautus said that leading untrained soldiers to war is throwing them out, and these are the times of Rome, and there is arbitrariness on the ground. For example, my friend, who fought in Yugoslavia, was returned home, the paratrooper, sniper and fifty dollars are not yet there. I was surprised.
                What can I say to your guy, the enemy in the mass is trained even worse, I know the Ukrainian army, they drove someone, but for the most part it was a year and a half spent in vain. The same grenade launcher, for example, made a conditional launch. well, it's like a game of war, bang-bang rocks and completed the task.
                Many of those who were swept up there, of my age, did not serve at all about the officer corps, that is a separate story. Again, there are prepared ones, but they are available in homeopathic doses. I have a friend on the other side, still a Crimean, so he was prepared, dangled both in Yugoslavia and Iraq, but when was that? He has already made his career and sits in high offices.

                In general, Love, I keep my fingers crossed for your boyfriend as well as for other guys.
                1. 0
                  30 September 2022 17: 01
                  Thanks for the good wishes.
                  May all our children return home.

                  PS, I think you will agree that there are people who are not created for war by their temperament, no matter what skills and knowledge they have.
                  So is this guy.
                  He is too soft for war, he feels sorry for everyone.
                  He understands, and to some extent wants to go to war.
                  But I very much doubt that with his character he will be good for anything or that he will survive.
                  It does not have the rigidity that a real fighter needs.
                  However, if he sees others howling nearby, if someone with whom he more or less gets close there is injured or, God forbid, killed, then even his parents cannot predict his reaction.
                  Sometimes the death of a loved one or friend changes a person completely.
                  It can break, or there may be a desire for revenge, a desire to go to the end.
                  War is a breaking of character, ideas about life, some kind of moral and psychological foundations.
                  (I am not a military man, however, I think so).
                  1. +1
                    1 October 2022 22: 08
                    And yes and no, the problem is that this is not obvious to officers, I agree, they can be sent anywhere, but in war there is a lot of other work. directly with the war is not so strongly connected, for example, as a nurse.
                    And of course, you are right, a person may not be at ease, Leo Tolstoy also spoke about this in the novel "War and Peace", Platon Karataev dies in captivity, exhausted and unable to walk. And Lev Nikolayevich himself fought and could see something like that.
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    7. +13
      28 September 2022 23: 16
      We have conscripts in the army, and they cannot be used in the SVO, like the rest of the security forces from the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, and so on, of which, according to Kadyrov, we will have 5 million. And there was no need to mobilize. Healthy trained men are sitting in the rear.
      1. -1
        29 September 2022 06: 33
        prepared? in the Ministry of Emergencies they didn’t hold a machine gun in their hands except for a long time, and so everywhere
    8. -2
      28 September 2022 23: 30
      I don’t know why you need to drag someone from the Far East, there, only 50 km to the south, the “musicians” are advancing on Bakhmut ...
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 23: 47
        Quote: forty-eighth
        I don’t know why you need to drag someone from the Far East, there, only 50 km to the south, the “musicians” are advancing on Bakhmut ...

        hmm, the dill tried to advance on Bakhmut, they changed their minds along the way, it’s not like driving carts along the forest belt
    9. -4
      29 September 2022 03: 06
      I don’t understand a damn thing, they’ve been fighting for Liman for two weeks now, you can send a whole army from the Far East to help, what a surr

      Apparently - now there is no task to throw ukrov away from Liman.
      The enemy has accumulated reserves. Question: where is it more convenient for us to chop them "into cabbage"? Answer; from the point of view of logistics - where there is less BC transportation shoulder, i.e. not far from Belgorod-Voronezh. How to force the enemy to abandon his reserves precisely near Kharkov, and not near Zaporozhye or Kherson? It is necessary that you reconnoiter that we have "not very strong" defenses there.
      As soon as we transfer "a whole army" under Liman, the enemy will collect coins and go for the "overwhelm" somewhere near Ugledar or Orekhov. And do we need this?
    10. +1
      29 September 2022 14: 48
      They raked out contractors in the winter.
  4. +9
    28 September 2022 21: 48
    Lyman will have to leave. If there are no plans for a counter attack on the advancing APU. Ours are already really surrounded. tomorrow the day after tomorrow the situation will be worse if you don't counter. I think we don’t have the strength to do this and we don’t know how to attack yet. It is necessary to withdraw troops ... there will be trouble
    1. +4
      28 September 2022 22: 00
      Time is lost, no longer take away, there will be big losses. You will have to exit through the fire bag. Here it is already necessary to hold on to the last and wait until the new parts turn the tide.
      1. +5
        28 September 2022 22: 09
        New parts...I'll guess how it will be. They are newly formed experiences, even like the current parts do not. It is a fact to fight. But ahead of us is a series of offensive defeats, we will have to go through this. Liman is almost lost. Our stupidly upholstered with the last of their strength (they are heroes), but we must seize the initiative ... yes there will be losses, but this must be done
        1. -5
          29 September 2022 05: 45
          cipso? Where is the series of defeats waiting for us? I would not only swear, and there are enough warnings. This is nonsense that you are talking about here, Ukraine is not even fighting for its own money, but you are a coward and an alarmist.
      2. +4
        28 September 2022 23: 27
        When? And who? We? And where are those who used to be ZVO?
        Well, I can say for sure that we will not "release" anyone there.
        Surprises you. I am surprised by the approaches of our chiefs and commanders. The artillery of one division is capable of demolishing all settlements and any sorties of the enemy within a radius of 30 km.
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 05: 48
          Of course you fought. But there is a misfortune, I saw how the FAB was thrown on a Dagestan house, a bomb hit in the middle, broke the roof, the dust rose in the Khan's house, only the dust settled and the house stands.
          1. 0
            29 September 2022 11: 04
            What house and what FAB? There are many types.
            1. 0
              30 September 2022 09: 44
              Are you able to determine the caliber on the fly? The house is two-story, stone, probably the century before last.
              1. 0
                30 September 2022 21: 21
                On the fly - no, but by explosion - you can. Fab-100 and Fab-500 cannot be confused.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2022 22: 11
                  With my own eyes, maybe, but are you sure from the video? Let me give you an example, in Crimea we have such a famous object as the Swallow's Nest, so almost all tourists are surprised that the building is small, but are you able to accurately estimate its dimensions from a photograph? Moreover, the building from a distance looks more than you approach it.
                  MI Okay, weaving is very different from semi-tons, but how to distinguish 250 kg?
                  1. 0
                    2 October 2022 11: 17
                    Been there, beautiful place. From the pictures, if there are people nearby, the usual ruler can determine the size up to a decimeter. You can’t distinguish semi-tons from 250, but 100 and 500 kg are possible.
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    2. -3
      28 September 2022 23: 14
      So what? Are we going to chew snot? This question excited me a little on the way to the infantry. They are brothers to someone, but now I’m enemies, and I hate hohls fiercely, the ferocity is that I’m reluctant to go on the attack with a machine gun and hand grenades when their nits can be demolished with serious things. Wipe Kharkov off the face of the Earth, leave a lake in place of Kyiv. Shoot hohls of prisoners
    3. +5
      28 September 2022 23: 23
      What can we do in this case? Throw equipment warehouses BC and drape without looking back? What kind of army is this that knows nothing. Even retreat. Let them then learn from Bandera how to hold the defense and attack.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 23: 31
        We have a normal army and the men are excellent and professional. But they are simply not enough. 200k bayonets is very little.

        They retreat so as not to save the pieces of iron, but to save the people.


        And the Ukrainians throw meat and that's it.
        1. +4
          28 September 2022 23: 53
          By the way. About "pieces of iron" .. Didn't the retreating grenades find something to throw into the T90 tank? They left a bunch of these "pieces of iron" intact. So they removed the commander.
          1. 0
            30 September 2022 14: 00
            Everyone is talking about this tank. I'll explain for the stupid. The tank was dragged on a hitch. Broken. Repairmen are not stormtroopers. It was necessary to dump it, and they left it, and to hell with it.

            Another surprise. For example, 58A plus the Pskov division in the light hold the defense and multiply hohlov by 0.
            And where did the 3 armies of their Kharkov region go? Why are bars there? What kind of Kutuzov maneuver
        2. 0
          29 September 2022 19: 28
          Well, there aren’t 200 bayonets there, no, much less.
    4. -3
      29 September 2022 05: 43
      Yeah, just withdraw the troops, trouble can also come, they probably know what they are doing there.
  5. +32
    28 September 2022 21: 57
    I have no words about the infrastructure that all works in ukrrr and it works strangely enough! someone has a roof going to wage war without destroying the rear! (this is my personal opinion, perhaps not true and wrong!)
    1. +10
      28 September 2022 22: 04
      What is stupidity or betrayal? No. These are our generals.
    2. +16
      28 September 2022 22: 06
      someone has a roof going to wage war now, as in 40 years, an army against an army without destroying the rear
      They want to throw us mobilized, but our General Staff will not be scared, he will gather even more mobilized, the main thing is not to think and not ask questions to the enemy’s mill.
    3. -5
      28 September 2022 22: 09
      Hmm .. I think that the point is in the approach to the use of force. Our leaders still hope that in the event of the liberation of these territories, undestroyed infrastructure, the absence of losses among the population can help in reformatting the same population. Or is it stupid for this there is neither intelligence nor forces.
      1. +7
        28 September 2022 22: 11
        Our leaders still hope
        In slang, in my opinion, this is called stupid, but this is not accurate.
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  6. -9
    28 September 2022 22: 08
    Surround the dill there and demister.
  7. +17
    28 September 2022 22: 15
    Question. Now the Ukrainians are again preparing a bunch of counteroffensives against Lugansk and Zaparozhye. Soldiers see it all. All these accumulations of crossing forces, etc., etc. Does our MO see or what? They cannot stop the offensive within a month.

    We have an army of almost two million. Where are all these people. Why, out of these two lyams, there are not even reserves in the ground forces, that it is necessary to mobilize the people (by the way, this is correct). According to the information that is on the Internet, we have 280 thousand ground forces. And who are the remaining 1 million 300?

    And it turns out that with us all the available ground units were initially involved in our own, and there were no reserves for them. And because now the guys are engaged in heroism. Either they attack 1 to 10, now they defend in the same ratio.
    1. +6
      28 September 2022 22: 24
      And who are the other 1 million 300?
      Command))
    2. +7
      28 September 2022 22: 30
      Did you carefully read Putin's decree?
      Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree that increases the staff
      the number of the country's armed forces by 137 thousand people. The total authorized strength of the RF Armed Forces will increase to 2,03 million people, of which 1,15 million are full-time military personnel.

      I also do not understand who these 880 thousand are. Although these are probably...
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      2. +1
        29 September 2022 19: 30
        army generals from infantry, sorry, from accounting wassat
        1. 0
          29 September 2022 21: 33
          Well, yes, the army needs such accountants to save money. For example so.



      3. 0
        30 September 2022 20: 43
        Judging by the order bars, they have already captured Washington, and the MO Mars. An army of lions led by a ram...
        It is necessary to put a pregnant gynecologist at the head of the Ministry of War and victories will inevitably come. Our PEOPLE'S MILITARY FLEET of the yachts of the oligarchs began to sell for $ 37 million at half price (the internal stuffing was not even taken into account). Do not be surprised that I will be imprisoned (killed) for an unenthusiastic way of thinking. In a time of universal lies, telling the truth is extremism.
        George Orwell
        And another deep thought. In the Roman Empire, citizens bore the costs of wars depending on the state. Our hero Vasya with a severed leg, an arm, an eye torn out after the victory (I am sure of the victory over Bandera) will be burdened by the restoration of these yachts, property and lost profits such as the impossibility of selling to the West (European Union, NATO) our national property in the country , oil, etc.
    3. 0
      28 September 2022 23: 11
      Well, specifically, there is a little more infantry - there is also the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. But send everyone to Ukraine for no reason. And then some China will simply take the Far East in small groups of migrants in a million. And yes, we have a lot of those in the Armed Forces who are not even supposed to have a machine gun, relatively speaking.
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 00: 36
        There are also motorized rifle brigades and regiments of the Northern Fleet, the Black Sea Fleet (in the Crimea), and the Baltic Fleet (in the Kaliningrad Region). They are not part of the Ground Forces.
        1. +4
          29 September 2022 05: 51
          The Black Sea Fleet is also fighting the 126th Coastal Defense Brigade and the 810th Marine Corps.
    4. +15
      28 September 2022 23: 27
      @Cjiobo
      But because the boys are now engaged in heroism
      .
      I was a West German officer for 23 years. Reconnaissance squad. Battle tanks, reconnaissance tanks, radars, foot. I have tears in my eyes from anger at the management for negligent handling of this crisis. When you go for such an operation, you must want to win. And I haven't been able to see it for months now. Everything has already been said here hundreds of times. There are too few troops, there is no fight against infrastructure, Donbass units are not fully equipped.
      Why wasn't a people's war declared? If the population of Donbass and Crimea had the same activity as Germany in the autumn of 1944, then only Donbass and Crimea should have been able to gather about 1 million people in military uniform. But they are not there, because it was not organized.
      I also have tears in my eyes for the brave Allied soldiers who endure, fight and die for months in an increasingly difficult situation. Who will ask for forgiveness from all the mothers, wives and children of these men?
      1. -1
        29 September 2022 21: 11
        And what is the West German officer trying to teach the Russians? Well, I was a Soviet soldier for 2 years and a Russian officer for 11 years. Your Bundeswehr is not the German army, and an appendage of the US Armee you are not even allowed to have modern air defense. I served in the GSVG urgently. And I have great respect for the real German military, whom you fired with a "wolf ticket". Just because they are not brown nosed to Americans like you.
        Watch and learn:
    5. +15
      28 September 2022 23: 55
      Comrades from the Defense Ministry have been informing the Russian people for half a year that we are slowly and sadly grinding the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the peacetime army.
      And we do not need mobilization and foreign specialists.
      Speaking of foreigners. They said that thousands of citizens from Africa, the Middle East, small partisan detachments from the DPRK (1 million each) were eager to get even with the Nazis and come out on our side. Well, where are they? Our generals did not see that we stupidly lack people on the fronts. No, I would understand that you can say one thing on TV, but quietly gather a millionth army around the world. But nothing was done.
      We are getting to the point where people are already seriously thinking about the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Well, it is necessary to stop them with something, if there are no conventional troops. And they get to the point that in broad daylight they blew up SP-1,2 and blamed us. Their next action will be the arrival of the Ax somewhere in Sevastopol at the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. +1
        29 September 2022 20: 56
        Generals are afraid of stripes. if a "partisan detachment" from the DPRK under the command of their generals quickly and easily takes Kyiv? what should our lamp-bearers do then? how to justify...
        1. +7
          29 September 2022 21: 20
          Quote: Vlodek
          if the "partisan detachment" is from the DPRK

          What does "if" mean?
          The order is carried out accurately and on time with a subsequent report. There are no "ifs" in the Charter of the DPRK. request
    6. -2
      29 September 2022 12: 21
      The Ukrainian Air Force noted a colossal number of Russian warships in the air.

      // The Russian Aerospace Forces have deployed about 400 aircraft and about 350 helicopters to the borders of Ukraine, which may indicate preparations for a major offensive operation. This opinion was expressed by the speaker of the Air Force of Ukraine Yuriy Ignat...//In general, the referendums have passed, now it's time...//By the way, there are persistent rumors that the decision on the total removal of skakuas has been made and we will still smash the critical urban infrastructure before the onset of cold weather.//
      I stumbled, because this is not my opinion, but the opinion of serious people
  8. +25
    28 September 2022 22: 17
    I read the comments and don’t know where are all those who said that the Ukrainians’ army would scatter and that “slowly and surely” is the correct strategy of the Russian army.
    However, figs with him. I'm interested in something else - is anyone in Russia responsible for these defeats? for a huge amount of abandoned equipment, for leaving the territory that was taken away with such labor and blood?
    However, these are rhetorical questions.
    1. +4
      28 September 2022 22: 35
      Yes, ask, ask - rhetorical ... I, too, will be behind, behind - I think it will become easier - but it does not ... not easier.
    2. +5
      28 September 2022 22: 39
      is anyone (from the highest) responsible in Russia for the stolen money?
    3. 0
      28 September 2022 23: 29
      everything is going according to plan, said our guarantor Putin.
    4. -1
      28 September 2022 23: 57
      Quote: certero
      I'm interested in something else - is anyone in Russia responsible for these defeats?

      Right now, they are proving over the TV in the next talk show that they don’t change horses in midstream, and we must unshakably believe in our Supreme Commander-in-Chief, who will inevitably lead us to victory.
      1. +7
        29 September 2022 00: 08
        that horses do not change at the crossing
        Real horses.
      2. 0
        29 September 2022 19: 33
        these are not even horses, these are lame dogs ..
  9. -3
    28 September 2022 22: 25
    [thumb]ttps://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2022-09/1664393075_screenshot_5.jpg[/thumb]


    Help from USA
  10. +12
    28 September 2022 22: 27
    I don’t understand one thing - was it really impossible to transfer troops from Siberia, from the north, or even from Kamchatka under Kupyansk, under the estuary, in a week, to plow all places of pressure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with massive strikes of the Su-24, Su-25, but at least with the same hurricanes and tornadoes with distance limit?
    1. +1
      28 September 2022 22: 33
      VSU air defense is alive so like this and then I xs
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 22: 49
        but the air defense is not alive, the units that remain are sitting in ambushes, with the radar turned off, otherwise they will be kaput, the main losses now from the actions of the MANPADS calculations of which the EU still managed to train properly in 7 months, that's all
    2. +4
      28 September 2022 22: 35
      The musicians say that they brought a bunch of equipment, and it is stupidly standing, there are no crews.
      How many self-propelled guns do we have there? about 2000 different modifications, and where is it all? That is, there are guns, but where are the crews on them?
      1. -10
        28 September 2022 22: 50
        right now there will be crews of 300 tons already mobilized, in a month another 150-200k will be mobilized and mb and more
        1. +2
          28 September 2022 22: 59
          it will be too late in a month. Ukrainians will now throw all their forces. And our cat cried there. Such holes as near Kharkov, where there were only about 1000 people at most, how many more? And there is still some kind of rotation going on.
          1. -8
            28 September 2022 23: 02
            yes, units are already slowly starting up from volunteers recruited before the start of mobilization, only dosed somehow
    3. +9
      28 September 2022 22: 56
      Most of the contract army were from Siberia,
      Ural, Far East. Motorized riflemen, tankers.
      They won back in the 1st period near Kyiv, the second - in the Donbass and the south. Suffered heavy losses and returned
      home.
    4. +11
      28 September 2022 23: 37
      Kamchatka from the very beginning there. Some have gone for the second time. Yes, they were something with a gulkin nose. At work, we collect parcels for the boys ...
    5. Two
      +17
      28 September 2022 23: 59
      And why is it always Siberia and the Far East, and where are the brave Muscovites and Petersburgers at the Upper Lars checkpoint.
      1. 0
        30 September 2022 14: 45
        The rest in the zomboyaschik scratch their tongues)
  11. +5
    28 September 2022 22: 37
    There is only one road left to the Krasny Liman and Ukrainian DRG jackals are on it.
  12. +14
    28 September 2022 22: 39
    bailiffs suspend debt collection.

    What a bunch (: Let them go to the front and collect there.
  13. +18
    28 September 2022 22: 44
    Quote: Arbeiternegast
    I don’t understand one thing - was it really impossible to transfer troops from Siberia, from the north, or even from Kamchatka under Kupyansk, under the estuary, in a week,

    Do they grow there in Siberia or what? 15-18 million people live in all of Siberia and the Far East. For reference: in Moscow and the Moscow region, there are approximately 25 million
    1. -6
      28 September 2022 22: 53
      Do they grow there in Siberia or what? 15-18 million people live in all of Siberia and the Far East.
      And what about the population? Do we really have all the ground forces in Ukraine?
      1. +8
        28 September 2022 23: 02
        Quote: Arbeiternegast
        Do we really have all the ground forces in Ukraine?

        Along the way, only conscripts remained.
      2. +5
        28 September 2022 23: 16
        Everyone who could be involved is already there. The rest is a necessary minimum in their areas. SOBR fought in general near Kharkov.
    2. -1
      29 September 2022 00: 44
      In Siberia and the Far East, about 33 million people live. But of these, about half is Western Siberia.
      1. 0
        2 October 2022 23: 22
        It's strange to put a minus for well-known reliable information.
  14. 0
    28 September 2022 22: 56
    What are you waiting for to stabilize the Kharkov front?
  15. +8
    28 September 2022 22: 58
    It's kind of incomprehensible. Ours were advancing, advancing, and now it’s not even possible to defend. Where did everything that came?
    1. +12
      28 September 2022 23: 09
      Were worn out in battles, and advanced in recent months with great difficulty and at a snail's pace.
      1. -11
        29 September 2022 00: 43
        The generals huddled. And now the Ukrainians are grinding against the fortified areas. The general of both armies, I suppose, is one - American? Only Ramzan and Wagner stir up something of their own.
    2. 0
      29 September 2022 06: 54
      many after the fights are on vacation, someone broke the contract
  16. +1
    28 September 2022 22: 58
    Quote: Arbeiternegast
    Do they grow there in Siberia or what? 15-18 million people live in all of Siberia and the Far East.
    And what about the population? Do we really have all the ground forces in Ukraine?

    I'll probably shut up.
  17. +10
    28 September 2022 23: 01
    Yes, what can I say. Here is a video of how our commanders use aviation.

    A couple is sent on a combat mission with high opposition.
    But even in Afghanistan, they came to the conclusion that the optimal composition of the strike group, this link (4 cars), cannot be less, the pair does not close the "carousel", therefore mutual cover is impossible.
    In addition, two, and not one, Mi-8s are required to provide PSO.
    Combat charging is generally beyond reason. 60 NAR S-8 and a total of 4 ATGMs. Despite the fact that the enemy troops are saturated with armored vehicles. But more than once I met a video when only two were taken for a flight.
    What, are we saving guided missiles? So this saving goes sideways, we lose equipment and flight personnel.
    It does not reach the minds of our current generals that using combat helicopters exclusively as NAR carriers is like hammering nails with a microscope.
  18. +22
    28 September 2022 23: 10
    Quote: tabletkin73
    It's kind of incomprehensible. Ours were advancing, advancing, and now it’s not even possible to defend. Where did everything that came?

    As it turned out, the army on paper and the army that actually fights are two absolutely opposite things. The latest weapons in single copies, everything else is a touch of the ancestors, thanks to which the current hand-assers can still puff out their cheeks. Now the penultimate option remains, using the Soviet legacy to take by number. Well, after that, only nuclear will remain in reserve.
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    2. +1
      29 September 2022 00: 45
      On paper, it’s not just the army, but the commanders. And without commanders, no army will help.
    3. 0
      29 September 2022 14: 21
      Quote: Adagka
      As it turned out, the army on paper and the army that actually fights are two absolutely opposite things.

      Dmitry Rogozin commented on the statement by US President Barack Obama that the Russian army is "the second most powerful in the world." Rogozin responded to Obama's message on his Twitter.
      “Well, maybe not the first yet, but certainly not the second, Mr. President!” Rogozin wrote.
      For some reason I remembered ...
  19. +1
    28 September 2022 23: 31
    S'il n'y a pas d'attaque sur le flanc nord pour dégager la ville, il va falloir se retired de Lyman étape par étape, en faisant payer la capture chèrement à coup d'embuscade.
  20. -4
    28 September 2022 23: 49
    Information on Kupyansk has not yet been confirmed. But the situation is very difficult.
  21. +10
    28 September 2022 23: 54
    Maybe it was necessary not to do darts and biathlons, but to do normal combat training? And not to build ostentatious centers with monitors, but to equip the army with modern equipment?
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  23. +3
    29 September 2022 00: 58
    European countries one by one urge citizens to urgently leave Russia.

    The formal reason is mobilization. The real one, unfortunately, is different.

    what would that mean?
    today I read that near Kaliningrad, NATO is transferring tanks
  24. +5
    29 September 2022 02: 35
    Quote: Sergej1972
    In Siberia and the Far East, about 33 million people live. But of these, about half is Western Siberia.

    It looks like you got it from Wikipedia. There, some smart guy ranked the Ural Federal District with 12.3 million people as part of Siberia.
    1. +1
      29 September 2022 04: 29
      Yes, there are enough smart people in our country. The Tyumen region is part of the Ural Federal District (including Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and YNAO), there are swamps, not mountains. The division into federal districts is clearly not on a geographical basis - rather on an economic basis, but in general - xbz.
  25. +2
    29 September 2022 02: 37
    Quote: opuonmed
    Leave Russia immediately. The formal reason is mobilization. The real one, unfortunately, is different.

    what would that mean?

    Apparently so.
  26. +5
    29 September 2022 04: 55
    And if there are no resources, manpower, etc, what was it to start with? Bury people? For what?
  27. +1
    29 September 2022 06: 30
    Quote from Andy_nsk
    The Tyumen region is part of the Ural Federal District (including Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and YNAO), there are swamps, not mountains. The division into federal districts is clearly not on a geographical basis - rather on an economic basis, but in general - xbz.

    In the 50-60s, the Tyumen region. with the districts it was part of the ZapSibSNKh - well, such as an economic district, because the transportation of everything and everything was along the Ob and Irtysh. I think that in the 90s, at the request of Rossel, they were attached to the Ural District because the district did not have enough numbers, and the railway was built on Surgut and Nizhnevartovsk.
    1. +3
      29 September 2022 09: 19
      The phrase "In accordance with the new law, to alleviate the situation of their families, they can take advantage of credit holidays, bailiffs suspend debt collection."
      like when the debtors return, the credit holidays will end and the collection will resume ...
  28. +1
    29 September 2022 11: 13
    Here a real, reasonable decision must be made by the person responsible for the entire campaign, that is, for the war. Who will it be??? am
  29. 0
    29 September 2022 12: 01
    Bravo! We give khokhliks a reason to be happy. Where is our strongest army.
  30. -2
    29 September 2022 13: 08
    Here is a disgrace, the second army of the world, a colossus with feet of clay
  31. +2
    29 September 2022 13: 57
    As usual. As in the 41st. The peacetime generals completely lost the operation. You can tell as many stories as you want about anything. But in the south, someone ensured the stability of the front. Nothing has been done in the north. They just start some kind of games with the CSTO and other nonsense. The question is that when there is a war, everything should be thrown into its cup. And do not count the krakens in the sheds.
    Now ordinary men will go to war and make a victory. Question: when will new Rokossovskys, Chernyakhovskys, etc., begin to appear?
  32. Ed
    0
    29 September 2022 17: 45
    This is either a great plan or again we are waiting for winter to help. Napoleon and Hitler slowed down in winter. Maybe now the winter will stop the APU?
    1. 0
      29 September 2022 20: 12
      both sides will suffer from the winter, in peacetime, try to run around the plantings for a week during the exercises without the opportunity to just warm up even by the fire.
  33. -1
    29 September 2022 20: 17
    Let's face it: at this stage, there is no strategic goal to keep the Kharkiv region (there was no referendum held there), the expected stabilization of the front is on the border with the Luhansk region.
    1. 0
      30 September 2022 11: 47
      I am a modest person, as a first step, all the stolen goods are enough for me.
  34. -2
    29 September 2022 21: 28
    I don’t even know what to write .... Thank you very much brothers for fighting for Russia !!! I bow before you!!! RVSN veteran...
  35. 0
    29 September 2022 22: 52
    Quote: Mishka78
    Quote: Adagka
    As it turned out, the army on paper and the army that actually fights are two absolutely opposite things.

    Dmitry Rogozin commented on the statement by US President Barack Obama that the Russian army is "the second most powerful in the world." Rogozin responded to Obama's message on his Twitter.
    “Well, maybe not the first yet, but certainly not the second, Mr. President!” Rogozin wrote.
    For some reason I remembered ...

    Yes, and not the third, for sure. When will they start planting them?
  36. +1
    29 September 2022 22: 57
    Quote: agond
    The phrase "In accordance with the new law, to alleviate the situation of their families, they can take advantage of credit holidays, bailiffs suspend debt collection."
    like when the debtors return, the credit holidays will end and the collection will resume ...

    Don't Stop Debt Collection! It's the budget! To oblige the bailiffs to go directly to the debtors personally, to the front line for collection!
  37. 0
    29 September 2022 23: 43
    40 Chinese quadcopters cost $000 million. wholesale cheaper. This is 40 grenades on the heads of ukrams. Enough to destroy the entire advancing group. But no, they don't. Why?
  38. 0
    30 September 2022 04: 55
    the boiler is brewing!? On October 10 I set off for mobilization! the main thing is that there are fewer dolboklyuev! laughing
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  40. 0
    30 September 2022 11: 44
    I have enough shelling and death of citizens. The flexibility of the red lines got it. It's called treason.
  41. 0
    30 September 2022 14: 56
    Quote: Two
    And why is it always Siberia and the Far East, and where are the brave Muscovites and Petersburgers at the Upper Lars checkpoint.

    In March-April, I read publications on a local news site. Who died. Year of birth. Portrait. Rank. The data was updated every week. These are personnel, specialists. He got upset a lot. At the end of April, this page in the news with an apology was closed. And here on the site some people dare to ask, well, where are our personnel, why are they not sent from the Far East and Siberia? They have already completed their task.