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Cry about him while he is...in Kazakhstan?

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Cry about him while he is...in Kazakhstan?

Today, all social networks are full of materials about those who ran away from the country with wet pants.


Almost a hundred thousand rushed to hospitable Kazakhstan, almost fifty dollars - to no less hospitable Georgia. Plus planes to different countries. They say that in the Far East some flee to Mongolia, some to China. Each region has its own choice.


You know, with some kind of "deep satisfaction" I read the news about how prices in Georgia and Kazakhstan rushed up.

That's right, here I am with the Kazakhs, that I agree with the Georgians. Hospitality is from the word "to receive guests", right? Are these guests? No, they are runaways. And those who ran away from the war, but not like the inhabitants of Ukraine and THAT Ukraine, but just like cowards. Yes, they don’t read “Ax” (that’s our short name on the Web) and they don’t give a damn about all my words. While there is money that the Kazakhs will not take away for their hospitality (sarcasm).

The Ministry of Defense stated that it would not chase and pursue them.

In general, to be honest, it makes sense. Why is there such human dirt, if there are enough of our own, normal people? Moreover, ready to voluntarily go and fight?


Then it became a shame for real men.

Is Russian society to blame for what is happening, so quickly stratified into two parts, one of which rushed out of the country?

Yes, partially. But the fault of the state in this is no less.

We have already talked so much about the completely toothless and impotent policy of the state in terms of ideology, that once again we don’t want to start a hurdy-gurdy. The result is here, at the border checkpoint.


Thirty years of Russian reality within the framework of very strange rules for the formation of a society that is maximally stupid and obedient and minimally spiritually educated - and here is the result.

Moreover, not only at the checkpoint, the scandal with the student "elite" of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University showed a lot, but I personally will definitely return to this. This is a diagnosis, moreover, indicative of surgery.

For thirty years of Russian “independence”, at least three generations have grown up who believe that they do not owe anything to anyone. And they have realizable rights and freedoms, as opposed to duties. Kind of like the Constitution.

However, although the Constitution says that “a person, his rights and freedoms are the highest value”, there is also the fact that it is the Person and the Citizen who are obliged to protect all this.

But in the minds of many today, it is somewhat different, inspired by that same Western democracy: "I pay taxes, and you spread out in front of me." And absolutely do not care what is happening around. Well, if the beginning of the SVO itself did not shake people's brains, then what can we say about how many people did not even pay attention to the eight years of Donbass hell. I said more than once that the farther from the border, the more I didn’t give a damn about everything that happened behind the ribbon.

Now behold, the war is here, and this is a fact. And our near future will pass precisely along the border "before the war" to "after the war." And yes, it is necessary to live according to the laws of war.

Moreover, everyone will have to live according to these laws: both those who are in line at the military registration and enlistment office, and those who are in line at the border. And if we call the first patriots, then the name of the second is deserters and traitors.

Yes, they are worthy of negativity towards themselves by the state in accordance with the law and the concepts of honor and conscience, but it was the state that brought them up like that. More precisely, he did everything to make it so.

In general, it turns out again the nonsense “a la russe”: someone “left the hut, went to war”, and someone took up “tourism”. And then he will come and will slowly (or maybe out loud) laugh at those who were sitting in the trenches and combing the ruins. All these businessmen, IT people and other human scum.

And most importantly - how much money will they pay for it?

So I read that an apartment in Kazakhstan now costs 800-1000 dollars a month. 100 fugitives, some with families. Well, 000 thousand will pay $ 30 each, because you also need to eat.

Stunned? And I. Because it's $30. This is 000 rubles. One and a half billion. This, by the way, is one Su-000 aircraft. Per month.

That is, as long as people in our country collect pennies to buy everything they need for the army and the militias, these cowards will live there one bomber a month.

No, it won't work like that. Sorry, it's ugly to go into someone else's pocket, but spending money like that is ... imprudent. And this can and should be viewed as an economic crime against Russia.

After all, this money will go to the benefit of countries that are far from being the most pleasant for us. Russophobia in Georgia, yes, is slowly weakening, but in Kazakhstan, on the contrary, it has just taken off. And why should they be supported at all?

By the way, what the Kazakhs will arrange for these fugitives - knowing these people from the inside, I rub my hands in advance. Because the fugitives will naturally wipe their feet. And God forbid that the legs, otherwise they may wipe their hooves. Or whatever the camels have.

But for such an amount of money thrown into the economy of other countries, it is necessary to punish.

And here there is a good idea: let them pay in full for their “vacation”. No, those who have left for good can (but not necessarily) simply be deprived of their citizenship and let them sob emigrant tears in the style of Gulko or Shufutinsky. "True patriots" who simply don't care about politics, as many say on camera. Hiding eyes from the question "Whose Crimea" and so on.

But whoever decides to return after serving time - that's the one to plow in full.

And send to buy. There is money for a comfortable life in Kazakhstan - be kind, pay for a couple of thermal imagers or drones. Or to Orenburg to Comrade Kuznetsov and buy first-aid kits for the company. Or…

In short, there options - through the roof. There would be someone to involve in such operations, but I think that sooner or later we will pull back. Kazakh, you know, this is such an original phenomenon on the world stage... If he wants, he will bring a Jew to bankruptcy, although rather to a heart attack. Very specific people. I do not want to say that it is bad, but harmful. While this is useful in our case, the fugitives there will quickly howl.

So back only through the cash desk of voluntary assistance. No money, spent everything on a “vacation”? Well, here, I'm sure our banks will help.

Indeed, the value of these people in terms of combat is not even zero - it is negative. Would you like such amoebas to gurgle with you in the same trench? I'm sure not. So the country does not really need them. Yes, they work for themselves. As long as it was comfortable. And how it became uncomfortable - here you have traffic jams at the borders and at airports.

You have to say goodbye and forgive. Forgive them for their cowardice and weakness, wipe away their tears and give a friendly kick to the place that shakes the most. And send them to Kazakhstan for re-education.

In general, it will be funny: instilling love for Russia at your own expense among the Kazakhs. I won’t wish it to anyone, because the Kazakhs even have such patriotism… strange. There are not cockroaches in the head, but small scorpions rustle. And so the Kazakhs perfectly bring up love for Russia at the expense of the educated.

There is no point in condemning and pitying those who escaped. These are the people of their time. They were brought up like that, and it is unlikely that they will be able to somehow re-educate them, as well as improve Russian society by depriving the runners of citizenship.

It makes sense to regret, as terminally ill people often regret and ... to make money on their cowardice in full.

Although you can not regret it. They are still third-class people now, and not by chance, but by choice. And in Kazakhstan, and in Georgia, and in Russia.
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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 30 September 2022 04: 41
    +21
    Indeed, the value of these people in terms of combat is not even zero - it is negative

    ***
    Can't you see, cloud
    Much better without you
    Fly away, fly away...

    (Dedicated to all those who "left", including the performer)
    ***
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    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 30 September 2022 08: 22
      +10
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      Can't you see, cloud

      Instead of "cloud" it would be more correct to write "heap"
    3. skeptic
      skeptic 30 September 2022 08: 31
      +16
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      Can't you see, cloud

      All the provocativeness of the topic raised is in turning over the meanings of the events taking place. For the whole world, and in Russia itself, it is Russia "AGGRESSOR". It was possible to keep a sufficient number of rapid reaction forces to support the LDNR in case of aggression. The air defense of the Russian Federation could, without crossing the border, make the sky over the LDNR flightless. But what did the whole world see? I do not know to what level of power the foreign agents of the West are sitting, but the invasion was done, in compromising Russia, by 150%. All subsequent events only confirm this. Including the "regrouping" in the Kharkiv region.
      The main difference of the Russian people is a deeply integrated sense of justice. In today's events, it is broken. No one talks about "disregard for the troubles of Donbass", but since the invasion was made, he speaks of a superbly done operation to bring down Russia's peaceful reputation. And this is the main reason for leaving, very many. It is the unwillingness to participate in the global scam of the destruction of Russia, by the thieves' pahanat. There would be no such outflow of the people of Russia if the events began with the invasion of the NATO-led Ukrobandoty in the LDNR. And it would be perceived as a holy war. And there would be no flows abroad, but there would be queues at the military registration and enlistment offices.
      ps You are aware that if Stalin had started a preventive war against Germany, there was an agreement in the West that the United States, England, etc. Would you have sided with Hitler? This happened to Saddam Hussein, this is happening to Russia now.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 30 September 2022 09: 06
        +7
        Quote: skeptic
        In today's events, it is broken.

        You're not right. Ordinary people are absolutely convinced of the justice of what is happening. The contingent of the type of those who fled (living fat to the SVO), yes, they are sharply opposed, but only because of the impossibility of living as they lived, explaining this type of aggression. The war would have started anyway, only on unfavorable terms for Russia. The no-fly zone over the Lao PDR pulled us into the same databases as the NWO. In the current version, our "elite" for some reason had confidence in the floral version (well, they would meet with flowers). It’s worth dealing with this, but in the other there were so many mistakes before the war simply became inevitable. To my deep regret. Well, now we are simply left with no choice, either victory or genocide according to the Serbian version, and even worse. But there is also understanding in this, therefore, in the vast majority of people, although they are not enthusiastic about all this, they treat with understanding the inevitability of protecting their country.
        1. skeptic
          skeptic 30 September 2022 09: 24
          -4
          Quote: qqqq
          The war would have started anyway, only on conditions unfavorable for Russia

          What could not be more profitable than the fact that my homeland is called the country - "Aggressor"? You can throw "words on the fan" as much as you like, but what happened cannot be changed. You can talk as much as you like, "interpreting" the invasion of Kyiv, but it cannot be called except as a set-up for Russia. Pity the boys, pity the civilian population of Bucha. Only the enemy could conceive such a scam. I don't believe in idiots. Neither in the General Staff, nor in the Kremlin.
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 30 September 2022 10: 05
            +7
            Quote: skeptic
            set-ups for Russia - it cannot be called

            Yes, this is a set-up, and then what? Say sorry and let's go? There is no turning back, no matter how much we all would like to. Whether someone likes it or not, we are all in the same boat, and if we don’t swim out, then everyone will also rip us off and no one will look at whether it was for or against. And history is written by the winner, we will endure - there will be a NWO, they will destroy us, then aggression.
          2. St54
            St54 30 September 2022 15: 17
            +7
            So
            or not, now that's something, how it happened and it happened. But this is not a reason to sprinkle your head and justify those who "escape". They would run anyway. In any case. And Russia is a priori an aggressor in the eyes of "enlightened" Europe. In any case.
          3. Vyacheslav Ermolaev
            Vyacheslav Ermolaev 1 October 2022 11: 53
            +1
            Just don't cry. But for some reason, when the United States, under a fictitious pretext, gouged Iraq, no one called it an aggressor. And there, by the way, 100 civilians died with the total loss of the Iraqi army of 17 people. The countries that bombed Yugoslavia and Libya were not called the aggressor. But now they are trying to convict Russia of the fact that it was she who blew up the gas pipelines.
        2. Torins
          Torins 30 September 2022 09: 36
          -7
          People are fleeing because they are not interested in giving their lives for the seizure of foreign land. I am 200% sure that many of them would not have fled if the territory of the Russian Federation had to be defended. And so everything is according to Remarque, whoever reads will understand, whoever has not read understands little in life.
          1. Romanovski
            Romanovski 30 September 2022 09: 57
            +1
            """".....People are running because they are not interested in giving their lives for the seizure of foreign land...."".
            -------
            Alien land?! Did you accidentally mix up the coasts? Who, where and when decided that allegedly Donbass is a foreign land for Russia??? Lenin? So about the Bolshevik gifts to Ukraine from Russia - Putin has already spoken precisely and aptly .... Who, where and when decided that Crimea is Ukraine ??? Khrushchev himself decided in 1953??? Grossly mistaken ... Who, where and when decided that the ancient Armenian Artsakh (Karabakh) should belong to Azerbaijan ??? Stalin himself decided in 1921 ... He was also mistaken ...
            1. filibuster
              filibuster 30 September 2022 10: 02
              +10
              Who, where and when decided that allegedly Donbass is a foreign land for Russia


              The number of volunteers for seven months perfectly shows the attitude towards the Donbass. Well, let's be honest, how much money did you or your friends give every month over these eight years to help Donbass?
              1. El Barto
                El Barto 30 September 2022 21: 34
                +8
                Volunteers are one thing. Specific people. I'll tell you at one time I fought. And I thought I wouldn't have to. I really didn’t want to, it’s extremely unpleasant. At least because it's hard work. Heavy to carry, dig constantly, nothing to eat. Condensed milk delicacy.
                But now I received a summons and, finally, I put a sorcerer, and I consider this war to be fair. Why? I explain.
                1. At one time I worked in an office called DuPont and went to hohland, to Poltava, where they have a seed factory (they are now being transported by steamboats through Odessa, and no wheat for the starving). And I was amazed that back in 2012 everyone there spoke Russian but hated Russia and Russians. We then fought and got tired of it, and they wrote diplomas in universities how to fight with Russia and how to kill all the Muscovites. It seemed to them that they would defeat us. They really wanted to fight. I told them that there was nothing good in this, I don’t care, they really wanted to fight against the Russians.
                2. None of us needed this war. Neither their territories nor people are needed. Here in the Leningrad region, all this hohland didn’t poop for me. All they wanted was NEUTRALITY. Join the EU, do whatever you want in the economy, the main thing is that there are no enemy troops there. But no, their ambition demanded war.
                3. That's why I'm going to the army. So that there will be no wars. To kill these warlike freaks. I don't want their lands, I'm just going to kill freaks. Everyone. Both females and cubs. Hohlyatsky vyblyaedkov. So that my son has a peaceful life and there are no warlike freaks on the borders
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            2. AB
              AB 30 September 2022 10: 05
              +14
              You should first study the question of why Lenin did all this. And he did it because it was necessary to urgently collect a country that was falling apart. And because of the mistakes and actions of the kings. And in the end, they got a country in which it was all the same whose Crimea. But effective managers came from the opportunists and ruined the country.
            3. Dmitry Rigov
              Dmitry Rigov 30 September 2022 10: 12
              +4
              There was no referendum in Russia on the recognition of Donbass. In the Belovezhskaya Accords, Russia undertook to recognize the integrity of Ukraine.
              1. Kargapoltsev Alexander
                Kargapoltsev Alexander 30 September 2022 10: 41
                -2
                I don't remember well, but it seems that when nuclear weapons were squeezed out of Ukraine, Russia seemed to have pledged to be the guarantor of Ukraine's security.
                On the other hand, that Ukraine, not at all the current one.
                1. Dmitry Rigov
                  Dmitry Rigov 30 September 2022 11: 07
                  +2
                  Here the question is in the perception within Russia. According to this principle, you can generally send anywhere - first we introduce troops, in the territories that we managed to occupy, we announce a referendum on which, of course, 97% are in favor of joining, and now we are sending new mobilized to defend the new "Motherland". Now, in this way, the Zaporozhye region was annexed without Zaporozhye itself, this is actually really a krinzh. Below, in the comments, they already threw a video with the Kazakhs-"Nazis", in this way Asia will have to be "liberated" further. In the current realities, the state is ready to sacrifice the lives of current citizens in search of new citizens.
                  1. Maks winter
                    Maks winter 30 September 2022 23: 47
                    0
                    I don’t mind your words, but, in passing, a remark ...-: how much liberal ... it seems that who is really a patriot of the Motherland is already where it is needed, and here are the fragments ...
                2. SavranP
                  SavranP 30 September 2022 17: 29
                  +3
                  Ukraine was related to the Soviet nuclear weapons only as a place for its deployment, like Kazakhstan and Belarus. The design and construction of Soviet nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons, as well as their production, as well as fissile materials (uranium and plutonium), were located in Russia. Therefore, in the eyes of the Americans, who did the most to eliminate the Ukrainian nuclear weapons, Ukraine looked like a monkey with a grenade. Under the Gor-Chernomyrdin agreement, nuclear weapons exported to Russia were dismantled and weapons-grade uranium was processed into fuel for US nuclear power plants. And somehow it so happened that energy uranium from Russia took a respectable place in the United States, slowing down the development of the US nuclear industry.
              2. lopvlad
                lopvlad 30 September 2022 15: 01
                +7
                Quote: Dmitry Rigov
                In the Belovezhskaya Accords, Russia undertook to recognize the integrity of Ukraine.


                they ended for Ukraine exactly after the coup d'état there in 2014. So Russia owes nothing to Ukraine.
                As for the Budapest memorandum, it would have legal force if it was ratified by the parliaments of Russia, the United States and Ukraine itself. Neither Russia nor the United States, nor even Ukraine itself, ratified it.
              3. Beregovic_1
                Beregovic_1 30 September 2022 19: 43
                +7
                In the current situation, the agreements ceased to operate. NATO is expanding, NATO is an aggressor, not a defensive bloc. NATO countries are running out of resources. We have resources. They made anti-Russia out of Ukraine with the aim of sending them to slaughter in the first echelon, along with the Balts and Poles. We struck first before Ukraine joined NATO. And all this snot about justice and treaties, about the internal rejection of an unfair war as an excuse for escaping from conscription - this is an excuse for cowardice. If they do not understand the layouts - idiots, they understand, but they run - cowards. And yes, I’m a staff member and I’ll go there, so that it doesn’t happen later .....
            4. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 30 September 2022 11: 41
              -4
              Quote from Romanovski
              Alien land?! Did you accidentally mix up the coasts? Who, where and when decided that allegedly Donbass is a foreign land for Russia??? Lenin? So about the Bolshevik gifts to Ukraine from Russia - Putin has already spoken precisely and aptly .... Who, where and when decided that Crimea is Ukraine ??? Khrushchev himself decided in 1953??? Grossly mistaken ... Who, where and when decided that the ancient Armenian Artsakh (Karabakh) should belong to Azerbaijan ??? Stalin himself decided in 1921 ... He was also mistaken ...

              I see you have a very limited view of historical processes. Why did you decide that the borders are forever. But no, one day all states will disappear.
              1. Romanovski
                Romanovski 30 September 2022 12: 38
                +1
                """.... I see your view of historical processes is extremely limited. Why did you decide that borders are forever. But no, one day all states will disappear...."".
                -------
                And why immediately on "YOU" ?? It seems that I didn’t drink with you on brotherhood .... Or someone with tact and culture - - strained, then automatically his view of history is strongly UNLIMITED ??? And where did you get the idea that supposedly one day all states will disappear??? Yes, the American financial and new digital elite are clearly dreaming of this in order to create their own new wonderful World (that is, a slave-owning world ...) under the guise. But dreaming is not harmful ... Hitler (i.e. - Emil, according to memoirs of the chief of military intelligence of the Wehrmacht V.KANARIS ...) - he also dreamed so much that he dreamed that part of his jaw and skull were in the safe of the NKVD / MGB / KGB .....
                1. JD1979
                  JD1979 30 September 2022 13: 17
                  -3
                  Quote from Romanovski
                  And why immediately on "YOU" ?? It seems that I didn’t drink with you on brotherhood .... Or someone with tact and culture -

                  But in essence? Or there is nothing to answer the essence of the question - did you decide to get to the bottom of "commas"?))
                  Quote from Romanovski
                  And where did you get the idea that supposedly one day all states will disappear??? Yes, the American financial and new digital elite are clearly dreaming of this in order to create their new wonderful World on the sly.

                  Umm... I understand that the story is mostly false, but still, something from what goes on in the school took place...
                  The Roman Empire and others in the ancient world is if you dig deep. Until the 20th century, there were no many countries in Europe - they can SUDDENLY be formed. Also, there were not many countries at the end of the 20th century, but suddenly they were formed. Why? Lost lands suddenly found in Europe?))) No? Again, SUDDENLY, for YOU))) they were formed from fragments of disintegrated countries. And yes, globalization is like that - in a competitive or not very competitive struggle, the strongest survive and crush everyone else. So in the end (unless, of course, before that everyone kills each other with nuclear batons), there will be one state or there will be some kind of "planetary government", and the countries will be just administrative units. Well, you don’t have to be Wang to understand that it will be either China, or, again, China in association with India or the "Asian conglomeration" led by China. It will either be so, or - see above about the nuclear baton.
                  1. Romanovski
                    Romanovski 30 September 2022 17: 35
                    +1
                    "" .... So in the end (unless, of course, before that everyone kills each other with nuclear batons) there will be one state or there will be some kind of "planetary government", and the countries will be just administrative units...."".
                    -------
                    A United Planetary Government Is Inevitable?! Absolutely disagree with you. You can not even doubt that the ultimate goal of such a government will be a new slavery with the help of digital (Network, Meta .... crypto ...) and new non-fiat money. It is this NEW totalitarian government of the WORLD SCALE (=SUPER-DICTATATURE...=new fascism) that is the true goal of the collective West, i.e. - if you call a spade a spade - WORLD DOMINATION .... But, in the West, Lenin's words were "forgotten" that any monopoly (and in geopolitics too ...) leads to DECAY and, consequently, to a catastrophe on a global scale .. .Russia, China, India, Iran, the Arab world, part of the Asia-Pacific countries - they understood this very well and strongly oppose the creation of a UNI-POLAR world order, and the West decided to go bankrupt and punish Russia FIRST, then China and further down the list .... But, I I am more than sure that the aggressive and perverted West will sooner or later fall into the hole that it is diligently digging for Russia and China ....
                    1. JD1979
                      JD1979 30 September 2022 19: 47
                      +1
                      Quote from Romanovski
                      A United Planetary Government Is Inevitable?! Absolutely disagree with you. You can not even doubt that the ultimate goal of such a government will be a new slavery with the help of numbers.

                      Well, they openly declare it))))
                      Quote from Romanovski
                      But, in the West, they "forgot" Lenin's words that any monopoly (and in geopolitics too ...) leads to DECAY and, consequently, to a catastrophe on a global scale ...

                      The problem is that we see one thing, but do not see the whole picture. Decay those who were chosen for this role))) The same Europe. It was made from an ally into a donor, then a vassal, then it will simply be a controlled territory, and a single one, without countries (this is how the "elites" of these countries degenerated into inadequate zombies).
                      Quote from Romanovski
                      Russia, China, India, Iran, the Arab world, part of the Asia-Pacific countries - they understood this very well and resolutely oppose the creation of a UNI-POLAR world order

                      Well... Russia opposes, the Arab world tolerates. And China .... while the dogs are biting, they are building their own Chinese world)))
                      Quote from Romanovski
                      But, I am more than sure that the aggressive and perverted West will sooner or later fall into the hole that it is diligently digging for Russia and China ....

                      Well, when it falls (if, after that, someone survives), then the winner will have to replace the vacuum, either by joining himself or creating a controlled puppet state. And if China unequivocally takes it for itself (there are no bad ones, they understand that relapses are possible), then about the Russian Federation ... our FSE is a rake))) In any case, there is one competitor / pole and plus to the monopolar world)))
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 30 September 2022 14: 40
                  -2
                  Quote from Romanovski
                  And where did you get the idea that supposedly one day all states will disappear???

                  Because it's logical. Since these are the laws of the development of society.
                  Quote from Romanovski
                  Yes, the American financial and new digital elite are clearly dreaming of this in order to create their own new wonderful World (that is, a slave-owning world ...) under the guise. But dreaming is not harmful ... Hitler (i.e. - Emil, according to memoirs of the chief of military intelligence of the Wehrmacht V. CANARIS ...)

                  This is some particularly severe form of guardian delirium.
          2. St54
            St54 30 September 2022 15: 23
            +1
            Well, then it’s more honest to abandon the war and “throw the agenda” in the face of the aggressor military commissar. Indeed, resignation is possible. But so after all for "idea". No, it's easier to run. But the main thing is to be "politically motivated".
          3. Emergency
            Emergency 1 October 2022 09: 28
            0
            They would run away like they are running now. The thin-necked, anthelmintic part of the current post-Soviet generation will always run. It is in them forever and for any reason. And there is no need to come up with excuses and plausible excuses. They are cowards under any circumstances. Well, to hell with them.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 1 October 2022 09: 48
              -1
              How easy it is to accuse one side of cowardice. And why is everyone silent about the other side: the children of ministers, officials, deputies? Both sons fought with Stalin, but with these?
              1. Emergency
                Emergency 1 October 2022 11: 18
                0
                And I do not sort them according to the social status of themselves and their mothers-folders. They are all cowards and rubbish to run. I won’t be surprised if this trash in Georgia or Finland is rolled up in camps and even pomuryzhev, riveted from them as “neovlasovites”.
          4. Vyacheslav Ermolaev
            Vyacheslav Ermolaev 1 October 2022 12: 10
            +1
            Yes. I read about the adventures of one of those who fled to Kazakhstan. Fled to avoid mobilization. He wrote about himself: 27 years old, does not have a military specialty, did not serve, and now attention, according to health indications, is in the third group of priority. This is how it was necessary to crap ... in order to get out of Russia. If anything, his father has more chances to get to the NWO than he does. Another tried to commit suicide when the summons arrived. Doctors saved, but not worth it. Would be a nominee for a Darwin Award.
        3. Hypertension
          Hypertension 30 September 2022 12: 27
          -1
          Quote: qqqq
          Ordinary people are absolutely convinced of the justice of what is happening.

          "Ordinary people" are simple for that, that they can pour anything into their heads. They are usually "absolutely" convinced of anything, since they are not able to distinguish shades, but see the world in black and white. Those who understand how deceitful propaganda can be, and how many times politicians' words differed from their deeds, are not so sure of the "justice of what is happening."
          1. St54
            St54 30 September 2022 15: 26
            +2
            And you, apparently, are not at all a "simple person", since you understand everything "correctly" ... No?
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 30 September 2022 16: 03
              +2
              Yes. There's a bit of critical thinking and some sense of objectivity, you know.
              1. Usher
                Usher 2 October 2022 23: 15
                0
                Quote: Hyperion
                Yes. There's a bit of critical thinking and some sense of objectivity, you know.

                Don't praise yourself, no one will praise you
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 3 October 2022 12: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Usher
                  Don't praise yourself, no one will praise you

                  Time is like that. All by myself. Even to the front you have to collect your own equipment. Although I would not say that I praise myself. He said it as it is, without false (there are enough lies in our time) modesty.
        4. evgen1221
          evgen1221 30 September 2022 18: 56
          +6
          Yes, and since 2000 they continue to gynocidize. The focus has shifted from cities to the provinces. And why do you think cities swell from visitors to work and permanent residence, and from part and because of this very thing, living in the provinces becomes more expensive than in a millionaire. And how convenient it is for us to drive the population into our few millionaires. It will be very convenient at once to control 60-70% of the human resources of the Russian Federation with a couple of raids in the city. It's not like in America the population is spread out over the suburbs - everything is compactly stuffed into human beings - it's convenient and cheap to liquidate at once.
        5. Odu1
          Odu1 1 October 2022 09: 23
          +2
          Judging by the photo of the car, they don’t live very fat there.
      2. SaLaR
        SaLaR 30 September 2022 09: 08
        +12
        Yes, it doesn’t sound scary, but I think it was necessary to give a ho, to hit the trash first .. There would be no more victims, but the effect would be the opposite .. A trump card would be beaten out by the main information, Ukraine would be the aggressor, not Russia ..
        1. BIABIA
          BIABIA 30 September 2022 09: 48
          +8
          Russia would still be the aggressor, since for everything the so-called. "civilized world" Donbass is Ukraine, and Russia would intervene in the conflict on the territory of a neighboring state for republics not recognized by anyone. Even if Crimea was flooded, it would be the same on the part of "respected partners" ...
        2. filibuster
          filibuster 30 September 2022 10: 03
          +4
          In my opinion, the most optimal was the entry of the entire group into the LDNR and the declaration of that territory as Russian without further advancement in depth, the West would have grumbled but swallowed, the sanctions would certainly have been but not so large-scale, now the situation is extremely difficult and, frankly, the prospects are not very visible.
        3. Okakakiev
          Okakakiev 30 September 2022 11: 19
          -4
          Rave. The two of you propose to follow the informational agenda of Western propaganda and, despite the military necessity, leave the enemy the initiative, exposing allies in the republics under attack

          That is, you propose to give the enemy the opportunity to control our plans.

          So Ukraine has already launched an attack on the republics from February 20-22
          1. SaLaR
            SaLaR 30 September 2022 11: 27
            +2
            And now they don’t manage like))) I think it’s even like ...
      3. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 30 September 2022 09: 20
        -8
        How did you change the author? You admire him so much and in every possible way supported everything that he used to write ... lol
        1. victor50
          victor50 30 September 2022 11: 39
          +3
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          How did you change the author? You admire him so much and in every possible way supported everything that he used to write ... lol

          Do you think he should always be supported as president? Because they previously agreed with something? Even though it's gone now?
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 30 September 2022 20: 04
            -3
            Do you think that a person rejoicing at the fact that the Kazakhs called him a kotakpas "the head of a penis" has any value? And there, there are a lot of them...
            1. victor50
              victor50 30 September 2022 23: 27
              +1
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              Do you think that a person rejoicing at the fact that the Kazakhs called him a kotakpas "the head of a penis" has any value? And there, there are a lot of them...

              did you answer me? request Or are you talking to yourself?
              1. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 1 October 2022 10: 09
                -2
                Well, you wrote to me that Skomorokhov is wrong here ... so I answered with what this "hamster" and most of them are able to help Russia.
      4. matsur
        matsur 30 September 2022 12: 10
        +4
        Quote: skeptic
        And this is the main reason for leaving, very many. It is the unwillingness to participate in the global scam of the destruction of Russia, by the thieves' pahanat. There would be no such outflow of the people of Russia if the events began with the invasion of the NATO-led Ukrobandoty in the LDNR. And it would be perceived as a holy war. And there would be no flows abroad, but there would be queues at the military registration and enlistment offices.

        +1
        In February, there was a shock from the fact that we attacked first. Then there was the shock of how softly it was carried out.
        Eight years of bombing? And how often did they talk about it on federal channels? Not! The agenda was different. We spent the World Cup and spent a lot of money on this. Well, they didn't cover it. Did you report this to the President? I do not believe that it is not. It is easy to make everyone feel guilty, but what did the authorities themselves do for this?
        Have you carried out import substitution for 8 years? Not! Well, maybe on paper. And most importantly - NO! Maybe they were preparing the troops, keeping records of the storerooms, updating the data in the military registration and enlistment offices? Looking at how the mobilization is going - no !! Those who left could not leave, bringing benefits in civilian life. But no, it was necessary to saw with gusto the bough on which they sat and then, with surprise, rub the beaten back.
        Hell, send some to fight, some with experience, others to at least dig trenches and build fortifications. Damn construction battalion. There are benefits, few run.
        You can think of a lot of things if you think with your head, and not w..oh.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 5 October 2022 20: 52
          -1
          Any reservist training is a waste of time. The regular army should go into battle, and the reservists are precisely the reserve.
      5. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 30 September 2022 12: 21
        0
        Alexander. What is happening is not with Russia, as you put it, but ultimately with Putin personally, and he understands this. But Russia is different. Alexander speaks from the position of a judge. But .. "We all look at Napoleons, there are millions of two-legged creatures!" Judging well, knowing all the details thoroughly. Our government has inherited one of the most unattractive features of the Soviet system - the desire to classify everything, so I do not undertake to be a judge in this matter. But on an emotional level, I feel that Putin was right on February 24th. Why? Because for 8 years we all knew Putin as an extremely cautious politician who started a rigmarole with the Minsks, it would be better to have a dialogue in the style. And since he decided on this, and not out of the blue, but preparing, pulling the troops, bringing Lukashenka to his senses, it means that something inevitably threatened us ... that made him. Just in the Soviet style, he did not tell the people what exactly served as the trigger. What exactly made him, I don’t know, but obviously, by the way, it was not the shelling of Donbass, because the Ukrainians were standing in front of Donetsk, and they are still standing, but they were driven away from the Crimea. Another thing is the execution of the plan - it does not fit in the head - the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv and the defeat near Kharkov. Alexander justifies the fugitives on emotions. On the other hand, I believe on emotions that if we accepted into Russia people who were forced or not forced to believe in Russia, then now it is necessary to ensure the safety of our new compatriots, and not, as before, "with a slow step, a timid zigzag."
      6. Taimen
        Taimen 30 September 2022 13: 25
        +8
        For more than 30 years they have been pumping "Western values" into the young. That's it. And now they want everything to be as it should be. It won't be.
        1. kamakama
          kamakama 30 September 2022 22: 35
          +4
          "The government is to blame for the depravity of the youth"
          Ahem. I would say - she herself set an example))) Personal, lifestyle
      7. SavranP
        SavranP 30 September 2022 16: 37
        +1
        Only on the globe, Ukraine "the whole world" considers Russia an aggressor. For Bandera, "the whole world" is the Anglo-Saxon states and the paid satellites that joined them. No need to drag high spirituality to ordinary cowardice. And the fact that the Anglo-Saxons could take the side of Hitler in the war against the USSR has long been no secret. And Stalin knew this, why he pulled to the last with mobilization, so as not to give a reason to declare the USSR the aggressor. With the ensuing consequences: huge losses at the beginning of the war. As I understand it, you wanted Russia to wash itself with a lot of blood too? Who you are? I doubt that a patriot of Russia.
      8. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 30 September 2022 23: 01
        +1
        Do you know where the Germans got when Stalin waited for their first blow?
        We looked at Moscow through binoculars.
  2. VORON538
    VORON538 30 September 2022 04: 42
    +17
    I won’t say about Mongolia, but our border with China is closed. There has been no passenger traffic for several years due to the coronovirus. In China, this is very strict. They say, if only through Moscow, but I doubt that we can talk about mass character. Where can I know? I live in the Good, and beyond the Amur-Heihe. And the attitude towards these "frightened" ... and what attitude can there be towards them now? As to an empty place. Fake.
    1. Sergey028
      Sergey028 30 September 2022 05: 10
      +8
      How nice to see the handwriting of a fellow countryman! Greetings from Belogorsk!
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 30 September 2022 08: 37
        +1
        Hello! I also lived in Belogorsk, while I was studying at a techie, and they were called from there!
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 September 2022 06: 58
      0
      Artyom, I have been to the cities of the Far East, located near the border, I wrote to you in a personal
    3. filibuster
      filibuster 30 September 2022 09: 06
      +12
      .And the attitude towards these "frightened" ... and what attitude can there be towards them now? As to an empty place. Fake.


      It is easy to call it frightened and maybe even somewhere cowardly, who will not be able to answer citizens, and what to say “peck” the weak “loved” even in the Soviet army.
      And why doesn’t anyone call to strike in the rights or call fake all those who planned this small victorious special operation and brought it to the point that seven months later mobilization was needed, why not strike in the rights of those who have been our Minister of Defense for more than ten years and in the General Staff, who was involved in the reforms of the army, but in reality it turns out that we do not have any modern army, that the mobilized need to buy everything themselves.
      I don’t hear cries to call the commander-in-chief a “fake” who, using Peskov’s words, stated that there would be no exchanges of Nazis from Azov, and even less British mercenaries, and even more so for Medvedchuk, who is not interesting to us at all, but in fact an exchange happens, about which moreover we will learn from the Ukrainian side how the exchange of another prisoner with the call sign Taira (or something like that) took place before.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 04: 45
    -3
    I treat these runners with contempt... even in Russia one should wipe one's feet about such people... they have spoiled this part of society with tolerance too much.
    In Kazakhstan and Georgia, Russophobes will show them where democracy and human rights end.
    I hope the Kremlin will finally understand who they can rely on in a difficult situation and who must always be supported by the ruble and the law.
    Our traitors, with their stupid mind, do not understand that the West needs them only as the executioners of their own people, and the money they stole from our country will be taken away and used to purchase weapons for the Ukronazis ... so the conversation with the traitors of our country and people should be short ... either a wall or the construction of a railway to Kamchatka.

    1. Asad
      Asad 30 September 2022 05: 35
      +22
      A week ago, they handed a summons to a neighbor in the country, he had not served for 40 years, they went to a meeting with a request to give time to settle things with the company, and now he wrote that he was released. They said that they would call for a general mobilization. That's what the magic pendel does.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 30 September 2022 06: 10
        +2
        Neighbor 60 years old? Dmzhe at the general does not fit.
        1. Asad
          Asad 30 September 2022 06: 32
          +15
          I apologize for misrepresenting my thoughts. It should be read, 40 years old, did not serve in the army.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 30 September 2022 06: 35
            +1
            I already guessed that the comma is not there.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 30 September 2022 06: 51
      -4
      Legislatively deprive them of their citizenship. They chose their fate. Well, or in extreme cases, a ban on the profession
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 07: 23
        -6
        I agree about citizenship, but I think that if it doesn’t come to that, it can be done differently: a reduction in rights. They do not have the right to elect and be elected, they do not have the right to have their own business, in any field of activity, they do not have the right to occupy positions higher than workers. For 10 years. And, and the income for such cannot exceed the minimum wage. I got a job for 50 thousand, conditionally, without problems. Minimum wage on hand, the rest - in the budget.
        1. 1939_1940
          1939_1940 30 September 2022 08: 27
          +18
          After all, how interesting it turns out .. Those who were told fairy tales from TVs about the fact that only professionals would fight and there would be no mobilization, everything is going according to plan, there are no losses, we are in no hurry, it means traitors .. And those who are still regularly fills the Ukrainian GTS with gas, and Druzhba with oil, paying loot to Ukraine, who pro .. al everything that is possible militarily, from cruisers to regroupings, are these heroes? Are the heroes who just give away the Nazis who killed our soldiers? Are the heroes who have been destroying the Russian economy for years? The people who leave are just a lot smarter than you..
          1. Dilettante grandfather
            Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 10: 46
            +3
            No problem. Let their smart heads be kept once and for all outside Russia. I'm not at all against it, on the contrary - only for the fact that these slugs do not return.
          2. sgrabik
            sgrabik 30 September 2022 23: 49
            0
            Cowardly corrupt bastard, and where, in what place did you see their mind !!!
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 1 October 2022 10: 05
              0
              I saw a lot of smart people among those who left the country. For example, Sergey Guriev is the smartest person and Russian.
      2. Jackson
        Jackson 30 September 2022 07: 36
        +16
        Well, I don't support these runners in any way, but they have nothing to show! Is the exit from the country closed? No. Those. they can simply be called tourists ... But if, when leaving the country, they hand over subpoenas to the military registration and enlistment office, then everything changes dramatically, the matter will already smell like an article. And without that, they have nothing to present ...
        1. Dilettante grandfather
          Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 10: 48
          -2
          There is no need to present them with anything. Just a ban on entry, and deprivation of citizenship. Everything. Absolutely normal.
          1. Jackson
            Jackson 30 September 2022 13: 08
            +5
            There are no grounds... In general, in the fall I wanted to go to Central Asia... I dream of seeing the Pamirs... Now I won't go... But what if I went? Deprive me automatically of citizenship? Excuse me, on what basis?
            1. Dilettante grandfather
              Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 14: 13
              -2
              Are you a conscript? Are you under mobilization? If not, then you can safely go. If yes, then it's not worth it.
              1. Jackson
                Jackson 30 September 2022 18: 44
                +3
                obligated. But over the years, I can only get into the second wave, an ordinary 40+ ... No, now I won’t go. And air prices have skyrocketed, and they will give people more, without understanding whether they are a tourist or a deserter. And the situation has now changed dramatically in the country. No, now is not the time for tourism ...
                1. Dilettante grandfather
                  Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 18: 50
                  0
                  Well, it's up to you. 40+ yes, it does. In this regard, it is both easier and more difficult for me. Already deregistered, 54 years old. They won't even volunteer, most likely.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 30 September 2022 23: 28
                    -1
                    They'll take it. As long as you can volunteer. And with the universal necessarily, I think I will have to be 60+. Killed, we are with the West, seriously. As happens every 100 years. It doesn’t matter out of stupidity or out of calculation and Putin’s knowledge of the real threat to the Russian Federation, this has already happened, there is nowhere to retreat. Well, except for the line of the 90s, when a drunken EBN sang while dancing, God save America. Even if we reach the borders with Poland, the war will not stop. Is that a vigorous loaf zhahnet.
                    1. Dilettante grandfather
                      Dilettante grandfather 1 October 2022 06: 55
                      0
                      They'll take it. As long as you can volunteer.
                      Until they take it. On Monday-Tuesday, maybe I'll take a walk to the military registration and enlistment office. My VUS was not suitable for the conditions ... But I have nothing to do in the infantry, my health is not right. If they agree to train a tank as a driver, maybe they will take, however, my height is over 180. And so - the MAZ 543 mechanical driver is not needed there ...
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 1 October 2022 10: 09
                        0
                        If you're determined, go ahead. But tankers also need excellent health. Do not be a burden to comrades and commanders. You have to fight there, not just serve.
                      2. Dilettante grandfather
                        Dilettante grandfather 1 October 2022 10: 47
                        0
                        I understand. Let's see. If they give us an opportunity, we will fight. No no.
      3. Terrano
        Terrano 30 September 2022 10: 46
        +6
        Haven't they tried to teach patriotism to the sons of our officials who live in Europe? Or one of those?
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 30 September 2022 12: 04
          -2
          An interesting opinion of a character who has just registered .. Banned? I understand? Or from liberda?
          1. frog
            frog 30 September 2022 16: 49
            -1
            That is, the issue with the sons has disappeared? if liberda says that the acceleration of free is 9,81 - you will argue the same and disagree, since liberda said?
            1. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 30 September 2022 17: 14
              0
              Of course it fell away. Because the question is completely stupid.
              1. frog
                frog 30 September 2022 17: 34
                0
                Banned? Understand? Or from Liberda?

                Because the question is completely stupid.

                It's hard to argue here hi
      4. Deep Diver
        Deep Diver 30 September 2022 13: 32
        +2
        On what basis? They didn't break any law
    3. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 30 September 2022 07: 01
      +9
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I treat these runners with contempt... even in Russia one should wipe one's feet about such people... they have spoiled this part of society with tolerance too much.

      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 5 October 2022 21: 01
        0
        Replace item 5 with Betrayal. At the border, you need to write out subpoenas, did not come, upon returning to the country to bunk beds, depression and denial and anger will be cured there.
    4. kin
      kin 30 September 2022 07: 33
      +11
      The Kremlin always relies on people like you, and when it carried out pension reform and elections at all levels, it dispersed demonstrations of dissatisfied people and judged them. We still need to figure out who is a traitor or a strikebreaker.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 5 October 2022 21: 03
        -1
        You are a traitor, do not hesitate. It is not the Kremlin that is fighting, but the country, he left his homeland in a difficult time, you are an enemy. If my country is at war, I don’t care who and why, then we’ll figure it out after the victory.
        1. kin
          kin 6 October 2022 04: 48
          0
          It is not the country that is at war, it is the state that is at war. And where are you now, in Ukraine?
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 14 October 2022 11: 31
            0
            I am a reserve officer, air defense, but already a bit old, my complex was reduced 30 years ago. I served my country in the most difficult time in the early 90s, now I’m of little use, but if they call me to go, I won’t run.
            And now for the smart guy: a country is a society that exists on a certain territory, without fail having a state, i.e. such a part of itself that preserves, protects this society and its territory within clear boundaries, directs and manages them on behalf of its citizens.
            The COUNTRY, the people, is fighting, and the state is just a control machine, a part of the country that performs its functions, it cannot fight, because it has neither people nor borders.
            1. kin
              kin 14 October 2022 15: 31
              -2
              And now for an old reserve officer, as I understand it, here everyone is pissing boiling water for themselves, old and pretending to be fiery fighters. I can’t, I won’t be of any use, let others go there, but I’m always ready ... our song is good, start over.
              I'm not going to give you political information, google the definitions of what a country is and what a state is. If it is not clear, there were letters.
              1. Viktor Sergeev
                Viktor Sergeev 14 October 2022 17: 18
                0
                And now for the clown, unlike you, I served the Motherland, and also studied social science and I know perfectly well what a country and a state are. But you run to Kazakhstan, because in which case we will first destroy our traitors, and then we will go to kill the Ukrainians with the whole country, and not the state.
                You study the words of the song: "Get up, huge country."
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      1. paul3390
        paul3390 30 September 2022 08: 02
        +26
        Here, by the way, there is another interesting aspect of this mobilization .. In Russia, there are probably several million newly-minted citizens. Which, of course, have never served in the RF Armed Forces, and therefore are not subject to mobilization. That is, the indigenous - to the front, and the newcomers - to the shops ?? Strange somehow it turns out .. In fairness - that's exactly what they should first of all prove devotion to the new Motherland? Not?
        1. Gpn27
          Gpn27 30 September 2022 09: 35
          +2
          In Crimea, most of the mobilized served in the Ukrainian army, and not in the RF Armed Forces, there are no problems with their mobilization. New citizens from Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, etc. can be called upon if necessary.
        2. sgrabik
          sgrabik 1 October 2022 00: 03
          -2
          To deprive Russian citizenship and take away passports, all this is solved quickly and simply, why do we need these fleeing dregs of society, on which one cannot even rely on in difficult times.
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      2. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 30 September 2022 08: 53
        +8
        For some reason, many do not know that 90 percent of these "refugees" are actually Kazakhs who recently received Russian passports.
        Same thing with the "refugees" in Georgia. These are Georgians with Russian passports.

        Do not make nonsense - the vast majority of these "refugees" are still Russians. Or do you think if a Russian was born in Kazakhstan or Georgia, then he is Kazakh or Georgian, respectively? Then everything is even harder, I don’t even know what to say here.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 30 September 2022 11: 55
          +2
          And what is most interesting, ethnic Kazakhs from Russia do not shy away from service.
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 30 September 2022 13: 09
            +5
            Believe it or not, but friends from KZ say that among those who came running to the same Astana and Almaty, there are many Muscovites, St. Petersburg residents and people from million-plus cities. I believe, because not everyone can afford to pay such horse money for a flight and renting an apartment.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 30 September 2022 14: 46
              +1
              Yes, I know. And there is nothing surprising in this.
      3. ramires056
        ramires056 30 September 2022 09: 29
        +1
        I live in the Orenburg region, 150 km from Kazakhstan, recently an acquaintance went to Kazakhstan on a business trip and said that most cars at the border are in line with Moscow and St. Petersburg numbers
      4. Bioorganism
        Bioorganism 30 September 2022 10: 10
        -2
        It would be very good now to urgently issue subpoenas to people with two passports in the first place. And vice versa, it is better to do everything according to the law.
        Let's just according to the law and transfer to Kazakhstan information about the fugitives, who have a second citizenship. It's punishable there, so let them figure it out. The runners will run back.

        And according to guest workers, one of them is probably a patriot of Russia. Many are held back only by their lack of citizenship. Give citizenship immediately complete with a passport, with a summons, and give everything only at the military registration and enlistment office and after a medical examination.
        1. your1970
          your1970 30 September 2022 20: 57
          0
          Quote from Bioorganism
          for sure a patriot of Russia. Many are held back only by their lack of citizenship. Give citizenship immediately complete with a passport, with a summons, and give everything only at the military registration and enlistment office and after a medical examination.
          - yes, there is already a simplified procedure - a year of military service
          1. Bioorganism
            Bioorganism 1 October 2022 11: 08
            0
            no, only yesterday they began to publish a new order signed by Putin.
      5. Kargapoltsev Alexander
        Kargapoltsev Alexander 30 September 2022 10: 48
        -2
        Especially to take away the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
      6. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 10: 49
        -1
        And those who received a Russian passport, just for the convenience of work?
        I hope that if they left, they renounced their Russian citizenship? Since the work, for the convenience of which, they quit, why do they need citizenship?
      7. Zymran
        Zymran 30 September 2022 11: 54
        +3
        This is a lie and a translation of the arrows. Moreover, I don’t know about Georgians, but the majority of Kazakh citizens who have received Russian citizenship are Russians. Kazakhs do not need your citizenship for free.
      8. St54
        St54 30 September 2022 15: 36
        -1
        So it is so, but after all, when citizenship
        begged for the convenience of work, did not imagine that this could turn out? Or did not read that a citizen is obliged?
  4. hangar200
    hangar200 30 September 2022 04: 50
    +2
    Don't give up on your people. Every nation has its heroes, traitors and just cowards. Traitors must cut down the forest and continue to develop the Kolyma. Cowards must be taken out and sent to the second echelon, they will benefit if there is a third echelon behind them.
    1. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 07: 26
      -1
      Underpants must be taken out and sent to the second echelon
      why should we do what the Ukrainian Nazis do? Why do we need a second echelon with detachments behind us? After all, a coward may not be afraid to run forward, shooting at the back of the first echelon, just to surrender to the enemy ...
  5. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 30 September 2022 04: 52
    +1
    But whoever decides to return after serving time - that's the one to plow in full.
    And send to buy.
    I agree, "plow" - only at the "Komsomol" construction site in Siberia, up to five years! And "buy" is the same as "buy".
    1. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 07: 26
      -7
      You are kind, dear. Five years is nothing. Chervonchik, at least, with confiscation ...
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 30 September 2022 09: 58
        +6
        Comrades! Don't make nonsense!
        What is 5 years for them to leave the country?
        Not a single such fugitive, in fact and legally, faces practically nothing serious!
        The only thing that can then be applied to them, based on the totality of the norms of the Federal Law on mobilization, the Code of Administrative Offenses and the Criminal Code, is Art. 21.5 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation - Non-appearance of a citizen who is or is obliged to be on military registration, on the call (summon) of the military commissariat or other body that carries out military registration, at the prescribed time and place without a good reason, failure to appear at the prescribed time at the military commissariat for military registration accounting, removal from military registration and making changes to military registration documents when moving to a new place of residence located outside the territory of the municipality, place of stay for a period of more than three months or leaving the Russian Federation for a period of more than six months or entering the Russian Federation, as well as failure to report within the prescribed period to the military commissariat or to another body that carries out military registration about a change in marital status, education, place of work or position, about moving to a new place of residence located within the territory of the municipality, or place of stay -

        (in the edition of the Federal Law from 09.03.2010 N 27-FZ)

        (see the text in the previous wording) - entails a warning or the imposition of an administrative fine in the amount of five hundred to three thousand roubles.

        What about Art. 337-340 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in which to amend? Yes, nothing - until a citizen in a military registration and enlistment office or a collection point has signed a mobilization order and / or contract - he is not threatened by any of these articles of the Criminal Code, because. he does not yet have military status. Moreover, even the first summons was not handed to him, because. he physically flowed over the hill.

        Now about what scares the military registration and enlistment office and some deputies. Article 328 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - Evasion of conscription for military service in the absence of legal grounds for exemption from this service; Evasion of alternative civilian service by persons exempted from military service.
        Here we read the explanations of the Supreme Court: paragraph 2 of the decision of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation No. 3 of 03.04.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX: Subjects of the crime provided for by part 1 of article 328 of the Criminal Code
        Russian Federation, are male citizens who have reached the age of 18, consisting
        or required to be registered with the military and [b]not in the reserve
        ,
        subject to military conscription in accordance with the procedure established by law
        (hereinafter referred to as conscripts).
        Therefore, Art. 328 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation cannot be applied to fugitives. That is why we do not see now ships and landings of evaders in Russia.
        In this regard, it seems that this issue with those mobilized at the age of 27+ is not defined in terms of responsibility for draft evasion for mobilization.
        That is why the Ministry of Defense declared that it would not put anyone on any international wanted list.
        That is why there are no grounds on the basis of adm. offenses of fugitives to be subjected to criminal investigation. They will come, fined 3000 rubles. and everything will be the same for them!
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 30 September 2022 16: 25
          +2
          Well, finally, at least someone reads the laws, and not just listens to all sorts of Solovyovs and deputies who do not know the laws that they themselves adopt. laughing
          1. mojohed2012
            mojohed2012 30 September 2022 18: 14
            -2
            We have been working as lawyers for 20 years. I can’t miss how they talk about horror stories that the military commissars traditionally scare everyone. So those who escaped escaped and this is their own business. When there is a victory, their veterans will tread at the fountains so that they remember where they were and where the heroes celebrating the great victory.
        2. frog
          frog 30 September 2022 16: 55
          +3
          That is why, the wise Defense Ministry said that it would not scare the escapees in Kazakhstan. Because there is no legal basis for this. The squeals of individual drivers of the guards sofas are of little interest to anyone. Moreover, if they did so, there would be a formal reason to shock, sorry, other citizens who are not hiding in Kazakhstan at all. And do they need it? so they can splash here with saliva until they get bored .....
          1. mojohed2012
            mojohed2012 30 September 2022 18: 21
            +3
            You're right. Well, it has long been clear to everyone that, according to the established tradition, the military commissariats stupidly like to score on the study of the provisions of the Federal Law on military duty ...., On mobilization ..., Regulations on military registration, shows of the Russian Federation. There is an approach to their duties as in the police, where, apart from the sledakk and dozvetel, no one of the Criminal Code, Code of Criminal Procedure and the Code of Administrative Offenses, the plenums of the RF Armed Forces does not even read or search. Why. There is a landing / call plan. Take everyone who is easier to reach, there are a lot of them and you don’t need to strain, but why difficult runners and dodgers? And there is no state, and there is no desire, and just laziness. So they even sweep those who did not serve, without the experience of military service, without wus, who draw right there during mobilization.
            On the decree and "words" and explanations of the president and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, all the military commissars, without exception, put it a long time ago.
            1. frog
              frog 30 September 2022 18: 44
              +1
              Oh, if it were only in the military registration and enlistment offices .... And among ... the funeral directors ..... Similar .... situevina is almost everywhere. Shaw in medicine, sho in education, sho where else .... Sometimes - because to observe .... "paper" is simply not realistic. For example, if you are going to take schoolchildren on a camping trip, then, according to the instructions, you can drink them only with bottled water. 3 liters per day per person, according to the standard. 10 students for a week, for example)))......
              In the same industry associated with ... defense. One office has the right to use imported packaging. Some - no way.
              Well, and the observance by all kinds of security forces of some kind of legal requirements there ..... tradition, sir ....
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 30 September 2022 23: 52
                +2
                In general, we have laws to be enforced only for feed, sorry, for the electorate. But this is how things will go, the case with the shot military commissar will not be an isolated one. It would be better for them all the same not to be lazy and turn their heads under their caps.
          2. AdAstra
            AdAstra 30 September 2022 18: 47
            +2
            About other citizens and not to Kazakhstan, you correctly noted this, otherwise, "why is it possible for this, but not for us?".
        3. sgrabik
          sgrabik 1 October 2022 00: 17
          -2
          Nonsense is ridiculous, it clearly smacks of a more serious crime, the deliberate concealment of one's location in order to avoid the legal delivery of a summons to arrive at the military registration and enlistment office !!!
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 04: 58
    -4
    Quote: angara200
    Don't give up on your people.

    Of course, it’s not worth it ... for especially stubborn traitors, it is necessary to recreate dispensaries in the swamps of Kolyma and Magadan with sessions of wellness procedures in the form of labor at logging sites.
    The sun, air and water are the best doctors and time will have to think.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 30 September 2022 07: 04
      +4
      Lesha, good morning! hi Are there other options besides the wall and Kolyma?
      1. dauria
        dauria 30 September 2022 08: 08
        +3
        Are there other options besides the wall and Kolyma?

        Hello old timers. May I intervene? There is an option. Now, crossing the border, a person does not violate anything and believes that he will return later. It is necessary that he HIMSELF make a choice at the border line - there freely, back - through prison. And for this, the law prohibiting the departure of 18-60 years (with reasonable rare exceptions). And responsibility for its violation in the Criminal Code. Release against signature "I do not have Russian citizenship, I have been warned about the article" - and good riddance. Do not keep .
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 30 September 2022 09: 17
          +1
          Hello Dauriya! Well, here is one of the normal options. With a stamp in the passport, I also liked it. And then some: the tundra, Kolyma - here you need to think about how to save, what can be saved. And the process of demarcation and sorting can go to the very end, like cabbage. And end with the death of the country.
        2. Suhoy
          Suhoy 30 September 2022 10: 06
          +3
          What are all the patriots here. Why haven't you volunteered yet?
        3. N3onMiami
          N3onMiami 30 September 2022 10: 51
          0
          Then they won't come back :)
          And even more will leave after such draconian measures. And not only the labor force is leaving, but also IT specialists, scientists and other specialists. Instead of talking nonsense about Kolyma here, it would be better if they went to the front as a volunteer, they would show an example to those who left.
          1. dauria
            dauria 30 September 2022 15: 07
            -1
            set an example for those who have left.

            Won't you blush with shame if toothless old men in their seventies put on uniforms again instead of IT people? It is only with Valya Tereshkova at 65 that life beats like a fountain.
            1. frog
              frog 30 September 2022 16: 57
              +1
              Well no. If, having lived to toothlessness, the old people have not grown wiser, they are not inclined to blush. Age often comes alone, leaving wisdom in a tavern....
              1. dauria
                dauria 30 September 2022 18: 58
                -1
                If, having lived to toothlessness, the old people did not grow wiser -

                Do you know what our difference is?
                Young think that old people are stupid
                And the old people знаютthat the young are stupid. .

                And we have long tried all your "brilliant" nonsense in our own skin.
                1. frog
                  frog 30 September 2022 19: 05
                  0
                  They didn’t guess)) Our Politburo, at one time, knew that
                  young people are stupid. .

                  Do not remind me how it all ended there?
                  And examples of such - about a ton .....
                  And taking into account the fact that someone there was going to dress in seventy uniforms .... Then wisdom just went to smoke and got lost. Not to mention the fact that having, conditionally, an indulgence, you can demand victims as much as you like.
                  If wisdom were complete with age, she would have to ask certain things until the conditional month of February. Referring to 1904, 1914, 1917, 1941 and so on. And if the TV replaces wisdom in old age, then let her eat this soup herself .....
        4. frog
          frog 30 September 2022 16: 56
          -1
          And why are you not in the State Duma? However, with such ideas, you would fly out of there, exceeding the speed of sound. If they hit at all wink
        5. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 30 September 2022 18: 25
          +2
          This is an illegal restriction of the rights of citizens by birth. They won't go for it. Yes, and a criminal for the fact that you have not yet been called up, have not been summoned by a summons, but you sit nervous and wait - this is too much. Closing the exit or entry is, in fact, we will make a prisoner out of Russia.
        6. tkoh
          tkoh 30 September 2022 21: 32
          +1
          What's the point in staying in Russia? There is no work, and now they are also sent to the front
  7. BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 30 September 2022 05: 05
    +1
    All who left the country during the period of mobilization to hit the electoral rights (to elect and be elected to the bodies of all branches of government) for life. And on his return to prosecute.
    1. odometer
      odometer 30 September 2022 05: 51
      -8
      That's right. And let them build million-plus cities in the tundra or wherever they wanted.
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 07: 28
        -3
        ... And until there is a garden city in the tundra, with flowering apple trees, pears and avocados, do not let go back.
    2. Deep Diver
      Deep Diver 30 September 2022 13: 35
      0
      On what basis? They didn't break any law
  8. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 30 September 2022 05: 06
    +35
    All these businessmen, IT people and other human scum.
    i.e., as I understand it IT people is it a priori "human scale"? Those. working in the field of information technology 100% traitor and scum? Well... congratulations. Then, "dear" Roman, turn off the Internet, throw away your smartphone, screw up your computer with a sledgehammer, do not use a debit card (if you use it), demand in the store that you check the check not at the electronic cash register, but demand a cash register that is not connected to the Internet ... and so on and so on .... After all, all this and much more like - the work of enterprises, transport of all types, nuclear power plants there and so on are serviced, including by those whom you named
    scale human
    good Thank you! I was so "pleased".
    And yes. I am the same IT specialist, with the age of 49 years. And imagine, there is not even a thought to tear the claws somewhere. and yes, I am subject to the call. And I know younger colleagues, who are in the first category, and who do not break anywhere. And I know those of my colleagues who are not subject to conscription, and who have already broken, it is known where and who smears their skis hard.
    1. frog
      frog 30 September 2022 17: 00
      -1
      And cho, do not boil??? It's strange .... Shit itself disappears in the toilet .... And tyrnet itself appears, only money to pay ... isn't it? And then these same characters weep from the lack of how many nanometers in their native defense industry .... Combustible, CSH, sob with tears ...
      But it normal. This, as they say, is a trend ....
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 1 October 2022 04: 21
        0
        So what
        kkk we say in Primorye - "cho - ass in Chinese." But I think it will be difficult for you wassat
        1. frog
          frog 1 October 2022 21: 20
          -1
          I have a child, while it was small, she said "pie." Troshka was more educated, apparently. Are you all like that, in Primorye? Or is it the Chinese influence? There are more and more of them, unlike you ... But this is not a claim against you, if sho ....
          And for the outstanding representatives of our Far East .... What did you want to say?)
          Or for those who are especially gifted, it’s hard to understand that there is still sarcasm (Haven’t you heard such a word?), that programmers, in general, are the same people as engineers or are there doctors? And that these specialists, precisely specialists, are not enough? like everyone else, by the way .... With the uryakalki, however, everything was fine, but even then, something decreased ....
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 30 September 2022 20: 56
      +4
      Oh, you are such a scum, preventing Roman from shooting foam at advertising shows! Although, what is there, I am exactly the same scum involved in ensuring the stability, security and integrity of the operation of communication facilities, data processing centers, as well as public communication facilities and lines of the Russian Federation.
  9. Popenko
    Popenko 30 September 2022 05: 07
    +5
    We need to start getting rid of the dirt. And, finally, to adopt a law prohibiting dual citizenship, and not only for officials. A person who has a passport of another state is a "semi-citizen". What for such are necessary?
  10. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 05: 17
    -14
    Quote: Region-25.rus
    as I understand it, IT people are a priori "human scale"? .

    You misunderstand...
    our IT specialist is a multidimensional creature... living in several temporal and material spaces and realities at once and choosing a convenient place of existence for himself depending on the comfort of work, life, views and then... there are no restrictions for him in the virtual world and he is very infuriated when something does not suit him in the real world and does not obey his inner desires smile... hence such chaotic and thoughtless actions.
    Somehow he reminds me of the alien character from the movie Men in Black 3.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 30 September 2022 05: 43
      +10
      You misunderstand...
      I understand as it is written. And if, let's say, I would like to write more precisely, so that there would be no rumors and misunderstandings, so to speak, "separate the husband from the cutlets" would be written like this -
      all sorts of hipster representatives of IT
      . Who are the hipsters, I think everyone knows. And who does not know, google and draw conclusions about what is written in the article.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 30 September 2022 05: 50
        -11
        Understand as you wish ... I do not encroach on your freedom of thought ... smile
        I googled forums for the interest of IT people at one time ... they seem to be smart and advanced people, but they swear like the last shoemakers.
        And so the people are normal ... only there are a lot of cockroaches running around in their heads. hi
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 30 September 2022 06: 14
          +9
          Take it how you want...
          I was talking about wording. To you personally hi
    2. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 30 September 2022 06: 52
      +3
      According to you, this IT specialist is ready to go under anyone, comfort is above all.
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 30 September 2022 05: 18
    +11
    . However, although the Constitution says that “a person, his rights and freedoms are the highest value”, there is also the fact that it is the Person and the Citizen who are obliged to protect all this.


    Constitution? Seriously? And what else is written there?
    1. Vladislav 73
      Vladislav 73 30 September 2022 06: 57
      +20
      Quote: sergo1914
      Constitution? Seriously? And what else is written there?

      That the supreme bearer of power is the people laughing That the subsoil belongs to the people wink That Russia is a welfare state yes A lot of interesting things ... In short, an entertaining reading, like a favorite book from childhood "Russian Folk Tales" good
      1. frog
        frog 30 September 2022 17: 02
        0
        Is the "18+" tag worth it? And then some minor reads, decides that this is the way it is .....
        1. Vladislav 73
          Vladislav 73 30 September 2022 23: 01
          +2
          Well, well, you are so .... on fairy tales and the tag 18+ ... What kind of fairy tales are these? laughing Rather, it is necessary in the preface (which the Preamble is called) as in films, to write something like: "All events and characters are fictional. Any coincidences are accidental. For any coincidence with reality, the director and screenwriter are not RESPONSIBLE! The authors did not set themselves the task of inspiring truthfulness what is happening .... Well, all sorts of blah blah blah ... "
          1. frog
            frog 1 October 2022 21: 41
            -1
            So I assumed that after 18 everyone understands this anyway))))
            1. Vladislav 73
              Vladislav 73 1 October 2022 22: 04
              0
              Well, that means to ban people under the age of 18 from reading the Constitution .... In order not to "excite" their fragile minds. As an option. good On a good note, it’s time to generally ban citizens from reading any such fiction, otherwise they’ve become completely loose, they start asking questions .... And any references to the Constitution and other legal acts should be declared fake and criminalized! There is already experience - our "legislators" have "knocked their hand" well on covid-madness or NWO! Sincerely hi
              1. frog
                frog 1 October 2022 22: 22
                -1
                No need to tell them, let them think for themselves)))
                1. Vladislav 73
                  Vladislav 73 1 October 2022 22: 33
                  0
                  Think about it, no doubt. To the point that we ourselves then go nuts! belay
  12. Koronik
    Koronik 30 September 2022 05: 24
    +11
    I was born and raised in Kazakhstan, I know these people firsthand, I can say that a Kazakh friend is a true friend who will always lend a helping hand, but will never forgive betrayal. I am glad that it is there that the re-education period for the fled Russians will be, I think it will not be easy for them.
    1. kin
      kin 30 September 2022 07: 41
      +1
      Yes, hare tryndet with such pathos. Kazakhs are the same people as everyone else. Patriots have gathered, laughter then. As it was said about the Uryaks here, you only know how to piss sofas. Previously, grandmothers gathered on benches and spread gossip, now on Military Review.
      Quote: Koronik
      I was born and raised in Kazakhstan, I know these people firsthand, I can say that a Kazakh friend is a true friend who will always lend a helping hand, but will never forgive betrayal. I am glad that it is there that the re-education period for the fled Russians will be, I think it will not be easy for them.
    2. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 30 September 2022 11: 37
      0
      I read something similar in the books of Yu.I. Mukhin "USSR Lost Paradise" and his first edition "Three Jews or how good it is to be an engineer" .. about his communication with the Kazakhs when he participated in the construction of the world's largest ferroalloy plant in the city of "Yermak".
  13. yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 September 2022 05: 25
    +19
    For thirty years of Russian “independence”, at least three generations have grown up who believe that they do not owe anything to anyone.

    Rather, for thirty years the state has been proving to three generations that it does not owe them anything...

    They were brought up like that, and it is unlikely that they will be able to somehow re-educate them, as well as improve Russian society by depriving the runners of citizenship.

    This sounds interesting in the background:
    Article 6
    ...
    3. Citizen of the Russian Federation cannot be deprived of their citizenship or the right to change it.

    This is not the Soviet Union! I am one hundred percent sure that neither the escaped Chubais, nor the oligarch thieves who fled abroad are deprived of Russian citizenship.
    *****
    It is interesting to read about some "reasons that prompted them" ... The black mold that struck the society has not gone anywhere and has not disappeared. Or is it perceived differently today: “You fight for now, and we will think about how to continue to supply the enemies of Russia with energy resources, metals and other goods”?
    For the most part, in spite of everything, people in our country turned out to be more decent and nobler than their cowardly and duplicitous state, which, moreover, turned out to be unable to perform the most necessary functions - the ability to defend oneself mobilize...
    And, let's forgive him (the state) - this is the first time ... belay How do we forgive a surgeon who has unsuccessfully performed an operation ...
    *****
    To begin with, it would be nice to decide on an ideology so that you can distinguish between ideological enemies from simple cowards and cowards.
    1. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 30 September 2022 07: 33
      -9
      A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deprived of his citizenship or the right to change it.
      Right. But traitors, and those who fled from mobilization are precisely traitors, can and should be deprived of citizenship. Because they scored on the Constitution, on their duties - to defend the Motherland, they put it with the device. Why does the country need such "citizens"?
    2. Rustic
      Rustic 1 October 2022 03: 12
      -1
      3. A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deprived of his citizenship or the right to change it.
      Good. Don't revoke citizenship. It is necessary to limit this citizenship. Those. Duties as a citizen remain, but civil rights are abolished. This action is in no way contrary to Article 6. For citizenship itself is retained. Only persons with limited citizenship can enter back into the country upon receipt of a special permit, which still needs to be earned.
  14. Atlas100
    Atlas100 30 September 2022 05: 29
    0
    The most annoying thing is that the best die in the war, but such foam will then return and I will produce, and the result is already clear to everyone ....
  15. gsev
    gsev 30 September 2022 05: 40
    -8
    Confiscation of property and 5-10 years in prison for desertion in case of return. In the DPRK, the presence of weak-hearted and traitors in the family places a heavy burden on both descendants and other relatives and requires them to selfless service to atone for the sins of family members.
    1. Deep Diver
      Deep Diver 30 September 2022 13: 46
      +1
      But we are not in the DPRK. Do you want how is it? So move there!
      1. gsev
        gsev 30 September 2022 15: 35
        -1
        Then we will be like in Russia under Yeltsin. Only without the airbag accumulated by the communists. For example, I used tea obtained in sets before 1990 by about 1998. And Gaidar financed his idiotic reforms by stealing pensioners' savings.
        Quote from Deep Diver
        But we are not in the DPRK. Do you want how is it?

        I personally do not understand why Pugacheva and Khamatova bathe in luxury, and why nurses in the central military hospital are begging for 24 rubles. After all, Putin will treat his close and especially loyal fighters there and not raise their spirits after severe injuries in his service with antics with anti-Russian statements by Pugacheva, Galkin and Khamatova.
        1. Deep Diver
          Deep Diver 30 September 2022 16: 10
          -4
          Well, that's not my question. On the other hand, you will come to me later, because I am a "bourgeois", "capitalist" and "exploiter of the working class", so no, fuck the leveling!
          1. gsev
            gsev 30 September 2022 23: 06
            -1
            Quote from Deep Diver
            On the other hand, you will come to me later, because I am a "bourgeois", "capitalist" and "exploiter of the working class"

            I worked for a capitalist with whom I had diametrically opposed directions. To mutual satisfaction, the third big job was not given to me. As far as I understand, a 70 kW chastotnik purchased on a tip from my competitor did not work with Indian automation. But about 2 years ago, a stove-maker worked in my team, whose wife is an SBU major, and her stepson seems to be a lieutenant in this structure. There was a common project of the dispenser with the hero of the Maidan, who knew the rates of payment and ordinary participants in the events in Kyiv and their leaders. Politics is a means of doing business. As soon as the costs of Russophobia exceed the dividends from this activity, those who want to drag chestnuts out of the fire for Washington will immediately disappear. As I understand it, the Ukrainians hoped to return both Crimea and Donbass in 3-4 years and create their own structures in the Kuban, Orel, Belgorod, oil fields in Tyumen and were ready to put 300 of their fighters for this. They extended the deadlines, merciful Putin did not give them a chance to shed so much of his blood at once. By the way, someone familiar with the financial kitchen of the Maidan predicted to crush the Notis company in Russia and take its place. Ukrainians are quite simple-minded. A person can assure you that all the heroes of the Maidan are unmercenaries, but when he hears in response that on the horizon of his counterpart’s circle there are several people who received $ 000 a week in early January, who had an income in Russia before Maidan $ 1000 a month and after a little more 2000 per month begin to assure you without embarrassment that such money is due only to the authorities, and ordinary infantry received 1000 dollars only in case of a desperate financial situation.
  16. odometer
    odometer 30 September 2022 05: 47
    +7
    Mr. Skomorokhov has a big grudge against Kazakhstan, in almost every publication he kicks the poor thing ... Like that Roman commander and statesman about Carthage ... laughing
    1. Kim
      Kim 30 September 2022 07: 13
      -15
      Kazakhia next in line after Tribaltica
      Well, I hope :)
      1. odometer
        odometer 30 September 2022 09: 21
        +4
        Deal with NATO first ... From Lisbon, write about your future plans smile
        1. Kim
          Kim 30 September 2022 09: 54
          0
          and nada? :)
          Well, if nnada - who am I, against the wind?
          so we cross out Tribaltia, we write briefly - NATA
          it's a pity
          was going to live
  17. vova1910
    vova1910 30 September 2022 05: 52
    -3
    All traitors to the wall, and assemble a firing squad from the VO participants.
    1. Coward
      Coward 30 September 2022 06: 59
      +3
      Good sarcasm. Not only everyone will understand it.
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 30 September 2022 07: 35
      +1
      Quote: vova1910
      All traitors to the wall, and assemble a firing squad from the VO participants.


      We don't know how to do it. We are more on the rack, quartering and impaling. Age-s. Old, so to speak, cheekbones.
  18. odometer
    odometer 30 September 2022 05: 54
    +14
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I hope the Kremlin will finally understand who they can rely on in a difficult situation and who always needs to be supported by the ruble and the law

    Already understood for a long time - on Lyokha from Android wink
  19. fiberboard
    fiberboard 30 September 2022 06: 10
    -1
    Why block the border, let them go. But close the entrance to everyone so that the saboteurs do not stop by. And as soon as all this ends, this brethren will trample back on putting seals on the border: "I left my homeland during the period of hostilities, I am inclined to treason," and that's it. And the lists must be. Accordingly, then do not give loans, infringe on pensions, etc. And so they are also ours, they were just scared. And when in 10-15-20-30 years the son or grandson asks: "Why do you have such an entry in your passport?" will have to answer. And when changing your passport, be sure to put these stamps so that the stigma is for life.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 30 September 2022 06: 57
      +2
      Quote: fiberboard
      Why block the border, let them go

      So that everyone doesn't leave.
    2. tkoh
      tkoh 30 September 2022 21: 34
      +2
      Are you going to put a stamp in the passport for the children of our respected officials too? Has the stake grown for this?
      1. fiberboard
        fiberboard 1 October 2022 15: 39
        0
        Yep, she grew up. They are officials as long as WE let them.
    3. gsev
      gsev 30 September 2022 23: 28
      +1
      Quote: fiberboard
      Why block the border, let them go.

      Many people with dual citizenship are leaving, ethnic Ukrainians or citizens of other countries who have acquired citizenship for the convenience of doing business in Russia. It is more correct to either imprison such people upon arrival for 5 or 10 years, or deprive their families of citizenship with confiscation of property. In the event of a big revolution in Russia, this is the fifth column and the reserve of the new Dirlewanger.
  20. samarin1969
    samarin1969 30 September 2022 06: 16
    +2
    There is no point in condemning and pitying those who escaped. These are the people of their time. They were brought up like that, and it is unlikely that they will be able to somehow re-educate them, as well as improve Russian society by depriving the runners of citizenship.


    Why else??... The novel reduces everything to morality, and the real defense of the country is under threat. Citizenship is still a sacred duty. The fact that many have a deck of "legal statuses" in their pockets is a perversion. In case of war, a person cannot be on both sides of the front. That legislators allowed a farewell to arms regime is almost unparalleled in history. It destroys the state.
    For me, it is high time to introduce responsibility for the "reserve passport" of hostile countries. And now it's time to announce an honest mobilization. For all who did not come to the defense of Russia to introduce criminal liability. For "polycitizens" abroad - deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation with a life ban on entry into the Russian Federation.
    Mobilization is not only trenches, it is also maintaining order, and working in the rear, and helping the wounded. There are challenges for everyone.
    1. Kim
      Kim 30 September 2022 07: 12
      +3
      major fugitives to where a second passport is not needed
      to repeat the path of Madame Broshkina, decent money is needed
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 30 September 2022 09: 32
      +1
      Speaking of tasks. Is the MO obliged to supply the mobilized?
    3. Essex62
      Essex62 1 October 2022 00: 16
      0
      Do we have a declared war? "The enemy is at the gates" and "everything for the front, everything for victory." What kind of work in the rear? What are you speaking about? So far, not the same situation. To call on adult men, tearing them away from families and work, for the sake of activity, it is not clear in what status (contract serviceman?) in the rear? What for? The active army is 7 months without rotation. Fighters are needed for the front, with VUS and skills. In the rear and so everything is fine.
  21. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 30 September 2022 06: 22
    +4
    For me, they never existed. They lived their lives, we lived ours. We worked in cold shops, and we built rubles for ourselves. If in peacetime we were not provided with equality in rights, then why would it be otherwise in wartime. The whole way of life is determined in peacetime. fifth point to do something. I don't blame these people. The old people won't run. They have created refugee status for themselves.
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 30 September 2022 10: 02
      +4
      [quote] [quote = Nikolai Malyugin] We worked in cold shops,they built themselves ruble/quote[/quote]]
      why would they run? and they are all good
      ran, others who do not have "rubles"
      they ran after the state promised - one thing, but actually did - another ...
  22. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 30 September 2022 06: 26
    -4
    At least to deprive of citizenship, maximum to start a criminal case and put on the international wanted list.
  23. 77alex77
    77alex77 30 September 2022 06: 39
    +8
    I don’t blame, I myself went through Afghanistan, we were patriots, and after 1991 it turned out to be stupid people, as the new government told us, and it’s not a fact that the new one might say about the current Chubais as well
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 30 September 2022 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: 77alex77
      I don’t blame, I myself went through Afghanistan, we were patriots, and after 1991 it turned out to be stupid people, as the new government told us, and it’s not a fact that the new one might say about the current Chubais as well

      +100500
  24. Alex 2019
    Alex 2019 30 September 2022 06: 40
    -5
    The second wave of emigration, I hope, will cleanse our society of this corrupt and cowardly "biomass", there is no other way to call these frightened "patriots". At the border crossing points, all runners liable for military service must be stamped in a military ID that he deserted during the announced mobilization and is just a coward. The motherland should know its "heroes" and in the future such people should not receive benefits and preferences from the state, close access to budget money, soft loans, mortgages, maternity capital, etc. the state has enough leverage to make such parasites pariahs. Another thing is that inside the state, liberals who have settled in the government and the upper echelons of power continue to sabotage the Decrees of the President and undermine the security of our state. Briefly summarize - the country urgently needs SMERSH
  25. parusnik
    parusnik 30 September 2022 06: 47
    +13
    at least three generations have grown up who believe that they owe nothing to anyone.
    For 30 years it has been hammered into the heads of the state that it owes nothing to citizens. That a contract army is better than universal conscription. Pay your taxes and sleep peacefully.
    But in the minds of many today it is somewhat different, inspired by that same Western democracy
    and who sowed Western values? Really arrived uncles from the West? Did you come to Russia and sow for 30 years?
    1. Kim
      Kim 30 September 2022 07: 11
      +3
      exactly
      and a young generation of journalists who took care of various kinds, but necessarily foreign, funds
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 30 September 2022 07: 31
        +8
        Those. Since 1991, uncles have arrived, organized funds and began to decompose, with the full connivance of the authorities? "You came, you found me, but I got confused" (c) And so 30 years of complete confusion. And the evil Western uncles slipped anti-people bills to the bewildered authorities, reformatted consciousness, suggested that we can’t produce anything, that we’ll buy everything, that there are only partners around, imported guest workers, propagandized their values ​​through their films and series
        1. Kim
          Kim 30 September 2022 07: 58
          -1
          they were - power ...
          didn't think like that?
  26. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 30 September 2022 06: 56
    +1
    A friend from Almaty wrote that he had such an impression, he was on vacation in Russia, a lot, I don’t even know what to call them, I want to be obscene, there are also enough Ukrainians.
  27. Roman Bubnov
    Roman Bubnov 30 September 2022 06: 58
    -1
    Yes, it is now like homeless people - people without a fixed place of residence.
    Although calling them people is also not true, why dirty honest people.
    Just beings from another planet...
  28. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 30 September 2022 07: 07
    -4
    Social rating must be introduced, it will decide everything.
  29. Kim
    Kim 30 September 2022 07: 10
    -5
    I also think - how / what will be the division? on what parameters?
    --------------------
    By the way, a good answer to those who snort at "Russia is either an empire or not Russia"
    it's time to revive
  30. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 30 September 2022 07: 10
    -3
    Kazakh Natsiks took up the "frightened patriots"...
    No pity for them.
    But a little later, Russia will take on the Kazakh Natsiks. wink

    [media=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j_a4_NvUuSo]
    1. Luminman
      Luminman 30 September 2022 07: 45
      +2
      It's disgusting to look at these 3,14 gifts
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 30 September 2022 10: 18
        +3
        Quote: Luminman
        It's disgusting to look at these 3,14 gifts

        And who is the blogger who is interviewing? By the way, they correctly said Crimea to the Crimeans and they must decide with whom they want to be.
      2. Odu1
        Odu1 1 October 2022 10: 21
        0
        And who is this Kazakh? Who would have grazed horses in the steppe without Russia. PR, oh .. I'm a fat face.
        1. Luminman
          Luminman 1 October 2022 11: 05
          0
          And who is this Kazakh?

          Don't care about the Kazakh! Even a Kazakh with a fat muzzle laughs at these 3,14 gifts ...
  31. Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 September 2022 07: 14
    +13
    Do you remember who declared, "It's time to get away from paternalism"? For all the years of the rule of this man, capitalist and liberal values ​​​​were instilled in the country. Consumers were made of people, as the authorities tirelessly declared.
    Patriotism in the country was only one day on May 9th. The rest of the days it was told what kind of villains our ancestors were. And here is the result
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 30 September 2022 07: 50
      +7
      Baba Yaga caught a goldfish and asked to fulfill three wishes. Eternal youth, a palace and that her cat would become a handsome guy. She comes, instead of a hut, a palace, looked in the mirror - beautiful, a handsome guy comes out to meet and says: Well, what a mistress, now you regret that when you were a cat, you castrated me.
  32. EvilCommunist
    EvilCommunist 30 September 2022 07: 15
    +2
    I'm more concerned about the question of not where the rats fled, but did they really collect 300 thousand? There is a feeling that we are being prepared for a grandiose nix, or am I still on treason?
    You know my method Kuev into dust, I talked with one warrior from Znamenka (who is not aware of the so-called white house on Znamenka Street), he shouted at me to erase Kuev into dust, kaaak do you understand that this is 10 million people?
    I tell him, Nazi accomplices you wanted to say, these are not people!
    In short, I will say this, if we have all such compassionate warriors in the General Staff, we will fight with the Ukrainians for a long time, like the Palestinians with the Jews, and the Donbass will be our own Gaza Strip.
    If you don’t want Kuev, let’s start with something mass, modern, for example, the Yarovsky training ground and its environs
  33. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 30 September 2022 07: 16
    +8
    I'll tell you a little secret. Kazakhstan, Georgia - a border crossing point, not a final destination.
    1. 1939_1940
      1939_1940 30 September 2022 08: 40
      -1
      So here, for the majority, foam splatters, but the brain does not turn on .. Even the States and the Germans have already said that they will accept everyone .. And they are discussing rent in Kazakhstan ..
      1. Dedok
        Dedok 30 September 2022 09: 56
        +1
        Quote: 1939_1940
        Already even the States with the Germans said that they would accept everyone ..

        if they write - that they are political refugees ...
  34. mongolian9999
    mongolian9999 30 September 2022 07: 19
    +5
    I came to the military registration and enlistment office on a mobile order. WBD, 47 years old. We looked, updated the data, said go home, there will be a general call.
    1. EvilCommunist
      EvilCommunist 30 September 2022 08: 38
      -5
      I didn’t serve the same term, a military man bought a category B, plus I have a reservation, I have been working at a military enterprise all my life, at a factory there for a military man I earned myself, why should I join the army if I buy myself a military ID for 3 months of work , everyone seems to be embarrassed to say this, I don’t have them almost openly sold them, why did I have to go to the army if I just stupidly work hard for 16 hours from the age of 12, and my peers went to the army who ate khanka and nothing did not do, H worked or studied, what else to do with them.? So now, they take away those who sit at home to work, don’t go, they sit on the necks of women, mothers, even grandmothers, and there are such, in short, it’s a nice thing to go to the front, they’ll earn money for their parents, you’re used to eating khanka all day long, I’m for my peers say 30-40 years
  35. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 30 September 2022 07: 27
    +7
    I don't want to judge anyone. Received the "booking" a week ago. Who wants to run, let them run. Veterans of hostilities and who goes (and who is there) to the war, certainly have the right to criticize. I am silent.
    1. EvilCommunist
      EvilCommunist 30 September 2022 08: 45
      +1
      There is also a reservation, he said to his own, there will be a universal one, I'll go!
      1. TerraSandera
        TerraSandera 2 October 2022 03: 00
        -2
        There will be more, not universal, but apparently your next post will be something in the style of "that's up to St. Petersburg / Moscow / Yaroslavl ...., ...., they will reach" here there will be a nuclear one, then I'll go "
  36. Luminman
    Luminman 30 September 2022 07: 41
    -8
    It's all useless scale, biomass...
  37. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 30 September 2022 07: 46
    -3
    That's right, Roman is right. That's just tormented by doubts, but whether our leadership, softly, with a liberal note, will "re-educate" scoundrels and cowards. Hard to believe.
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 30 September 2022 11: 11
      +1
      Quote: ODERVIT
      with liberal mark leadership

      where are their children now?
      why during the Second World War all the leaders and military commanders had children at the front!
      so where are their children now?
      and from statistics it can be understood that there are now about 1,5 million people in power, and in the days of the USSR there were about 0,5 million people
      and ask yourself this question
      1. your1970
        your1970 30 September 2022 22: 07
        -1
        Quote: Dedok
        and from statistics it can be understood that there are now about 1,5 million people in power, and in the days of the USSR there were about 0,5 million people

        The only government agency that was not in the USSR was the tax authority.
        About the fact that in each district there was a district committee and a district executive committee, and so on to Moscow ...
        It’s boring to remind about the devices of the Komsomol, the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions ...
        About the liberated party organizer in each part
        About the "first department" in every factory, even if there were no secrets in principle.
        And so on ...
        So there were at least 3-4 million people in power in the USSR.
        + the apparatuses of the republics, their ministries and departments are coming ...
  38. Foundling
    Foundling 30 September 2022 07: 47
    +6
    To be honest, there is no unequivocal attitude towards those who left. But the article would be authoritative if the author himself wrote it while sitting in a trench. So far, those who have left have been strongly criticized mainly by those who are not threatened by mobilization for one reason or another. And then they themselves are better than those who left incomprehensibly.
  39. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 30 September 2022 07: 55
    -1
    These are not Russians, let them go, their civil "homosexuality" is not even a disease, but the essence. I am sure that some of them will return, but they should not be forgotten. The loss of rights must be and be indefinite.
    It is wrong to say that those who are now on the couch, and not in the trenches, condemn them. All those who remained on the couch today have a very likely opportunity to be called up instead of the "new Kazakhs" and "new Georgians" who quietly fled.
    1. Foundling
      Foundling 30 September 2022 08: 06
      -2
      So "debt to the motherland" is only included in the agenda? A volunteer, if shamed, is one thing, but an unserved category B or armored from a sofa is another
      1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 30 September 2022 08: 31
        -4
        1. The duty to the Motherland turns on in the head, and the agenda is a notification that she needs you today and now.
        2. The runners run not because they were called, but so that they would not be given a summons ... so they do not care about everything except themselves. Cowards and slugs!
  40. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 30 September 2022 08: 01
    +6
    Of course, the "runners" must be treated with contempt, and this should be at the level of the State. But there is still an important question - if in Ukraine the oligarchs support their army, the Nazis, then we don’t hear that our oligarchs would help the army, volunteers .... but Abramovich gives phones, feeds their Nazis. The state should also do something about it. It’s bad that the State did not react in any way to Abramovich’s trick, it hits hard on patriotism, especially among young people.
  41. Foundling
    Foundling 30 September 2022 08: 03
    +10
    The best motivation is personal example. Stalin knew how. And when we see the daughters of VVP with sanitary bags on the front line, and Peskov's son in the red estuary, then we can talk about everyone's duty
  42. Boris55
    Boris55 30 September 2022 08: 11
    +3
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Although you can not regret it. They are still third-class people now, and not by chance, but by choice.

    Dividing people into classes is not correct, but those who do not give a damn about the Motherland, the Motherland should not care about them either (their names at the border crossing points are fixed). They should no longer study at state universities, hold senior positions in state structures and be elected to government bodies, take part in elections.

    For those who go to defend their homeland, it is necessary to provide for various kinds of preferences in employment and appointment to positions.

    Those who died defending the Motherland and who received the star of the hero should be canceled loans, mortgages, etc. by 100%. Seriously wounded (crippled) - by 75%.
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 30 September 2022 09: 54
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      Seriously wounded (crippled) - by 75%.

      But how can a person who has lost his legs repay a loan?
      with a disability? she's so funny...
      how do you easily divide by 100% and 75%
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 30 September 2022 10: 00
        -5
        Quote: Dedok
        with a disability?

        Following the example of the Russian Guard: the crippled are not fired. Find them a place in the ranks.
        In the RF Ministry of Defense, in my opinion, the same thing.
        I'm not against everyone to forgive everything, but still egalitarianism is not acceptable.
        War invalids should receive increased benefits. Etc..

        Much more can be done, the main thing is that it would be fair.

        ps
        WWII. Maresyev.
        1. Dedok
          Dedok 30 September 2022 11: 06
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Following the example russian guards

          is this the one whose military personnel - terminated contracts - at the very beginning of the NWO?
  43. alekc75
    alekc75 30 September 2022 08: 12
    -1
    when returning back, show them an invoice and do not let them in until they pay
  44. Foundling
    Foundling 30 September 2022 08: 13
    +2
    Here, after all, how it works: those who were in the queues at the Georgian border were not averse to having contract soldiers die for them, and even, judging by the reports, they even painted the correct letters on cars. And as they were directly affected, patriotism was gone. The same is now. For example, angry articles are written by someone who does not fall under partial mobilization, but will announce a general one, only they saw him. Volunteers and those who are ALREADY there are another matter. Here is their word weighty, authoritative without reservations.
  45. Plowman
    Plowman 30 September 2022 08: 22
    +1
    We didn't label this one. The Ministry of Defense does not publish lists of deserters. And these will return and enjoy all the delights of life, and many heroes will not return.
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 30 September 2022 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: Plowman
      We didn't label this one. The Ministry of Defense does not publish lists of deserters. And these will return and enjoy all the delights of life, and many heroes will not return.

      at the very beginning of the SVO, entire units "teared contracts" and we do not see that they were punished for this - and they are our "professional" defense
  46. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 September 2022 08: 34
    0
    Thanks Roman for the article, you always have sore, topical articles.
  47. the same doctor
    the same doctor 30 September 2022 08: 35
    +2
    The author contradicts himself. One side; let them go. With another; let them pay.
    .
    We need working hands, and the departure of the deviationists is damaging the country. The impotent government cannot cope with these problems. Doesn't want to deal. Their own people, their children, are running away... That's how everyone will run away, then they will tighten the screws for hard workers and Russians.
    Therefore, I cannot approve of the flight and connivance of the authorities in any way. Each one who escaped is a threat to the call and death of MY child already. I cannot forgive such deviationists!
  48. Kapany3
    Kapany3 30 September 2022 08: 51
    -4
    Quote: skeptic
    Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Can't you see, cloud

    All the provocativeness of the topic raised is in turning over the meanings of the events taking place. For the whole world, and in Russia itself, it is Russia "AGGRESSOR". It was possible to keep a sufficient number of rapid reaction forces to support the LDNR in case of aggression. The air defense of the Russian Federation could, without crossing the border, make the sky over the LDNR flightless. But what did the whole world see? I do not know to what level of power the foreign agents of the West are sitting, but the invasion was done, in compromising Russia, by 150%. All subsequent events only confirm this. Including the "regrouping" in the Kharkiv region.
    The main difference of the Russian people is a deeply integrated sense of justice. In today's events, it is broken. No one talks about "disregard for the troubles of Donbass", but since the invasion was made, he speaks of a superbly done operation to bring down Russia's peaceful reputation. And this is the main reason for leaving, very many. It is the unwillingness to participate in the global scam of the destruction of Russia, by the thieves' pahanat. There would be no such outflow of the people of Russia if the events began with the invasion of the NATO-led Ukrobandoty in the LDNR. And it would be perceived as a holy war. And there would be no flows abroad, but there would be queues at the military registration and enlistment offices.
    ps You are aware that if Stalin had started a preventive war against Germany, there was an agreement in the West that the United States, England, etc. Would you have sided with Hitler? This happened to Saddam Hussein, this is happening to Russia now.

    I suppose you yourself also consider Russia an aggressor, you can see from the test. So it's not up to you to complain.
  49. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 30 September 2022 09: 07
    -4
    A rare case when I agree with the author.
  50. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 30 September 2022 09: 08
    -2
    They are still third class people now


    And this third grade will calmly return to Russia and will live again - do not grieve!
    I immediately had a question, but I just don’t know who to address it to.
    And what, our authorities did not provide for such an option as the desertion of these abroad? Why didn't they close the borders before the announcement of mobilization?
    Something is not right here!
    1. tkoh
      tkoh 30 September 2022 21: 48
      +1
      And so military registration and enlistment offices and administration buildings are burning all over the country. You want to leave another million here with someone, and so the roof goes from what is happening and they run