Evgeny Prigozhin appeared in public with three Golden Stars of the Hero

Yevgeny Prigozhin, the owner of the Concord company and, as stated, the private military company (PMC) Wagner, is not a three-time hero of Russia, as some Ukrainian and Russian resources claim. Prigozhin has one "star of the Hero" of Russia, the other two are awards from the people's republics of Donbass.

After posting on the Web a video with the appearance of Prigozhin at the funeral of the hero of Russia, a fighter of the PMC "Wagner" Alexei Nagin, some Ukrainian resources began to claim that Prigozhin is three times the Hero of Russia, since three "Golden Stars" of the Hero were seen on his chest, allegedly received " for Ukraine." However, this is not the case, although Yevgeny Prigozhin was indeed awarded the Golden Star of the Hero of Russia, but only once.

Information about awarding Prigozhin with the Golden Star appeared at the end of June this year and was not widely publicized. According to some Russian military experts, the head of the PMC was awarded according to the sum of all merits for eight years and completed tasks in Syria, Libya, the Central African Republic, Mali and Ukraine. The other two "Gold Stars" are awards from the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. For what they were awarded, probably it is not necessary to tell.

Speaking about partial mobilization, Prigozhin said that there was no need to draft his son into the army, he already serves in the ranks of the Wagner PMC. According to him, his son served in the Russian army, after which he returned to civilian life and joined the ranks of a private military company, where he still fights. He is currently participating in a special military operation, but Prigozhin did not disclose details.

Yes, he participates in the SVO, but I do not see the need to disclose the details of what tasks he performs. Come to Donbass, ask him yourself

- he said.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

One word - deserved. With big stars on shoulder straps, you need to take an example from Prigozhin

[Fisherman]

and big wallets also need to take an example from him! Definitely deserved! And many times! In fact, for Ukraine, he needs to be given another Star of the Hero - his guys beat banderlogs harshly and professionally, he has the most stable successes in Ukraine, they only go forward and recently successful news is only about Wagner, the rest are just modest in the war. Even the dill in an interview agree that the Wagner military experts maneuver 3 times faster with an accurate hit on the target than the dill themselves, the dill simply do not have time to see and answer how they are already flying from the Wagner fighters. Prigozhin became a legendary man, an example for the Army and business in Russia, he invested all of himself in expanding Russia's influence in the world. BEAUTIFUL!

[NAF-NAF]

For success in command and control, commanders should be given awards, not a gold star. Otherwise, the meaning of the award is lost, if simply "in aggregate" ...

[nonsense]

Quote: NAF-NAF

For success in command and control, commanders should be given awards, not a gold star. Otherwise, the meaning of the award is lost, if simply "in aggregate" ...

The meaning of awards was lost in our country even under the tsars ... Neither the communists nor ... the current figures have changed anything here ...

[Semenov]

He does not manage the troops, he found competent managers. And pays them accordingly (or maybe not).

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Semenov

He does not manage the troops, he found competent managers.

Back in the days of my Soviet youth, I heard a phrase somewhere that I remembered well

A good leader is not the one who has seven spans in his forehead, but the one who has seven deputies, each with one span.

Until now, as a leader, I adhere to the meaning of this phrase. There are deputies, each professional in his own direction, he does not climb into adjacent areas.
I won’t say about my spans - let others judge what kind of director I am, but my job is not to get into every minor problem, but to correctly place the leaders of the second or third level. And things are going. It seems to me - not bad.

[Fisherman]

he did not manage, but organized an entire army, for his earnings (not the essence of how, the main thing is for the benefit of the Motherland, not spent on offshores and yachts, but on the VICTORY OF THE HOMELAND!). This is already a feat in fact, which is already thundering all over the world, many colonial countries have sat on their asses from the successes of Wagner and, with their intelligence and special forces, cannot stop Wagner. Of course, Wagner once received a lesson in Syria, but that was the US army with turntables and combat aircraft against guys with machine guns and anti-tank systems ... now Wagner has his own aircraft and MANPADS, tanks and artillery - so not every US group will now pull against Wagner!

[sub307]

"for his earned" Well, yes - a real "Stakhanovite", such as the saved funds "Wagner" "built and handed over to the Motherland. Hooray, comrades! Long live the indestructible union of power and crime!

[rammjager]

Quote: sub307

"for his earned" Well, yes - a real "Stakhanovite", such as the saved funds "Wagner" "built and handed over to the Motherland. Hooray, comrades! Long live the indestructible union of power and crime!

And it’s not a shame to appear in public with three stars. Yes, even on a jacket., dick.

[ramzay21]

It is clear that he is not spending his money now on Wagner, but those that are allocated to him from the budget. It is not clear otherwise. What happens if Prigozhin wants to enter the Kremlin, for example? After all, in fact, he has a separate army.

[hagen]

Quote: ramzay21

What happens if Prigozhin wants to enter the Kremlin

He's not that stupid....

[ilya.muromczev2013]

You can't believe it, and you never will - for the simple reason that you judge by yourself...

[Horus]

In Syria, Wagner was set up not by the United States, but by someone else and this other mediocre layman and made this meanness out of hatred.

[hagen]

Quote: Fisherman

the main thing is for the benefit of the Motherland, not for offshores and yachts spent, but for the VICTORY OF THE HOMELAND!

In fact, for such statements you need to know the "accounting" of the "client" . The military business is very profitable. Prince, for example, even swung at Motor Sich, and his BW (no matter how he is called today) has his own air squadron. By the way, information slipped that he offered his services to Wagner on a subcontract :))), which indicates the proportionality of these two organizations. So, what he goes fishing on is just a matter of taste and imagination ... And the movement of his finances, I think, not every tax office will reveal. The awardees, I am sure, know who and for what and with what to award, therefore I will not discuss this part of the article.

[Fisherman]

everyone with accounting and taxes can open problems. Here we are talking about what he did for the Motherland, and what Deripaska, etc.

[hagen]

Quote: Fisherman

Here we are talking about what he did for the Motherland, and what Deripaska, etc.

There are no details of any of the acts mentioned here. By the way, Deripaska was also awarded. Although not a Hero, but a holder of the Order of Alexander Nevsky. I would not rush to oppose one to the other. They are both businessmen, both are collectors of "surplus value". And which of them has a more bloody business still needs to be sorted out.

[Simple]

Quote: Fisherman

and big wallets also need to take an example from him!

Quote: dmi.pris

With big stars on shoulder straps, you need to take an example from Prigozhin

Everyone serves according to their ability.
The main thing is to work to achieve the goal
as one organism

[PrAkyror]

To the General Staff!!! Command should be the one who knows how! Look it's over soon!

[Oleg812spb]

I do not know how well he understands the art of war, but he is an excellent organizer.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

In principle, there is nothing surprising in their combat skills, their combat path, unlike the army, is much longer, they have been fighting continuously for the last ten years, and the army for half a year! The Wagners are undoubtedly great, but the units of our army are also gaining experience and are fighting no less bravely and skillfully!

[azkolt]

Statesman, that's what they used to call such people!

[Quote Lavrov]

How??? Well, that's just - what??
Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from? Where does PMCs get modern weapons from? And then ask yourself - why ALL THIS is not in the regular army and the National Guard and how it turned out to be with PMCs. Just don’t say what kind of personal funds ..... more precisely - it’s clear what kind of personal. But where do they get personal?
It is controlled today. And if tomorrow it will change, then what?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Where does PMCs get modern weapons from? And then ask yourself - why ALL THIS is not in the regular army and the National Guard and how it turned out to be with PMCs.

And that they are better armed than the army?

[Quote Lavrov]

Definitely. If we talk about uniforms and small arms. Moreover, about financial contentment.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

If we talk about uniforms and small arms

But the main losses fall on heavy weapons and armor, and with them everything is completely different.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Definitely. If we talk about uniforms and small arms. Moreover, about financial contentment.

This is a private organization, which means there are fewer suckers in it and the money is spent on business, and not on the maintenance of an unnecessary bloated staff.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Dart2027

And that they are better armed than the army?

Better than NM LDNR at least.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hyperion

Better NM LDNR

Maybe, but I'm talking about the RF Armed Forces.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Dart2027

Maybe, but I'm talking about the RF Armed Forces.

NM LDNR without five minutes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And I wrote "at least". Perhaps more equipped and some individual parts of the RF Armed Forces.
And I also saw the opinion of Wagnerovets that "in Russia there are no large of private military companies", if you understand what I mean ... Well, where has it been seen that a private trader could recruit fighters for himself in places not so remote, when this procedure is not spelled out in the Criminal Code?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hyperion

NM LDNR without five minutes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

But not yet. They were helped from the very beginning, but still they are supplied worse.

Quote: Hyperion

that "there are no large private military companies in Russia"

They don't exist anywhere.

Quote: Dart2027

All PMCs belong to different countries.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Dart2027

They don't exist anywhere.

That is why, given the assault orientation and a certain "elitism" of Wagner, there is reason to believe that their equipment may be better in some places than in some parts of the RF Armed Forces.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Hyperion

in some places better than in some parts of the RF Armed Forces.

Well, units of the RF Armed Forces also differ in terms of equipment, but as for the elite troops, I doubt it.

[Hypertension]

I did not mean the elite units of the RF Armed Forces.

[Fisherman]

somewhere at the level ... equipment and other bells and whistles are better - they are supplied more quickly and the military "fashion" is monitored, sniper and other equipment and weapons do not wait for hosting and state acceptance - immediately into battle along with new battle tactics ... only personnel work and motivation in Wagner are much better, hence the success.

[dmi.pris1]

Where? Yes, for money. Why don’t other defenders of the Fatherland have them (equipment, weapons)? It’s not Prigozhin who should answer this, but those who are responsible for the military-industrial complex and the army

[Quote Lavrov]

You still don’t understand the meaning of the question ... ok ... I’ll simplify - why does this money go not to the army, but to PMCs?

[dmi.pris1]

And why is a private businessman obliged to invest in the army, which a priori should be provided by the state? This is his money and he has the right to invest where he sees fit

[Quote Lavrov]

Do you even know how to read? Or do you really think that with the state monopoly on power units, some businessman decided and created a PMC? Seriously? And that he finances it from his own funds without compensating these costs at the expense, conditionally, of the budget? Do you really think so?
And if these are budget funds initially, or the very money of Rosneftegaz, then why did they end up in PMCs, and not in the regular army?
Once again, think about what can happen to a private army if the interests of its owner diverge from the interests of the state ...
Not in vain, the law on PMCs was rewritten many times, but never reached the consideration in the State Duma

[dmi.pris1]

But in my opinion, you don’t know how to read .. I clearly wrote, it’s his own business.

[Flooding]

Quote: dmi.pris

Documentary can confirm that the money-budget?

The work of any PMC is a priori paid for by public funds.
Because they are an instrument in the hands of states.
There is nothing to argue about here.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Flood

Quote: dmi.pris

Documentary can confirm that the money-budget?

The work of any PMC is a priori paid for by public funds.
Because they are an instrument in the hands of states.
There is nothing to argue about here.

Most PMCs in the world laugh when they receive money from corporations.

[Flooding]

Quote: BlackMokona

Most PMCs in the world laugh when they receive money from corporations.

Option one:
the corporation acts as an intermediary between the state and PMCs.

Option two:
PMCs are indeed attracted by private capital to protect its interests in unsafe regions.

I strongly doubt that this is the majority of cases, as you write.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Flood

Quote: BlackMokona

Most PMCs in the world laugh when they receive money from corporations.

Option one:
the corporation acts as an intermediary between the state and PMCs.

Option two:
PMCs are indeed attracted by private capital to protect its interests in unsafe regions.

I strongly doubt that this is the majority of cases, as you write.

There are no large private corporations in Russia, so we have PMC Wagner only from the state and can receive money. While in the West there is a huge bunch of very rich corporations with interests in many dangerous regions, and they need to protect their property. Paying for lobbying to send troops to some other third world country is a very difficult, difficult and expensive process, and very unreliable with a bunch of political risks. While PMCs are always ready to send anywhere, as much as they want, and do exactly what the corporation needs.

[Fisherman]

the money is really budgetary, only the budgets of African countries feed our PMCs, the liberation and protection of deposits is a non-poor occupation, a share in some diamond mines and oil and gas fields perfectly finances PMCs. Only Prigozhin, unlike Lukoil, does not take money to Dubai, but invests in the military successes of the MOTHERLAND!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

then why did they end up in PMCs, and not in the regular army?

Because all over the world they are used when the direct use of the army is undesirable.

Quote: Quote Lavrov

what can happen to a private army if the interests of its owner diverge from the interests of the state

The question is who is the owner. All PMCs belong to different countries.

[guest]

There is still such a country, I hope it doesn’t have long left, like Ukraine, and every oligarch has his own PMC there. As the example of Ukraine has shown, such PMCs are very effective.

[Vitaly161]

and where does the infa come from that musicians are supplied and financed from the RF Ministry of Defense? do you judge by the technique they use? so what's the big deal? or did Bradley need to buy Abrams too? along with F16, 15, and 18? did they go to Mali, the Central African Republic for a gift? and the Khrantzuzy were sitting there for a gift?

[runway-1]

You are right, and your opponent "transfers arrows", it seems to me ...

[runway-1]

ps By the way, there are analogies with the "troll factory" here!

[Qas]

We have banned (officially) private military formations

[runway-1]

Yes, they are not allowed, and therefore the PMC operates ostensibly under foreign registration. But such legal "combinations" seem to confuse few people, especially local "guardians" ...

[North Caucasus]

Is PMC a competitor to the army? Wagner on the outskirts is fighting according to his plans? Separately from the Russian army? They say here that the mobilized sign contracts with the LLC, and not with the Moscow Region. Wagner is mobilizing? But if Wagner invests in his company and mobilizes, then why do the mobilized buy clothes and collect first aid kits?

[Galleon]

Your vehemence is understandable, but does not remove the obligation to reason sensibly.
Public procurement legislation will not allow you to buy the best, but obliges you to work with the one who offers the lowest price. If you want to get around this price barrier, your terms of reference should be cunningly crafted so that only the best sample for you matches it, but at the same time, all distinctive characteristics must be justified and proven by you convincingly enough to withstand a trial with those left overboard tender participants. How much is enough for you? How many like-minded people will you recruit to create a good principled and professional system? How happy will your bosses be with your work - after all, you came to destroy their well-established life and, possibly, income?
I repeat once again why the army does not have the best equipment, first-aid kits, shoes, etc. - this is how the procurement law is drawn up.

[Lako]

Are you really naive, or are you pretending to be? Everywhere, all over the world, PMCs are better equipped and armed than regular units. This is connected both with the specifics of the tasks performed and with the attraction of money from private business. And simply because they are numerically much smaller. Of course, the state also pays them budget money, since there are a number of tasks that need to be completed with the help of forces and organizations not directly related to this state

[North Caucasus]

Public procurement legislation will not allow you to buy the best, but obliges you to work with the one who offers the lowest price.

But attracting PMCs is the same purchase but at horse prices! Where is the savings here? Why was there no PMC in the USSR if it is such an effective tool? Why do enterprises not have private production organizations (PPOs)? Here the turner of the organization is so-so, but the turner of the CPO is a pro! Why is a private security company better than private security? What about the idea of ​​a private country president (PPP)? Or a private State Duma (ChGD)? Let's expand the ideas of private organizations! I repeat Chubais? Is it then that we get rake races?

[bandabas]

Definitely. But these large rear-headquarters-defective-manager rats will not answer. From the word never. Sweep the little things and it's all over. Shooters will always be found.

[Old_Major]

And do not count other people's money, especially those that went to a good deed. How much did he invest? How much did I invest, you ask? And I equip myself, from the service in the 90s and early 2000s, there was a habit.

[dmi.pris1]

One of the few major businessmen in Russia who invested in the defense of the Fatherland. Modern Kuzma Minin

[Quote Lavrov]

Don't talk nonsense!!! What other people's money??? Do you really think that he is just investing his personal savings received by honest labor?

[shikin]

Do you think that PMCs should work for "thank you", fulfilling orders from the governments of different countries, including their own country? in fact, PMCs are organized, among other things, to make money. And in turn - the task of the state. authorities to ensure that this activity does not go beyond certain limits.

[Down]

Quote from shikin

Do you think that PMCs should work for "thank you", fulfilling orders from the governments of different countries, including their own country? in fact, PMCs are organized, among other things, to make money.

Tell me, why does the army exist? And what kind of interests does the PMC perform over the hill for our government? You read how the loans-for-shares auctions took place, maybe then you will understand. there are also trusted persons, such as "buying" becoming businessmen ...))

[shikin]

The army has its own tasks, the National Guard has its own, the Ministry of Emergency Situations has its own, and the PMCs have their own too. And for you, does it mean that all this is superfluous?
Over the hill, both our government and our corporations have many interests, and do you think that, for example, to protect Lukoil's oil production facilities in Iraq, the army should be involved? There are many such tasks, and security, and training of local security officials and much more. In the USSR, probably, services like the SVR were engaged in this, and perhaps PMCs are now part of such a service.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from?

Isn't it all the same? He didn’t skip them, he didn’t drink them on yachts, he didn’t squander them. That's who really effectively mastered the money invested in it. So in this scenario, there is no difference where he gets the funds from.

[Quote Lavrov]

No, it doesn't matter at all!!! For example, if it is money from the budget, then even more questions arise.

[Chem1st]

Yes ezhkin cat!!! Are you so naive that you do not understand the principle and meaning of the existence of PMCs all over the world?! The main, if not the only contractor of the PMC is the STATE! And it doesn't matter if it's Wagner or, for example, the American The Academy. They take contracts from the state for certain services in the military field - this can be both military operations, and, for example, security and escort. Yes, read, finally, about the American and British PMCs in Iraq, about the same Black Waters. A lot has been written about them. Hence the money - contracts are concluded on completely legal terms, with this money the PMC equips its fighters and pays them a salary.

[North Caucasus]

Sorry! And how is a private structure more effective than a state one? In Russia, private traders have not yet surpassed the state in efficiency. They did not create advanced electronics, auto construction, shipbuilding, aircraft construction, road construction, and so on. Where are these geniuses of highly efficient private ownership? Chubais spent his whole life drowning for private business and worked in government structures all his life.

[Chem1st]

This is not even naivety, this is .... 1. PMCs are not included in the subordination structure of the Ministry of Defense - which means they can do what and where the "state" army for one reason or another cannot. 2. Equipment and weapons are purchased under direct contracts, and not, as in the Ministry of Defense, through tenders with the only minimum price criterion. This means that the equipment and weapons of the PMC fighters are better than the standard army ones. 3. PMCs are not constrained in tactics by army regulations, they can more effectively maneuver resources without being distracted by any coordination with the command. 5. For PMCs, there is one condition for earning money - the full fulfillment of the contract, the methods are not prescribed in the contract, therefore, they fight as it should to fulfill the terms of the contract and very rarely their commanders make stupid decisions. 6. You can throw poop at me, but an important point: they are not included in the DOD casualty reports, which makes the DOD look better. There are other reasons for the high efficiency of PMCs, if you look, you will find it yourself. Although, of course, PMCs will never replace a normal regular army.

[Chem1st]

As for the private trader in general .... Where financing is "long-term", where the return must be expected for several years (or in general profit is purely hypothetical, such as, for example, the space industry) - there is nothing for the private trader to do, his element is industries with fast capital turnover: food, textile, services. The industries you mentioned are not one of them.

[Andrey NM]

I have a question. Let's digress from the situation. If a state (the United States or another) hires PMCs to overthrow power or perform any tasks in another state and does not use its army, then this state seems to have nothing to do with it? And where are such PMCs registered? The state that registers such PMCs also has nothing to do with it? Then hired killers and customers are different? It's just a matter of principle. How is it fixed in the legal field?

[Chem1st]

Absolutely correct question! Unfortunately, we have no way, the law on PMCs has not been adopted in our country, so I can’t say anything on what legal grounds Wagner functions. But in the West, this is very well developed in the legal field, there are laws, and the legal framework has been developed.

[guest]

And what's the question? Why was this money "with profit" not invested in any Western bank?

[bulvas]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

How??? Well, that's just - what??
Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from? Where does PMCs get modern weapons from? And then ask yourself - why ALL THIS is not in the regular army and the National Guard and how it turned out to be with PMCs. Just don’t say what kind of personal funds ..... more precisely - it’s clear what kind of personal. But where do they get personal?

So do not groan, but do something yourself, maybe you will understand where and where.
And take good care of your money.

You can still participate in training camps for fighters, as honest people participate.
Lobaev rifles, for example, are very popular with fighters.

[Quote Lavrov]

Poke your friends that the horse is eating up in the ravine. I don’t remember that they would drink with you at brotherhood. Do you really think that this is his money, and not the money that came from the budget, or did not reach it?
And if this is so, then I ask the simplest question - why and how does the money go to PMCs, and not to the army?

[MBRSS]

Quote: bulvas

And keep an eye on your money...

Budget money-from our taxes by 80%. Therefore, we can say that we are looking after our own.

Lobaev rifles, for example, are very popular with fighters.

I willingly believe. It is only incomprehensible why Lobaev's gate was opened, and for others - a turn from the gate.

[sagitovich]

Quote, organize your own, if envy gnaws at you. First, a small private security company, then more, further communications, and even more ... So in 15-20 years, you will also become a hero. Everything is in your power. And Prigozheg did a good job, he managed not to envy, but one should be proud that there are such heroes in the country.

[North Caucasus]

So is Prigozhin's PMC a charity or a way to make money?

[MBRSS]

Quote: North Caucasus

Is PMC Prigozhin a charity or a way to make money?

The question is rhetorical. MONOPOLY business.

[Leshak]

How??? Well, that's just - what??

At least the fact that he doesn’t ride, with the money that goes into personal, hot places, and doesn’t buy yachts. Money is invested in cases that glorify Russian weapons and force respect for Russia. The money allocated to support PMCs does not disappear in the pockets of wide trousers, but goes precisely to the cause. And the "musicians" perform the most difficult tasks.

[Crane]

would be the fact that he doesn’t ride, with the money that goes into personal, hot places and doesn’t buy yachts.
.........
Where is this information from? Maybe he’s sitting in Cannes taverns? Well, you don’t know why you write? Well, probably for the plus signs ....
Here about the rich, they write, they say, solid thieves ...

[nordscout]

Are you jealous? Or from the bonal "pofigism" and philistine mood, the brain is already beyond your control? Today is today, and tomorrow it will be tomorrow, if we live ... Today, the "Wagnerites" are one of the most effective military formations in the Ukrainian theater of operations, with the MOST EFFICIENT control, weapons, equipment and, it seems, the most motivated for the final result . A unit that does not know what a "sudden planned regrouping" is, or military operations "in white gloves" ... A unit that is "sharpened" to move, only forward and forward ... Under the circumstances (of today and the state of our Armed Forces in the Ukrainian theater of operations), even a hint of criticism of the domestic PMC and its creator is INAPPROPRIATE, harmful, treacherously - counterproductive ... The effectiveness of this connection is an example for study and imitation, a positive experience for the relevant structures of the RF Ministry of Defense .... Maybe then the issue of "volunteer movement" for equipping the aircraft with modern equipment, means of observation and communication, and effective SPMP will disappear. The current fighter on the "red line" looks much "more modest" than his comrade from "Army 2022" ...

[North Caucasus]

What is the message of the comment? Create private tank divisions and combat aviation regiments along with a private navy and strategic missiles? Do we already have private military factories?

[nordscout]

And the "message" of the "North Caucasus" comment is that this is how our soldiers should look on the battlefield: in modern ammunition, with modern weapons, communications, reconnaissance equipment and a strong rear ... And commanders (leaders) who do not hide their sons abroad and do not pack them in "white tickets" .... That's what my "message" is about, Mr. "North Caucasus" ....

[nordscout]

Yes, I forgot ... I'll add. They don’t steal from Wagner, but everything goes where and to whom it’s supposed to ... With thieves (of all levels) the conversation is simple: “to the parapet” ....

[NOMADE]

Maybe because everything is missing there? And it comes to the fighters?

[Vipirozhnikow]

PMCs are a special kind of Special Operations Forces. No more and no less. Those who serve there are the same Defenders of our Fatherland. Once you understand this, it will become easier for you.

[MstislavHrabr]

Yes ... Then individual assholes who are used to robbing people without giving anything in return will not like it very much ...

[ilya.muromczev2013]

My friend is an entrepreneur of the "middle hand", by Moscow standards, almost a rogue. So even he calculated that with his (conditionally) "free" money he could organize something similar to the Wagner PMC, in the amount of one company (read - 100 people). It is another matter that they are constantly supported - yes, there will not be enough money, and the help of those whose interests they will protect will be needed. So it's almost like a small business! And for such a large company as Prigozhin's Concorde, maintaining several hundred people is a piece of cake...

[victor50]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

How??? Well, that's just - what??
Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from? Where does PMCs get modern weapons from? And then ask yourself - why ALL THIS is not in the regular army and the National Guard and how it turned out to be with PMCs. Just don’t say what kind of personal funds ..... more precisely - it’s clear what kind of personal. But where do they get personal?
It is controlled today. And if tomorrow it will change, then what?

Now they started talking about his organizational talents, but when before the war they were outraged by the leaders of the LPR, for example, they somehow didn’t praise him much, the most harmless thing was called a cook. And here he is already the head of the PMC, the commander and the statesman. So immediately...

[gansales]

Quote: dmi.pris

One word - deserved. With big stars on shoulder straps, you need to take an example from Prigozhin

I agree, obviously I didn’t get it for chatting .. Then “our” liberals hate him so much and in the West they are constantly trying to offend and find compromising evidence ..
God bless you Eugene and your son!!

[MBRSS]

Quote: dmi.pris

we need to take an example from Prigogine

if, even before the SVO, the people's militia of the LDNR had been equipped with the most modern equipment and trained personnel in Russia, then the SVO could have been completely different. And the Donetsk people would be cooler than the Wagnerians! But "they adhered to the Minsk agreements", while in Kyiv they did not adhere to a damn thing.
But in any case, Prigozhin is more worthy of a Hero than the hero Sechin with the hard worker Rotenberg (in the sense of the Hero of Labor).

[laws70]

Do you want a joke?

Yevgeny Prigozhin has three "stars". Namely, the star of the hero of Russia, as well as the DPR and LPR.

After the DLNR joins the Russian Federation, all these three awards will be equalized with each other. And according to the statute, a monument will need to be erected in St. Petersburg for this. Or rename the street.

Now imagine the boring face of Alexander Beglov.

https://t.me/colonel_cassad/106405

[Ivan Ivanov]

I have a question - who fotal / laid out and why?

[Fisherman]

It's okay ... let them know that Prigozhin appreciates his fighters, that they are not consumables, Nagin has only state awards - three "muzhiks" (which of the generals boasts of such service to the Motherland?), Not counting the rest! He was a worthy leader! Earth rest in peace HERO!

[Vipirozhnikow]

And besides the three Orders of Courage, he has two black Wagner crosses (analogue of the "Man") and now the star of the Hero of Russia. Earth rest in peace to him.

[gansales]

Quote: IvanIvanov

I have a question - who fotal / laid out and why?

And so that the liberals and other adherents of the West raise a howl ..hehe
A true patriot of Russia!

[dmi.pris1]

And what's wrong? Prigozhin's photo is full everywhere. From Wikipedia to the picture on the wall. This is a photo from a funeral in Volgograd

[volodimer]

And even in this photo, the difference between the white-blue-red ribbon on the left star and the black-blue-red ribbon on the right star of Prigogine and the white-blue-red ribbon on the star of his neighbor is clearly visible.
The color of the ribbon of the central star is seen a little worse, but there with a probability of 99,9999% the color of the flag of the LPR.
Yes, 3 Hero Stars, but not yet:

some Ukrainian resources began to claim that Prigozhin is three times Hero of Russia

Although it is possible that there will be more, he deserves it.

[NOMADE]

I have nothing against it, but how does the law work? eight

[Quote Lavrov]

Well, like many centuries ago: everything is for your enemies - the law!

[certero]

I wonder if Mr. Abramovich will receive a hero star for organizing the exchange of Nazis and foreign mercenaries?

[Ivan Ivanov]

Abramovich clearly covers his ass in England, the question is how many mercenaries were "sold" to him. My personal opinion is that mercenaries are a very good exchange fund.

[taiga2018]

This is about the fact that our entire elite and their children allegedly sit out in bars and nightclubs, although of course among their representatives, as well as among ordinary people, there are nits who want to enter paradise on someone else's hump ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: taiga2018

of course, among their representatives, as well as among ordinary people, there are nits who want to enter paradise on someone else's hump

No wonder they say "A large family has its black sheep." The question is, what part of society do they make up? how many nits will make up a critical mass capable of blowing up society?
For example, for Ukraine, the critical mass of nits was 10%. Who knows a lot or a little, but that’s how many right-wing parties gained before in 2014 they began to build deputies of the Verkhovna Rada with machine guns and destroy Russians, supporters of cooperation with Russia and simply independent journalists with impunity. Those. 10% of Ukrainians were able to completely radicalize society and turn the majority against Russia.
For Russia, with its low population density in most regions, the critical mass % could be much lower. Therefore, the Russians need to be more careful and try hard on the spot to suppress attempts to undermine the foundations of the state and general human values.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Apparently a Hero of Russia, the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic.

[volodimer]

Similarly, the flags of the colors of the Russian Federation, LPR, DPR are visible on the ribbons on the stars.

[shark507]

I probably got the first star for the fact that I closed the embrasure of the pillbox with myself.
The second for throwing himself under a tank with a grenade.
Well, the third - for 50 personally downed enemy aircraft.

[AVA77]

Do you write from the other world?
They rushed under the tank with a grenade. They died for the Motherland, but they didn’t give you stars, even posthumously.
Pechalka

[NOMADE]

Do you have a star for a perforated sofa?

[Vipirozhnikow]

Seeing what and how you write, it is clear that a dialogue with "You" (with a capital letter means) will never be conducted with you.

The less you know the better you sleep.

[shark507]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from?

And what, there are those who really believe that he spends his money on this?
He also earns from it.

[guest]

But he's not spending your money. As for making money, we have capitalism.

[Charik]

wets Khokhlofashikov for money, I respect it.

[voyaka uh]

The big man is a billionaire.
Was a cook. Catering. Supplies to the army. PMC.
In Africa, he was paid for the services of PMCs with rough diamonds. Heaps of diamonds - about a weight.
Therefore, he pays generously with his people

[acetophenone]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from?

You, I see, asked. Tell us what you got. You are not a talker, but are you really interested in the question? What did you find out?

[former soldier]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

How??? Well, that's just - what??
Have you ever wondered where he got the money for PMCs from? Where does PMCs get modern weapons from? And then ask yourself - why ALL THIS is not in the regular army and the National Guard and how it turned out to be with PMCs. Just don’t say what kind of personal funds ..... more precisely - it’s clear what kind of personal. But where do they get personal?

What difference does it make where the money comes from. Main result. Chubais was overwhelmed with money, but where are the new breakthrough technologies?

[guest]

Like where, from our enemies, he transferred all this money there.

[former soldier]

Quote: shark507

I probably got the first star for the fact that I closed the embrasure of the pillbox with myself.
The second for throwing himself under a tank with a grenade.
Well, the third - for 50 personally downed enemy aircraft.

It's easy to lay down a fool's head. The main thing is that it gives results, because we have a lot of talkers and promises anyway.

[Kesha1980]

Have you heard anything about goodwill gestures?
No, I'm from PMC Wagner.

18+

https://youtu.be/PSfe0XYMFcM -

[Metallurg_2]

Well, according to the statute, the awarding of the Hero of Russia more than once is not provided.

[Master 2030]

What has my country become? Huckster on suction at the Ministry of Defense flaunts in the stars of "Hero". No, guys, with such heroyamas, the zelebobik gores.

[composite]

There are no words. I won’t be surprised if Medvedchuk is also shown with three stars or crosses or horses

[Dzafdet]

Some videos with Kadyrov's men disappeared... Where did they go? Have you gone on vacation?

[Vyacheslav1962]

“Where did you get the money from?
- The wife gave.
- Where did you get your wife?
- In the nightstand.
- And where did they come from in the nightstand?
- I put it there.
- Where did you get them?
- So I said - the wife gave.
This PMC has long been a brand of the state. If you look at the geography of travel of this company and the tasks performed, then the question will disappear. Because security pays a lot.
On what basis does she receive money? So everything in its name - "Private ...".
Why is there a private military company with an international activity in the state? Probably, it is beneficial for the state to solve foreign political issues without using official diplomatic and military channels.
Does she receive anything from the budget? Perhaps, because someone from the power unit is probably supervising her. But budget injections are a drop compared to official earnings on the side. And, probably, there is something to pay for this budget drop.
It is bad manners to count other people's money when it is clear what they are paid for.
There are many more incomprehensible people and organizations in the state that are sawing the budget instead of air.

[Carlos Hall]

Well-deserved awards, great patriot. The Wagner Group responds with high professionalism

[koralevviktor]

And at least 5 stars, what's the difference. The main guys don’t care, the main thing is that the babosiki flow like a river. According to foreign boasters, he is generally close to the Kremlin. Volodya himself goes to him for advice on where to put a check and where not. You can't order the elite, that's what the elite is for.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded officials who gained fame after the attack of football players Alexander Kokorin and Pavel Mamaev. Their names appear in the decree on awarding state awards, published on the portal of legal information. (With)

[NAF-NAF]

Star of the times of the Great Patriotic War - definitely Yes! But after Leonid Ilyich, the only GSS in the world four times (who bypassed even Pokryshkin and Kozhedub in "heroism") - the depreciation of the GSS title has already begun. However, it was no longer the Stalinist USSR, but the era of the revival of Trotskyism Khrushchev’s bottling, the amnesty of Bendera and other outrages, which eventually led to what we are stewing in today ...

[ocean]

Beautiful! And I will tell any skeptics that the life of his son is not measured, by any means, by financial sources.
"... ask him yourself in Donbass..."

[NAF-NAF]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Where does PMCs get modern weapons from? And then ask yourself - why ALL THIS is not with the regular army and the National Guard

Heard this version. An important background: the USSR did not suddenly and did not collapse on its own, but was defeated in the Cold War (including with the help of the betrayal of the party nomenklatura). The winners not only tore the Union to pieces, but also put their people in all key management positions - in almost all areas. These Gaidars / Grefs / Chubais were specially trained to rule the defeated Russia in order to keep it in a slave colonial state. The people's property was transferred to the ownership of the oligarchs - transfer pumps that remove resources from defeated Russia. (The mere transfer of radioactive materials accumulated during the Soviet era for a pittance is worth something!)
And so: defeated Russia was not supposed to have economic growth (the economy was reliably suffocated by a high interest rate, which makes any serious development impossible), have a capable army (and combat training has almost ceased, the most dangerous weapons have been eliminated / cut), and so on - in all sectors. Russia's resources were pumped FREE OF CHARGE and steadily to the West (only in recent months did it begin to dawn on the broad masses that if in exchange for your goods - for example gas - they give you the type of "money", but then they do not accept it for payment, then this is not at all money, but the usual mechanism of robbery.But even a year ago, many believed that Russia had foreign exchange reserves!)
It is physically impossible to defeat this hydra of "effective managers" (serving the overseas master) head-on, according to the law (especially since the laws, including the Constitution of Russia, were written by those very "Western partners" of Yeltsin. This is generally a separate and very interesting topic).
If Putin wants to withdraw Russia from colonial dependence on the West (and a lot of facts over the past 20 years speak precisely about this) - then how should he act? The position of president does not allow you to get a sword and rush into the attack on a crowd of Western agents (you can try, but as they say, only once ...). Therefore, the only possible path was chosen by the Supreme. Not to conflict with every reptile, but to unite everyone, find common interests, and slowly force them to work for Russia (concessions and bargaining are inevitable, alas, and something had to be sacrificed ... The same extradition from captivity of the leaders of the Nazis, which cannot be explained to others).

And solve the key issues already not as president (the president's speeches are advisory in nature, and the execution of presidential decrees is somewhere at the plinth level), and in "manual control" mode (through personal connections and various cunning schemes).
Well, Finally, we come to PMCs: if for some reason the RF Armed Forces cannot be “officially” well equipped with everything necessary (the proteges of the West are blocking - both in industry and in the Defense Ministry), then it remains to use an unofficial structure such as PMCs, where no one will interfere with solving all problems for money.
PS:
In the absence of anything more intelligible, for me this is now a "working hypothesis". If someone explains the situation more logically, I will gladly consider any versions.

[runway-1]

Version from the category: "Near-art wonders"!

[t200404]

Brezhnev is still far away, but it will be enough time to catch up.

[Luenkov]

And that staff rats also want Heroes, except for apartments, of course ... In Matskva ... Why is cheese - boron then?

[Mazunga]

BEAUTIFUL if you compare Prigozhin and Abramovich, then the first one is really your kid on the board, and the second one wants to be put into a gas wagon, I wonder why?

[valera75]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

You still don’t understand the meaning of the question ... ok ... I’ll simplify - why does this money go not to the army, but to PMCs?

What money? He invested some of his own and can throw it up and now and then he concludes contracts, I’ll clarify FOR MONEY, with countries or with the Russian Federation, this is a private business. And why are there questions to Prigozhin about providing for the army and not, for example, that general responsible for the rear who was recently removed from his post?

[former soldier]

Quote: NAF-NAF

And, finally, we come to PMCs: if for some reason the RF Armed Forces cannot be "officially" well equipped with everything necessary (the proteges of the West are blocking - both in industry and in the Moscow Region), then it remains to use an unofficial structure such as PMCs, where no one It won't hurt to solve all the problems for money.

Yes, the entire NMD should be dealt with by the regular units of the Ministry of Defense, including special forces, with the participation of the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies as necessary, but they should not sit in the trenches and storm cities. But in the current situation, which has developed for unknown reasons, one must proceed from real conditions and therefore the participation of PMCs, the Russian Guard, Chechen formations, and so on. you need to welcome, and not blow your nose to be interested in money. Not time. But the Ministry of Defense should in the future prevent such military "hodgepodges" formed "with the world on a string." Tea is not 1941.

[composite]

Well, right Kozhedub. an example for schoolchildren, make a film.
Respect!

[senima56]

According to the statute, the title of "Hero of Russia" can only be awarded once! And thank God! And then somehow it turns out incomprehensibly: "twice a hero", three times a hero" ... "Hero" he is a HERO!
And Prigozhin clearly deserved all these awards! An example for the youth!

[Galleon]

Quote: North Caucasus

But attracting PMCs is the same purchase but at horse prices! Where is the savings here?

Here they have already quoted the truth of life: friends - everything, enemies - the law.

[_simply]

The oligarch (businessman) of a healthy person ...

[Altmann]

He is a good organizer, this is probably the most important thing. He did a great job with his guys. They slander him in a foreign language, which means he works a lot and smartly for Russia

[yuriy55]

Maybe not in the topic, but today, just in the "Sunday Evening" the topic of mobilization was touched upon and FOR THE FIRST TIME ON THE CENTRAL CHANNEL a journalist's proposal was made - not to appoint people to "warm" and simply public positions who "hooked" from the army ... This is what I was talking about when I proposed introducing a number of restrictions on people who have not fulfilled their duty to the Fatherland for unknown reasons.
Another proposal was made to the rich "Pinocchio" to share in the funds mobilized and their families, which chickens do not peck ...
*****
In the light of the article about Prigozhin and the decree on partial mobilization, there is a proposal to conduct an audit in the ranks of officials (especially in the military registration and enlistment offices). What is going on there and who deals with these important issues, so that later it does not turn out that someone had a hidden craving for golden toilets.

[Bagatur]

Somehow the Star of the Hero was worth a lot ... Now, a big devaluation ... It's hard to introduce Shoigu to me, and not only he is on the same page as Pokrishkin, etc.

[Down]

Quote from nordscout

.. In these circumstances (today and the state of our aircraft in the Ukrainian theater), even a hint of criticism of the domestic PMC and its creator is INAPPROPRIATE, harmful, treacherously - counterproductive ... The effectiveness of this connection is an example for study and imitation, a positive experience for the relevant structures of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation .... Perhaps then the question of "volunteer movement" for equipping the aircraft with modern equipment, means of observation and communication, and effective SPMP will disappear. The current fighter on the "red line" looks much "more modest" than his comrade from "Army 2022" ...

I have nothing against PMC Wagner. May I ask, what are the troops doing in the NVO that are not included, unequipped, unstimulated, legal, law-abiding, ineffective? They urgently need to be replaced with the complete opposite, the Wagnerites and they will do everything in the best possible way and they won’t spoil the statistics, and they won’t ask questions about them. Did I understand you correctly? Or is there not enough money for everyone?

[Down]

Quote: yuriy55

In the light of the article about Prigozhin and the decree on partial mobilization, there is a proposal to conduct an audit in the ranks of officials (especially in the military registration and enlistment offices). What is going on there and who deals with these important issues, so that later it does not turn out that someone had a hidden craving for golden toilets.

We live in a capitalist society and an official cannot work for 40-50 thousand a month, when he is offered many times more every day, no, well, of course there are white crows, but I don’t think that the fight against bribery will be productive, everyone is fighting it countries, even "communist" China, have not yet won.

[VasyaRules]

Well, somewhere such salaries. In 2015, the chief officer of the conscription department received 11 thousand rubles + a quarterly bonus and 6 thousand Sobyaninskys. And with such money he must carry out such important work. Therefore, of the men in the military registration and enlistment offices, only those who can somehow influence the issuance of the WB and the military commissar themselves are detained, and the rest are either those who are not needed anywhere at all, or the wives of the military, who work, as it were, for themselves!

[ddmitrij]

After the DPR and LPR join Russia, the rewards will be equalized. And he will become a Hero of Russia three times.

[ilya.muromczev2013]

Well done PRIGOGIN!
And why are some @ zdat here, supposedly he is all "not with his own money" - maybe not all of his money is there (although Concorde is a large company), and now what? Besides him, do many businessmen do this for the benefit of the state? ... How did Luka say in Gorky's "At the Bottom"?:
- Money is easy for a lot of people! Yes, few people part with them easily ...

[Gas smoke protector]

Here, a heated argument broke out about equipment and other goodies. My question is even simpler: on what basis does a private company have heavy weapons, armored vehicles and even aircraft? The Weapons Act does not allow this. I myself work at an enterprise with special statutory tasks, but we are not even allowed to use live ammunition, only "civilian" ones. Now the most incomprehensible thing is: why is the law not written for someone?

[Down]

Quote from shikin

The army has its own tasks, the National Guard has its own, the Ministry of Emergency Situations has its own, and the PMCs have their own too. And for you, does it mean that all this is superfluous?

I asked for your opinion, and the question arose from mass criticism of PMCs belonging, for example, to Kolomoisky, who also guarded his property and liquidated objectionable ones, but with the start of the SVO, they are at war with our troops. But you yourself said that this is their bread, this is their niche. Or is our PMC fundamentally different from theirs, our pacifists and do not obey the law, whoever pays orders the music? Especially being abroad, where our legislation does not apply. They protect the good of Lukoil. Essentially an oligarch.

[VasyaRules]

The highest award and on some jacket. It would be fine for a jacket, of course it looks so-so. However, the most important thing is that I don’t understand, but why is he a Hero of Russia? The network writes that for achievements in the DPR, LPR, Africa and Syria, that allegedly its fighters received state awards, but if this is a PMC, then what kind of state awards can there be for private individuals not related to the active army?

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: NAF-NAF

For success in command and control, commanders should be given awards, not a gold star. Otherwise, the meaning of the award is lost, if simply "in aggregate" ...

If you include musicians in the Russian Army, then he will officially become a state, and he needs to be given a military rank. Then we can talk about military awards. Anyone can be our hero. And a civilian too.

"Hero of the Russian Federation (unofficial version of the name - Hero of Russia) - the state award of the Russian Federation - the highest title awarded for services to the state and people associated with the accomplishment of a heroic deed [1]."

Find a mention of military personnel.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote from VasyaRules

The highest award and on some jacket. It would be fine for a jacket, of course it looks so-so. However, the most important thing is that I don’t understand, but why is he a Hero of Russia? The network writes that for achievements in the DPR, LPR, Africa and Syria, that allegedly its fighters received state awards, but if this is a PMC, then what kind of state awards can there be for private individuals not related to the active army?

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