“They are frisky and very fast”: the view of the militant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the work of the fighters of the Wagner group

In the military conflict with the Kyiv regime, the Wagner groups showed high combat effectiveness due to excellent training, iron discipline and special military tactics. Even the militants of the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to recognize the threat emanating from the “Wagnerites”.
One of the Ukrainian special forces told the Ukrainian press about the encounter with this enemy:

They are agile and very fast. An ordinary RPG officer, if, for example, he is standing behind a building, he needs to look out, look and shoot, [it takes] literally ten seconds. [Wagnerian works] for three seconds - he looked out and [immediately] fired. That is, he has a very hard stuffed hand

- said the militant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, according to whom, after the battle, the loss of his detachment amounted to two people.

A high level of training and coherence is complemented by an “aggressive” manner of fighting: the “Wagnerians” are distinguished by good maneuverability and perseverance. If the enemy behaves passively, clinging to the sector of defense assigned to him, then the Russian fighters with a swift attack, constantly maneuvering, go to enemy positions and destroy the "entrenched" enemy.

They work very fast and hard. They don't stop. If you do not fight back, then they move so strongly that if we remained in position and did nothing, then we would simply be destroyed

- the Ukrainian militant shared his experience.

Comments

[Trapp1st]

Wagner groups showed high combat effectiveness

Work brothers!

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Trapp1st

Wagner groups showed high combat effectiveness

Work brothers!

The "brothers" are not paid badly? And you, with all due respect, do not know where and for whom the "brothers" worked ... they are just mercenaries, nothing personal. at the moment, their "musicians" play in our orchestra? ... and if they buy it?

[Trapp1st]

"brothers" are not paid badly?

And rightly so, it should be not only for musicians.

at the moment, their "musicians" play in our orchestra? ... and if they buy it?

I think it's no secret that many of them are there just to play in our orchestra.

[volodimer]

I think it's no secret that many of them are there just to play in our orchestra.

You are right, they play in OUR orchestra!
And one more moment..
Let the 7th symphony in besieged Leningrad be performed by an incomplete orchestra, but it thundered all over the world.
Now the guys are in the best condition, which means that the symphony will be played even cooler.
How about a symphony? Yes, they are playing a requiem for such militants there ... But this is already from the field of terminology. At least call it a polonaise, even a lezginka, even a hapak, but if after that several enemies stop dancing, then this is the right orchestra and the right music.

[Rage66]

And you, with all due respect, do not even know that the word "not bad" is spelled together .. Have you graduated from school? Fighter...

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Aerodrome

.it's just mercenaries, nothing personal. at the moment, their "musicians" play in our orchestra? ... and if they buy it?

Man, go to the hospital and get drunk.......
Mercenaries ..... but did not think about who they are mercenaries ??
And sometimes you need to think with your head, and not only eat it.)
They are mercenaries in the service of the STATE. These are the same contractors, only with a slightly different contract, with different RFPs, and not always with the support of the Moscow Region.
A contractor has a breach of contract, dismissal or prison.
The musicians have a breach of contract: - a bullet .....

[Terenin]

then we would just be destroyed

- the Ukrainian militant shared his experience.

And, you, with your Nazi symbols, will be destroyed for sure. Thank you more for this, tell Volyn, Kalina and other exchanged.

By the way, de.bil

They frisky and very fast

It is the same.

[volodimer]

They are agile and very fast.
It is the same.

I remembered:

Nimble and fast - you will go to the ministers

But that's not it...
In more Zhvanetsky

Conservatory, graduate school, fraud, scam, court, Siberia.
Conservatory, private lessons, another private lessons, dentures, gold, furniture, court, Siberia.
Conservatory, accompaniment, trading college, head. production, caviar, crabs, currency, gold, court, Siberia.
Maybe something in the conservatory to fix?

Again, not...
Can the Wagnerites be invited to the conservatory to correct them? And the ministries are different too ..
Novel above:

A contractor has a breach of contract, dismissal or prison.
The musicians have a breach of contract: - a bullet .....

But the right approach, they won the war with him.

[Ros 56]

Judge for yourself, illiterate scribbler. How many classes did he finish, did he reach his heels?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aerodrome

"brothers" are not badly paid

The main thing is that the guys do a great job, and the money is incidental.
Everyone would work like that.

[Edik]

The main thing is that they are pure patriots of Russia.

[PrAkyror]

And that our army is not paid?
It's all about the people... RUSSIAN people!

[Valery Vl.]

Instead of redneck definitions, try it yourself. Yes, for money, but not only for money. People get paid and they work. And they die, by the way, not sitting on the couch.

[nordscout]

Envy "aerodrome"? The first principle of "classic" capitalism is that class work should be well paid (see NHL, Formula 1, Chelsea, Manchester United, Blackwater, Group 4 Securicor and the list goes on). You can offer your services (if you come), although it’s safer to “moralize” from the couch ... And the Wagner “orchestras” are one of the most effective formations of the domestic Special Operations Forces, which do their work quietly, without “rattling” in the media where no need to shine with stars, asterisks and stripes, where the risk is very high and regular units stop in a "stupor", where you need to act according to non-standard rules and methods and win and win .... And all this is WAGNER PMC. As they say about them: "The Best of Hell" .....

[And Us Rat]

A high level of training and coherence is complemented by an “aggressive” manner of fighting: the “Wagnerians” are distinguished by good maneuverability and perseverance. If the enemy behaves passively, clinging to the sector of defense assigned to him, then the Russian fighters with a swift attack, constantly maneuvering, go to enemy positions and destroy the "entrenched" enemy.

Curious. As if their Israeli instructors are training. This is an AOI infantry combat model, one to one.
Pressure pressure, initiation of fire contact, advanced tactical initiative, fast battle dynamics, high density of fire combined with accuracy, constant maneuvering, proactive work.
They work well, right.

[Dedok]

Quote: Aerodrome

"brothers" are not paid badly?

and in this life, a lot of work for the idea?
m.b. - you?
or the amounts paid to them - do not let them sleep?

[Paul Siebert]

Well what can I say?
Even Pugachikha is crazy about Prigogine...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Even Pugachikha is crazy about Prigogine...

But what about the Russophobe husband Galkin?

[Paul Siebert]

This one of these days will be recorded in the DSHB.
Private.
In Debilno - Schizophrenic Hospital.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Paul Siebert

In Debilno - Schizophrenic Hospital.

Rather YES.

[VORON538]

This one, which is Maxim? Yes, not a wall! Move! :)))

[4ekist]

One of the Ukrainian special forces told the Ukrainian press about the clash with this enemy......

I hope that next time this Ukrospetsnaz member will no longer need to know anything.

[marchcat]

That's what these divisions are for. why be surprised. There is nothing for the dickheads to do there.

[Siberian 66]

And because there is no drill and endless papers, analyzes, plans, checks on the implementation of plans and analysis of analyzes! And you don't have to paint the curbs! And blankets for the chief to level!!!! And beat off the snow with a rectangle !!!!!!!!!! You just need to serve the Motherland and learn military science in a REAL way !!

[tatarin1972]

Everyone picks up equipment for himself, as it suits him, and not as it should be according to the charter - ugly, but uniform.

[DIM (a)]

they just beat off their blankets a long time ago ...

[poquello]

"if we had stayed in position and did nothing, then they would have simply destroyed us," like - "we are dill special forces, we can run fast, peck, peck brain peck"

[T.A.V.]

We had fun) we won by 70% somewhere, but if we had remained in position, we would have been destroyed! So won or left the position? :-)

[silverwolf88]

they are not frisky / fast they are professionals and constantly improve their battle tactics

[yuriy55]

I admire the work of professionals. Such groups should be surrounded by care and attention to the needs of the state. It is necessary to encourage, financially and morally support those who perform work that no one else can do.
Talkers from TV and other talkers let those who listen to them feed.
Well done. Respect and respect.

[Quote Lavrov]

Completely disagree. This should be the full-time army, the National Guard, and not unclear what private companies. This should become the norm for any military unit - combat training, and not drill or drill regulations.
But a private army is a very unstable argument, which today is controlled by the state, but not tomorrow.
Yes, and if the state invested the same money in ordinary military units, developed best practices downstairs, and not in PMCs, then it would still be necessary to see what effect it would have.
There are no questions for the guys themselves - they are professionals. The question is the principle of application of such practice.

[Terenin]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Completely disagree. This should be the full-time army, the National Guard, and not unclear what private companies. This should become the norm for any military unit - combat training, and not drill or drill regulations.
But a private army is a very unstable argument, which today is controlled by the state, but not tomorrow.
Yes, and if the state invested the same money in ordinary military units, developed best practices downstairs, and not in PMCs, then it would still be necessary to see what effect it would have.
There are no questions for the guys themselves - they are professionals. The question is the principle of application of such practice.

So you "discovered America." So where does the PMC? Work in army units to exhaustion. Who's stopping you, PMC?

[Quote Lavrov]

Are you joking ?
Filling out dozens of options for paperwork, plans that have more hours of studying charters than at the training ground? How do you imagine - such a company commander, oh guys, we take cartridges not according to the norm of the exercise, approved by who knows who and who knows when, but until we shoot!
Now we’ll take solariums for the most I don’t want - they don’t save money on us. Yes, and go and order new unloadings, uniforms, collimators, jeeps, do not forget to order in the warehouse, etc.
Where are you going to work there? Who will let you do this in a rigid and regulated structure, when you, even being a division commander, without agreeing on hundreds of plans in a couple of years, cannot lead the division to unexpected exercises ...
Feeling like you haven't served a day in the army

[Terenin]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Are you joking ?
Filling out dozens of options for paperwork, plans that have more hours of studying charters than at the training ground? How do you imagine - such a company commander, oh guys, we take cartridges not according to the norm of the exercise, approved by who knows who and who knows when, but until we shoot!
Now we’ll take solariums for the most I don’t want - they don’t save money on us. Yes, and go and order new unloadings, uniforms, collimators, jeeps, do not forget to order in the warehouse, etc.
Where are you going to work there? Who will let you do this in a rigid and regulated structure, when you, even being a division commander, without agreeing on hundreds of plans in a couple of years, cannot lead the division to unexpected exercises ...
Feeling like you haven't served a day in the army

Well, change the statutes taking into account the SVO.
Okay, so what do you propose?

[Quote Lavrov]

Change your training drastically. By minimizing charters, drill, PCD, etc. Create training centers for junior officers and non-commissioned officers, in which specialists with combat experience will be retrained. And so on.
But these are trifles in comparison with the fact that people come to leadership positions not based on knowledge and skills, but on acquaintance, family ties and the ability to fit into the system. In such a paradigm, you can put a million Armats even tomorrow, but it's like giving one glass object to someone.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Absolutely disagree.

I was expecting you to come up with a more compelling argument. It is your right to agree or not. The fact is that the activities of PMCs are more similar to the action of the DRG or DShV (airborne assault troops). A priori, there cannot be many of them, because the tactics of their actions are different from the combined arms tactics. Another question is that these PMCs should have state-provided training centers, and not the territories of abandoned military units and pioneer camps. This is where we will end.

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Change your training drastically.

In order to radically change training, it is necessary to develop combined arms tactics that have been modified taking into account the experience of military operations. Most likely, the terms of the army service today do not allow to train a specialist in the VUS.
I will not give any advice - for this there are specialists with richer service experience and big stars. I know one thing for sure: enough to engage in "stepping" and study the charters for peacetime.
THE ARMY SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR WAR!!!
It's time to stop this vicious practice of annual parades and biathlons. Top-class specialists should teach young people, and not play tricks in public ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Radically change training ... Create training centers for junior officers and non-commissioned officers, in which specialists with combat experience will retrain ...
Minimizing statutes,

Those. each instructor-commander changes ... and trains at his own discretion?
And, in the event of the failure of such "preparation", how will you determine what exactly was violated and why the fighters died? And how to quickly eliminate such errors in other departments?

It is the absence of clear regulatory criteria that allows us to come

Quote: Quote Lavrov

to leadership positions ... not by knowledge and skills, but by acquaintance, family ties and the ability to integrate into the system.

[nordscout]

Let me add to what has been said ... One could get into the "Priarbatsky VO" for "further service": a) the presence of a Moscow residence permit; b) the presence of a very furry "paw", c) you show military abilities and talents higher than Generalisimus Suvorov A.V. , but in the absence of the "availability" of options "a", "b" - the path to the capital was thorny and unpredictable ... ... Other options also took place, but with a significant "brake effect", or with "interesting offers that could not be refused "... Here is such a paradigm in all its military glory ... And no matter what, we are fighting ...

[leyurtim]

PMCs were invented in the West as a cover. Initially, they allegedly had to protect the oil fields of large companies in dangerous areas and receive payment for this. But their underwater component is to take responsibility for military operations, where it is highly undesirable and even unacceptable to substitute the state. Now the functions of PMCs, due to good funding and the ability to select and train highly qualified specialists in various fields, the most severe discipline, have expanded. Thus, Wagner is involved in protecting the governments of a number of developing countries, strengthening our influence there. And, for a lot of money!

[Terenin]

Quote: yuriy55

Such groups should be surrounded by care and attention to the needs of the state. It is necessary to encourage, financially and morally support those who perform work that no one else can do.

Who knows Maybe it is precisely such conditions as now that have created real professionals.

And, an example of those favored by the state - the same artists (state budget and awards) made them vile traitors.
Pugacheva, Khamatova, Galkin, Makarevich, Grebenshchikov...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

And, an example of those favored by the state - the same artists (state budget and awards) made them vile traitors.

I thought they were people, and they are "shize".

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Terenin

And, an example of those favored by the state - the same artists

In the creative sphere, the problems are weak competition and incorrect, in modern times, allocation of budgets.
There should be procedures more similar to the sports sector, when the main state budgets are allocated for the infrastructure of the entertainment and information sphere (sports complexes, stadiums, etc. - in this case, for television and radio studios, palaces of culture and performance venues, props workshops, computer graphics and processing equipment, creation of design bureaus and production of audio-video equipment, etc.). Accordingly, the main part of this material and technical base and a fleet of expensive and hard-to-reach equipment should be allocated to the regions and made available to provincial youth studying in specialized schools, colleges and universities, and local specialized commercial firms, so that provincial strong young competitors are in-line nurtured there - on modern material and technical base. Artists should earn on the created conditions and infrastructure in the same way as athletes - on their own and in highly competitive commercial conditions, and not on budget injections. There should be an opportunity to earn money in the regions, not only in the capital. And now they like to give money for a specific project - a film or a TV show, which leads to well-known results. If they can get rid of this and even for art projects, instead of the state, they will look for money in the form of loans in private small banks, then it will be good.

[nordscout]

And about these ... Press the button of the drain barrel and do not forget, then, to wash your hands thoroughly .....

[nordscout]

I am clarifying. I'm talking about the Galkins, Khamatovs, Grebenshchikovs and other Makarevichs .....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yuriy55

I admire the work of professionals.

I'm all for it !

[Boycott]

if we had remained in position and did nothing, then we would have simply been destroyed

Good recognition and advice, musicians appeared - tear your claws if you want to live. There would be more such professionals.

[Mint Gingerbread]

I have heard more than once such an opinion that the fighters of such organizations, in most cases, can no longer live in peacetime, an ordinary life. Their psychological comfort zone, fighting remains. Therefore, apparently, they are called, dogs of war. Professionals, formed with one goal, to destroy.

[Pocc]

And why is he using Russian without a license? ((
Deny! And hand over to the SBU.
Let him teach MOV, since he works for Bandera, don't care here!

[Arkady007]

It's nice to read that even the enemy recognizes our superiority.

[Fitter65]

They are agile and very fast.

A drug addict got a job at a zoo. They left him as a watchman - a breadwinner for the turtles .... They come in the morning the corral is open, there are no turtles ... -Where are the turtles? ..

[Silver99]

Ha, frisky and fast are synonymous words and have the same semantic meaning. The VSUshnik, if he is lucky and gets captured, reads Dahl's dictionary with pleasure. I agree with the previous statements, this tactic, combined with high training and assertiveness in battle, should become the norm for everyone !!! infantry units of the RF Armed Forces, and not individual private companies.

[zenion]

What the Bandera people recognize is up to the light bulb that has burned out. Everything should be so that there would be no one to recognize.

[Terenin]

Quote: zenion

Bandera - this is up to the light bulb that burned out.

Of course, it would be better to shake off this honey

[iouris]

Frisky - has several meanings: mobile and cheerful; fast, agile in running.

[Kesha1980]

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[rocket757]

“They are frisky and very fast”: the view of the militant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the work of the fighters of the Wagner group

. An army, a large "organism" and, alas, cannot consist only of such.
However ... how the army learns, how the army is equipped, so it fights in general!

[Mint Gingerbread]

If almost the entire army consisted of such specialists, half the world would be put off by * l during the next exercises or any other gestures

[Boromir1941]

oh, brains turned on. that's right. the back seat is on fire and the brains are right there

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

For me personally, it doesn't matter whether these people are judged or not judged. They are fighting for their country. Everything else (criminal record) doesn't matter. And I strongly advise the Nazis not to be captured by convicted Wagnerites. They don't have judges, prosecutors and lawyers. If they see a swastika, they will kill you.

[acetophenone]

I think it's kind of like medieval mercenary companies. It is possible to cut a task, supply and demand execution from them. But building them, probably, will not work.

[Alex Nevs]

Who knows a little bit of History, he asks ".. to fight with the Russians? Yes, you ...... s". And these only know the banderoshrons, and therefore they will "hide" them. And will be forgotten.

[Fima]

"They" just know the error in the wonderful film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". I didn’t count on a woman, that’s why I managed to scream.” First, they pierce the trachea, the lungs can’t even utter a peep, and then deprive the brain of oxygen (blood supply).

[Roman Bubnov]

Orchestra - "Virtuosos of Russia"!
Even the enemy will admit it.

[Chief Officer Lom]

I think that PMC Wagner was created by the state under the impression of how American PMCs openly do work in the interests of the United States, but there is no way to accuse the states of interfering. Where earlier, during the Soviet era, it was necessary to hide the participation of our military, mainly in Africa, now musicians are openly working. Therefore, we have this PMC and the only one. I think that we will not be allowed to create a truly commercial PMC. Naturally, in order to preserve all the advantages of a "private" office, all relations with the state are strictly unofficial. And you can shout as much as you like that this is obvious, there is no evidence.

[Chief Officer Lom]

In a sense, the creation of legal PMCs by the Americans is the same opening of a "Pandora's box" as the Kosovo precedent.

[alexey1213]

This is how the entire army should be trained. And to take the enemy not by mass heroism, but by training and skill.

[mr wolf]

Quote: Siberian 66

And beat off the snow with a rectangle !!!!!!!!!!

In our unit it was called "making suitcases"....

[bayaraa]

They not only fight for money, but also for Mother Russia. Russian soldiers have to learn from the Wagnerians and Chechens. They are professionals in their field.

[Old_Major]

Some remarks about how much they receive are interesting. Do not count other people's money. This is their job. And if someone works as a clerk or janitor for a penny, then his problems are to each his own. At one time (2000-2001), in order to get "combat", and how the major was "closed" for 12-14 days instead of a month, they offered to give 30% in the financial department, otherwise there is no money. Therefore, it pleases that a soldier can earn money with his own labor.

[couch]

God bless these guys and good luck. And our army "leaders" just need to learn from them. And the fact that they work for money is not so important. We live in a time where everything (unfortunately) is played by money.

[grigor727]

Why are soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine called militants? Neglect and underestimation of the enemy costs the Russian army very dearly. Is it that the army of the Russian Federation cannot defeat some militants for seven months?

[opposite28]

They are agile and very fast. An ordinary RPG officer, if, for example, he is standing behind a building, he needs to look out, look and shoot, [it takes] literally ten seconds. [Wagnerian works] for three seconds - he looked out and [immediately] fired. That is, he has a very hard stuffed hand

If anything else, and according to the concepts, they will decompose the decent Ukrainian life into dust, popularly explaining the wrongness of the nationalist idea.

[Sergei N 58912062]

GOOD MUSICIANS! If everyone worked the way they did, all the heroes of Ukraine would have gone to visit Bandera long ago.