Assumptions were made as to the specific purpose for which Russia used the Tu-214R aircraft in Ukraine

According to information leaked to the press, during a special military operation in Ukraine, the Russian military used the Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft for the first time.

There are only two such aircraft in service with the country's Aerospace Forces, one of which was tested in Ukraine after a recent overhaul. In June 2016, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the production of a third aircraft of this type.

As reported RIO News, citing an unnamed source, the Tu-214R was used to detect military facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The reconnaissance aircraft identifies such important targets as command posts, radar stations, communication centers, etc. and promptly transmits this data to command posts for strike.

According to some reports, the Tu-214R can detect enemy radars and radio stations at a distance of up to 400 kilometers.

The Tu-214R was created in the late 2000s on the basis of the Tu-214 passenger aircraft. The air reconnaissance was intended to replace the obsolete Il-20. The aircraft is assembled at the Kazan Aviation Production Association named after Gorbunov.

The Tu-214R reconnaissance aircraft was used in the military operation in Syria in 2016.

In connection with this kind of data, it is suggested that with the help of the Tu-214R, a base of coordinates of objects is created, which can be transferred to the missile forces, as well as for further use of shock weapons on these objects. drones and loitering ammunition.

Recall that the day before, several Geran-2 UAVs were used against military targets in Odessa, after which Zelensky accused Iran of providing military assistance to Russia and withdrew the “accreditation” of the ambassador of this country in Kyiv.

Comments

[FoBoss_V]

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why is there only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the drill is generally ONE !! The numbers are just horrendous.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Yes, and of the two, only one earned where it should. Yes, six months later...

[private person]

Yes, and of the two, only one earned where it should. Yes, even six months later.

Yes, all because there are only 2 of them, and somehow both the S-300 and the Buk M1 have fighters.

[Hey]

You should always read carefully, as well as count using the indicated numbers.
No one sends this aircraft to the front line or behind it to break through air defense.
"Buki" and S-300 are also not on the front line, but in a certain depth of combat formations. The range of these complexes is from 50 to 100 km. This means that a reconnaissance aircraft under the cover of fighters can be within 100 km. from the front line and look at the depth of the enemy defense for 300 km., well, let him look at 200 with high quality.

[Shurik70]

According to some reports, the Tu-214R can detect enemy radars and radio stations at a distance of up to 400 kilometers.

Enemy radars are located outside Ukraine - they fly over Europe along the border.
So don't knock them down. Until you hit it.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

Do radars fly? This is something new. Radars are not AWACS aircraft. These are ground facilities.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Andrey Gladkikh

Do radars fly? This is something new. Radars are not AWACS aircraft. These are ground facilities.

Well, it's not worth it so much to find fault. Early warning aircraft. In fact, the radar is.

[Urs]

You are a little behind the times of intelligence means.
Now everything can fly, including radar. You mentioned AWACS because it is nothing more than an air-based radar. What is on the ground in combination with missiles is also a radar but short-range detection.
Well, you shouldn't stick out your non-existent authority like that

[Fisherman]

this does not negate the urgent need to bring the A-100 to mind and their mass production!

[Sevastiec]

In this connection, I had a question: can we conduct reconnaissance, and especially photo reconnaissance, directly over enemy territory? We did this MiG-25R, but now? It looks like they were all written off, or am I mistaken?

[Alex777]

Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, received about 40 MiG-25RB.
As of 2012, up to 20 aircraft remained in service.
Removed from service in November 2013.

[Ritter Runkel]

Bei uns waren die bis 1991 in Werneuchen Nähe Berlin stationiert. OSCHAP 91 mit MIG 25 RB, RBT, RBSCH

[Sarboz]

Quote: private person

Yes, all because there are only 2 of them, and somehow both the S-300 and the Buk M1 have fighters.

Yes, there are fighters in the amount of several units. As a rule, when trying to fly, they get lost.

[private person]

Yes, there are fighters in the amount of several units. As a rule, when trying to fly, they get lost.

Truth ? Just once and shot them down, but they didn’t even have time to shoot?

[Sarboz]

Quote: private person

Yes, there are fighters in the amount of several units. As a rule, when trying to fly, they get lost.

Truth ? Just once and shot them down, but they didn’t even have time to shoot?

Judging by the reports, more often their attack aircraft and fighters get lost on their territory. Whatever they say, our operational air superiority is undeniable. Therefore, they make only single sorties.

[private person]

Judging by the reports, more often their attack aircraft and fighters get lost on their territory.

So then the SVO is carried out on their territory.

[Sarboz]

Quote: private person

Judging by the reports, more often their attack aircraft and fighters get lost on their territory.

So then the SVO is carried out on their territory.

That is, you consider the territories occupied by our troops, on which the referendum on joining Russia is taking place, to be territories? Answer perishing then still on one sacramental question. Do you also consider Crimea their territory?

[private person]

That is, you consider the territories occupied by our troops, on which the referendum on joining Russia is taking place, to be territories?

So you yourself asked and immediately answered: The territories occupied by our troops and until the referendum is held is the territory as a catch. The end of the referendum 27.09.22. The date of joining is not known.

[Sarboz]

Quote: private person

The territories occupied by our troops, and until the referendum is held, this territory is like fishing.

Are you afraid to answer a simple question in front of everyone: "Crimea is ours, or maybe it's also like a catch?"
For the population of Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and Russians, the issue has already been resolved. That's all - Russia. The opinion of our opponents who are fighting with us there, i.e. Ukrainian Nazis and NATO should not worry us. They did not recognize the results of the referendum even before the start of its holding and do not recognize it until the moment of their complete surrender. Whose side are you on?

[private person]

Are you afraid to answer a simple question in front of everyone: "Crimea is ours, or maybe it's also like a catch?"

Yes, calm down, you are our Crimea, ours for 8 years now, yes, in principle, it has always been ours.

[Blooming Sally]

and our territories were also near Kyiv, and around Chernigov, yesterday ours are not ours today, but temporarily, according to your logic? or when ours are standing and when they didn’t bring us out?

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ivan_chai

and our territories were also near Kyiv, and around Chernigov, yesterday ours are not ours today, but temporarily, according to your logic? or when ours are standing and when they didn’t bring us out?

Ivanushka! Just remember the course of the Great Patriotic War and its consequences. Now the Patriotic War is already underway. And we have already called the United States a party to the conflict following the results of the UN General Assembly. So decide for yourself which logic is closer to you, ours or the entire united West ..

[Crimean partisan 1974]

That is, you are the territories occupied by our troops .... well, everything will be decided the day after tomorrow, 27 .. well, you’re in vain with Crimea .. as according to Alexander Sergeyech we have here "Here the Russian spirit here smells of Russia"

[Sarboz]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

That is, you are the territories occupied by our troops .... well, everything will be decided the day after tomorrow, 27 ..

Vladimir, but I didn’t understand at all who you wrote this to:

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

well, you’re in vain with Crimea .. as according to Alexander Sergeyech we have here "Here the Russian spirit here smells of Russia"

For me, these truths are immutable.

[ramzay21]

If at least someone in the RF Ministry of Defense was engaged in the study and implementation of foreign and our combat experience, then we would already have at least a dozen Tu-214Rs, a thousand strike UAVs and even more loitering ammunition and a well-established scheme for suppressing enemy air defense.
And then, with the start of the SVO, the Tu-214R and Su-34 with Kh-58 or Kh-31 missiles would constantly hang over our rears, and the operators of attack UAVs would search for and destroy targets, and in the event of an attack by our UAVs by enemy air defense systems, the Tu-214R would have them detected and issued the Su-34 control center, and a few minutes after turning on the radar of the enemy air defense system, the X-58 and FSE missile would fly into it.

A couple of months of fighting with various options for such schemes and the enemy has neither air defense nor MLRS, tanks, self-propelled guns, artillery, or warehouses in the rear for 100-150 km, but there are suppressed fighters who only want this horror to end quickly.

[Zaurbek]

You can not study, but stupidly look at analogues from NATO countries and their application. They give RC for Ukrainians against us......

[lucul]

They give RC for Ukrainians against us......

Where, in the Donbass or what? )))

[Zaurbek]

Yes, Americans fly around with similar planes .... And they give coordinates. Why do you think Hymars works so well?

[lucul]

Yes, Americans fly around with similar planes ....

Where do they fly? On the territory of Ukraine? )))
Or Romania and Bulgaria?
If on the territory of Ukraine, then they will be visible there on any flight radar.

[Sarboz]

Quote: lucul

Where do they fly? On the territory of Ukraine? )))
Or Romania and Bulgaria?
If on the territory of Ukraine, then they will be visible there on any flight radar.

Over Ukraine, of course, they are afraid. But adversaries fly over the Black Sea. They see both Kherson and the Zaporozhye region from there. And they seem to have the right, but I think it's time to shoot down.

[Sarboz]

Quote: lucul

They give RC for Ukrainians against us......

Where, in the Donbass or what? )))

Quote: Zaurbek

Yes, Americans fly around with similar planes .... And they give coordinates. Why do you think Hymars works so well?

He asked about the Donbass. The AWACS do not reach this theater of operations. Being over the Black Sea, they unfortunately see the Crimea and the Kherson region. Basically, the satellite constellation in Donbass is working.

[Zaurbek]

There was a map somewhere, with view areas of American aircraft ...... There is a very decent overlap ... And the flight radar shows where they are patching. Plus satellites

[svoroponov]

Coordinates are provided by surveillance satellites. Of which there are several among the Americans and NATO countries. In bad weather, it has already been noticed that the effectiveness of these Chimeras decreases sharply. If you notice, then they hit stationary objects, often also beacons, which are installed by accomplices near the objects. Or, with the help of GPS receivers, they specify the coordinates of objects and transfer them to their curators.

[Evgesha]

They give and how they give ints.
Open the flyradar and look.
There, at times, several aircraft flew over Romania, and there was also over Poland, and all these somalets were supported by 4 flying tankers. And the UAV also flew over the Black Sea.
So there is a very solid grouping of NATO aircraft. And their opportunities for obtaining intelligence information are quite wide.
And the whole thing is supported by satellites from space.
So they play against us in a serious way.

[Kuziming]

I'm very sorry, but flyradar, Google, and Wikipedia are not controlled by us. And refer to them somehow not comme il faut.

[Evgesha]

This is public information.
However, they also allow you to understand what is spinning there.
This morning - there was a Rs-135, something at the base of the scorer, it’s not yet clear what is not far from Ishmael, and another UAV over the Black Sea.
Four reconnaissance apparatus "shone through and probed" the territory of Ukraine and the Russian Federation from the western and southern sides.

I'm watching right now
Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk
Lockheed EP-3E Aries II
Bombardier Challenger 650
Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint
Airbus A400M-180
Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker

now such airplanes are flying over Romania over Poland.
Moreover, the UAV flies abeam Sarych for about 120-150 km.

[mmaxx]

So, ours, they sit and look stupidly. Technical intelligence is essentially non-existent.

[Russian]

They are accustomed to the old fashioned way: such wedges, landing in the rear. Well, at least six months later, the UAVs were purchased from Iran. Before that, apparently all the forces went to the reports of Konashenkov, and the idiotic exchanges of prisoners of war.

[Zaurbek]

There are no tank wedges either, as well as a numerical superiority.

[Negruz]

Before that, apparently all the forces went to the reports of Konashenkov, and the idiotic exchanges of prisoners of war.

And why do our soldiers surrender?

[Zaurbek]

Here everyone chooses for himself ..... Who is tozdantmya, and who is not. Traitors do not need to be made of them

[Negruz]

I don't even try...
But if there are prisoners, why be surprised at their exchange?
Jews exchanged 1200 Arabs for one of their corporal ...

[svoroponov]

So the Ukrainians, after the last exchange, declared that they no longer have our prisoners. That is, 55 people and plus about 30 more, who will be transferred a little later, and that's it.

[Alex92]

Yes, there is no money, what's the point, beads in front of pigs ...

[Charik]

do not forget to put on a saucepan when you go to an enemy site, otherwise Putin's propaganda will penetrate into the brain

[Alex92]

What is this even written for?!? Autumn exacerbation in any way ...

[Zaurbek]

There is a new Wagner music video on this topic

[Sarboz]

Quote: ramzay21

If at least someone in the RF Ministry of Defense was engaged in the study and implementation of foreign and our combat experience, then we would already have at least a dozen Tu-214Rs, a thousand strike UAVs and even more loitering ammunition and a well-established scheme for suppressing enemy air defense.

It looks like you are correct in your reasoning. But, if you develop this thought, you can, after all, reach the next one. "If at least someone in the Russian Defense Ministry was engaged in the study and implementation of foreign ... combat experience, then we would already have at least ..." a dozen aircraft carriers, a hundred foreign military bases around the world, etc. But after all, we are in the state in which we are and are forced to confront an enemy that is many times superior to us in the potential of the military-industrial complex. We have been destroying our economy and army for many years, and also fueled the economy of the West.

[Ded60]

Totally agree with you. I am constantly amazed at those who are "sick" here (sorry, the most appropriate definition, in my opinion, like "writers") - "it was necessary, it was necessary like this ....". I would like to ask - have you fallen from the moon, have you forgotten what happened to us recently? Yes, we simply had nothing to eat ("bush legs"), everything collapsed. Remember which army fought in Chechnya, how the soldiers looked, what kind of raid the pilots had. Well, etc. Strategists-economists couch, your mother.

[Prometey]

Quote: Ded60

"it was necessary, it was necessary so ...". I would like to ask - have you fallen from the moon, have you forgotten what happened to us recently?

Then the question is - what the hell is it to start a war with a bare ass? And in general - in 20 years, what has changed? How is the army that fought in Chechnya different from the army that is now in Ukraine?
Yes, absolutely nothing. All the same old Soviet equipment of the 80s and the same equipment. Well, the only thing is that there are more new helicopters. Yes, precision-guided munitions slip through.
And as usual - a severe shortage of personnel, however, as always in all wars - a constant scourge of the Russian army - a war with a numerically superior enemy always and everywhere.

[svoroponov]

There is no combat experience in the West except for punitive operations. The latest experience is the Korean War.
As for the development of drones and their intensive use, this has only recently been developed, from Syria. For everyone - no matter how powerful the country in terms of economy would be, it is not possible to foresee everything in military affairs, even the United States cannot boast that they have succeeded everywhere.
Especially after the collapse of the country's military-industrial complex and economy in the 90s. I had to choose - either a strategic weapon that would protect our country from attack, or saturate the army for conducting local hostilities. We should not forget about the economy and its rise. After all, entire clusters of the same industry remained abroad and they had to be created from scratch. But I see that the main stage of restoration has been passed. There are of course shortcomings and gaps, but in which country they are not. Vaughn, Europe missed the mark with energy, put renewable sources in first place. The result - the economy flies in the ass.

[newtc7]

To do this, it is necessary that at least someone in the RF Ministry of Defense be head over heels in power, and put their personal interests below those of the state.
But everything rotted there, as in all our power. Stupid, mediocre, greedy, lazy people who do not know how and do not want to do anything sit there.
Yes, the last sofa expert understood that satellites, reconnaissance, AWACS aircraft, drones and guided munitions are needed in modern warfare. But our MO operates with the reaction of an 80-year-old alcoholic with Parkinson's.
Thank you for being Iran!
Although it is sad to understand that our country has lagged behind in technology from this great super-technological empire called Iran.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

Yes, and of the two, only one earned where it should. Yes, six months later...

If you are not in the know, this does not mean that something is missing or there are trochs, and tilke for sebe. Everything in this regard is normal for us both in quantity and quality. And they have been working since 2014, and not just yesterday ..

[svoroponov]

They were equipped with equipment to perform the tasks of observation specified by the open skies treaty. Now they have undergone a complete modernization or replacement of electronic equipment with expanded functions. And yet, the Tu-214 R is an aircraft of electronic intelligence in specialization and not AWACS
We have more than one AWACS aircraft. They are on duty as needed. The main task of these boards is to monitor the air situation (aircraft, cruise missiles). The main work we do is performed by ground-based means, of which there are many. For Ukrainians, the main work of observation and reconnaissance is performed by satellite constellations of our potential opponents, as well as AWACS and electronic intelligence aircraft. especially the territory of Russia, their effectiveness is doubtful. What is discovered often practically does not have time to reach the time to make a decision and counteract. Therefore, both sirens and launches of the remnants of air defense missiles occur after our equipment has worked out. To defeat our aircraft, they simply have nothing to respond properly. Well, and even more so for drones and cruise missiles, they go at low altitudes, and their EPR is small. I think their Westerners do not see their AWACS aircraft at all
Therefore, they are more monitoring the areas of the Black Sea in the regions of Odessa and Moldova, Belarus. Well, sometimes they approach the Crimea, but there is a powerful opposition to their flights from the electronic warfare of the Russian armed forces. And another note - the characteristics of this technique in the west are often overestimated. When some samples fall into our hands and study them, they very often do not show the characteristics that were announced for advertising purposes.

[RGB]

I have another question. Why is the detection range 400 km?!

[sergey_taf]

Perhaps this is due to the curvature of the earth's surface?

[Dilettante grandfather]

*sarcasm*: Does the planet have a curvature? She's flat, Terry Pratchett won't let you lie!

[Mikhail Tynda]

AWACS in general 17 (seventeen) A-50 and A-50U.

[faiver]

The question is how many of them are able to rise into the sky?

[UAZ 452]

The question is how many of them are able to rise into the sky?

To participate in the parade? Everything is possible. After all, for this it is absolutely not necessary that at least some equipment works on it, therefore it does not work. If it has not been handed over to the non-ferrous metal for a long time.

[Sarboz]

Quote: faiver

The question is how many of them are able to rise into the sky?

You ask this question to those who live near the base airfield. Both AWACS and military transport take off and land one after another. Our airfields have been buzzing since the beginning of the NWO without lunch breaks. Yes, and before the start of the AWACS special operation, ours flew constantly.

[ramzay21]

AWACS in general 17 (seventeen) A-50 and A-50U

It's on paper. And in real life 5 A-50-U on the technologies of the 90s and with foreign components.
A-50 with lamp equipment from the 80s is long and hopelessly outdated

[Mikhail Tynda]

It’s inappropriate to sing, the A 50 complex was originally created on semiconductors, the A-50U was created in the 2000s: what are the 90s? I will not say about foreign components: I am not familiar with circuit solutions and element base.

[ramzay21]

This is how the operator's workplace on the A-50 looks like

And this is how the operator’s seat on the A-50U looks like with equipment based on processors from the American company Intel from the 90s

[Mikhail Tynda]

Do not confuse, young man, radio tubes and cathode ray tubes. For example, the TV set "Sadko" or "Trinitron-black" is made on semiconductors and microcircuits, but a cathode-ray tube is used as a display device. The A-50U already has LCD displays, but ... attention to the question! Where did the data about the CPU of the 90s come from in the development technology of the mid-zero? And why "Intel"? Why not AMD? Where is the awareness?

[stankow]

In general, it is important what kind of DSP (digital signal processor) is there, the CPU is the second thing ...

[ramzay21]

I had a Horizontal tube TV and also had a cathode ray tube, in the common people a kinescope, and this part was no different from those TVs that you mentioned.
And if you don’t know, then the lamps were actively used in analog electronic equipment and therefore the equipment on the A-50 weighs 20 tons and has such huge dimensions that even a normal toilet did not fit in the A-50. Learn the materiel, dear.

Where did the data about the CPU of the 90s come from in the development technology of the mid-zero?

This finished aircraft flew in the middle of the 90s, and its development began in the late 90s, which is why it was set what was provided for by the project of the late XNUMXs, plus huge savings and not the most modern foreign processors available to us.

And why "Intel"?

Ask the developers about it.

[AVM-55]

Something SURN reminds of the 70s.

[sniperino]

Quote: ramzay21

This is how the operator's workplace on the A-50 looks like

And inside such diodes?

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: sniperino

And inside such diodes?

Inside many powerful and modern transmitters and even scientific installations are radio tubes. Because it is vacuum tubes that are optimal for such work, and it is still impossible to reproduce their characteristics on semiconductors - that's why they are produced. Moreover, their production is incommensurable in complexity with microelectronic. Even in everyday life, radio tubes are still used and right now (not on TVs). The kitchen microwave magnetron is a high power electronic lamp

[sniperino]

Quote: ycuce234-san

Inside many powerful and modern transmitters and even scientific installations are radio tubes.

I know. A friend collects custom tube amplifiers for musicians.

[Nuka]

I know. A friend collects custom tube amplifiers for musicians.

Allow me to doubt that you know ...
UMLF, which you like to sculpt on triodes, at least for 174 series, and a powerful microwave radar generator, which is built around the world on EVP, to compare ... well, it's like a dispute, which is better, red or hot.
sorry, couldn't resist...

[sniperino]

Quote: Nuka

Allow me to doubt that you know ...

I am more familiar with microwave radars - at the level of using alcohol to wipe microwave chips during military service in cockpit "A" on the S-75. I know about UMLF from the words of the "victim", which I cannot help but believe until the opposite is proven: the sound on UMLF comes out cleaner through the EVP. And you can sculpt different things.

[Nuka]

Quote: sniperino

I am more familiar with microwave radars - at the level of using alcohol to wipe microwave chips during military service in cockpit "A" on the S-75.

Did your RTB serve the P-18, or did you still find the P-12?

[sniperino]

Quote: Nuka

Did your RTB serve the P-18, or did you still find the P-12?

Tricky question. I served as a private, so I didn’t go into such subtleties. My task with the howl of a siren was: to run to the station, in cold weather, connect the stove to 6 kW and not sleep through the fire in the cabin, if it happens, run out of the caponier in time; the rest worked automatically. Yes, a couple of times I stuck the wings to the rocket, imbued with the hardships of the soldiers from the starting battery. He even drank alcohol for other purposes. The creak of door hinges in the dining room was like the beginning of a siren, and we often twitched to run from the table. This is better remembered.
After a short digging on the Internet, I came to the conclusion that it was probably the S-75M Volkhov, judging by the presence of three missiles with a special warhead in the warehouse. That is, P-18.

[next322]

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why on

Comrade Shoigu will not answer this question for you ..... this aircraft does not participate in tank biathlons and does not fly in St. Petersburg at the main naval parade ..... they simply forgot about its existence

[your1970]

Quote: FoBoss_V

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why is there only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the drill is generally ONE !! The numbers are just horrendous.

Like in the USSR with scouts everything was a bunch? The same garbage as now - one and a half aircraft for the entire USSR SA ..

[Galleon]

Quote: your1970

ipa in the USSR with scouts was everything a bundle?

Dozens flew regularly. Both AWACS and RTR. I myself saw flying A-50s in the Northern Fleet when I was there in the 1980s.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So for the parades, it was enough. Shaw you are so small.

[musketon64]

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why is there only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the drill is generally ONE !! The numbers are just horrendous.

These two aircraft were built for testing and evaluation by the military before a decision to enter service and mass production. It seems that the aircraft itself did not suit the customers in terms of the time spent in the air, inefficiency, and so on. And since our "effective managers" deal with cutting the allocated "dough" slowly between show exhibitions, this is the result of unpreparedness for the impending SVO.

[Zefr]

Well, that is, the Moscow Region does not have such aircraft at all. None. Neither economical nor costly. But this one doesn't suit them?

[RED_ICE]

It is better to ask this question to Ivanov and Serdyukov

[Sebostyuan]

Ivanov is here, I think it has nothing to do with it. I'm not a fan of the VVP team members though. But as far as I remember (I served a term under Ivanov), the first sets of T-90 and BMP-3 began to arrive under him. Ho, I think this is primarily not his merit, but the head of the General Staff Yu. Baluyevsky.

[Volzhanin64]

Under what Ivanov did BMP-3s begin to arrive?
I served under the USSR in 87-89. Already in 89, we had one or two BMP-3s in the park.

[wladimirjankov]

Ivanov is exactly what to do with it. It was under him that nothing was done on the development, development and production of UAVs. And our AWACS A-100 was designed on imported components. Therefore, now, after 20 years, it is still not in production. We are engaged in alteration of the project on our components.

[Geosun]

Do you propose to buy them from NATO? Even taking a loan, you will not be able to buy or produce everything that is needed instantly. AWACS is needed, SU-57 is needed, T14 is needed, ships, helicopters, communications, drones, uniforms. EVERYTHING is needed. And Comrade Shoigu could only prioritize. It is only in a fairy tale that everything appears by the wave of a magic wand.

[Stas157]

Quote: Geosun

Even taking a loan, you will not be able to buy or produce everything that is needed instantly. AWACS is needed, SU-57 is needed, T14 is needed, ships, helicopters, communications, drones, uniforms. EVERYTHING is needed

What are you! Didn't you hear what Shoigu told us?

. The equipment of the Russian army with modern weapons exceeds 70%, which is the highest rate in the world, said the head of the military department of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu.

[DenVB]

Quote: Geosun

And Comrade Shoigu could only prioritize.

Therefore, he prioritized in a peculiar way - he invested in real estate.

[wladimirjankov]

everything is needed. But what are they made from? We do not have our own electronic database and it is not known when it will appear. And without it, you can’t assemble anything modern, neither AWACS, nor SU-57, T14, nor satellites
and other means of communication, drones and more.

[ilya.muromczev2013]

And what does Shoigu have to do with it ???... Even the USSR did not have enough money for everything. That's why it fell apart...
As for the Tu-214, besides them there is the Il-20, satellites, reconnaissance, and something else ...

[Ricochet]

Quote: ilya.muromczev2013

And what does Shoigu have to do with it ???... Even the USSR did not have enough money for everything. That's why it fell apart...
As for the Tu-214, besides them there is the Il-20, satellites, reconnaissance, and something else ...

Well, yes, that's why they gave 300 ml. greenery over the hill.

[ilya.muromczev2013]

No one gave anything - no one asked us. Don’t you want to say that if the Communists were in power, they wouldn’t give these 300 billion? :) They gave the GDR to the Nazis, brought the country to empty shelves, coupons even for beets and potatoes, and then they pissed off the country in general .. Now we live within our means and according to our abilities

[Blooming Sally]

what they gave away is okay tax, so to speak, you look how much you have now withdrawn over the past six months !! and how many more will be released. The moratorium has been lifted, I don’t want to take it out.

[Turtle]

Quote: Rikochet

Well, yes, that's why they gave 300 ml. greenery over the hill.

In fairness, this is a question for Antoshka Siluanov - he is a specialist in financial, fuck him, terrorism.

[Shaman]

So maybe personally and contact Shoigu at the meeting, otherwise you only spoil the air.

[Volzhanin64]

I would talk personally, but only who will provide such an opportunity to communicate with the Hero of Russia, who has been named. Many questions have accumulated for him, including on partial mobilization

[lucul]

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why is there only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

So here you need to read all the disarmament treaties (a la START-3), it is quite possible that the Americans have imposed a limit on the number of reconnaissance aircraft.

[LeftPers]

But there is an aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuzetsov"
...one

[Brother]

Possible answer: Ah ... you know you need to build! And how much did the plot of land itself and the houses on it cost, the estate of the Minister of Defense, plus, the daughter needs to be built ....
Again .... everything is getting more expensive. For old age, a penny should be set aside.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do you prefer the option when the elite acquires mansions in London and the Mediterranean? Feelings about social injustice may exist, but not at the moment.

[Trapp1st]

Do you prefer the option when the elite acquires mansions in London

No, a preferable option for corrupt officials, especially for those because of whose greed the color of the nation is dying, this is a country in the homeland, exactly in size.

[Brother]

Strong!
... like today, if we say a corrupt official and suddenly in uniform, part-time "defender of the fatherland" .... no way. Or, let's say, the granddaughter of the head of the National Guard stopped ... due to problems for the Russians .. to live in London, but did not get rid of real estate ... already an achievement?
Yes Orwell ... rest т

[runway-1]

You are right, Mr. "guardian" outdid himself ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And the "bulk" once again noted and, apparently, found a response here.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And who do you call you call a corrupt official? And whose granddaughter is worried? Speak up, fighter for social justice. I do not like idle talk, I like facts and without references to Orwell.

[Akuzenka]

Do you prefer the option when the elite acquires mansions in London and the Mediterranean? Feelings about social injustice may exist, but not at the moment.

And that, until recently, she did not acquire real estate in London and did not keep money there?

[Shaman]

The same topic as with Alyosha anal and Putin's mansion, how you collect gossip at the entrance, are you serious?

[Flooding]

Quote: FoBoss_V

And the drill is generally ONE !!

A-50U are not taken into account?
Are they not the correct AWACS?
In the meantime, several of them have already been installed.

[Fitter65]

Quote: FoBoss_V

And the drill is generally ONE !! The numbers are just horrendous.

There are two of them. In the Russian Air Force, two types of AWACS and U aircraft are in service -3 A-50 and 6 A-50U as of 2022.

[Flooding]

Quote: Fitter65

There are two of them. In the Russian Air Force, two types of AWACS and U aircraft are in service -3 A-50 and 6 A-50U as of 2022.

The citizen most likely meant that the Air Force was armed with 1 (one) side.
Because before that he wrote about 2 (two) Tu-214R.
Perhaps he meant the A-100 Premier.
Which, in theory, should be in a single instance so far

The sixth A-50U was delivered in 2017 or 2018.
It is likely that there are more now. We upgraded about one aircraft a year, if I'm not mistaken.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Flood

The citizen most likely meant that the Air Force was armed with 1 (one) side.
Because before that he wrote about 2 (two) Tu-214R.

Well, here it also turns out to be interesting, 2-Tu-214R (reconnaissance) and 4 Tu-214SR (relay aircraft), which until recently had the designation Tu-214R (relay).

[Flooding]

Quote: Fitter65

Well, here it also turns out interesting, 2-Tu-214R (reconnaissance) and 4 Tu-214SR (relay aircraft) which until recently had the designation Tu-214R (relay)

Thank you for the information.

[1Alexey]

Quote: FoBoss_V

And the drill is generally ONE !!

Where does such infa come from that we have only one AWACS aircraft?
In fact, there are many more!

There is different information about this on the Internet.

According to Wikipedia, there are 9 of them: 3 units. - A-50 and 6 units. - A-50U.

According to other sources - 26 aircraft: "In total, the Russian Air Force is armed with 26 A-50s, all of them are based at the 2457th air base in Ivanovo. By 2017, four A-50s were upgraded into the A-50U variant with the installation of the Shmel- M."
Source: https://pikabu.ru/story/kratkaya_biografiya_zhivogo_samoleta_drlo_a50_yeksperementalnyiy_post_6015299

[iouris]

Quote: FoBoss_V

why is there only TWO (!!!) such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the drill is generally ONE !!

As in that joke about the turtle that was sent for vodka (three hours later, as they sent): "If you ... (swear), I won't go at all!"

[Monster_Fat]

Why "there are only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? Is there only ONE drill?" How much do you need for parades? Just right for flying over the festive stands ....

[Volzhanin64]

The answer is simple, since there is an urgent need for comfortable business class + aircraft for flights by the leaders of the Defense Ministry and the General Staff to various meetings in the framework of bilateral negotiations and visits to exercises, etc. there is simply not enough money for reconnaissance aircraft and AWACS

[Dmitry K]

Tank biathlon. Buildings. The army is engaged in the construction of civilian objects.

[NG inform]

There is such a thing - the budget is called.
Do you pay a lot of taxes?

[flicker]

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why is there only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the drill is generally ONE !!

And why is the "Sarmat" still not in service?
Maybe because these products are technically quite complex, requiring a huge number of components that are not produced in Russia?
Who is responsible for import substitution?
Also Shoigu?

Or is it better to ask the government?

[Pilot]

So much +. I wanted to do the same but changed my mind. If the person can't match 2+2, what's + for him? And for the like. It is impossible to embrace the immensity. And build aircraft carriers, make armature, rivet 57, packs of calibers. And about .. and everything else ... etc. And the country just came to its senses from the Gorbachev-Yeltsins. Only Berezovsky with the Abramovichs, like dandruff shook off. But tipchiki with couch medals and stars are trying to rot the country. No, I will not put +. As long as I keep silent.

[wladimirjankov]

sorry, it's been years. Look at China what he has done during this time. From a country where even simple needles were bought from us and where people were starving, they turned into a developed power, from which we now buy almost everything for our natural resources.

[barbos]

Can I be a lawyer? As far as I understand, before the appointment of Sergei Kazhudedovich, there were several MOs before him. And man rakes what we're dealing with. How many of us have developed such transports among civilian or military aircraft? Remind me how long it takes to design such a board from scratch? I remind you that the figure starts with a decade. Approximately the same amount of time is developed and introduced into production a new drug.
Dealt with the carrier. I had to take from what was and sculpt what is not. This is not just a former passenger plane, from which seats and places for hand luggage were pulled out? It's also electronic filling. Often specific and programs for it. What have we been doing with the production of electronics all this time? Again Shoigu is to blame for not following the electronics?
Now to the terrifying numbers for real. I remember that in the late nineties and early XNUMXs, some vacancies indicated "only not for MAI students." I didn't keep the newspaper clippings, but I had fun. Who and how to develop a new board in such conditions? This is more a question for another MO (Ministry of Education).
There is another side that is forgotten. Even now there are occasional comments and sometimes articles. That drones are not needed and everything stuffed with electronics will collapse. Who will give a guarantee that on the sidelines of the Moscow Region, all sorts of advisers did not prove the futility of all this until they were blue in the face? How many opinions and debates last year about all this electronically stuffed flying rigmarole on this site? Here the war really showed the real plan of battles.

[Sergei Kazarin]

What is he raking? Everything modern in the army, starting with drones from the time of Serdyukov, has been living on this legacy of Shoigu for 10 years

[Prometey]

Quote: Sergey Kazarin

What is he raking? Everything modern in the army, starting with drones from the time of Serdyukov, has been living on this legacy of Shoigu for 10 years

Right. For 10 years, it was possible to rivet 1500 drones, even if they were based on imported components. But not the right topic for MO - there are few kickbacks from them.
It was possible, at least for the experiment, to produce a battalion of "Terminators", but it is easier to discuss the need for this vehicle (for tank biathlons, apparently). And our soldiers are again covered by cardboard BMDs. You can not talk about the T-14 and so on. The main thing for our MO is to produce an experimental model that has no analogues. And there let him quietly stand in the barn for decades. And you can fight without problems on the T-55 (no problem for officials of the Ministry of Defense, of course, and not for our soldiers).

[barbos]

If here, on this site, there is a powerful stronghold of opponents of drones, BMPTs and network-centric approaches in the conduct of hostilities. As far as I remember, Ogarkov promoted it in his doctrine. What can we say about saunas on the sidelines of Moscow Region?

[wladimirjankov]

of course, if there is neither military education nor knowledge, and therefore one has to listen to advisers and rely on them. And advisers may not always be competent and not engaged. SVO proved it once again. At this level, a person must have his own opinion and knowledge in order to make the right decision.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: marchcat

How harshly he treated the ambassador.

The process has begun.
Let him disperse everyone up to the striped ones.

[NDR-791]

Zelensky accused Iran of providing military assistance to Russia and withdrew the "accreditation" of the country's ambassador in Kyiv.

So maybe we have these Germans, Psheks, arrogant people, etc. that ... drive out?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: NDR-791

So maybe we have these Germans, Psheks, arrogant people, etc. that ... drive out?

Naglov and Pshekov - yes, definitely.
It is better to wait a little with the Germans - driving a wedge will not hurt.

[NDR-791]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

It's better to wait with the Germans

And the truth is, I got excited about something. Liverukha will be shoved off, maybe we’ll make friends at least a little, then the rest will sharply get sick

[Akuzenka]

Liverukha will be shoved off, maybe we’ll make friends at least a little, then the rest will sharply get sick

What does "liver sausage" have to do with it? He does what he is ordered to do. Do you really think that occupied Germany has at least a modicum of independence in foreign policy?

[pharmacist]

Well? For what specific purpose is the aircraft used? The fact that for reconnaissance, and not for a charter to Turkey, is a no-brainer.

[Quote Lavrov]

The title of the article kept the entire article intriguing .... why can a reconnaissance aircraft be used !!!?
And when I was already almost sure that he was sneaking up to the enemy’s advanced formations on the chassis, the denouement came (((

[faiver]

for pollination of fields from the Colorac beetle, probably ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

And this is at the end of September? Yes, Shoigu received the hero obviously not for agronomic achievements!

[faiver]

And this is at the end of September?

- according to the latest decision of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions

[Dikson]

.. and the Presidium of the Supreme Council?! From Moscow itself?!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Pharmacist

Well? For what specific purpose is the aircraft used? The fact that for reconnaissance, and not for a charter to Turkey, is a no-brainer.

It's not about specifics, it's about the number of bukaf for which the author receives a fee.

[sniperino]

Quote from Pharmacist

Well? For what specific purpose is the aircraft used?

See Operation West Master Plan on page 4.

[Leshak]

Assumptions were made as to the specific purpose for which Russia used the Tu-214R aircraft in Ukraine

Oh, how ... Isn't a reconnaissance aircraft used for the purpose of reconnaissance? So many letters about the obvious...

[UAZ 452]

For reconnaissance, or for imitation of such, if the equipment of this reconnaissance aircraft does not at all correspond to the declared characteristics and is not capable of actually performing the assigned tasks. In this case, the operators, as they say, will look into the book (at the screens) and see the figure. It is clear that the imitation is intended mainly for the domestic consumer - to calm public opinion, which every day believes less and less in the existence of "unparalleled" weapons in reality.

[lucul]

It is clear that the imitation is intended mainly for the domestic consumer - to calm public opinion, which every day believes less and less in the existence of "unparalleled" weapons in reality.

What is it? NATO is already standing near Moscow, "whatever?" Or have I already missed something?

if the equipment of this scout does not at all meet the declared characteristics and is not capable of actually fulfilling the assigned tasks.

What is your assertion based on?

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: UAZ 452

or to imitate one, if the equipment of this reconnaissance does not meet the declared characteristics at all

And what are you, serving on it, were you in production?

[Kurganets-45]

the words "understandable" (as well as everyone in the world knows, obviously for everyone, etc., etc.) betray you as a manipulator.
The assumptions in your first sentence are not supported by anything, and the subsequent ones follow from the false.
You are a manipulator.

[IVZ]

Interesting car. Judging by the configuration and location of the radomes of the antenna devices, it seems like a radio and electronic intelligence aircraft + instrumental reconnaissance from a side or all-round radar. First time I see. If anyone has details available, please share.
Although I found it myself. http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/tu214r.html

[Quote Lavrov]

VO also has several articles on this topic. You can find it through search.

[GREG68]

They applied .... Yes, since the beginning of the year he had to hang there almost around the clock! Well, we have one and a half planes like that. And IL-20? The plane is certainly not new, but something else can and there are a sufficient number of them on the wing, more than 30 pieces! But there was no information about their use! And similar NATO planes hang around the clock along the borders of Ukraine!

[UAZ 452]

Such an aircraft not only has to be "on the wing", with really working equipment, with operators trained to work with it, but it must also be built into the system - have reliable communication, the ability to transmit target designations in real time. Well, the command, primarily aviation and artillery, should be able to work with such a tool. Most likely, something from this chain of factors (and maybe all) was not and is not.

[wladimirjankov]

we don't have a lot. and judging by the 8-month-long implementation of the NWO, a competent command.

[Stas157]

Quote: GREG68

They applied .... Yes, since the beginning of the year he had to hang there almost around the clock!

Nothing like this! You don't put the president's words into anything, do you? Or have you not heard his message that we have not yet begun to fight in earnest?

[tralflot1832]

As if we had no idea that we were somehow checking information from the ground about targets in the depths of Ukraine. We are waiting for satellites.

[DWG1905]

Quote from RVA

I have another question. Why is the detection range 400 km?

R = 400 km is the radio horizon, according to rumors, the earth is round, there will probably be more on Jupiter.

[rocket757]

The reconnaissance aircraft identifies such important targets as command posts, radar stations, communication centers, etc. and promptly transmits this data to command posts for strike

. EFFICIENCY and EFFICIENCY, this is the most important thing ... on the other hand, they have serious help, in terms of intelligence, from helpers / hosts.

[ximkim]

If we had, for the most part, not begun to get power in 91, then these two aircraft would not have been born.

[opposite28]

A qualitative approach to solving Ukrainian problems raises the level of technology used in the NWO. Just one flight of the T-214R close to the enemy, and Kyiv is already hysterical. Such birds do not fly near the front line in vain. This is zhzhzhzhzhzh for a reason.

[Nikolaevich I]

Assumptions were made as to the specific purpose for which Russia used the Tu-214R aircraft in Ukraine
A storehouse of "mind" and "wit" in this phrase! Why is there a reconnaissance aircraft in the war? The phrase can not be "worse": Why did you shoot the victim with a pistol 8 times? Why ... for what purpose ... and Vysotsky simply said: "So what's the trouble? They wanted to eat and ... ate Cook!

[sniperino]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Vysotsky simply said: "So what's the trouble? They wanted to eat and ... ate Cook

Vysotsky did not say this:

It seems to me a very simple thing:
They wanted to eat - and they ate Cook!

Although, the unhealthy interest of some forum participants in specific intelligence goals is closer to dokuka ("persistent, intensified request, annoyance").

[Sinner]

But what, only this aircraft is capable of detecting enemy radars?

[Galleon]

Quote: Sinner

But what, only this aircraft is capable of detecting enemy radars?

Detect - to receive a radar signal and understand that you are seen - not only, but to determine their location - only he. Several bearings to the radiation source.

[stankow]

If you receive a radar signal, then this does not mean that she can see you!

[Galleon]

Of course! However, you need to look at other parameters: signal level, bearing change rate, etc. - what parameters your equipment allows you to determine. But this is not worth it on fighter-bombers, and there is no time for them to do this, and they do not have such antennas. It's easier for them to know - I'm in the radar coverage area, especially firing radars. They have this indication. But you can’t find the radar itself on it.

[Sinner]

But what if you do not determine the location, but simply send a rocket on this signal?

[Galleon]

Harm flies 100-120 km, but the effective range is less - 70-90. And if you received a radar signal, which is 180 km away from you? If you need to work smart with a sword and a spear, then you need to work smarter with smart weapons, right?

[Sinner]

Of course. But it is also necessary to destroy enemy radars. And, given that aviation is not being finalized precisely because of enemy air defense, it is simply necessary.

[Galleon]

Read how the Americans in 1986 gouged the air defense of Tripoli and Benghazi. - an example of military cunning and the use of Harms.

[Vovanych007]

The campaign went to identify targets for a massive strike, in the event of an attack on the annexed Donbass, after a referendum. Since it will already be the territory of the Russian Federation.

[Zaurbek]

Yes, it just came ....... Especially if you look at our losses in LA since February 25

[Zaurbek]

Not even a year has passed NVO ........ A bunch of Tu204/214 is standing ... As well as fresh relatively yak42, tu154 .... You need 20 such aircraft to fly around the territory of 404 .... and give Control center for aviation and OTRK

[fiv]

I thought there would be more article about Tu-214. He was prepared to work under the Open Skies program, and at the request of the amers, he was deprived of part of the reconnaissance functionality. I would like to know if all the equipment was returned to him? The article is not finished, we are waiting for the continuation. And the news is great.

[-Paul-]

Do not confuse Tu-214R and Tu-214ON. They have different tasks and opportunities.

[Zaurbek]

I want to remind you that the Russian Federation still has 2 pieces of the latest Tu214ON ..... With modern devices

[fiv]

Ah, well, the version of OH was just subjected to "castration", in my opinion

[Zaurbek]

He's not bad there, the radar is worse, but the optics are cool

[fiv]

Thanks for the clarification, dear colleague!

[alebdun2000]

They got excited, "why 2 planes and not 22 ..etc." You give money for their construction, how much do you know? But Shoigu needs to introduce so many other weapons and different things, and all this costs money ... and the military-industrial complex is not given the same billions as the Americans, there are few of them. Well, if you ask for more, then there won’t be enough for the roads, for lace panties and boots for you whiners. You will be the first to start bawling "everything is spent only on the army, but they forgot about Snickers." You won't please you, the Russians are always whining. Americans are always proud of their own, although they know about corruption and plunder in the Pentagon

[musketon64]

Quote: alebdun2000

They got excited, "why 2 planes and not 22 ..etc." You give money for their construction, how much do you know? But Shoigu needs to introduce so many other weapons and different things, and all this costs money ... and the military-industrial complex is not given the same billions as the Americans, there are few of them

And how much money was spent on the Winter Olympics in Sochi and the World Cup? There were more than 600 billion dollars in gold and foreign exchange reserves.
Once again, it's not a lack of money. There was money, but they spent it on the whole #... nude. But the really important things were not found. And those that were singled out were just as effectively sawn and stuffed into pockets. What can I say --- the salary of a skilled worker at such enterprises is often less than that of an Uzbek cleaner in a Moscow office.

[lucul]

Once again, it's not a lack of money.

The point is precisely the lack of money for R&D of semiconductors.
After all, the same amers will need $ 1.5 trillion to restore their semiconductor industry, I note this only for restoration, and not for creating from scratch, it will take even more money. And these are only semiconductors, and R&D is also required in other industries - machine tool building, motor building and others.
In addition, it is not enough to create them - it is important that they pay for themselves economically (a la Samsung), otherwise every 5 years you will always spend hundreds of billions of dollars simply on modernization.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: lucul

In addition, it is not enough to create them - it is important that they pay for themselves economically (a la Samsung)

Then the Americans will not confine themselves to the conflict with China, but will try to take over the entire global electronic market and the global motor and aircraft industry (and there are many small regional players, not only Asian ones). Although it will be closer to the 50s. Surely Airbus, Vartsila, South Korean shipbuilding, for example, will finish off.

[musketon64]

In general, we are talking about the construction of aircraft with flight characteristics that do not suit the military, and not about the RTR stations installed on them. The fact that in our element base we mainly use an imported component base is no secret to anyone. Yes, for the same Americans, the share of imported Chinese components in their products is no less.

Quote: lucul

After all, the same amers will need $ 1.5 trillion to restore their semiconductor industry, I note this only for restoration, and not for creating from scratch, it will take even more money.

American corporations have even higher appetites than ours. With their order of prices and costs for everything and everything. The comparison is not entirely correct.

Quote: lucul

In addition, it is not enough to create them - it is important that they pay for themselves economically (a la Samsung), otherwise every 5 years you will always spend hundreds of billions of dollars just for modernization

There are times when someone has to work at a loss, but receive reimbursement of costs when redistributing funds from other sources. For example, in the same EU, 40% of their consolidated budget goes to subsidies to agriculture. And here the defense of the country is at stake. But if we are already talking about semiconductors, then today they are used in almost all sectors of the national economy, and some part of the investment will still pay off.

[Negruz]

And how much money was spent on the Winter Olympics in Sochi and the World Cup?

How many?

[musketon64]

Quote: Negruz

How many?

So many:

In 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that he plans to spend about $2014 billion on the preparation of the Sochi Winter Olympics in 12. Upon completion of construction, the amount of funds spent exceeded the planned amount by about four times and is calculated, if converted into Russian currency, 1,5 trillion rubles .
Such a thirteen-digit final figure was a record in the history of the Olympic Games. Is it any wonder that Russia needs to be the first in everything.

At the World Cup:

683 billion rubles. This amount cost Russia the World Cup.
The amount, I must say, is not small, but to put it bluntly, it is simply huge.

You might have found it yourself.

[Negruz]

On defense in one year Russia spends more...
For example, in 2021 alone, $66 billion, or more than 4,5 trillion rubles, was spent...
We have "behind" - 15 years (since the first expenses for the Olympic Games)
Nothing impressive at all...

Still trying to "throw"?

[musketon64]

Quote: Negruz

Russia spends more on defense in one year ....
For example, in 2021 alone, $66 billion, or more than 4,5 trillion rubles, was spent...

Well, yes, almost 60 billion dollars were spent on these two actions alone - nothing at all ..... And this is almost the budget of the Moscow Region for the year. And then some here claim that Russia does not have money for AWACS and RTR aircraft. There is money --- but you hold on ....

Quote: Negruz

Still trying to "throw"?

I won’t talk about such “penny” that are spent on the stupid “tank biathlon”. But what amounts went to the office of Tolya Chubais, look for yourself. But I also think it's big. Where is the result? Where are the "Rosnanochips" so needed by the defense industry?
Once again, we have had a lot of money for the construction of the now idle and costly sports infrastructure. But over the years, they did not deign to build factories of UAVs and drones that are so needed now at the front - kamikaze. We now buy copters in China, and drones in "backward" Iran - which is ahead of our country in this segment. While our rulers were engaged in sawing the dough on unprofitable image projects.

Quote: Negruz

Nothing impressive at all...

$60 billion is about 10% of the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation before the introduction of comprehensive sanctions by the West against our country, after which they halved. 300 lard "down the drain" - you probably are not impressed either.

[Negruz]

Once again - we have slammed money for the construction of now idle and costly sports infrastructure

Nothing like this....

With this money, the Soviet barn in Adler, which was thoughtlessly called the "airport", was rebuilt "to zero" ...

With this money, a new railway station was also built in Adler ...

With this money, a railway tunnel was pierced in the mountain range from the coast to Krasnaya Polyana, thanks to which the ski resort became accessible to everyone ...

As a result, TENS OF MILLIONS of Russians use this infrastructure every year...

Also, for example, for the World Cup matches in St. Petersburg and Nizhny, new sections with metro stations were built, which these cities have been waiting for decades ....
MILLIONS of citizens now use them every year...

Is that all you are capable of?
To curse 1/15 of the budget of the Russian Ministry of Defense over the years?

[musketon64]

And what, without the organization of these sporting events, all these objects listed by you were not allowed to be built by religion?
But this is not about transport infrastructure, but about "expensive sports facilities" (read carefully) for the construction of which colossal funds were spent, and now also for their maintenance. Which the people nicknamed, none other than the so-called "White Elephants". I'm not going to talk about all sorts of shows - events and other organizational costs.

Quote: Negruz

Is that all you are capable of?
To curse 1/15 of the budget of the Russian Ministry of Defense over the years?

I do not criticize the budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but those figures who cannot manage the allocated money. When now the front line troops lack normal domestic radio stations, collimator sights, reconnaissance equipment and other necessary ammunition. Go to the websites of our volunteer bloggers, where they collect money and publish lists of purchased "sporting goods". At a time when our Defense Ministry in the person of Shoigu arranges tank rides with shooting.
If you wish, you can send money here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmcLuYHDXPE&t=59s

[Negruz]

And what, without the organization of these sporting events, all these objects listed by you were not allowed to be built by religion

What's the difference?

You lie that the money went to sports facilities that no one needs now and are idle...

Would you build infrastructure just like that? May be...

But, firstly, this money would not have got to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation anyway ...
Secondly, the cost of these sporting events would be greatly reduced, and you would not be able to "wind around" here ...

But you are not talking about sporting events, not about the metro, and not even about defense spending ...
You are talking about "throwing", about "winding up" ...

Sheim he yu!!

[musketon64]

Quote: Negruz

You are lying that the money went to sports facilities that no one needs now and are idle ...

This is not my "lie", but a well-known fact that these facilities were not needed in principle, because our country has much more priority tasks. INCLUDING in the defense industry. And there are many, many more...

But, firstly, this money would not have got to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation anyway ...

Are you "wanting" here or do you have some kind of insider in such matters? Money should go where it is needed most, and not where some of the inhabitants of the "Kremlin towers" decided to blog and lobbied for their selfish interests with the support of the Supreme Rulers, who seized on this idea to raise their rating. The hand washes the hand - as the people say.

But you are not talking about sporting events, not about the metro, and not even about defense spending ...
You are talking about "throwing", about "winding up" ...

I'm talking about unbuilt aircraft, unbuilt military factories, about the purchase of equipment necessary for the army in COMMERCIAL quantities, and not experimental samples that have been developed and cannot be put into service for decades. Yes, a lot more. And much of the money that was spent on these worthless shows amid other unresolved problems is simply thrown away. Roads are needed - needed, subways are needed - needed. And what is more needed --- a huge sports complex, which is now 10% involved, or a plant for the production of UAVs for various purposes? I think it's a factory. But it will not reach you in any way, because you think differently --- Sports show is cool !! And the planes will wait ...
It's just people like you and people like you who constantly throw in the idea that the metro and air terminals could not be built without the Olympic Games and the World Cup. Well, no way .... Like some kind of appendages with sports arenas. Ah.

[Negruz]

This is not my "lie", but a well-known fact that these facilities were not needed in principle, because our country has much more priority tasks. INCLUDING in the defense industry. And many, many more

Your prioritization is your personal "taste", nothing more ...

Leonid Ilyich, too, could not buy wheat abroad with scarce currency, but use this money to finance the purchase of a foreign airspace control system for Sheremetyevo in preparation for the Olympics in Moscow ....
Or "just like that" to build a new Sheremetyevo terminal, or a road to Zagorsk, so that tourists can look at the Lavra, without the Olympics ...
Or do none of this at all in the conditions of the outbreak of the Afghan war, but direct the saved funds to the army ...

But it was done the way it was done...

As for the sports facilities themselves, the football club plays in Sochi and no one complained about the stadium ..
The hockey club plays in the "puck" - and everyone is happy too ...
Skaters do not get out of the Sochi "iceberg" ....

[musketon64]

Quote: Negruz

Your prioritization is your personal "taste", nothing more ...

Well, yes. I wrote just like that - for people like you, it’s more important to watch sports shows from your favorite couch to the “beer”, while our soldiers and fighters of the LDNR are experiencing a shortage of the most necessary on the front line. You and I have different priorities. It is obvious.
About "taste" it is better to talk with your same friends, lovers of "foamy" for a football match. Or whoever you prefer.

Leonid Ilyich, too, could not buy wheat abroad with scarce currency, but use this money to finance the purchase of a foreign airspace control system for Sheremetyevo in preparation for the Olympics in Moscow ....
Or "just like that" to build a new Sheremetyevo terminal, or a road to Zagorsk, so that tourists can look at the Lavra, without the Olympics ...
Or do none of this at all in the conditions of the outbreak of the Afghan war, but direct the saved funds to the army ...

In the late USSR, the elite degraded at the same rate, which ultimately led to the collapse of the Union. Now moderates, but liberals, are participating in the government of the country. with your own paradigm. With the continuing degradation of industry and science. I myself work in production and see the trend from the inside ..... Yes, and in other areas it is not better.

Quote: Negruz

As for the sports facilities themselves, the football club plays in Sochi and no one complained about the stadium ..
The hockey club plays in the "puck" - and everyone is happy too ...
Skaters do not get out of the Sochi "iceberg" ....

Did they have nowhere to work before? And the fact that they are engaged and everyone is happy, I am "happy" for them. The problem is that the maintenance of these complexes for the sake of the ambitions of athletes cost a pretty penny. We need to live more modestly in our difficult times. As for football, Russia is not a football country. 7 (seven) % of Russian citizens are interested in this sport. And empty brand new huge stadiums during matches are a common occurrence in this sport.

[gansales]

Assumptions were made as to the specific purpose for which Russia used the Tu-214R aircraft in Ukraine

Well, I'll give my guess ... I was looking for targets for strikes with tactical nuclear weapons!
You can kick ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

With the help of nuclear weapons, it is possible to carry out the ionization of the atmosphere, up to the complete cessation of radio communications, which can help in a critical situation.

[gansales]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

With the help of nuclear weapons, it is possible to carry out the ionization of the atmosphere, up to the complete cessation of radio communications, which can help in a critical situation.

Well, this is when there is a world war ... And you can bring the mongrels to reason tactically!
The irradiated will run into geyropu hehe

[DWG1905]

Quote: fiv

I thought there would be more article about Tu-214. He was prepared to work under the Open Skies program, and at the request of the amers, he was deprived of part of the reconnaissance functionality. I would like to know if all the equipment was returned to him?

You are confusing Tu-214R and Tu-214ON. Tu-214ON flies quite well, I saw it yesterday in the area of ​​Pushkino. Tu-214ON is useless for SVO, because. looking down at himself. They'll knock you down and won't ask you for your last name.

[sgrabik]

With such a frankly meager number of these planes, so urgently needed for our army, it’s simply not necessary to talk about high operational awareness, it’s just a drop in the ocean, you need at least 15-20 of these planes, because apart from Ukraine, there is also Syria, and in reserve several aircraft must be in constant readiness, because you always need to be ready at any time to replace an aircraft that has failed for one reason or another with a similar one.

[DWG1905]

Quote: musketone64

These two aircraft were built for testing and evaluation by the military before being taken into service and mass production. It seems that the aircraft itself did not suit the customers in terms of the time spent in the air, inefficiency, and so on.

This is black PR to justify doing nothing.

[Mustached Kok]

Yes, thanks at least for the fact that HALF A YEAR LATER they thought of using aerial radio reconnaissance

[16112014nk]

Quote: ilya.muromczev2013

.Money for everything - even the USSR did not have enough

You are right - as much money as our authorities took out of Russia and later squandered in the west, the USSR never had at its disposal.
But the reconnaissance aircraft of the USSR nevertheless were in sufficient quantity, unlike the Russian Federation.

[ilya.muromczev2013]

Have you forgotten, by any chance, that the USSR was TWO TIMES larger than the Russian Federation in terms of population, and THREE TIMES in terms of industrial potential? Remind you that, for example, the same IL-76s were made in Uzbekistan, etc.???

[MaKeNa]

We were not ready for a large-scale war with an equal opponent! Syria turned her head a little - "how can we!" Moreover, it turned everyone around, both the military and us - the "couch experts" We simply could not imagine that we would have to fight really so quickly, that’s all, there were few infantry, no drones, with optics and walkie-talkies there were seams, first-aid kits were bullshit, some of the contract soldiers were not ready to give life for the Motherland, they cut the loot in the PPD, space in a burnout, etc., etc. Alas, history repeats itself - as by 1941 they tried to hurry up, but there was not enough time, and now. One thing worries - there is no Stalin, because everything is half a blow, half a force, half a word !!!!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do not confuse with 1941. There, we missed the first blow, and now, due to the lead blow, we can say we got a head start for six months in advance.

[MaKeNa]

And what??? Are we winning? And what? Pressing Ukraine to the fullest? Gathered strength and break? And where, what?!

[Negruz]

We were not ready for a large-scale war with an equal opponent!

An equal opponent - who is it about?

[Rage66]

"We were not ready for a large-scale war with an equal enemy! Syria turned our heads a little -" how can we! ""
This is not a war with an equal opponent. This is a war with the whole west

[stankow]

With optics, what kind of seams? New methodology?

[Dmirty]

It would be nice to keep such a "bulb" constantly in the air in the "combat duty" mode - naturally changing the sides! But this requires at least a squadron of such aircraft - 10-12 units!

[Dmitry Karabanov]

Has our General Staff really remembered that it is necessary to fight?

[Evgesha]

Damn ...
Yes, these planes should constantly, around the clock, give information about Ukraine !!
And we only have two of them.
They need TWENTY TWO ...

[Rage66]

I don't understand, where are our military satellites?

[NicholasZ]

can detect enemy radars and radio stations at a distance of up to 400 kilometers.

So this is what is needed. Here is the thing!

[Elf]

Quote: lucul

If on the territory of Ukraine, then they will be visible there on any flight radar

Until recently, the American Global Hawk was visible on the flight radar, cutting crashes over the Black Sea.
Avaks over Poland are not visible on the flyradar, but tankers are visible. Enter Call sign "BART" into the radar filter and you will most likely see one or two tankers over Poland or Romania. Right now, while I am writing these lines, a Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker is circling over the Polish city of Czestochowa.

[runway-1]

Quote from gansales

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

With the help of nuclear weapons, it is possible to carry out the ionization of the atmosphere, up to the complete cessation of radio communications, which can help in a critical situation.

Well, this is when there is a world war ... And you can bring the mongrels to reason tactically!
The irradiated will run into geyropu hehe

And the alternatively gifted cannot be reasoned with, this can be seen very well!

[Dost]

Where was he before? On the insert? Why not at the front since February?

[AndreyVV]

Why don't we mobilize business owners
defense sector? not managers,
that they sit and cannot decide anything, but
owners. who bought assets
into the restructuring. And give them concrete
goals and deadlines for launching the necessary
products. In case of failure, bring to justice, because the president signed a decree
on liability for non-compliance
commander's orders. Looks like 6 years
colonies...

[waleri777]

Another plane. "There is safety in numbers". Again, as with the T-14, Su-57, panache, cutting budgets, Potemkin villages, and the confidence that we will throw hats at NATO.

[Glagol1]

If we take long-range reconnaissance and target designation, then we have the following:
Tu-214R - 2, third under construction
IL-20/22 - 7 pieces, partly it is a jammer.
A-50 / A-50U - up to 5. In the A-100 project, it is being built, they promise in 2024.
Total for the circle of cars 14, maybe there are 13 right now.
Why we use it so little and rarely in NWO is a big question. The fighter aircraft of the non-brothers of Tyutyu, and the S-300 of the early series, is no more than 150 km, but they are not kept right on the front line, which means even less. Another mystery of SVO. We have, albeit not so much, but we almost do not use it.

[Kuziming]

Quote: Zaurbek

There are no tank wedges either, as well as a numerical superiority.

Tank wedges without air cover and electronic warfare are compact range targets, unfortunately.

[ksan]

Dear mother, how many whiners and "All-prosalshchikov" have become in VO. Does this "liberal-dermocratic" craze of our state have such an effect or has the CIPSO occupied the site?

[Andrey Shpakov]

Reconnaissance aircraft "presumably" used for reconnaissance

[Vladimir Michailovich]

Quote: FoBoss_V

A question personally to the hero of Russia, comrade Shoigu: why is there only TWO (!!!) of such aircraft for the entire Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? And the drill is generally ONE !! The numbers are just horrendous.

This question should be asked to Pogosyan and Chemezov, who blocked the production of the Tu-204 and not to Shoigu ...

[Nuka]

Quote: Volzhanin64

Under what Ivanov did BMP-3s begin to arrive?
I served under the USSR in 87-89. Already in 89, we had one or two BMP-3s in the park.

Well, this is how lucky, when I served, I respected my radio relay very much - it was three years older than me, I also saw the Great Corn Grower, but it worked properly. Zil 157, on which she stood, by the way, climbed where the 131st met hopelessly, though gasoline ate ruthlessly ... but in those years it was irrelevant.

[Iris]

The third one has been under construction since 2016.... The seventh year! One plane. Charles! During this time, the Chinese built two aircraft carriers! And they have already adopted carrier-based AWACS aircraft, which we do not have and are not even expected.

[Akella]

Of course, it’s interesting: Ukraine is right next to us, but we don’t know anything, what, where, etc., they have .... Yes, our satellites should have been hanging over them for 10 years already ...., WHERE THEY ARE ...????
Where are our super updated weapons, about which so many words have been said ???
There is not...! Therefore, they are not afraid of us, they send weapons to Ukraine.
Apparently only on paper....
It's a shame though!!!

[wladimirjankov]

American AWACS aircraft and reconnaissance drones hang around the clock near the borders of Russia and Ukraine. Because they have them in the required quantity. We have only a few of them. We have not been able to bring our modern AWACS A-100 to mind and put into production for 20 years due to the lack of our electronic components. And the project of the first experimental A-100 was made on an imported electronic base. We are currently working on changing it. Yes, and we don’t have planes for them. IL-76 in Ulyanovsk is produced at 1.5 units per year. Tu 214 is no longer produced in Kazan. MS-21 is only going to be released by 2024, and that's not a fact. It's even worse with modern strike drones. They are simply not in the army yet. Three orions with ATGM whirlwind and old Jewish outposts do not count. Therefore, they are forced to purchase UAVs from Iran, a country that has been under sanctions for decades. What prevented us from establishing their own production? After all, the country had money. Opportunities too. It seems that our mossy generals with stripes simply did not see the need for this. They considered it pampering and toys. We are now reaping the results of their inaction in the NWO. We bombard the fields and squares of Ukraine with shells, mines, rockets, but there is little effect from this.