Bodelvidan Castle "Ladies in Blue"

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Bodelvidan Castle "Ladies in Blue"
Bodelvidan Castle. Photo by Adrian Pingstone



Swimming slowly and gracefully
Ghosts of the past string -
It's like the pages are turning again
Books of life of the giant castle.
A female figure in a white dress,
Like a doe, swiftly shy,
Spinning in a whirlwind of dance playfully,
To fall into your favorite arms.

"Old Castle" Katerina Yatsenko Kraskovskaya

Ancient castles and fortresses. A series of articles on medieval castles aroused a certain interest among VO readers, and such that it came to a “personal order”. However, soon the word is spoken, but not soon the texts are written. So customers will have to wait a bit. In the meantime, our story will be devoted to the story of Bodelvidan Castle, which is interesting in that it is one of the last British castles built in the Middle Ages, that is, quite a bit more, and it could no longer be born!




The gate to the castle with loopholes and stone machicolations at the top. Photo of Dota Potter

This castle is located in the county of Denbighshire, in Wales, not far from the seaside resort of Rhyl. 260 acres of magnificent parkland - such is the area of ​​land on which Bodelvidan stands. And most of the year it was open to the public, which, of course, was convenient.

It was built by the Humphrey family from Anglesey quite late - around 1460 as their family residence. However, in 1690, Bodelvidan was purchased from Humphrey by Sir William Williams, who was Speaker of the House of Commons from 1681-1681, and his descendants, representatives of the Williams-Wynn family of baronets, lived in it for the next two centuries.


The main entrance to the castle. Photo of Dota Potter

By the time it was built, the art of building castles had reached its pinnacle. Already in 1220 or so, here different specialists have different dates, the construction of round towers was mastered. In 1270 stone machicolations began to replace the wooden galleries on the walls and around the towers. 1280s - the conquest of Wales by Edward I takes place, and at the same time, castles of a concentric system are being built in both England and Wales, so to speak, “empty inside”, the defense of which was concentrated on walls, and often several, towers and developed gate fortifications . In the 1350s, the first brick castles appeared in England and Holland. And already a hundred years later, the castles lose their defensive functions. In the same England in 1441-1449. a brick castle Herstmonse with large windows is being built, completely not intended for defense. So Bodelvidan Castle was to some extent a tribute to antiquity, since it did not contain as many innovative solutions as Herstmonse.


Bodelvidan Castle and the Warner Hotel located in it. Pay attention to the figure on the wall, dressed in knightly armor. Just behind it, as they say, the bones in the wall were found. Photo by Peter Rigby

The way we can see it today, Bodelvidan did not become immediately, but between 1830 and 1852, thanks to the efforts of Sir John Hay Williams, who hired two famous architects to reconstruct the castle: Joseph Hansom - the same one that invented the double a two-wheeled cab named after him and Edward Welch. They restored the building and expanded it, and then, already occupying the land, they turned the surrounding land into a magnificent estate with beautiful parks and a garden. By the way, perestroika was started just in time, since in the 1850s the family lost the main source of their income - lead mining, the deposits of which on their land simply dried up. So she could no longer afford to spend funds as widely as before, although the improvement of the castle and estate continued for several more years.

The masonry is made of local limestone, adzed and leveled, windows and other elements are surrounded by hewn stone, and the roof is decorated with a projecting battlement. There are stone turrets hiding chimneys inside, and part of the northeast façade is twin towers connected by a high-level crenellated arch. The towers have similar parapets. The entrances to the yard are blocked by lattice gates with lifting devices at the top.


The castle is out. Photo of Dota Potter

The main facade facing the park is an elevation to the southeast. This is the only symmetrical part. It is divided into equal thirds, with the two outer ones moving forward. Each outer part has a scalloped bay window, one 12-panel window on the first floor and one 6-panel window on the second floor. The center has a two-story triangular scalloped window in the center, flanked by 15-panel windows on the sides, and 12- and 6-panel windows at the top.

The northeast elevation overlooks the village of Bodelviddan, and it is here that the military character of the castle's architecture is most evident. There are also a large number of windows made in the Gothic style.


Courtyard. Photo by Jeff Buck

The main courtyard extends to the west of the house, forming an irregular rectangle of considerable size adjacent to the original entrance and a smaller courtyard. This main courtyard has evenly spaced buttresses along the curtain walls, three-story corner towers, and a front entrance on the west side facing one of the gates in the park boundary wall. The entrance is protected by two towers and a gate with a lattice between them.

The best room of the house is the Living Room, and now a sculpture gallery, in the Gothic style with three spans of fan arches. Bodelvidan has its own gas supply system and gas lighting brackets are installed on each side of the fireplace. This room is said to have been built by Hansom and Welch in the 1830s, albeit in Regency style.

The ladies' drawing room is decorated in the Regency style. The library has bookcases with sliding shelves. The dining room, enlarged by a sloped side, has a marble fireplace with a scene of stone quarrying in the spring sun.

At the back of the house is a billiard room with a frieze with hunting scenes and a Gothic fireplace. The main staircase has massive stucco handrails and carved posts with handles and pendants. There is also a separate staircase for servants with iron balusters, arranged so that it does not interfere with the feet of the owners of the castle.


Gateway to the castle park. Photo by Steve Fareham

Be that as it may, Bodelvidan Castle became one of Hansom's most ambitious projects and, as they wrote then, was full of wild drama and did not inherit anything from its predecessor. Then work on the renewal of Bodelwydan was resumed again in the 1880s by Sir Herbert, XNUMXth Baronet Williams-Wynn, who inherited the castle from a relative who had no other heirs.

During the First World War, the castle was used as a hospital for convalescent soldiers, and the grounds surrounding Bodelvidan were transferred to the army, which set up a training camp here. Until now, you can see the remains of trenches dug for the training of young soldiers. Ownership passed to the War Department, only the cost of maintaining it became too onerous. Therefore, in 1920, the army decided to lease it to Lowther College, which was a well-known private school for girls in those years.

This school was founded in 1896 in Lancashire, by the efforts of Mrs. Florence Lindley, the first headmistress of this school, who held her post until 1927. And at first, Mrs. Lindley moved her school to Bodelvidan on a lease, but already in 1925 she simply acquired it as her property, so that in 1927, in turn, she would sell the school to the Allied Schools association of independent schools. Lowther College was one of the first private girls' schools to have its own swimming pool and private golf course. The whole district came to the performances of the students of the school, since music education was one of the skates of Lowther College. In 1977, education in it became available to boys as well, but in 1982 the school closed due to financial problems.


1781 watercolor depicting a manor on the site of a castle

In the 80s, the castle was bought by the Clwyd County Council and turned into a museum and art gallery - that is, into an interesting object for tourists. Moreover, the county council managed to establish partnerships with the National Portrait Gallery, London's Victoria and Albert Museum and the Royal Academy of Arts, which in turn made it possible to hold interesting exhibitions in Bodelvidan and demonstrate the real cultural treasures of the nation. Well, in order to create an entourage suitable for collections, the architect Roderick Graydidge rebuilt the interiors of the castle in the spirit of Victorian luxury. However, the costs of maintaining it were so high that in 1994 part of the estate was leased to an organization of hoteliers and turned into a hotel that still functions successfully today.


Another gate to the park area. Photo by David Dixon

It is believed that the castle is haunted, including a soldier who lives in one of the galleries. Although it is completely incomprehensible why they would start in it, because the castle is not very ancient, and no terrible and bloody crimes seem to have been committed in it. True, Sir John Hay Williams recorded in 1829 that during the reconstruction of one of the chimneys, human bones were found in the wall. It was decided to brick them back into the wall. There they remain, and, alas, there is no hope for their owner to rest in the cemetery according to the Christian rite. And it's a pity, suddenly only this is not enough for his bones? However, where did the “Lady in Blue” come from then? Was she also immured in some wall of the castle or poisoned by an unfaithful husband? But in the annals of the family, nothing of the kind is reported. All the Williams seem to have lived happily ever after. And visitors to the castle claim, although not all, that during their visit they hear steps behind their backs, but when they turn around, they don’t see anyone. But they see gray shadows in the corridors, where there is also no one. And in one of the rooms they saw a woman in a blue dress. After that, ghost hunters came to the castle and, after conducting their strange experiments, confirmed the presence of ghosts. Moreover, shocking photos of not even one, but several ghosts were obtained. So it was recognized that quite real ghosts really live in this castle. Therefore, he took part in the filming of two popular television shows: Most Haunted and International Ghostbusters, which are very successful in England.


One of the towers of the castle. View from the park. Photo of Dota Potter

It is wonderful that the castle is surrounded by huge gardens and parks, which were last landscaped by the famous landscape designer Thomas Hayton Mawson in 1910. Interestingly, although the castle began to be built in 1460, it is based on the foundation of an even more ancient fortification. The fact is that one of the ancient Roman roads passed near the castle, and the architects found burial places of that era on the lands of the estate.

And everything was fine until, in 2017, Derbyshire County Council, due to the huge costs of maintaining the castle, decided to sell it. In February 2019, the castle, which has a lease term of 99 years, was still not sold, and the announcement of the sale still hangs on the website of the castle, that is, for all these years there were no people who wanted to buy the castle with all its ghosts. The castle itself, of course, was closed to the public after that, and then public access to forests, parks, playgrounds and trenches was also closed!


Another local interesting monument of antiquity is the Church of St. Margaret, the so-called Marble Church. It was built between 1856-1860 by order of Lady Margaret Willoughby de Broke in memory of her husband. It is said to be named after the 13 different types of marble found inside, although many locals say it is because of its white "marble" appearance. The church's distinctive 202-foot tower and spire are a landmark that can be seen for miles around. Photo by Michael Searle


And this is a completely modern toilet next to this temple, which is looked at by an evil gargoyle. Obviously angry that people have thought of this important solution to their problems associated with the call of nature ... Photo by Herald England

However, the Bodelvidan Castle Hotel, owned by Warner Business Hotels, continues to operate on the castle grounds. The county council retained the forest, the meadow, the parking lot, and the farmland, as well as a small house on the edge of this vast landed property.


And this is just a park squirrel, of which there are a lot ... Photo by David Dixon
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  1. +3
    28 September 2022 04: 55
    Simple human thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  2. +6
    28 September 2022 07: 04
    A story with elements of an advertising booklet. But the history of the castle is certainly good. Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    And quite often the source of the family's well-being is what is in the ground. For example lead. Until it's over.
    1. +6
      28 September 2022 07: 09
      Quote from Korsar4
      advertising booklet

      An old dog is difficult to learn new tricks. From 2000 to 2017 I taught advertising at a university, I wrote 4 textbooks on PR and advertising. Hence the "heavy legacy of the profession."
      1. +6
        28 September 2022 07: 13
        I do not know why, but in this story it was surprisingly vividly manifested.
        1. +4
          28 September 2022 07: 16
          Sergey! I am a mood person. And it's always different...
      2. +6
        28 September 2022 14: 08
        Quote: kalibr
        Hence the "heavy legacy

        former regime :))))
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  4. +8
    28 September 2022 07: 35
    Something you are all about foreign architecture, but about our own?
    Can you tell us about the Koporye fortress?

    The most beautiful in the northwest!
    1. +6
      28 September 2022 07: 58
      So it wasn't. And the first stable association is Koporye tea.
      1. +6
        28 September 2022 08: 47
        Quote from Korsar4
        koporsky tea

        My wife and I screwed up five years ago ... We still can’t finish drinking. So it's tasty, fragrant, saturated - everything seems to be normal, but for some reason I drank it for a week and that's it - it cuts it off. smile
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 09: 27
          The first Greek principle is a sense of proportion. And having an alternative allows you to choose what you want.
      2. +4
        28 September 2022 09: 09
        Ivan-tea in different preparations.
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 09: 28
          Yes. And there was a peculiar tradition to mix it into ordinary tea.
    2. +4
      28 September 2022 08: 04
      The problem is, Alexander, that it is difficult to write about our fortresses. Little information and photos "public domain". I will be happy to give this topic to you, especially since you have experience of cooperation with VO. Perhaps you will be more lucky with information and photos than me. And for me, hard work is already sickening due to age characteristics.
      Looked at their site now. Other interesting. But ... there are many difficulties. We need to get in touch with the administration, with our Russian administration. And this is a roulette 50 to 50 ... So, I repeat, maybe you, Alexander, will make a material about this fortress?
    3. +7
      28 September 2022 08: 44
      Greetings, Alexander.
      Quote: ee2100
      The most beautiful

      A matter of taste. In my opinion, Pskov is much more picturesque, not to mention that it is much older. Izborsk Koporyu, in my opinion, is in no way inferior. smile
      And, by the way, here Vyacheslav Olegovich is right in his objection: who better than us to write about the North-West, we also have cameras in our hands.
      By the way, in Estonia there are a lot of castles, and classical European ones (in Russia there is only one - Vyborg) - this is the field for the researcher. smile
      1. +5
        28 September 2022 09: 15
        "The most beautiful" - the taste and color ...
        It does not look like Russian at all, which is worth two gate towers and an arched bridge!
        I read somewhere that the Serbs had a hand in the construction. Maybe a fairy tale.
        There is something to see in Estonia, but I'm too lazy to write for VO.
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 09: 25
          Quote: ee2100
          too lazy to write for VO.

          Well, that means we are equal: You are too lazy to write for VO, and I am too lazy to write on topics that require a lot of work.
        2. +4
          28 September 2022 10: 36
          I read somewhere that the Serbs had a hand in the construction.

          Most likely Italians. The fortress that we see today is a building of the end of the XNUMXth - beginning of the XNUMXth century. The peak of activity of Italian architects and fortifiers in Russia.
          1. +4
            28 September 2022 11: 01
            Quote from Nephilim
            building of the end of the XNUMXth - beginning of the XNUMXth century.

            End of the reign of Ivan III. Then powerful stone construction was organized in this region - in fact, Koporye, Yam (Kingisepp), Gdov were rebuilt at the same time, Ivangorod was built almost from scratch. Almost all the fortresses of the North-West acquired their present form at this time.
            But I didn’t hear anything about the participation of Italians in this construction, as well as about the Serbs. Some names associated with the construction came across, but Russian.
            1. +5
              28 September 2022 12: 36
              But I haven’t heard anything about the participation of Italians in this construction

              There are two options here. The first is difficult, but interesting, to collect information yourself from such sources as "Materials for the History of Engineering in Russia" by Fedor Fedorovich Laskovsky. The second is easier to read Konstantin Sergeevich Nosov, for example - Italians and "Italianisms" in Russian military architecture of the Grand Duchy of Moscow (last third of the 2020th - first half of the 3th century): Historiographic review // Military History Journal. - 84. - No. 93. - P. XNUMX–XNUMX.
        3. +5
          28 September 2022 11: 18
          At one time, a cycle arose in my head about the unknown fortresses of the Novgorod land X-XIII, such as Tiversk, Tesov, Gorodets Luga, etc. We don’t even know many of them by name, for example, the Kaibolovsky settlement, Sabsky - these are modern names, but it is not known what they were called at that time. In the sources, they are either not mentioned at all, or are not identified ....
          Interesting but difficult. A lot of literature needs to be dug up.
          1. +5
            28 September 2022 11: 51
            The thought is very good. And probably it is necessary to write, otherwise Shpakovsky says that it is difficult for him, it is easier to translate the booklet. laughing
            Maybe our generation is still interested, but what will happen in 10-20 years? Everything will go digital and people will stop leaving their homes! crying
            I wanted to write about the settlement of Varbola. But, the reason was voiced earlier.

            This is a photo of the city inside.
            drinks
            1. +5
              28 September 2022 12: 04
              Quote: ee2100
              probably should write

              Probably should. But there are more interesting tasks for me, for example, the continuation of the same Okinf ... smile
              So these are not even plans, but just outlines. It’s just that in the process of working on the same Okinf, side information constantly appears, which does not fall into the main text, but is somehow spontaneously structured in the head and itself develops into a kind of plan.
              And it's a pity when interesting (for me, at least) information "disappears" in vain. I would like to share. smile
              1. +5
                28 September 2022 12: 36
                Hi Michael!

                there are more interesting tasks for me, for example, the continuation of the same Okinf ... smile


                This is also interesting to me, many characters are too good, and not only the main character. smile
                1. +4
                  28 September 2022 12: 48
                  Thank you Uncle Kostya. hi
                  It's just going hard, my dear... smile So I can't promise anything, at least not in the near future. No.
                  1. +3
                    28 September 2022 12: 52
                    I can't promise anything, at least not in the near future. no


                    And nothing, I'm patient - I'll wait. smile

              2. +4
                28 September 2022 13: 03
                Can you muddy your site?
                Think about it.
                1. +4
                  28 September 2022 13: 42
                  Nikolay has long been toying with the idea of ​​combining creative efforts and stirring up his own resource, but he still cannot answer my question about who will deal with the technical and commercial part of the project. smile
                  1. +4
                    28 September 2022 13: 47
                    We need to discuss. With the technical part, I think you can decide
                  2. +3
                    28 September 2022 16: 01
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    can't answer yet

                    And this is the main thing!
                    1. +3
                      28 September 2022 16: 29
                      Quote: kalibr
                      And this is the main thing!

                      Unfortunately. Very few succeed in turning a hobby into a profession, but they must be truly happy people. smile
                      1. 0
                        28 September 2022 19: 31
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        really happy people.

                        But even for them, for complete happiness, something is always missing!
                      2. 0
                        28 September 2022 23: 09
                        Quote: kalibr
                        something is missing all the time

                        If only time. smile
        4. +3
          28 September 2022 12: 39
          Hi Sasha! smile

          I'm too lazy to write for VO.


          You do not respect the public in the section "History" request (shutka))))
          1. +2
            28 September 2022 13: 01
            Hi Kostya!
            And respect, and I will drink! drinks
            1. +4
              28 September 2022 13: 31
              Now all that remains is what to drink, but, alas, I am limited in taking fuel on board and envy those who pump "fuel" without looking back at the ship's doctor. laughing

      2. +3
        28 September 2022 09: 29
        I really like both Izborsk and Pskov, although I have been a few times.
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 09: 33
          Interesting place. Whether it's open now or not, I don't know.
          I will pass, I will definitely stop by.
          1. +2
            28 September 2022 09: 43
            Here is information regarding visiting the fortress and the services provided in it.
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 09: 55
              I called and it's working. From 01.10. From 10 am to 16 pm
  5. +2
    28 September 2022 10: 04
    However, the Bodelvidan Castle Hotel, owned by Warner Business Hotels, continues to operate on the castle grounds.

    Warner Leisure Hotels bought the castle in June 2021 for £500 with the aim of preserving cultural heritage and developing the tourism business in Derbyshire.
  6. +1
    28 September 2022 10: 29
    Almost a song ... Foggy morning, gray morning, sad fields covered with moisture ...
    And the door in front of me, just a door against a gloomy sky. Behind the explosions, I feel their heat on my back, I shudder and turn around. Screams, deaths, small pale demons, giggling fractionally, rush about among the dying, goodbye.... Farewell to the old world of quiet well-being...
    I push the door.
    Inside is a huge castle hall. Above it is almost dark, echoes of speeches float. And in the middle of the hall is a table laden with spiritual dishes. Fine wine of meanings is poured into glasses, drink, friends, while drinking...
    By the way, good morning everyone!
    And I wish a long life to everyone who enters this historic hall. I send you all the warmth of my heart!
    I want to speak, but the words are not the same.
    1. +3
      28 September 2022 10: 38
      Good day to you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Remember that the world around you does not really exist. This is the picture that your brain creates, and it ... sometimes frolics and gets tired, and its reasons are incomprehensible to us ... Hindus say about it: All Maya is a ghostly world.
      1. +2
        28 September 2022 10: 58
        I have already heard this from you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Yes, only reality invades the exciting world of ghosts very hard. The opposite also takes place. lady in blue...
        Heard about her many times.
        My opinion. The play of light in specially arranged windows, the law of peripheral vision, which turns a luminous speck of dust into a bright object, and the peculiarity of perception in large empty rooms. You know, in such people consciousness really changes, and waking dreams come. And also the impact of legends, forcing to expect a ghost. No one is more prone to seeing ghosts than their catchers. And on the catcher, you know, and the ghost runs wassat )))
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 11: 05
          Quote: depressant
          turning a luminous speck of dust into a bright object, and a feature of perception in large empty rooms

          I saw such a phenomenon.
          Quote: depressant
          And on the catcher, you know, and the ghost runs

          Of course. I have a friend who defended his doctorate on the topic of paranormal phenomena.
          1. 0
            28 September 2022 13: 13
            What is the purpose of that dissertation? What about the conclusion? )))
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 16: 03
              Conclusion? What is the knowable and what is the unknown!
              1. +2
                28 September 2022 17: 01
                Awesome! Give me, give me official access to write a dissertation, I will write such that the qualification commission will first turn blue, then turn green, crumble to dust, and the hand of some of the most important skeleton, shuddering with delight and horror, before disintegrating into separate bones from of the effort made, the seal will hit the stamped paper, on which, next to my name, the indecent word "academician" is so modestly envied wassat )))
                Hmmm ... I once had a chance to get acquainted with what topics people defend dissertations on. But the fact that there is a dissertation with a conclusion about the presence of the unknown is the pinnacle!
                1. 0
                  28 September 2022 19: 27
                  There are more amazing themes. For physical education. "Method of training athletes with disabilities who throw the discus with their left hand due to the absence of the right."
              2. +2
                28 September 2022 18: 19
                Socrates defended this dissertation, limiting himself to one phrase: "I know that I know nothing."
                1. +2
                  28 September 2022 19: 05
                  This dissertation was defended by Socrates




                  Hello Anton! smile
                2. +1
                  28 September 2022 19: 10
                  O! Socrates can be used as an epigraph to a scientific work that proves loyalty to them, Socrates, expressed, only much more verbose. Aphoristic thinking is not conducive to profit.
        2. +2
          28 September 2022 13: 16
          lady in blue...
          Heard about her many times.

          Oh, how long ago it was ... Everyone must have had their own "lady in blue" in their lives.
          1. +1
            28 September 2022 15: 07
            Thanks! )))
            I know this song. A long time ago, but it seems like yesterday.
          2. +1
            28 September 2022 19: 21
            Yes, I liked the girl in white
            But now I love in blue
        3. +3
          28 September 2022 13: 25
          Good afternoon, Luda. love

          I don’t know how to amuse you, but “The Lady in Blue” seems to me for some reason in this form. Yes

          1. +1
            28 September 2022 14: 58
            in this form

            No, it’s too tangible, and even with illumination from the inside, as if a ghost swallowed the lamp ... For me, it’s like an interweaving of foggy lines into an image ...
            Kostya! I'm glad to see you healthy. It's good that you are far from Moscow.
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 15: 17
              It's good that you are far from Moscow.


              Yes, and there is absolutely nothing to pull. smile
              1. +1
                28 September 2022 17: 04
                This "something" that does not pull you to Moscow, knows what it is doing. You are a sinner, Kostya, and here we have a destination in paradise.
                1. +4
                  28 September 2022 17: 59
                  I did not count my sins, but ... "he who is without sin, let him throw a stone at me." As for the destination, then who will fall on which road. request

                  1. +2
                    28 September 2022 19: 05
                    Kostya!!! With the words of a song! You bring light and joy to people! )))
                    1. +3
                      28 September 2022 19: 14
                      You bring light and joy to people!
                      The troops of the Strategic Missile Forces carry light and warmth to people
                      1. +2
                        28 September 2022 19: 33
                        And you are a joker, Sergey! )))
                        Why so radical?
                        I imagined: a rocket flies into my window, predatory looks around, they say, who would bring light and warmth, and I told her: "For broken glass - who will pay ???"
                    2. +2
                      28 September 2022 19: 45
                      Thank you, Luda. smile love



                      Light and warmth, and a little participation. Yes
                      1. +1
                        28 September 2022 19: 57
                        And what about the Strategic Missile Forces?!?
                        Sergey merged. Fright from his own courage was terrible good )))
                      2. +2
                        28 September 2022 20: 10
                        If you are talking about Phil, then he didn’t merge a damn thing. laughing

                        And the Strategic Missile Forces ...

                      3. +1
                        28 September 2022 21: 37
                        About the Aviator me! He threatened the Strategic Missile Forces wassat )))
                      4. +1
                        28 September 2022 21: 57
                        He threatened the Strategic Missile Forces


                        A double-edged sword, or rather a club, and there it is also available. I would like to think that it is not "a monkey with a grenade" sitting at the button.

                      5. +2
                        28 September 2022 21: 36
                        Sergey merged. Fright from his own courage was terrible
                        Well, why are you like that, Lyudmila. The son came, discussed a lot of things, now you can go to the computer. Tomorrow I have to study the second course.
                      6. +2
                        28 September 2022 21: 51
                        Yes, I just nailed it! This is a joke...
                        This is how I live. I'll start joking - a growl, I'll start to mope - it's the same, only of a different shade.
                        Well, the battery is 15%, it needs feeding, the cord is short, for today I have already passed.
                        Bye-bye everyone! love )))
                      7. +2
                        28 September 2022 22: 32
                        So I screwed up too. And even scary pictures arose from the Sea Cat.
                2. +3
                  28 September 2022 18: 20
                  Quote: depressant
                  here is the destination to heaven

                  The one whose phrase you voiced was clearly out of his mind at that moment. bully Despondency is a sin, my dear friend. You are clearly burdened by recent events. The recipe is simple. Down with it! Down with this despondency. After all, by and large, by paying your precious attention to them, you only make things worse for yourself and your health. Yes?laughing
                  Hello Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
                  1. +2
                    28 September 2022 19: 03
                    Hello, Sergey Vladimirovich! )))
                    There is no sadness. For some reason, it so happened that a sober view of life is now perceived as despondency. An extreme assessment of people and events is required, a weighted one is not accepted. And the support? What is sign? This is Bodelvidan Castle. Built and built upon it. And they survived, by the way. How much they wanted, so much they survived. AND???
                    1. +3
                      28 September 2022 19: 16
                      Quote: depressant
                      Here is Bodelvidan Castle



                      But there is a castle in Muromtsevo / Vladimir region /. Yesterday and now. That's where despondency reigns! From such an attitude!
                      1. +1
                        28 September 2022 19: 43
                        Well what can I say ...
                        First. Looks like it's still very similar.
                        Second. Didn't get accustomed. Needed where was born. And here is the wrong karma. And this is not discouragement. This is a harsh statement of fact. What do we need?
                      2. +2
                        28 September 2022 19: 59
                        Quote: depressant
                        . Didn't take root

                        Oh, and why didn’t it “take root” here? The castle was built in 1889 / I could be wrong, but not by much /, at the direction of Count Vladimir Khrapovitsky. And until 1918 everything was fine. When he left for emigration, he wrote "the estate of the" new government "and miracles began. Furnishings and luxury goods were distributed to local museums, the building itself was repeatedly looted with the participation of local people. Then, yes, as Sergei correctly noted below, the forestry technical school moved in. Aunt said that during the war in it was a hospital for some time. Then there were two fires.
                      3. +1
                        28 September 2022 21: 33
                        And this is due to the lack of continuity of power. For example, in Europe, as a result of bourgeois revolutions, although the class content of government bodies has changed, the power of the owners of material resources has remained. The bourgeoisie and retired feudal lords learned to live together. Like owners. Some are owners of the means of production, others are owners of real estate and land. We drove those and others. The owners of large real estate are gone. And without owners-proprietors, weak attempts to turn class-alien real estate into a museum in many cases were doomed to failure. And now our nouveaux riches prefer to fit into Western society, they buy real estate there and put it in order. But there are those who, realizing that they are nobody and nothing in the West, are building their own castles in Russia. For example, under Peter. I saw videos. Incredible luxury, sometimes tasteless in architectural design. There are also wealthy enthusiasts who buy the ruins of palaces and make tourist-attractive museums or hotels. There is, but not much. For the future is uncertain. We are a country with an unpredictable past and an even more unpredictable future.
                      4. +1
                        29 September 2022 08: 22
                        Quote: depressant
                        And this is due to the lack of continuity of power. For example, in Europe, as a result of bourgeois revolutions, although the class content of government bodies has changed

                        Oh and oh! And how to justify the inaction of local and federal authorities? Well, yes! Now they have surrounded the territory with a fence, conduct paid excursions and? Are they collecting money for restoration? laughing
                        Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
                        How is the smartphone? Is it charging? bully
                        PS I admit that they will sell the "walls" to some "Gazprom" and he will start a hotel-castle in the estate for the rest of "important and necessary people." Option? what
                      5. +1
                        29 September 2022 12: 57
                        Good afternoon, Sergey Vladimirovich! love )))
                        The smartphone is charged and fully armed, but the arrows get stuck. I repair the trigger mechanism. In my opinion, you are lost in the gap between the Soviet and pseudo-capitalist eras. Yes, actually, all of us. Those didn’t care, they didn’t care even more, they survive, so we wipe ourselves off. No one to present.
                      6. +1
                        29 September 2022 13: 34
                        Quote: depressant
                        In my opinion, you are lost in the gap between the Soviet and pseudo-capitalist eras

                        I don’t agree. I didn’t get confused. For I perceive reality as a given, which I cannot change.
                        Quote: depressant
                        survive

                        Well, yes, yes. They survive well. laughing
                        Quote: depressant
                        No one to present.

                        To whom to present? To whom? bully
                        And actually what?!
                      7. +1
                        29 September 2022 15: 04
                        And that's true! If you shout about the problem, they will send you to a hundred bureaucrats, each of whom in his actions relies on the law of his department, which contradicts all the others. It was good in the days of the feudal lords! The master ordered, appointed a person responsible, he did it, otherwise ... But they stole! wassat )))
                      8. +1
                        29 September 2022 16: 02
                        Quote: depressant
                        But they stole! )))

                        They stole. But the one who came across was flogged mercilessly! bully
                      9. +1
                        29 September 2022 16: 35
                        Well... Not necessarily. Forgive. Orders were awarded. It's nice to see familiar faces around you. For example, I am extremely unhappy when a stranger speaks to me on the street. At once, all thoughts about the wallet and such, you know, melancholy seizes that you want to shout out to an outsider "Get out!" And the feudal lords were from the same test. Onet people.
                      10. +3
                        28 September 2022 19: 46
                        We have already mentioned Muromtsevo. At one time, it housed the Muromtsevsky forestry technical school. And then he left, and it all started.
                      11. +3
                        28 September 2022 19: 59
                        The country is big. You always want to leave, leaving the unfinished. There is where. Maybe that's why?
                      12. +3
                        28 September 2022 20: 06
                        Quote: depressant
                        Maybe that's why?

                        Sergey had in mind the move of the technical school to a new building built very close by. And in the outbuildings of the castle there was the board of the Pioneer state farm. Noble chickens were raised! good Delicious.
                      13. +1
                        28 September 2022 21: 41
                        By the way!
                        Modern chicken is, of course, chicken, but ... wassat )))
                        But I think people have already forgotten the taste of real chicken.
                      14. +3
                        28 September 2022 20: 07
                        Quote from Korsar4
                        Muromtsevo

                        Good evening Sergey!
                        Well, how could it be without it? I spent almost all school holidays / summer / there. I traveled the entire palace park on a bike.
                      15. +3
                        28 September 2022 20: 13
                        Good evening, Seryozha! There is also a wonderful selection of trees.
                      16. +3
                        28 September 2022 20: 18
                        Quote from Korsar4
                        great

                        Yeah. Have you heard about the "dog hill"?
                      17. +2
                        28 September 2022 20: 36
                        No. Haven't heard so far. Was there quite a bit.
                      18. +1
                        28 September 2022 21: 29
                        Have you heard of the "dog hill"?


                        And what is it?
                      19. +1
                        28 September 2022 22: 03
                        As far as I understood, there was a dog cemetery there. Including those with outstanding tombstones. But it is better to let the aboriginal Seryozha tell.
                      20. +1
                        29 September 2022 06: 40
                        Quote from Korsar4
                        aboriginal Seryozha tells.

                        Aboriginal!!!! Ha, ha, ha!!! Made me laugh. Good morning Sergey!
                        So after all, you told everything correctly. Count Vladimir Semyonovich and his wife were very fond of dogs. Well, of course, they got a kind of "pet cemetery." And for this purpose they chose a small hill, rather, there really is a hill / elevation not far from the estate, I saw it myself /. After the revolution, the marble slabs were stolen by local residents. Well, such goodness shouldn’t disappear? Something like this. Another legend speaks of a bet made by a count with a French nobleman. According to her, he promised to build a castle on his land. everything is probably simpler. The old estate was small and Vladimir Semyonovich turned to his familiar architect with a request to create something "sort of European".
                        Have a nice day, buddy!
                      21. +1
                        29 September 2022 09: 28



                        About hospitals. During the war, three hospitals visited the estate.
                        3945,1547 and 5801st.
                      22. +1
                        29 September 2022 09: 37
                        And further.


                        Two hospitals were for the lightly wounded. And an evacuation hospital.
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                      1. +1
                        28 September 2022 19: 50
                        Aha! As on horseback, so the king, and how to rake the shit after the horse, so the groom, but how to rake the shit after the king, so ... Uh?
                        Will the castle decay?
          2. +2
            28 September 2022 19: 45
            I wonder how The Woman in White will introduce herself?
            1. +2
              28 September 2022 20: 04
              I wonder how The Woman in White will introduce herself?




              Somehow, in general. bully
              1. +3
                28 September 2022 20: 14
                Pratchett to illustrate for you. It would be a bestseller.
                1. +1
                  28 September 2022 21: 26
                  Unfortunately these are not my drawings. I like this artist for his manner of execution, and most importantly, his sense of humor. smile
                  1. +2
                    28 September 2022 22: 00
                    It's just that you take a pencil less often than others would like.
                    1. +2
                      28 September 2022 22: 39
                      There are reasons, after a stroke, the hand is no longer the same, a tremor appeared, and the desire somehow died out over time.
                      And there were times ... good

                      1. +2
                        28 September 2022 23: 08
                        Any fan of "creative mess" will admit.
                      2. +2
                        28 September 2022 23: 17
                        Thank you, Sergei. smile I, in general, continued to draw and it turned out, but over time, the desire quietly disappeared. Right now I'm just having fun with photoshop.
                      3. +2
                        28 September 2022 23: 21
                        I have always admired the ability to draw. My schoolgirl daughter has quite decent graphics. But now the priorities are different.
                      4. +2
                        28 September 2022 23: 42
                        It's not about priorities. In no case should you quit, you are simply obliged to insist that your daughter continue to be creative. It's necessary! No wonder in the old days children in noble families were certainly taught to draw, the ancestors knew a lot about the aesthetic education of children. smile
                      5. +2
                        29 September 2022 00: 15
                        For himself, he continues to draw a little, but the technical class at school, the school of programmers and swimming does not leave much time. To put it mildly. In no case can not be torn from sleep.
                      6. +2
                        29 September 2022 00: 32
                        Yes, sleep is necessary. But still, try to help the girl, drawing will help her in life much more than swimming, I also did it in childhood, and drew. smile
                      7. +2
                        29 September 2022 09: 47
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And there were times

                        It even reminds me of illustrations from my "demobilization album".
                        Time connection? bully
                      8. +2
                        29 September 2022 13: 30
                        It even reminds me of illustrations from my "demobilization album". Time connection?


                        And the affinity of souls! wink drinks
                2. +2
                  28 September 2022 21: 45
                  Pratchett to illustrate for you. It would be a bestseller.

                  Sergey, you want to say that these are Kostya's drawings? ((( belay )))
                  1. +2
                    28 September 2022 21: 59
                    No. But they could be. Enough imagination and technology.
    2. +2
      28 September 2022 12: 56
      I send you all the warmth of my heart!

      Is it there?
      1. +2
        28 September 2022 13: 10
        Son of Seth, there are remnants)))
        They are not endless, but as long as the heart is beating unevenly, pity, huge as the sea, drowns the mind. To my own, to strangers - I woke up because of the chorus: "Crucify him!"
        They scream so frenziedly... And the stones of the castles look, passing the fog of centuries through the holes in the ancient walls.
        1. +3
          28 September 2022 13: 41
          They are not endless, but as long as the heart is beating unevenly, pity, huge as the sea, drowns the mind. To one's own, to others

          Pity is a kind of sadness mixed with love or benevolence towards those who are experiencing some undeserved grief.

          As you can see, if you go deeper, it turns out that someone does not deserve pity, and someone does not need it.
          1. +2
            28 September 2022 15: 01
            In my observation, most people at this point in time want to become even more invisible than ghosts. Like, somewhere there, but no one saw.
            The strongest fear is experienced by those who are hiding, and someone is wandering nearby, ready to find and break their will, to take their lives. Pity those in hiding.
            1. +1
              28 September 2022 22: 05
              Quote: depressant
              want to become even more invisible

              "Become a shadow, poor son of Tuma, and the gaze of the evil Cha will pierce your shadow in vain!"
  7. +2
    28 September 2022 15: 21
    Regarding the castles, if the Scandinavians, the Vikings, who moved to the island, conducted economic activities together with the local population, then the French feudal lords who came with William the Conqueror dominated, for which they built defense points in the form of fortresses. Castles-fortresses in the form of a network of strongholds were built for the sake of dominance and control of the territory; tribute was collected from there and they hid from uprisings there. The disregard for the locals is also expressed in the fact that for 300 years the nobility did not want to speak English with the locals. The state language was French, respected people communicated in it, literature was written, and laws were issued in parliament.
    So the castles in England are a kind of Norman yoke, the locals were cruelly exploited and taxed.
    1. +4
      28 September 2022 16: 06
      Quote: nickname7
      Norman yoke

      Without any doubt. And by the way, there are no complexes about this.
      1. +1
        28 September 2022 17: 07
        And what did we have? A German yoke enforced in French? )))
  8. -1
    29 September 2022 16: 57
    There are also a large number of windows made in the Gothic style.

    None, really. The castle is "cut down" entirely under the Romanesque style, there is no Gothic in it from the word "absolutely".