NYT: The President of the Russian Federation turns the war into a defensive one, and Russia won defensive wars

The American edition of The New York Times came out with an analytical material that says that "the Russian president has rethought the armed conflict in Ukraine." The author of the material writes that the result of such a rethinking is connected with a message from Putin that this conflict could go beyond the borders of Ukraine.

The article says that long-term pressure on Russia in order to critically weaken or defeat it can lead to irreversible consequences. And these consequences are a real nuclear confrontation.

The author writes that "Russian President Vladimir Putin, driven into a corner, becomes much more dangerous."

From the article:

By mobilizing, Putin changes the status of the war, making it defensive. And Russia won its defensive wars against Napoleon and Hitler. Putin made an important psychological move, turning the armed confrontation into a defensive one for Russia.

The NYT points out that Putin's September 21 speech further exacerbates the question for the West about how far military aid to Kyiv can go. The author unequivocally declares that this military aid has already reached such a scale that its further increase can be, perhaps, due to the sending of NATO ground troops. But this will definitely lead to a nuclear conflict.

NYT:

The game began with balancing on the brink of a big war. Washington and Moscow are trying to outsmart each other as the temperature rises.

The American author writes that it would be a big mistake to assume that the advantage of Ukraine and its allies today is reliable and unambiguous. In this regard, "the outcome of the war seems to be an increasingly distant prospect, and its echoes give off an extreme degree of danger."

Comments

[flicker]

By mobilizing, Putin is changing the status of the war

The status of war is changed by a referendum, not by mobilization.

[Pereira]

The analyst either does not know about the referendum, or dismisses it as an unimportant and, from his point of view, illegal event.

[flicker]

Yes yes, of course it doesn't fit

The referendum does not fit into any legal field, neither ours, nor theirs, nor international.

It looks like bloomers interfere with your thinking.

The right of peoples to self-determination - one of the basic principles of international law, meaning the right of every people to independently decide on the form of their state existence, freely determine their political status without outside interference and carry out their economic and cultural development[1].

This principle, along with other principles, is proclaimed in the UN Charter.

[Charik]

the pan does not transmit signals from space

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Souhlasím, sen fašisty Zelenského a války chtivého západu se hroutí, když vidí, že stále více Ukrajiny chce patřit pod Rusko a nikdo jim v tom nemá právo zabránit.

[Konnick]

Souhlasím, sen fašisty Zelenského a války chtivého západu se hroutí, když vidí, že stále více Ukrajiny chce patřit pod Rusko a nikdo jim v tom nemá právo zabránit.

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I agree, the dream of the fascist Zelensky and the war-hungry West is shattered when they see more and more Ukraine wanting to belong to Russia, and no one has the right to stop them from doing so.

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Omlouvám se, ale nevím nikdy jak se změní překlad co jsem skutečně napsal, ale snad tomu lze rozumět.

[svit55]

Designate the language for the translator. Czech or?

[NNikolaich]

The great success and advancement of fascist Germany in 41 was due to the fact that the German troops were mobilized and went through hostilities in Europe.
A run-in fascist war machine fell upon our, in general, peacetime army.
Now mobilization will eventually give us the same military force, experienced and trained.
Everyone understands that BuU Krayina is an episode, and the states will push the Poles or the Balts to the slaughter, or maybe both together.
And an army hardened in battles is worth a lot, which is why the howl and high rose in the west, because they understand, and there you look and beware of running further.

[Konnick]

The great success and advancement of fascist Germany in 41 was due to the fact that the German troops were mobilized and went through hostilities in Europe.

Great success and advancement were due to the tactics of warfare and air supremacy. and this is mobility in order to create a numerical advantage in certain places, the interaction of aviation with ground units, headquarters and communication centers were priority targets for aviation. Radio stations were taken direction finding and destroyed again by aircraft. And of course, the rapid movement of tank columns with a separation from the main parts to capture transport hubs, airfields and bridges. The concentration of attack aircraft in the areas of the alleged breakthrough of the defense. The loss of operational command and control of troops haunted us for a long time.
And military operations and our troops took place on Finnish and Khal-Khin-Gol and Khasan. And whether they are mobilized or not is not particularly important. The interaction of different types of troops with well-planned actions and logistics, that's what's important. Our army was larger than the German one. But when we tried to defend ourselves on a wide front, the Wehrmacht concentrated forces in a certain area, creating a multiple superiority. And only when our troops had mobility and parity in aviation, thanks to our military industry, only then did we begin to win.

[hrych]

Quote: NNikolaich

The great success and advancement of fascist Germany in 41 was due to the fact that the German troops were mobilized and went through hostilities in Europe.

The Wehrmacht in Europe smashed the Franks and the Poles, the code did not yet have great experience. In the case of the current war, there is a huge front line, where it is not possible with the available forces to provide the proper number of fighters, armored vehicles and artillery per conventional kilometer of the front. Already now we have enough fighters and commanders with combat experience, it is not enough forces and means for an extended front, given that the enemy is conducting the fifth wave of mobilization and has sufficient saturation with infantry for a conditional kilometer of the front. Combat experience is also not always good. When the meat grinder in which the fighters find themselves, they break morally. Demoralized, defeated units are also sent for reorganization, and therefore, in order to dilute the demoralized. I know several volunteers who traveled with motivation, who barely carried their legs, splashed with the guts and brains of their comrades, and escaped to the front with a single foot. If they are mobilized again, then their combat experience will play the opposite way.

[Konnick]

Now mobilization will eventually give us the same military force, experienced and trained.

Not the times for the infantry to decide something. Experienced force? And where do we have experienced counter-battery or experienced ATGM operators? Did we have a counter-battery fight in the Caucasus, or did the ATGMs stop the Chechen tanks?
More modern weapons, high-precision weapons, armored vehicles and, above all, active aviation are needed.
A simple increase in mobilized will only significantly complicate logistics. I hope that 300 will be in logistics, so that there are no interruptions in combat units, both with supplies, medical care and food.
I repeat again that we and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have artillery defense. There, the main role is played by fire control means for the commands of gunners both themselves and those using UAVs, and of course, a quick change of position.

[Kim]

by itself
but the idiocy of the supreme power took place
despite the fact that the German army arr. 1914 was better than arr. 1941 - the successes of the Germans in WW1 on the Russian front are incomparable
they definitely didn’t go to the Volga, and they didn’t look at Moscow not only through binoculars, but through a telescope

[Konnick]

despite the fact that the German army arr. 1914 was better than arr. 1941 - the successes of the Germans in WW1 on the Russian front are incomparable

Despite the fact that the Germans fought with the "third squad" with the Russian army, it's like comparing German troops near Stalingrad and near Rzhev. Near Rzhev there were the best formations of the Wehrmacht, and near Stalingrad they were diluted with all sorts of satellites. The fact that the German army arr. 1914 was better, then this is nonsense and the defeat of France serves as proof.

[Kim]

Yes, of course, what are you talking about? :)
"The infantry that was in 1914, we now do not even approximately have."

[Konnick]

Yes, of course, what are you talking about? :)
"The infantry that was in 1914, we now do not even approximately have."

in World War II, battles were won not by infantry, but by aircraft and tanks.

[Kim]

thanks, Cap
you just lowered the Soviet power even lower, although it would seem that somewhere else?

[lis-ik]

Quote: flicker

By mobilizing, Putin is changing the status of the war

The status of war is changed by a referendum, not by mobilization.

Only in the event that the words again do not disperse from the deed. To be honest, faith in the words of the guarantor is minimal.

[guest]

Can you explain why the minimum?

[lis-ik]

Quote: guest

Can you explain why the minimum?

Because he never kept his word.

[guest]

And when did Putin personally not keep his word? In his entourage, of course, there are quite a few, I don’t know how to say without violating the local rules, the word of which, of course, cannot be trusted.

[AAC]

It is terrible that everything said in the possible future time with Putin becomes a reality.

[paul3390]

By no means all. Let's say - who spoke about the impossibility of increasing the retirement age? And there are many such examples.

[Pereira]

And someone else said that the Azov people would not be exchanged under any circumstances. A couple of bastards were talking. I don't remember the last name.

[paul3390]

Uh-huh .. And that no one needs Medvedchuk like an entot .. Moral - it’s better not to take important prisoners alive .. Otherwise, they will let you go anyway, not so Duc that way .. And you can exchange your own for ordinary ukrovoyen ..

[Machito]

Quote: paul3390

Uh-huh .. And that no one needs Medvedchuk like an entot .. Moral - it’s better not to take important prisoners alive .. Otherwise, they will let you go anyway, not so Duc that way .. And you can exchange your own for ordinary ukrovoyen ..

As soon as you see it, shoot right away until he has time to raise his hands, the bastard. (C) V. Shukshin.

[guest]

Yes, they did, but Putin personally did not say that.

[Zheka-Filimonov]

So there are already whole collections about mobilization. I liked the call to Peskov's son with a proposal to appear at the draft board

[Gaschey]

VV is a good chess player and his word and deed do not diverge

[man]

VV is a good chess player and his word and deed do not diverge
Just, for God's sake, don't remind this chess player that Russia won all the wars when the enemy reached Moscow

[Dartanian]

The Crimean War was also defensive .....

[Gaschey]

The Crimean War was for the division of spheres of influence in the Middle East and for sea passages.

[Alexander Salenko]

As a person who understands it, I am ready to argue with such a thesis. We started it, don't you remember about Nicholas 1 and the legacy of an old sick man?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

We started it, don't you remember about Nicholas 1 and the legacy of an old sick man?

We also started CBO

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, do not confuse a pencil with a finger. Even formally, we didn’t start the NWO, the dill was literally 40 minutes ahead of us there, and the NWO is a matter of the state’s survival, and the straits to the Crimean were desirable, but not obligatory, that’s how we live without straits since then.

[guest]

But with the straits, life would still be better.

[Alexander Salenko]

Without a doubt, the outcome of Tsushima could have been different.

[hrych]

Stupid term "Crimean War". Rather, the Crimean Front. The war had an equally important Caucasian front, where the Turkish Kars fell. They defended Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky from the Anglo-British landing, the battle in the Baltic, etc. As a result of the war, the Three Empires (British-French-Ottoman) left Sevastopol and the rest of the captured cities of Crimea, and the Russian Empire returned Kars. The Black Sea region was declared neutral, just as the Danube received freedom of navigation. Therefore, there can be no defeat of Russia in that war. Why do they want to emphasize the defeat of Russia by calling the Crimean War, but everything captured in the Crimea, the coalition left and great losses in vain. In the Caucasus, the Baltic and the Far East, coalitions poured in.

[Alexander Salenko]

In general, the Crimean campaign of the Eastern War is correct /. but still the main events took place in the Crimea

[hrych]

No, in the Caucasus. Kars is more important, the ancient city with a thousand-year history and the capital of ancient Armenia. In the Baltic, there is a general threat to the capital of the Empire.

[Alexander Salenko]

Why is he more important? Sevastopol is the base of the fleet, somehow you miss it, and only the Turks fought in the Caucasus, while other allies landed in the Crimea.

[hrych]

Base and base with sailboats, obsolete. More important was Nikolaev with shipyards and it was defended. In total, Sevastopol was defended by less than 50 thousand, and in total in the Crimea we had 85 thousand fighters. The Alliance had 175 thousand, as a result, 130 thousand invaders died. Cheerful "victory". And Kars is not just Kars, it is the control of Armenia, the Caucasian possessions of Osman and the path to Anatolia. The defense of Kars was commanded by a British. And the failure of the Baltic operations (I repeat, the threat to the Capital) is not comparable with the fact that the alliance could not climb deep into the Crimea, so, the bank controlled. Well, I’m NK, but the British, guardians, Sardinians and Turks considered Kars equivalent to everything that was captured in the Crimea. Well, the loss of three-quarters of the army is a disaster.

[Alexander Salenko]

Will I surprise you? In the British fleet, there were also enough such obsolete ships, look at the engravings of that time or written a little later. The fact that the ships were flooded, allegedly because they are old, is a stupid excuse, there the meaning is generally different, as an expert on the Crimean War in Kyrma I say. But the Caucasus, before and after, remained a secondary theater, and the main Danube, in fact, how did the Crimean one begin? Even Alma is 92 thousand participants from both sides. And the option of landing in the Caucasus, only much to the north, was considered by the allies, and just like a landing near Odessa, Nikolaev, by the way, no one considered, and three options for landing in the Crimea near Feodosia, but they considered that it was too far from Sevastopol, on Belbek - too close , and near Evpatoria, where the actual landing took place. And the allied command planned a blitzkrieg, but it was thwarted by the same flooding of the first 7 ships.
The German fleet historian Alfred Stenzel also points out that from Sevastopol you can easily hit any area of ​​the Black Sea, this is not Armenia with underdeveloped communications, but a vast region. He is echoed by the Simferopol researcher of the battles in the Crimea, Sergei Chennyk, who, by the way, is a military man by education, as well as the bearer of the previous surname. What happened was the yelling of diplomats, and precisely if from the very beginning there had been a landing of the forces of the Crimean Corps on the Bosporus and did not begin to hold diplomatic games, everything would definitely have gone differently. He wrote 7 books on the battles in the Crimea and this is the most complete analysis of the battles, unlike the well-known Tarle, or, say, the less well-known Shavshin.
And when the allies got bogged down near Sevastopol after the disruption of the crushing strategy, they had to switch to a policy of exhaustion and they began to resolve issues not in the Caucasus, but carried out their Azov campaign, for example, they burned Mariupol, not Nikolaev.

[hrych]

No need to surprise me. And as a specialist in the Crimean War, he had to admit the incorrectness of the name of the Crimean War, all the more he himself referred to the Danube events. For your brother - he sang along with the Atlanticists - the coast and the sea are the main thing, but for us the main thing is the firmament. True, the same Atlantists are fighting their sea attempts for the sake of capturing the firmament. It was the British who developed the Heartland theory. An attempt to capture the Heartland and led to the death of the British Empire. They unleashed two world wars to capture the Heartland and grunted, but the Heartland is still ours. The results of the Second World War - the death of the Reich, the death of the Japanese Empire and the death of the largest - the British Empire. The Brits are the main losers, after all. And I am not at all interested in the opinion of the German Schnitzel and a certain Ukrainian non-historian Chennik, when there is a peace treaty, where Kars was changed to the Crimean coast, and everything else is entourage. Particularly ridiculous is the point about the neutrality of the Black Sea, which is presented as a heavy cross for Russia. Duc there, not only Russia abstained from the fleet, but this was forbidden to the Turks. Parity. And for the sake of this, to lose a total of up to 170 thousand, though they draw our losses under a hundred, but they forget in their British lies that in general we had only 85 thousand in Crimea and 25 thousand in the Caucasus, where in Kars there was a complete defeat of the enemy, but in the Crimea they didn’t, and they didn’t go deep into the depths and hung them near Nikolaev. Victory is called, only the death of the light brigade is still remembered and crying. The whole British nobility has lost someone from their relatives there. Read not Schnitzel, but the Peace Treaty and there will be an insight.

[Alexander Salenko]

I admitted that you definitely carefully read what they answer to you? I will reveal a secret, not just a specialist, but I earn money on this, commercial. But the question is not in me, well, you want to think so, who does not give you?
We have Atlanticists, as you said, Peter 1 is in the ranks, probably knew something about Berezhok, and Ivan the Terrible can also be included in our Atlantic company, who gave great benefits to the British when trading through Arkhangelsk, if only they traveled.
And if your level is somewhat higher than the school level, it is excusable to think so, it is inexcusable to be mistaken, getting into a dispute and the word sanctions did not appear yesterday and Russia in its historical path often had to suffer from them. Well, for example, there were no wild horses in the forests in Russia and we bought them in Europe in the Middle Ages, we also imported steel in the form of finished products, because you can’t forge anything normal from swamp ores, so there are only two ancient Russian swords, forged somewhere, maybe Slavic, but the vast majority was made on the Rhine, and it was difficult to buy all this in commercial quantities, because our only "gold" is furs and we went to the East, if someone had a Western, then we have an Eastern, namely for fur. By the way, a unique and poorly described phenomenon.
And in the 19th and 20th centuries, the vast majority of Russian exports accounted for Odessa, over 80% and Taganrog in addition, which is why the topic of the straits was so painful and we took part in the First World War because of them, because the blocking of the straits immediately hit the economy . Can you tell me what Kars can give, what did maritime trade give? Yes, in the same WWI, we faced a shortage of coal, which caused our railways to stop, because a significant part of it was purchased in England. Well, after they lost Polish coal, it got really bad and Donbass was just starting to be developed.
Maybe something draws you to the Caucasus, but neither in the war of 1877-78, when Kars was captured for the second time, nor in WWI did the Caucasian theater play the role played by the Danube or European.
As for the Light Brigade, rumors that the color of the British aristocracy died there are greatly exaggerated, the horses there were more thoroughbred than most of their riders. And Churchill's ancestor did not die there either, and the very essence of this battle, from the field of which I just arrived again today, is greatly exaggerated. Let's start off with. that the emphasis is not, well, they shot the cavalrymen, yes, the Inglizi killed them frankly mediocre, I don’t know what they are proud of there, but the key importance of the battle is saddling the Vorontsov road. because of which the British were forced to supply their grouping on Sapun Mountain, making an 11-km detour.
At the end of the war, they hung on the object of the shelling of the Kinburn fortress by battleships, and the Russian return fire did nothing to the French troughs, and what was the point of going deep into the peninsula, although there was preparation after the fall of Sevastopol for such a development of events, if they already achieved their actions?
Their failure in the Azov direction is much more serious, they plundered notably, but they could not cut off the Crimea from the continent. As for parity, what prevented the Turks from introducing their Mediterranean fleet in the event of a boil? And about the losses, only we have a huge cemetery in Simferopol, where, among other things, the soldiers who died on the march, even they are in the first place. Doesn't it bother you that replenishments came, like the Liprandi division, which played in the Battle of Balaklava?
But most of all I was outraged about the Ukrainian non-historian Chennyk, by the way, he himself does not call himself a historian, but his works meet the requirements of scientific research. He has connections with the Russian Ministry of Defense, which helped him with the archive, but in addition to this, he has military awards. For his work, he did not receive regalia, but only the recognition of local historians. you didn’t offend a person for FIG, for which you have a fat minus. This is very disgusting behavior.

[hrych]

I reached the money and did not read further. Danya Milokhin earns more and this is not an indicator. I urge you to read the peace treaty again and calm down. That Kars means nothing to you ... You see, for Osman and the Brits, it means, but not for you .. They pay you in vain. And remember... Crimea is ours right now. Sevastopol is ours. Until batchenya with our TNW.

[Alexander Salenko]

Just mind your own business and you should not get into your own, what a passion for all and sundry to get into history, and even insulting researchers.

[hrych]

This question does not need researchers, let alone charlatans. I repeat once again, read the contract, all the moves are written down there. I just noted that it is incorrect to call the Crimean War because there were many other fronts, where the Crimea was one of them. I noted that for Osman it was the Caucasian front that was more terrible and more threatening to the Metropolis. I noted that the Baltic Front was more terrible and more threatening for the Russian Empire, for the threat to the Capital. These are not my conjectures, like those of pseudo-researchers, but a fact that does not require proof. Crimea for Russia was colonial possessions, before that it was the colonial possessions of Osman. Vershteen? He did not become the colonial possessions of the Britons and Franks, to their regret, and not because, unlike Osman, Kars is so dear to them, but monstrous losses, the failure of the company's plans, an epidemic, supply problems, economic problems, and most importantly, the threat of revenge from Russia, which would have swept away not just the battered remnants, but the demoralized armies of invaders on the brink of disaster. For on dry land, supplies and reinforcements depend little on the weather. If there is any doubt, then the story of the Black Prince is an example when the salary went to the bottom until EPRON raised it and spent it on the needs of the USSR. I see no point in continuing the dialogue. Do not write to me and just get down to business, and do not go where there is no belmes

[Alexander Salenko]

Well then, Tarle is a charlatan, and Bogdanovich. What's in the Paris Treaty? The fact that Sevastopol is changing to Kras, an awesome argument in favor of some kind of regional fortress, against a fortress that allows you to hit all over Crimea.
So I specifically re-read, the third and fourth points, where is the pancake about the significance of Kars dreamer? Once again, mind your own business and you don’t need to meddle in history, they have been studying it at the history department for only 4 years. It's not yours.

[hrych]

Can't you calm down? In addition to Sevastopol, the Crimean coast was left with settlements such as Evpatoria, etc. It seems that it is off the ears. I repeat, the loss of the entire colonial Crimea is not a threat to the Metropolis, so they did not take the Crimea, but only entrenched themselves on the coast. And the Baltic Front is a direct threat to the Capital. Kars is a threat to the Ottoman Metropolis, the lands of the Roman Empire, inherited by the Ottomans from New Rome directly. What's incomprehensible here? Moreover, after the capture of Kars, the Armenian and not only subjects of Osman were ready to rebel. These are millions of subjects, this is a huge share of taxes and the economy. How can you not get into this. And for Russia, Crimea is a recently acquired colony with several tens of thousands of colonists in coastal cities, and it is arable land, gardens, etc. in the depths of the peninsula, and not on the coast. And the shipyards are not in the Crimea, but in Nikolaev. The vast majority of the Crimean Tatar and Turkish population had already been deported to Turkey, and the Armenian question then greatly shook Turkey and ended in genocide. Kars is a city of artisans and merchants since ancient times, trade routes passed through it. Vershteen? The Armenian question, that's what Kars is. And this Kars was divided by the Adrianapol peace treaty, the Paris peace treaty, the San Stefano peace treaty, and already in the 20th century its fate was decided by the Brest and later Kars treaties. Stalin, in the matter of controlling Kars, was opposed by all the "allies" following the results of the Great War. And only a traitor - Khrushchev, after the death of Stalin, abandoned his claims to Kars. Here, what is it? Any darn historian should understand this. Read the peace treaties, everything is written there, what is worth what. All tired. One hell, like peas against the wall and a pot on your head

[hrych]

The number of books read does not give anything, especially if they are Ukrainian and have a saucepan on their heads. On the contrary, if books are flawed, then knowledge is flawed. He especially cited as an example a certain Ukrainian, retired military man, who called himself an amateur historian. Therefore, it is clear where your weak knowledge and complete misunderstanding come from. You can at least study, but read a few paragraphs of the Peace Treaty and you will understand that you do not own the topic at all. Word

Quote: Salenko

vain

- a direct insult and you apparently cannot even understand the rules of the site. You don’t understand a few lines of the site’s rules, a few lines of a peace treaty, and you also make a specialist.

Quote: Salenko

not a kid

Are you playing for another team? I'm not surprised, all Russophobes turn out to be like that in the end.

[belovvladimir]

Let the West leave its fears to itself, we are defending our world, and the people support the ruler, for their independence, for a clear sky, for the peace of the future generation, for peace in the house, and let the West keep tolerant shorts and all sorts of cookies!

[Wbond]

... unfortunately in life and judging by the article, they do not understand this ... they live in their own "rainbow reality" ... well, that's their problem ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Strange logic. It's not about defense, but about the readiness of the economy, citizens, hands for war

[Yuri Pyagai]

Is it necessary to mobilize for a defensive war? Struck by the logic of NATO experts. And about outwitting: So NATO outwitted the USSR and Russia a long time ago. Back in the late 80s, and throughout the 90s. Including the current president of the Russian Federation.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Cause and effect are confused here. Absolutely most of the wars waged by Russia are defensive wars. Throughout history, we have attacked few people, but all of Europe and Asia have climbed to us for our wealth.
So we had to defend ourselves ... and win!

[Sergei V]

If we consider the territory of Ukraine as our own. By the way, the Ukrainians themselves do not think so

[Pavel73]

Have you recorded all citizens of Ukraine as Ukrainians by nationality? Have they been asked?

[Kim]

yes, let them think whatever
we may (and do) have a different opinion, historically justified

[Dmitry Karabanov]

The impression from recent events is that Putin does not want to wage a defensive war - but to conclude a "obscene peace" with all his might. Moreover, here he himself is talking about Nicholas II - https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/09/21/15494971.shtml
But is it possible that our president, who seems to be proud of his knowledge of history, does not remember that after 1905 comes 1917 ...

[SKVichyakow]

This is where you went wrong. Nobody wants to conclude a "obscene peace" and will not. The stakes are not the same. Yes, and the authorities bit the bit.

[Drotro]

Never say never.
I haven't believed in anything for a long time. Moreover, this uncertainty is only confirmed by the actions of the Russian leadership.
Now they are apparently trying to gain a foothold on those lines that are controlled by Russia and the allies. Nobody takes the threat. Ukraine does not change its goals - its task is to return all the lands, including Crimea. While the leadership of the Russian Federation is fully aware of how many more people they will put. And how does it all end xs. But the result can be absolutely anything, even the most incredible is not excluded.

[Alexander Salenko]

Donbass returned? Yelling does not mean setting a goal, but if they do, it means they are out of touch with reality. Somehow everyone forgets that Crimea is not a garden and someone lives there, and this is about a quarter of a million of those who can be put under arms. Even if cut in half, it's still significant.

[Zefr]

Do you know about everyone?
Nobody needs Medvedchuk for any reason, they said. And then they ran to talk

[Arisaka]

The state says what is advantageous to say momentarily. Not the "truth". And all the Choats take these words at face value. The United States also says "we are not negotiating with terrorists," but the pilots were bought out.

[guest]

Quote: Zefr

Nobody needs Medvedchuk for any reason, they said. And then they ran to talk

And who said that Medvedchuk was exchanged? There were 50 prisoners of war in the news, but Medvedchuk was not mentioned.

[MMX]

Quote: SKVichyakow

This is where you went wrong. Nobody wants to conclude a "obscene peace" and will not. The stakes are not the same. Yes, and the authorities bit the bit.

And what are the rates? I remember that denazification was in our plans there. Have plans changed? So options are possible. Moreover, the recent events with the exchange (where the conditions, apparently, dictated to us), showed that the behind-the-scenes negotiations are in full swing.
So wait after a while for phrases like - "all the goals have been achieved, you can exhale, go home and sit quietly!".

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: MMX

I remember that denazification was in our plans there

Denazification and demilitarization someone canceled? No. If the task in this matter has been set, now what, every time to repeat that no one canceled them? Relax? It is only in a bad institution that you need to be reminded of your work every time.

[MMX]

Quote: SKVichyakow

Quote: MMX

I remember that denazification was in our plans there

Denazification and demilitarization someone canceled? No. If the task in this matter has been set, now what, every time to repeat that no one canceled them? Relax? It is only in a bad institution that you need to be reminded of your work every time.

“The decision on a pre-emptive military operation was absolutely necessary and the only possible one. Its main goal - the liberation of all territories of Donbass - has been and remains unchanged," Putin said.

https://gorod24.online/simferopol/news/267631-putin_zayavil_chto_glavnoy_tselyu_svo_ostaetsya_osvobojdenie_vsey_territorii_donbassa.html

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: MMX

...remain unchanged,” Putin said.

Maybe then you will find and write a link in which he canceled the denazification and demilitarization announced by him earlier?

[MMX]

Quote: SKVichyakow

Quote: MMX

...remain unchanged,” Putin said.

Maybe then you will find and write a link in which he canceled the denazification and demilitarization announced by him earlier?

Or maybe first you will find a link where the aforementioned gentleman explains what "denazification" and "demilitarization" of Ukraine means?

And something after the exchange of "Azov" is somehow not very clear.

[guest]

Quote: MMX

So wait after a while for phrases like - "all the goals have been achieved, you can exhale, go home and sit quietly!".

If it really were so, then no referendums were held.

[paul3390]

I don’t think that after the inclusion of new regions in the Russian Federation, there will be at least some chances for a “obscene peace” ... It seems that our rulers have gone for broke .. Now - only until victory. It's just a matter of defining the criteria.

And as for Nicholas II - yes, our guarantor has notably screwed up .. Putting such a worthless person on a par with Lenin and Stalin is, however, a fierce bastard .. He would also mention Yeltsin with a marked one in a row like the great rulers of Russia ..

[novel66]

oh, otherwise there were no monarchists on the site proving the enduring greatness of Nicholas the bloody

[guest]

Was Poklonskaya herself on the site?

[novel66]

Enough without it, above the roof
Ppppppppppp

[Alexander Antonov_2]

EBN respects our guarantor, of all the rulers of Russia, now only EBN has a huge center, and a branch in Moscow will open soon.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: paul3390

It looks like our rulers have gone for broke.. Now - only until victory. It's just a matter of defining the criteria.

Why then change the "Azovites"?! Ukronazi fighting elite

[Kim]

under Stalin and people ate
really, where is some Nikolashka ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

The impression from recent events is that Putin does not want to wage a defensive war - but by all means conclude a "obscene peace"

when they want to conclude a "obscene peace", they do not hold referendums and are not going to include new territories in their composition.
And by the way, if Putin raises the stakes, he does it in response to the actions of the West. The West once again raised the stakes and Putin responded to them with mobilization and referendums on joining new territories to Russia. This means that there will be no capitulation.

[MMX]

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

The impression from recent events is that Putin does not want to wage a defensive war - but by all means conclude a "obscene peace"

when they want to conclude a "obscene peace", they do not hold referendums and are not going to include new territories in their composition.
And by the way, if Putin raises the stakes, he does it in response to the actions of the West. The West once again raised the stakes and Putin responded to them with mobilization and referendums on joining new territories to Russia. This means that there will be no capitulation.

In general, if we discard all the propaganda husk that pours on us from all the irons, then in fact Russia has lost miserably. Moreover, the final chord (near Kharkov) came out quite humiliating for us.
At the SCO summit, partners (China and India) have already expressed "concern" about the protracted conflict (read, asked if Russia is able to cope with this situation?). Putin had to explain what they are not used to and do not like to do (which was noticeable on the broadcast). In fact, the question was raised about the solvency of Russia. And in the event of further "successes" of the NWO, the support of the Russian Federation from India and China (explicit or implicit), and not only them, could be revised in favor of the other side.
And here I agree with the opinion of a number of Western leaders and the media that referendums and mobilization are essentially gestures of desperation, since the NMD not only began to develop not according to plan, but there was also a risk of a real military defeat of the entire grouping of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine.
Panic has begun among the population in the east and southeast, which we control.
Starting the referendum, Putin "binds" the territories to the Russian Federation and transfers the NVO into a conditionally "patriotic war" with the possibility of mobilization. Along the way, as if legalizing the possibility and likelihood (for "partners" in the West) of the use of nuclear weapons (as spelled out in our nuclear doctrine). Secondly, he is trying to "calm down" the local population.
Will it help? We will only find out with time.

[Kim]

Ukraine will soon lose 4 regions
Russia, respectively, will receive 100 thousand square kilometers
is this a loss to Russia? What do you consider a win then?

[MMX]

Quote from kim

Ukraine will soon lose 4 regions
Russia, respectively, will receive 100 thousand square kilometers
is this a loss to Russia? What do you consider a win then?

Hmm, will this solve the problems of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine? Will the Armed Forces of Ukraine stop shelling Donetsk or the Belgorod region after that?

[Kim]

hm :)
and who says that's it?
so far, these are just nishtyaks from CBO :)
by no means the end
The darkest one said "we haven't started yet"

[MMX]

and who says that's it?

Well, our side does not get tired of repeating at the highest levels that it is ready for negotiations.

so far, these are just nishtyaks from CBO :)

So far, I have not seen any "nishtyakov" from the NWO.

by no means the end

Undoubtedly. Ukrainians say they will not stop until they return all territories (including Crimea).

The darkest one said "we haven't started yet"

Uh-huh, your face when you "took" Kyiv in two weeks

[Kim]

of course ready
every war ends with negotiations
demi and dena - the basis for starting negotiations
Or is it stated differently?
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there will be no NATO and nuclear weapons bases in Ukraine, due to the disappearance of Ukraine itself
instead of taking LDNR with a blitzkrieg and at least trying to attack Crimea, the warriors of light lose 4 regions
and this is not only 3-4 kg of valuable dietary meat ...
moreover, it is not at all a fact that we will limit ourselves to this
Odessa and Nikolaev, at least
in addition - so far at the stuffing level - there is a photo of ballots for ZapUkr, on the question "do you want to become part of Poland"
still unconfirmed photos
but against the background of the statements of the ex-minister of the Romanian Foreign Ministry - purkua would not be pa?
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- Doctor, and here is my neighbor. older than me, says he can 5 times a night
- Well, that's what you say...
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look who first said "Kyiv in 72 hours"
if you don't know, you'll be surprised
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in general, on the one hand, the situation is much better than on 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX - we still managed to preempt
on the other hand, the people are not at all the same, yes, not the same ...

[TIR]

So far, the support of our guys at the fronts is based on military structures and on the support of ordinary citizens. Our society is not homogeneous and is not ready for total war. As is the economy. The fact that there will be a military denouement has been known since 2008. No serious steps have been taken in the economy. Incompetent leadership and nepotism only ruined the economy. So there is nothing to mobilize in the economy. Everything is in the hands of the pacifist oligarchs. How much and what did our oligarchs buy for the army???

[Pravodel]

“Russian President Vladimir Putin, cornered, becomes much more dangerous”

The main mistake of the author is not Putin, but the Anglo-Saxon neo-colonialists - the main danger for Russia and the world as a whole.
Only by defeating and destroying the hornet's nest of the Anglo-Saxon neo-colonialists will the world be able to breathe freely.
Russia must defeat all the advanced detachments of the Anglo-Saxons and win the war with them, and will definitely win.

[paul3390]

Russia must defeat all the advanced detachments of the Anglo-Saxons and win the war with them

For starters, you need to defeat the Anglo-Saxon advance detachments in your own country. For example - in the economic block. And among the alligators. Without this, victory is somehow very doubtful ..

[Repellent]

Quote: paul3390

it is necessary to defeat the advanced detachments of the Anglo-Saxons in their own country. For example - ... among alligators

Maybe among the reptilians?

[paul3390]

Excuse me, isn't it the same thing?

[Alexander Salenko]

Plus, this is a more important war, to defeat all the provocateurs. I have no doubt that we will pull out in Ukraine, but inside, there are fears.

[guest]

That's the problem, that if we don't pull it out inside, then failure awaits in Ukraine.

[Kim]

and after the victory in Ukraine, we will deal with the internal
in general, what is good about war - masks fly off everyone

[guest]

What if the insider sorts things out with us first? We already went through this, moreover, twice in 1917 and 1991. Is it really again on the same rake?

[Kim]

that's just the knowledge of history for this and you need

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: The Truth

Only by defeating, destroying the hornet's nest of the Anglo-Saxon neo-colonialists, the world will be able to breathe freely

far away from the nest the war is on

[tihonmarine]

The American author writes that it would be a big mistake to assume that the advantage of Ukraine and its allies today is reliable and unambiguous.

Well, the New York Times has already started to get it, unlike American and European politicians.

[Alexander Salenko]

In what place, forgive me, does Ukraine win something there? Name at least a clear operational success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although in articles on VO they sinned with such a term, I have not yet seen operational success from the word at all.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, tomorrow they will say that in Russia there is another crisis with missiles. This is just the occupation of territories, and the meaning of military operations is not in defeating the enemy grouping, where we were defeated, can you tell me?

[Silver99]

The West is forgetting the cause-and-effect relationship of Russia's actions, the aggressive NATO bloc is moving towards Russia's borders, and not vice versa. All the squeals of US satellites are untenable. Let's propose to put missile defense and RSD in Cuba, that's what they like.

[Alexander Salenko]

The West understands everything perfectly, it just lost its shores.

[guest]

But the Russian elites also helped the West in this. Not so long ago, Gorbachev and then Yeltsin handed over to them everything they demanded.

[tatra]

How can the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War be united with the NVO of the enemies of the USSR who seized the RSFSR? Then the authorities and the people defended their State from the enemy that attacked it.
Both the Russian people in pre-revolutionary Russia and the Soviet people are the complete opposite of the enemies of the USSR who seized the RSFSR and for 30 years refuse to take responsibility for their seizure of the RSFSR, and everything that they did to Russia and the Russian people.

[Andrey Moskvin]

How do you think it should look like taking responsibility "for the seizure of the RSFSR"?

[tatra]

Yes, a simple admission that they captured the RSFSR during Perestroika, and they have had 30 years of choral cowardly whining "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the Communists' fault."

[Alexander Salenko]

You, as a communist, should understand this, do you want tricky questions? Was the war of 1812 for serfdom? What were the interests of the working masses? Well, compare with the Second World War, where all the people stood up.
With all due respect to Lev Nikolaevich, the people's cudgel of war existed in his imagination, and if you read research on partisan actions, it turns out that the peasants, of course, participated, but did not play the first violin.
For example, it’s a pity I don’t remember the name of that landowner, the peasants set him up. He, the landowner, was a rare goat, well, so the peasants found the corpse of a Frenchman, it’s not difficult, dug up, and then showed the French: look what this ghoul makes us do. Well, that landowner was shot, and he ended up as a hero of the partisan movement. This, Irina, is a class approach, the peasants have nothing to do with it, they didn’t kill the landowner.
I consider the war of 1812 to be Patriotic, but there are two big differences between the two Patriotic Wars, as they say in Odessa. In the second case, despite the mass of both speculators and traitors, the entire people stood up, and in the first, feudal Russia was physically incapable of this. Those peasants who partisans are in the area of ​​hostilities, and, say, the same Ukraine, it was almost not affected by the war, and as the peasant lived there, he continued to live, pay taxes. He could stupidly not notice this war, because nothing has changed in his life.
You pay attention to the class question, I’m not reading your first comment, I’m just commenting for the first time.

[Kapany3]

Quote: flicker

By mobilizing, Putin is changing the status of the war

The status of war is changed by a referendum, not by mobilization.

Quote: Pereira

The analyst either does not know about the referendum, or dismisses it as an unimportant and, from his point of view, illegal event.

it is thanks to the referendum, as a result of which part of Ukraine will become Russia, that the author draws this conclusion.

[filibuster]

I’m not sure that the situation will change much with mobilization, it should have started back in March, but here in VO anyone who until yesterday wrote about the need for mobilization was declared an amateur, an enemy agent, mercilessly minus, don’t be ashamed of you now with the shoulder straps of generals yes marshals?
And Putin’s statements about nuclear weapons this time were definitely not a bluff, if after the referendum the Armed Forces of Ukraine will also try to attack, then I’m almost sure that as a warning there will be a strike on any Yavoriv test site.

[tatra]

Soviet nuclear weapons obviously went to the wrong people. The communists created it to protect their country and people from the attack of enemies. And their enemies use it to threaten other countries to use nuclear weapons against those.

[FenH]

Quote: tatra

Soviet nuclear weapons obviously went to the wrong people.

The communists created it to protect their country

and the people from the attack of enemies. And their enemies use it to threaten other countries to use nuclear weapons against those.

And where is the protected state of the USSR, for which they created?

[tralflot1832]

A purely Russophobic article, with an analysis from a parallel world. With one thought, we, Russia, do not have the right to use nuclear weapons.

[Alexey Polferov]

Quote from Gaschey

VV is a good chess player

In chess there is such a position called PAT, everything goes to it. Russia accepts the LPR-DPR, and the states, respectively, another part of NATO. PAT...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexey Polferov

and the states, respectively, are another part of NATO. PAT..

I think you are right here.

[valentine light]

Probably in the current situation this is one of the good and least bloody options.
If there are no risks of pumping western Ukraine with weapons and revanchist plans, which is likely to happen with the remaining Azov nationalists and others, then it will be even worse in a few years. It is better to complete the defeat of Banderland.

[Andrey Moskvin]

And NATO will border on Russia. This is not a stalemate, but a loss.

[Nuka]

Quote: Alexey Polferov

Quote from Gaschey

VV is a good chess player

In chess there is such a position called PAT, everything goes to it. Russia accepts the LPR-DPR, and the states, respectively, another part of NATO. PAT...

This is not a pat. This will be the beginning of a nuclear war, the end of everything and everyone.
Russia has nowhere to retreat, and the arrogance and greed of the Anglo-Saxons and other Russophobes will not let them stop

[Sergey Drozdov]

We should finish with chess and move on to preference a long time ago ...

[Kim]

yes, a candelabra is better :)
or board on the ears :)

[guest]

A stalemate is actually a draw, but it will still be a defeat for Russia.

[maxim1987]

that is, to Moscow, and then to Berlin?

[valentine light]

quote: "..." the Russian president rethought the armed conflict in Ukraine .."

Here in Russia, the General Staff does the "comprehension" with the assistance of the GRU and the Foreign Intelligence Service and the Russian Security Council.

American fools think and impose on people the opinion that "Putin does not eat or sleep with an eraser in his hand, bending over military maps, he is making plans." :)))

The United States crossed the "red line" by climbing into Ukraine - this is the sphere of interests and security of Russia, and there the related people of Donbass and Novorossia with Eastern Ukraine

[tatra]

Yes, because of the SVO, even pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine will become anti-Russian. You can't do that to "kindred people".

[valentine light]

Bandera's people are not our relatives!
It is necessary to deal with them tougher and note that this is demanded by the people in the comments everywhere and it’s good that we don’t like in Ukraine or in Europe, it’s not “cooks” who run the state and act with restraint and harshness.

[Sergei V]

You write nonsense. The vertical of power in Russia is arranged in such a way that nothing happens without Putin’s personal instructions. By the way, because of this, the army’s hands are tied. And Shoigu is just a props.

[valentine light]

Lie. You have American Bandera propaganda.
"VERTICAL OF POWER", It just implies a hierarchy of departments, and not the bacchanalia of the Makhnovshina, and as in every department we have, the Bureaucracy and the president, unfortunately, cannot do what was planned without agreeing this on the horizontal level of the heads of departments (ministries), who themselves are responsible personally by law for their decisions.

In a word, not the president, the General Staff develops plans.

It might be better if we had a monarchy.

[Nitarius]

They sit behind a puddle .. so let them sit! they will climb to fight for our lands .. we will come to them! And there Alaska will know the way home!

[rocket757]

NYT: The President of the Russian Federation turns the war into a defensive one, and Russia won defensive wars

. Shaw for nonsense???
What defensive war?
We defend our HOMELAND and expel / smash the enemy / invader, ONLY THIS!

[Emil]

Quote: Pereira

Analyst

Yes, what an analyst he is, since he writes "... the advantage of Ukraine and its allies today is reliable and unambiguous."

[fiv]

Appeal to the citizens of Ukraine: run away from there as soon as possible. To Denmark, Germany, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, especially to Finland. Of you, if you stay, they will make parapets of trenches, you will be surrounded by firing points. Turn on your brains and legs, build rafts, saddle your horses and - RUN!!! Stay alive, even if you feel bad for the rest of your days.

[Uprun]

By the way, while we are commenting here, the guys are already in the military registration and enlistment office ..., on mobilization ..., the process has begun ....

[iouris]

The conclusion of the NYT columnist needs to be clarified: the Russians have (always still) won just wars. Wars are just and unjust. Has the NYT admitted that the war is aggressive in nature from the West?
War is a multilevel and multifaceted phenomenon. The smoke of battles is only the visible part of the war. In the war there is a competition of socio-economic (socio-economic) systems (social system) and resources. The progressive social order is victorious. What do we have with this?
Let's say Russia wins the war. But the question arises: under what banner? At the initial stage, the soldiers liberated settlements under the red banner (why do you think?) Then "frightened patriots" appeared. If they come back en masse, then what?
One can ask so many questions that not a single sand will answer.

[NicholasZ]

Praise. Badly. What do these scum know and praise? Weird.

[former soldier]

"the outcome of the war seems more and more distant prospect, and its echoes give the extreme degree of danger."

The system cannot be in a state of unstable equilibrium for a long time. The scales themselves may collapse.

[former soldier]

Quote: tatra

Yes, because of the SVO, even pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine will become anti-Russian. You can't do that to "kindred people".

Typical civil war. Remember our 18-22gg. Compromises are excluded. The war is often worse than the 1st world imperialist. At least one truce was signed between the whites and the reds? Didn't hear or read. But the fate of the peasant rank and file was often simple - if the Reds defeat the Whites, they forgive the prisoners and enroll them in their Red, if the Whites win, then on the contrary, they are enrolled in the White. And if both whites and reds are far away, then they sit in green or at home. What am I for? If the first months of the NMD were unequivocally victorious for us, then the "Eastern Ukrainian Army" would already be advancing on the right bank and the Lviv region. An analogue is Assad's victory in Syria, replenishment as you progress. It is not too late for us to implement such a scenario. All that is needed is a convincing powerful offensive. "Gnawing" at 100m per day does not convince potential soldiers of the future "Eastern Ukrainian Army".

[kalita]

And the Poseidons have already surrounded the US coast from the west and east. If anything, then the United States will be washed away and that's it. For the British, one Sarmat is enough. Europe will drift off and keep silent.

[Kuziming]

Quote: flicker

By mobilizing, Putin is changing the status of the war

The status of war is changed by a referendum, not by mobilization.

The status of a war is not changed by a referendum.
There are two options here: either "let's turn the imperialist war into a civil war" V. I. Lenin;
or "brothers and sisters", and a patriotic war with the unity of the front and rear.
But for now, the attitude is somewhat different.
Demonstrative contempt.
Unwillingness to admit their mistakes.
Unwillingness to correct mistakes already made.
Cursing before enemies.
The desire to solve problems with the amount of cannon fodder.
This was already in the Crimean War, when the thin red line of the British stopped the rampart of our infantry with rifle fire.
This was already in the Russian-Japanese, when shimoza crippled ours under Tsushima.
It was in the First World War, when our chains went to barbed wire and machine guns.
"Tell the sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with bricks!"

[former soldier]

Quote: Former soldier

Quote: tatra

Yes, because of the SVO, even pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine will become anti-Russian. You can't do that to "kindred people".

Typical civil war. ..... potential soldiers of the "Eastern Ukrainian Army".

Yes. As many as three comments behind my post have been deleted. I think the Sumerians did not like the "Eastern Ukrainian Army" much. They understand that truth and malice tear them apart.

[Altmann]

Any defensive war must somehow end, and in our case it is just a victory. But it will be a difficult victory. Maybe we will take all of Ukraine and people will disappear. It is difficult, but I would like to see Russian Ukraine, as writers of the 19th century write. Ukraine is something like the Czech Republic and Slovakia