Named the losses of the Russian and Ukrainian armies since the beginning of the special military operation

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the second time since the beginning of the special operation reported the losses of the Russian army in the battles in Ukraine. This was told by the head of the military department Sergei Shoigu.

The Minister of Defense, speaking about the special military operation being carried out on the territory of Donbass and Ukraine, also touched upon the topic of the losses of the Russian and Ukrainian armies. According to him, the losses of the Russian group within the NMD, starting from February 24, 2022, amounted to 5937 people. Shoigu did not provide information on the wounded, but based on the ratio of the dead to the wounded as 1 to 3, their number should be approximately 18-20 thousand. Prior to this, the Ministry of Defense only once spoke about our losses and it happened in March. At that time, we lost 1351 people dead, there were over 3,8 thousand wounded.

I can't say enough about losses. Losses amount to 5937 people. And here again and again I cannot fail to note our guys who courageously do their duty

- the minister said.

Most likely, this figure does not include the losses of the NM units of the DPR and LPR, as well as the "musicians" from the Wagner PMC. The first and second corps of the NM will enter the structure of the Ministry of Defense only after the republics join Russia.

Speaking about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Shoigu noted that today the Ukrainian army has lost half of its personnel, if we count from its initial strength, which at the time of the start of the special military operation was about 200 people. According to him, the losses of Kyiv amount to more than a hundred thousand killed and wounded, while more than 60 people were killed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone. However, the loss of the wounded in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is less than that of the dead, this may be due to the fact that a large number of the wounded were left without assistance and their death as a result of this.

At the initial stage, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were about 201-202 thousand people. During this time, more than 100 thousand of their losses. At the same time, the dead - 61 thousand 207 people and the wounded - 49 thousand 368 people

- added the head of the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Nexcom]

Thank God that only about 6000 of our guys died.
No. I don’t want ours to die any more - by no means!
But, to be honest, doubts gnaw about this figure ....

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Nexcom

Thank God that only about 6000 of our guys died.
No. I don’t want ours to die any more - by no means!
But, to be honest, doubts gnaw about this figure ....

And I trust our leadership. Approximately so I thought that 1: to 10 Ukrainians. Otherwise, there would have been a sea of ​​videos from Ukrainians, but they were only massive in the spring.

[dmi.pris1]

A low bow to the soldiers who died for our Motherland, Russia .. Respect for their parents .. In Smolensk there is a square in memory of the Heroes of the Patriotic Wars. they fulfilled their duty in full, and did not spare their lives for it. Read and repeat their names. And how they learn to serve the Fatherland.

[musorg]

Very correct words are embossed there!

[dzuar saubarag]

Yes, there really are such words. On the red marble of a steel-gray color, the letters ... Dmitry, is it a fellow countryman? From Smolensk?

[dmi.pris1]

I lived in Smolensk for almost half a century. Ten years ago I moved to the Kuban

[Zoer]

1:17 actually works. Although 1:10 is a bedtime story. In no other conflict in the history of such ratios was not and is not.
Believe more. Amen...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Zoer

1:17 actually works.

Does not work. Read the article carefully and divide the 60 dead banderlogs into 000 dead in the RF Armed Forces.

[Zug]

This is without DLN-LNR sheep and volunteers.

[engineer74]

Quote: Zoer

1:17 actually works. Although 1:10 is a bedtime story. In no other conflict in the history of such ratios was not and is not.
Believe more. Amen...

EMNIP, in 1991 "Desert Storm":
Expected losses 1:10000
Actual 1:5000
According to American data, of course

[yuriy55]

EMNIP, so you indicate what these losses were:

Based on various sources, the total losses of foreign forces in Iraq range from 6 to 15 thousand people killed.

According to some estimates, the Iraqi army and other security forces lost 17 people killed and another 690 fighters loyal to the new government militias.
Civilian casualties - the largest number was named by Opinion Research Business in August 2007. According to her, by this time, from 733 to 158 Iraqi civilians had become victims of the war. In January 1, these figures were adjusted based on additional data to range from 446 to 063 dead.

[Fitter65]

Quote: engineer74

EMNIP, in 1991 "Desert Storm":
Expected losses 1:10000
Actual 1:5000
According to American data, of course

Well, what are you, how can you not believe the most dishonest and democratic. I remember they reported that they lost only about 400 aircraft during the Korean War. and more than half in flight accidents. And their rescue service, having decided to show its significance, reported that during the war in Korea, more than a thousand crews were rescued from behind the front line by our service ... True, after some time, an amendment was made to the report - about a thousand crew members ... But here's how - something like this...

[Vladimirsky]

6000 dead of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation + about the same amount (if not more) will be given by the Russian Guard, Wagnerites and LDNR troops .....

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

In May, the DPR published data - about 1000 dead, 2000 wounded.

[Herman 4223]

In the summer there were 2400 killed. According to the DNR.

[ammunition]

Quote: Vladimirsky

6000 dead of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Shoigu announced the loss figures that were provided to him in the reports by his subordinates. IMHO..

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Zoer

In no other conflict in the history of such ratios was not and is not.

So after all, there have never been such conflicts in the entire history - without frontal attacks, bulks, assaults and mass hand-to-hand combat with sapper shovels. But it was in them that the lion's share of the loss of manpower took place.
And slowly dismantling the enemy's defense from cover - here it is quite possible to preserve the maximum l / s.

[Zoer]

And what about the first weeks of the NWO?
And in Mariupol, when they stormed urban development with infantry and armored personnel carriers, which RPGs were smashed, how was it?
And you might think that the raguli have no art, and intelligence and spotters. No need to fantasize, de we disassemble, and they sit and wait.

[Santa Fe]

And what about the first weeks of the NWO?

The enemy used small arms and grenade launchers, against the columns of our troops in the stowed position - 1500 dead according to the Ministry of Defense for the first month

The next six months of combined arms combat, the enemy began to use tanks, rocket launchers, highmars and 155 mm artillery

[Zoer]

Quote: Santa Fe

The enemy used small arms and grenade launchers, against the columns of our troops in the stowed position - 1500 dead according to the Ministry of Defense for the first month

Didn't he use heavy artillery and tanks? Oh well...

[musorg]

You don't know Ukrainian history well, read Suvorov first!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Zoer

1:17 actually works. Although 1:10 is a bedtime story. In no other conflict in the history of such ratios was not and is not.
Believe more. Amen...

There is no 1:10 there. 6000 is the loss of the RF Armed Forces, excluding mercenaries from PMCs and militias.
If you add them, then it will come out somewhere 1: 4, and this, given the air and artillery advantage of the Russian Federation, is quite plausible estimates.
In the Arab-Israeli wars, the loss ratio also varied from 1:4 to 1:6.

[Dart2027]

Quote: And Us Rat

these are the losses of the RF Armed Forces, excluding mercenaries from PMCs and militias.
If you add them

The question is how much the APU actually lost. When Caliber or Iskander arrives at the barracks on the other side, it is difficult to take into account all the dead.

[Rokot]

If both sides are approximately equal, then - fables, but if one side is superior to the second, then it is already quite itself. If Ukraine, for example, had comparable aviation, they looked at a different alignment

[Alemax]

Almost all modern military conflicts have this ratio. What is Yugoslavia, what is Iraq, etc.

[Luenkov]

1:10 you get ... And if you don’t bposat near Kyiv with a bang ... then 1:20 shone.

[Ludmila Myshkina]

They consider their own to be multiplied by at least two. Divide the enemy by up to two

[Iline]

Official data on losses since the beginning of the operation in the Saratov region to date

To date, the death of 122 residents of the Saratov region, who were performing military duty on the territory of Ukraine, has been officially confirmed.

https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2022/09/21/na-territorii-ykrainy-pogib-specnazovec-iz-krasnoarmeyska.
Considering that this region is not the largest in Russia, it is somehow vaguely believed in the announced figures.

[Victor jnnjdfy]

If we start from the population of the Saratov region, then the total loss of those killed (armed forces, NG, volunteers) of Russia is 7 people. The area is not small. The population of Russia is 750 million, and the population of the region is 150 million people.
If, as they write below, in the Yaroslavl region. 40 people died, then the total losses for the dead is 4.
It turns out that ours do not lie and take care of the personnel.
Warriors from Donetsk and Lugansk, I believe, about 5.5 thousand died.
It so happened that I know, for example, that in a village near Ivano-Frankivsk (2 inhabitants) three corpses of "zahisniks" were brought in one day.

[Iline]

I do not argue with your arguments. Most likely, this is the case in the economy of the regions. If the people have nowhere to work, but they want to eat, then they find a way out in the contract service. Hence such contrasting figures of losses by region. I won't be surprised if the losses of the natives of Moscow, for example, also turn out to be lower.

[Victor jnnjdfy]

Not only the economy, but also the mentality of the inhabitants of various regions. And also the location of the PPD of military units. The losses of the inhabitants of Moscow are low, in Pskov or Tula, I believe they will be relatively high.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Quote: Nexcom

Thank God that only about 6000 of our guys died.
No. I don’t want ours to die any more - by no means!
But, to be honest, doubts gnaw about this figure ....

And I trust our leadership. Approximately so I thought that 1: to 10 Ukrainians. Otherwise, there would have been a sea of ​​videos from Ukrainians, but they were only massive in the spring.

And what about Zaluzhny's data as of 1.7.2022:
"In response to a request from the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine about the losses of the Ukrainian army since the start of the special operation, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine issued information about almost 130 people who were out of action. due to the injuries of 1 people, 2022 soldiers were taken prisoner and another 76640 were missing. The document notes that these are only the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the losses of other law enforcement agencies were not taken into account when compiling it."

Strange, isn't it? It doesn’t occur to anyone that Shoigu announced the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine only on the line of contact of hostilities, and Zaluzhny announced all the losses - on the line of contact and deep in the rear (for example, only Zaluzhny knows how many people died after the rocket arrived in Ivano-Frankivsk).

You do not need to be seven spans in the forehead to determine for a long time:
- up to three hundred people a day die on the line of contact;
- from Russian strikes on the rear at least 150 more people a day.

Thus, for 210 days of the operation (as of September 21.9.2022, 210), there were at least 450 * 94 = 500 dead.

For every two deaths, there is one disabled person. If we multiply 49 * 368, we get 2. As you can see, it is very close to the calculated 98 and quite corresponds to 736 who died on July 94, 500 from Zaluzhny.

[Egoza]

Quote: Nexcom

But, to be honest, doubts gnaw about this figure ....

The main thing is that this figure does not increase much. No data on prisoners yet. There is no doubt that the ukrovoyaks will survive in captivity, but who knows what will happen to our guys.

[Nexcom]

Wow, Elena! You completely understood everything. That's why I doubted about the announced figure because of those who are in Svidomite captivity ....

[Zoer]

Quote: Nexcom

because of those who are in Svidomite captivity ....

Add more missing and unidentified ...

[AdAstra]

Yes, everyone knows what happens to our prisoners.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Egoza

There is no doubt that the ukrovoyaks will survive in captivity

Well, this is if the Sumerians themselves do not intervene :))
Over there, for two shelling of Yelenovka, the ukrovermacht sawed out almost a company of its own warriors behind bars ...

[Zoer]

Quote: Egoza

There is no doubt that the ukrovoyaks will survive in captivity,

You don't know musicians well...

[neworange88]

At the initial stage, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were about 201-202 thousand people. During this time, more than 100 thousand of their losses. At the same time, the dead - 61 thousand 207 people and the wounded - 49 thousand 368 people

- added the head of the Ministry of Defense.

Well, let's say I believe in a loss ratio of 1 to 10. And so I would add zero for reliability. But this is purely my assumption. It is clear that no one has exact data.

This week, official data appeared on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the report of Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny to NSDC Secretary Danilov. According to this report, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 76 dead, 640 wounded, 42 prisoners, 704 missing and 7 non-combat losses. However, one must also take into account the fact that Zaluzhny provides data exclusively on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in addition to this, national formations are involved in hostilities, many of which belong to the National Guard, and this is a completely different department. And the territorial defense units are actively sent to the front, with which the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been diligently plugging holes on the front lines lately. As a result of this, the defense industry suffers quite serious losses, but they are also not reflected in the statistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Therefore, 76 dead, 122 irretrievable losses and 191 total losses, along with the wounded, are not the total losses of Ukrainian forces on the fronts.

The total losses are likely to be one and a half to two times greater.

However, even the 122 thousand irretrievable losses indicated in the Zaluzhny report are a lot for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is almost half of the original payroll (280 thousand).

https://amfora.livejournal.com/771444.html

And these are only understated data from the Armed Forces of Ukraine themselves, relevant for the time being 2-3 months ago.

There are few wounded in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the reason for which are domestic injuries.

Also, the wounds received during the hostilities are forced to be registered as domestic injuries in order not to pay the required benefits: the command puts pressure on both the doctors and the military themselves.

Let's remind, about mass re-equipment of civil hospitals in military hospitals in Nikolaev the mayor of the city of Snigirevka of the Nikolaev area controlled by Russia reported earlier.


Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1663732805

[Sergey Egorov_3]

the governors report when the funeral takes place, about 40 people died in our Yar region, in principle, there should be approximately such losses, but he most likely does not consider the LDNR, they have their own statistics until their units become part of the Russian army

[Squelcher]

Read between the lines is only the armed forces, and the security forces, and the volunteers? And what about those mobilized from the DNR and LNR? They are not talked about, but these are also our losses. Good luck guys at the front in the fight against the reptile of Ukrainian-NATO neo-Nazism.

[Speedy]

The National Guard is subordinate to the army command in the NVO zone. So they count. Volunteers sign a contract with the MoD so that too. Exceptions are volunteers in the republics.

[Plate]

Quote: Nexcom

Thank God that only about 6000 of our guys died.

In my opinion, this is, to put it mildly, dofiga.

[Nexcom]

yes, a lot. But thank God that it’s not 60, and even more so, not 000 - that’s what was meant.

[Plate]

Quote: Nexcom

But thank God that it’s not 60, and even more so, not 000 - that’s what was meant.

Well, 60 would have been just prohibitive losses. Even 000 is half of what was lost in 6 years of the Afghan war. And this is for 000 months. Now it is unlikely that this should be done, but when all this is over, the command will have to ask very serious questions.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Plate:
Dmitry Karabanov:
Smart ass:

Even 6 is half of what was lost in 000 years of the Afghan war

—-Afghanistan - quasi-colonial, expeditionary counter-guerrilla warfare. There were no trenches and trenches, fortified areas, or heavy enemy equipment.

--- Comparison of the losses of the Afghan and Ukrainian wars is fundamentally wrong.

[Plate]

What difference does it make what was there? I mean, even this people experienced hard, as far as I know. And since then, we've only softened. What will be the reaction now?

[Santa Fe]

And since then we've only softened

On the contrary, we have become psychologically stronger

Remember how the whole country was worried about the fate of 118 Kursk submariners. And how everyone quickly forgot about Moscow, with a regular crew of 500 people.

[alexey sidykin]

We are used to deaths on the roads and don’t worry about it at all ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: Nexcom

I don’t want ours to be killed more

no one wants and therefore they announce not a general but a partial mobilization. After all, if you take everyone like in Ukraine, then the loss figures would be an order of magnitude higher + public outcry, since in Russia, unlike Ukraine with total ukrocensorship, you can’t hide such losses.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Nexcom

Thank God that only about 6000 of our guys were killed

Do not mention the name of the Lord in vain! I don’t know about anyone; but your phrase nevertheless jarred me!

[Nexcom]

And I'm baptized. And by no means for the red word mentioned.

[Prometey]

According to my assumptions, it was 9000. It is good that if the figure of the Ministry of Defense is correct.

[smart ass]

During the 10 years of the war in Afghanistan, 15 thousand died

[Ludmila Myshkina]

multiply by at least two. official figures for their losses are always underestimated. and two only because on the front lines, mainly called up from the DPR, LPR, Wagnerites, Cossacks, and other volunteers

[seacap]

Thank God that only about 6000 of our guys died.

Don't blaspheme here. And I do not advise, at least on this site, to throw words freely and freely operate with loss figures. Many veterans of the military base communicate here, who know the price of losing each soldier, their subordinate and comrade, crew member, not everyone can correctly understand the meaning of your words, tb. for some reason, you state it somehow clumsily and not quite in Russian, allowing for a double interpretation in such a sensitive issue. 6000 is a lot, moreover, it is unacceptable and critically much, and even considering that these are personnel and professionally trained military personnel, and even considering that in the end, in 7 months of fighting.

[Ritter Runkel]

Maskirowka
"Denn niemand wird und nichts soll vergessen werden.
Dicht überzogen Obelisken die Erde, ewige Feuer flammten auf,es senkten sich Fahnen....
Und in der Fahnen Rot
leuchtet das Gedenken:
Erhaben...
Sergey Polikarpow

[g1v2]

This is MO. Plus, the losses of the corps of the NM of the republics were published. Plus some number of National Guardsmen and musicians. But in any case, the numbers are quite acceptable. They show that they care about people.

[Elena Zakharova]

Shoigu incorrectly announced the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The figures indicated by him do not include those who remained lying in the fields and forest plantations.
In reality, no one counted them, but there are thousands and thousands.

[Shark Lover]

I already wrote recently, listened to Kazakov, he spoke on losses. It was a month and a half ago. In the Russian Federation there were about 3500 two hundredths, in the DPR 2500, the LPR was smaller, about 1500. PMCs did not speak. And I also looked at the table, the numbers roughly coincide for the dead, one surprised me, the ratio of the wounded to the dead is 1; 5, and not 1; 3, as is commonly believed. Apparently a lot of explosive and shrapnel wounds. This is ours. Moreover, the peak of losses was in March-April, then it went down. I saw the table in the cart, I won’t tell anyone, I don’t remember exactly. 90% of the wounded return to duty, this is already at Poddubny in the cart. Our doctors, a low bow to them, a bow also to the guys who immediately provide first aid and evacuate on time.

[Beetle1991]

Missing people are not mentioned, most of them have already died. LDNR, musicians, the Russian Guard also have wounded, missing and killed.
No mention was made of the number of prisoners.

This is a "big war", the losses on all sides are corresponding. She goes 7 months.
Just like that, in the first wave of mobilization, 300.000 military experts will not be mobilized.

[sentaniel]

Probably this loss figure is only MO. Losses of LDNR, PMCs, etc. are not taken into account.

[Alexander Minkin]

And you read pediviki: 5000 Ukrainians died there, we have 70000-80000

[Trapp1st]

losses of the Russian group within the NWO, starting from February 24, 2022, amounted to 5937 people.

Eternal memory to the fallen heroes.

[SKVichyakow]

The main thing is that they should not be in vain and forgotten. Honor and praise to them.

[Tjecktjeck]

I am tormented by vague doubts. Even without taking into account PMCs and mobiles.

[Trapp1st]

Even without taking into account PMCs and mobiles

And without the Interior Ministry and volunteers.

[Trapp1st]

Cossack formations and other regional divisions

Of course, I can be mistaken in something, but the Cossacks are citizens cooperating with various law enforcement agencies from the traffic police to the RF Armed Forces, the regional ones are volunteers in the RF Armed Forces.

[Uprun]

If, of course, there will be much more with the allied forces and PMCs ...., unfortunately ...., but we have what we have, we need to go further ...

[Mikhail Sidorov]

only killed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost over 60 thousand people.

Well, that's how good it is when they tell the truth.

[Marine engineer]

"... the losses of the Russian group within the NWO, starting from February 24, 2022, amounted to 5937 people."

Losses of allies, I think no less.

[Speedy]

Losses of the DPR military and civilian in the public domain.

[Vladimirsky]

in addition to the allies, there are also losses of the National Guard (in the first 2 months - huge) + Akhmat-brigades definitely did not avoid losses, and the Wagnerites are also, unfortunately, not immortal ..

[dimbasic]

the third time, the first was a week later

[rocket757]

The terrible statistics of the WAR ... and whatever you call it, these "statistics" will increase!

[pharmacist]

At the expense of our losses - still back and forth, but to understand the losses of the enemy, probably, you can only approximately; even after the war, it will take a long time to count and understand. Plus, as I understand it, there were no casualties among the civilian population ...

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Zoer

1:17 actually works. Although 1:10 is a bedtime story. In no other conflict in the history of such ratios was not and is not.
Believe more. Amen...

Believe no more. Sign up as a volunteer to get confirmation straight from the front. If you stay alive, report back.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

Six thousand direct losses, plus no less for volunteers, guardsmen and "musicians". Accordingly, about half a thousand more wounded. Yes, the losses are comparable to the entire Afghan campaign. Well, now someone else doubts that a real war is going on, and "Ukrainians" are not peasants with pitchforks at all? I hope our command understands that we are confronted by a strong enemy with the support of the entire NATO - so "hatting" is inappropriate here! And how not to remember V.I. Lenin with his "better less - but better." I hope that the announced mobilization will be accompanied by work to saturate the LBS with military equipment and organize a modern military infrastructure (and not the unknown "NOR regime"). Well, at least a partial transfer of the country's life to a "military track" is vital, with the expulsion of the IMF puppets and any "liberals" from public life from the Government!

[bulat]

The ratio of wounded to dead is about one to three.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

Well, now someone else doubts that a real war is going on, and "Ukrainians" are not peasants with pitchforks at all?

But no one thinks so :)) What you described was before 2016-17 ... eight rifles for the entire battalion - the last cartridge in each rifle.
And now they are frenzied warriors, armed to the teeth with NATO weapons, and with the support of this entire NATO bloc. Therefore, of course, no hats, except to keep the head from the cold!

[Bagatur]

5937 ...??? Too good to be believed!

[Zheka-Filimonov]

And how many were missing? And 500x? 300x?

[Sergej1972]

In each subject of the federation, the funeral of dead soldiers is always reported. If you sum up the numbers, then this is what happens. Naturally, these are only the losses of the RF Ministry of Defense. This does not take into account the losses of the People's Militia of the LDNR, PMCs. As for the National Guard, I don’t know for sure whether its losses are taken into account separately or together with the Armed Forces.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
Let's remember all by name,
heartbroken
remember
his ...
It is necessary -
not dead!
This is necessary -
alive!
Recall
proudly and directly
dead in the fight ...
There is
great right:
forget
About Me!...

***

[Negruz]

Not the second, but the third....
The first was after the first week, the second - after 4 weeks ....

[Vladimir M]

As Shoigu said, we have almost all the brigades of the ground forces of constant combat readiness, and I received a bunch of minuses for doubting the staffing of these brigades according to the "wartime" states. Wikipedia says that in the ground forces we have 280 thousand personnel (I admit that Wikipedia is lying), now they want to call on another 300 thousand - the question is where to send this number and where to get all the equipment for this? Form new teams and take equipment from storage?

[Nastia makarova]

this will mainly be for equipment from storage, some will be sent to active troops

[Vladimir M]

It is one thing to understaff the existing brigades (Shoigu said that in the active brigades of the SV of constant combat readiness and everything is fine in them - there are enough personnel and equipment), it is another matter to complete new units and what condition the equipment is in storage.

[Nastia makarova]

mobilized will not be immediately thrown to the front, they will be trained for several months, there the equipment will come up from storage

[Sergej1972]

This is the strength of the Ground Forces as a branch of the armed forces. And we have ground units outside the Ground Forces. These are motorized rifle, tank, rocket and artillery regiments and brigades of the Northern Fleet, the Black Sea Fleet (in the Crimea), the Baltic Fleet (in the Kaliningrad region). And we're not talking about the Marine Corps. Plus, the Airborne Forces, which in the armies of most countries are part of the Ground Forces, we have a separate branch of the Armed Forces (along with the Strategic Missile Forces).

[Vladimirsky]

Konashenkov rounds off every day the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 200-300-400 in one hit? once a week good luck maybe, but daily 6 months? it is unreal, therefore there is no faith.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vladimirsky

Konashenkov rounds up every day of the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

And how to count them with an accuracy of 1 person?

[Vladimir M]

He also managed to calculate the percentage.

[Shark Lover]

There is a footnote, the losses are predicted. He doesn’t lie, there is a methodology for calculating losses per volley, projectile, bullets, protrusion, etc.

[tank64rus]

A photo of Zaluzhny's report to Zelensky's office was published. There, the numbers are somewhat different - 76 tons of 42th and XNUMX tons of wounded. The note there indicates that this is without taking into account the losses of the defense and other power structures. So, the ratio of losses is observed in this matter.

[Urs]

I agree, the numbers are quite natural, forgive me the dead .Honour to them and respect.
But war is war here, there is no such thing as casualties. Of course, taking into account the total losses, the figure must be increased by at least two. But still, the losses are not as high as the liberals and all sorts of anti-war clowns squealed.
I hope that partial mobilization will not cause a wave of "anti-war" and the selection will not be based on the principle of everyone in the "furnace". I remember how recruits arrived in my company, there are no normal words at all.

[faiver]

Rest in peace to our fallen soldiers....

[Vladimirsky]

We need to face the truth: 5937 dead of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation + about the same amount (if not more) will be given by the National Guard, Wagnerites and LDNR troops .....

[Tagan]

Quote: Zoer

1:17 actually works. Although 1:10 is a bedtime story. In no other conflict in the history of such ratios was not and is not.
Believe more. Amen...

Have you analyzed all conflicts? There were even more ratios.

[TEX-50]

These figures can be speculated forever.

[iz odessy]

it is necessary to understand -5937 these are the military personnel of the Russian Federation. The DPR periodically publishes its losses, I don’t remember the latest data exactly, about 3000, the LPR does not publish, but it can be correlated with the losses of the DPR - this is also 3000. Total - approximately 14. Separately, Shoigu cannot account for them, the loss of guardsmen, the FSB and others. So 000-15 16. There may be 000-40 50 wounded. Serious losses. The more they delay with the build-up of the group in order to capture the territory of the location of the so-called. American "high-precision", as well as with a mobilization resource, the more losses will increase. It is impossible not to note the TOTAL mistake with the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv and from Chernobyl. In fact, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the government of Ukraine have recovered everything for the leadership and are comfortable. Plus advisors. It is clear now that leading from Lviv is not the same

[Belopolyak]

But I don’t believe in it, what anyone tells me, the statistics seem like a spit in the face. All is well, it's a lie. Brother 4 months was in the first 2 days 72 lost out of 90 due to incompetent commanders. Of those with whom he went there, 3 survived, including his brother. His father, my uncle, also went there because of his son. I got into the Bars-10 detachment. In Rostov, when they were before departure, the rear guards were surprised - “Bars-10? Were you all killed? , supposedly I'm lying, but I believe my relatives and I tell it like it is.Listen to your friends who were there and what they say.Also, who has friends who are doctors who were there on business trips or go as volunteers (many who got there once went to help themselves, at their own expense and their stories also do not fit with the statistics).

[Flooding]

Quote: Belopolsky

Brother 4 months was in the first 2 days 72 lost out of 90 due to incompetent commanders. Of those with whom he went there, 3 survived, including his brother.

In what direction?
In what month?

[Belopolyak]

Mid-May to mid-September. The directions are different, he was not in one place (In general, he was eastern, in the Kherson region he was not). We didn’t talk much at the moment, his own phone disappeared in the first weeks, in the “barracks” (where they were located) from art, it was lucky that everyone was on the way out at that moment. Communication was through a common phone, a regular dialer. Threw a call and called back. Yes, and they were afraid to actively use the connection. Communication sessions are short. He should be back home today or tomorrow.

[Flooding]

Quote: Belopolsky

Directions are different, in one place he was not

I asked specifically about these losses in two days.

Quote: Belopolsky

We didn’t talk much at the moment, his own phone disappeared in the first weeks, in the “barracks” (where they were located) from art, it was lucky that everyone was on the way out at that moment. Communication was through a common phone, a regular dialer. Threw a call and called back. Yes, and they were afraid to actively use the connection. Communication sessions are short

Do you want to say that the figures of losses that you voiced above, he told you by phone?

[Belopolyak]

Vladimir, I didn’t ask for a specific place. I can not say. The date is ...... approximately May 19-23, these days. I can only understand from what he said later that it was either in Donetsk or Luhansk, because. He was not Kherson, but was later in Zaporozhye. And yes, he voiced the numbers of losses on the phone, when he was still sitting in that field, he and with whom he was trying to find connections on the mainland so that they would be recalled from this slaughterhouse. Without cover and meaninglessness of the position. By the way, they eventually retreated, violating the "order" and refused to return (there was no tribunal for this, although the drunk commanders threatened them. And yes, it was drunk. The guys suggested that they go first, and they followed them, they refused). These details were given to me later. I have nothing more to add. To be sure, he talked with his father, an aunt from his native places and Crimean relatives, as well as my own sister. My sister called me that day and asked if I had anyone to contact about this.

[Belopolyak]

Vladimir, I’ll add, specifically about this case that you singled out, my uncle, through the military registration and enlistment office, succeeded in initiating a check of their commanders. I don’t know how it ended, but they started it for sure (well, or they said so, shrugging it off). The fact is that they were sent to an open field to hold a position. Where there were mines and everything was shot through, from that such losses and sought justice through the military registration and enlistment office.

[Flooding]

Quote: Belopolsky

Vladimir, I’ll add, specifically about this case that you singled out, my uncle, through the military registration and enlistment office, succeeded in initiating a check of their commanders. How it ended, I don’t know, but it definitely started.

How could the father know about the losses, no one asked at the military registration and enlistment office?
First, the military registration and enlistment office had to request data on losses, which were reported by the father of the serviceman.
With the loss of 90% of the personnel (according to you), none of the higher commanders would ask questions?

Excuse me, Belopolyak, but your every comment raises a lot of questions.

[Belopolyak]

Maybe they asked, or maybe not, but no one was punished for it. Say something that yes asked or no, did not ask, I will not. Because I don't know.

[Belopolyak]

If you do not believe my words, let's go if you can find out the fate of the first composition of the Bars-10 detachment. Specifically, I'm talking about the name. You are all skeptics and incredulous, you can only turn a blind eye to the truth that you do not like. Declare a bot or someone else. Dare Bras-10, find out. But the details of the described story, unfortunately, I cannot say everything, firstly, there are no answers to some questions, because they have not been retold. I, unlike you, did not question the words of relatives. Well, since you have already identified my pseudonym of the site (which, by the way, is from the age of 14), well, I will explain from the Belarusian Poles, to be more precise, Polessye, on the paternal side. Therefore, I came up with such a pseudonym for myself on this site. I don’t have any leftist views, just as I don’t associate myself with the “whites” of the times of the revolution.

[Flooding]

Quote: Belopolsky

If you don't believe my words

Quote: Belopolsky

You are all skeptics and incredulous

This is in the order of things.
It's bad to be gullible these days. And when was it good?

Quote: Belopolsky

since you have already identified my site pseudonym (which, by the way, is from the age of 14), well, I’ll explain from Belarusian Poles, to be more precise Polessye, on the paternal side.

You understood correctly.
Willy-nilly attracts attention.
And although your explanation answers an unasked question, you yourself understand what associations the chosen pseudonym evokes.

[Shark Lover]

It’s not that they don’t believe you, it’s just that the situation is like this, I’ll tell you by my own example. Once we had losses, one-time, in 10 minutes 17 people, 200 x, were shot point-blank from an ambush. A week later, they were already talking in Kabul, officers, nurses, employees, that is, those, it seems like first-hand, ..... 56th brigade, listened, recently heaped, a lot of corpses, and the officers are to blame, not cover, no intelligence , in short, they were given to the tribunal. Relatives in the Union, imagine what they said. In fact, the group descended to the armor, they took dry food, bp, water and began to rise, they were already waiting, the armor was gone, that's all. The officer died with them, senior. The combo was removed.

[Belopolyak]

I didn’t hear about such guns, but that they come across mines and they say to go forward, they said. I don't have many stories. Now the check, I talked with the representative, incl. this topic has been touched upon. Said the same as above. She herself served in the border troops (a girl), she has military acquaintances. So she gave an example, an acquaintance who was there, his colleagues, who were also there, are now moving to Kazakhstan with their family. Their commander lies wounded, and many colleagues did not return (they said without numbers). A person has been there and does not want to go there a second time. Well, he is also my brother, they say there are a lot of weapons, they are well equipped. And better than ours! By the way, my brother said that for 5 of our tanks, 1 of them falls. They are equipped so that they do not see them, but they are in full view of them. As she put it on tank losses, well, he didn’t tell her about 5 to 1 (about tanks), but from his words (she already paraphrased) there is 1 to 3, not in our favor. I didn’t want to write this earlier, and there are enough dissatisfied people, they don’t want to listen to something that is not officially broadcast. And let people think about it, they heard about the detachment / company there or they were told, they told it here. So the company is mostly about 100, and I only heard once that they went and everyone returned (after staying for 1 month). In other cases, the losses are not small at best (double digits), but officially, we have almost none.

[Jarilo]

If they had come to the rescue in time, the losses would have been less.
If we didn't have to wait for artillery support for more than an hour, again, there would be fewer losses.

[Brandashmg]

Here is the official Ukrainian point of view on the losses of the Russian Federation

[Roma 1977]

And now let's guess. If the Russian Federation with the LDNR lost 54 dead, then we add about 480 wounded to this figure. Total losses slightly exceed the ALL available composition of the NWO forces. And so on for all other points. Shot down 100 aircraft? Where are their wreckage, where are their pilots? It is clear that a couple of dozen aircraft were indeed lost, and about a dozen pilots were captured. But not really two hundred. What does "lost 000 tanks" mean? Even a damaged tank is not lost, because repairs are often carried out directly in the field. A lost tank is either destroyed / burned out from the inside, or captured by the enemy. Where can you see 251 tanks destroyed or captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[Brandashmg]

I do not comment on the Ukrainian data in any way, it is just infa on the other hand for comparison.
And if we talk about me personally, then I do not believe the official data of either side.

[Dikobraz777]

And how many lost tanks do you think?

[Roma 1977]

Of course, I don't have the information. I can only say that approximately the Ukrainian figure should be divided by 10. If we count the irretrievably lost tanks, and not all the tanks that were shot at and sometimes even hit.

[Vinnibuh]

The design of the site as from a computer toy) and with the information indicated there, there are also questions

[Dugran]

Only Ukrainian data should always be divided (or multiplied) by 10.

[koralevviktor]

Weird. It seems that such fierce battles are going on, and only 6000 dead.

[Roma 1977]

66 dead. Only 000 of them are Ukrainians. This happens when one side has a strong advantage in aviation and artillery. Actually infantry battles are fought in small groups, the main losses are caused by artillery. This is not the First World War, where infantry divisions in full force with attached bayonets were supposed to run across the neutral zone under the fire of many unsuppressed machine guns.

[koralevviktor]

From our side, we get less than 1000 people per month. Just eureka. In NATO, everyone is probably shaking.

[iouris]

The greatest losses, most likely, at "militia". In addition, the announced figure does not take into account the losses of units of other departments.
(There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics...)

[Sergei Lyakhovsky]

Now even more will fall on ours, they will answer with theirs

[Altmann]

One of the tasks of the campaign is the small losses of their units and the immediate removal to the hospital. It's a rule, it's not true that we don't have the exact number of soldiers. However, I do not have exact information about the volunteers, while this is true.

[Gas smoke protector]

How can one trust these figures, if even a week has not passed, as some official (not of a small scale) claimed that there would be no mobilization?

[Roma 1977]

Probably, Putin does not report his thoughts to all officials in advance.

[Gas smoke protector]

In this case, not too much, not too little, and his right hand has no information. I think it's not Mr. Peskov's fantasies that were voiced.

[antiput]

He voiced only the loss of defense mines, most likely. The losses of the Russian Guard of the FSB of the Wagner volunteers are not known

[Semenov]

In fact, WWII losses d. b. 1:3 killed : wounded. And here there are more killed, somehow it does not fit with historical data.

[Roma 1977]

This probably means severe wounds, after which the fitness for military service becomes limited.

[Sagetaus]

6000 - such a figure will be typed from the photo-video materials filmed by the Ukrainians alone.
It is clear that these "6000" do not take into account the Ldnrovites, but meanwhile they have been mowed down to the net, there is no one else to call. So we think by how much to multiply these 6 thousand to get total losses, by 10, 20 or still 30.

PS Ukraine also apparently has greatly underestimated losses, the case when the General Staff made a mistake not in their favor, due to lack of information due to the specifics of the database of recent months

[Drleavesee]

In the first 5 days alone, Konashenkov announced losses of almost 500 people. Surprising commentators who believe that the attacking army suffers losses 1:10 relative to the defending one, it turns out not even the second army in the world, but at least the first. Apparently that's why they decided to mobilize, yeah.

[Chever]

And if they lost so little, then why did they start mobilization, m? Chasing with numbers, and only

[ALARI]

Most of all they lie in WAR, FISHING and HUNTING, and of course we believe the Ministry of Defense, led by the military personnel Shoigu.

[NERV]

Quote: musorg

You don't know Ukrainian history well, read Suvorov first!

Suvorov - still that rogue was ...

[Andrey A]

And on the other hand, if the author takes the losses of the DPR and LPR corps beyond our losses and considers their losses separately, then the losses inflicted by these corps on units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should also be considered separately ... If so, then it would be quite acceptable to assume that the total the loss of the killed in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is much more than 60 thousand people and is approaching - 100 thousand people (due to unaccounted for losses from the troops of the DPR and LPR), especially since our Minister of Defense could not count the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in September (a month is still going on). ..

[UAZ 452]

Believe me - no one ever underestimates the losses of the enemy. Usually, a boosting factor is also introduced.

[Andrey A]

I did not claim that Shoigu underestimates the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but, you yourself wrote here that we, most likely, do not take into account the statistics: the corps of the LPR and the DPR, possibly the Wagnerites and the National Guard, etc. It was directly noted here that the losses of the militias from the LPR and the DPR are significant, which means they fought very actively and the losses of the enemy must also be significant ... Shoigu reported to his department. - Our losses in killed are 6 thousand, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 10 times more ... Everything is logical ... It was written here that the losses of the DPR were 3 thousand killed, the losses of the LPR, presumably, no less ... With a ratio of one to 10, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine killed by - 60 thousand people are higher than those declared by Shoigu, i.e. 120 thousand is the minimum. Together with the wounded, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can reach - 360 thousand people, which is in good agreement with the number of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in reality, on the front line: 200-250 thousand ... And where are the rest? - Knocked out.

[UAZ 452]

I have no doubt that the Ukrainian losses are given without distinction - by whom, by what formations they were inflicted. As for the multiplying factor, I don’t want to speculate, but if we take Konashenkov’s reports, then we have already destroyed Ukrainian aviation twice, including everything that was supplied to them from Eastern Europe, but every day we somehow destroy more and more new aircraft.

[Andrey A]

Well, so, perhaps, we are destroying aircraft not delivered from Europe. And so, I repeat: Shoigu cited data on losses, where the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 10 times more than Russian ones, the losses of the LNR and the DNR are another 6 thousand, respectively, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are another 60 thousand ... Such is the logic ...

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Republics publish weekly losses, with cumulative losses for the entire period. As of June, 2057 bangs were killed in the DPR... It is clear that there are still missing people and those killed in captivity by the Nazis.
Somewhere around 5000 died in the DPR and LPR. Ours has about 15000, with the National Guard, border guards, the FSB, sailors, including those missing and killed by the Nazis in captivity.
In total, about 25000 ... Irretrievable, including deserters and prisoners, about 100000 people.

[Andrey A]

If the losses of the LPR are 2057 people in June, then they lose approx. 500 people, in six months - 3000 people, as it was written here, respectively, there is no need to revise the numbers of losses of our military personnel, which were published by S. Shoigu (about 6 thousand people) ... Losses of the DPR and LPR - another 6 thousand, losses APU - 10 times more (120 thousand killed) ... Something like that ....

[Ludmila Myshkina]

why are the media and Shoigu and other high-ranking people silent about the exchange? Why is everything not known from official sources? probably need to take information from Turkish. in Russian - silence. the Ukrainian side is celebrating in full. Of course, 108 Azov people were released. there are 5 of them leaders (kalyna, radish, including Volyn) whom they promised to betray to the tribunal. in short zrada on zrada

[UAZ 452]

If the figure is true, then it does not include not only the losses of PMCs and LDNR, but also the Russian Guard, sobrs and riot police, Chechens and other hodgepodge. It is not clear whether those who died from wounds or went missing were included in this figure.

[Sergej1972]

SOBR and OMON are also part of the National Guard.

[UAZ 452]

And accordingly, the Ministry of Defense does not include their losses in their reports.

[Scientist_]

over 60 people were killed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone

"Write more, why should their infidels regret." How is it known how many of them died if the front has long stood still and it is impossible to count their bodies on the battlefield?

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

And you don’t count those who die in the rear ... Although 60000 is correct only on the front line, to a depth of 40-50 km. All that died in the rear, at the Yarovskoye Pogon and other similar places, is in excess of these 60000.

[DeGreen]

According to American online publications, the loss of Ukrainians, only those killed, is over 160

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

160000 is too much ... But 80000-100000 including mercenaries, PMCs and others will be approximately typed.

[DeGreen]

I do not argue. I just posted what I read.

[Glagol1]

The losses of the LDNR are probably close to those of the army, it is not clear what is happening with the losses of the National Guard, and PMCs are not published. Plus the missing and prisoners, some of whom are no longer alive. So there will be 12 - 15 thousand per circle, i.e. Afghanistan...
Only there for 8 years, and here for 7 months. Plus the wounded. And repressed civilians. Very hard.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

In Afghanistan, it was mainly aviation that fought there, and skirmishes in the passes.
On our side, 250000 people are fighting ... Well, this is approximately the front ...
Take, well, not for that 41, but for 43 years of the loss of a thread of the 1st Ukrainian front from February to September.

[DeGreen]

What repressed civilians?

[Dikobraz777]

Quote: Roma-1977

Of course, I don't have the information. I can only say that approximately the Ukrainian figure should be divided by 10. If we count the irretrievably lost tanks, and not all the tanks that were shot at and sometimes even hit.

Well, that is, you want to say 200? But the problem is that there are almost 400 tanks confirmed from photos and videos of captured tanks. They are definitely lost forever.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

And how did you count the photo of 400 tanks? Is there a compilation somewhere? Would look...
And then the Ukrainians will often forgive the shelling of their equipment, like they are shelling the Russian ...

[t200404]

Are there people who believe this??? Do not waste time urgently to the doctor, it will be worse if you delay it.

[BAI]

I believe my arrogant shameless eyes, and not my word of honor from the TV.
There are 10 graves of those who died in the NVO at the city cemetery. There may be more, but we count those that are in sight.
The population of the city is 100, which means 000 death per 1 population.
The population of Russia is 140 million. Divide by 10 and get 000 dead. According to the US estimate, our losses are 14.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

That's pretty much how it is. It's just that these are not all employees of the Moscow Region. These are PMCs, who often work in the most difficult areas, and the National Guard, which is often used for other purposes - is engaged in combined arms combat with army units. And the FSB officers, both special units and the border service.

[chingachguc]

The total loss of allied troops is about 12 thousand. Unfortunately. Ukrov really died 50-60 thousand. And there is an explanation for this. APU fight with meat. They saturate the front line with people, exposing them to artillery strikes. Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sit in trenches for days and die under shells. Zelensky and his patrons agree to such an exchange - life for a while. The attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are also poorly organized. So the loss ratio of 1:4, 1:5 is justified.

[Arifon]

Quote: Shark Lover

the ratio of the wounded to the dead is 1; 5, not 1; 3

Did you mean the opposite - the dead to the wounded?

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

Who came up with the idea that the wounded are 1 to 3? Wounded 1 to 7 approximately. 1 to 3 is seriously wounded ...
There are weekly reports on the DPR from the very beginning of the NWO on losses. You can see it there. In general, there is a peak of 1 to 10.

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

Taking into account the wounded, the loss of approximately 25000 people in the Armed Forces alone. This is about 20% of the original number.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces' losses are said to be higher, but they are constantly being replenished by mobilization. Our army, as I understand it, fought without reinforcements. And it turns out that our numbers are sagging, but the Wehrmacht is not only not sagging, but is also increasing its numbers.
It's bad, what else can I say.
In short, hopes that contract soldiers would disperse the conscript army with dirty towels went down the drain.